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Talks to Dylan Rees about his choice of Dragonfire (2/3) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a blunt. Pen Knife for doing.
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Quicker, quicker, quicker. Yeah.
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Welcome back to a Hamster with a blunt Pen Knife, a Doctor Who
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commentary podcast and it's me, Dylan, here once again.
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And of course, I'm joined by Joe.
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Joe, how you doing? Hello.
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Yes, I'm here. It's been second since we
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recorded our episode one Coventry, but let's pretend
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several weeks have passed. This episode has all of my
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favorite Sylvester McCoy quotes in it.
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All of them. Yes.
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OK, amazing. We'll have to point them out as
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we as we head through it. Now I realized on the last
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episode, I didn't tell you I love this for many reasons and
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what it is. But this episode is sort of
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partly or this story sort of partly responsible for my job
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that I do professionally. And and that is because when I
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got into Doctor Who, I got obsessed with the making of
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Doctor Who. And when I used to go to
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conventions as a kid, I wasn't really interested in seeing
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doctors and companions but special effects people,
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producers, writers, directors and one convention very early on
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and this is what a strange child I was.
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I bought a the conventions I used to go to called Panopticon
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and they were held in Coventry. They were the glasses big
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convention every year and real time pictures they do.
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Mythmakers released a series of videos called the Panopticon
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tapes and it was highlights from conventions.
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And then the fifth video was just a panel on the make it.
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It was an hour long panel on the making of Dragon Fire and I
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bought it from a convention for like a tenor and it's probably
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it's the year it's broadcast. So and it's got Chris Clough and
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it's got the special effects team, it's got Ian Briggs, it's
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got Sophie Aldrid, it's got Dominic Glynn.
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So it's just like all the behind the scenes people and Sophie
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Aldrid and I watched that on repeat.
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I would say from about the age of nine.
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At the age of 16, I was just obsessed with it for some
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reason. And I it's not the only thing,
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but then they're all Doctor Who related.
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But it's it's one of the it's something I directly point at as
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something being obsessed with and being like that shaped my
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life. Is there anything you gleamed
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from that tape that you now got on to use in your career?
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No, I don't think. It was.
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You surprised me, but it sort of is still like the the nuts and
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bolts of television. Yeah, I mean, there's that.
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There's the the making of Silver Nemesis again.
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Chris Glough, my hero. You know what?
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I say it every single time I go to record a podcast.
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I'll quote Gary Downey. I'll go up the stairs and go
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Let's make magic. And then what else?
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BBV in Real Time's always had making ofs on their videos, so
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all of those things contribute. And I used to watch the making
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ofs more than I'd watch the dramas.
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I'd watch them again and again and again.
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Did you have that book? Did you mention that?
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Just send the in the visitation one.
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Yes, I did. Yes.
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Yeah, sorry, I'll clearly wasn't.
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No, no, no. I didn't mention it, but I have.
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I'm always accused of not listening, you know, But that,
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you know, that was a really interesting book.
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That was basically it was mostly talking to the director, wasn't
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it? But he took you through every
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part of the production. It was a wonderful time.
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Doctor Who Magazine was doing that as well, wasn't it a day in
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the life of the producer? I know that was just to throw
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the spotlight on chains here a bit, but it's weird as well.
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As a kid, I would like from the say about the age of 10 when I
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picked up Doc 2 magazine, the first thing I was going for
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after the news was the archive section.
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It wasn't the comic strip, all the reviews.
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It was all the behind the scenes, yes.
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So, like, you know, Andrew Pixley's got a lot to answer
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for. Well, maybe you can give him a
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job one day. You know exactly.
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He can write my life story. I think that's rather wonderful,
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you know, And there's another, I'll save it until the next
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episode, but there's another Doctor Who thing that's sort of
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related to this that also had an influence, but that is another
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story. You've gotta stop enticing like
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this, you know? Honestly.
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Well, look the story that inspired your career.
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Shall we watch Episode 2, Dragon Fire?
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So do you want to count us in? In 321 let's go always.
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Usually 5 in it out, one in my now.
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I bloody love the McCoy titles and theme.
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I don't care what anybody says. If you think this is bad, you're
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a fucking idiot. This is the only theme that
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gives me nostalgic children is the one I heard as a child.
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Well, actually there's two themes.
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There's this and the theme tune to the time travelers BBV, which
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is McCoy and Aldred reprising their almost roles.
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And both of those give me the same nostalgic feeling.
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Oh, you know the other one. Whatever one that gets me Gavin
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is duh, duh, duh duh duh. What were they?
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Oh that. The early years.
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Yeah, the Year Tapes. But also, it was the Year Tapes.
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But have you ever heard the full version of that song?
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That. Duh, duh.
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It's about halfway through. Well, found it's it's on a EP
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called Variations on a Theme. Wow.
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I mean, I feel like everybody should stop listening to this
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podcast now and just go out and listen to it.
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You know what? I'm gonna.
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I'm gonna do a bit of what's it called ASMR now for everyone
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listening and every single person listening is even gonna
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have a stiffy or get moist. Are you ready?
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Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do.
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Do you remember that? Yes, that's giving.
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Me giving me revenge of the Cyberman, Seeds of death, all
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that all that jazz do. You know what that that item did
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to me? It promised me.
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Adventure's coming, you know. I know.
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It's it's a glorious, A glorious moment from the past.
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Do you know, I think it's so funny that when we catch up with
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Sylvester McCoy, after he shouts at Glitz, he has his entire
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pantom on the sequence as he's crawling all over him.
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I mean, it's about as filthiest docs we've ever got.
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They're practically 69 in at one point, aren't they?
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See, you can definitely sit and out this creature very much
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based on the Xenomorph from Aliens.
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Perhaps they shouldn't have been doing it in Doctor Who.
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I think it's a good design I. Agree it's top heavy though,
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isn't it? It is top heavy, but they built
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it to go on. They needed to model it on
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someone they didn't know who'd be playing it.
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So they built it around Paul McGinnis, who was one of the
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special effects people. And the actor they got to play
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the role was about a foot shorter than Paul McGinnis.
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And so you just end up with, you know, a badly fitting suit,
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which is just indicative of the problems they faced back then
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because they didn't know who they were casting.
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And this was a season that was made in a bit of a panic.
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Yes, they didn't have the scripts, did they?
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I mean, people complain about time in the Ronnie, but God
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bless John Nathan Turner for commissioning something just in
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case he was producing the next season.
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Wanted out, didn't he? Yeah.
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Did you hear some of the pictures he did from the other
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shows? I mean, they don't sound great,
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they. Sound awful.
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And mate, I mean they should have put him on El Dorado.
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He was custom built for that, no?
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I know. Only got offered.
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What's wrong with John Nettles? Bergerac but he got off of
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Bergerac and when the he he told the BBC.
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I'll only do it if I can fire John Nettles and move it off
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guns. No, And that was a massive
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success. And then he said in hindsight, I
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should have taken the job then he was gonna take car now with.
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Him. His tail is heartbreaking.
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Yeah, it's such a sad. Story.
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I mean that book, the way that book is structured to show him
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the hitting those highs and you sort of get to the 20th, don't
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you, the five doctors and then it's so, so.
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Yeah, OK. Now we've talked about Star Wars
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a couple of times, but I think that's a very successful model
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shot of the planet with ice on one side with a really rousing
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score. Yeah, it's it's amazing.
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The only thing I would say is the scales got to be all off.
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Those are enormous. Shards Voice.
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Oh, it's a very small planet. Planetoid Planetoid Exactly.
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Do you do you not love the music for the zombies?
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What I also like about the subtitles on this is whenever
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there's just like that tinkling noise, it just goes tinkling.
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Ohh dear Tinker, there you go. I do wonder if some of the
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pantomime nature of the story. I mean it is J&T in it.
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They love doing panto, but also I think that's kind of what
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appeals to a lot of the guest stars.
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I think that they are coming it up in this season particularly
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because it does feel very panto. I think there's an illjudged
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casting, though. I think some there are some
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illjudged performances, but I think some of it's no K Amara
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phenomenal. Pretentious is the word.
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Do you prefer Mccoy's cream coat or do you prefer his brown coat?
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Do you know, I would have said brown a while back, but I think,
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I think I've got more of a taste for the cream one.
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Yeah, interesting. I prefer the brown.
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I mean, truthfully, I prefer the TV movie.
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Get up. Yeah.
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Well, as the years have gone by and I've suddenly realized the
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color of his trousers in the TV movie, I like them a bit less.
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Timing malfunction a week on part of the year where he goes.
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Oh, you'd like the spaceship, would you?
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Yes, yes, we have, I think. He's just got that sort of
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purring minutes. Yeah, that's it.
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He's he isn't camping it up like Briars is in Paradise Towers.
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He's got a bit of that Peter Miles energy, you know, just
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someone who pulls off being maliciously evil a bit too
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easily. I think he gets the best line of
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the season as well, which is. Hurry while stocks last.
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It's great. Very true.
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Very. True.
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And I do think I did love Colin Baker and Glitz.
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I thought that was two very gaudy characters sort of having
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high jinks together. And Glitz is a bit more
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dangerous in Trial of the time though.
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These are the comedy buffoon here, but actually pairs with
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Mccoywell as well. You don't often say that to you.
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A guest character switching doctors.
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It's interesting the concept of him selling his crew as well and
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you don't really think about it too much as a kid and but you
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know here we are talking about there's an army of frozen people
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who all they can remember is their overwhelming fit, like
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anger and glitz. No problem, just sold them all
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that. He's a bastard.
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And then there's an entire massacre in the last episode as
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well. Yeah.
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You probe Season 24 stories, Yeah, And it's a lot.
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Of the Bannerman's got a genocide at the beginning.
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I often look at you and consider you incandescent artistry.
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A lot of people say that about a.
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Lot of people. No one says it about me.
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I love Ace's ladder that she carries around.
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We see it here and in Fenrich. Do we see it anywhere else but?
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It looked very small at the top and then when it went down it
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just kept going and going. It's like a Mary Poppins ladder.
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I just love the fact that's what she does.
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Ohh, they're saying from the unfolding text.
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Oh my God. Do you know what I've been
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saying? This lying to people to ban
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bills of them for years. What was it?
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I think you'll find most educated people regarded
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mythical convictions fundamentally animistic.
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See. Perfectly quotable.
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It's that great lines in this and this guy just playing it
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completely straight. I mean, I don't know who he is,
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but I mean, I wouldn't surprise me if he was a comedian or
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something like that. He just plays it perfectly.
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You remember the first time we podcast it together?
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I do. I felt like this fella.
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You've no idea how it is for me to meet such an education.
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The experience is at the root of all phenomena.
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He's got like a cockney accent. He's brilliant.
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He's a bit Alexis sail in a way, although Alexis sails more
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Liverpod Liam I think. And you sort of probe the ideas.
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There's some good ideas they're talking about there as well, but
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it's just like a throwaway gag. I also like the uniforms that
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they were. I think they're like it's a
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thought about world. I mean, I know everything's
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essentially white, but it it makes sense it all.
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The uniforms are a little bit background in the Star Wars.
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They're not like the the stormtroopers up front, but when
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you're on Cloud City in the background or something like.
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And there's a clear division as well.
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You see the upper level, the freezer center, and then you see
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them climbing down to the lower levels and and all the tunnels.
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You see the dormant trees, You know, as I as I get older.
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And I wouldn't have thought this when I was 1415, but I suddenly
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realized what a fantastic bum. Bonnie Langford's gut.
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You know, I haven't noticed, but I'll keep an eye out for it now
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you know. Is it a beautiful Peach?
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Yes, exactly. Fix has got a furry dice.
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Now that's a great touch. This is so enjoyable.
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It's a great story. It's a funny story.
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It's a dark story. It's an entertaining story.
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It's it's a hoot. This is this, so you know I just
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adore it because. McCoy doesn't come in and
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condemn her, he says. I understand, but you're never
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going to be able to pay back your debt.
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You sold your soul. You know.
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Patricia Quinn Medicine Woman's fantastic performance here as.
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Well, that's what I sold myself for.
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James Mark you feel like at any point she could burst into me a
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musical. Yeah, she's very.
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I mean, I quite like it about this season.
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You get it with the Kangs as well.
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Everybody feels a little bit performing arts, and while I can
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understand the fans at the time being a bit cringed out by it,
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at the same time I'm like, what a lot of fun.
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You get less of that in the next season.
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Yes, yeah, Spawn is so much fun this season 24, and I think
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that's what people realize when the Blu-ray came out.
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I think a lot of people have written it off and it to be
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honest, it still is at the bottom of the pole.
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Did you see the 7th Doctor pole that came out?
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Oh no, did it or. Was it all, all of it at the
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bottom? Yeah.
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But it is. It's so entertaining, yeah, But
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I get The thing is, it's not, it's not Doctor Who firing on
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all cylinders that is has a wide appeal.
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It's a knee shot of Doctor Who. It's Doctor Who for kids, I
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think, and it's Doctor Who for camp hold Doctor Who fans.
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So and I think those two audiences don't have a trouble
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with it. I think a general audience and I
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think Doctor Who fans of old had real, real problems with it.
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So I so I get it. Weird fan wisdom that did
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formulate in the 90s, didn't there?
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And was in all those sort of handbooks and being bred into
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all the new fans as well. If you go on the Ian Lavian
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Facebook group, you will see that wisdom is breaking up very
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much alive. I took one look at the beginning
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of it where it says this is for people that will agree with Ian.
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I was like, Oh no, I can't join that then a dictatorship if.
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You. Yeah, yes, yes.
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Oh, they could have had a singing a Rocky Ora song,
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couldn't they? In this, you know, what's it?
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Oh, fantasies dreaming. Was that before this?
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I think it was, yeah. I think she's cuz she's a bit of
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a stunt cast, isn't she? But I.
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Don't think it was a success yet, was it?
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It became. It was one of those ones that
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became a success as a video release.
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I think so. God bless Sylvester McCoy and
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Tony Selby trying to open that door convincingly, to say it's
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heavy when it literally just flops around a few seconds.
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Later but. It's acting, darling.
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It is acting. You know the thing I like the
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most about Doctor Who, and it's always done it and continues to
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do it. Tony Selby's actually a pretty
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unlikely action hero, isn't it? You said this about River Song,
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didn't you, when we did Impossible Astronaut?
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Yeah, they're basically the same.
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Yeah, yeah. Look at the hair.
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Yeah. No, Yeah.
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And that's always nice, isn't it?
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Yeah. Haydock was saying that about
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Martha's dad in Sound of Drums. That's interesting about when he
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goes, you know, No, get out. You know, even though he's in
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danger, the unlikely hero. Yeah, and who doesn't?
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We don't do this enough in classic in new Doctor Who.
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Someone burning through a door slowly up and around.
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I think they'd learn how to do Sparks.
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That's quite dramatic. Yeah, I wouldn't have stood that
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close. Absolutely.
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Matthew Waterhouse. Remember him in Earthshot when
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he's playing with that console, knowing that it's going to blow
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up Waterhouse? Oh my, good.
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Look at Mill throwing the Nitro and she's getting into it.
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You. Know she like, if she'd stuck
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around, she'd be, you know, she's got a lot of pens of
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progression, I imagine. I do wish those sheets of ice
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didn't below like that. It works differently to Earth
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ice, actually. There's just something about
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Classic Who though I just forgive production.
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Also, even like the newest bit of Classic who's like 30 years
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old man. So it's like it doesn't matter.
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Look at how well shot not that bit where she falls over, but
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when they go underneath the crazy and it it's shot like them
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in silhouette with her holding mills mouth and then the person
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looking down. Just put yourself in the mind of
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a 5 year old watching it. He'll be really scary.
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He's, you know, he's thinking about the camera angles.
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This isn't someone just trying to get it done like.
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And then Ace's point of view for the stairs, and then there's a
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wonderful shot from above when you see them underneath there,
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there you go. And I think already you're
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behind Ace, you know? And we already love Mel, so
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that's a properly tense moment. But this you kind of get in
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this. There was the whole thing of So
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Chris Clough put out this whole thing that was Ray gonna be the
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companion or whatever what have you, and he basically just put
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out the same casting brief for both characters and he wasn't
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sure which one was gonna stick around.
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Can you imagine it being Ray, though?
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No. I work with Ray, but she worked
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at QVC, the nation's favorite shopping cart.
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I'm not. Sure, she was lovely, but you
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know you could never go. No.
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He was ironized every week. Good job.
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It was a I mean, if you got a choose between her Welsh accents
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and Sophie Aldred's, you know, East London accent, I'm glad we
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got Sophie's in. London accent.
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I don't think she ever did East London, did she?
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Whatever part of London she's supposed.
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To get sounds very posh to me. She's a posh company.
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Are they posh companies? You live in London?
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Yeah. I don't think there's any
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companies left in London. No, it's true.
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Who lives in there then? Media pricks like me.
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You're not prick. Media prick.
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We sold ourselves. We knew what we were doing.
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We had a I love all this stuff because it just suggests the
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back story to these characters that we're already going to
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know. They weren't me doing this in
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these years. It's the Cult of Kane, you know.
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It's very subtle, but it is going look how impressionable
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you are when you're young. Oh, I love conspiracy like this.
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This is not me at work. How do you propose you do that?
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You constantly turn the freezer off at work.
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We will have to go home. Oh dear, I'll see that again.
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Now, Briggs did say, and that's Ian Briggs, not Nicholas Briggs.
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He's not here yet. That he wish he hadn't just done
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this massive back story exposition bit for race.
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Yeah, but I don't mind. It's going to happen at some
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point. Also, what I didn't mention
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about that convention panel, it was of course hosted by Sir
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Nicholas Briggs. Was a work call asking.
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All the questions. And you know, because I have
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been saying some unreasonable things about Nicholas Briggs of
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late, I will say this. He's a fantastic interviewer.
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He is absolutely he. He comes out to a personal level
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with people and he just manages to relax enough to deliver
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stories that we haven't heard before.
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He's the only person to get new stuff out.
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Tom Baker in the last 20 years, pretty much that calling one was
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great as well. Really good.
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And as your impressive library behind us, here a test Did he do
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all these myth makers? No, he stops after about.
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That number 100. But he pops back for the odd
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one. You know what it's like.
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Jesus, you're gonna do anymore. These stupid fucking narratives.
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I'm trying to do an interview. Stop beaming him off into the
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woods. They stop doing the narratives
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after about #40 and then they just become straight talking
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head interviews again. But what's the most quirky 1?
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I mean, there's the Mary Tam one where they're trapped in Alice
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in Wonderland, the Jackie Lane one where she just keeps
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appearing out of this circle. The Jackie Lane one.
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There's a huge missed opportunity, but there are also
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lots of fun ones. The Victor Pemberton One's a
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particular favorite. I think the J and T1 is great.
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That's interesting. No?
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No. Do you know why?
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It's because there is a sadness to it.
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You can tell like his career's peaked and he is sad that he's
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not really doing what he should be doing, but he does bring a
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lot of insight into stuff. He does, but I just, I mean, I'm
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still gutted that we never got that that full tell all
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interview. And that's what he promised for
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the myth makers and then didn't deliver it.
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Don't worry, Gary Downey did it for him in Doctor Magazine.
22:02
Gary Downey's full of shit. It was great.
22:07
You don't know who was shagging each other.
22:08
And Doctor Who locations. Oh, they both slipped over
22:12
there, Bonnie. Oh, OK.
22:14
All four of them slipped over in this.
22:16
It's a myth. It's a myth.
22:17
Chris Kloft's got the note. Yeah, exactly.
22:19
No one's slipping. There's no place for animosity
22:24
on a serious scientific undertaking.
22:26
Now how would you feel about a TARDIS crew that was these 40
22:30
gold? Glitz Mel. 7th Doctor Ace I
22:34
could. I could do that.
22:35
It would work, yeah. So I'm not sure how well it all
22:38
fit. Remembers the Daleks.
22:39
So yeah, you know. Now I'm hoping with Mel coming
22:42
back, that we'll finally see the Doctor Who's been off that.
22:48
Mark Donaldson upon the time that has been mooting for years,
22:51
which it's called Son of a Glitz and it stars Danny Dyer as
22:57
Glitz. Oh my God, that is perfect.
23:01
Oh yes, please. No, Danny Dyer would be amazing,
23:05
wouldn't they? Wouldn't they?
23:08
Or Dad. This is for you all.
23:11
Credit to Mark Donaldson who came up with this and I like.
23:15
Rossi Davis, if you're listening, make it so.
23:17
So have a glitz. I was just trying to think, you
23:20
know, because obviously ICE has that little romantic dalliance
23:23
with a Nazi remembrance, so we're going to give more
23:25
romance. So I guess males going to have
23:28
to have a dalliance with Gilmore, and Glitz is gonna have
23:30
to have a dalliance with Rachel Jensen.
23:32
The luck again. I mean, she's Glitz is already
23:34
have an asylum. Glitz has already taken aces
23:37
virginity according to the book at this point, hasn't it?
23:41
Oh yeah, what was that all about?
23:43
And then the New Adventures really lent into that.
23:45
They referenced it a couple of times.
23:47
Yeah, and she's supposed to be 16 in this look.
23:49
I don't think it mentions it in the target book though, does it?
23:52
Probably not the target book, but they do.
23:55
Yeah. Well, of course, yeah.
23:58
Of course, it's the mid 90s by the end, isn't it?
24:01
You know, I know horny school boys are writing the books.
24:03
The Doctor Who? Yeah.
24:04
And I thought Tony Selby was exactly the sort of person that
24:07
should take the cases. Virginia, I mean, I mean, Mel
24:10
goes off with him, but. The rules are different in
24:12
space. Maybe.
24:13
Maybe that's it. Everyone's always said why on
24:15
earth does Mel go off and glitz? Maybe ice when I am much of A
24:18
looker, but he's that fucking great shag.
24:21
She's like, oh it's been a while.
24:26
Alright, I'll do it. Look at the special effects shot
24:29
where Can kills him now It's the same thing they did in Pyramids
24:32
of Mars episode one sort of dry ice in the hands.
24:36
But it's brilliant like. I mean, it works.
24:38
It works then it'd work now as well.
24:40
The performance really sells it as well, doesn't it?
24:43
I think the statue's been improved some more, isn't it?
24:46
Looks like one of those ones from the Temple of what's it
24:49
called in Time of Angels. The Temple of Atropos.
24:54
That you know I did. I've asked that question a few
24:56
times. It was desecrated.
24:58
My monument. Sorry, I can't.
25:03
Please change the subject. Edward Pale is fantastic here.
25:08
I mean, again, you sort of look at linking themes.
25:11
He's sort of a vampire here, isn't it?
25:14
And you know, cursive Frederick is very much based on sort of
25:18
vampiric legend and Bram Stoker's.
25:22
Myth. In fact, in the novel of of
25:25
Curse of Fenrich, there is a passage written by Mr. Abraham
25:30
Stoker, who was inspired by the events of The Curse of Fenrich
25:36
to write his book. Now we've got a bit of back
25:41
story being pumped in here by, I mean.
25:44
They must have heard of televisions or video players or
25:47
something by this Quite nice. It's a bit like Princess Leia in
25:50
Star Wars. True.
25:51
Now one of the things, one of the criticisms level that This
25:54
is why imprison someone on a planet with their means to
25:58
escape. But I think isn't that worse.
26:02
But they've got to spend all 10,000 years and like, you know,
26:07
it's not exactly hard when they do take down the dragon.
26:09
No, it's all sort of down an afternoon really.
26:12
And he could have basically done the whole thing now and looked
26:14
at one star map and going, oh, I might as well not go right stock
26:19
up on fish fingers. You know you need glitz in the
26:21
doctor there to sort it all out. Look at the the pipes on the
26:24
back of that set. All of it.
26:27
He does the same thing is now I think it's probably cardboard.
26:30
It does the same thing with the candy kitchen in Happiness
26:34
Patrol, this scene where he makes Bellage think that he's
26:39
gonna let her go. You know, she's a traitor.
26:43
But at the I remember the first time I watched the bit where he
26:46
jumps on it, I really jumped out.
26:48
I say it was a great man and. The face he makes as well, yeah,
26:51
he's just utterly ruthless. It's not bears his teeth,
26:54
doesn't he? William Hartley used to, yeah.
26:56
It's again, it's sort of vampiric.
27:00
Ice vampires, but but but vampiric nonetheless.
27:04
There's a story in that, you know, ice vampires.
27:06
There you go. Pitch it now.
27:07
There she is. Oh, well, no, I did hear a
27:11
rumor, you know, that you had joined the Kynexana gang.
27:16
Is it true? Yes.
27:17
Yes, I am. Actually, I'm a big fan.
27:19
That's how you've managed to afford all these fabulous myth
27:21
makers think. But I'll stop going on about.
27:24
This I've sold myself. I find that like you did, yeah,
27:29
no, they're very good. But this is this is all
27:33
exposition here, isn't it? We did a little bit in the
27:36
middle before we. Head towards the big finale.
27:40
Do you think the three parts worked?
27:42
Yes, I think fundamentally if we look at new Who and stuff like
27:48
that, the 245 minutes work, the 325 minutes work, I think it's
27:53
something the Doctor Who should have tried a long time before
27:56
because it is, I think it's just you've got your three act
27:59
structure. I know it's not quite as simple
28:01
as that, but it just saves on a lot of padding.
28:04
I think the problem is with this era, that they often have too
28:10
much plot for those three episodes.
28:12
And you know, they they absolutely butchered those
28:14
season 26 stories, didn't they? Which is why we've had, you
28:17
know, 5 special editions of each story come.
28:19
Out. This is an extended version of
28:21
it on the DVD, isn't there? They say.
28:23
Yeah, I've seen it. Every story on the season 24 has
28:28
an extended version that's not in ah fully I I I watched some
28:32
of the others and I can't really watch that.
28:35
You know, the sort of location for two Genoa that.
28:37
Sometimes if I'm sat in here working I'll put it on for a
28:40
bit, but I've never got through it all.
28:41
I joked that when this came out and it was like 26 hours worth
28:45
of education forage, we should live stream it all for charity.
28:51
Really bored. The best.
28:52
The best thing in all of that though is when Bill already scan
28:55
7 hours I've been here. It's not all this in the movies.
28:59
Did you notice the Kate? Did you notice you've seen this
29:02
50 times? Kane had the rarest of things.
29:06
A villain talking directly to camera.
29:07
Yes, I will give you 10 points if you named to me two other
29:12
occasions. Where that's happened, Professor
29:17
Zarath, that's definitely one. And there's a 5th Doctor story.
29:24
Look, your brother was sitting here right now.
29:26
Oh, you got it. You got it.
29:30
It's there in the back of your mind.
29:31
You know, you just got to sift through, you know all the
29:33
different things. It's rack, isn't it?
29:36
At the end of SA Three laughing, a red dog does.
29:38
Davros do it in. This stole the Earth or
29:41
Journey's End. Oh God, I remember he.
29:44
No, he does have one in Resurrection of the Daleks.
29:46
You know, when they cut the 45 down to 25 and one of his rants
29:51
is a Cliff. Why Daleks?
29:52
Well back. Um, that's a Rain Man.
29:54
That's the Rams. Hold that off.
29:56
Oh, they're my office. So aren't they they?
29:58
Are so we've done two episodes. I know.
30:01
Well, we better go and watch Episode 3 then, aren't we?
30:03
And you've promised, rather enticingly, another fact in Part
30:09
3. I have, I have, and I will hit
30:11
you with it. Everyone's got two days to wait
30:13
for that, you know. I think it's worth it.
30:14
Come back and we'll be back in two days.
30:17
Slash back 30 seconds. I've only got a few seconds,
30:20
yeah.