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Gould Farm. A Model of Compassionate and Holistic Healing. From the archives. · The Trauma Therapist

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The following is republishing of an incredible episode with my friends at Gould Farms.
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Enjoy or Welcome back to the Trauma Theverst Podcast. My name is Gaming Person.
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My mission is to help trauma therapist be their incredible selves, to be
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the Trauma Therapist Project dot com. Let's get started, all guys. Welcome
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back to the Trauma Theverst Podcast. Very excited to have today my guests Lasanne
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Finston and Jane Lindsley of Good Farm, one of the sponsors here on the
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podcast. Welcome, Thank you, hi guy. All right. So,
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Luzanne Finson is the executive director. She came to Gould Farm after twenty years
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serving as executive director of an innovative anti hunger organization serving people with mental health
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and addiction challenges in New Jersey. She received her MSW from Rutgers University and
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her Masters of Divinity from Princeton Theological Seminary Seminary. Luzanne values the pioneering model
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practice at Gould Farm that plens old fashioned life enhancing work with the best in
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clinical practices to support healing and recovery. Jane Lindley is a clinical director.
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Jane has been working in the field of mental health and addictions for over thirty
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years and on the Gould Farm Clinical team since two thousand and four. She's
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been clinical director of the team then since two thousand and six. As a
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graduate of Smith School for Social Work, Jane is a licensed in Social Work
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and Addictions, with additional certifications in both trauma and women's relational area of mental
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health. All right, um, that's just a little bit about you,
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folks. Let's before we dive in here, just give our listeners a brief
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share with them where each of you are from, specifically originally, and we'll
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get going here, glad Jane, Originally, I grew up in Pennsylvania,
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just outside of Pittsburgh, Okay. And I grew up in New Jersey,
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Okay, nice East Coast. I'm East Coast as well, yea. And
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currently you're both at Good Farm right now, Okay, And share with the
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listeners. Where that is from where where you guys are right now? Specifically,
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we're in western Massachusetts, a small town called Monterey, and um we
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both live here, as does all of our staff. We all live and
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work on a seven hundred and fifty acre farm. Okay, So you know,
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as we before we started recording, I was sharing with you, you
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know, how I found you guys and and invited you to be a sponsor
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on this podcast. And like I was saying, I mean, I'm trying
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to bring on sponsors who really fit with you know, what's important to me,
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uh and what I'm trying to do with this podcast. And one of
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the things that really jumped out at what you were doing at Goold Farm.
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Uh, and Goold Farm is the first resident residential community in the nation dedicated
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to helping adults with mental health challenges. Um, was was this sense of
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kind of anti stigma. You're working with trauma. People who are there,
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are working on the farm. There seemed to be a real honoring of of
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of people and who they were and getting them involved. I just love that,
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sincerely, So I just want to put that out there. We can
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talk more about that, but talk to our listeners A little bit about what
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Gould Farm is. Sure. So Goold Farm has been around since nineteen thirteen
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and was founded out of and as part of what often is described as the
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moral Treatment movement, and and really grew out of the founder's vision and commitments
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to serving people who were on the margins of society at the time, from
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a real holistic approach bringing people to the outdoors to nature to heal within a
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context that's both beautiful and and also you know, bringing people together into a
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community of family and friends with a sense of belonging and connection to each other
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that was representative reflective of their faith backgrounds at the time. And so really
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Good Farm kind of emerged in the midst of and out of I think what
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today are we now understand to be, you know, the best practices if
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we want to call it, that of what helps all of us to feel
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well and connected and whole, and that is connection to the earth and connection
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to each other. So it's a recipe and a formula for success that has
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weathered the test of time in part because I think we're grounded and rooted in
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what really is most important in life, right right, Yeah, I mean,
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as you were saying, and it's Lizanne speaking as you were. As
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you were saying that, it sounded to me exactly what you know people share
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on this podcast are the fundamental, fundamental foundational elements for relationship and healing.
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UM. Jane, why don't you share a little bit about I guess your
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your perspective, what what what good farm is about and who specifically you folks
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work with and serve. Okay, UM, So the population that we work
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with UM is deemed people with severe serious mental health challenges and also those with
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co occurring issues. UM. And I think that that has been true right
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along UM and the the entire philosophy and the values of the farm UM,
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I would say, really haven't changed over the hundred years. I would say
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that maybe the way we articulate what we do and understand it within a clinical
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sort of gaze has changed or enhanced. But we are dominantly based on the
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principle that everyone has something to contribute. So the day that someone arrives,
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they are able to join a work team and begin to share in the work
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that keeps seven hundred and fifty acres of farm wiable and functional. So the
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you know, that sort of groundwork is the basis of where we start.
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So just to be clear, your people who are coming there are not solely
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in recovery for addiction. People who are coming okay, no, actually that
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is usually secondary and often our guests they vary in how they would articulate recovery,
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so both from a mental health challenge and an addiction. So some people
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come having a diagnosis that they completely embrace, and others might articulate the challenges
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very differently than maybe you or I would as a therapist. And most folks
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will come your guy are are coming from a place of having traditional community based
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mental health services really not connect and work well for them. And so so
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folks come to us after having tried in patient treatment, outpatient treatment, a
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range of different kinds of treatment ments UM and UM and not finding a fit
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and a consistency and a kind of UM holistic approach to treatment that enables them
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to gain the traction to be able to really move forward in their recoveries.
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So so people who come here come to us from a bit of a history
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of of UM of of challenges and struggles within traditional mental health services and UM
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and addiction and health services and then come to us for a while they're usually
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here for a minimum six to eight months, but often a couple of years
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or more UM in order to really pull together all of the threads of what
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enables a person to become more whole and move forward in UM in reintegrating successfully
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into into a community, back to their family and their their communities of origin,
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back to school or work or whatever their dream and their hope and aspiration
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might be. Yeah, that's really it's really inspiring to me, you know,
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hearing you talk about what people they come to you and immediately there they're
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you know, they joined a work team and they're put to work. I
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mean that's very different than community mental health, where Okay, come over here
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and we're gonna, you know, with all maybe the best intentions, we're
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going to do all these things to you. Oftentimes right so right away you're
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talking about bringing them in and you know, having them be a part of
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something, and you know, having them feel worth worthy in a sense that
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they're needed. And you know, I was working before I went full time
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here with this podcast and so forth, I was working in a clinic for
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five years here up in northern California, and we were assessing and treating who
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are showing early signs of psychosis, many of who, most of whom had
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been traumatized. It was very similar to how you're talking about things here.
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We did something very similar. Many of the kids, if not all,
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the people who came to us, had gone through and seen many other clinicians
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and therapists of different kinds and came to us and it was a very different
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experience, positive experience for them. So and this is one of the things
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that really stood out to me and what I found you guys, So let's
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talk a little bit if we could about let's kind of dial in and get
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a little more specific. Someone comes to you, what happens they come to
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you, walk us through what happens. Well, the journey begins with our
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admissions process, and each person who comes to us has a partnership. So
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what that means is, you know, on a very practical level, it
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means if this isn't going to work, they have someplace to return to.
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But on another level, it also speaks to a part of our philosophy,
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which is a belief that people need to have a network of support around them.
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And so we begin add admissions to work to include if a guest will
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allow it the family or whatever the partnership is to be included. They often
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have a voice that can help in form treatment and definitely will be a voice
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that's a strongly viable one when they leave, and so a person will enter
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in that manner. Then as the family leaves, we have a two week
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period where both the guests and us kind of look at the fit to make
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sure that it's something that will be of service to them. You know that
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we just quickly what are the ages that you serve? Only adults? We
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work with people eighteen and OV UM and UM. So then you know a
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person will be assigned as social worker UM and that the social worker will sort
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of accompany them throughout their journey here until they transition to either one of our
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step downs or back to home UM. And during the time that they're here,
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they'll start out on F and G, which is Forestry Grounds and Gardens
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f G and G UM and that's a sort of wide ranging team that works
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mostly around owned the main house UM and that in the first couple of weeks
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enables us to get to know people better. There's a number well, they're
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more work team leaders on that team, so they're more eyes, more more
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presence with people. Um, but they are people are expected to work at
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thirty hour week, which is usually quite an adjustment. Yeah, yeah,
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and um. Then that structure is really a part of what we're teaching,
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hopefully as a transferable skill that you know, people begin to notice like they
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do well during the work program that have trouble on weekends, which is downtime.
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So you know, there's a way in which there's sort of a natural
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education about what helps and what doesn't without us having to be proscriptive or prescriptive
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about it. Um. So they will meet with their clinician twice a week.
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Um. Also probably during that thirty hour time and then do you want
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to speak to RESI and yeah and um and so so to give you also
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an idea of the kinds of activities. The forestry and Grounds team right now
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is collecting SAPs so um, so they're out now. Buckets are overflowing because
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the SAP is running. Um and um. So they're collecting sap and they're
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up in the SAP house running it through the reverse osmosis machine and boiling it
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down into maple syrup. And people are really excited about being out in the
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woods and this beautiful weather at sixty degrees the last couple of days here in
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the Berkshire spring signs of spring are all around um and and so that workpiece
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is really important because people are immediately joining into an activity that benefits the whole
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community and they see the immediate results and they feel like they're part of something
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and they're tapping into their strengths. Hauling those buckets and stapp I can tell
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you is no easy feet and so people, you know, in morning meeting
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this morning, we're talking about special staff collection yesterday on Sunday and how people
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really enjoyed being out of the woods and together with other people and participating in
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this activity. And participating together in activities outside of work is another piece of
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what is really central to the program into life. Here at the farm,
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people spend evenings. We have three guest houses where we called by the way
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our residents guests. That dates back to the early days of the program.
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We're Agnus and Will Goulds receives people here at the farm and called them their
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guests and welcome them into a community of belonging. So evenings in the house
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our residential team are supporting guests, helping them to feel connected to each other.
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They may be sitting around and talking in evenings, or playing games,
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or working on keeping their rooms clean and supporting good hygiene and those kinds of
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things. And one of the centers of what happens here and where I think
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most of our healing really happens, is in the dining room during meal times.
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You want to say more about meals, dam Well, we have three
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meals a day together that are cooked by a kitchen team that is manned also
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by guests. On Thursday mornings people get to eat the Maples syrup. Maybe
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on Saturdays too, that's pancakes and French toes. You're speaking my language here.
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You had me at Maples zero. Yeah, now I just lost my
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train of thought. But um, you were talking about the dining room.
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Is It's interesting that Lausanne says it's the center of healing. It's also it
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can be quite a challenge. It's probably the only place where maybe the whole
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community is there. And what that also entails is a number of the staff
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have children from ages what one month, six months up to teenagers, and
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everyone is at meals often. And um, this is an old, two
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hundred year old farmhouse. Uh, the acoustics can be a challenge. It
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can be quite loud and can coughlic confidence in there, so um I often
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think of it as a bit of trial by fire. Most of our guests
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have come to us from I would say that the commonality would be isolation.
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Whether they have you know, left school, left some aspect of their lives.
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Whatever the challenges are, have left them fairly isolated. And we counter
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that probably on every term. And the dining room is a major example of
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that because we eat at fairly big tables. I mean, it's we don't
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have any place where someone really eats by themselves, right in terms of you
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know, my guess is treatment begins from the first contact. And you know
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you're talking here about people joining work groups and lugging things of SAP, you
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know, buckets of SAP, you know, all which can be therapeutic in
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it on themselves. Is a couple of questions here are the people who on
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the staff who are running or heading those work teams. Are they clinicians formal
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clinicians? Are they are they interact or acting in a clinical way in any
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sense or is it that they're just you know, doing their job and so
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forth? I'm trying to get an idea here of the different types of treatment.
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You mentioned the social workers touch based with them twice a week anyway,
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So well, we'll kind of do this in a couple of yeats. So
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um, yeah, we you know, we like to say that, um,
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you know, we don't we don't have patience at gool Farm. You
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know, we have bakers and farmers and cooks and gardeners and uh trail you
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know, maintenance folks. Um. We we have our staff are are really
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gifted and talented and experienced in all of their varying fields again, whether it's
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farming or baking, or you know, our food service manager who manages our
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kitchen and our cafe. We also have a restaurant that sort of straddles the
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program uh and bridges it into the community. Um. Uh who's an accomplished
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chef? Um. The people who are generally speaking in our work program are
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people who are really dedicated to their craft and they also have a passion for
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the work that we do here. And so um, they're really unique individuals
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in that regard because they bring that I think, really wonderful blend of skill
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and heart that uh, you know, if you want to think about the
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image of hands and heart that I think in my many years of experience in
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the field of helping professions, I've been hard pressed to find people of this
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caliber anywhere else U. So yeah, it's really quite remarkable. And Jane
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could say much more about the sort of clinical, sort of integration piece and
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how that happens. So each of the work leaders, which is the people
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that lives in speaking of, they are a number of them in each team,
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and they work as eyes and years and as part of a treatment team
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for each guest. So UM we worked pretty hard to UM implement a way
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of working as a team that as much as possible, we talk with the
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guests as opposed to about them, and to do that we use UM a
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reflective meeting process that's founded on the principles of open dialogue, which is a
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finish model that has proven to be pretty helpful with enabling a guest to understand
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our thinking and concerns as well as our appreciations and also to help them track
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their progress through here so that they understand that there the skills and the the
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strengths they come with and the skills they develop are actually things that will be
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transferable when they leave learning that structured time is important. Is you know,
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a really valuable lesson to take out of working a thirty hour a week,
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And there are many aspects to that. The open dialogue model was something that
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we were using also here in this clinic. Really cool. I'm gonna i'll
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have that linked up. I just want to remind everyone that I'm speaking with
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Lazanne Finston, executive director and Jane Lindsley, clinical director of Gold Farm.
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So let me let me ask each of you how you what brought you here?
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And I'm really curious as you talk about that and reflect about that,
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how your own personal perspective on therapy has has shifted changed. Well, you've
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been here longer than me, so I'll let you go first. Okay.
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I have been here about fifteen years and I came. It's a model that
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I had heard about while working inpatient about I don't know, an hour from
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here, and also when I yeah, So I was attracted to the model
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in part because I felt really strongly that though I worked in probably one of
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the last hospitals that had a milieu program where we all shared thoughts and feelings
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three or four times a day, and people stayed more long term. As
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insurance governed more of that, it felt more and more like I was part
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of a revolving door and the farm offered something different. And what I come
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to appreciate is that all of I mean, for probably eighteen hours a day,
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we have people interacting together. So we have perspectives on people that I
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only could have imagined. And it's not just my perspective, it's that of
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you know, the entire community if I need it, but often specifically the
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team that works with lives with interacts with this person, and it gives us
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a really, for one of a better word, holistic view of a person's
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progress and their strengths and abilities. So, uh, you know, what
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I've come to realize is I don't ever want to work UM as a solo
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member of uh you know, in treatment with someone that for me, the
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importance of a team and multiple voices is profound. Yeah, yeah, awesome,
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thank you. Yeah. Well. I came from sort of almost the
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opposites or at the end of the spectrum UM to gool Farm from Jane's experience,
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So I was working UM in a community based organization for the last for
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twenty years, working primarily with people who were homeless UM UM, many of
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whom were people who were um outside of mental health treatment and with co occurring
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substance use challenges and in addition to poverty and UM you know, really experienced
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uh, not only the brokenness of the system, but the brokenness of families
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and how illness and addiction ravaged families. You know, we would have parents
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from neighboring communities come and knock on the back door of our of our building
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looking for their loved one who they hadn't seen in months or years, hoping
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for some you know word that they were around and they were okay. So,
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you know, coming from that place, I've always sort of been interested
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in in healing and how we sort of pulled together and move beyond the kind
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of fractured systems of care and support and communities. And I also come from
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clergy background and so UM, so I kind of bring a blend of this
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sense of UM of of healing and helping and UM and and how that's connected
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to a deeper kind of spiritual reality. UM. And this idea of belonging
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is really important to me. And I think also my personal experience as a
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lesbian who has felt rather stigmatized and marginalized by the church that I, you
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know, set out to serve. Um. UM. I think that I
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had heard also about Bull Farm from a colleague of mine whose son worked here
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and um and had turned me onto the place. And so I found it
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to be a kind of a homecoming, if you will, in a sense
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um, in terms of the things that were important to me and mattered UM
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and vocationally were things that I was pursuing in life. So UM, so
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I packed up my family and here we are within her sixty years, well
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over six years, and UM, I think my teenage kids are still wondering
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what the heck I was thinking. UM. But um um yeah, so
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I think, you know, being here this time, I have to say,
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it's really challenges. It's really you know, being a part of a
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community is not is not UM is something that really UM. It taps into
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a deep place in all of us, um, both both the good and
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the bad and the ugly and um it really it taps into I think for
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me and I think for others, a place that's um reminds us that connection
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and relationship are are not are so important because um, we grow and we
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change and we become in the process of building and forging those relationships um in
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a real way that just can't happen in many other settings. So it's a
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very special place. In that reply, you know a lot of people who
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are listening to this are therapists of various kinds, advocates, coaches, teachers,
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etc. And I know that there are people out there going, oh
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my god, this sounds amazing. You know, I'd love to work there,
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but also thinking maybe about certain clients they have that might be appropriate.
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Talk a little bit about who who's a good fit for this program and how
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people go about maybe contacting you, etc. Okay, so I can start
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that dialogue. A good fit would be someone over eighteen who has a diagnosis
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or an understand well, I would say a diagnosis. Most people come to
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us having been diagnosed with a major mental health challenge, and ideally it's someone
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who is able to function in an open setting. And what that means is
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we aren't really we are big and spread out. We aren't. We have
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no locks, we are not a locked unit, and so we need people
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to be able to manage themselves to a certain degree. So we aren't a
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good spot for someone who's still in a high acuity place, but for someone
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who has stabilized in some way, we're a great place to come and enhance
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the skills that people have to manage whatever challenge it is that that has sort
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of derailed their lives. And so I'm just trying to think. We work
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with people with diagnoses from everything you know, psychotic illness, bipolar depression PTSD,
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and we you know, are a great place for people to begin to
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practice being in community, being in relationship with other people, dealing with the
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trials and tribulations of what that means, how to deal with emotions when you
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know things are disappointing and not great. So you want to add to that,
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UM, No, I think. I think you really touched on the
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points of UM, what it means to come here? I think, UM,
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I think again, just to sort of, UM, go back to
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something Jane said earlier. UM. One of the things that's really different about
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Google Farm is is that the staff UM and our core of volunteers. UM.
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We have about eight to ten full time volunteers who dedicate a year of
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time to be here as well we all live here, so so we really
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share our lives together. M from you know, babies, UM, and
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you know games of peekaboo at the dinner table, to um you know,
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to holiday celebrations and UM, you know Halloween, we all open up our
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houses and we do trick or treating and we all dress up and we have
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constitutut us. I mean we go all out. UM. And so there's
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a way in which again, UM, you know, this is a place
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where people um uh can connect with community, UM in ways that feel comfortable
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and supportive and supported. And there's no way to avoid it. So UM,
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it's really important to understand that this is a program that UM, it
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requires of folks a little something different than your your usual clinical program with lots
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of groups and um and and that kind of formalized structure. UM. Yeah,
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this is a little different. You know, as you were talking about
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the group leaders, UM, I'm also thinking about the you know, uh
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individual clinician, those those people with formal clinical training, and they've got to
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be different now. And I mean that in the best possible way. Yeah.
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Absolutely, there's alway from my own experience. So I when I got
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in when I got into school, you know, I've talked about this before.
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I knew I wanted to focus on trauma. And when I was in
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graduate school, it was all about you know what, all this education I
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felt I needed to just shove into me, and it really wasn't until I
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started working in this clinic I've mentioned where I understood what it means to connect
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and how Yes that education is important, but it's also about me being able
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to be a human being. So you're also talking about you know, it's
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not just one clinician working with one person and they're doing all the work right,
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they're responsible for this person's healing. So with that as a little bit
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of background, what type of people are you looking for as clinicians? Well,
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you picked on the right word unique, because how would I explain it.
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You know, the clinical team here has to have a really eclectic bag
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of tricks. They also have to be well versed in trauma. There's no
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one that comes here that hasn't been traumatized by the illness, let alone whatever
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may have been the things that came before the family has been traumatized as well,
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so they are working with that. They so that set up alone says
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they have to have an impeccable understanding of boundaries and then we bring them into
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a community and ask them to drop some of them because you know, unlike
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a milieu or you know, some other kind of residential setting, we live
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and work together, so there's no illusion of neutrality or of um sort of
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the blank face. In other words, we're not sharing our immediate passions and
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trials and tribulations, but we are authentic in our response. As part of
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the reason that we use reflective group reflective teams is to enable us to talk
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about our thinking process in front of a guest, so that you know that
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that that becomes a little more transparent. That asks a lot of a clinician,
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because the clinician is also, you know, first and foremost is the
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advocate for the guest, but then has to sit and sort of absorb and
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think about all the other points of view in the room, which can be
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very varied. You know, I might work with somebody who I have a
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great therapeutic relationship with, who unfortunately will not get out of bed to go
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to work. That's going to bring other voices and other perspectives into the room,
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and it's an art to be able to manage the feelings involved with that,
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but also to manage all of the different aspects and to help those impact
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a guest in a way they can forward their movement. I would also say
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guy that the clinicians here are called to a kind of mutuality and the work
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and the relationship with their colleagues as a part of a team where you know,
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at any given moment they're called upon for their expertise and mental health,
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and the next moment they may be calling on someone else's expertise, um,
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in whatever the issue might be. And um and and there's a there's a
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kind of both empowering and um, humbling nature to being a part of the
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staff here, UM where we learn how to rely on each other and hold
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each other and support each other, um in such a myriad of ways,
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UM that it can be confusing at times. UM. And and also um
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again, really I think growth inspiring UM, for lack of a better way
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to describe it. We're all constantly learning from each other and teaching one another.
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And UM. Yeah, it's it's really it's really quite remarkable. Awesome,
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awesome, this is amazing. I mean, it really is beautiful what
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you guys are doing. It really reminds me of the work that you know,
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I was working, I was doing with the clinic, working at the
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clinic. Um. Uh, it's so inspiring to hear this, it really
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is, and I mean that sincerely. I mean this is why I love
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doing this podcast. UM. What's the best way for people to get in
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contact with you? Sure? Um. The easiest ways are by either by
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website you can find all of our contact information www dot goog farm dot org,
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or by phone. Our general number is four one three five to eight
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one eight zero four. Um, and uh, there's lots of opportunities to
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learn more about what we do, become involved. Uh, come and become
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a resident here and join join the program, or join the staff, or
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or come a visit. Um, we welcome visitors. Hospitality is really at
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the core of who we are and what we do here. Awesome, awesome
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feed you well, well, I want to thank you so much for coming
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on the podcast. It was awesome. No guy, thank you, thanks
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for thanks for having a wonderful podcast that opens up these opportunities to learn from
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each other and grow and the good work that's that's so important. Thanks guys,
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take care of by now.