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WHAT DIDDY DO? Mystery Witness Ghosts Prosecution, Will They Find Her? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. What did he do?
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Speaker 2: A mystery witness ghosts the prosecution? Will they find her
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Speaker 2: before the end of the state's case? This as did
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Speaker 2: he blames the stylist. Look what y'all made me do
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Speaker 2: after an incredibly vicious beating. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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Speaker 2: Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Wait are you telling me that Shawn Comes was in
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Speaker 2: London and through a fit because he didn't have the
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Speaker 2: right kind of catchup?
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Speaker 3: Did he want request jello and apple sauce? Apparently he
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Speaker 3: put apple sauce on his cheeseburgers.
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Speaker 4: He was particular about the temperature of the room.
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Speaker 2: So I've got Shawn Combs whining that the catch up
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Speaker 2: in London is different. And now you're telling me that
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Speaker 2: he travels.
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Speaker 4: With user mar Thank yous, right Brins, you hurd me right.
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Speaker 2: Joining me at the courthouse right now. Investigative reporter Lauren
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Speaker 2: Conlin from Pop Crime TV, Lauren, thank you for being
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Speaker 2: with us. Who is Deontay Nash? Can you summarize his
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Speaker 2: testimony so far?
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Speaker 1: Sure?
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Speaker 5: So?
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Speaker 3: Deontay Nash, the celebrity stylist and Cassie's very close friend
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Speaker 3: finished his cross examination this morning, which was done by
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Speaker 3: Xavier Donaldson, and Xavier Donaldson did point something out. He
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Speaker 3: pointed out some inconsistencies in his testimony, specifically about the
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Speaker 3: eye gash that Cassie got at her apartment when Deontay
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Speaker 3: jumped on his back and Mia jumped on his back
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Speaker 3: Diddy's back to stop him from doing this. Deontay testified
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Speaker 3: that while Cassie was on the ground and she was
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Speaker 3: bleeding from her eye, did he continue to kick her
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Speaker 3: and beat her. However, Donaldson pointed out that in all
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Speaker 3: his previous meetings with the government this was never mentioned
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Speaker 3: and it was a big deal, so why did he
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Speaker 3: never mention it. Donaldson also pointed out some text messages
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Speaker 3: from Nash to Ditty saying I love you, and this
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Speaker 3: was well after twenty eighteen when he stopped working for
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Speaker 3: him as a stylist, that I love you brother. Another
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Speaker 3: text message said, you know, how do I get an
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Speaker 3: invite to your party? So you know, we're seeing a
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Speaker 3: lot of this during cross examination of many witnesses.
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Speaker 6: They continued a relationship with.
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Speaker 3: Ditty well after they stopped being employed, and they seem
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Speaker 3: to want this relationship as well. Again, Deontay Nash did
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Speaker 3: seem to elicit some laughter even from the judge this morning.
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Speaker 3: He was very sassy, you know. Donaldson would say how
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Speaker 3: are you today, sir, and he would say blessed, and
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Speaker 3: again he would kind of jump ahead in his testimony
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Speaker 3: in which the judge was like, Okay, you have to stop,
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Speaker 3: you have to stop. You can't, you can't. It's not
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Speaker 3: a free for all here. So he definitely offered a
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Speaker 3: little bit of lightness.
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Speaker 6: Amid all of the darkness that we've been hearing.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin, who is Maya.
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Speaker 2: According to her, she is the victim of a violent
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Speaker 2: sex assault by Sean Combs. Could you give me a
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Speaker 2: summary of MIA's testimony.
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Speaker 3: Mia was Ditty's former assistant and director of marketing at
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Speaker 3: Revolt TV. She was one of Cassie's closest friends, described
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Speaker 3: them as sisters and actually said they're still friends to
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Speaker 3: this day. And oh, we learned about why the jury
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Speaker 3: was asked about Mike Myers. Mia was a former personal
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Speaker 3: assistant to Mike Myers, and she described those hours being
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Speaker 3: from ten to six regularly. She said occasionally she would
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Speaker 3: get a call on the weekend from Mike Myers to
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Speaker 3: watch his dog or something like that. So when she
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Speaker 3: took the job as the personal assistant to Sean Colmes.
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Speaker 6: It was a real shell shock.
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Speaker 3: And these are my words, not hers, but she described
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Speaker 3: that her first day of work, she she didn't go
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Speaker 3: to sleep. She showed up in the morning. She was
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Speaker 3: sent to his new Jersey house to do some kind
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Speaker 3: of inventory. She got back to the Bad Boy office
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Speaker 3: around ten pm, and then she was told to go
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Speaker 3: to the studio to meet Ditty, and she describes not
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Speaker 3: going home until the next day after one pm, and
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Speaker 3: she shopped it up as being her first day kind
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Speaker 3: of being on trial. But then she described another instance
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Speaker 3: where she did not sleep for five days straight. She
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Speaker 3: described taking time released adderall to help her stay awake,
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Speaker 3: but at one point, she said, she just lost her equilibrium.
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Speaker 3: Her body kind of broke down. She ride uncontrollable tears,
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Speaker 3: and he finally sent her home to sleep.
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Speaker 6: She also discussed that Cassie was and she Mia was.
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Speaker 3: They were terrified of Ditty and punishment that they would
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Speaker 3: receive if they did not listen. She described it as
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Speaker 3: being terrifying and unpredictable. We also heard the story about
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Speaker 3: Cassie gashing her eye on the bed for the third time.
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Speaker 3: We previously heard it from Deontae Nash, Cassie Stylits and
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Speaker 3: best friend Cassie herself, and now Mia. And while each
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Speaker 3: story does change a bit, the main event is the same.
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Speaker 3: Did he threw Cassie against the bed and there was
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Speaker 3: a gash in her eye and she had to go
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Speaker 3: to a plastic surgeon. We've seen ditty b stoic at
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Speaker 3: some points with the assistance, he would nod his head.
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Speaker 6: Yes, he would laugh a little bit.
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Speaker 3: I've seen him shake his head like this no twice
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Speaker 3: when it came to Mia and her testimony, and one
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Speaker 3: of those times was when Mia mentioned a sexual assault.
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Speaker 6: I specifically watched him shake his head.
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Speaker 2: No.
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Speaker 1: What was Maya's demeanor on the stand?
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Speaker 3: MIA's demeanor on the stand, She had her head down,
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Speaker 3: she she was quiet, she spoke low, and she honestly
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Speaker 3: gives me this timid vibe. We're not supposed to go
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Speaker 3: into too much detail about Mia. We had a speech
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Speaker 3: from the judge because she is using a pseudonym, and
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Speaker 3: we were told that her testimony is no important than
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Speaker 3: any other testimony.
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Speaker 2: Lauren Colin, I believe that MIA's testimony is critical in
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Speaker 2: its own right, but possibly more important, it corroborates or
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Speaker 2: bolsters everything Cassie Ventura described.
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Speaker 1: The point is.
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Speaker 2: Ventura was not in this willingly, especially toward the end.
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Speaker 2: I mean she even threatened to jump off a balcony.
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Speaker 2: She had to go back to a freak off. And
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Speaker 2: that's how I see Mia as corroborating everything Ventura said,
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Speaker 2: which shows sex trafficking.
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Speaker 1: Lauren Colin joining us at the courthouse.
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Speaker 2: Now joining Sidney Sumner Crime Stories investigative reporter. The hiding
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Speaker 2: at the Hotel Sidney Sumner. That came from Deontaey Nash,
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Speaker 2: the stylist, where he had observed a vicious, vicious beating
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Speaker 2: of Cassie. And he actually, and I think he got
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Speaker 2: his start with Seawan Comes. I'll circle back to that Sydney,
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Speaker 2: but he tried to protect Cassie Venture. He's afraid that
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Speaker 2: Comes is going to kill her. Tell us what happened Sidney, Well.
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Speaker 7: Nancy, what we learned from Deontay Nash is that Colly's
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Speaker 7: burst into Cassie's la apartment and told her to get
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Speaker 7: out of his house. We don't know exactly what spurred
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Speaker 7: that argument, but Nash told us that Combs physically shoved
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Speaker 7: both of them out of that la apartment.
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Speaker 6: But then a few minutes.
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Speaker 7: Later, as they were driving away, Comb's called Cassie and
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Speaker 7: told them to pull over. Combs approached Cassie's window and
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Speaker 7: at that point he threatened to release her sex tapes. Responded, Hey,
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Speaker 7: that's a big threat because he's in them too, right,
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Speaker 7: so he can't use that against you. And that's when
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Speaker 7: Cassie first told Nash that no, Combs isn't in those
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Speaker 7: sex stapes, it's me and other men. So from there,
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Speaker 7: Nash was going to take Cassie back to his home,
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Speaker 7: but he gets a call from his boss who tells him, Hey,
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Speaker 7: Shaun Combs just asks for your address. I don't know why,
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Speaker 7: but I wanted to let you know. So he looks
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Speaker 7: at Cassie's tells her to get out of the car
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Speaker 7: and take a cab to the nearest hotel, so she
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Speaker 7: does that. Nash gets back to his house. Just a
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Speaker 7: few minutes later, Comb's, his chief of staff, and a
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Speaker 7: security guard show up at his house demands to know
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Speaker 7: where Cassie is. They search his home and when Nash's
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Speaker 7: phone rings, it has a caller ID from a nearby hotel,
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Speaker 7: so Combs quickly puts those pieces together and demands that
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Speaker 7: Nash go get Cassie from this hotel room. So Cassie
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Speaker 7: has stayed here before, Nash has stayed there with her.
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Speaker 7: They're familiar with the hotel staff, so Nash is able
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Speaker 7: to convince staff to let him and Comb's chief of
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Speaker 7: staff at the time, Tony Fletcher, go up to the room.
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Speaker 7: And when Cassie sees Tony Fletcher's face, he freaks out.
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Speaker 7: She's immediately terrified because she knows Cones has found her.
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Speaker 7: So Tony's like, hey, Conbes is downstairs. We need you
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Speaker 7: to come out and come meet him. He wants you
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Speaker 7: to come with him. And at that point is when
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Speaker 7: Cassie allegedly threatened to go over the balcony instead of
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Speaker 7: coming down to go see Combes.
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Speaker 2: You know, doctor Bethany Marshall joining me renown psychoanalyst.
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Speaker 1: Out of Beverly Hills.
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Speaker 2: She is the author of deal Breaker, and you can
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Speaker 2: see her now on peacock. She's at doctor Bethany Marshall
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Speaker 2: dot com. Doctor Bethany, I just don't get all the
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Speaker 2: people that are saying, oh, Cassie Ventura is in it
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Speaker 2: for the money. Oh and by the way, just a
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Speaker 2: big fyi Cassie Venturira, he had his birth while Capricorn Clark,
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Speaker 2: who worked for Sean Combs, is on the stand basically
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Speaker 2: trashing her, saying she's a no talent user and I
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Speaker 2: don't know where that came from, you know, jealous. He's
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Speaker 2: a very ugly serpent. That's a whole another can of worms,
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Speaker 2: but doctor Bethany. According to Deontae Nash, as reported by
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Speaker 2: Lauren Collin, Cassie gets his injury on her forehead from
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Speaker 2: Diddy beating her so badly she fell on a bed.
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Speaker 1: Frame and ripped her forehead open.
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Speaker 2: He also described an incident where they had to hide
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Speaker 2: at a hotel. That's what Sidney's telling us about right now.
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Speaker 2: And Combs gets ninety five mph. It reminds me when
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Speaker 2: he jumped in the car. Let's go get sugar or
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Speaker 2: let's go kill Cuddy gets in the car ninety five.
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Speaker 2: NBA's driving around trying to find Cassie. He sees a
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Speaker 2: phone call come in on somebody else's phone, figures out
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Speaker 2: it's a hotel.
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Speaker 1: And they go to the hotel somehow.
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Speaker 2: Once again, he breaks the rules and finds out which
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Speaker 2: hotel room is hers and sends his hitch people to
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Speaker 2: go get her, and she would rather jump off the
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Speaker 2: balcony than go back to comes. Yet, people like Philip
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Speaker 2: Dubay joining us tonight and says she was there willingly.
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Speaker 2: I don't get it. She'd rather jump off a balcony,
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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany, what's going.
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Speaker 8: To happen is that he is taking her to be
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Speaker 8: raped by other men. He's dragging her into the scene
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Speaker 8: of a crime. He's offering her things and he's taking
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Speaker 8: them away. She is completely under his control.
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Speaker 1: Nancy.
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Speaker 8: I've been following the witness testimony very very carefully, and
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Speaker 8: every time he stalks her, beats her, intrudes into her life,
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Speaker 8: it's because she is developing some autonomy, a very slight autonomy,
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Speaker 8: or she's enjoying somebody. Maybe she's with Nash, you know,
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Speaker 8: they're cooking dinner, or she a girlfriend spending the night
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Speaker 8: at her house. I think in this particular incident, she
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Speaker 8: was about to perform at a music festival. So every
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Speaker 8: time she just had an ounce of independent, of independence,
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Speaker 8: he would just beat her within an inch of her life.
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Speaker 8: Who wants to stay alive in a situation like that,
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Speaker 8: I think any of us would become suicidal in sex.
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Speaker 8: Nancy taking her own life was her only way out,
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Speaker 8: and we saw this with Virginia Jeffries, who recently died
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Speaker 8: that you know, life just became unbearable at some point.
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Speaker 8: It's a miracle that she's still alive.
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Speaker 1: Quite frankly, well, I'm glad you said that. Joining me now.
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Speaker 2: In addition to doctor Bethany and Sidney Sumner, Rachel Fisher
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Speaker 2: is with US anti trafficking expert. She starred in a
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two documentary Surviving Sex Trafficking. She is a
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Speaker 2: forensic nurse, she's a sex assault nurse examiner, and much more.
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Speaker 1: Rachel Fisher, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Isn't it true that many women that have been trafficked,
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Speaker 2: you know, having one sex partner, you know, thirty forty
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Speaker 2: sex partners in one day, they choose death over being
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Speaker 2: forced back into sex trafficking.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that true?
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Speaker 4: Very often?
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Speaker 9: We see that and the trauma and lethality factors that
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Speaker 9: they face from their abusers and the johns the people
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Speaker 9: are forced to have sex with that's also causing them pain.
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Speaker 9: Sometimes their only way out is death and so the
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Speaker 9: balcony seems pretty appealing. And in this case, you've got
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Speaker 9: a situation where every time she tries to leave, he
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Speaker 9: finds her. So that chase that's stalking the pimp or
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Speaker 9: her boyfriend finding her. She doesn't have a way out.
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Speaker 9: And then what we have here, we have a pattern
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Speaker 9: of activities. We see this over and over again. Then
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Speaker 9: we see that enterprise other people that are involved. She
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Speaker 9: doesn't she can't just leave because she doesn't own the door.
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Speaker 9: He does, and he has people that are there on
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Speaker 9: each side of the door, so there is nowhere else
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Speaker 9: for her to go.
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Speaker 2: Sound very curious to Robert Crispin joining me private investigator
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Speaker 2: Christmas Special Investigations, formerly with the Department of Justice.
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Speaker 1: With the DEA.
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Speaker 2: He goes on and on now at Crispin Investigations dot com.
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Speaker 1: Robert, I don't see him.
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Speaker 2: When I look at Sean Combs, I'll reared back in
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Speaker 2: that courtroom, which is a whole nother study in nonverbal communication.
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Speaker 2: He reminds me of those lions that you see, you know,
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Speaker 2: pictures of They're all reared back dozing while the lioness
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Speaker 2: has to go out and bring in all the food
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Speaker 2: and take care of the children. Who's just like kicked back,
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Speaker 2: totally relaxed, large and in charge.
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Speaker 1: That said Crispin.
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Speaker 2: In my mind, when I look at comes, I see
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Speaker 2: every pimp I ever prosecuted, evil, dangerous, violent, brutal, And
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Speaker 2: at one point, after he gave Cassie an incredibly brutal beating, goes,
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Speaker 2: look what y'all made me do? That's such bs. He's
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Speaker 2: no different than a thug, Crispin.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, you're starting to look into the life
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Speaker 10: of who did he really really was and is.
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Speaker 4: It's just it's.
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Speaker 10: Beyond and the world is starting to see who he is,
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Speaker 10: and the world is starting to see all the people.
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Speaker 4: All the henchmen that worked for him. Where were they
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Speaker 4: to protect Cassie?
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Speaker 2: And that's a whole other layer of Chris But I'm
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Speaker 2: glad you said that, because everybody would just stand around
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Speaker 2: and watch her get getting beaten and do nothing. So
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Speaker 2: it was kind of reinforced by the do nothings. So
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Speaker 2: Philip debate joining me veteran try a lawyer out of
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Speaker 2: the la jurisdiction debate, how can you keep saying that
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Speaker 2: she was in it for the money and the fame
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Speaker 2: that she wanted to be in free coughs.
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Speaker 11: I truly believe that she was setting up this fantasy
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Speaker 11: risk a lifestyle for him for whatever reason it could
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Speaker 11: have been, because she was a hopeful starlet herself. She
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Speaker 11: was a monkey sort of R and B performer, and
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Speaker 11: what better way to make a name for yourself and
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Speaker 11: break into the business than to hook up with Sean
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Speaker 11: Diddy Combs. The problem is, I'll give you that is
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Speaker 11: not a in a choir boy. I wouldn't set a
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Speaker 11: plate for him at sator time. But to be fair,
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Speaker 11: being a brute, being a batterer does not mean you're
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Speaker 11: a racketeer, and that ultimately is what the prosecution has
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Speaker 11: to prove. And I'm telling you now, Nancy.
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Speaker 4: You watch this. They're falling short.
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Speaker 11: I know you don't want to hear it, but the
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Speaker 11: truth be told, this is over filed.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear it because it's not true.
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Speaker 11: Well, of course I would defend him on these charges.
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Speaker 11: In fact, I would even do it pro bona.
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Speaker 1: Okay, fine, fine, you defend him. Okay. Back to Lauren
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Speaker 1: Collin joining us at the courthouse.
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Speaker 2: I'm a little surprised that so many because so many
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Speaker 2: people have turned their backs on Cassie Ventira, and now
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Speaker 2: we've got the missing mystery witness we know to be Gina,
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Speaker 2: who reportedly was forced to have two abortions by Shawn Comes.
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Speaker 2: That Gina has ghosted the prosecution. But this guy, Deontae Nash,
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Speaker 2: didn't Shawn Combs actually give him his start in the
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Speaker 2: fashion business.
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Speaker 3: He was an intern at Bad Boy, and he got
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Speaker 3: him to say that he wasn't exactly sober for some
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Speaker 3: of his meetings with the government.
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Speaker 6: He was high for some of them.
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Speaker 2: You know, I find that very persuasive, Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 2: because Shawn Comes gave him his start.
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Speaker 1: Yet he was willing to put his life.
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Speaker 2: On the line and try to protect Cassie Ventura while
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Speaker 2: so many other people did nothing, stood by and let
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Speaker 2: it happen.
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Speaker 8: You know, in situations like this we discover who truly
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Speaker 8: has a moral fiber. He had a moral fiber. He
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Speaker 8: cared about Cassie. He became a friend of Cassie's. All
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Speaker 8: these other people were aligned with p Diddy. We could
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Speaker 8: say maybe a few of them were frightened, but by
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Speaker 8: and large, there were so many resources in that city.
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Speaker 8: They could have called the police, They could have called
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Speaker 8: nine one one. They could have called the National Domestic
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Speaker 8: Abuse Hotline. So many resources, nobody used them to protect Castie.
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Speaker 5: You know.
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Speaker 2: Lauren Collins said something else interesting. She said that yes,
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Speaker 2: Seawan Colmmes gave him his start, but she also reported
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Speaker 2: that he confessed in some of his meetings with the
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Speaker 2: government he was high. High is a kite for some
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Speaker 2: of those meetings. Well, at least he admitted it and
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Speaker 2: didn't lie, Because Philip Dubay I love nothing more than
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Speaker 2: catching a liar on the stand.
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Speaker 1: You can be a center. Sure, go get high.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure there are people on this jury that are
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Speaker 2: not afraid of a big fat doobie, or at least
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Speaker 2: they are middle aged sons that he's sitting at home
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Speaker 2: watching TV in their basement probably high right now.
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Speaker 1: So that's not that shocking.
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Speaker 2: But if Deontay Nash had lied about it, he would
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Speaker 2: have been tarred and feather and rode out of town.
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Speaker 11: Right absolutely, well, I'm going to take him at his word.
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Speaker 11: I believe that, you know, even though he's a stylist,
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Speaker 11: he does more said here with dippity Doo and Aquinet.
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Speaker 11: I believe that he saw everything that he deified to
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Speaker 11: I genuinely mean it.
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Speaker 2: What did you just say about Dippity do In Aquinet.
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Speaker 2: I don't mocking him because you think he could be gay.
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Speaker 2: Dippity do In Aquinet, you to make poke fun in him.
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Speaker 2: He probably makes more money in a year than you
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Speaker 2: and me put together.
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Speaker 11: Debay, probably, but not anymore because the Daddy days are over.
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Speaker 11: So he's just a West Side stylist.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure he makes you think Daddy is his only client.
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Speaker 1: I doubt that. I doubt that. And I don't like
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Speaker 1: your dipity do comment. You know where you can shove
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Speaker 1: that another thing, you know.
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Speaker 2: Crispin, You in your capacity with do OJ and more
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Speaker 2: and I have put witnesses on the stand and you
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Speaker 2: you've you know, they know what their testimony is going
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Speaker 2: to be, and then they flub and you.
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Speaker 1: Go, okay, let me refresh.
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Speaker 2: Your recollection, mister Crispin, could you review States Exhibit No.
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Speaker 1: Number Three? And they go, yeah, out and what that is?
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Speaker 5: Okay?
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Speaker 1: So apparently that's what happened with Deontae Nash. So you
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Speaker 1: know that's not the end of the world.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, that wouldn't be the first time that that's
20:10
Speaker 10: happened to a government witness. And the fact that they
20:13
Speaker 10: interviewed this guy why he was high.
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Speaker 4: To me, as a former agent, that's a problem.
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Speaker 10: I would probably wait until he's not high, and that
20:21
Speaker 10: would be one of my questions.
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Speaker 4: In the beginning. Then are you under.
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Speaker 10: The influence of any drugs and narcotics or alcohol at
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Speaker 10: this point, because anything he tells me probably isn't going
20:31
Speaker 10: to be one hundred percent of truth, and I need
20:34
Speaker 10: one hundred percent of the truth if I plan on
20:36
Speaker 10: moving forward to take something to a.
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Speaker 4: Grand jurate.
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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, we are just learning that
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Speaker 2: the president has granted two serious pardons. Is Sean Combs
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Speaker 2: in line for a presidential pardon?
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Speaker 12: Listen, many believe Sean Combs rushing the legal process on
21:11
Speaker 12: the belief there may be a presidential pardon waiting for him.
21:14
Speaker 12: Say his allies CosIng up to presidential staffers since Trump's
21:17
Speaker 12: reelection comes relatable to Trump as they've been friendly over
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Speaker 12: the years, and both insisted sexual assault allegations are false.
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Speaker 12: But given the seriousness of the charges, a pardon or
21:27
Speaker 12: commutation for Combs would be a pr nightmare for the president. Okay,
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Speaker 12: PR nightmare? Does Trump care about that?
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Speaker 3: This?
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Speaker 2: On the heels of the Chrisly pardons of the mister
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Speaker 2: and missus Chrisly Sidney Sumner. How much were the Chrislies
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Speaker 2: convicted of defrauding? How many millions of dollars did they
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Speaker 2: rip off?
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Speaker 5: Thirty million, Nancy. That's a big.
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Speaker 2: Number, okay, thirty million dollars. And here's my concern as
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Speaker 2: it relates to Sean Combs. We now know that in
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Speaker 2: the last hours a presidential pardon goes out.
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Speaker 1: To nb A young Boy and Larry Hoover. Who are they?
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Speaker 2: NBA Young Boy was in a federal pen for illegal
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Speaker 2: firearm possessioned and according to his lawyer, a renowned criminal
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Speaker 2: defense attorney that I've sparred with in the past, Drew Finling,
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Speaker 2: states that his client, NBA Young Boy was pardoned without
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Speaker 2: even asking. He did not even submit a formal request.
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Speaker 1: Oh okay.
22:44
Speaker 2: But more concerning in addition to NBA Young Boy would
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Speaker 2: be Larry Hoover. I hope that doesn't ring a bell
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Speaker 2: to many people, but he is the founder of the
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Speaker 2: Chicago's Gangster Disciples, serving six life sentences to murder and conspiracy.
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Speaker 2: His case got attention. Here's the connection. After a twenty
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Speaker 2: two benefit concert by Kanye West and Drake see.
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Speaker 1: Where I'm going with this.
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Speaker 2: So Hoover, the founder of the Chicago Gangster Disciples gang,
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Speaker 2: a notoriously violent gang, was a subject of a benefit
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Speaker 2: that was performed by Drake and Kanye West, who's a
23:35
Speaker 2: complete idiot West is anyway. So now we've got the
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Speaker 2: rap and hip hop world involved in Larry Hoover.
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Speaker 1: So okay, Sidney Sumner.
23:49
Speaker 2: Now two more controversial pardons, and the word is that
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Speaker 2: Sean comes is basically, hey, can we skip the trial
23:58
Speaker 2: part and get onto the pardon.
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Speaker 7: Many people believe that that's what Sean Combs is thinking
24:03
Speaker 7: throughout this entire trial, why he pushed for a speedy trial.
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Speaker 5: But I don't.
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Speaker 7: Think Trump could do this with the seriousness of these
24:14
Speaker 7: charges and not be mowed down by angry mobs deservedly.
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Speaker 2: So now here's the thing when you say, in a
24:26
Speaker 2: crime of this serious nature, here's my concern. And you know,
24:29
Speaker 2: I hate politics. I don't get into politics because they
24:32
Speaker 2: make me nauseous. But Robert Crispin, the founder of the
24:37
Speaker 2: Chicago Disciples gangster Disciples gang, linked to murder and conspiracy charges.
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Speaker 1: That's serious. How much more serious can charge be? Other
24:51
Speaker 1: than murder. And I'm not.
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Speaker 2: Asking you to wade into a political morass. I'm talking
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Speaker 2: about the possibility based on on a track record. You've
25:02
Speaker 2: got the Chrislies, who it's a done deal. They were
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Speaker 2: convicted of thirty million dollars defrauding. Now you've got inby
25:13
Speaker 2: a young boy, and now you've got Larry Hoover. I'm
25:19
Speaker 2: very concerned after all this, could there be a presidential
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Speaker 2: pardon of Combs if there's ever a conviction.
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Speaker 10: Well, I will tell you, Nancy that I think, like
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Speaker 10: everybody else, I'm shocked about Hoover's pardon the other two rappers.
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Speaker 4: Kind of the timing is a little suspect.
25:41
Speaker 10: The fact that Diddy Combs's entourage has been cozying up
25:46
Speaker 10: to that particular political party is a concern from a
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Speaker 10: government guy because the government.
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Speaker 1: He just said something really important because Sidney Sumner.
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Speaker 2: As it relates back to the Chrisly pardons, isn't it
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Speaker 2: true the daughter Savannah Chrisley insinuated herself at mar a
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Speaker 2: Lago and other fundraising events and that's how she got
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Speaker 2: to the Trump people to get the pardon for her
26:17
Speaker 2: mom and dad.
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Speaker 13: Yes, that is correct, and we know that allies, so
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Speaker 13: called allies of Diddy are apparently cozying up to Trump's staff,
26:27
Speaker 13: but reports.
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Speaker 7: Her saying that it hasn't made it to Trump's ears
26:32
Speaker 7: and they're not sure it ever will.
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Speaker 2: Okay, guys off politics and a potential pardon, and I
26:38
Speaker 2: want to get to a missing witness, a witness that
26:43
Speaker 2: has apparently ghosted the state.
26:45
Speaker 1: She's in the indictment. We know about her.
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Speaker 2: It's Gina reportedly subjected to two forced abortions.
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Speaker 1: By Sean Combs.
26:56
Speaker 2: Now that takes a lot of backbone to stand up
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Speaker 2: Feds and not show up pursue it to a subpoena.
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Speaker 2: If she did get a subpoena, who is Gina Sydney Summer.
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Speaker 1: Who is she?
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Speaker 7: Gina is another girlfriend of Diddy, and she was dating
27:14
Speaker 7: the Mogul the Rapper at the same time as Cassie
27:18
Speaker 7: from twenty fourteen to roughly twenty nineteen, so that's for
27:22
Speaker 7: a five year relationship. It was fairly serious. But the
27:26
Speaker 7: whole time she was completely aware that Holmes was also
27:30
Speaker 7: dating Cathy, and he reminded Gina of that over and over.
27:35
Speaker 7: She says he constantly belittled her and used Kafie against her,
27:40
Speaker 7: but she really fell for him, and she described falling
27:44
Speaker 7: for him because he told her he loved her. It
27:49
Speaker 7: was kind of a love bombing, like they had only
27:51
Speaker 7: known each other for a few months, and Combs came
27:55
Speaker 7: on really strong, so she felt they had a real connection.
28:00
Speaker 7: Like Kathy, she stayed despite years of abuse.
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Speaker 2: We are live at the courthouse Sean Combs aka Diddy
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Speaker 2: aka Puff Puffy Puff Daddy Love and meeting many more
28:11
Speaker 2: monikers on trial in a multi count federal indictment. At
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Speaker 2: this hour, a missing Ditty witness mysteriously vanishes days before
28:21
Speaker 2: the trial, and her allegations are some of the most disturbing.
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Speaker 1: Yet.
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Speaker 2: Victim number three, as laid out in the indictment, is
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Speaker 2: reportedly Gina Wynn.
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Speaker 1: And why has she disappeared? I think I know.
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Speaker 14: Listen, he like stumped on my stomach, like really hardened.
28:46
Speaker 14: I took the wind out of my breath. I couldn't
28:48
Speaker 14: even I couldn't breathe, and he kept but he kept
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Speaker 14: hitting me.
28:51
Speaker 2: That from Unwined with Tasha Kay joining me an all
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Speaker 2: star panel, Sidney Sumner, you believe that victim number three,
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Speaker 2: reportedly Gina Howen, will never testify.
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Speaker 5: Why you disappeared. Nancy, we haven't heard from her since
29:12
Speaker 5: before trial. And this seems very very odd because prosecutors
29:18
Speaker 5: did secure an alias for Gina to testify under a pseudonym.
29:23
Speaker 5: She was not supposed to give up her actual identity
29:27
Speaker 5: on the stand. But just a few days before trial
29:30
Speaker 5: they came back and said, no, Victim three wants to
29:33
Speaker 5: testify under her name, of course not revealing her name
29:37
Speaker 5: at that time, but they changed their mind and said
29:39
Speaker 5: we don't need this alias anymore. And then as we
29:42
Speaker 5: went to trial, we suddenly couldn't find Victim three anymore.
29:47
Speaker 5: So it's a very odd progression of events from wanting
29:50
Speaker 5: to come out, wanting to tell her story, wanting to
29:53
Speaker 5: own her own identity on the stand, and then.
29:56
Speaker 2: Vanishing crime stories with Nancy Grace too, Rachel Fisher joining
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Speaker 2: me anti trafficking expert. I had the same thing happen
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Speaker 2: in a child sex trafficking case.
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Speaker 1: The victim went missing.
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Speaker 2: The trial had already started, Okay, the trial had already started.
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Speaker 2: The next morning was the vic We'd done opening statements
30:25
Speaker 2: and the victim disappeared. So I shuffled the witnesses and
30:31
Speaker 2: started with other witnesses and that night my investigator and
30:35
Speaker 2: I were out till five o'clock in the morning and we.
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Speaker 1: Found the girl and she came in.
30:41
Speaker 2: And testified, and she was petrified, but she testified, and
30:45
Speaker 2: there was a conviction that purpse got twenty to life
30:48
Speaker 2: behind bars. So this is not uncommon and I find
30:52
Speaker 2: it really interesting. I'll circle back to Bethy Marshall on
30:54
Speaker 2: this that she was very bold at the get go,
30:58
Speaker 2: saying I don't need a pseudonym, I don't need a
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Speaker 2: Jane Doe. I'm going to testify under my own name,
31:03
Speaker 2: and then she does a runner.
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Speaker 9: It's very common for cases like this, especially with trafficking.
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Speaker 9: We don't see a lot of these cases going up
31:12
Speaker 9: because they're afraid to testify it in front of their abuser,
31:15
Speaker 9: in front of their trafficker. And in a case like this,
31:18
Speaker 9: it's even more so that fear of retaliation, the fear
31:21
Speaker 9: of not being believed. But in a situation where there's
31:23
Speaker 9: more than one person, even if the defendant that they're
31:26
Speaker 9: looking at while being on the stand goes away, they
31:29
Speaker 9: have a whole enterprise behind them. They have security guards,
31:31
Speaker 9: they have their goons on the outside that will find them,
31:34
Speaker 9: and that is a real thing. Especially when you experienced
31:36
Speaker 9: it and you hear others talking about it.
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Speaker 2: And we've seen that Rachel Fisher unfold in this case,
31:42
Speaker 2: doctor Bethany Marshall, over and over again, we hear about
31:46
Speaker 2: a bodyguard, a hinch person working for Seawan Combs going
31:50
Speaker 2: and physically dragging Cassie Ventura back, and what the state's
31:54
Speaker 2: doing now, And they did it with Deontay Nash, They've
31:57
Speaker 2: done it with Capricorn Clark, who seemingly has some beef
32:01
Speaker 2: against Cassie Ventira whatever, because when Cassie's in the hospital
32:05
Speaker 2: giving birth, Kepricorn Clark's on the stand trashing her talent.
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Speaker 1: That said, it happens over and over and over.
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Speaker 2: The alleged victim gets dragged back. That's just what Rachel
32:17
Speaker 2: Fisher was saying.
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Speaker 1: But at the.
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Speaker 2: Beginning, the ghosting witness, Gina Hoen was very brave. She
32:26
Speaker 2: was full of bravado that she didn't need a moniker,
32:29
Speaker 2: she didn't need to be a Jane Doe. And then
32:30
Speaker 2: suddenly now she's gone, Nancy.
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Speaker 8: Something happened. We don't know now what it is, but
32:35
Speaker 8: some threat has to have been made against her because
32:39
Speaker 8: she wanted to be on the stand she wanted to
32:40
Speaker 8: be like a Cassie Ventura. She was willing to face
32:44
Speaker 8: down her abuser. But the question is if P Diddy
32:48
Speaker 8: was willing to call Cassie Ventura's parents and threatened to
32:52
Speaker 8: release sex tapes if they did not mortgage their house
32:55
Speaker 8: or get a lean or a loan for twenty thousand dollars.
32:59
Speaker 8: What are Sean Combs I guess the criminals who act
33:05
Speaker 8: in concert with him, what kind of threats are they
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Speaker 8: making against witness number three. I'm sure it is terrifying
33:13
Speaker 8: and that she fears for her life she goes on
33:17
Speaker 8: that stand.
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Speaker 2: Well, obviously she's going to corroborate everything that Cassie Ventura
33:21
Speaker 2: has testified to, and that's what the state needs to
33:23
Speaker 2: do now in case there are still people like Philip
33:25
Speaker 2: Dubay claiming she was in it for the money and
33:27
Speaker 2: the fame. Let's hear more of what Sean Comes' defense
33:31
Speaker 2: team is so afraid of.
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Speaker 14: He grabbed my hair from the bag and was like
33:37
Speaker 14: punching the back of my head because he was just
33:41
Speaker 14: avoiding my face when he was kidding me.
33:43
Speaker 2: Again that from Unwined with Tasha Kay, same thing, same
33:49
Speaker 2: exact scenario, grabbing her by her hair, pulling her around.
33:55
Speaker 2: We heard the same thing from Cassie Ventura. We heard
33:57
Speaker 2: the same thing from the sex worker who came amen.
34:01
Speaker 2: And when Cassie Ventura was complaining or wouldn't do what
34:06
Speaker 2: Shawn Comb said during a free cough, he grabbed her
34:09
Speaker 2: by her hair, pulled her to another room. The sex
34:11
Speaker 2: worker could hear him beating her, and the beating was
34:15
Speaker 2: so bad she ran back and jumped in the lap
34:18
Speaker 2: of the sex worker. So we see a common theme.
34:22
Speaker 2: Same thing you're hearing Gina when say why won't she testify?
34:28
Speaker 2: And a forced abortion. We heard rumors of a forced
34:34
Speaker 2: surgical procedure early on.
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Speaker 1: Is this that.
34:39
Speaker 2: Procedure, Sidney Sumner, not one but two alleged abortions forced
34:44
Speaker 2: on Gina? We think is mystery witness victim number three?
34:48
Speaker 2: What can you tell me about the forced abortions?
34:50
Speaker 7: Well, Nancy Gina, in this twenty nineteen interview, said she
34:55
Speaker 7: first got pregnant by Sean Combs about nine months after
34:59
Speaker 7: meeting him, so early into their relationship. And that's what
35:03
Speaker 7: you just heard her describing is well, I don't know
35:07
Speaker 7: that I want.
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Speaker 5: To get rid of this child. I love you, I
35:10
Speaker 5: know it's early, but maybe we should keep it. And
35:13
Speaker 5: Sean Combs was insistent that she have an abortion and
35:17
Speaker 5: offered her fifty grand to do so. So Gina explains
35:21
Speaker 5: that she turned down the money because she didn't want
35:25
Speaker 5: him to think that that's what she was after Combs
35:28
Speaker 5: went to burning Man while she had this abortion, So
35:33
Speaker 5: she's doing something she doesn't want to do in the
35:35
Speaker 5: first place. This is an extremely personal, hard choice for
35:39
Speaker 5: many women. She's upset, she's emotionally fragile, and she can't
35:44
Speaker 5: even reach Combs for two weeks while he's out in
35:47
Speaker 5: the Las Vegas desert with Taffy, while she's sitting in
35:51
Speaker 5: bed recovering from this medical procedure emotionally harmed.
35:55
Speaker 2: We are live at the Federal Courthouse bringing you the
35:57
Speaker 2: latest in the prosecution of Sean Comb's aka Diddy. We
36:03
Speaker 2: are learning about a missing witness, a mystery witness, victim
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Speaker 2: number three, who has absolutely goes.
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Speaker 1: To the state.
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Speaker 2: Is there any chance of bringing her in from the
36:14
Speaker 2: cold and getting her up on that witness stand. In
36:17
Speaker 2: the last hour's pseudonym Mia was on the stand describing
36:23
Speaker 2: brutality attacks. All of this goes to proving coercion proving
36:33
Speaker 2: women were forced to take part in free coughs and
36:37
Speaker 2: that Shawn Cons's employees were used as minions to further
36:44
Speaker 2: criminal activity, which is reco I see why Shawn Combs
36:52
Speaker 2: doesn't want Gina on the stand because, like Mia pseudonym,
37:00
Speaker 2: it corroborates everything. Cassie Ventura said, that's what the state's
37:03
Speaker 2: doing with all of these witnesses. Philip dubay that on
37:07
Speaker 2: trial lawyer out of la is there a way with
37:11
Speaker 2: subpoena to actually force the witness to take the stand.
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Speaker 4: Of course there is.
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Speaker 11: I tell people all the time that a subpoena is
37:19
Speaker 11: not a PSA. It's not a save the date, it's
37:22
Speaker 11: not an invitation, it's not a flyer to a block party.
37:25
Speaker 11: It is compulsory process through which you must appear in court. Now,
37:31
Speaker 11: whether or not you refuse to testify as another question,
37:34
Speaker 11: and to be quite candid, I'm not sure if she's
37:37
Speaker 11: afraid to come to court because she's afraid that she
37:40
Speaker 11: might incriminate herself and absent a full grant of use
37:43
Speaker 11: in transactional immunity, she does not want to be added
37:46
Speaker 11: as a co conspirator or maybe added as an unindicted
37:50
Speaker 11: co conspirator. That's the last thing that.
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Speaker 1: She moved on.
37:54
Speaker 2: We've already seen two witnesses so far be given immunity
37:59
Speaker 2: by the judge in order to testify. One went and
38:04
Speaker 2: obtain illegal drugs for Shawn Combs. Another did similar activity
38:10
Speaker 2: for Shawn Combs. Both of them got immunity. So this
38:14
Speaker 2: woman could have immunity. And yes, I'm not happy I
38:18
Speaker 2: had to do it, but I've had to have a
38:19
Speaker 2: witness arrested and brought to the courtroom.
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Speaker 1: Did I like it?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 1: I didn't like it that I have to do it
38:27
Speaker 1: to prove my case. Yes I did.
38:29
Speaker 2: And once you get on the stand, unless you are
38:33
Speaker 2: going to claim Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination, you've
38:39
Speaker 2: got to testify.
38:41
Speaker 1: If you don't testify.
38:42
Speaker 2: When you're on the stand, you can be held in
38:45
Speaker 2: contempt and put in jail for up to thirty days
38:48
Speaker 2: in the state system. So if the witness, as you
38:51
Speaker 2: accurately stated the law debate, if the witness is afraid
38:55
Speaker 2: they're going to incriminate themselves, the judge can immediately.
38:58
Speaker 1: Give them immunity.
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Speaker 2: Right then they have no reason legally not to testify,
39:05
Speaker 2: and they can be forced to testify isn't that true?
39:08
Speaker 5: Yes?
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Speaker 11: Absolutely. I mean once you are given a full grant
39:11
Speaker 11: of immunity, either through prosecutors or through the court judicially,
39:15
Speaker 11: then you've got to take the stand. Otherwise you can
39:18
Speaker 11: be jailed for contempt.
39:19
Speaker 4: Now, there is a.
39:20
Speaker 11: Split of authority in state and federal court that even
39:23
Speaker 11: if you show up but you refuse to testify in
39:26
Speaker 11: a domestic violence case, the court cannot jail you for
39:30
Speaker 11: refusing to testify on the theory that they don't want
39:33
Speaker 11: the witness or the victim to have to relive the trauma.
39:36
Speaker 11: So the fact that they have appeared and not haulted
39:39
Speaker 11: on the subpoena will save them. But whether or not
39:42
Speaker 11: they can be forced.
39:42
Speaker 2: To you, I hear you about domestic violence, but I
39:45
Speaker 2: want to get to can't Maya be forced in?
39:49
Speaker 1: If she's given immunity, can she be forced to testify?
39:52
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is a pattern to Robert Crispin.
39:58
Speaker 2: We see things print cards critical to showing who conducted
40:03
Speaker 2: the firebomb on key Cutty's card. We see the fingerprint
40:07
Speaker 2: cards disappear from within the LAPD. We see a bribery
40:14
Speaker 2: attempt at the Intercontinental about the Cassie beatdown. Kim has
40:19
Speaker 2: tried to pay off a security guard, right, and now
40:22
Speaker 2: mysteriously a witness disappears.
40:26
Speaker 1: Are you seeing a pattern?
40:28
Speaker 4: I'm seeing a huge pattern. And this is one witness
40:31
Speaker 4: that the defense and did he do not want on
40:34
Speaker 4: the stand? And why is that?
40:36
Speaker 10: Because through all these other victims that have come forward,
40:41
Speaker 10: they were pregnant, they didn't get kicked in the stomach.
40:44
Speaker 10: We're adding the element now of a child, of a baby.
40:48
Speaker 4: In a womb.
40:49
Speaker 10: None of that happened with anybody else that's been here.
40:52
Speaker 10: This is now the element that they don't want to
40:53
Speaker 10: get to the jury. And let's step back a little farther.
40:57
Speaker 10: We're not talking about calling the cops and getting the
40:58
Speaker 10: stuff done. How about he kicked her in the stomach?
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Speaker 4: What happened? Did he kill that child when he did that?
41:04
Speaker 4: How hard was that? Did she go to the hospital?
41:07
Speaker 4: Did she have to have the abortion?
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Speaker 10: Because we had a heartbeat at the doctor's office ten
41:11
Speaker 10: days before that. He kicks her in the stomach and
41:14
Speaker 10: now we go a day later, two days later and
41:16
Speaker 10: the kid's dead. Is that really why she had the abortion?
41:19
Speaker 10: Because even in her own yeah, I interview, when she
41:24
Speaker 10: was on that show. She says, you know, I.
41:27
Speaker 4: Don't know what I want to do. Yet she didn't
41:31
Speaker 4: make that decision to get rid of that kid yet
41:33
Speaker 4: that element. They don't want that to the jury.
41:35
Speaker 2: In the last hours, Mia Pseudonym on the stand. Her
41:39
Speaker 2: passport has been shown to the jury, so they know
41:42
Speaker 2: her identity.
41:43
Speaker 1: The rest of the world does not. That's how serious
41:46
Speaker 1: this is.
41:47
Speaker 2: Makes you understand why Gina Howinn may not want to appear.
41:53
Speaker 2: Describing a sex assault by Sean Combs, we stopped to
42:01
Speaker 2: remember an American hero, Deputy Gospabel Caleb Rule Fort Bend
42:05
Speaker 2: Constable's office, passed away in the line of duty. Leaves
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Speaker 2: behind wife Eden and their four children. American hero Deputy
42:15
Speaker 2: Gospbel Caleb Rule Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend.