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Drake "Drake Maye" Maye is the MVP! | #094 · The CTB Show

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Welcome back to another edition of the CTB Show.
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We are back after another little mini break, but 11 weeks in the books since we've last spoken.
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A lot has gone on in the NFL world.
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We're going to break it all down for you today.
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Thomas Barnick and Christian Catanacchi as always.
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Cat, what's going on man?
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I'm going great, Pac.
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Yeah, it's been a, it's been a while.
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You know, we had a little hiatus here, but things got in the way, you know.
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You were at the CFL Gray cup last week watching Rough Riders.
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Yeah.
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Shout out to the Saskatchewan Rough Riders for capturing Canada's, Canada's biggest honor in football, the Great Cup.
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I was in Winnipeg.
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The weather was nice considering Winnipeg.
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If any of our listeners south of the Canadian border know what Winnipeg is, they'll know it's very cold there.
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But no, it was great.
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It was a great week.
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Got all caught up on my NFL football.
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It worked out perfectly because my Dolphins played in Spain.
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So I was able to wake up, watch that game, then go to the stadium for the great Cup.
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It was what, two hours behind?
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Only one hour.
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Only one hour.
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Okay, so it started at 8:30 in the morning.
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8:30.
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Oh, it's not bad at all.
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One of the, I'm sure the neutrals, I guess I was reading on social media what everyone was saying about that game.
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They said worst game of the entire NFL season.
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I actually thought it was pretty interesting.
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Like it was so bad for three.
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Quarters and then it kind of got interesting at the end.
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Yeah, there's a lot of head scratching decisions, stuffs on the one yard line from both teams.
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You get a little bit of overtime.
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I'm sure if you were from Spain and you saw that you'd be like, man, I'm going to get more into this NFL thing.
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So great to see the NFL going.
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Well, they're used to seeing zero, zero sometimes.
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So any, any points are good.
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That's what, that's what people don't understand what these European games is like.
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I mean, I find myself saying the same thing too.
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It's like these, every single game that it seems to be played overseas, like always, like is boring or they send bad teams.
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Yeah, yeah, that too.
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But if you look at it from like a bird's eye view, it's like these guys are watching a new sport and the sport that they love.
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That's incredible in its own right.
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Also, majority of the time, not majority of the times, but let's say call it 30 of the time, it's either ending 1 nothing or 00.
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Like so, like there's not.
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Doesn't say there's not much action in it, but the scoreboard doesn't always reflect it.
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Right.
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So that's why it's, it's like they're, they're fine with watching games play out the way that they seem to play out when they play overseas.
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But no, I mean, Manitoba, you think Manitoba would ever be able to get an NFL team puck?
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There's a lot of passion there for the Blue Bombers.
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Prince Auto Stadium.
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It's, it's a really nice stadium.
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What's the capacity there?
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It's got to be at least like 40,000.
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Just the.
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I know.
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It looks built.
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It's, it's big.
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Yeah, it's, it's, it's definitely got to be up there.
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It's not like these mega stadiums that.
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Well, obviously the money is not there.
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We're talking about the international play on this week.
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Like there were 80, 000 people that watched Commanders and, and Dolphins.
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Which, where was, where was that one?
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At the Bernabeu?
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Oh, no way.
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I didn't even know.
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Yeah, crazy.
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And they renovated that recently too.
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The NFL is going to keep pushing these international games.
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They're fun to watch.
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Gives us a whole entire day of football, really, from 9:30 in the morning to 11:00 clock at night.
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So it's good.
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The NFL season's been rolling along.
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Made the power rankings this week, actually earlier today for week, I guess, week 12.
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And I was looking at things and I'm just like, man, who is going to win the super bowl this year and the team that ends up winning the Super Bowl.
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Are we going to view this year as like not a one off?
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But are we not going to respect this championship as much as maybe we do in recent years?
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Is this really a legacy year for the team that wins or is it going to be a championship run that ultimately gets forgotten when we look back at a five year spell or a decade and I was starting
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to think like last year when the Eagles won the super bowl in February, I think we all walked away being like, that is such a good team.
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That's one of the best teams in recent memory to win the Super Bowl.
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They were so dominant.
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Offense, defense, hard to find a hole in this team.
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Good mix of young upcoming stars that aren't even being paid yet to these aging veterans who've been doing it for so long.
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And I'm just looking at the top teams this year and it's just like who is going to win this thing and when they do, how are we going to feel about them?
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I don't know.
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Like what's been your kind of sense on recent weeks, some of the best teams in the NFL and the style of football that they've been playing.
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I'll put it this way, and I know this is on the topic of conversation, so I don't want to jump right into it, but I might with, with this topic or this, this take that I'm about to say,
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I mean I watched the Denver Broncos and I see they're nine and two, which on paper is a phenomenal record.
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Like we're talking top of the NFL 9 and 2.
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I think it's the best record in the league.
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I think, yeah, them along with the.
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Patriots, 9 and 2.
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But when I watch Denver play, I'm like, how Is this a 9 and 2 team?
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I can't be the only person to say that I know Denver Broncos fans are going to come out and, and hassle me for that.
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Because look, at the end of the day, you just remember the number on the win columns.
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Like I can't tell you other than this past week.
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I can't tell you the previous weeks how the Broncos won, what they and all that.
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Right.
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Because you just ultimately forget about it.
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Like I know now talking about it, I know they, they strung one out against the Giants and barely beat Titans and week one really beat the Titans.
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So like, yeah, of course the ways that they win are questionable.
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Obviously you have to win because at the end of the day that's all that matters is your record in the win column.
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But it feels like one of those years now where you see these top teams and, and not to throw the Patriots in there because I think the Patriots are very legit.
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It just feels like there's something missing and whether that's going to be a team that emerges now.
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That's mid November.
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And I like to always use American Thanksgiving as like a standpoint.
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Like, okay, after American Thanksgiving, you really know who the true contenders are.
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And then the kind of pretenders are.
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I think before that, it's a little bit too early to judge.
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Not to say the Broncos are a pretender.
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I just think it's that.
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I think the Denver Broncos being 9 and 2 is like a perfect example of how this NFL season has gone.
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It just feels weird, does it not?
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It's almost like, I think back to when the Rams won the Super Bowl.
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What's that, four years ago now?
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Three years ago, Something like that.
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Against the Bengals.
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Yeah.
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And there was a time where the Alves had a lot of hype.
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And then there was also a time in the season where they lost three games in a row.
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And one of those was prime time.
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I think it was against the Titans.
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They were absolutely blown out.
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And we were just like, Matthew Stafford was throwing a ton of picks.
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And the general takeaway was the Rams are toast.
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They're like, this team's not winning anything.
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All they were preseason hype.
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They kind of fumbled their way into the playoffs.
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And then all it took was getting hot at the right time.
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Matthew Stafford, Cooper cup clicking.
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And they went on to win the Super Bowl.
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That's why this year there's all these teams that right now they're at the top of the standings.
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The Colts are this great story.
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The Patriots are this great story.
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The Broncos 9 and 2.
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The Bears are 8 and 3.
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And it almost feels like, I don't know, are we really going to, when all the cards are down, pick one of these teams to go and win the Super Bowl?
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Or is it going to be one of those years where, hey, we really haven't spent a lot of time talking about the Buffalo Bills as this slam dunk team because they've had their issues, because they've lost to Miami.
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They're benching Keon Coleman.
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Josh Allen's been maybe turning over the ball at a larger rate than he has the last two seasons.
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Is this the year that they just go on and win the super bowl, get hot at the right time?
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Maybe they don't win the division, but doesn't matter come playoff time.
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That's the way my head is sort of starting to trend and the direction that I'm going.
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But like you said, we aren't even at American Thanksgiving yet.
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And.
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And those 6ish weeks that transpire after are really going to shape up a lot of the standings.
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They're going to decide home field advantage come playoff time and then that's when maybe we'll have a clearer idea of who's for real and who's not.
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I, honestly, I.
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It's funny because I haven't been looking at the NFL playoff picture and the Chiefs are currently the 9 seed in the AFC and they have a 51 chance of making the playoffs.
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And I feel like that's a little bit low.
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But like, I don't know, man.
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The Ravens are 70, I guess, because the division's still in, in, in reach.
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Sorry not to get sidelined, but Chiefs, you can.
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I guess we'll talk about after.
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I'll let you go.
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Like, I, I genuinely think though and I, and I mean, I've also said it this year too.
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Like, I'm like the NFL product is lacking a little bit.
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I think that's also because of the lack of top end quarterback play.
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I don't even say top end.
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I think just like average quarterback play.
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I think like there is like probably 50 of the league just has bad quarterbacks.
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And I think that as a whole is like affecting everyone's perception of the NFL because, like you're watching Red Zone.
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95 of football fans are watching Red Zone every Sunday.
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Like, I feel like it's a lost art to like watch a normal game and like flip through channels or like I'm just watching Red Zone.
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So like you're watching every single game and like majority of the time you, you're, you're watching these games just because they need to put it on tv.
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And it's like, okay, well that guy's not really good or that guy's not really good.
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And like it's, it's taking away from the actual good games that we've had and the good teams that we've had.
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My.
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Where I'm getting at is I think this playoff picture, like if the playoff started today and, and you've got obviously your one seeds, Eagles and Broncos, like the Patriots are hosting the Jags and the Rams are hosting the
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49ers.
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The Colts are hosting the Chargers, the Steelers are hosting the Bills.
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Like all these games are like, in terms of a spread are probably like three to three points or less.
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Like they're all good games.
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That, that is exactly where I was getting to because when I was sort of sorting through all this in my head, I was starting to think like, well, a lot of people are complaining.
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Like you said, the NFL product this year is not where has been or where it needs to be, but I think this is going to give us one of the best playoffs for sure we've seen in forever.
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How many wild card weekends have been complete duds because the Ravens are up by 30 on the Steelers before halftime than we've seen in recent years.
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Like it feels like every year we get into the playoffs and we know what's happening through at least four to the six games in the first week.
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I think the NFL parody has never been higher.
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No.
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And I, I think maybe us saying like I have no idea who's going to win the super bowl is a great thing because there's 16 teams that if they're playing one another on any given Sunday, it's a pick
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them.
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I know.
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K, just for the sake of argument, Patriots, Jags.
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Okay, you lean Patriots, but like three point spread, Colts, Chargers.
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Toss up Colts.
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Yeah, the Colts beats them exactly.
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Steelers, Bills.
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Okay, you probably lean Bills just because the Steelers in the playoffs, you don't know, let's get those, let's get the.
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Ravens in that four season.
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I know, but that's what I'm saying.
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But like, yeah, that's not even factor.
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But that's not even factoring in the Chiefs, the Ravens, like and then the NFC Rams versus 49ers.
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Amazing game.
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Bears, packers, amazing game.
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Buccaneer Seahawks, amazing game.
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And that's not even factoring in the Lions who are, who are on the outs looking in like we could be in for absolutely one of the better postseasons because in, in more in recent memories it's like, okay, the
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Chiefs are going to the AFC Championship and it's about who's going to play them.
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And more often than not it's the Bills and the Ravens and in the NFC it's like okay, the Eagles and the Lions and like last year obviously the commanders had like this little mini run but it wasn't really
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anything because they lost NFC championship.
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Like there's a lot of parity or at least it's obviously we still have.
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I mean we're mid November here and the playoffs aren't starting on the weekend the way that we're talking.
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But everything is pointing in the direction of like, damn, you know what?
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Like don't factor in the, the Saints verse Panthers game that you had to watch on a Sunday afternoon and then you say, oh, the NFL product sucks.
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Well, wait until the postseason comes around and wait until the playoffs because I think we're going to be looking at a pretty good playoff just because of how much parity there is.
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Right?
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Yeah, let's.
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With that, let's get into some of the, I guess, battles that are going on that are shaping up that division or that playoff picture.
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And we'll start with talking about the NFC or the AFC West.
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The Denver Broncos, they're 9 and 2.
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We've already said that.
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But 9 and 2 means four more wins than the Chiefs and they've already beaten them.
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Two more wins than the Los Angeles Chargers.
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They are absolutely in the driver's seat right now to win the AFC West.
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And if you look online, if you read social media, which I know isn't always the best place to, to get your information, but you think that this team is a bubble, mediocre playoff team that's going to fizzle out
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come December and not do anything.
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The truth is they got the best record in the NFL, but somehow we're still sitting here asking the question, is this team for real?
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Do you fully believe in the Denver Broncos?
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Because at this point, if they don't win the division, if they're not hosting a playoff game or if the AFC doesn't run through Denver, it's a surprise.
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I mean, okay, no, I think that's super disrespectful.
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The fact that like, people are, like you said, they're talking like as if they're like a fringe, like wild card team.
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It's like, dude, they win.
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They're 9 and 2.
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Right.
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And again, defense is incredible.
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It's a, obviously one of the hardest places to play in the whole NFL.
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The offense necessarily hasn't been up to standard or what we expected out of like a bonix in his sophomore season.
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And, and Cortland Sutton's been a little bit disappointing, but it's still a complete football team that plays both sides of the ball well.
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They win close games, which at the end of the day in the playoffs, you need to know how to do, you need to know how to close out games.
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And they clearly know how to close out games because they've closed out nine of them.
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So like, how, for real, are they, like, are they super bowl favorites or in that top tier of super bowl contending teams?
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I don't know.
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But like, this is an absolute legitimate team that I wouldn't be shocked if they finish as the 1 seed or if they're winning the division.
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They are going to win the division.
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That's, that's no doubt about it.
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Like I always, I was saying, like, oh, well, the Chiefs, you got to represent the Chiefs.
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But the Chiefs have failed or have fallen short one too many times that I think they've Gotten to the point where, like, it's just beyond recovery, where they.
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That the division is just a little bit out of reach because it's going to require like a huge collapse.
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And the Broncos just don't seem to have, obviously, knock on wood.
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I don't want any serious injuries to happen.
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But that's the only thing that would, that I could see, that would, that would derail this Denver Broncos team from winning the division.
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But I don't know.
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It's a legit team.
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Like, you can't sit here and, and talk the way that people are talking.
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Obviously.
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Social media.
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Social media.
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But you can't say like, the Broncos are all this like wild card team that like they can get a bounce in the first round.
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Like, no, if you got to go into Denver in January, it's going to be hard to play regardless of who you are.
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Right.
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Against that defense.
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Like, come on.
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I think them beating the Chiefs has shown us.
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Yeah, like, this is a very real 9 and 2.
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You can moan all you want that they played a boring game on Thursday Night Football against the Raiders and they didn't look great.
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They still got what counted.
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They won the football game.
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Absolutely.
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Let's move over.
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We'll stick in the same division, but still with the Kansas City Chiefs.
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The Chiefs are now 5 and 5 on the season.
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A big talking point about this team last year was that they were 110 in one score games.
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And that luck always seemed to land on their side.
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And every time they won a game it was, this is just paper over the cracks.
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A storm is coming.
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This cannot last forever.
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They end up getting to the super bowl look very impressive throughout the playoffs, but here we are one year later and those bounces aren't going their way.
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They're going from 110 and 1 score games.
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They are now.05 in 1 score games this season.5 and 5 on the year.
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A team that started 5 and 5 has never won the Super Bowl.
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They are still heavy favorites to make the playoffs, but they have losses against every single team that is currently occupying a wild card spot in the afc.
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The Bills, the Jag, the Jags and the Chargers.
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So tiebreakers are not on their side.
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Where are you?
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Give me a percentage on the Chiefs actually missing the playoffs.
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I like, I don't know if my percentage is swayed because like, I'm thinking about the idea of the Chiefs being the Chiefs of like the last four years.
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I just think that, like, I think it's just one of those years where like they need not.
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I'm not going to call it a reset because it doesn't feel like one of those.
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But I don't know, like, you're not going to be dominant every single year.
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You're not going to go to the super bowl every single year.
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There's going to be years that you're going to slip up and you're going to miss the playoffs.
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Like, I just, at the end of the day, I think they've done or they've showed us that no matter how much you can think, oh, it's Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid and they're going to turn it around.
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Like this past week.
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If it was last year, the Chiefs won that game.
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If it was the year before, the Chiefs won that game.
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The year before that, the Chiefs won that game.
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It just doesn't feel like that this Chiefs team has the same.
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I'll call it magic that they.
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That they've had in recent years.
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And it may just be one of those years.
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I don't know.
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I'm still gonna put out like a 50 chance, but I'm probably all out or the most out.
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I've been on the Chiefs since we started doing this podcast.
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Right.
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Like, I just don't think it's the year and I don't think they.
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I can't see them.
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I.
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I went into this week and be like, oh, if they get, like, the six seed, imagine, like, being the two or the.
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The three seed.
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Let's call it the two seed.
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Imagine me the two seed, and the Chief's got to come in and.
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And play you in the first round of wild card weekend.
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Like, I'm probably picking up against Chiefs.
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Like, if the.
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If the Chiefs have to go into Foxborough and play the Patriots in the playoffs, I'm picking the Patriots.
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It feels like, I think the best way to say it is like, they are just like any other team.
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Yeah.
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It's almost like you have to treat them like they are a normal football team, where it's like, oh, they're actually on the road.
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Oh, they're actually, maybe.
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Maybe not having a great pass rush is going to hurt them.
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Or maybe they're not having a run game is going to actually hurt them.
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Because before all of it didn't matter.
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It was just like, when push comes to shove, Patrick Mahomes will find a way to get it done.
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It's also been weird because we've expected them to turn the corner this year.
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It's like, all right, you started slow, we'll give you that.
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You've had injuries.
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No.
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Rashi Rice.
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No.
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Xavier.
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Worthy.
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They're all healthy now.
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And it's still not clicking.
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They're still making mistakes.
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They still don't look like everything's clicking and they're losing games against teams that, like you said in past years, it's like, yeah, no problem.
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They'll find a way to win this game.
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It's just not happening like that.
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Let's stick in the same division.
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One more topic I want to go over.
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The only relevant team left, the Los Angeles Chargers.
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The Los Angeles Chargers still can't seem to figure it out.
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And of course, offensive line is completely dismantled and it is really affecting them.
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But Justin Herbert, now, another ugly game against a team with a record above.500.
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They haven't really been dominated, especially in the trenches like they were against Jacksonville.
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Since Harbaugh has taken over there, is it fair to say that the Chargers are frauds in the afc?
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Not that, okay, they're not going to make the playoffs, that they're going to go on this big losing streak.
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Yeah, sure, they'll.
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They'll pick their spots throughout the rest of the season and they'll win some.
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Some big games.
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But.
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Like, what do you think?
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I.
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I think, honestly, like, I feel like frauds is like a.
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It's a hard term to use.
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Like, there's still three, you know, in their division.
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Like, they.
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You know what I mean?
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Like, I don't know.
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Like, it feels like the Chargers are the Chargers.
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Like, we know what the Chargers are.
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Like they can beat the best teams.
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They could also lose to the worst teams.
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Right.
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Like, it wouldn't shock you.
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Put it this way, I don't think there's a team in the NFL that has more turnover week to week.
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Like, one week they look like one team, and the next week they look like a complete different team.
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But bottom line, like, the common denominator is they're just inconsistent.
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And I think that's just the name of the game with the Chargers.
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Like, they're just inconsistent.
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Like, would you be surprised if the Chargers.
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Well, obviously they have their buying week, which I think is coming at the perfect time.
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Yeah.
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Which a lot of people aren't factoring in.
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Like, sometimes you just need that bye week to come.
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You relax, you.
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You reset, and then you go.
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You kick the crap out of the Raiders at home, then you got the Eagles at home, you got the Chiefs, you got the Cowboys, you got the Texans, you got the Broncos.
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Like, it's not the easiest schedule, but it's manageable.
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So I'm not going to make a Judgment call on the Chargers yet.
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It could also be some recency bias like they were.
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They won four to their last five games heading into Jacksonville, and obviously Jacksonville beat the brakes off of them.
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But that stuff sort of happens.
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Like sometimes you look back at the NFL season and be like, oh, yeah, I remember when that team lost like that.
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And here they are sitting in the AFC Championship.
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Like, I wouldn't be shocked.
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That's Chargers.
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I'm not gonna put my money on it, but I think it's too early to like, make a call and say, like, oh, this team's a fraud or this team's legit.
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Right.
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Especially with the Chargers, just given how inconsistent they are.
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Yeah, I think I'm in the same boat as you.
22:17
Like, at the end of the day, I still will always believe in Justin Herbert when he's playing at the top of his game.
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He is so good and what he's doing this year with how beat up his O line is.
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If you watch back some of the film on that Jags game, it's like.
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It's almost like he didn't even have a chance from.
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From snap number one.
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Which is kind of uncharacteristic because we could very well have this exact same conversation that we're having right now about the Chargers, about the Jacksonville Jaguars.
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They were the quote, unquote frauds of the afc of the.
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This team's going to fizzle out.
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This team's not going to make the playoffs.
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And they went and they dominated the Chargers.
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So I guess it's one of those things where it's like, maybe it's a matchup by matchup thing.
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Maybe it's a who just gets hot at the right time.
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But I guess it speaks to the overall thing we've been talking about all day today of it's just so wide open right now in the NFL.
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I want to move over to the NFC north because it's another division very similar to the AFC west, where it's very wide open.
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It has a ton of great teams and it's been, I guess, very surprising.
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But the Chicago Bears, I think, are the biggest surprise in all of this.
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They started 02.
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They are now 7, 3, 8 and 3.
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What.
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Whatever it is.
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They have just been winning, winning, winning ever since an 02 start.
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And they're doing it in ways that we haven't seen before.
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It's doesn't matter if some days it's a slow start from Caleb Williams.
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It seems like in the last three, four minutes of the game, they always find a Way to get the ball down the field, kick that game winning field goal.
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Whether it's the defense coming up big with some turnovers, special teams at a big return this week, or just Caleb William making big time throws, it feels like for the first time in a while the Bears are actually
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a respectable franchise with a respected NFL quarterback.
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At the same time though, you've got the packers and the Lions, two media darlings, two very good teams chasing their rare.
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Is it realistic to say again, I'll ask you to give me a percentage.
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The Bears are NFC north champs.
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Yes or no?
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I think I was a year too early on the Bears.
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I said they were that.
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I said they're going to win the division last year and I was just jumping the gun a little bit.
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I think this Bears seems legit.
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I am all the way in on the Bears.
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I've always been in on Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson.
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I've preached their praises for last year respectively on both.
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But it feels like they win games like a good football team would.
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Games.
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Their defense is solid.
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I mean Caleb Williams hasn't even had like that game or like, oh, that's USC Caleb Williams, like he hasn't had that yet.
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Like he's had his moments.
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But like I'm not going to call him disappointing because he's not disappointed.
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He hasn't been disappointing.
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He's 7:3.
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Well, his team is 7:3.
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But like you look at the Bears and maybe that's because the division is so inconsistent.
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I'm still worried about the Lions because I still think the Lions are due to like turn it on.
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I know they're sitting in as a seven seed and outside looking in.
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I'm not necessarily too sold on the Packers.
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I know they're six and three.
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But like the way when I watch the packers, like their defense is great.
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I just, I don't know, like, I don't like the quarterback, I don't like the receivers.
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I.
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The offense to me just feels so sluggish and like you put up the packers up against like any other team in the nfc.
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Like the Rams beat them, the Seahawks would beat them.
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I mean the Bucks I would take the Bucks, I would take Eagles, like.
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But this is, to me, this is exactly how I feel about the Bears.
25:47
Yeah, okay, sure.
25:48
But the Bears at the end of the day are still.
25:50
I would still take the Bears over the packers if they were obviously at home.
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It's nice because they're going to play twice still, so.
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Yeah, I know.
25:57
So we're going to get to see.
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And And I think like if you go by the NFL.com playoff projection numbers, the Bears, yeah, they're the three seed.
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They're seven and three.
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They're sitting first place in the NFC North.
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They've only got a 58 chance to make the playoffs or all the other teams around them like Eagles, 99, Rams, 99, Bucks.
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Was that 85%, Seahawks, 90%.
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That's so disrespectful.
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I don't think it's disrespectful because yeah, it is.
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Is indicating that they're going more about half the time.
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They're going to miss out.
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Like they're not, they're not going to miss out.
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They, they play the Steelers this week, they're going to beat the Steelers even if they lose.
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Let's, let's say every toss up, we're going to give them a loss.
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Eagles loss.
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Packers loss.
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Bears at home.
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The win.
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Packers loss.
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49ers loss.
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Lions lost.
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Go.
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They just missed the playoffs.
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They're nine and eight.
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Okay, but they're going to win these games.
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That's five losses that we're giving you 50% of them.
26:53
I think of all these teams in the NFC and I think there's eight good teams in the nfc, so that means one of them's not going to make the plus, including Bears in those eight good teams.
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One, I think the Bears are the worst out of them.
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Two, I think the Bears are the least battle tested out of all of them.
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It just feels like every single week they're playing in this winnable game.
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And if you look at their last loss too, they lost to the Lamar Jackson Ravens in a game that was like, surely the Bears are going to win this game.
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They lost.
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It's very much like the Chiefs of last year where it's like they can't just keep winning all these late, dramatic games.
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And they're doing that against teams that they should be easily beating that any of these other teams in the NFC would easily be beating.
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So to me, the Bears, I think it's fair to say two things and I think two things can be true.
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One, they're building something that is very promising.
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They're definitely heading in the right direction.
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If you're a Bears fan right now, you should be very excited.
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Two, I think there's still a very long way to go and that is in Caleb Williams is progression that is in the rest of the roster really coming together and complementing a young quarterback, Ben Johnson first year as
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a head coach.
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This is a slam dunk success.
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So far.
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But I think when we're talking about them compared to the packers, them compared to the Lions, to me, they are not the best team in this division.
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They don't, I don't think they're going to win the NFC North.
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If they do, I'll gladly admit that I'm wrong and I'll be very surprised.
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But I can completely understand why people are bullish to say that the Bears are going to fizzle out at some point and they're not going to make the playoffs.
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I, I will say, though, I think the Lions are the biggest threat.
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I, I still, I don't know.
28:29
I just don't see with the Packers.
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I, I don't.
28:30
I, I don't see with Packers.
28:32
I agree with you on that one.
28:32
And I think the Lions are.
28:34
I think it's almost like no one's talking about them this year, which maybe is a good thing for them, but it's also weird that they're 6 and 4 and no one's talking about them.
28:43
Whereas the Chiefs, yes, they're one game worse.
28:45
They're five and five.
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But all anyone wants to talk about is how bad the Chiefs have been this year and how they have so many losses.
28:50
Well, guess what, Lions, You've already matched your, your loss total for last year.
28:55
Now you've eclipsed it.
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13 and 4, 14 and 3.
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I think they were 13 and 4 last year.
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It's just like, I don't know, they've looked sloppy.
29:05
Now they've made a change.
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They haven't made a change at offensive coordinator, but they've made a change with their play caller.
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15 and 2 they were last year.
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Well, I don't even remember.
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See, See what I mean?
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Nobody wants to talk about it.
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And this comes back to what I was saying about the Bills earlier.
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Is this the year where the Lions sneak in, they gotta play on the road in the playoffs, but because they don't have that one seed pressure, because they don't have the 18 weeks of media headlines, this is the
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year that they do it.
29:32
And honestly, if I were to pick a Super bowl champion today, I'd have a hard time not saying that the Lions are going to be at least representing the NFC and they're the eight seed right now.
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They're not even in the playoff picture.
29:42
Wow.
29:43
I mean, that's not.
29:43
Look, I wouldn't be shocked.
29:45
I don't know if I would go out and say that they would be like, my concern with the Lions is the concern that I had even after week one.
29:53
It's like, I love Goff.
29:55
I think he's a good quarterback.
29:57
But like, for example, the game against the Eagles, obviously the wind, all that stuff.
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There's a lot of factors, but that was a perfect example of why I don't trust Goff in big moments.
30:09
Like, if you don't make him, if you make him uncomfortable and not everything's perfect.
30:14
He just struggles and it's like, how are you supposed to overcome that?
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He's not a guy that can.
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So, like.
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And it's unfortunate because at the end of the day, that's always going to be their Achilles heel because the team is so good.
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I don't know.
30:28
I.
30:28
I would love the Lions.
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I would.
30:30
I think the Lions for the city of Detroit.
30:32
I will always root for the Lions.
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I'll always be in their corner.
30:36
I just have serious doubts about their, like, longevity in the playoffs just because of the quarterback I did.
30:43
I do love Jared Goff, but when you said that, it did a little bit jog some second thoughts in my head because of the whole, like, what's Jared Goff known for?
30:52
It's being a guy that excels inside a dome, mainly.
30:56
And that's why last year when the Lions had the one seed, they were saying, this is so important for them, especially the nfc.
31:00
You've got teams like Green Bay, Seattle, Chicago.
31:04
Right now, that's tough, places to go.
31:07
It's, you know, windy, could be bad weather.
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Philly as well.
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Philly's the one seed.
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You got to go into Philadelphia.
31:13
Like, that's a tough, tough environment, weather wise.
31:16
Especially for a guy that's, you know, kind of.
31:18
Not necessarily that he relies on playing in nice conditions, but that's where clearly statistical, he's had a huge advantage.
31:26
So I guess maybe that's.
31:27
That would make me a little concerned.
31:29
But I'm not ready to give up on the line.
31:30
I'm not either.
31:31
No, I'm not either.
31:31
But to me, they're still division favorites.
31:34
Rightfully so.
31:37
All right, one more team in the NFC before we kind of wrap up our week 11 talk.
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And I feel like we maybe talk about this team every week.
31:45
We were so hard on them a couple weeks ago, and I feel like we all felt some pretty strong vindication that they proved us in the right direction.
31:53
I think you actually picked them to lose against the New Orleans Saints, and that was the Carolina Panthers.
31:59
This has been by far the weirdest team in the NFL.
32:05
Start off 02, then you beat the Falcons 30 to nothing.
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Completely dominate them, but you do it in A way where, like, you're outgained in every single metric.
32:21
Things just go your way.
32:22
You have a couple timely turnovers.
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You win that game 30 to nothing.
32:26
You're down 170 against the dolphins.
32:28
You find a way to win that game.
32:29
You beat the packers by scoring only, what, 13 points, 16 points on the road again, just doesn't make sense.
32:39
The next week you followed up with a loss to the Saints where now everyone has turned against Bryce Young and has said, this cannot be the quarterback of the future.
32:47
They need to move off of this guy.
32:49
You can only win so many games by just Rico Dowdle taking over in your defense, having to do so much to win.
32:56
All of a sudden, this week, again, they play the Falcons.
32:59
Bryce young throws for 448 yards, bunch of touchdowns, they win in overtime.
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Make it make sense for me with the Carolina Panthers.
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What is their record?
33:12
Seven weeks from now, they're winning one game.
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The rest of the year, if they play the Falcons, I would give it.
33:18
I'll give them two.
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But they don't.
33:19
They've got Falcons on the river.
33:21
They're again, I'm not strained from this.
33:24
I'm not letting any Fluke wins because I'm going to call them Fluke wins.
33:29
At the end of the day, the Carolina Panthers.
33:31
I look at them and I see the exact same problem that I said, what was it four weeks ago now?
33:38
I said, Bryce Young is going to win some games, he's going to lose some games.
33:41
This team's just going to be picking in a mediocre spot, and they're just gonna be like, you know what, let's go ahead and run it back with Bryce Young.
33:48
One more year and it's just gonna send the franchise a baby step.
33:52
Maybe not a full five yards back like I once thought, but it's still a step in the wrong direction.
33:58
Bryce Young is not the future.
34:00
This team is not going anywhere.
34:03
Even if they somehow get into the playoffs, which they're not, let's be real here.
34:07
Their schedule's impossible.
34:10
San Francisco, Louisiana.
34:12
They're going to win against the Saints.
34:14
Maybe we'll see the Bucks twice and the Seahawks.
34:18
Like, that's a tough, tough schedule.
34:21
I see one win, you want to give them two, albeit 8, 9, 7 and 10.
34:27
That's what they're going to finish.
34:28
And they are going to do what they shouldn't do and they're going to buy back into this Bryce Young thing and they're going to think, let's run it back.
34:37
Let's.
34:37
Let's Build around him and he won us seven games.
34:40
He looked good and whatever.
34:42
What she did look good.
34:43
You look good on Sunday.
34:44
I get it.
34:46
I don't see it with this team.
34:48
I don't see with the quarterback.
34:50
I've been out on Carolina ever since he got drafted there.
34:53
I mean, not to say Anthony Richardson's been any better, but I was like, oh, draft Anthony Richardson at one.
35:00
Because if you're going to draft somebody at one and trade up C.J.
35:03
stroud, I thought, oh, no, C.J.
35:04
stroud.
35:05
I wanted C.J.
35:05
stroud for sure.
35:06
But I would have taken Anthony Richardson over Bryce Young just because Ceiling.
35:10
Exactly.
35:11
Like, if you're training for the one, you.
35:12
You want Max ceiling.
35:14
And I just saw the ceiling with Angie Richardson over Bryce Young.
35:17
Like, I didn't.
35:17
I've never saw it with Bryce Young.
35:19
Like, I.
35:19
I don't know.
35:20
He doesn't necessarily do one thing well.
35:22
So that's my biggest concern.
35:23
I still think that stands.
35:26
I'm not buying it with Carolina Panthers.
35:27
I.
35:28
They could win.
35:28
They could even go and make the playoffs.
35:30
They can win out and I would still pick.
35:32
I don't think they're like.
35:34
Like, they're not.
35:35
There's no.
35:36
There's so many good teams knowing that they still got to play the Bucks twice.
35:40
They got to go into San Fran.
35:42
Like your host.
35:42
Your home games that you have left are the Rams, the Bucks and the Seahawks.
35:49
Like, I would do the most outrageous thing possible if the Carolina Panthers just made the playoffs.
35:54
Swear to God I would.
35:55
You guys heard it from him.
35:56
Let us know what I legit would.
35:58
I legit would because that's how confident I am.
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I.
36:01
I, like, there is zero chance the CMA spots.
36:04
Zero.
36:05
Zero.
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And I'm confident saying that.
36:07
And I feel bad because, like, there's unique.
36:10
Panthers fans are going to get pissed.
36:11
And I would get pissed, too.
36:12
Like, there's Panthers fans who have fully committed to this and are now believing in that.
36:18
Oh, 100%.
36:19
But that's what you're supposed to do as a fan.
36:21
Like, of course.
36:21
Right?
36:22
I mean, I'm doing it right now with the Dolphins.
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Will never, ever, ever, like, fault the fan for, like, believing.
36:29
I just won't.
36:30
Because that's what you do when you're a fan of something and stuff is going well.
36:35
You're going to start believing no matter what until they get stripped from you in the most heartbreaking fashion ever.
36:40
You're going to believe right till the end.
36:41
So I'm never going to fault the fan.
36:43
But from somebody that, like, is an analyst.
36:48
I'm not going to sit here and be like, oh, yeah, that's playoff team.
36:52
That's a good team.
36:53
They're not.
36:54
I'm sorry.
36:54
They're just not.
36:56
I.
36:56
I got nothing.
36:57
Like, I got nothing to that.
36:58
I'm.
36:59
I agree with you.
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I just.
37:00
But then again, would it surprise me if they come out and somehow beat the 49ers?
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Yes.
37:07
And I.
37:08
It wouldn't.
37:09
It wouldn't.
37:09
And they're 7 and 5 and then the next week they lose by 40 to the Rams.
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Wouldn't surprise.
37:13
It's honestly, flip a coin.
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I.
37:15
Speaking of coin flip, they're 6, 0 when they win the coin toss.
37:17
They're owing 5 when they lose the coin toss.
37:19
No way.
37:20
Yeah.
37:20
So it's just like, what is this crazy stat?
37:22
This is one of the.
37:23
The.
37:23
This team will go down and they will be studied in NFL history.
37:26
When you look at how they've performed in losses and who they've lost to and how they've performed in their wins and who they've beaten, regardless, they've given us a fun story throughout the year.
37:35
Bryce Young again, something to monitor going into the off season.
37:39
How will they navigate kind of giving him a second contract or moving forward with him as a starter?
37:45
I don't know.
37:45
It's a tough problem to have.
37:47
One thing I'll say, Dave Canales, we saw him on a flight, one of the smallest planes I've ever been on.
37:51
He wasn't sitting in first class.
37:53
Also gave me concerns about the franchise, but I really like him as a head coach.
37:56
So, Panthers, you got something there.
37:58
That's where you've earned my respect.
37:59
Rico Dowdle has been great.
38:01
Defense has been great.
38:03
Speaking of great, we will end the show by having a fun little debate.
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The MVP award.
38:09
Drake May.
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Drake.
38:10
Drake May.
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May is getting all the love.
38:13
Matthew Stafford has been at 37, 38 years old, playing the best football he has ever played.
38:20
Jonathan Taylor might go on to break NFL touchdown records this season.
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Jackson, Smith.
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And Jigba has almost more receiving yards than an entire team in the Tennessee Titans.
38:31
Like, there are so many great candidates for the MVP this year.
38:34
Josh Allen, six touchdowns on the weekend.
38:36
Who is your MVP through 11 weeks?
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I really want to say Matthew Stafford.
38:42
I do.
38:43
I just think the element of the surprise that comes with Drake May and the Patriots would sway my vote to go in that direction.
38:51
I genuinely believe that.
38:52
And I think any other year you see 27 touchdowns, two picks through 11 weeks, you're like, yep, that's the MVP.
39:01
I just watched this Patriots team and and I watched Drake May play and I'm like, well I didn't see this coming.
39:08
I was completely wrong on this team.
39:11
And that factor alone, considering that it is outside of New England Patriots fans who again not going to fault a fan for believing.
39:21
If I see one person say that the Patriots would be 9 and 2 through 11 weeks and Drake may be MVP front runner.
39:30
How did where did Chatgpt make that pick?
39:32
Because that didn't happen.
39:34
So that element of surprise reason alone has me leaning Drake May for my MVP vote.
39:39
If I was voting today, I I've.
39:41
Got three answers I agree with you.
39:44
Drake May is the media pick.
39:47
Yes.
39:48
It's new, it's fun.
39:50
He's very good, he's marketable, he's likable, a ton of big plays, great deep ball, athletic second year player, future of the league, all that.
40:00
I never thought that they would be 9 and 2.
40:02
I almost said going into season that maybe we're kind of given them their flowers before they're really accomplished anything just with how high a lot of people were on New England going in.
40:12
If you told me that Drake May at some point in his career would be this good, I would have easily believed you because I thought this guy was a star.
40:19
Yes.
40:20
Coming out of the draft, my pick and this won't happen.
40:27
But I honestly think Jonathan Taylor should win the mvp.
40:29
Like it's turn on the TV and he's probably scoring a touchdown.
40:32
The odds of scar the moment you turn on the TV he is probably in the end zone.
40:36
He has been so unstoppable this year.
40:38
That is my personal pick of who I think should win the award and then who I want to win the award I think is Matthew Stafford because this guy's never won the mvp.
40:47
He's never even been in MVP conversations this late in his career.
40:50
And I think he is no doubt a Hall of Famer in the NFL.
40:55
The Rams being, you know, near the top of the nfc.
40:59
Being the team to beat in the NFL this year I think has been a great story.
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And I think anytime you see a guy with the pedigree of Matthew Stafford and you say he's playing his best football today, that's rare.
41:10
That's a great story.
41:11
To me that would be the pick that I would want to see happen.
41:14
And I mean the chances are it's going to be one of Mayor Stafford just given it's such a quarterback driven award.
41:20
But also at the same time, man, if there's a Better year for a non QB to win it.
41:25
It's this year and it's Jonathan Taylor taking it home.
41:28
Like, I've tried.
41:31
I've tried to scroll back and see what we had or what I had the Patriots record projected at.
41:37
I think you had the.
41:38
You had the bills going like 12 and five or 13 and four.
41:42
I think you had the Dolphins going nine and eight and the Patriots going eight, nine.
41:45
And we were one of the very, very few media outlets that had the Patriots with less wins than the Dolphins.
41:56
You had the jets going 2 and 15.
41:59
And I said to you, come on, that's so harsh.
42:02
The jets are way better than that.
42:03
Sharp, man.
42:04
And then week one, Justin Fields had went toe to toe with Aaron Rodgers, and I said, oh, the jets are easily gonna win more than two games with Fields.
42:12
Looks good.
42:13
I was worried that the Dolphins are the worst team in the division, man.
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Not even close.
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The jets are a disaster.
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Those poor New York Jets.
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They're bad.
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They're bad.
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Okay, here.
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This is what I had.
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Yeah, thanks.
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God.
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I was about to get full by.
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I was about to clown myself.
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Oh, chat GPT.
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You're lost, buddy.
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What do they have?
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The 5 and 12.
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The paths lost.
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That's all random chat GPT, please.
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Never using them again.
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Okay, where's.
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Where's this?
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It's got to be here soon.
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Yeah, well, you've.
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You scrolled all the way back to the beginning of the season.
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You've passed the Mica trademark.
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I feel like you scrolled past it.
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You think?
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Yeah, that's.
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That's Daniel Jones being named the starter.
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You got to scroll.
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You got to go back the other way.
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I think it was one post.
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We predicted every single team's record.
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Yeah, we did.
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That's literally what we did.
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Predicting every team's record.
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Right there.
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Right there.
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Every team's record.
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Yeah.
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Let's see what you add.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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AFC North, AFC North.
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13 and 4, Ravens off.
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11 and 6.
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Bengals will be off, but 9 and 8, Steelers correct.
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Browns, 314.
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Wait, first of all, look at my comment.
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It has a lot of, like, sleeping.
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On the Falcons hibernating right now.
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If you don't know what we're doing, we're looking back on our preseason predictions.
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13 and 4.
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So, yeah, the Patriots, 8 and 9.
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I think I.
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I made this graphic and I.
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I mean, they're both 8, 9, and I purposely put the Dolphins above them.
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Like, oh, they're gonna have the tiebreaker.
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Look at this comment.
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Dolphins going 11 and 6.
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To be honest, with two fully healthy, Tyreek, Jalen, Chubb, Phillips and Chop will be good.
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Yeah.
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Two of those guys aren't even with the team anymore.
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Tyreek is injured, obviously.
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He's probably never gonna play the Dolphins again.
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And Jalen's gone.
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Look at the Broncos 10 and 7.
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I'm gonna win more than that.
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The Colts 5 and 12.
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Oh, man.
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AFC south, we had the Jags 9 and 8, Texans 9 and 8.
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Titans 6 and 11.
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I don't know if they're gonna win six games the next six years.
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And the Colts 5 and 12.
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Terrible prediction.
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You're the Bears 9 and 8.
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That's still gonna happen though.
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Don't worry.
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Okay.
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NFC east was.
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Was good, barring the Jane Daniels injury.
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And I guess the commanders, that's even with Daniels haven't been all that great.
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They've just.
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Seahawks.
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Seahawks you missed on.
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Cardinals you kind of missed on.
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They've been the Seahawks.
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I was.
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The Seahawks.
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I was hibernating on.
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And the Bucks, the Falcons.
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And look, this might be the most sharp one ever.
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I gotta save this.
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And we're gonna come back to this and we're gonna make our own reactionary video.
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7 and 10.
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I honestly, I forgot.
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What were we talking about?
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The.
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No, we were talking about the Patriots.
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No, Patriots.
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The Patriots.
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Regardless.
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Regardless.
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We'll.
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We'll do a full reaction.
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Maybe at some point.
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I clown chat too early.
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Yeah.
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But there it is.
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That's the show for this week.
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Thank you everyone for tuning in.
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We appreciate the.
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Listen, it's great to be back.
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We'll be back regularly with these going forward.
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It's exciting times.
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Thanksgiving is next week.
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Christmas is coming up after that.
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This is the time where the weather starts to suck in Toronto.
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It's dark here now at like 4:00'.
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Clock.
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So all that is is just watching football from here on out.
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Thanks for all the support and we will see you next week.
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See you guys.