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Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing & Propaganda | Joseph Cohen | ITVOG #42 · In the Valley of Giants

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  And the other thing is to venture into the lion's den and
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  take the fight to them. Rather than being reactive,
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  rather than being defensive, go on the attack.
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  We have truth on our side. And almost every accusation that
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  they throw at us is a projection, is a confession.
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  Classic example, apartheid. Israel is an apartheid state.
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  You hear it time and time again. But if you go to Israel and look
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  with your own eyes, what you'll see are Muslims, Christians,
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  Jews, Jews by all people. Hello everyone.
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  Today we're joined by Joseph Cohen.
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  Joseph Cohen is a leader of the Israel Advocacy Movement and we
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  discussed the online warfare Israel Jews on the global
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  setting. Second thing we discussed is the
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  Palestinian Israel conflict. Is there genocide, is there
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  brutality? What about settler violence,
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  etcetera. And then lastly, we discussed
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  anti-Semitism today and the best ways to combat it.
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  And where is anti-Semitism going in the future?
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  We hope you learn and enjoy. I certainly did.
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  And if you want to see another episode in which we discussed
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  more the on the ground personal conversations with a Jew, with
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  other Jews and Palestinians, you can refer to our episode with
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  Cory Gill Schuster, which was also very informative and a lot
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  of fun. Enjoy.
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  Hello, Joseph Cohen. Thank you so much for joining us
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  on the show today. It's an honor.
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  So before I want to go into is Israel committing A genocide,
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  which I think there is an interesting conversation to be
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  had there 'cause it's not so simple to me.
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  I want to discuss the war on 2 fronts is what I call it.
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  And in my humble opinion you are a a warrior amongst men.
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  There's a there's a concept in Judaism called a Mahamas
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  Mitzvah, which is an obligatory war, in which case all men go
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  out to war to serve the country. And I don't think it's a stretch
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  at all to say that the war against Hamas and Iran is
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  absolutely on the chemist mitzvah.
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  These are people that want to walk to wipe out every Jew, man,
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  woman, child, crippled, doesn't matter off the face of the
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  earth. But there's another war that
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  perhaps the sages of blessed memory didn't have to deal with
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  at the time, which is a war of propaganda.
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  So that's the online social war. And there is a serious issue
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  there. There is not enough people
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  fighting that war. I don't even think we as Jews in
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  general have cut up to how how badly we're being decimated on
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  that battlefield. But yet, Joseph Cohen, you and
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  very few others are are the the school, the few that are
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  fighting that fight. So when did you start fighting
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  that fight? And what did you know that it
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  was a really necessary thing to do?
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  So I have an unusual background. I come from a communist
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  household and I was raised in a hippie commune and I was raised
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  with very progressive values, very tall.
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  I believed in total equality of everything.
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  And I moved to London to become more religious.
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  I grew up in a small village in the north of England with not
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  many Jews in the village, and I came into contact with Jews and
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  Muslims that didn't seem to like each other.
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  And in my arrogance and naivety, I thought, I can solve this.
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  I can bridge the gap between Jews and Muslims.
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  And I got into interfaith of sorts by promoting the
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  commonalities between Islam and Judaism in the hope that if only
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  we knew how similar we were, we'd stop killing each other.
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  And that put me into deep contact with the the Muslim
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  community. And I realized there was a
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  serious problem of anti-Semitism.
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  So I launched what is now a very large charity in the UK, which I
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  have nothing to do with, called the Campaign Against
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  anti-Semitism. Because anti-Semitism back in
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  2014 seemed like it was bearing down on us.
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  And it was just this disaster that the Jewish community was
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  sleepwalking into. And then the the Gaza war hit
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  and it just spiraled. And everywhere we looked we saw
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  Hamas. Hamas, Jews to the gas.
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  Hitler was right in just every single anti-Semitic trope you
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  could imagine. And so I launched.
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  So the Gaza war came to an end and all of that anti-Semitism
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  disappeared. But what persisted was I don't
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  hate Jews, I just hate Zionism. I don't hate Judas are Zionists,
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  I don't hate Judaism, I just hate Zionism.
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  I don't hate Jews, I just hate Israelis.
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  And I realized that anti anti Zionism was the acceptable face
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  of anti-Semitism. And So what started with a
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  journey of interfaith moved me into campaigning against
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  anti-Semitism and ultimately led me to the real elephant in the
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  room which was anti Zionism. And you only need to look at the
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  world today to realise how bad and how mainstream this form of
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  anti-Semitism is. And it's now snowballed into
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  every single traditional form of anti-Semitism.
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  You've got left wing people denying the Holocaust, you've
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  got Muslims focusing on the Talmud or mistranslations and
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  fake quotes, verses that are taken out of context.
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  And so my journey, which started as one of can't we all just get
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  along? Has turned into now what is a
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  lifetime's work of trying my hardest to make the world a
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  safer place for my children. When you came to that
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  realization where you lit on fire, meaning you know, this is
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  this is what I'm going to do. This is my mission.
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  It, it was a gradual process, but yes, yes, the, the more I
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  realized how easy it is for anybody to access millions of
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  people and shape the minds of people who our ancestors
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  couldn't. We're in a both an age of
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  blessings and curses at the moment in the sense that our
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  ancestors, when the tyrants came for them, there was nothing that
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  we could do other than beg a gracious, merciful king for
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  protection. If one nation slaughtered us,
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  we'd flee to another and to there was we did have we didn't
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  have arms. We didn't have means of
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  influencing people. And today we have everything
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  with the world is at our fingertips.
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  I've on the average video I post then publish reaches 1,000,000
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  people and I'm a nobody and anybody can do that.
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  I don't have training in this. I have probably less training
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  than most of the people that are watching your podcast, but just
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  by doing something, I'm able to reach millions when things get
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  completely out of hand. For the first time in 2000
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  years, we have a military that can protect us.
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  So in October the 7th, when tyrants rise up to slaughter us,
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  we don't have to go begging to the United Nations for help,
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  because they wouldn't. We don't have to beg America for
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  help. We have the means to defend
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  ourselves for the first time in 2000 years.
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  This is an incredible era, the age of blessings.
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  But unfortunately the flip side of that is our enemies also have
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  access to those same tools and we're a small people and we've
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  always punched above our weight. The Nobel Prizes prophets.
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  You don't get any chapter of humanities, human history.
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  Since the time of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to today, we have
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  disproportionately contributed to humanity.
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  But as proud as I am of my people's achievement and as
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  capable as I think we are, we are a fraction of the world's
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  population and they have 1,000,000, if not billions of
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  people that dislike us. And this is all biblical, it's
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  all in this, all in the Torah, it's all in the Tanakh.
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  It's there, but it tells us this is this is what is going to
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  happen. But it's still a very scary
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  prospect when facing the numbers.
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  For instance, I deal with the Muslim community more than any
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  other community, trying to influence and change minds.
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  The Muslims make up about 20% of the world's population, and they
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  are overwhelmingly opposed to Israel, if not the Jewish
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  people. And that's a scary prospect.
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  That is a huge number of people whose hearts and minds we have
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  to change if if we are to win, say, the information war which
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  you touched on. So yeah, we are in an incredible
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  age, but there are some serious challenges ahead.
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  Well. What I find interesting, at
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  least from a rabbinical standpoint, is that there's a
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  Midrash that talks about in the future that there are reasons
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  for certain parts of the Hamish of the Bible so that we can
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  prove to the many nations that Israel is ours and we do the
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  things that we do. But that's an information war.
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  The way that you've come about this, your angle is a
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  confrontation war. I, I, I admit I'm not not really
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  present in us a lot of social media.
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  Perhaps I, I should be, but it's, and I'm a lot more
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  comfortable with my Talmud. So I haven't seen many of your
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  videos, but but the way that you go about it is your
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  confrontational and that's a very different way to go.
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  Personally, I actually think that that's kind of genius.
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  But in in your opinion, why do you do that versus just
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  disseminating information in a more, shall we say, peaceful,
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  non confrontational manner? And do you think that it's
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  effective? So algorithms have a mind of
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  their own. And to win the information war,
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  you have to persuade the algorithm that your content,
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  your message is worth, is worthy of reaching large numbers of
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  people. And there's a number of key
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  things the algorithm is looking for, is looking for how long are
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  people watching? What kind of people are
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  watching? Are they engaging with the
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  content? How do they feel after watching
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  the content? And unfortunately positive
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  videos perform far worse than negative videos.
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  And conflict is far more engaging than constructive
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  dialogue. And I leverage the how the
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  algorithm works to achieve 2 key thing.
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  First is the wake Jewser to the threat which we face.
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  Many Jews live in middle class bubbles.
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  They work in the city, they have nice friends from all
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  backgrounds, Muslims, Hindus and white Christian.
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  They're not exposed to the majority or the the more common
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  opinions, which are more pervasive and wider society.
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  So one of the things I like to do is shine a huge spotlight on
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  real sentiment rather than the the bubbles that many of us
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  exist in. And so a big part of it is
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  shining a spotlight on the anti-Semitism to to wake Jews up
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  to the threat. And the other thing is to
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  venture into the lion's den and take the fight to them.
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  Rather than being reactive, rather than being defensive, go
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  on the attack. We have truth on our side and
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  almost every accusation that they throw at us is a
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  projection, is a confession. Classic example, apartheid.
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  Israel is an apartheid state. You hear it time and time again.
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  But if you go to Israel and look with your own eyes, what you'll
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  see are Muslims, Christians, Jews, Druze, behind all people
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  coexisting with complete equality under the law.
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  If you venture 30 minutes to Ramallah from Jerusalem, you
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  won't find one Jew. Why?
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  Article 6 of their national charter bans Jews from
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  citizenship unless they were there before the Zionist
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  conquest, which many put to 1917.
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  So they have a law that bans us if an Arab dares to sell a house
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  to a Jew in the Palestinian Authority they face or death.
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  We're looking at a literal apartheid.
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  In contrast, in Israel, Arabs have complete equality.
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  They're in the government, they're in the military.
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  Every time a Jew falls sick in Israel, seriously sick, and is
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  rushed to hospital, it's highly likely that they will be putting
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  their lives in the hand of an Arab doctor.
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  Arabs make up 50% of the doctors and nurses in Israel, over 50%.
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  Israel is a beacon of coexistence, but you wouldn't
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  know it if you just consume journeys from the media.
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  And so I for I in my experience, every accus, almost every
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  accusation they lobby at us is actually a a confession of
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  something that they themselves are guilty of genocide.
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  You slaughtered 6 millions of my people, yet the European Union,
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  the United Nations, they're throwing genocide at a nation
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  which I'm sure we're going to get into, where the births
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  exceeded the deaths, where the enemy population was provided
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  with billions of kilograms of aid, where almost a million
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  Gazans were vaccinated against polio in the middle of a
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  conflict. And yet we're accused of
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  genocide. Meanwhile, Holocaust denial,
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  genuine genocide denial is exploding online.
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  So yeah, we have a difficult job ahead.
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  And and confrontation, you're saying is the way to do it
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  because number one, it wakes juice up.
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  I didn't think about that angle, but that's quite valuable.
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  I would agree with you there. And two, positive information or
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  reactive information is just not heard because it's not popular.
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  OK, I very much understand that now in terms of fighting that
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  social war. So there's really three types of
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  content. There's there's long form
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  content, mid term, mid form content, short form content,
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  long form content. Do people really watch that
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  anymore? I mean, we're in an age where
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  where I feel like that's getting less and less popular and I feel
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  long form is the only place you're going to be able to
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  really change someone's open, open mind.
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  Mid form is kind of niche to her.
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  I feel it's it's doesn't really fall to either category because
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  it's really not popular at all and it doesn't have enough
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  content to really drawn you in. So then you could say, OK, I'll
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  switch to short form. But who are we convincing on
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  short form content from a 22nd or one minute TikTok or YouTube
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  short? Someone that's watching you is
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  just going to try to play into their own narrative.
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  So you're either lying or it's a Jew that already loves you,
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  right? And then they're just going to
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  be like, OK, great. So he agrees with everything
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  that I'm saying. So how are we making a?
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  How are you making a difference in any of these avenues?
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  So one of the the fortunate things with big data, the
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  analytics behind the videos, is you can see where people are
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  viewing from. You can use AI, which I do, to
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  analyze the comments to understand who's consuming the
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  content and whether a message is resonating.
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  I come from the business world and almost every video I put out
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  has a target audience in mind. It has a problem that we're
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  trying to solve that we're addressing within within that
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  target audience. And if you're right, the longer
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  form is less viewed than it used to be.
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  It's still tremendously powerful tool, which is viewed by
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  billions of people, but short form certainly exceeds.
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  As an example, I rarely break into six figures on a long form
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  video. I'm usually in five figure views
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  with short form. Every video is around 1,000,000
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  views across all my platforms and some of them reached
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  10,000,012 million. And you may be disheartened and
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  think that, well, if that's what people are watching, we're never
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  going to win the information law.
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  But if that's the battleground, then it doesn't matter.
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  That's the medium we we use because they're convincing
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  people to hate us with that same short form content.
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  I can assure you, having spoke to thousands and thousands and
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  thousands of people with the content I create, and that's not
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  an exaggeration. I spend 5 hours a day speaking
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  to to anti semites, ordinary people, to everybody.
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  And if the overwhelming majority of people I speak to have
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  incredibly strong convictions and surf not even surface level
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  knowledge. I spoke to a very, very sweet
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  person a few days ago. They described themselves as gay
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  and they had the humility. They were like, I don't know.
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  All I know is free Palestine. I was like, well, you said it,
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  what does it mean? I don't know.
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  It's just as a saying that's popular.
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  My brother says it's, I say it too.
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  They at least have the humility to admit that they had no idea
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  what these mantras that they're chanting mean, but millions and
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  millions of people repeat them ad nauseam.
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  And so you're right, it's much harder to to convince someone
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  with short form than long form. But it's something that our
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  enemies do incredibly well. And so if that's the arena,
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  that's where we have to to enter and that's where we have to to
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  fight the lies. But it's so easy for them.
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  All they have to say is like, IDF shoots baby in the head and
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  then you know, and, and, and people just buy that and believe
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  it. You're fighting that narrative
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  with a short that's going to be very, very difficult.
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  But you're saying there's no alternative, so you fight there
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  anyway. There is no alternative and it
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  is easier to to spread disinformation than it is the
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  spread to to counter that. That's one of the reasons why I
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  prefer to go on the attack rather than on the the
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  defensive. If you're on the defensive,
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  you're constantly in the losing position.
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  If you're on the attack, you're putting your opponent on the
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  back foot. And I think for decades we've
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  just done defensive advocacy has borough, and I think we have to
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  be far more aggressive, far more confrontational and bring the
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  fight to them. And by them I mean the enemies
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  of the Jewish people, not ordinary people.
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  Have you had any responses from any of your work that you know?
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  I really thought one way, but your content really encouraged
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  me to look more into the conflict or more into Judaism,
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  and I've changed my mind. Does that happen?
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  Many, many people. One of the more recent famous
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  examples would be there's a former white supremacist.
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  He was one of the biggest supremacists on the Internet, a
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  man called Lucas Cage. I'd made videos about him.
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  We'd engaged and I used to fight the fight like everybody else
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  fought and I made a video. I made a few videos about them
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  not doxing him, but really just going down the conventional.
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  Here's a bad guy, look how bad he is.
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  Everybody pay attention to this bad guy.
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  He's a fascist. He's running political parties.
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  We need to cancel him. We terrible strategy and I
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  switched my strategies and I don't think I had anything to do
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  with his D radicalization. He's the radicalized himself.
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  I'm sorry to interrupt you. What?
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  Why was it a bad strategy? Pardon.
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  I I'm sorry to interrupt you, but why was it a bad strategy?
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  You said it was a bad strategy. Why?
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  It's not effective. It's a losing strategy.
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  It's so that you're constantly on defense.
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  You cancellation will affect us as much as that affects anyone
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  else. I, I show you my TikTok as an
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  example, which has terrible, terrible umm stunt.
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  Here we go. You what you're going to say is
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  community standard, community standard violation.
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  Community standard violation, community standard violation
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  communities and the count warning who's in charge of
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  community standards, community guidelines, usually people that
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  don't like Israel. So cancellation is a double
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  edged sword and it will be used against us as a tiny minority in
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  a world where our enemies are growing more and more bold and
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  more and more in number. So I, I think cancellation is it
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  hasn't been effective. It hasn't been good at if
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  anything, I believe the cancellation strategy has
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  created more anti-Semitism than it's actually resolved.
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  It doesn't divide the class. And so there's a conversation I
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  had a couple of months ago with a hardcore neo Nazi and this guy
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  has swastika behind him. And we get into this 2 hour
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  conversation and it gets dark and I start really listening to
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  him, but also pushing him and asking if you were there because
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  he, he really idolized the Third Reich.
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  If you were there, would you, you personally, not somebody
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  else, would you be the one that was willing to take the life of
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  a Jewish child, a Jewish mother? And when push came to shove, he
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  was yes. So this was a dark conversation,
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  but Lucas Gage, the ex white supremacist, has not since
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  commented on lots of podcasts where he's directed people to
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  this video and said, this is how you deal with anti semites.
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  This is how you deal with anti-Semitism.
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  You listen to their concerns and you reason with them and you,
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  you, you, you respect where they come from.
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  Because I think this is one of the, the, the things we get
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  wrong, we'll just dismiss. There are people on the far
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  right in the Muslim world who have legitimate concerns.
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  They have legitimate concerns about their country.
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  They have legitimate concerns about what's going on in in
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  Israel, the conflict ever. And if we just dismiss
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  everything and just dismiss them, it just radicalizes more
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  and more people. And I think the best way to de
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  radicalize an actual deal with real anti-Semitism is to listen
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  and de radicalize. Now you when it when I'm
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  speaking to one person, it may look like I'm just talking to
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  this one neo Nazi. I'm not that video went viral
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  amongst Nazis. I had so many comments on from
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  the far right underneath. And I'm talking white
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  supremacist. I'm not talking somebody who
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  listens to Ben Shapiro, actual far right neo Nazi shaved heads
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  who's saying this is an incredible conversation and
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  tremendous. And the flip side of that is I
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  don't deal with the Nazis as much.
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  I deal much more with the Muslims and in the UK I've
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  debated several times when I when I lived in Britain, a guy
• 23:36
  called Abdul Hakim. Now he was in a documentary
• 23:39
  called The Jihadis Next Door with the London Bridge terror
• 23:43
  cell. This guy was a Talmud, a student
• 23:47
  of Anjem children who's radicalised more terrorists in
• 23:50
  the UK than any other hate preacher.
• 23:53
  This guy was serious. He'd been jailed for extremism.
• 23:56
  He was behind the Sharia patrols in London and I noticed on a
• 24:01
  video between me and Muhammad Hijab, a street preacher YouTube
• 24:05
  from the UK, that Abdul Hakim had left the comment.
• 24:08
  I never thought I'd say this, but Joseph has more love and
• 24:13
  hate for the sake of Allah, for the sake of Hashem.
• 24:16
  Akadeshwar who than the Muslims? He loves his people and so he
• 24:20
  should. How should we?
• 24:22
  Why should we expect anything else from him?
• 24:24
  So what had happened? Was this jihadi, this mujahid
• 24:27
  heard, watched me proudly standing on the tradition of our
• 24:34
  ancestors, stand proudly standing with the state of
• 24:38
  Israel, standing with the Jewish people and unapologetically
• 24:42
  defending them. And he respected that, and I
• 24:47
  did. He respected it because I also
• 24:49
  respected his tradition. I know Islam, I know his
• 24:52
  traditions. I won't agree with it, otherwise
• 24:53
  I'd become Muslim. But I've taken time to, to study
• 24:57
  to, to some extent, the, the Quran, Hadith, the Sunda, the
• 25:03
  Sierra. And so I, I, I think the, the,
• 25:09
  the, the winning strategy first and foremost is to go on the
• 25:12
  attack, but to, to, to abandon all the things that have failed
• 25:17
  as in the information age cancellation culture is out.
• 25:21
  The West is rebelling against it and we'll we need to adjust and
• 25:32
  kind of catch up to the times because we're still fighting
• 25:35
  with the strategies that were developed 50 years ago and the
• 25:40
  world's a very different place. Well, it sounds like what you do
• 25:43
  is you manifest the true Greek dialogues, like you're having an
• 25:46
  actual conversation with someone on the other side without any
• 25:49
  any automatic dogmatic preconceptions.
• 25:52
  If you say something, I'm going to respond.
• 25:54
  And what you're hoping for is that if you say something, the
• 25:56
  other person is going to respond to after processing it.
• 25:58
  So I do think that that's like the key of open conversation.
• 26:01
  So I definitely hear that. I think it's amazing that you
• 26:03
  spoke to a neo Nazi and then got neo Nazis to respond to saying
• 26:06
  that that was an enlightening conversation.
• 26:08
  That's definitely a change on the online war on the online
• 26:13
  front from those that are fighting the battles.
• 26:16
  Are you winning? Are we winning or are we losing?
• 26:19
  We're losing. How badly?
• 26:22
  Very badly at the moment. But, and it's a huge but, the
• 26:27
  information war is always going to be less important than the
• 26:34
  material war, the real war. And on that front we're doing
• 26:38
  incredible. Israel has never been stronger
• 26:41
  and what we're experiencing at the moment is a trend.
• 26:46
  It's a tsunami of hate that's bearing down on the Jewish
• 26:49
  people and in previous generations this would have left
• 26:53
  the Jewish people in a precarious and dangerous
• 26:55
  position. But today with Israel, I'm at
• 26:59
  least filled with hope because we have the means to defend
• 27:02
  ourselves. If anti-Semitism gets out of
• 27:04
  control in the UK, we have Israel to return to.
• 27:08
  And so I think this trend, like all trends will fade the the
• 27:16
  Candace Owens, the Nick Fuentes, the done Bazarians, the the
• 27:21
  anti-Semitism that just seems to be everywhere is already getting
• 27:26
  boring for people. They're going to move on
• 27:28
  subject. Absolutely.
• 27:29
  I mean, you already saw Nick Fuentes jokingly talking about I
• 27:34
  think he was had lame to fill in because why?
• 27:37
  He's sick of the Muslims and the left hijacking his country and
• 27:42
  making it all about Palestine. Nick Fuentes was leading the
• 27:47
  charge. He may brought these people
• 27:49
  along with him and he's as an example, is somebody who already
• 27:55
  is beginning to tire and realize and recognize that maybe the
• 27:59
  Jewish people and this tiny minority in America aren't the
• 28:03
  the threat that they first are they he first perceived it to
• 28:07
  be. Now I still believe in if one
• 28:08
  this is an and you see, I don't get me wrong, but this is a
• 28:11
  trend and trends come and go. It used to be the the what was
• 28:15
  it the ice bucket challenge, and at the moment it's the
• 28:18
  anti-Semitism challenge. But I do believe this trend will
• 28:22
  pass. If you look at previous,
• 28:26
  previous conflicts, what happens is anti-Semitism soars out of
• 28:30
  control and then it drops back down and it's kind of there's a
• 28:35
  ratchet effect. So it drops down, but it never
• 28:38
  quite drops down to where it was and it's a bit higher.
• 28:42
  And so this will, when this region, I'm saying I'm talking
• 28:47
  from just South of Jerusalem, when this region calms down,
• 28:51
  when Gaza resolves itself, whatever happens there, the
• 28:54
  world will forget. The world will move on.
• 28:58
  There'll be another war. There'll be pandemic, there'll
• 29:01
  be another news story and the algorithms will stop feeding as
• 29:08
  many people Jewish content because less people will find it
• 29:12
  engaging. And we'll see the, the current
• 29:14
  wave that we're riding of anti-Semitism, we'll we'll see
• 29:19
  it gradually come down. And this is Jewish history.
• 29:21
  It's just waves of anti-Semitism.
• 29:23
  Spikes comes back down, spikes comes back down.
• 29:27
  And we are. I believe we're riding a wave at
• 29:29
  the moment, and who knows when it's going to come back down.
• 29:32
  But it will. And as people lose interest, the
• 29:35
  algorithms will stop feeding people content.
• 29:38
  It's got so bad because the algorithms reward content about
• 29:43
  Jews. Look at Piers Morgan.
• 29:46
  All his best performance shows, with the exception of speaking
• 29:48
  to Ronaldo, are about Israel and Jews.
• 29:51
  Right. And he recognizes, by the way,
• 29:54
  Piers Morgan's an interesting character because he refused to
• 29:56
  have Tommy Robinson on his platform because of Tommy
• 29:59
  Robinson's views of Islam. And yet he's platformed every
• 30:04
  single major anti Semite that you can think of.
• 30:08
  Nick Fuentes was there. They're all there and they've
• 30:10
  many. Some of them have been back
• 30:11
  multiple times. Why?
• 30:14
  Because Jews equals views and anti-Semitism, anti Zionism is
• 30:20
  an acceptable form of prejudice in the West today, whereas anti
• 30:24
  Muslim prejudice is not acceptable was not acceptable.
• 30:28
  Yeah, but the the problem with your theory for me, so tell me
• 30:32
  where my error is, is that historically when there's hate
• 30:35
  against Jews model that was done.
• 30:38
  I mean, there was it was Muslim and antiquity as well, but
• 30:40
  Christians against Jews and a lot of that was generated by
• 30:43
  religious fervor. OK.
• 30:44
  Now, as we live in the world that's far more godless, you
• 30:48
  know, we have killed God, his blood is on our hands.
• 30:50
  So quote Nietzsche. So we have a lot less religious
• 30:52
  Christians. And that may be an explanation
• 30:54
  why there's less anti-Semitism coming from the Christian world.
• 30:57
  But from the Muslim world, I think we're seeing more of a
• 30:59
  radicalization, more of a move to the right.
• 31:02
  So even if more of the classic W becomes quiet because we'll be
• 31:06
  another war, another pandemic to focus on the rhetoric in the
• 31:09
  East, we'll still be pushing for the destruction of the Jewish
• 31:13
  people and spreading hate as much as possible.
• 31:14
  And as the world population increases in its number in
• 31:17
  regards to Muslims, are we really seeing such a change in
• 31:21
  that trend? Is that tsunami not going to
• 31:23
  still be bearing down on us and every generation not get worse?
• 31:27
  Yes or no, it could go either way.
• 31:30
  So what I would say is Muslims are in a they're in a squeeze at
• 31:34
  the moment. They're in a tight spot because
• 31:37
  theologically, Israel isn't supposed to exist.
• 31:40
  We're supposed to be one of the Dimma, one of the Al al Kitab,
• 31:44
  one of the People of the Book that's under Islam.
• 31:48
  And yet here's Israel. Not only are the Jews not under
• 31:52
  Islam, but they're humiliating every Muslim army.
• 31:56
  In 1948 a bunch of Holocaust survivors and refugees from the
• 32:00
  Muslim world with 1 rifle between every three soldiers
• 32:04
  humiliated the most powerful Muslim armies on the planet, One
• 32:08
  of them Al Jaish Al Arabiya. The the Arab Legion was headed
• 32:12
  by British officers like John back at Globe armed by the the
• 32:17
  Egyptians. The British armed by armed,
• 32:19
  sorry the Egyptians, the Jordanians armed by the British,
• 32:23
  the best weapons in the Middle East.
• 32:25
  The Jews were under an arms embargo with 1 rifle for every
• 32:28
  three soldiers. And some of those soldiers were
• 32:30
  women. And they humiliated, humiliated
• 32:34
  5 Muslim armies. Under who?
• 32:38
  Who attacked Israel Under the banners was Haji Menel Hosseini.
• 32:41
  Oh my Muslim brothers, I declare A jihad.
• 32:45
  Slaughter the Jews, slaughter them all.
• 32:48
  And they didn't. They failed.
• 32:50
  And so theologically, the Muslim world is in a pickle.
• 32:53
  And this is where the Quran comes to our rescue.
• 32:56
  You see the Quran, like the Torah, what the Quran basically
• 33:01
  it says it affirms the Torah. It copies many of its concepts
• 33:06
  from our book. And in the Quran it says, you
• 33:11
  call me al Tulu, al Erdel muqadisa.
• 33:13
  I let the Kataba Allah alakum, which means in English, Oh my
• 33:17
  people, this is Moses Moshe Moussa salallahu alaihi wasalam
• 33:23
  peace and blessings be upon him speaking to the children of
• 33:27
  Israel and he says, O my people, enter the Holy Land that Allah
• 33:32
  has written decreed to you. And so it's within the Quran.
• 33:40
  I believe the answer to the Islamic Zionist dilemma, which
• 33:46
  is the Jews aren't supposed to be independent.
• 33:51
  They're supposed to be protected by the Muslims under Islam.
• 33:55
  And yet here they are. Not only are they not under the
• 34:00
  Muslims, but they keep humiliating the Muslims when the
• 34:02
  Muslims attack. And I think that's the key to
• 34:05
  unlocking the Muslim world. And so when you look at the
• 34:08
  Abraham Accords and you speak to Muslims from places like the
• 34:12
  Emirates, this is the the key for them to not have to
• 34:19
  compromise on their religious belief, not to have to abandon
• 34:23
  the Dean, their faith. And I think in doing that, Islam
• 34:31
  and the Jewish people can coexist in this region.
• 34:35
  And it's based on our, we don't have to take them out of their
• 34:39
  religion. We don't have to much harder to
• 34:41
  take someone out of their religion than it is to show them
• 34:43
  a verse that supports us being in the land.
• 34:46
  And so I, I see this exchange between the Jewish people and
• 34:52
  the Muslim world, as has been the key to do overcoming the
• 34:58
  challenge which you, you rightfully presented, which says
• 35:01
  around 2 billion Muslims in the world that don't really like
• 35:05
  the, the state of Israel existing.
• 35:08
  And they do so largely out of religious conviction and
• 35:11
  solidarity with their people. And so I think we lean into
• 35:15
  their religion to to solve that challenge.
• 35:18
  Yeah, but here's the thing, Joseph, are you what we call a
• 35:21
  religious Zion? Do you believe in that in the
• 35:22
  Israeli army and that Jews should be conscripted into the
• 35:25
  Israeli army? I I believe that all Jews that
• 35:28
  I'd go further. Anyone who is a citizen of
• 35:31
  Israel, be they Jewish, be they religious, be they secular, be
• 35:35
  they Arab, be they Muslim, be they Christian, be they Druze,
• 35:39
  should, if benefiting from the protection of the Israeli
• 35:43
  military, be serving in that military.
• 35:47
  I have friends who've lost children in this conflict and
• 35:51
  it's disgusting to me, and I'm probably going to offend many of
• 35:54
  your audience, that my friends, children, that my children, as
• 35:58
  they grow older will go off to fight.
• 36:01
  And there are others that are exempt.
• 36:02
  I think learning is an incredible thing and I think the
• 36:06
  army needs to make adjustments, serious adjustments, to
• 36:10
  accommodate the religious needs of all of the citizens.
• 36:14
  But I believe everybody should be doing national service.
• 36:17
  So yes, I am a religious Zionist and I do believe that everyone
• 36:20
  should serve. So let me make a ridiculous
• 36:22
  claim. OK, There are Jews out there.
• 36:24
  And by the way, for our listeners, if Jews were perfect,
• 36:26
  then Michelle would be here already, OK?
• 36:28
  We're just really awesome. We're not perfect yet, OK?
• 36:31
  But there are Jews out there, Joseph, that would say that you
• 36:33
  are worse than a Nazi, which, by the way, I think is the most,
• 36:36
  I'm still trying to wrap my mind around that.
• 36:39
  But, and, and I'm talking religious Jews, we'll go out in
• 36:42
  the streets and hold signs up that the modern Israeli
• 36:46
  government is worse than the Nazis, OK?
• 36:48
  The government that is feeding them, that is clothing them,
• 36:52
  that is protecting their places of worship, that is maintaining
• 36:55
  their security, that is ensuring that even the religious
• 36:57
  institutions gets funding so they can pay their rabbinical
• 37:01
  scholars are worse than Nazis before.
• 37:04
  Maybe we'll get into that conversation, maybe we won't,
• 37:06
  but the But such a mistake is extremely dogmatic, meaning
• 37:11
  you'd have to not understand the Torah in order to make such a
• 37:14
  mistake. You Just because you label
• 37:16
  yourself as a religious Jew doesn't mean that you understand
• 37:20
  that what the Torah asks view. So my concern is, is that in the
• 37:23
  Muslim or what you're saying is very enlightened what you're
• 37:26
  saying about people really understanding the Quran and
• 37:29
  looking at the verses and internalizing it, right?
• 37:31
  So then maybe they'll elevate themselves religiously
• 37:33
  understand that just like that the Prophet Muhammad said Jews
• 37:37
  do have a place in the land of Israel and they're supposed to
• 37:40
  be there. That's wonderful before the
• 37:42
  dogmatic, right? How are you going to ever, you
• 37:45
  know, touch those people? And my fear is that those
• 37:47
  numbers are the ones that are going to be increasing
• 37:49
  exponentially, not the other ones.
• 37:51
  So I would look to our own camp for the answer to that.
• 37:55
  I completely agree. There are Jews who do an
• 38:00
  injustice to those that perished in the shower by comparing a
• 38:05
  Jewish government to the Nazis. They're a fringe of a fringe of
• 38:11
  a fringe. And I hope we can get to the
• 38:14
  same place with the Muslim world.
• 38:16
  You're you're never going to win everybody over.
• 38:18
  There's 2 billion Muslims, but if you the better example for me
• 38:22
  is not the Jewish community today, it's not the Muslim
• 38:25
  community, but the Christians. Not every Christian loves the
• 38:29
  Jewish people and not every Christian loves the state of
• 38:31
  Israel. But today, there is no greater
• 38:34
  friend to the Jewish people than devout Christians who support
• 38:39
  the state of Israel. They lobby Congress for us.
• 38:43
  They donate. They come to Israel.
• 38:46
  I meet them. They're one of the few people
• 38:48
  that will venture into Judea, the Jewish heartland.
• 38:51
  There's actually some Cowboys, the Israel guys, check them out,
• 38:54
  some Cowboys living near Habra in the in the Chevron.
• 38:59
  And they bring thousands of Christians here.
• 39:03
  They love the land so much. They love the Jewish people so
• 39:05
  much. They're here not to proselytize,
• 39:07
  not to try and take us out of our faith, but just because they
• 39:10
  believe if you stand with Israel, you'll be blessed, and
• 39:14
  if you stand against Israel, you'll be cursed.
• 39:16
  They have genuine love for the Jewish people.
• 39:19
  If you were to tell my ancestors, your ancestors, I
• 39:22
  don't know where your family's from, mine were Polish Jews.
• 39:26
  And if you'd have told them 500 years ago that in 500 years
• 39:30
  there are going to be Christians that love the Jewish people, we
• 39:34
  have no greater friend. They would look at you like you
• 39:36
  were insane, like you're Meshugana.
• 39:38
  Is that how is this possible? They're ripping our flesh from
• 39:42
  our bodies. They're burning, burning us at
• 39:45
  stakes. And in 500 years time, you mean
• 39:47
  to tell me they'll be Christians that love Israel?
• 39:49
  Why did this happen? Why do Christians love Israel
• 39:53
  today? They stopped relying on their
• 39:56
  clergy and started reading the old, the Only Testament for
• 40:01
  themselves. And they realized that, well,
• 40:06
  actually it was fascinating. It was around the 16th century
• 40:09
  in Britain. A stream of Christianity
• 40:12
  developed the idea that for their belief for Jesus to come
• 40:15
  back and reign for 1000 years, the Jews needed to return to
• 40:18
  Israel. And so they petitioned Cromwell
• 40:21
  to allow the Jews back into the country so that they could sell
• 40:24
  from Britain to the Holy Land to steal it from the had to take it
• 40:27
  from the Turks. And this was the reason that
• 40:31
  Jews admitted back into the UK. That same stream of Christianity
• 40:35
  with people like John Locke and the likes then went over to
• 40:38
  America and Christian Zionism was ceded from the very
• 40:42
  inception of America. But it all came because
• 40:46
  Christians started reading the the Bible in their own language
• 40:52
  and recognizing prophecies which they thought would materialize.
• 40:55
  I think the same will be true for Islam.
• 40:58
  The information has unlocked, Sorry, the Internet has unlocked
• 41:02
  or the age of information has unlocked an entire world for
• 41:05
  Muslims. Islam is being flipped on its
• 41:08
  head. It's been challenged from many
• 41:09
  different places, the Islamic dilemma, Israel, etcetera.
• 41:13
  And it will evolve. And I'd like to say I always
• 41:16
  hope that as it evolves, it will come to recognize that Israel
• 41:21
  isn't in contradiction with the Quran, which is the belief of
• 41:25
  many today, which is why they believe it's a religious
• 41:27
  obligation to wage jihad against us.
• 41:31
  I really hope you're a pessimist because that's such an
• 41:33
  optimistic thing to say and I want to trust you.
• 41:41
  But if we're moving to a more educated age, then you'd be
• 41:45
  correct. And I, I really hope you are.
• 41:47
  I really hope you are. I can speak from my own
• 41:49
  statistics. That's the only thing I can say.
• 41:51
  I have more and more people, more like I can't give you an
• 41:54
  actual percentage, but I'm inundated with comments under
• 41:58
  almost every video with people saying including short form,
• 42:02
  that I'm changing their mind. My video videos reach hundreds
• 42:07
  of millions of people now. I kind of, I started counting at
• 42:09
  the beginning and I lost count. If I can convince 1% of the
• 42:14
  Muslims that watch that, that's a huge number of people who will
• 42:18
  then go and campaign for the people.
• 42:19
  We're just planting seeds. We're planting seeds and hoping
• 42:23
  that in time, with time, they will grow and the fruits will
• 42:28
  benefit all people. The fruits will will benefit all
• 42:30
  people. So before we get into the really
• 42:33
  juicy stuff, one more thing on this.
• 42:35
  So what, what can we do as a Jewish people to improve what's
• 42:39
  going on in the online sphere from from me looking at it on
• 42:43
  the outside, I mean, you're the king of it.
• 42:45
  But I just feel that there's we don't have enough yet in doing
• 42:48
  it. We don't have enough Jews on the
• 42:49
  ground that care about how we look.
• 42:51
  And by the way, we should, there's a Talmudic obligation
• 42:56
  that if a Jew thinks that another Jew has sinned, that
• 42:58
  they have a rabbinic obligation to inform them.
• 43:01
  Actually, I did not send. This is what you saw, right?
• 43:03
  And I, I think that even if it wouldn't be to the letter of the
• 43:06
  law, tell mutically that we have to do that with our Gentile
• 43:08
  brethren. It's certainly within the spirit
• 43:10
  of the law. Like if people think all of
• 43:12
  these horrible things about us and almost none of them are
• 43:15
  true, we have an obligation to to fix that.
• 43:18
  So what, what are we doing wrong?
• 43:19
  What can we do to help? What's What's the key to all of
• 43:21
  this? So you're doing what every two
• 43:26
  needs to do. It doesn't matter how learned
• 43:28
  you are, how accomplished you are.
• 43:31
  We are at best 16 million people, I think probably less
• 43:36
  palatically at least. And we're facing billions of
• 43:43
  people that don't like us. So we can't afford to be
• 43:49
  complacent. We can't afford to rely on other
• 43:51
  people to fight the fight. We have to.
• 43:54
  We have to be the change that we want to see.
• 43:57
  And This is why I started making the content that I was making.
• 44:04
  And I very quickly realized it was very easy to access a large
• 44:10
  audience. The only thing you have to do is
• 44:14
  do something, be active. Don't wait for other people to
• 44:18
  to fight this fight because we can't afford.
• 44:21
  If you care about the Jewish people, it's not enough to give
• 44:25
  them a Jewish education. I believe we have to be present
• 44:28
  in the world. We have to be fighting for our
• 44:30
  people. As you, as you started.
• 44:32
  There's a, there is an information war.
• 44:35
  This is an information war we're in and we are losing the
• 44:39
  narrative. And there's a duty on every Jew,
• 44:42
  I believe, to do something. It doesn't matter how big.
• 44:46
  In the same way, I believe there's a duty on every Jew to
• 44:48
  do something Jewish. I'm not into curious.
• 44:51
  I'm not into make it my caravan people making them religious.
• 44:54
  But we come from an incredible tradition.
• 44:58
  And if the only mitzvah you do is to like Shabbat candles on a
• 45:01
  Friday night, that's better than doing nothing.
• 45:04
  That you're, you're, you're attaching yourself to an
• 45:07
  incredible, incredible people, incredible tradition, and you're
• 45:12
  doing something. If you do nothing, your
• 45:15
  Jewishness will leave you. They're your children, your
• 45:18
  grandchildren. They, they will cease to be
• 45:20
  Jewish. And I think this is the key.
• 45:23
  The key is to do something. You're doing something.
• 45:26
  I'm doing something. There are thousands and
• 45:28
  thousands, hundreds of thousands of Jews, if not millions of Jews
• 45:31
  that are doing something. But we all have to be, we all
• 45:35
  have to be contributing. There's just simply not enough
• 45:38
  of us to rely on others. And you're talking about
• 45:41
  content, so it. Can be content, it can be.
• 45:46
  Let's say you have a very successful organization, you're
• 45:50
  in real estate, it can be financial, it can be content, it
• 45:55
  can the. You just have to be do.
• 45:58
  Every person is blessed with different skills and different
• 46:01
  strengths. Some people are great speakers.
• 46:03
  Other people have tremendous knowledge of the people have
• 46:06
  great well, whatever you can contribute, wherever you are
• 46:10
  strongest, whatever you can offer the most.
• 46:12
  I believe there's an obligation to be doing something for the
• 46:14
  Jewish people because the we're in too precarious a situation to
• 46:19
  simply rely on others to do that.
• 46:22
  OK, so as people who are familiar with my show, no, I try
• 46:28
  to maintain par of kite, a certain neutral stance when
• 46:33
  going into a controversial topic.
• 46:37
  So we're going to start and we'll see where this goes.
• 46:39
  There are 10s of thousands of children and women that are dead
• 46:43
  in Gaza. And can you honestly say that
• 46:45
  there's no genocide going on there?
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  So first, I would say that's tragic.
• 46:50
  Genuinely. War is horrible and the
• 46:53
  situation in Gaza is dire. I'm not one of these hardcore
• 46:57
  Zionists. This turned Gaza into a car
• 47:00
  park. I don't care.
• 47:01
  They attack. No, this.
• 47:03
  I've got friends in Gaza. I mean, I speak with
• 47:05
  Palestinians, Arabs every single day.
• 47:08
  And many of them and their videos on my channel you can
• 47:11
  watch want peace in this region. As much as I want peace, I want
• 47:16
  their children to prosper, to thrive.
• 47:18
  They want my children to prosper, to thrive.
• 47:21
  But Gaza is a war. And in every war, tragically,
• 47:27
  tragically innocent people died. If it was only soldiers that
• 47:31
  died, if it was only bad guys that died, war wouldn't be a
• 47:33
  problem. Let them fight.
• 47:36
  But it's not. It's innocent people.
• 47:39
  It's people that have as much of A right to life as you are
• 47:43
  right, that tragically lose. And so Israel has moved
• 47:50
  mountains to minimize civilian casualties.
• 47:56
  I can't think of another military, another army in Modern
• 48:01
  Warfare that has done more to preserve civilian lives.
• 48:04
  And I'll bring that to life by just stepping back and looking
• 48:07
  at the numbers. Gaza had around 2 million people
• 48:12
  living there on October the 6th. It's a tiny area, one of the
• 48:18
  most densely populated places in this region.
• 48:22
  And Israel was attacked and then we were forced into Gaza to
• 48:28
  fight because our people were stolen and buried under the city
• 48:33
  and a fortified network of tunnels that dwarfed in London
• 48:36
  Underground. This is stuff but in fact, by
• 48:39
  now most people will be familiar with.
• 48:42
  So we had to fight and engage in a kind of urban landscape that
• 48:51
  most armies wouldn't be able to deal with.
• 48:54
  And so we develop incredible tactics to minimize civilian
• 48:58
  casualties. So we evacuate entire city's
• 49:02
  entire neighborhood, somewhere like Rafa, a million civilians
• 49:07
  are evacuated or moved out to pace places like Omulwasti and
• 49:12
  Gaza City, which are safer than Rafa, which is a ride will come
• 49:16
  a war zone. But in doing so, we lose the
• 49:22
  surprise element that any military wants.
• 49:25
  The worst thing you want to do in a battle, and I'm no military
• 49:28
  expert, but I have common sense, is tell your enemy that, guys,
• 49:33
  we're coming, you've got two days to clear out and we're
• 49:36
  coming. Why?
• 49:36
  Because they're going to lay ambushes, they're going to flee.
• 49:38
  This, it's not a great military strategy, yet we did it.
• 49:41
  Why? Because we wanted to minimize
• 49:43
  the civilians on their side. The other thing which is
• 49:48
  massively missed by many people is what constitutes an innocent
• 49:53
  party in a conflict. Now many, many innocent people
• 49:56
  have died in Gaza. It's a war.
• 49:59
  It happens in every war and its tragedy.
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  But many of those that are counted as innocent bystanders
• 50:07
  are not. In Islam.
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  There's a one of the Sahaba, one of the companions comes to
• 50:14
  Muhammad at the odd. I think it's the battle and
• 50:20
  battle of teeth. He comes to Muhammad and he
• 50:22
  says, can I fight? I want to be a mujahid.
• 50:26
  I want to join them, a jihadi. I want to join the Mujahideen.
• 50:29
  Muhammad looks at him and says, you're a boy, you're 14 years
• 50:33
  old. No, you can't go away.
• 50:36
  The next year is the battle of. He comes back to Muhammad and
• 50:40
  said, can I? Can I fight?
• 50:42
  Muhammad looks at him. You're 15 years old.
• 50:44
  Yes. You're old enough now to be a
• 50:46
  jihadi, Beth Salem. It's not related to cars, but
• 50:51
  related to Judea and Samaria. Beth Salem recently put out a
• 50:53
  report that said 54 miners had been killed in Judea and
• 50:57
  Samaria. So I did some serious analysis.
• 51:01
  I went through all manner of information to identify each of
• 51:06
  these individuals in the circumstances of their deaths.
• 51:10
  And what I found was 20% of them were members of terrorist
• 51:15
  organizations, 80% of them were engaged in violence.
• 51:18
  And so why is this relevant? You have someone like Benny
• 51:23
  Matter or Benny or the 17 years old big beards, and on their
• 51:29
  Shahada poster, the martyrdom poster, they're holding
• 51:33
  Kalashnikovs. They're called an emperor.
• 51:35
  They're all holding heavy, heavy weaponry, 17 years old in Gaza.
• 51:41
  The world would report that as a minor.
• 51:43
  Hamas, the youngest person on this report, which I reported
• 51:47
  was just due down some area, The youngest person that Hamas
• 51:51
  claimed was one of its Mucha Hadean was 15 years old.
• 51:54
  And it's heartbreaking because you look at it's a kid.
• 51:56
  He has a baby face. Yeah.
• 51:58
  Hamas are claiming him as one of their militants.
• 52:02
  And so unfortunately, Hamas do recruit child soldiers.
• 52:06
  Islamic Jihad do recruit child soldiers.
• 52:08
  And when I'm using the term child soldiers, I'm talking 15
• 52:11
  years, people as young as 12 recorded as being militants for
• 52:16
  Hamas. Now that's a tragic situation
• 52:19
  for any soldier to find themselves in the amount of
• 52:24
  processing someone that's going to have to do it.
• 52:26
  You're faced with a 15 year old pointing a a heavy weapon at
• 52:30
  you, you have no choice. And so the the West reports a 17
• 52:37
  year old militant as a child. And so when you remove that, 50%
• 52:44
  of the people that were killed in Gaza were men, male, sorry,
• 52:51
  of fighting age. So age 15 to 60.
• 52:55
  That's in a place where the overwhelming majority of the
• 52:59
  population are under 18. And so the the numbers alone
• 53:06
  clearly, clearly lean into the fact that Israel is taking
• 53:09
  incredibleness. Not only that, no.
• 53:12
  But you can't. But you can't deny that there
• 53:14
  are women and children that are dead.
• 53:16
  Absolutely. That that we killed.
• 53:17
  We killed them. Yes, yeah.
• 53:19
  And that's why war is horrible. Yeah, now so that, So then.
• 53:22
  So then let me spin it like this.
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  So imagine you were the last you on the world for a moment and
• 53:26
  you were given a choice. OK, You can either keep the
• 53:30
  Shabbat, you can keep Shabbos, OK?
• 53:33
  And you cannot worship idolatry, OK, and die as a Jew, right?
• 53:38
  Or you know, you, you can convert and you can leave
• 53:42
  Judaism behind and become an idol worshipper.
• 53:44
  Would you? What would?
• 53:45
  What choice would you make? So in that scenario I would die
• 53:52
  as a Jew because it affects other than myself.
• 53:55
  OK, so meaning you have more, you feel a moral obligation to
• 53:59
  to say that my life is not worth as much as these principles.
• 54:01
  These principles are worth more than my life, right?
• 54:04
  If we're killing innocent people, shouldn't that matter on
• 54:07
  a principal level, more than perhaps even our existence?
• 54:11
  No, no, absolutely. So it does matter.
• 54:13
  And if Israel were not taking those precautions, if Israel
• 54:17
  were doing what our enemies accused us of, I wouldn't be
• 54:20
  doing, I wouldn't be making the videos I'm making.
• 54:23
  I would be making videos that were critical of my nation and
• 54:26
  trying to bring my nation back to what I would believe to be
• 54:29
  the moral Jewish trajectory or path that we should be treading.
• 54:35
  I believe that because we are operate on this high moral
• 54:40
  level, hundreds of Israelis have died.
• 54:46
  Other nations would carpet bomb Gaza.
• 54:49
  They wouldn't have troops on the ground.
• 54:51
  Why? Why?
• 54:52
  Why risk one Jewish life if you can just drop a bomb and take
• 54:57
  out all of Rafa instead? I know friends who've lost
• 55:03
  children, who've buried children to try and preserve Arab lives
• 55:07
  in Gaza. So it is absolutely
• 55:10
  heartbreaking, genuinely heartbreaking.
• 55:13
  The innocent children, women and men.
• 55:15
  I don't know why we always just say women and children, you
• 55:17
  know, like an innocent man. We're we're both men.
• 55:20
  There's. No such thing as innocent men.
• 55:22
  Now I'm just. Yeah, I believe that.
• 55:30
  But Joseph, they're still dying. Meaning even with all of these
• 55:32
  things, look, even with all these precautions, which are
• 55:34
  wild because I don't think anyone else in the universe does
• 55:36
  what we do. OK, I'll say my opinion in a
• 55:39
  moment. But even with all the
• 55:41
  precautions that we're taking people, innocent people are
• 55:44
  dying. And is that, is that like the
• 55:47
  Shabba scenario that I gave you before?
• 55:49
  I mean, should we be killing innocence?
• 55:51
  No, it's to keep ourselves in the Shabba scenario.
• 55:53
  It affected only me. So I have no children.
• 55:55
  I have no people. It's am I going to be an
• 55:57
  idolater or am I going to dial Kadosh Hashan?
• 55:59
  That's basically or not even al Qaeda just dialed you.
• 56:03
  That's not what we're discussing here.
• 56:05
  If Hamas are able to retain a foothold in Gaza, the conflict
• 56:11
  will continue. More innocent people will be
• 56:14
  killed. Maybe that's my.
• 56:16
  Objective isn't. Well, maybe, maybe every, maybe
• 56:19
  every single innocent, maybe every single innocent Jew should
• 56:21
  die because. Because God forbid we kill one
• 56:24
  innocent people, 11 innocent person.
• 56:26
  Why do we need to be like the enemy?
• 56:28
  To some degree, I'm not just so I'm not so OK, you you can
• 56:32
  sacrifice the, the, the jet. Like remove Jews from this
• 56:36
  scenario. We're not talking Jews.
• 56:37
  We're not we're talking people. World War 2, Hitler, there was a
• 56:46
  huge war which brought about the destruction of the Nazis.
• 56:49
  Millions of people were killed to bring about the their demise.
• 56:54
  By destroying the Nazis, you ensured that millions would
• 56:57
  live. It's the same here.
• 57:01
  The purpose of the Gaza war is not revenge.
• 57:04
  It's not retribution. It's not a rampage.
• 57:08
  It's not a genocide. The purpose of the Gaza war is
• 57:11
  preventing Hamas or a group like Hamas from committing atrocities
• 57:16
  of this scale. Again.
• 57:17
  We've been locked into almost 100 people over 100 years of
• 57:21
  conflict in this region, and unfortunately, dialogue isn't
• 57:26
  going to work when dealing with a group like Hamas.
• 57:29
  The only way of dealing with Hamas is to to completely
• 57:33
  neutralize their capacity to attack.
• 57:35
  Nazism still exists. The idea is still around.
• 57:39
  You can meet one or two of them on my channel.
• 57:41
  But they've been pushed to the fringes of society and as a
• 57:45
  result, millions have thrived. And I believe it's the same with
• 57:49
  Gaza. Tragically innocent people,
• 57:53
  Jews, Muslims, Christians, less Christians in this conflict
• 57:57
  where the Jews and Muslims have died tragically.
• 58:02
  But if we were just simply to walk away from October the 7th,
• 58:09
  walk away. So with October the 7th, there
• 58:11
  was a moral obligation to return the hostages.
• 58:13
  But today, if we were to just walk away and leave Hamas in
• 58:16
  power, history would repeat itself.
• 58:18
  And each time it repeats itself, the death tolls increase, the
• 58:22
  conflict gets bloodier. So my position is at least is
• 58:26
  you neutralize Hamas, Islamic Jihad, those that can create
• 58:31
  further rounds of violence, and you lay the front that the the
• 58:34
  framework for coexistence in the region.
• 58:37
  I think that's a very pragmatic and sensible approach, but I'm
• 58:40
  interested in it. Yeah.
• 58:41
  OK, so my, my, my approach is as follows.
• 58:44
  You know, I'm a person of the book.
• 58:45
  So it's very clear in the Torah that killing a gentile innocent
• 58:50
  life is, is forbidden on a biblical level.
• 58:54
  So it's, it's not that Gentile wives don't matter.
• 58:56
  I got a biblical level. It is the same violation as
• 59:00
  killing a Jew. That being said, you look
• 59:03
  clearly from the laws that we got from Moses and from the
• 59:06
  sages that come after him. There's something called war.
• 59:09
  King David went to war. Many, many, many Jews have gone
• 59:12
  to war before, and innocence always die in war.
• 59:15
  It's very unfortunate, but that's the reality of the
• 59:17
  situation. So I don't think there's a,
• 59:20
  well, there is a genocide, not genocide in Gaza.
• 59:22
  I'll explain. There's not a genocide in Gaza.
• 59:24
  Why? Because there's no intent to
• 59:26
  kill innocent people. OK, maybe you'll find one or two
• 59:30
  IDF soldiers that just like you find one or two in every single
• 59:32
  population. The IDF and the Israeli and
• 59:35
  Jewish people do not want to murder innocent people.
• 59:37
  We don't. We don't because it is against
• 59:40
  what we, if you're calling us Jews, Jews don't believe in
• 59:42
  that. It's in the book that we can't
• 59:44
  do it. So it's antithetical, right?
• 59:46
  If we're a Jew, then we don't want to kill innocent people.
• 59:48
  So we have no intent to do that. If if we're going to have Hamas
• 59:52
  hide behind innocent people and because of that, innocent people
• 59:54
  are going to die because we're going to take out the
• 59:56
  terrorists. That doesn't mean that we're
• 59:58
  committing a genocide. In fact, that put the onus on
• 1:00:00
  Hamas that they're causing that to happen where we're expected
• 1:00:02
  to do nothing. So someone had a really big
• 1:00:04
  problem with one of the videos I made and she made a comment.
• 1:00:07
  She was like, really? So, Rabbi Dorfman, what you're
• 1:00:09
  saying is that if there was a Jew.
• 1:00:12
  And a half, there's a Jew that's being threatened by Hamas and he
• 1:00:15
  was hiding with eight different innocent families that you would
• 1:00:18
  bomb that house. I said, yes, So what if, if it's
• 1:00:22
  my life, if you're holding my wife hostage or my son hostage
• 1:00:25
  or my daughter hostage, the fact that you put innocent lives in
• 1:00:28
  front of yours isn't going to stop me from saving my family
• 1:00:30
  and saving my brethren and saving my life.
• 1:00:32
  So I don't think there's a genocide.
• 1:00:33
  However, I have to give it to the left and the others.
• 1:00:36
  They are right about 1 genocide that is happening in Gaza and we
• 1:00:39
  really do need to talk about it's not really being spoken
• 1:00:41
  about. See, genocide is the destruction
• 1:00:43
  of a part of a population and Israel is committing A
• 1:00:46
  tremendous genocide against the terrorist rapist that exists in
• 1:00:52
  in Gaza and were very effective. And for that genocide, I do not
• 1:00:55
  apologize. I applauded the Jewish people
• 1:00:57
  for doing it and I hope that the genocide goes global and every
• 1:01:00
  single rapist, molester, terrorist that wants to destroy
• 1:01:05
  and murder innocent people, they should be wiped off the face of
• 1:01:08
  the earth. So I, I guess I'm pro genocide
• 1:01:10
  in a, in a way, Joseph. So it's not my place to correct
• 1:01:12
  the amount of your learning, but I don't say that that's not a
• 1:01:15
  genocide. Genocide is the intent to
• 1:01:18
  destroy people in part a whole, as defined in a.
• 1:01:21
  Part apart, that's that's a part of a people, meaning Hamas.
• 1:01:24
  Hamas is part of a people, right?
• 1:01:26
  They are Palestinian. People, government.
• 1:01:28
  And the other thing I would say is I actually think Israel
• 1:01:30
  doesn't do as you described. Israel follows something called
• 1:01:35
  proportionality, and so depending on.
• 1:01:39
  They don't and I don't agree with that.
• 1:01:41
  I know. No, please do say it.
• 1:01:42
  But I but I'm I'm more extreme. I'll let you say it.
• 1:01:44
  So I shouldn't have interrupted you.
• 1:01:45
  Please go ahead. So I know it's good of speaking
• 1:01:48
  to a jihadi Jew. It's no from my but I think
• 1:01:55
  proportionality is important. If you have, for instance, a low
• 1:01:58
  ranking Hamas militant who doesn't pose a serious threat in
• 1:02:03
  that moment and he's in a home with his family, he hasn't got
• 1:02:07
  his weapon. I don't think there's grounds to
• 1:02:10
  to to kill him if you're going to take out twenty of his family
• 1:02:14
  even even his family. Why?
• 1:02:16
  You may kill your father one day.
• 1:02:17
  How do you know that? But he has at that point, he
• 1:02:20
  hasn't has all to do with potential.
• 1:02:22
  And yeah, everyone in Gaza has the potential to do that.
• 1:02:26
  But I believe we're, we're as a military, we operate on an
• 1:02:29
  incredibly high moral level. And I think that's because it's
• 1:02:32
  a Jewish military, even if it's been crafted the, the, the rules
• 1:02:37
  of engagement, the code has been crafted by secular Jews,
• 1:02:40
  religious Jews. It's they have inherited A moral
• 1:02:44
  framework from their ancestors. And it's why we develop
• 1:02:47
  incredible initiatives like a knock on the roof.
• 1:02:50
  What's a knock on the roof? Israel fire dropped a non lethal
• 1:02:54
  explosive above the roof to warn that there's something going to
• 1:02:59
  happen. You can watch videos of Israel
• 1:03:00
  aborting missions, even aborting the knock on the roof because
• 1:03:05
  they're civilians on the rooftop.
• 1:03:07
  However, if you hear Sinwa was in that same building, I'm
• 1:03:11
  pretty sure it wouldn't be aborted.
• 1:03:12
  Why? Because Yasinwa has the
• 1:03:15
  potential to murder millions, hundreds of thousands, 10s of
• 1:03:20
  thousands, hundreds of Jews. He has that potential as the
• 1:03:24
  leader of Hamas. Same with Nasrallah, same with
• 1:03:27
  Harmony. So in those instances, family
• 1:03:29
  members will be killed, but it's the individual themselves that's
• 1:03:33
  put their families at risk by choosing to go the path that
• 1:03:40
  they they've taken. So I, I differ from me.
• 1:03:43
  I actually I'm more aligned with the IDF in that every strike,
• 1:03:50
  every military decision should be weighed up against the target
• 1:03:53
  and the impact to the wider civilian population.
• 1:03:57
  Because where do you end? You end with his neighbors.
• 1:03:59
  Do you end with the, the neighborhood, the city?
• 1:04:02
  Like each way you have to make a decision at some point, when are
• 1:04:06
  you going to stop killing? And I think ultimately we have
• 1:04:11
  Israel doesn't release it's rules of engagement for obvious
• 1:04:14
  reasons, but it does have a very strict code.
• 1:04:18
  And if you're a sniper, you can have to get call in and get
• 1:04:22
  permission for shock the drone operator.
• 1:04:24
  You're going to operate on a very high moral paradigm, and
• 1:04:28
  I'm grateful that it does. And that moral paradigm comes at
• 1:04:32
  the expense of Jewish lives, tragically.
• 1:04:34
  That's right. That's right.
• 1:04:35
  Absolutely. Look, I'm, I'm happy that we do
• 1:04:37
  agree that the death of any innocent life is a tragedy.
• 1:04:41
  It's absolutely, it doesn't matter if you're a Jewish,
• 1:04:43
  Muslim, Christian. So it doesn't matter what you
• 1:04:44
  are. And I'm happy that we agree on
• 1:04:46
  that. But yeah, I guess we, we just,
• 1:04:48
  we just disagree in terms of the, the degree of, of what
• 1:04:51
  lengths we have to take to save a possible, a possible Jewish
• 1:04:55
  life. I I respect your opinion.
• 1:04:59
  OK, what, what is the strongest argument do you think, against
• 1:05:03
  Israel? You're fighting for Israel.
• 1:05:04
  What's the strongest argument against it?
• 1:05:06
  And the reason why this is so important, especially for our
• 1:05:08
  listeners, is I encourage you to look at a Talmud.
• 1:05:12
  It is really, really long. And if you think it's all about
• 1:05:14
  a bunch of rabbis agreeing to things, then you're sorely
• 1:05:16
  mistaken, right? Our criticisms is the places
• 1:05:19
  where we can improve as a nation.
• 1:05:21
  So, Joseph, what are we doing wrong?
• 1:05:22
  How can we improve as a nation? I mean, there are many, many
• 1:05:26
  areas we're doing unfortunately, we're not we're not perfect.
• 1:05:33
  We make many mistakes internally to do with my how are we crisis,
• 1:05:38
  how we are as a society to military campaigns to
• 1:05:44
  geographically. So as an example, Judean Samaria
• 1:05:47
  is a disaster. You have half a million Jews,
• 1:05:53
  150,000 Muslims living or Arabs living in Area C, and it's
• 1:06:01
  spiraling, a lot of control here.
• 1:06:03
  We signal to the world that we believe in A2 state solution and
• 1:06:09
  we build billions of dollars of infrastructure, roads,
• 1:06:13
  communities, which is in complete contradiction.
• 1:06:15
  I speak to Arabs on the ground every day and they tell me that
• 1:06:19
  they want Israel to come and give them citizenship.
• 1:06:21
  Like, like forget Palestinianism, A Palestinian
• 1:06:25
  state. They just want to exist.
• 1:06:27
  So that would be an example in Gaza, there was going on three
• 1:06:31
  years and we're still not in Gaza City.
• 1:06:33
  We should, we should be from the, the, the border to the sea
• 1:06:38
  from and we're not because of international pressure there.
• 1:06:42
  There are so many areas that it's on a societal level, the
• 1:06:46
  secular and the religious huge, like fighting.
• 1:06:50
  Well, for a second, for a second for for the in the Palestinian
• 1:06:53
  conflict, before we get to the the religious, not religious,
• 1:06:56
  which is important. What's the biggest argument in
• 1:06:57
  the Palestinian conflict? I didn't.
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  I didn't completely understand what.
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  You're saying about? You mean the biggest argument
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  against Israel? Yes.
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  I don't know if I'd say there's the.
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  It's hard to say what the biggest is.
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  I think one of the. Good one, surely?
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  One of the biggest, one of the biggest challenges that we face
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  is democracy, what it is to be a Jewish state under democracy,
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  which one would give. And so people constantly talk
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  about demographic majorities. That's an issue because how do
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  you ensure a Jewish majority? And Ireland, which has a large,
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  I have a population. So I think that's one of the
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  strongest challenges that I'm aware of that people make.
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  Is it at some point one of them may have to give you either a
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  democracy or you're Jewish unless you find some way of
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  controlling population quotas, which doesn't seem to us.
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  I think that's a strong challenge that they make.
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  I mean, we are a Jewish democracy at the moment, but in
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  50 years time they say Jude and Samaria is completely annexed.
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  I think that would that could pose a serious demographic
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  threat. I think Jude and Samaria is also
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  a very strong challenge. We signal to the world that we
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  are we preview pre pre October the 7th.
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  Let's say we signal to the world that we believed in A2 state
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  solution. Every Prime Minister of Israel
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  gave lip service to it. And yet we built up huge
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  infrastructure, huge communities and my Muslim neighbors that I
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  speak to every day when I'm in Judaism, maybe they they've very
• 1:08:40
  aware of the reality that these communities aren't going
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  anywhere. Anyone who goes to beta or
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  modinally knows that these communities are not going
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  anywhere. Anyone that drives the biblical
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  Hwy. Route 60 knows that this isn't
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  going anywhere. And so I think if Israel was
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  just honest and said that we've abandoned the two state
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  solution, let's find another way to coexist in the land, I think
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  that would be very beneficial for all parties.
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  Do you think that that we're that the reports are true that
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  there are Palestinians that are being mistreated and there is
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  brutality that's going on? Yeah, it's, it's a fringe of a
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  fringe. It's a fringe of a fringe.
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  But yes, absolutely. There were Israeli Jews that
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  have done horrible things to Palestinian Arabs, to Muslim
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  Arabs. Just say if you go to any nation
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  in the world, you will find members of its citizens that
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  have done erectus things. A few years ago there was a 16
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  year old Palestinian boy who was burned to death.
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  Burned to death because he was say he was from East Jerusalem.
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  So I don't know if I'd use the term Palestinian, but a
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  Jerusalemite Arab was murdered by Jewish extremists.
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  Like, yes, we have extremists. Yes, we're not.
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  I mean, we're not perfect people.
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  As you said. If we were, Mashek would be
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  here. And so yes, there are Jews that
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  have mistreated Arabs, but it gets blown out of all
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  proportion. As an example, you hear about
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  settler violence. That's the most one That seems
• 1:10:13
  to be the shift of where the battles move in as Gaza days
• 1:10:16
  down is around quietens as the Houthis just get back to eat in
• 1:10:20
  the Hut. The the the the the the conflict
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  is shifting to Judea and Samaria.
• 1:10:29
  When you hear Settle of island, settle of island, settle of
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  islands. The UN put out a report 8000
• 1:10:34
  Instances of settle of violence between 2016 and 2023 I.
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  Just I just want to. Write 2016 and 2023 around 8000,
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  just north of 8000. I'm going to cite some of those
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  examples. 16 percent 16% of settle of violence reported by
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  the United Nations as recorded by Regevium and all a very good
• 1:11:01
  organization who meticulously recalled what happens in Judea
• 1:11:05
  and Samaria I'm. Sorry, do they do they do they
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  still do that? Yeah, there's a Regevium is a
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  great organization if you want to understand what's going on in
• 1:11:15
  Judea and Samaria from to contradict the, the the the
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  mainstream Western narrative. That's not so important.
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  That sounds so critical. Yeah.
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  And and yet the EU just sanctioned them for doing that.
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  So it's yeah, it's so they're doing very, very important work.
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  And so they found 8000 examples, 16% of them, 16% were Jews
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  visiting Kaha by it. Now, I don't know what your
• 1:11:45
  position on Jews on the Temple Mount is, but ignoring
• 1:11:49
  halachically whether you're for or against them, ignoring that
• 1:11:53
  that is in no shape settler violence.
• 1:11:55
  They're also included in that 16% Palestinians or Jerusalem
• 1:11:59
  Arabs on of Muslims on the Temple Mount attacking the
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  security services. So again, that's not settler
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  violence by any stretch. Another 19% of them.
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  I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I don't even understand that one.
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  Meaning if a if a Jerusalemite Arab attacks a Jewish police
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  officer, that's settler violence.
• 1:12:18
  Yes, according to the United Nations.
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  Further, 19% of them were people trespassing.
• 1:12:27
  So you're a Jew, You go on a hike in Judea, you visit the
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  ancients. I One of the things I love doing
• 1:12:33
  with my kids is bringing to NAFTA life.
• 1:12:37
  Yeah, for sure. I lived in the UK and Judaism
• 1:12:40
  was distant. It was for a child very
• 1:12:44
  difficult to connect to here. You Start learning what you're
• 1:12:47
  sure. You Start learning about the
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  conquest. You can visit the cities.
• 1:12:50
  You go for a hike. Not only can you go and visit
• 1:12:52
  the sites, but you can dig around in the ground and find
• 1:12:55
  artifacts. Like near my house is a second
• 1:12:58
  temple period ruin. You can find little tiles of
• 1:13:01
  mosaics on the floor still to this day.
• 1:13:04
  But it just brings to night to life.
• 1:13:06
  If you are like me and you enjoy doing this, if you happen to
• 1:13:09
  wander into area BR, area A, up even Area C, the United Nations
• 1:13:14
  can record that a settle of violence.
• 1:13:17
  You haven't harmed anything. You haven't tore up an olive
• 1:13:20
  tree. You haven't thrown a stone at
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  somebody. You've simply walked in the
• 1:13:24
  footsteps of your ancestors. You're being violent.
• 1:13:28
  According to the United Nations, that's 20%.
• 1:13:30
  Another 20% was trespassing with damage to buildings or trees, or
• 1:13:39
  so you you accidentally stop an olive branch on a tree.
• 1:13:43
  Congratulations, you've participated in settler
• 1:13:46
  violence. And So what I'm doing with all
• 1:13:48
  of this is highlighting the mockery of these.
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  Now, are there Jews, we don't even know if they're settlers a
• 1:13:54
  lot of the time, But are there Jews, Israeli Jews in Judea and
• 1:13:58
  Samaria that have done bad things?
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  Yes, absolutely. Vigilante violence that one of
• 1:14:04
  the things I'm dead against, for instance, is price tagging.
• 1:14:06
  I think price tagging is a bad idea.
• 1:14:09
  Price tagging is the idea that if a terrorist murders a Jew and
• 1:14:14
  that terrorist comes from a particular village that has a
• 1:14:16
  bad reputation, then the village is going to pay a price.
• 1:14:21
  And so I think that's a terrible strategy because not everyone in
• 1:14:25
  that village is going to be guilty, deal with the person,
• 1:14:27
  the actual perpetrator. So there are there are examples
• 1:14:31
  of Israelis doing bad things in Judea and Samaria, but when you
• 1:14:35
  actually get into the numbers, they're so insignificant.
• 1:14:38
  Why is it front page news that a Jew has raised a flag in an
• 1:14:44
  abandoned building in Area C just east of Bethlehem?
• 1:14:49
  Why is that headline news when there's literally Christian
• 1:14:51
  villagers burned to the ground with children, beheaded and torn
• 1:14:55
  away and stolen, taken as slaves?
• 1:14:57
  That doesn't make the news. But a Jew raising a flag in a
• 1:14:59
  village, an abandoned building east of Jerusalem?
• 1:15:02
  That's the front page of the BBC.
• 1:15:05
  Nothing explains it other than the biblical narrative.
• 1:15:07
  There is a disproportionate focus on the Jewish people.
• 1:15:11
  And so, yes, to answer your question, there are Jews that do
• 1:15:14
  bad things in Jews and Samaria, but there they're a tiny, tiny,
• 1:15:18
  tiny percentage of our people. Thank God.
• 1:15:20
  I will say, will say that I really like what you just did,
• 1:15:23
  and I think that we should encourage our own to do the
• 1:15:25
  same. When there is settler violence.
• 1:15:27
  If there is, I don't know. When there isn't, there isn't.
• 1:15:29
  I don't know how to sift through news, but because there's so
• 1:15:32
  much disinformation, we should condemn it.
• 1:15:34
  We should absolutely condemn it because it is wrong.
• 1:15:37
  It's absolutely wrong. OK, so you know you invoked Ace
• 1:15:43
  of Sonas Yaakov right? The biblical narrative that we
• 1:15:46
  are going to be hated. Why are we?
• 1:15:48
  Why are we hated? You get you have contact with
• 1:15:50
  the say 5 hours on a daily basis.
• 1:15:52
  OK, So what? What is the why?
• 1:15:54
  Why do people hate us so much? So I should be asking you the
• 1:15:59
  question. You're more qualified than than
• 1:16:00
  I am certainly for that to give an answer.
• 1:16:02
  I want to hear your answer first.
• 1:16:04
  For my lived experience, it is the greatest reminder of who we
• 1:16:13
  are, what our mission is. So the Jewish reaction to
• 1:16:20
  genocide, the Jewish reaction to hate genuinely like the
• 1:16:23
  Holocaust is, is not to return kind with kind, but is to be a
• 1:16:29
  true or look, I'm a true light unto the nations.
• 1:16:32
  And when I was living in October the 7th, I was still living in
• 1:16:41
  Hosler. As I was living, I was still
• 1:16:43
  living outside of Israel. I was living in the UK, in
• 1:16:46
  London. And I witnessed family members,
• 1:16:50
  I witnessed hundreds of people that I knew that were completely
• 1:16:55
  secular suddenly starting to connect, suddenly starting to
• 1:16:58
  realize what it meant to be Jewish.
• 1:17:01
  So I think there are many reasons for anti-Semitism, but I
• 1:17:06
  think it all ties into the ultimate redemption, the the
• 1:17:10
  Meshif and the the Jewish return, the return of the Exiles
• 1:17:14
  to the land. There is no greater reminder of
• 1:17:20
  the significance of what it is to be Jewish than to have that
• 1:17:24
  ripped away from you. To, to, to experience the
• 1:17:27
  suffering that our people experienced on October the 7th.
• 1:17:30
  To experience the Holocaust. In the wake of the Holocaust, it
• 1:17:33
  gave birth to a religious movement that has now seen more
• 1:17:37
  Jews in education than ever before in our history.
• 1:17:42
  And they happen to be in Israel. The majority of them.
• 1:17:45
  We have more people learning Torah in Israel than the land of
• 1:17:48
  Israel in the way before Holocaust.
• 1:17:50
  Yeah. And I think there's a direct now
• 1:17:54
  I'm not for a second going to try and explain why the
• 1:17:58
  Holocaust happened is beyond any of our pay checks is.
• 1:18:04
  But what I would say in the wake of the Holocaust, we saw the
• 1:18:07
  return of the Jews to the land. We saw more Jews learning Torah
• 1:18:11
  than ever before. I think more than any generation
• 1:18:16
  before us, we could say that we are experiencing the prongs of
• 1:18:22
  the messianic, the birth prongs of the messianic era.
• 1:18:25
  It's from the nations that are involved to the the places that
• 1:18:31
  it's happening to, prophecies literally manifesting before our
• 1:18:35
  eyes, the desert blooming, the return of the Exiles.
• 1:18:40
  It says the Jews will know the Torah please God soon.
• 1:18:44
  But we have more Jews learning Torah than ever before.
• 1:18:47
  You could imagine very easily a world where you have it.
• 1:18:50
  For me a temple and how about it?
• 1:18:52
  So for me, anti-Semitism is is part of the divine plan.
• 1:19:01
  But I wouldn't possibly try to speculate as to what that word,
• 1:19:09
  what its function is, in the same way that I believe
• 1:19:11
  Christianity and Islam are part of the divine plan.
• 1:19:14
  Christianity and Islam have put the names of our great great
• 1:19:19
  grandfather Jacob on the tongues of billions of people with some
• 1:19:25
  little nomadic desert tribe from the Middle East.
• 1:19:28
  Yet everybody in the world knows who we are and so anti-Semitism
• 1:19:33
  has a function. I, I would hate to try and
• 1:19:38
  explain it away because it is beyond comprehension, but I
• 1:19:42
  think you can observe what happens after the Jews suffer
• 1:19:48
  the kind of traumas that we have suffered in our history.
• 1:19:51
  And the the the the most obvious ones been October 7th and the
• 1:19:55
  Holocaust to our generation and see the impact that's having on
• 1:19:59
  the Jewish people and on the world in general.
• 1:20:02
  I think in terms of a 'cause there's something very unique
• 1:20:05
  about the Jewish people and how they go about their identity.
• 1:20:09
  Number one, Jews are incredibly stubborn.
• 1:20:11
  OK, but that's not exactly yet you see, Christians and Muslims,
• 1:20:15
  they don't claim to be the chosen nation per SE.
• 1:20:19
  They claim to have the chosen way, right?
• 1:20:22
  Jews, we're very, very proud nation.
• 1:20:26
  We're proud of the fact that we are not.
• 1:20:27
  We don't. We didn't just choose the chosen
• 1:20:28
  way. We are the chosen people.
• 1:20:30
  God chose us. And there's a high bar for, for
• 1:20:33
  being accepted into our nation. It's incredibly difficult versus
• 1:20:36
  other religions. Growing up in Yeshiva and
• 1:20:39
  Talmudic academies, you know, my rabaeum, my rabbinical masters
• 1:20:43
  would always say, well, there's a midrash that says that the
• 1:20:47
  gentiles are going to be jealous of Jews.
• 1:20:50
  And I didn't completely understand that, but I think
• 1:20:53
  that this may be a part of it. You know, I think that we, we
• 1:20:56
  are proud of it. And I'm not necessarily sure
• 1:20:58
  that that's, that's a bad thing. We're honest.
• 1:21:00
  And, and I think that does absolutely cause a, you know, a
• 1:21:06
  jealousy. You not to come out and, and for
• 1:21:08
  people to really, to really have a problem with that.
• 1:21:11
  But I think that we lead by example, as you said, right?
• 1:21:14
  We lead by example. We show the truth, we show the
• 1:21:17
  right way, and eventually it's our acting as the paragon, which
• 1:21:21
  as you said is an Orla Guyam, that that brings a lot of
• 1:21:24
  amazing, amazing truths, truths to the world.
• 1:21:29
  OK, so we're nearing the end. There's only a couple questions
• 1:21:32
  that I have left for you, but what would you say is the most
• 1:21:35
  common misconception that Muslims have about Jews other
• 1:21:42
  than perhaps the one that you've very you know, you told us that
• 1:21:44
  in the Quran itself that says that Jews are allowed and
• 1:21:47
  supposed to be living in the Holy Land and vice versa.
• 1:21:50
  What do we as Jews not understand about Muslims?
• 1:21:58
  So I think one of the the biggest misconceptions about the
• 1:22:05
  Jewish people is actually what you touched on.
• 1:22:08
  It's to do with in that in the Quran, it says Fidel Tokum al I
• 1:22:12
  mean that we were preferred favored above other nations.
• 1:22:17
  And they read into that and arrogance.
• 1:22:22
  And it's a message which is kind of repeated throughout the Quran
• 1:22:26
  that were the killers of prophets that we were rebellious
• 1:22:29
  people. And they therefore think that
• 1:22:34
  this applies to all Jews for all time is a general if you were to
• 1:22:40
  go through the the various commentators who've written
• 1:22:44
  tafsir on the Quran who've written commentaries on the
• 1:22:47
  Quran, This tends to be the the pervasive theme that were this
• 1:22:51
  rebellious people that Allah the God abandoned because we
• 1:22:57
  abandoned God. And what they don't realize is
• 1:23:02
  that that's the same criticisms I found in the Torah I found in
• 1:23:08
  the Tanakh. These are criticisms that our
• 1:23:10
  own book makes of our answers. Not that all Jews for all time
• 1:23:14
  are, but in various generations there rose up bad kings.
• 1:23:18
  The the people weren't following the law as they should.
• 1:23:21
  And that's why prophets were sent.
• 1:23:22
  They were sent with a message to bring us back to the the law of
• 1:23:26
  Moses. And so I think one of the
• 1:23:28
  misconceptions that Muslims have is that that means that we were
• 1:23:35
  abandoned, that the the covenant was cancelled and that we are
• 1:23:40
  this accursed people as a consequence.
• 1:23:42
  We're not accursed people. And they're learning that to
• 1:23:46
  their detriment today because they keep rising up to to
• 1:23:50
  slaughterers and not they, but many Muslim armies keep doing
• 1:23:54
  this and losing. And so I think they
• 1:23:57
  misunderstand how Jews see ourselves, what it means to be
• 1:24:01
  of the, the seed of Jacob rather than Abraham, and what it means
• 1:24:09
  what the Quran is actually translate.
• 1:24:11
  Because the Quran is just a copy and paste of the Torah.
• 1:24:14
  And most of the critics, it kind of gets a few things wrong.
• 1:24:17
  But by and large, it tries to just repeat the, the biblical
• 1:24:21
  narrative. So much so it says that if
• 1:24:22
  Muhammad's having doubts he about the, the prophecies he's
• 1:24:26
  receiving, he should speak to the, the Jews for, for clarity,
• 1:24:30
  because we understand the prophecies, which is
• 1:24:33
  interesting. And so, and I think that's
• 1:24:36
  probably the biggest thing they get wrong is believing that we
• 1:24:39
  are accursed and abandoned people.
• 1:24:41
  Obviously, I don't believe that. I'm a religious Jew and I think
• 1:24:44
  we live in an age of incredible, but I thought incredible
• 1:24:49
  blessings. And so, yeah, I think that's the
• 1:24:52
  biggest misconception they have. What do we have wrong about
• 1:24:56
  them? I think one of the things that
• 1:25:10
  we we miss it depends who we is because I think different Jewish
• 1:25:19
  committee religious Jews will have a very different experience
• 1:25:22
  of the Muslim world to say progressive Jew living in
• 1:25:24
  America. And so first I think it you have
• 1:25:28
  to determine who the we is with that question because they will
• 1:25:33
  have very difficult a progressive Jew in America
• 1:25:36
  believes the the Islamic value system is completely compatible
• 1:25:44
  with the West. It clearly is not.
• 1:25:47
  They're, they're a big, I mean, one of the I make many videos
• 1:25:51
  with gays for Gaza. It's.
• 1:25:55
  Funny. No, and it's fascinating because
• 1:25:57
  they literally, they will tell you that the people in Gaza,
• 1:26:01
  Hamas, Islamic Jihad, they're just grateful that they've got
• 1:26:05
  allies in the West. And if they came into contact
• 1:26:07
  with them, they'd be made-up, tolerant, maybe they'd even
• 1:26:09
  incorporate the, the trans flag into the green Hamas flag.
• 1:26:15
  They spoke to us. So they have they, they get that
• 1:26:19
  wrong. I think as religious Jews, I, I
• 1:26:26
  actually don't think religious Jews get that much wrong about
• 1:26:30
  Muslims because I think most religious Jews don't know the
• 1:26:32
  first thing about Muslims. So it's.
• 1:26:35
  More like we can't get anything right.
• 1:26:37
  Yeah, it's just there's an incredible ignorance as to who
• 1:26:42
  Muslims are, what they believe. I, I, I think, I think one of
• 1:26:47
  the biggest things we get wrong is if you, if you do, if let's
• 1:26:51
  say, I'm not going to say all Jews, but there's a section of
• 1:26:53
  Jews that believe that Islam is completely incompatible or
• 1:26:57
  Muslims are incompletely incompatible with Jews that are
• 1:27:01
  terrorists. Is even or not even if they're
• 1:27:03
  all, if it's just 15% of the Muslims are the extremists,
• 1:27:08
  that's 150 million people. And I think that's the
• 1:27:15
  overwhelming majority of Muslims are actually quite ignorant to
• 1:27:19
  their faith, not quite incredibly in the same way that
• 1:27:22
  most Jews are. Do you speak to the average Jew?
• 1:27:25
  And I don't mean this to speak I'll of any Jew, but if you
• 1:27:27
  speak to the average Jew in America, they don't know the
• 1:27:31
  first thing about Judaism. You go to Tel Aviv, you'll find
• 1:27:35
  the exact. So the only thing, the only
• 1:27:37
  advantage with a Tel Aviv Jew of an American Jew is an American
• 1:27:40
  Jew thinks in American, A Tel Aviv Jew thinks in Hebrew.
• 1:27:43
  So at least he's thinking Jewish, but they can be just as
• 1:27:47
  ignorant to to the tradition. The same is true for most
• 1:27:50
  Muslims. I was I had a fascinating
• 1:27:52
  conversation the other day. I went to a Palestinian and Arab
• 1:27:55
  village in Judea and called Tabor and they had a distillery,
• 1:28:01
  a brewery there. And I was speaking to the the
• 1:28:04
  woman who, who was running the distillery.
• 1:28:07
  And I said, so who's who's your, your main customers?
• 1:28:11
  And she looked at me and said that them locals.
• 1:28:14
  I said, but aren't they all Muslim?
• 1:28:16
  It's just like, yeah, you've got to be a pretty lap savvy That's
• 1:28:21
  you've got basically eating, eating a bacon sandwich and then
• 1:28:24
  drinking a bottle of beer is the bacon sandwich is a bit worse,
• 1:28:27
  but the the bottle of beer is not far behind it.
• 1:28:30
  And so I think most Muslims are actually quite lapsed and quite
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  ignorant to their religion as a general rule.
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  I've had a good chunk of contact with, with Muslims here than
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  just me growing up, but but more than that, as I come from a
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  hybridized parenthood. So my, my mother's parents are
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  from Morocco, Casablanca and Fez.
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  So lots, lots of contact and lots of stories.
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  And I think that, I mean, there's one thing that I think
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  that the Western general gets wrong about Muslims and I'm
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  actually very an envious in a way that I think that they have
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  that, that we don't have enough of.
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  It's, it's their faith, it's their adherence to faith.
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  I think that's something that we absolutely could learn from our
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  Muslim brother. And, and what I mean by that is
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  that their their allegiance to what they believe in, even if at
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  times they believe the wrong thing, even according to their
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  own faith, their allegiance to what they believe is true is
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  really laudable. To take this to an extreme, I
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  did this once on the show. I got a lot of kickback.
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  I'll do it again because I still think it's true.
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  I hate Hamas, but there's one thing about them that I think
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  it's positive that they're willing to live in tunnels and
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  eat nothing and starve for what they believe in.
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  What if we did the same thing? What if we were just so, so
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  insanely focused on spreading God's word on, on doing the
• 1:29:47
  right thing that we'd be willing to to lose every single comfort
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  that we had in the world? I think that that's a really
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  beautiful thing. And so sometimes we feel, I
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  think again, the Western general, let's sit at the table,
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  let's make a negotiation. We forget that the person on the
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  other side of the table, it's not negotiation for some of
• 1:30:02
  that, for some of the things that they believe in.
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  You can't. There's no amount of money that
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  you're going to give them that's going to be able to make them
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  deviate from that which they believe.
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  So there has to be a respect for that in the West, but I think
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  there's it's not always understood.
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  So I would just say to correct you on one thing is we, we did,
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  we did live in, we did sacrifice and live in tunnels.
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  We just did it 2000 years ago during the back of revolt.
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  It was just 2000 years ahead of them.
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  That's all. We were in tunnels.
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  I say corrected. I accept that.
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  I accept that correction. I, I, I do agree with you.
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  I actually don't think it's even contradictory with what I was
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  saying to. I was saying that most Muslims
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  are lapsed. I've done it a couple of times.
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  I've asked Muslims, would you sacrifice your life for Masjid
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  Alexa, the Alexa mosque, the holy mosque in Sola?
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  Inshallah I get the honor and Sola, I get the the, the jihad
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  for for Alexa. And then I pull up an image and
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  say, can you point to it? And I have a few different
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  masjids and every single time they get it.
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  Wrong. They get.
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  It wrong willing to die for it, but they can't even recognize
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  the Masjid. And so I think that represents
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  like that that there is a certain Iman in in Arabic faith
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  that the the Muslims have that is envious or we should be
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  envious as the wrong word. We should.
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  We should aspire to, to, to be. Aspiration.
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  As as yeah, yeah, it should be. We should aspire to be as
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  faithful to to to the Torah, to Kaddish.
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  Bar who? You've been doing this for more
• 1:31:37
  than 10 years. Are you different?
• 1:31:38
  Is Joseph now different than the Joseph and you know, 2014 have?
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  Changed so I was left wing socialist anti Zionist when I
• 1:31:48
  first started I think and see that one.
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  Coming. Yeah, I'm not not hardcore, but
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  was very, very sympathetic to the Palestinian cause, was more
• 1:31:59
  familiar with Chomsky and the Lakes or the arguments they
• 1:32:02
  would use. And so, yeah, I, I've been on
• 1:32:07
  quite a journey. So 10 years ago wasn't secular,
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  but a few years before that completely secular as well.
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  So yeah. Or maybe not ten years ago,
• 1:32:17
  let's say 15 years ago. 10 years is too soon.
• 1:32:20
  So what this this fight has made you more sensitive to your
• 1:32:23
  faith, more nuanced? It's more than anything has made
• 1:32:29
  me realize the the value of my faith.
• 1:32:33
  What's the point of so you touched on it before you said
• 1:32:37
  the Well, we said that the Jewish people have accomplished
• 1:32:40
  a great deal. They've accomplished a great
• 1:32:44
  deal because of the faith. It's the faith is the Torah
• 1:32:47
  that's shaped who we are and preserved who we are.
• 1:32:52
  And I think that's the if you remove if you remove that, there
• 1:32:57
  is no value to being Jewish. It's just an ethnicity.
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  It's just your your DNA, your genetics.
• 1:33:05
  And I actually the legacy of Yaakov of you know, isn't the
• 1:33:09
  blood isn't that we descend from a great man.
• 1:33:12
  It's the tradition that this people has preserved and the
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  impact that's had on on humanity.
• 1:33:20
  And there's many people that have impacted humanity in a
• 1:33:22
  positive way. But I happen to belong to the
• 1:33:25
  Jewish people. So that's what I'm touching on.
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  And so, yeah, I think without without that, with that, there
• 1:33:34
  isn't any purpose to being Jewish.
• 1:33:36
  It's the religious aspect that shaped the culture, that's
• 1:33:42
  preserved the people and that's shape the culture, which has
• 1:33:48
  shaped humanity. So yeah, there's tremendous
• 1:33:50
  value in being religious. And I didn't recognize that
• 1:33:53
  growing up because I was released with raised with the
• 1:33:56
  tradition that religion is the opiate of the masses.
• 1:34:00
  And I sincerely believe that. And it was Rambam and ironically
• 1:34:04
  A Reformed rabbi who woke me up to to be more purpose to to life
• 1:34:10
  than just a secular existence. I think you're one of the few
• 1:34:13
  people that can claim that are a former rabbi having
• 1:34:15
  conversations with neo Nazis and Muslims who wanted to kill you
• 1:34:18
  made you more religious. To you.
• 1:34:22
  It's quite a crime of fame. It's quite a crime of fame.
• 1:34:25
  Jews living outside of a Verticeville, living outside of
• 1:34:29
  the land of Israel. You know, it looks so bleak.
• 1:34:32
  Is there? Is there really hope?
• 1:34:33
  Perhaps there is because as you said, that trend might be
• 1:34:36
  changing in a bit. But what do you see going
• 1:34:38
  forward in the West and the East?
• 1:34:40
  Is there is there hope for Jews outside or is this the time to
• 1:34:43
  come back in? I mean, what I would encourage
• 1:34:45
  you is to get ahead of the curve and just if you can, if it's
• 1:34:48
  within your means, return home. It's the best thing that my
• 1:34:53
  family's done. It's it sounds a really weird
• 1:34:59
  thing to say given the content that I make.
• 1:35:03
  But I barely pay attention to politics, politics outside of
• 1:35:07
  Israel today. And that's because it seems like
• 1:35:14
  you're investing energy into something that's ultimately
• 1:35:18
  futile. The Jews are going to return
• 1:35:20
  home. anti-Semitism. It was going to spike is maybe
• 1:35:24
  we'll get better for a while, but it will rise up again.
• 1:35:27
  And if it's not you, it's your children.
• 1:35:30
  But ultimately, we're all going to leave.
• 1:35:33
  It'll go nation by nation. I believe maybe France is the
• 1:35:36
  first may be followed by the UK, but it will become unbearable.
• 1:35:41
  I, I the best example actually is the the Muslim world.
• 1:35:44
  There used to be a million Jews in the Muslim world, 850,000 in
• 1:35:47
  the Arab world. Now I don't know.
• 1:35:51
  I don't know American synagogue, so I'm not going to try.
• 1:35:53
  But let's say there's probably more don't know.
• 1:35:56
  Probably there is certainly more Jews in a random Lakewood
• 1:35:59
  synagogue than the entire Arab world combined.
• 1:36:04
  And the only thing that's propping up the numbers in the
• 1:36:07
  Arab world really is Morocco. They've got like 2 to 3000 Jews
• 1:36:10
  still left there. And Emirates has a few growing
• 1:36:14
  community. But by and large, the Jews have
• 1:36:17
  fled the Muslim world. Why?
• 1:36:19
  Because anti Zionism became mainstream.
• 1:36:22
  Anti Zionism, when it becomes a mainstream political platform,
• 1:36:28
  the fate of the Jews is not good.
• 1:36:32
  It's not good that the Jews will flee and that's going to happen
• 1:36:35
  in Western nations. I believe in the UK you had
• 1:36:39
  politicians elected on a purely, purely anti Zionist platform.
• 1:36:45
  I think there's nine MPs. When you've got politicians in
• 1:36:49
  the West elected because they're anti Zionist, the fate, the
• 1:36:53
  future is not looking good for Jews.
• 1:36:55
  So I think just get ahead of the curve while you can still afford
• 1:36:59
  a property in Israel. Yeah, You know, if you've got a
• 1:37:03
  big house in America, trade it in for small apartments in
• 1:37:06
  Jerusalem. Well, I mean, I would, I would
• 1:37:09
  recommend for your listeners and my listeners, there's a
• 1:37:12
  wonderful book that I read once that talks about the importance
• 1:37:16
  of, of the land of Israel, you know, to Jews.
• 1:37:20
  You know, if you're comfortable, I would, you know, if you can
• 1:37:22
  promote it to your own audience as well.
• 1:37:24
  But it's the Old Testament, the only Testament.
• 1:37:27
  God doesn't stop talking about it, neither does Moses.
• 1:37:29
  I would encourage people to read it.
• 1:37:31
  I mean, it's all about three things.
• 1:37:32
  It's all about Torah, the Temple, and the Land of Israel.
• 1:37:36
  So you can't really remove one of those pillars and expect that
• 1:37:39
  chair to stand. It's not going to happen.
• 1:37:41
  No, it's, it's a great book. I I also endorse it.
• 1:37:43
  I read it every week. It's fantastic.
• 1:37:48
  You touched on the last topic that I wanted to ask you about.
• 1:37:51
  Is it possible to be anti Zionist and not anti Jewish?
• 1:37:57
  Or because we both know that that anti Zionist are not anti
• 1:38:00
  Jewish not anti-Semitic Is is this excuse that the West is
• 1:38:04
  using to just hate Jews right you?
• 1:38:06
  I think you mentioned even before.
• 1:38:07
  Is it possible to have someone that's just anti Israel not anti
• 1:38:10
  Jewish today? So yes, but not anti Zionist.
• 1:38:13
  So you could be anti the state of Israel, you could be anti all
• 1:38:16
  states if you're an anarchist and you want to see the
• 1:38:18
  abolition of all nation states. And I'm not going to call you an
• 1:38:21
  anti. So you say, Mike, as you want to
• 1:38:24
  treat Israel the same way you treat every other nation.
• 1:38:27
  But if you single out Israel and only Israel because they've been
• 1:38:34
  anti Zionist, just so everyone knows where as you believe that
• 1:38:36
  the Jews should not have a state in this land.
• 1:38:40
  If you've seen it, then I, I think it's impossible.
• 1:38:42
  That is by definition and designers because you're saying
• 1:38:45
  all these are the people, including the Palestinians are
• 1:38:48
  worthy of a state, but the Jews now.
• 1:38:51
  So I don't think you can be, you could be anti government
• 1:38:53
  policies, but if you're looking to exclusively call for the
• 1:38:57
  abolition of the world's only Jewish state, I, I, I think that
• 1:39:01
  is synonymous with anti-Semitism.
• 1:39:05
  So much so I years ago made a video with anarchists for
• 1:39:11
  Palestine. Like make that sense.
• 1:39:13
  I think it means the abolition of states.
• 1:39:16
  You're so undesigned as that you want to see the Palestinian
• 1:39:19
  state built in place of the Jewish 1.
• 1:39:21
  So yeah, I I think anti Zionism is just a synonym for
• 1:39:26
  anti-Semitism. It's just the acceptable face.
• 1:39:28
  You can't say. And is it, it's even more now.
• 1:39:31
  I mean, they just talk about the Talmud all day and all night.
• 1:39:36
  And there was what the is it? What is some verse firm son
• 1:39:42
  Hedren got to do with your opposition to the Netanyahu
• 1:39:46
  government? There's there's no connection
• 1:39:48
  there. And so depending on the business
• 1:39:52
  and Hedren, maybe there is a connection, but with the ones
• 1:39:54
  that they're quoting, there isn't.
• 1:39:57
  And so, yeah, I. I I think anti Zionism is just a
• 1:40:04
  synonym for anti-Semitism. It's the acceptable face.
• 1:40:08
  Yeah, I'd agree with you. And by the way, I on the, on the
• 1:40:10
  Talmudic point, I, I feel bad for gentiles because if you're a
• 1:40:13
  Jew quoting any passage from the Talmud, it's so difficult
• 1:40:17
  because it's it's the whole thing is in riddles.
• 1:40:19
  So even as Jews have to sit for hours and really, you know,
• 1:40:22
  philosophize, if we're really good to true, you know, meaning
• 1:40:25
  of anything. Anyway, Joseph, what would you
• 1:40:27
  like to leave our listeners with?
• 1:40:29
  What message would you like people to know?
• 1:40:33
  The writings on the wall come home.
• 1:40:36
  Beautiful Joseph, I am so thankful for you being with us
• 1:40:39
  here today and sharing your wisdom.
• 1:40:41
  Everyone Israel, Advocacy, advocacy, what's I think there's
• 1:40:44
  one more work. Movement, Movement.
• 1:40:46
  Joseph Cohen, you're. Fine everyone.
• 1:40:49
  Everyone should look Joseph up. Joseph and I are both asking
• 1:40:52
  every single person. Don't let the propaganda and
• 1:40:54
  just stay out there with no voice.
• 1:40:57
  OK, let's fight, let's show the truth.
• 1:40:59
  Let's all come together. Let's really try to show more
• 1:41:02
  God in this world. And together we'll bring them
• 1:41:04
  aside and have Amina quickly in our days.
• 1:41:07
  Amen. Thank you very much, Joseph.
• 1:41:09
  Be well.