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  Speaker 1: The Joe Rogan Experience.
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  Speaker 2: Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night. All day.
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  Speaker 2: How are you, sir? Pleasure to meet you.
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  Speaker 1: It's great to be here. Thanks for having me. Great
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  Speaker 1: to be back in Texas.
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  Speaker 2: I'm glad we finally did this.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, me too.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to do it the first go around.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. Well, when I got the invitation, we
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  Speaker 1: were in the middle of the election. And we just
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  Speaker 1: don't leave the country during election campaigns.
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  Speaker 2: I get it.
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  Speaker 1: And the problem we've had is we can't get you
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  Speaker 1: to come to Canada. And so we've actually hatched a
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  Speaker 1: full strategy to get you into Canada because we think
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  Speaker 1: it's going to do big things for our tourism numbers.
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  Speaker 1: So do you mind if I present you with something
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  Speaker 1: right out of the gate?
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  Speaker 2: Sure. All right.
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  Speaker 1: This is from a gunsmith and machinist in Calgary, Alberta.
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  Speaker 1: His name is Jay. And he's designed this kettlebell. Guess
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  Speaker 1: what the weight is.
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  Speaker 2: 70 pounds. 70 pounds.
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  Speaker 1: That's the weight you have. And it says on the
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  Speaker 1: front here, Jamie, it says here on the front, Jamie,
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  Speaker 1: pull it up. We've got, uh, you see here some
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  Speaker 1: other stuff, uh, for a stand.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. That's really cool.
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  Speaker 1: Look at this stand here. So we've got seeing is believing,
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  Speaker 1: which I think was the slogan of the first UFC
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  Speaker 1: that you were the commentator for. I think it was
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  Speaker 1: number 13, 12, number 12. And then we've got here
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  Speaker 1: your favorite quote from, um, what's his name? The Japanese, uh,
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  Speaker 1: martial artist.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: And it says, If you know the way broadly, you
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  Speaker 1: will see it in everything.
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  Speaker 2: So that's here.
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  Speaker 1: And then Morse code, there's a thank you letter for you.
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  Speaker 1: You've got your flying saucer and we've got your logo
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  Speaker 1: here too. So, but most important of all, we've got
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  Speaker 1: a subliminal message, which is the Canadian maple leaf. So
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  Speaker 1: every time you do a kettlebell swing, you do a snatch,
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  Speaker 1: you do a clean, you're going to be seeing that
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  Speaker 1: maple leaf, and you're going to be reminding yourself that
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  Speaker 1: you need to come back to Canada.
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  Speaker 2: All right.
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  Speaker 1: All right. I'll present that to you.
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  Speaker 3: There.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much. Very cool. Is that in the way, Jamie?
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  Speaker 1: I can take it off. We'll take it off. So
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  Speaker 1: I saw your interview with Pavel. I'm a big kettlebell freak.
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  Speaker 2: Are you really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. And I started researching him after you had
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  Speaker 1: him on. And I was trying to, I love history.
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  Speaker 1: So I was thinking, why did the Russians come up
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  Speaker 1: with this? And it turns out they used it as
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  Speaker 1: a counterweight at the farmer markets. So they would say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you come in, you have to say, this
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  Speaker 1: is how much potatoes you're buying. But instead of trying
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  Speaker 1: to do it by eyeball, they would put what is
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  Speaker 1: now kettlebell on one side of the scale and then
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  Speaker 1: the produce on the other. And then at the farmer's expeditions,
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  Speaker 1: you had these big Russian farmers who want to show
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  Speaker 1: how strong they were. So they would pick them up
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  Speaker 1: and do all kinds of um, displays with them. And then,
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  Speaker 1: then the Russian army took it on, the Soviet army
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  Speaker 1: took it on. And then that's where Pavel picked it
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  Speaker 1: up and then brought it over the Atlantic and introduced
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  Speaker 1: it to America. Wow.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy. So it was just accidental that they made
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  Speaker 2: this very functional tool for fitness.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. It was, it was just, you'd go to a
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  Speaker 1: farmer's market. You want to buy some barley or some potatoes,
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  Speaker 1: but you don't know if you're actually getting the real weight.
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  Speaker 1: So they'd have a scale, a balancing scale, and they'd
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  Speaker 1: put the kettlebell on one side and the produce on
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  Speaker 1: the other, and then you knew you got the right amount.
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  Speaker 1: And then, of course, they have these big farmers' farm fairs,
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  Speaker 1: and they're showing off their horses and their cattle and stuff,
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  Speaker 1: and they'd want to do strength displays. So these farmers
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  Speaker 1: are throwing these things around, and the Russian military picked
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  Speaker 1: it up, and then the Soviets, of course, took over,
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  Speaker 1: and they took it on. And then Pavel, I think
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  Speaker 1: he was a Belarusian, though, if I'm not mistaken. Pavel. Setsulin?
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  Speaker 1: And he brought it over to North America. But the
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  Speaker 1: ancient Chinese did it as well.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the ancient Chinese. The Shaolin monks have used them.
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  Speaker 1: But they didn't do it with cast iron. Theirs were
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  Speaker 1: sort of a concrete block. And they did it for
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  Speaker 1: strength training as well.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, wow. A little history.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm a big kettlebell freak. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: And I really started to study what Pavel was teaching.
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  Speaker 1: I think he has an accreditation or something. If I
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  Speaker 1: ever get time, I might take it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, strong firsts. Yeah, that's his organization.
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  Speaker 1: And you have a whole program, I think. You do
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  Speaker 1: clean to press and then.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I do a bunch of different things.
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  Speaker 1: Squats with overhead squat and all that.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great functional tool just for your whole body. Right.
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  Speaker 2: It's really one of the best pieces of exercise equipment
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  Speaker 2: I think I've ever found.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he calls it a cannonball on a handle.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing I like about it is it's like
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  Speaker 1: a catapult, like it. All of the lift is in
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  Speaker 1: that instant where it flips over your hand.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, so these are the original ones. Wow, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: That's so interesting. So the handle was just to pick
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  Speaker 2: it up and carry it around. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: So it had a real functional use.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's just amazing how good it is for a
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  Speaker 2: piece of exercise equipment that was accidentally designed that way.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And I think it's far superior to... to a
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  Speaker 1: dumbbell exercise because there's no, uh, a dumbbell, you get a,
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  Speaker 1: you get a consistent lift, but that's not real life.
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  Speaker 1: If you're in a fight or you have to pick
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  Speaker 1: something up heavy, it doesn't lift consistently. It's, it's explosive
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  Speaker 1: in that small range. And when, you know, when you're
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  Speaker 1: doing a snatch, by the time you get up to
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  Speaker 1: your shoulder, the thing's weightless because the catapult, the catapult
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  Speaker 1: effect has taken over. And now it's actually negative weights,
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  Speaker 1: lifting your hand up in the air, if you're doing
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  Speaker 1: it right. But Like if you're in a fight or
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  Speaker 1: if you're in a wrestling match or you're trying to
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  Speaker 1: push really hard against a heavy object, it's all about
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  Speaker 1: explosive power. And that's what kettlebells give rather than just
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  Speaker 1: this sort of freeze and contract thing that you do
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  Speaker 1: with dumbbells.
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  Speaker 2: Have you always been a workout guy?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I was big into sports until my mid-teens.
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  Speaker 1: I was on the wrestling team. I wasn't great. I
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  Speaker 1: was good, but I wasn't great. Then I got a
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  Speaker 1: wicked tendonitis in my shoulder. And it ended my athleticism
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  Speaker 1: for like four years. And that's how I got into politics.
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  Speaker 1: I was so bored. I got to get home from school.
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  Speaker 1: I had nothing to do. So I took my, I
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  Speaker 1: told my mother.
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  Speaker 2: Tendonitis got you into politics?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it was. I just couldn't get rid
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  Speaker 1: of it. Like every time I thought I had it beat,
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  Speaker 1: I'd go in and I'd train and it would be
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  Speaker 1: full of inflammation. No one could do anything about it.
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  Speaker 1: And so I was like bored out of my mind.
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  Speaker 1: And I said to my mom, like, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: go to these local meetings with the conservative association, like
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  Speaker 1: take me to that because. I'm going crazy.
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  Speaker 2: That's nuts. Yeah. So what were you interested in when
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  Speaker 2: you first went there? Like we just didn't like the
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  Speaker 2: way things were running. Like what was it about it
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  Speaker 2: that got you so curious?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I grew up in a suburban neighborhood in south
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  Speaker 1: end of Calgary. My folks were teachers. I was adopted.
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  Speaker 1: My mom was a 16-year-old. She was obviously a single mom.
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  Speaker 1: She put me up for adoption to two school teachers.
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  Speaker 1: There was electricians and oil workers and police officers who
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  Speaker 1: lived on our street. Normal, hardworking, good folks. And I
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  Speaker 1: always grew up with the impression they were getting screwed
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  Speaker 1: over and that the government didn't listen to people like them,
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  Speaker 1: didn't listen to people who grew up on streets like ours.
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  Speaker 1: And living in Western Canada, there was a greater sense
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  Speaker 1: of that. We called it Western alienation at the time.
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  Speaker 1: And there was this guy, kind of a quirky guy,
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  Speaker 1: but a really brilliant guy named Preston Manning. And I
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  Speaker 1: saw this billboard of him and he had his fist
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  Speaker 1: up and it said enough. And I said, yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: like that guy. So I got involved in politics and
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  Speaker 1: I started reading about different things. I started, I read
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  Speaker 1: a biography on Fidel Castro and then I read. Justin's dead. No,
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  Speaker 1: not Justin's dead. No, no, no, no. His dad was Pierre.
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  Speaker 1: His dad was Pierre. His dad was Pierre. I had
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  Speaker 1: issues with Pierre Trudeau too.
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  Speaker 2: It is a great conspiracy theory though.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it is a hell of a, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: it's a true one though. His dad is Pierre. His
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  Speaker 1: dad was very controversial while I grew up because he
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  Speaker 1: did a lot of damage to the oil sector and
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  Speaker 1: we're from oil country. And so that was one of
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  Speaker 1: the things that I felt kind of resentful about the
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  Speaker 1: national government. And one of the reasons I got involved
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  Speaker 1: is because the West deserved a fairer deal. But I
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  Speaker 1: read a lot of books like Milton Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom,
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  Speaker 1: and I came to develop a philosophy based on just
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  Speaker 1: maximizing personal, financial, religious freedom. Let people make their own decisions.
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  Speaker 1: And that animated me to get involved in politics and
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  Speaker 1: fight for that, and I've been doing it ever since.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's a fascinating transition from wrestling and tendonitis.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Deeply involved in politics. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, you're a sports guy. If
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  Speaker 1: you had suffered an injury that took you out of
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  Speaker 1: Taekwondo when you were young and you simply couldn't compete
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  Speaker 1: at anything, you'd probably be looking for some other adventure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we're lucky that stem cells weren't around back then,
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  Speaker 2: or you never would have gotten into politics.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. I would have been a wrestler. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if I would have won any awards, but, uh,
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  Speaker 1: but yeah, that, that was how I got started. And
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  Speaker 1: And I got very active very quickly. I got my
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  Speaker 1: first internship making 600 bucks a month when I was
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  Speaker 1: 16 or 17 years old. And I would take two
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  Speaker 1: trains and a bus in an hour and 45 minutes
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  Speaker 1: each way. But I was so thrilled. My dad bought
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  Speaker 1: me a used suit and a used pair of shoes.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought, this is so incredible. I'm an important guy.
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  Speaker 1: I wear dress shoes. I wear a tie. Didn't matter
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  Speaker 1: that the tie was bought from some dead guy whose
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  Speaker 1: family had sold it to a used store. But that
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  Speaker 1: was my start.
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  Speaker 2: I loved it. Well, I'm really excited to have you
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  Speaker 2: in here because I've seen you speak multiple times and
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  Speaker 2: you're a very reasonable, intelligent person that makes a lot
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  Speaker 2: of sense. And that is a rare thing in politics.
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  Speaker 2: And I love Canada. Like, I just say, I don't
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  Speaker 2: go up there anymore, but it's because I think the
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  Speaker 2: government went horribly wrong over the last, you know, X
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  Speaker 2: amount of years. But the people are amazing. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: I was always, I've always said that Canada has like,
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  Speaker 2: it's like America with like 20% less assholes. Like every
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  Speaker 2: time I would go up there, I'm like, people are
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  Speaker 2: so nice. They're the nicest people. And I think that's
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  Speaker 2: part of what went wrong for Canada is that people
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  Speaker 2: are rule followers of And, you know, they're trusting and
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  Speaker 2: kind people. And, you know, this wolf in sheep's clothing
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  Speaker 2: snuck in and, you know, was pretending he was a
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  Speaker 2: sweet guy and passing all these crazy laws. And just
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  Speaker 2: when we saw what happened with COVID, with just with
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  Speaker 2: what happened with the truckers and people's accounts getting shut
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  Speaker 2: down for donating to the truckers, like the whole thing
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  Speaker 2: was so concerning because it's hard. Canada was like a
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  Speaker 2: part of America almost. I mean, you're a different country,
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  Speaker 2: but it's like, you used to be able to go
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  Speaker 2: over there with just a driver's license. You know, it
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  Speaker 2: was like, it was such a cool place. I started
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  Speaker 2: going to the Montreal Comedy Festival in like 1993. I
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  Speaker 2: loved it up there. It's like one of my favorite
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  Speaker 2: places to visit.
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  Speaker 1: Just for laughs?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Good.
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  Speaker 1: How's your French?
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  Speaker 2: Not good.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. We'll work on that. We'll get you some French lessons.
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  Speaker 2: It's terrible. I don't know any French words. My wife
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  Speaker 2: is learning French though. It's interesting. She's got this app
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  Speaker 2: that she's learning French. But it's just an amazing place.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great country. And to see it go the
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  Speaker 2: way it's been going and sliding the way it's been
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  Speaker 2: happening over the last X amount of years, there's just
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  Speaker 2: so many things that concern me. One of the things
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  Speaker 2: that really concerns me is this assisted suicide thing. Had
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  Speaker 2: one in 20 deaths in Canada is now assisted suicide.
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  Speaker 2: That's insane.
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  Speaker 1: Well, listen, my view is that people should have the choice.
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  Speaker 1: But the concern we have is the suggestion that it
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  Speaker 1: would be offered to kids or offered to people whose
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  Speaker 1: only condition is mental illness.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: My concern as well. I mean, if someone's got a terminal,
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  Speaker 2: like a good friend of mine went to Oregon to
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  Speaker 2: end his life because he had ALS. But I mean,
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  Speaker 2: he was gone. I mean, he could barely talk at
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  Speaker 2: the end of his life. His name is Michael Lehrer.
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  Speaker 2: He was a regular guest on Kill Tony. Great guy.
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  Speaker 2: And it was horrible. I mean, watching him fade away
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  Speaker 2: and he wanted to go out on his own terms.
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  Speaker 2: So he went to Oregon for assisted suicide. There's a
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  Speaker 2: place for it. But I mean, there was a kid
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  Speaker 2: recently in Canada and he did it for seasonal depression.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure you're aware of that case. Like who allowed
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  Speaker 2: that to happen? Who didn't counsel this young guy? Who
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  Speaker 2: didn't give him a hug? Who didn't tell them about
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  Speaker 2: diet and exercise and changing your surroundings, your lifestyle, and
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  Speaker 2: just do something to give you some hope and happiness?
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  Speaker 2: Seasonal depression?
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  Speaker 3: Really?
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  Speaker 2: You're going to end your life, this beautiful life on
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  Speaker 2: this planet, for seasonal depression? That's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: That's why we have to do more to give people
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  Speaker 1: hope when they're suffering with mental illness. Give people the
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  Speaker 1: sense that they can take back control of their lives.
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  Speaker 1: I think we do have to promote fitness more because
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  Speaker 1: it gives people hope. It turns them into a subject
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  Speaker 1: that controls their surroundings rather than an object being controlled.
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  Speaker 1: It teaches people that hardship is temporary and that the
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: aftermath is positive. And we have to give people, reinstill
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  Speaker 1: people with a sense of meaning when they're going through
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: hardship rather than to say that it's all over. And,
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: you know, I think we have to, our system needs
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  Speaker 1: to be geared towards giving people all the best options
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  Speaker 1: to live on. rather than just suggesting made as the easy,
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  Speaker 1: as the, as the automatic path for the system to
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  Speaker 1: impose on people. So one of the things our party
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  Speaker 1: is pushing for is to make clear that public servants
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  Speaker 1: who are getting phone calls from people who are in
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  Speaker 1: need of help for something, they shouldn't be offering that
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  Speaker 1: they shouldn't be offering made. People can seek it out
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  Speaker 1: if they want, but when you're calling up saying I'm
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  Speaker 1: poor or I'm struggling, or I'm having a mental illness,
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  Speaker 1: or I've got an injury, we shouldn't have a government
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  Speaker 1: worker saying, well, consider MAID.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the unfortunate thing is that any organization that gets
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  Speaker 2: formed wants to grow. And you get financial incentives, and
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: then you hire more people, and then it gets bigger,
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  Speaker 2: and then what do you have to do? Well, you
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: have to keep doing what you're doing. Exactly. What are
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  Speaker 2: you doing? You're killing people. So you're going to kill
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  Speaker 2: more people because you're actually... financially incentivized to put more
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  Speaker 2: people through this program and end their lives. That's very sad.
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  Speaker 1: I think we have to get to a point where
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  Speaker 1: people have the freedom to make their own decisions, but
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  Speaker 1: they also have hope that there is an option for them.
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  Speaker 2: Give them a pathway. The exercise thing, it's not just
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  Speaker 2: give them control of their life. It makes them happier.
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  Speaker 2: There's been studies that show it's much more effective than antidepressants.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. First of all, there's the physiological side. which affects
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  Speaker 1: the brain, but it's also the sensation of discomfort that
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: you push through knowing that you have to focus on
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: the thing you have to do. And, uh, that I
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: think it helps us in anything we're encountering, whether you're
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: going through a divorce or a bankruptcy or an injury
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  Speaker 1: or an illness, if you know that pushing through to
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  Speaker 1: the other side, because you've got a meaning there that
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  Speaker 1: can give people hope for, for, for a better life.
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  Speaker 1: You know, my favorite psychologist is, uh, Victor Frankl, Victor Frankl,
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  Speaker 1: And he developed this Lagos treatment, which was basically giving
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  Speaker 1: people a sense of meaning. He survived the Holocaust in
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  Speaker 1: the concentration camp because he had a sense of meaning
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  Speaker 1: that he wanted to, his book was stolen from him
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: in the concentration camp about this theory. And he wanted
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: to live on so he could survive and write that book.
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: And then he found in his teaching that It wasn't
• 16:27
  Speaker 1: so much people's circumstances that determined their happiness. It was
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: whether they had a meaning in life. And he tells
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: this incredible story of a group therapy session where he
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: had this very rich woman who was married to a
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: very rich man. And he had next to him another
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: lady who was living in terrible poverty. She'd lost a
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: son and had a second severely disabled son. And he
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: said to both of them, what will your life look
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: like when you're 80 years old and you're on your deathbed?
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: And the wealthier lady said, well, I will look back
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: and think that I had some fun and enjoyed the
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: luxuries of being very wealthy and having an easy life,
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: that there wasn't a lot of meaning to it. And
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: whereas the mother who was struggling with a disabled child
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: and had lost another one said, well, I gave my
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: first child a great life, a short one, but a
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: great one. I struggled to give my disabled child a good,
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: dignified existence, and I leave this world satisfied and happy
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: that my life had purpose and meaning. And the lesson
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I take from that is that it is not about
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: whether you have a gazillion dollars or whether your life
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: is easy. It's whether you have some meaning to invest
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: your life into. And I think we have to infuse
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: people's lives with meaning so that they can live a
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: good life.
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a great message. And I think that's one
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: of the most important parts of being a leader is
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: having a great message and having a great philosophy and
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: having a great perspective. And I mean, that's what disturbed
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: me the most about when Trudeau was running the country
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: that I didn't feel like that. I felt like he
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: was manipulating people with woke politics and ideology and that
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: it was just this weird slippery slope that people were
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: falling down where they're losing rights and you're losing your
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: ability to express yourself. And it just, it just really
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: disturbed me because I always felt that Canada was like
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: one of the freest places and one of the most
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: open-minded places. And it just, I didn't understand how it
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: could fall so quickly.
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: We still, you know, we are a free country and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: we are a democracy. We have preserved that. You know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: my leader, I had this funny moment when Joe Biden
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: came to Parliament Hill and I said, Mr. President, I'm
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Pierre Polyev. I'm the leader of His Majesty's loyal opposition.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: And he said, loyal opposition? How can you be loyal
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: and opposition at the same time? It's like, what the
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: hell are you talking about? And because you guys have
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: a system based on the Republic, whereas ours is the
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: British system and in our system, but the opposition is
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: an act of loyalty. That's what our system means that
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: if you are opposing the government, you're doing it out
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: of loyalty to the good of the people and our
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: house of commons, you have a half circle in your Congress.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: We have two sides in our parliament. It's two and
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: a half sword lengths apart because they used to literally
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: kill each other in the old English days. But the
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: idea is the opposition is to prosecute the hell out
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: of the government, make the mighty low. The most powerful
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: people in the country are supposed to tremble every time
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: they walk in that place because every mistake they made,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: every abuse of power, every corruption they might have done
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: can be exposed and in front of all eyes. So
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: our system is really designed to constrain the power of
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: government through what we call parliament. Like I don't work
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: for government. I work for parliament and parliament works for
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: the people. We call it the house of commons. because the,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: it's the house of the common people. It's green in
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: there because they used to meet in the, in the
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: fields of England. And so I really view the world
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: of our parliament to limit the power of government, to
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: maximize the power of the people, make people bigger, stronger,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: and more fulfilled by having the government narrowly focus on the,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: on the things it's supposed to do. roads, military, basic
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: social safety net, borders, police, et cetera, but then leave
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: people alone to live their lives. If I were to
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: start a political party from scratch, it would be the
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: mind your own damn business party. You know, just get
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: the government to do its job well, do four or
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: five things really well, and then let people live their lives.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Well, that sounds very reasonable. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, anybody
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: that doesn't go along with that, anybody that's opposed to that,
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: that doesn't even make sense.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: No, look, I, Like I said, the way I grew
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: up and everything I've seen ever since, when I talk
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: to farmers or factory workers, electricians, I find they know
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: just as much or more than the so-called experts I
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: encounter on Parliament Hill. Like back during COVID when all
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: these governments were printing money and all the politicians and
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: bankers said, oh, this is great. Look at all this
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: money we get to spend. I walk around communities and
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I'd have like mechanics say, you know, we're going to
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: have inflation. And I would say, yeah, it makes sense
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: to me. And I'd go back to Parliament Hill and
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: the experts would all say, no, no, there's not going
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: to be any inflation. And sure enough, all that money
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: filtered into the economy, bid up all the goods we buy,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: and everybody got smoked with higher prices. But the point
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: is that it was the common people who don't study
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: this stuff for a living, who don't read endless reports
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: and studies, who could just figure out that if there's
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: money pouring into the economy that's not matched by goods
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: and services, it's going to bid up the cost of everything.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So that's my experience and my ideology is the common
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: guy knows how to make his own decisions. We need
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: to empower him to do that.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just stay out of people's lives.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: So there's a narrative in America, and the narrative is
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: that you were about to win and your party was
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: about to win, but then Trump came along and said
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: he was going to turn Canada into the 51st state,
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: and everybody went crazy. Is that accurate?
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't say they went crazy.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: Well, they got very upset.
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: They should be upset, though.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a crazy thing to say.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: It is a crazy thing to say. Canada's not for sale.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: We're never going to be the 51st state. We love
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Americans as neighbors and friends, but we want to be
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: uniquely and we want to be sovereign as Canadians. It's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: our country. It's where we grow up. You're a patriot
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: as an American. I'm a patriot as a Canadian. It's
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: where my grandfather arrived. It's where our collective ancestors put
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: on military uniforms and sailed to fight wars. It's where
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: our grandkids are going to live. We're very proudly Canadian.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: So we're never going to be the 51st state. And
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: I just wish he'd knock that shit off so that
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: we can get back to talking about the things that
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: we can do as two separate, but two separate countries
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that are actually friends.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Did that really have that much of an effect up there? Like,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: did people take him seriously?
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: I think at first everyone thought it was a joke
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: because we've always had these jokes. Like, you know, one
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: day we're going to take over Vermont and Detroit should
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: be part of Canada and all that stuff. But then
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: he kept saying it and saying it. And, you know,
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it became, a lot of people got upset about it.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: And I think understandably so.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Understandably. Yeah. I mean, it's a crazy thing to say.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: It is a crazy thing to say.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: I talked to him on the phone about it. It
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: was like so funny. He's like, at first I was joking,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: but then people were like, it's a good idea. That's
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: not a good idea. Nobody's saying that. I can assure
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: him of that. But, and the tariffs aren't a good
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: idea either. We should get the tariffs out. Because there's
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: so much we could be doing together as neighbors and
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: partners if we got rid of those tariffs. I think
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: one of the biggest problems in America today, affordability, security.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And we can help with both. We knock the tariffs down.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Let's look at affordability. We have the fourth biggest supply
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: of oil anywhere on earth. You guys pay a huge
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: price discount for our oil because we're effectively, all our
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: infrastructure to ship it is north-south.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: And it's a very unique heavy oil. So we accept,
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: unfortunately and for now, a price discount on the oil
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: we send you, which can translate into more jobs and paychecks,
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: but also lower energy prices. You've got $ 5 a gallon
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: right now in lots of places in America. You're buying,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: I want to produce more so we can sell 2
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: million more barrels of Canadian oil into the U.S. market.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And then there's housing. You've got huge housing pressures on
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: young people. They can't afford a place to live. We're
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the biggest supplier of lumber for home building of any
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: country that imports to the United States, exports to the
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: United States. We've got very low cost but high quality
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: softwood lumber we could be shipping. Or the best selling
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: truck in America for 45 years now is the Ford Series.
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: It's aluminum. It's a military grade aluminum body. You guys
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: can't make enough aluminum here. You don't have enough bauxite
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: or electricity to convert it. into alumina and aluminum. You
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: get your, your aluminum from us. A tariff does not
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: bring the production to America. It raises the price of
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the aluminum and therefore the F-series truck. Get rid of
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: that tariff. You lower taxes, you lower the cost of
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: an F-series truck for the, for the miner in Appalachia
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: or the electrician in Ohio. And, and that's just on
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: the affordability side. There's a lot we can do with
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: our minerals to make the continent a hell of a
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: lot safer as well. So I think it's in America's
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: interest to come towards a tariff-free deal and trade freely
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: as friends. And that will be good for both of us.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: Have you had conversations with Trump about this? No.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I believe in the rule of one prime minister at
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: a time. So I fought like hell to win. I
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: didn't win. We came very close. So I've said, listen,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: I'll leave it to the prime minister. to do the negotiating.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And I've said, I'll support him anyway. I can't even
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: in my visit down here, I'm sending him a text
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: messages to tell him what's going on, try and support
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: his work. Cause what we want, we both want what's
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: best for Canada.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Where are your elections now? When do you have the
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: next elections?
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: That's, um, this is a, A strangely hard question to
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: answer because we're.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: In a weird system. Yeah, it's weird in comparison to ours.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: Yours are fixed. As you know, ours, we have technically
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: fixed election dates, but the government can fall at any time.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: It's very simple. A rule is that if the opposition
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: parties bind up and they can vote down the government,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: that is to say the majority of MPs in the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: House say we've lost confidence in the government, the election
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: is now. Or if the prime minister decides he wants
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: an election, he can call it and the election is now.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: But it has to be sometime in the next roughly
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: three years.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, so you have a deadline where it has to
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: take place?
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: But it could happen tomorrow?
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: It wouldn't necessarily be tomorrow, but like, you know, in
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: the next few weeks, if there were a non-confidence vote
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and the government lost it, then they go to an election.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like the British system.
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: Interesting.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, it is the British system, really. We adopted
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: the British system almost identically.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: So when you're campaigning, you're essentially, this is like a
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: long game. Yeah. You're just laying out your strategy, laying
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: out what you would do to make Canada a better place. Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Well, we have two roles. So I said I'm the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: leader of the opposition, but I'm also prime minister in waiting.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So the notion is that the Canadian people should not
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: only have a government, but they should have an alternative.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: And that alternative has two functions. Official opposition. It's actually
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: called that. I think it's a proper noun. Capital O, official.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Capital O, opposition. And also government in waiting. So you
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: have to be prosecuting the government. But you have to
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: present yourself to people in a way where they say, yeah,
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: that guy or that team could actually be the government.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Those are the dual roles that I have to carry out.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: Interesting. How long have you been attempting to become prime
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: minister for? How long has this been going on for?
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Almost exactly four years because I launched my campaign in
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: February of 2022.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Was this something that you had always had in the
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: back of your mind?
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: I'd say in the back of my mind, but it
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: wasn't something I was set on. I thought maybe in
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: my 50s or 60s I would try it, but I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: was in no rush to do that.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: How old are you now?
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I'm now 46.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: And so what motivated you to do it?
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, after COVID, uh, as COVID was unfolding,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: it wasn't just the, the, the COVID policies themselves. It
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: was the economic policies is I've been very focused on
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: economics in my parliamentary career. And I was seeing the
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: size and cost of government, not just in Canada, but
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: all around the world growing so much and that inflation
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: was just destroying the working class people. and that it
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: was gonna get a lot worse. And so I ran
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: on the platform of making Canada the freest country on earth.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: We had a tradition of freedom in Canada. One of
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: our earliest prime ministers, Wilfrid Laurier, he's asked, what's Canada's nationality?
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: And he couldn't actually list an ethnicity or a religion
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: because we were already mixed up even a hundred years ago.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: We had Scots and Irish and first peoples. So he said, look, yeah, French,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: most of all French and English. First Nations. So he said,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: Canada is free and freedom is its nationality. And I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: wanted to reinstate that idea. I wanted it to be
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: the freest country anywhere on earth. And so I ran
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: on that platform and won the leadership. And then ran
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: in the last election and stayed on after that election.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the last four years of my journey.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: And so the way your elections work now, so you're
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: essentially just stating your case and going around and talking
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: about what policies you would implement and how you would
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: do things differently. And just waiting to see how it
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: all plays out.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: We have, see, our prime minister is different than the president.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: He's actually part of the legislative branch. So he comes
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: in to the House of Commons and we debate multiple
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: times a week, he and I. So it's not just,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you know, in your system, the Republican and Democrat hold
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: like four debates right before the election. In our system,
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: we're always debating. So he comes in, he's on one side.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I come in, I'm on the other side. And I
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: ask him like six consecutive questions and then he answers
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: and we go back and forth. And that's called question period.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Then we have these committees where we prosecute and propose
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: on finance, natural resources, healthcare, you name it. So we're
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: constantly prosecuting the government, also proposing better ideas at the
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: same time. So like the other day, I proposed to
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: bring back the auto pack between Canada and the US
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: to have tariff free trade going both ways across the
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: the border. So that's an example of how I'm in
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: a position to actually offer solutions, even though I'm not
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: in the government. And then hopefully government actually steals my ideas.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: And I've been encouraging them to steal my ideas. Is
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: this coffee, by the way?
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: I need some caffeine. Yeah, some caffeine there. I'm a
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: terrible caffeine addict.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Me too. Cheers.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: Cheers.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, and shout out to George St. Pierre for hooking
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: this up.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, George is a good man.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: He's the best.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Great guy. He said he's going to have me do
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: some pad work with him at some point.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: So that's pretty dangerous.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's awesome. He's here all the time.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: He's a fantastic guy.
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the best. He's one of the best representatives
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: of martial arts you could ever hope to meet.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: He's got humility. I remember when he came to Parliament
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: Hill years ago, and I thought, geez, he's going to be,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: because I thought he'd be cocky and swagger, but he
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: was so down to earth.
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, he's so humble.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: So much humility.
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: For what he's accomplished in MMA, I've introduced him to people,
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: and they have no idea who he is. And then
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: I go, that is one of the greatest fighters that
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: ever walked the face of the earth.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: No way. He's so nice.
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: And that's the Canadian way, though. Like, it's soft-spoken and
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: gentle and kind, but don't piss us off.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but tough. That's where Trump fucked up. I wonder
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: what would have happened if he didn't go along with
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: that 51st State nonsense. You know, I mean, that is
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: the narrative in this country, like I said, that if
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: he didn't do that, that you would have won.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Well, you never know. But I try not to cry
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: over spilled milk. I focus on what I have to
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: do and live in the present. But this new guy, Malat,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: have you followed him, Mike Malat?
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I know him. Yeah. He's going to be fighting in Winnipeg.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: I think he's the next GSP.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: He's very good.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: You like him?
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's excellent.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: He did a great job in Montreal. You saw him there.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I've been to many of his fights.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: He's excellent. My buddy is his trainer, Crew Allen in Hamilton.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: He's a Hamilton Steel Town guy. We're hoping that he
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: has a big win in Winnipeg.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: Well, you guys have one of the best gyms in
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: the world, TriStar in Montreal.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: Firas Zahabi. Okay. There's like maybe a handful of great
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: masterminds in MMA as far as coaches.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: And Firas is at the top of the list.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah. And what's his discipline?
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: He trained GSP.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Is his discipline karate or kickboxing, Muay Thai?
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's... I mean, he's a true mixed martial artist,
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: black belt in jiu-jitsu, kickboxing. I mean, he can do everything.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: And TriStar is a place where a lot of people
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: from America go up there for their camps.
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I'll have to drop in and see those guys.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's phenomenal. I mean, like I said, GSP trained
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: up there. A lot of fighters trained up there. And
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: he also had a great working relationship with a lot
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: of people in America. So he would come down and,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: you know, they would exchange fighters back and forth and
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: train with each other.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we have a great martial arts tradition in Canada.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you know Mike Miles. He brought
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Muay Thai from Thailand to Calgary, like back in the
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: 70s or 80s, and he still got a great gym there.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: Do you know who Jean-Yves Thériault is?
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, he's a buddy of mine.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, really?
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: From Ottawa, yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, no kidding. He was a hero of mine when
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: I was a kid.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's incredible.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: When I was kickboxing, he was like my idol. Really? Yeah.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: Does he know that?
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: I never talked to him.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Well, he's going to see this.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: I bought his book. Yeah. I bought his book. I
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: started running stairs because of his book. Cause he was
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: talking about how it increased his leg muscles and his
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: kicking power.
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I remember that it was in one of his documentaries
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: or something. He said his kicks weren't strong enough. So
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: he would do stairs, but I went and trained at
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: his dojo a few times. It's in South Ottawa.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: He was incredible. He was, uh, he was one of
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: the truly elite kickboxers of his time.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: He was a great boxer. Like I know he never
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: competed as a boxer, but his, his hands were fantastic.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: And Well, that's really what separated him from a lot
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: of other people. It was like his accuracy and his
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: technique was pristine.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: He told me that he would spend hours studying the
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: distances that your limbs would have to travel depending on
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: how you moved. He was kind of like a scientist
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: in the way he learned and studied. And he was
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: all about simplicity and removing anything unnecessary. I think Bruce
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Lee said that. He said, simplicity, hack away at the unnecessary. And, uh,
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: you know, how do you, what's the shortest distance to
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: hit the strike? And, um, he's got a great, he's
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: a really good heart too. You know, he had, um,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: he has a jujitsu club as well. And when I
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: went in there, there was a blind fellow who was
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: into jujitsu, which you can do as a blind person,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: cause it's so much about feel, but with COVID he
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: couldn't do jujitsu anymore. Cause they, they, they disallowed that
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: kind of close contact. So he actually found a way
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: to train this guy with focus mitts, even though he
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: was blind. It was really incredible.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, wow.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But it was an incredible amount of patience he
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: had invested in making sure this young man could keep
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: doing his physical activity throughout COVID.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute. So they allowed pad work, but they
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: didn't allow jiu-jitsu?
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a government policy or
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: if it was just a policy at the gym because,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: you know, you're just so wrapped up and sweating.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: The gyms in America, everybody just kept going. Kept going.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: They hid. They would put foil over the windows and
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: hide or come in through the back door. A lot
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: of the gyms in LA, that's what they did.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: They just plowed ahead.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: They just figured out a way to not get in trouble.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: And some people did get caught and get in trouble
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: and nothing ever came of it because it's pretty unconstitutional
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: to tell people that they can't work out together. The
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: government really didn't have the right to tell people that
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: they couldn't do what they wanted to do. That was
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: a legal thing that you can do. Like, all of
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: a sudden, there's this mandate, there's this law or rule
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: being passed down, or at least it's being promoted, that
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: you're not allowed to go to a gym and work
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: out with other people. But those are the healthiest people.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: Those are the people that are the least likely to
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: get sick. Like, this is crazy to say. And you
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: know if you're sick. And if you just have a
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: good gym with good people, say, hey, don't show up
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: if you're sick, everybody should be okay. These are the
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: people you should worry about the least.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: We need to have common sense again. And too many
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: governments in the Western world have gotten way too bossy.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: They're just looking for every excuse to boss people around.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: And that's what we have to push back again. And it's,
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: you know, EV mandates or, you know, excessive control of
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the internet or the massive increase in the cost of government,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: which is really like appropriating the private voluntary economy into
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the coercive government economy. That's what we're seeing across Europe,
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: in the UK, parts of the United States, as well
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: as back home. So we need to reverse that trend
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: and get people back in charge of their lives.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: Well, the narrative has always been that rights lost are
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: never regained or are very, very difficult to regain them.
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: So how could you reverse that?
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: Well, you have to keep fighting. I mean, we did
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: regain our rights after COVID and You know, the people
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: have to look at the history of it.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Which rights did you regain?
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: Well, all the mandates are gone now.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Of course. But those were ridiculous anyway.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were ridiculous.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: And they also impeded business. They ruined people's lives, social lives.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: But freedom has always had to be taken. Our tradition
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: goes back to 1215 with the Magna Carta, the great charter.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: And most of the freedoms we have today were in
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that original document. Right to a jury trial, no arrest
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: without charge, no confiscation without compensation, no taxation without representation.
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: All comes from that one document, the Magna Carta. And
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: it was because King John was taken aside by the barons.
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: And they said, listen, pal, this is the choice. Either
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: you sign this and follow it or we overthrow you.
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: And as a result, we got the Magna Carta. And
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: when you guys had your Boston Tea Party and said
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: you can't tax our tea because we don't elect you,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: That was an appeal as English. You were Englishman saying,
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: I'm not, we're Englishman. We have the right not to
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: be taxed unless we vote for it. And we're going
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: to throw you out otherwise. But that came out of
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: the fields of running meat in England in 1215. So
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: it's a long march towards freedom and it's never actually done.
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: Like there's no purpose. victories or defeats. You just have
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: to keep going forward.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: So if you were elected, let's say you get in
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: right now, what's one of the first things you would do?
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I would unblock our resources. So we have the most
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: resources of any country in the world per capita, bar none.
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: To make it happen, though, we need to have the
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: fastest permits anywhere in the world and the lowest taxes
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: on producing those resources. We're the fourth in oil, number
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: one in uranium, number one in potash for fertilizer. We
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: are the fifth biggest supplier of natural gas. We have
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: the longest oceanic coastline. We have 10 of 12 of
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: NATO's defined defense minerals. So, you know, you had that
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: guy Palmer Lucky on. I don't think he can make
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: his stuff without Canadian minerals. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe he'll
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: correct me. But like night vision technology, you need to have, uh,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: you need to have germanium for that. You need to
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: have gallium to make, uh, semiconductors and radar. You need
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: to have aluminum for armored vehicles and, uh, airplanes. You
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: need cobalt for heat resistant alloys and fighter jets. You
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: need tungsten for, uh, body, sorry, um, armor-piercing ammunition. We
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: have it all. And what I want to do is
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: unblock those resources, produce them in abundance for ourselves and
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: our allies, make $ 200, 000 paychecks for our trades workers, build
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: up an enormous strategic stockpile of it so that we
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: have tons of leverage in international relations. And if, God forbid,
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: there is ever a global conflict, we would have all
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: the resources necessary to win it. But we need to
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: get rid of a lot of laws that are blocking
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: And replace them with laws that have fast permitting so
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: that we can produce this stuff on scale very quickly.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: So is the concern the environmental? impact of extracting these
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: things is that what's holding it.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Up that is the That's the ostensible reason But I
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: just think across Western the Western world like Europe UK
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: parts of the US And Canada, there's a problem with
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: bureaucracy just growing way too damn big. Like, you know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: the First Nations in our country are incredibly forward-looking. The
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: Squamish built 6,000 units of housing on 10 acres of land.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: You can believe it. In a town, in a city
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: of Vancouver where it's very hard to get a permit
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: to do anything because it was their land. So they
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: did it. They're trying to build, they're building now an
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: LNG liquefaction plant where they replaced, uh, An old 30 mills,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: they cleaned it up and put an LNG plant there,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: but the federal government took a lot of time, 14
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: years to give them a permit. So we need to
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: think like they're thinking, which is entrepreneurial speed of business,
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: get it done quickly. Um, that's how you develop. Like
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: we have this community in my district, it's called Hardesty,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: 600 people. They manage a hundred billion dollars of oil
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: in a town of 600 people. Why is it there?
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Because their municipality offers a permit. In one week with
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: one page. And I wanted to tell this story. So
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I called them and I said, can I have someone
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: come and do a video with me? And they said,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: we don't have anyone here. We don't have like bureaucrats
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: that can help you. They're all out on their farms
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: right now. They come in, they stamp the permit and
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: they go back to their farm. Well, that's why we
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: have a hundred billion dollars of energy moving through the area,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: which is bigger than the GDP of many countries because
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: they have fast permits. And that's what we need in Canada.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: We need to be the fastest place to get things done.
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: But don't you think you need some safeguards to protect
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: the environment? And how do you balance that out?
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Protect it quickly. We can figure out whether a project
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: is damaging to the environment in weeks and months rather
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: than decades. There's nothing you're going to learn in year
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: 14 of the review that you couldn't have learned in
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: month 14. So there's ways to protect the environment. So
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: when the Germans had to break their dependence on Russia
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: after it invaded Ukraine, they approved an LNG import terminal
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: in 60 days. They completed the whole damn thing in
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: less than 200 days. And guess what? No environmental problems.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: They got their engineers to sit down and figure out
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: how to do it quickly. And that's the mentality that
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: we need to get in Canada.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: So what would you be able to do to bypass
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: all this bureaucracy? How could that be done legally?
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Well, you slim it down to one project, one environmental
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: review instead of 20 or 30 You have a fixed
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: timeline that the bureaucrats have to give an answer of
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: six months rather than just as long as they want
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: to drag it on for. And the other thing I
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: would do is study areas where they're perfectly situated to
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: have a project like a pipeline or a mine or
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: an LNG export terminal or a port expansion, and I
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: would pre-permit it. I would say, to our officials, go
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: in and study, make sure that the environmental aspects are
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: all in good order. I'll issue a pre-permit and then
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: anybody who comes along and wants to build it, as
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: long as they follow the terms and act responsibly, has
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: a guaranteed permit before they even apply for it. And
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: I think we would have a roaring economy if we
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: did that.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: That sounds awesome. But the great fear is that if
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: you do have an impact on the environment, that impact
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: is often permanent and it's devastating. And I've seen some
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: of the oil extraction that they've done up in Alberta,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: where you look at the area, it looks like scorched earth. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: It's the most responsible oil extraction in the world.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: But when you see these, what is that one area
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: that often gets criticized?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Fort Mac.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're open pit mines. You open up a mine,
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: you take out the bitumen, you separate the sand from
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: the oil. you make it less viscous by putting diluent
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: in it, and you ship it off, and then after
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: the oil is, after the mining is done, they resurface it,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: and you wouldn't even know there was a mine there.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: And there's no impact to groundwater, no impact to the environment?
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's an impact no matter what you do,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, the people who
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: live there are very healthy and very happy, and they're
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: the strongest supporters of the expansion.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: Of the oil sands.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: It's an incredible.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Because economically, it's amazing.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's incredible. It's the best resource in the world.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: It's like, There's no decline rate. You guys have shale here,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: but as the years go by, you get less and
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: less out of a shale reservoir. We have very little decline.
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: We can keep producing and producing. We have what's called
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: in situ, where there's an entire oil sands operation under
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: your feet. You could be out in a forest hunting,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: and you wouldn't even know that under your feet they're
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: extracting it through a whole system of pipes where they
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: inject just steam, steam vapor. That loosens up the oil.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: It sinks down. It goes into another pipe, comes up
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: to the top. And you can have beautiful, pristine nature,
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: the bears, the deer, the birds. They don't even know
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: that there is extraction happening under their feet. So we
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: have the best industry, the most responsible industry anywhere in
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: the world. It's been a really disgusting PR campaign by
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: extremist environmentalists and, frankly, some of our competitors to try
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: and make our industry look bad. But it's the best
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: industry in the world.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got me. I saw some videos on it
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my God, what are they
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: doing to the ground? What are they doing to the earth?
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: It looks horrible.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: It's all bullshit.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: It looks horrible.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean, that's just a superficial look at it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: I'll take you for a tour in the oil sands.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: You'll be amazed. We have the best engineers in the world.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: And by the way, the First Nations people absolutely love
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: it because it's lifting their people out of poverty. They're
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: getting enormous job opportunities out of it. One of our
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: MPs is a former Chief, where they took 18% unemployment,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: brought it down to three, balanced their budget. Another one
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: of my members of parliament in Northern British Columbia negotiated
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: a $ 40 billion LNG plant on the Haisla territory. It's
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: completely eliminating poverty for the First Nations there. And by
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: exporting clean Canadian natural gas, which we can liquefy 25%
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: cheaper because it's cold as hell in Canada. They actually
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: displace dirty coal overseas. So instead of Asia burning coal,
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: they're burning clean Canadian gas that's delivered by First Nations partnerships.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: So this is the best way to do it. It
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: makes everybody richer and makes our entire continent better off.
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: Well, it seems so simple the way you're laying it out.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: I don't understand why this hasn't been implemented.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the story of my life. It's frustrating.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: But it's– Is it that simple? Is it really that
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: this is what's holding everything up? The bureaucracy and the
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: time it takes for permits and. Yeah.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of things.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Regulations.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: We have the same thing in housing. And so do you, like,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: if you look at.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: California.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: California is terrible. Like why is there such a housing
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: shortage in California? It's because it takes forever to get
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: a permit and there's always bureaucracy standing in the way.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: And it totally screws over the working class youth who
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: can't find a place to live because they're not being built.
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: And we have that challenge in Canada as well. So
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: that's why I proposed ideas to cut the bureaucracy and
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: the taxes so that we can build affordable homes for
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: our youth because right now we have a whole generation
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: that can't afford homes. And that was one of the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: biggest issues I ran on. Homeownership is necessary for family formation,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: for civil peace in society where everybody feels like they
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: have a piece of the pie. We need to expand homeownership.
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: But to do that, you've got to get the government
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: gatekeepers out of the way, speed up the permits, free
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: up the land, cut the development taxes.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: So let's assume that you got an office. How much
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: time would it take to start implementing these things and
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: how quickly would that impact be felt by the Canadian people?
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: Look, I think a lot of them could move very quickly.
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: There are a lot of projects that investors are sitting on,
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: but they don't have certainty in permits. So I would
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: unblock that, and I think in the first year you
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: would start to see immediate benefits for the working people
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: who would be getting these jobs. Some of it would
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: take more and more like a medium term, like the
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: second thing I would go after is just the inflationary spending,
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: which is a big problem all over the Western world.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: Like people just can't afford to live. I don't know
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: if you, you do, do you, you encounter that around here?
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah. Yeah. I mean, inflation is crazy. And it's,
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, the national debt in America just went up
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: to 39 trillion. Right.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: Which is bigger than your GDP.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of money.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: So, so explain this to me. 50 years ago, a
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: barber and a, A barber and a waitress could buy
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: a house with a big yard for a dog and
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: raise four kids, meat and potatoes on the dinner table
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: every night. And now an accountant and a lawyer can't
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: do that. Why is that?
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of spending and a lot of
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: making money, a lot of just turning, you know, just
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: making dollar bills with nothing behind it, nothing to back it.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: This is the biggest fraud ever. perpetrated on the working
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: class people in the last hundred years.
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: Printing money is just insane. It's just the, the idea
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: you just print more money. It's like, and people go, okay.
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: Well, it looks, it looks painless at first, but if
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: you have an economy with 10 apples and $ 10, it's
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: a buck an apple, you double the number of dollars
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: to 20, but you still only have 10 apples. Well,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's two bucks an apple. It's
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: not that the cost of apples has gone up. It
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: still costs the same resources to grow the and pick
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: the apples. is that the price has gone up because
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: the value of the money has gone down. So in America,
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: over the last 55 years, you've doubled the number of
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: homes in America from about 70 million to 150 million.
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: You know how much the money supply has grown? 30 times.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: So you have twice the homes, but 30 times the cash.
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: So what's happened? Housing costs have gone up 15 fold
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: in 55 years. And now an entire generation of kids
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: can't afford homes. We have exactly the same problem in Canada.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: This is the biggest wealth transfer from the working class
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: to the elites, from I say the have-nots to the have-yachts.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: And Washington and Wall Street love it, by the way,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: because it inflates the stock market, inflates the bureaucracy. Politicians
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: get to spend. CEOs get their stocks inflated. But it
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: destroys the working people. And we need to get back
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: to hard money. Everything should be getting cheaper, by the way.
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: You know, it takes 60 to 80% less resources to
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: grow food. We grow four times the food on the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: same acre, get four times as much milk from the
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: same cow. We use 80% less water and fertilizer. So
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: why isn't it that food is not less expensive? It's
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: because all of those gains are being erased by monetary inflation.
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: So it's not that food is more costly. It's that
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: the value, the money we use to buy it has
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: less purchasing power. And we need to do what the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: Swiss do, which is they don't print money. They have
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: balanced budgets. They have almost no deficit. And they have
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: almost zero inflation in Switzerland. They have the strongest money
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: in the world, the Swiss franc. And we would all
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: be better if we operated like the Swiss when it
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: comes to our money.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: So in a real-world scenario, it's like you take over Canada.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: How would you go about implementing this?
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: You've got to cut bureaucracy, consultants. which consumed, by the way,
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: $ 26 billion of spending.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: How big is your debt in Canada?
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Uh, 1.3 ish trillion.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's baby debt.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: It's compared to you.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: You guys are, we're ridiculous. Wild.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: But you know, you've gotten away with it because the dollar,
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: the American dollar is the reserve currency. So all of
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: these countries prop up the value of the U S
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: dollar by keeping it on reserve. Um, better hope that
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: doesn't change.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Better hope.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: And we, we, we don't have that luxury. And so, uh,
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: But we do have a lot of debt and we
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: have a lot. We have provinces too. They're quite indebted.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: But I would cut the bureaucracy. I would cut consultants.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: Foreign aid, I'd cut way back on foreign aid. We
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: give a corporate welfare, these checks to corporations. I believe
• 53:42
  Speaker 1: business should make money rather than take money. So I
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: would get rid of that. We're giving a lot of
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: money to fake refugees, people who come in and don't actually,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: they're not actually fleeing danger. Um, like I love real refugees.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: My wife was a refugee, but I have no time
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: for people who are pretending, but they're not really.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: And what do you mean by pretending to be a refugee?
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: How are they doing this?
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: They're not actually endangered in their home country. So they've
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: come to be declared themselves as students and then wanting
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: to stay declaring a refugee status.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, and this is common?
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it happens. It happens. And they just want to
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: have a better life. So I don't, I don't begrudge
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: them as people, but. We can't spend money on social service,
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: stay enhanced social services, advanced programs that we as Canadians
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: don't get for people who are not paying into it.
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: So you're not opposed to them being there. You're opposed
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: to them getting Canadian welfare.
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm opposed to them. If they're not real refugees,
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: they shouldn't be brought in as refugees. I think we
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: have to distinguish between those people who are actually in
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: danger in their home country, which is the definition of
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: a refugee, and someone who just wants to come. Uh, in, uh,
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: in excess of, uh, of their, their proper immigrant.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Is this that common that it's actually affecting your economy?
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Right now it's a challenge because, um, we had a
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: big number of international students in temporary foreign workers that
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: came in and very large numbers in like two or
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: three years. Um, we were bringing in about a million
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: people a year, which in America's terms would be 10 million,
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: like just if you're doing per capita and it really
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: caused a housing shortage. like some places where you have
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: 26 of these students living in one basement. So we're
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: trying to unwind that now.
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: And how do you do that?
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: Well, when their work permit and their visitor visa runs out,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: then we have to encourage them to head back lawfully.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Right. But you don't want to do it ICE style. No.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think we need to do that. I
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: just think we have to be orderly and lawful about it.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: And is that supported by the Canadian people?
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: Yes, because... we're a very welcoming country. We're a nation
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: of immigrants, but we're also a nation of laws. And we,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: there's a general consensus like across the spectrum in Canada
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: that there, there was, the population growth was too fast
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: for like four or five years. And, uh, so we're,
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: we're trying to unwind that now.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: Um, what are, what are the other things that you
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: would have to do to drop your debt and sort
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: of balance your budget and, begin to turn things around.
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: Well, in addition, so I like this idea that actually,
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: believe it or not, that Bill Clinton and the Republicans
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: did in the 90s in the US. It was called
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the PAYGO law. It was a very simple principle. Every
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: time the administration wanted to bring in a new dollar
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: of spending, they had to match it with a dollar
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: of savings. So there was no extra net spending for
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: like eight years. And that's when your government balanced its
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: budget and paid off $ 400 billion of debt. That law
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: lapsed in 2002. And immediately after that, America went back
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: into deficits and you haven't emerged. You've been in deficit
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: now for 25 years. This is about internalizing scarcity. Every
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: creature in the universe, every bird in the trees, every
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: fish in the seas has to live with scarcity, maximizing
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: use of scarce resources. The only creature who doesn't do
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: that is the politician because he's always using someone else's money, right?
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: It's like, oh, I'll just print it or borrow it
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: or tax it. It's not my money. And so they
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: routinely show up to their cabinet meetings and say, well,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I've got a new idea. It's $ 100 million. Where are
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: you going to get it?
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: We'll print it. We'll borrow it. We'll tax it. Not
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: my money. But if you had a law saying you
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: can't actually bring a proposal to cabinet unless you have
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: matching savings to pay for it, well, then you'd have
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: these politicians walking up and down the hallways in their
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: departments looking for waste and like rooting it out. So
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: instead of making the single mom, the senior or the
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: small business owner live with scarcity, I want the politicians
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: and bureaucrats to live with scarcity. And that's what I
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: would impose by law on my government.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just a rational way to deal with the problem. Like,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: don't spend money unless you could save money.
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: That's how you balance things out. I mean, Clinton did
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: balance the budget.
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: He did.
• 58:03
  Speaker 2: During his time. And people forget that because we've always
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: assumed that there's always been this extraordinary debt. But that's
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: not the case. During the 1990s, I mean, he did
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: a fantastic job at that.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they, I mean, it was the Congress was, was
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: very disciplined as well. And the American people just got
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: fed up and said, we're not tolerating these deficits anymore.
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: And they imposed scarcity from the center. And by the way,
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: the economy boomed because the government was restrained and the
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: free market economy could just roar. And that's another part
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: of the equation, by the way, is unlock the power
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: of free enterprise. Like this is the 250th anniversary, not
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: just of the declaration of independence. but also of Adam
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: Smith's Wealth of Nations, where he basically, for the first
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: time in human history, described the free market system. And
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: that was starting to flourish in the States and in
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: parts of Europe. And that system basically started to come
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: into place after the late 1770s. The growth since the
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: free market system has come into place in the world
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: has been 200 times faster than it was before. because
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: there is the most powerful system for generating material benefit
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: for the people and that's what we need to restore
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: in Canada I want to make it the freest economy
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: in the world.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: Well that all sounds amazing how the hell did you
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: lose How can a rational person not vote for that?
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're not saying anything that's restrictive. You're not
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: saying anything that is in any way infringing on people's
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: rights or liberties. It just sounds like it's just 100%
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: positive for Canada.
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: That's what I think. That's my mission. And I think
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: it will be positive. And we'll get there. You know,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Canadians do things through evolution, not revolution. So I'm just
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: going to keep pushing my ideas. And I think overwhelmingly
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: we'll win the next election.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Well, it sounds like I just can't see how someone
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: would listen to what you're saying and say, I find
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: fault in this. Other than the potential environmental impact of
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: extracting resources, I could see how a lot of the
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: greenies would get really upset and get their panties in
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: a bunch about that and be very incredulous to the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: idea that you're going to protect the environment while you're
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: extracting all these resources. But if you could lay it
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: all out and also lay out this enormous economic impact
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: and how it would uplift impoverished communities, how it would
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: completely change the economic landscape of the country. It just
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: only makes sense. That's why I'm baffled.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Well, listen, the people render their judgment, but it means
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: I have to do a better job of proselytizing.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 2: What were the criticisms of you? What did your opponent
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: say that resonated with people? Um, what were they trying
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: to say?
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: It was funny because they all disagreed with my ideas
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: and they said, these are all very scary ideas.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: Scary.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: And then they said, first of all, they said, they
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: said that I had no policies. Then they said, uh,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: they're scary policies. And then they stole my policies right
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 1: before the election. So, uh, but Hey, listen, if the
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: government that's in power now steals all my ideas and
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: does the things I want to do, then I, then
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: I've won. That's why I came here. I didn't just
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: do it so that I could have the, my name
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: on the door. So I keep saying to the prime minister,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: steal my ideas. Right.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: But he doesn't want to. Well, he.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: I won't criticize them on foreign soil.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: I understand. Good for you. Yeah.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I mean, we have a mutual respect.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: That's such a Canadian thing to do.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: That is a Canadian thing to do.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: So polite. That's what I'm saying about Canadians. They're so polite.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: It's funny.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: Your security guy was talking about the Canadian standoff of,
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: you know, when you get to a door, you go first. No,
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: you go first.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: No, you go first.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: You can stay there all day. I actually looked this
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: up the other day. Ontario actually has an apology act.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: It's a law. that defines the apology because we always
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: say sorry in Canada. So they wanted to clarify that
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: sorry is not a legal admission of guilt. So like
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: if we get into a car accident, I say, oh, sorry, man,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I was terrible at your bumper. It doesn't mean that
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: I'm guilty.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: It says actually in law, there's so many apologies. Even
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: if somebody else screwed up, you say, sorry, that's funny.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: That's so Canadian.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: But you know, the great thing about Canada is we've
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: always sorted our shit out peacefully and, Like the Protestants
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: and Catholics tore each other's eyeballs out in Europe for
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: like hundreds of years. And then we came to Canada
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: and just got along. And that's the great thing about Canada.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: It's like you can come, you know, Muslims and Jews,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: Christians and, sorry, Protestants and Catholics, Hindus and Sikhs. They
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: come to Canada and they just get along. They live
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: on the same streets. Eventually we all start intermarrying and
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: it's a great thing about Canada.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: Well, it really is a great melting pot, you know. Yeah.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: And, and like folks get to keep their, their cultures, like, uh,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: at the same time as, uh, blending into the Canadian identity.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: Like my wife, my wife's from Venezuela. And, uh, so like,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: you know, oftentimes I, like I'm, I'm in the house
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: and there's like 16 Latinos and they're all speaking Spanish.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: I have no idea what the hell's going on. And, uh,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: they have this food, it's called the Jacas. And I said,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: they don't, they start, start cooking this stuff. I thought my,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to have to Did your mom
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: just call me a jackass? Because that's what it sounded like.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I don't speak any Spanish, but... You should probably learn.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: I should now.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: They're yapping in your house.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: You should know what they're planning. It's a great... My
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: kids are starting to learn Spanish, so I'm going to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: be outnumbered.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you better learn it. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: Bye.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: So what else is an issue in Canada that you
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: would like to fix? Can you toss me those napkins
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: and tissues? I've got an allergy I'm dealing with.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: We've got to toughen up our justice system. It got
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: way too soft.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: What's wrong with your justice system?
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Basically, bail. I mean, we all believe in the basic
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: principle that you're innocent until proven guilty. But if someone's convicted,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: have like 150 prior convictions and they're newly arrested on
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: their latest crime, I don't think we should be releasing
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: them onto the streets anymore. And, uh, so we got
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: two lacks on bail. So there's now a consensus in
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: Canada that you should have severe restrictions on repeat offenders.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Like in Vancouver, they had to arrest the same 40 guys, 6,000
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: times in one year, 40 guys, 6,000 arrests. So they're
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: basically being released within hours of their latest arrest. So we're, we're,
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: we now brought built up bipartisan, a multi-partisan consensus to
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: fix that. And, uh, we're pushing to toughen the bail system.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: and ensure that it's the repeat offenders, the tiny group.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: We don't have a lot of criminals in Canada, but
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: they do a tremendous amount of crime. So if you
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: take them off the street, you put them in prison,
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: you can basically reduce the crime rate dramatically.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Well, we probably have more crime percentage-wise in America, but
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: it's still a small percentage of the population that commits
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: the crime.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But it's the same issue. Like in New York City,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: it's extraordinary, the amount of people that are repeat offenders. Yeah.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: And they just let them go in California. No cash bail.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: Let them go. It's like it is bananas and it
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: doesn't make any sense and it doesn't make anybody help.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: I understand you want to be empathetic and I understand
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: these narratives that the prison system is racist and the
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: justice system is racist and these people never been given
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: a great shake in life. Well, if you want to
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: fix that, start in these impoverished neighborhoods, establish community centers,
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: establish better education, fund that. But don't let hardened criminals
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: back on the street when they're habitual. If you've been
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: arrested 40, 50 times, it doesn't seem like you're getting
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: any better. So whatever rehabilitation process they have going on there,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: that's not working. So keep doing the same thing over
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: and over again. Unless you like crime, I don't understand
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: why you would do that.
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  Speaker 1: This has been, you know, it's imposed by these so-called experts.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: They tell, oh, we've done all these studies that show
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: that the soft on crime policies work. But everywhere it's
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: been tried, it's been an absolute disaster, anywhere in the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: Western world. We have a town called Penticton. There's one
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: guy who the police can tell by looking at the
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: crime rate, whether he's been in jail or not. When
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: he comes out of jail, the crime rate for the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: entire town of Penticton actually goes up.
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  Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: But you just keep him in prison.
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  Speaker 2: That seems so simple to solve. It's like There's so
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: many of these problems with government that it's just like
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: rational thinking. One of the great interviews that I loved
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: about you, you were eating an apple. And you were
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: talking to this guy who was being completely ridiculous. You
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: were asking him to define the issues that he had.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: And it was so funny. It was like this is
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: what happens when a rational person meets a person with
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: empty narratives.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: It was such a weird moment because.
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: You just kept eating that apple.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: It was such a good apple.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: It was so good. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing is, I didn't even realize I was
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: being taped. I thought it was a print interview. Oh,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: that's hilarious. That's why I think I was so relaxed.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: So I'm in the most beautiful place in the world.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: If you haven't been to the Okanagan, it's unbelievable. It's lakes,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 1: it's mountains, it's nice dry weather, and there's orchards and
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: vineyards there. You'd love it. And so I'm in an
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: apple orchard and I'm walking around just talking with people.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: And my staff says, this reporter wants to do an
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: interview and I'm enjoying the apple. He comes up, starts
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: asking questions. Nobody who was there thought this was a moment.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Like we thought nothing of it. We dumped the whole thing. My,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: my staff unbeknownst to me was recording my whole walk.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: We dumped this 15 minute video on the internet. No
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: one noticed it. And like three weeks later, my phone
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: blows up and people say, Hey, how about that apple?
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: I'm like, what is he, what are they talking about?
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: This apple thing. And then, you know, within three days,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: everybody's talking to me about this damn apple that I
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: had almost forgotten about eating.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Well, that conversation sort of embodied this issue. It really did.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: Because you have rational thinking and empty narratives colliding while
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: you're eating an apple. Like, you're so casual about it,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: you're actually eating an apple, which was so perfect. I mean,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: you couldn't... If you planned on... Like, if you had
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: a PR team... think you should be eating an apple.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: They'd be like, Ooh, I like it. So he's casual.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: He's eating fruit. It's healthy.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: You know, it was totally coincidence. Like out of nowhere,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: not planned and not even noticed. Like I said, no
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: one there thought this was going to be a moment.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: We just like totally forgot about it.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Well, it made it in America. It was viral in America.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: And we were like, how come that guy's not the
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: prime minister? What the hell's going on?
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: Well, in the meantime, you can buy ambrosio apples from
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: the South Okanagan. I'm really plugging a lot of sales
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: for the Canadian economy today.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: You know what I found out about Canadian maple syrup?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: What's that?
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: It is actually a superfood and it is actually better
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: for you than honey. Is that right? Yeah. It contains
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: a bunch of polyphenols and a bunch of like healthy nutrients.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: I always thought maple syrup was just a guilty pleasure
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: you poured on pancakes.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: No, it's a totally Canadian thing. But apparently it's really
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: good for you. So you take it before your workout?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: No, no. I just watched a Instagram video yesterday. Somebody
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: sent it to me and I was like, what is this?
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: We'll have to send you a bunch of maple syrup
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: from Canada.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, I've got a bunch. I've had a bunch of
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: Canadian friends send me some.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: We actually have a maple syrup reserve in Canada, like
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: a reserve of excess stockpiles.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: Like an oil reserve?
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Well, we don't have an oil reserve. This is something
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: I want to change. I want to have an oil reserve,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: but I also want to keep the maple syrup reserve
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: because we're Canadians after all. There's nothing more Canadian than that.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: Well, it's so delicious. I can't believe it's good for you.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: Make sure that's true.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, in what way?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: Are there nutrients? Let's put it into perplexity. No, I did.
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  Speaker 3: I compared it versus honey. I'll give you what it showed.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not saying it's better.
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Maple syrup and honey are both sugary, but maple syrup
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: is slightly lower in calories. Glycemic index has more minerals
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: like manganese and calcium, while honey is a bit higher
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: in calories, has a slightly stronger impact on blood sugar. Well,
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: this guy on Instagram was very convincing. I wish I
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: saved it.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: I think it's convincing. I think you should go with it.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: I'm in it. I'm done.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: Stick with it.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Tastes better, too.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best. It's fantastic. Put that with a
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: little bit of Greek yogurt, your protein.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. That's what I do.
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: Greek yogurt.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: And maple syrup. Maybe we'll start a trend. Because everybody
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: uses honey on their yogurt.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: No, maple syrup from Canada. Because if it's not from Canada,
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: it's not the real deal.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of fake syrup, right?
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of junk out there. When you go
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: to a pancake house and they have that stuff in
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: the little plastic cups, that's garbage.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: Corn syrup crap.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't want to have that. That's manufactured crap.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: Well, that's the case with honey as well. I had
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: a woman in here once that was a beekeeper, and
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: she was explaining to us that a lot of honey
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 2: is not actually honey. They water it down with corn syrup.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: There's so much shit in our food these days.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: I believe in eating clean.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: A hundred percent. Well, I mean, that was one of
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: the primary factors for me supporting this administration was RFK Jr.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: in this Make America Healthy Again initiative. Because I think,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: you know, I had my friend Brigham Bueller yesterday from
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: Ways to Well on. And, you know, we hammered this
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: many times over and over again, but people need to
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: hear it. We spend more money on health care and
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: we're sicker than we've ever been before. And we have
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: more chronic illness and we have more money. None of
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: it makes any sense. It's completely ridiculous. And it's obvious
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: that people are eating the wrong things. And there was
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: so much outrage of him implementing all these healthy choices
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: and trying to get rid of dyes that are illegal
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: in Canada. Like the same cereals that the same factory
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: sells in Canada, they sell with natural dyes. And in America,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: we demand them to be more colorful. So we put
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: poison in them. Really? Yeah.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: What do you think are the dietary habits that are
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: making people in the Western world sick right now? Is
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: it the dyes? Is it the sugars? Is it the carbs?
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of things. What's getting people?
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of things. First of all, it's processed foods.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Processed foods is an enormous percentage of a lot of
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Americans' diets. Things with massive amounts of preservatives in them.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: And that's... Like if you want like a general guideline,
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: eat real food. Eat real eggs, real vegetables, real meat,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: real fish. You'll be healthier. As soon as you start
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: having things that can sit on a shelf forever, except
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: things like rice and normal beans, like things that are dried,
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: that makes sense. They could sit there. But if something
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: can just sit on a shelf for a long period
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: of time and you consume it, how is it just
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: not rotting? Exactly. I'm sure you've seen where they've taken
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: a McDonald's Big Mac. and they've just let it sit.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: Take a cheeseburger in a box and the guy pulls
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: it out like 10 years later, it looks exactly the same.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: That's not food.
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: The bacteria didn't want to eat it. They looked at
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: it and they were like, I'm not eating that.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: If bacteria doesn't eat it, mold doesn't eat it, that's crazy.
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Why are you eating it? There's something in it preventing
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: the mold from growing. What is that? Well, that stuff
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: fucks with your gut bacteria. It's terrible for your body.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: And Empty calories. And we consume an enormous amount of
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 2: processed food in this country. And if you want to
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: be a healthier person, eat real fruit, eat real food,
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: eat real vegetables, eat real meat. It's that simple. Just that,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: that would fix 90% of our problems when it comes
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 2: to people's diets.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: And we, when my, my wife once looked at some
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: of the baby formula we had and she said, she
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: looked on it, she said, there's no expiry date on this.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: This never goes bad.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: That can't be, that can't be a good thing.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Right. Meanwhile, breast milk, you have to freeze, right?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: So, uh, and then what about on the, like the
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: fitness side, what do you think we can do? I mean,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: beyond you, you've done a lot. just talking about it
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: with your, the size of your audience, you've probably got
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of people off the couch, but what policies
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: do you think we could push that would get people
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: physically active, working out, moving again?
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Well, the real important thing is community. The easiest way
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: to get fit is to, to get around a bunch
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: of other people that are also involved in the same endeavor, right?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: If you have a bunch of friends that are unhappy
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: with the way their life is like, just go walk together. say,
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: hey guys, let's all go for a walk after dinner together.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: Let's all decide, like as a neighborhood, to go walk.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: Just walk for a half an hour after your meals.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: It'll lower your glycemic index. It'll change your body. It'll
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: make you healthier. You'll feel better. It just does so
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: much for you, just movement and activity. And if you're
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: involved with a group of people that are also inclined
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 2: in the same direction, they're also trying to get better,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: trying to get fit, then you kind of, you know,
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: you feed off of your atmosphere. People imitate the people
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: that are around them and you get support from the
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: people that are around them. You know, make it a
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: little healthy competition. You know, who can, you know, do
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: the most exercise and who can do the most, you know,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: whatever it is, like whether it's a sport or whether
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: it's a game or whether it's just something that you
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: enjoy doing that's physically taxing slightly. It doesn't have to
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: be a crazy kettlebell workout or a jujitsu class, just
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: take a walk. If the world, if the United States
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: or Canada or anybody that's got problems with their health
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: just decided to start walking every day for 20 minutes,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: it'll change your life. And then add things to it.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: Add some body weight squats. Add some push-ups. Skip a
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: little rope. Do something. Take a yoga class. It'll change
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: your life. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: You need activity. The human body has needs. And when
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: those needs are not met and your biological requirements aren't met,
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: you develop anxiety. You get overweight. Your muscles atrophy. Your
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: bone density decreases. You can't open up a jar anymore.
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: There's all these problems that can be solved with just
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: simple movement and activity. You don't have to become a
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 2: fitness nut. You don't have to become a gym rat.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: You just do something and that alone, and then change
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: what you eat. Drink more water. Stop drinking soda. Stop
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: drinking so much alcohol. Stop eating processed food. If we
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: just slowly but surely get this in people's heads. For
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: the longest time, people didn't think there was anything wrong
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: with eating processed food. They didn't think there was anything
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: wrong with– they thought sugar just gave you extra calories.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: That's it. They didn't realize the catastrophic health consequences of
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: consuming all this sugar, the increase in type 2 diabetes,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: all these problems that people are having because of poor
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: diets and a lack of movement.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: What's your theory, though, on how that– why did that happen?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Why did– What caused millions of people to shift their
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: diets away from good, wholesome, real food towards the processed garbage?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: Well, first of all, marketing, right, and availability, right? They
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: always say the center of the grocery store is what
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: you should avoid because the center is all the stuff
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: that does need to be refrigerated, right? Everything on the outskirts,
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: all the vegetables and the fruit and the meats and
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: the milk, that's all the stuff that's healthy because it
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: has to be refrigerated because if it's not, it goes bad.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Things that can just sit on a shelf. But things
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: that sit on a shelf forever, those are the things
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: that are the easiest to profit from because you don't
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: have to worry about storage. You don't have to worry
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: about refrigeration when you're processing or when you're moving them
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: and transporting them. You know, just education is the most
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: important thing because there's a lot of people that don't
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: know how much their diet impacts them. And then there's
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: also the problems that happen in this country where the
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: sugar industry literally bribed scientists to pass the blame on
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: on saturated fat and pretend that this was the cause
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: of all these heart issues that people were having and
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: all the obesity, that it was just fat. So then
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: people started eating all these seed oil rich foods like mayonnaise,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: or excuse me, like margarine and corn oil and canola oil.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: When it's better just to have tallow or butter.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's like natural food. Your body knows what to
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: do with it.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: Beef is like a superfood. A nice fatty piece of beef,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: best thing you can eat.
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: It's so good for you.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: You've got iron, you've got fat, you've got protein and creatine.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: It's all packed in that one superfood.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: It is. And there's a lot of people that live
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: very healthily off a carnivore diet and that astounds people.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: They don't understand it because they've been pushed into this idea. Well,
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: one of the things they did in America that's great
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 2: is they reversed the food pyramid. Our food pyramid was
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: all grains at the bottom, was all wheat and grains,
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: which is Like there's nothing wrong with eating that as
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: long as you're being smart about it. You don't eat
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: too much of it. But if that's your primary diet, like,
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: guess what? Your insulin is going to spike. You're going
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: to be hungry all the time. You're going to get fat.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: This is not good. It's not good to eat.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: When I cut the carbs out and I went basically
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: into ketosis, I felt great because instead of having all
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: the ups and downs, when my blood sugar was down,
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: when you're in ketosis, you, um, you basically live off
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: your fat stores.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: You have like a consistent flow of energy whenever you
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 1: need it. Cause I've obviously I've got some here and,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: and so, uh, I, I feel lighter. I have to
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  Speaker 1: sleep less now. I don't have to sleep as much
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: cause I don't, I don't eat the big heavy carbs.
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  Speaker 1: I cheat once in a while, but, but the big
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: heavy carbs that your body breaks down, you gotta, you
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: gotta sleep more to work through all those heavy carbs.
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  Speaker 2: So Boy, you feel it when you eat them. I
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: love carbs. Don't get me wrong. I'm Italian. I love spaghetti.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: I love pizza. I love Italian subs. I love them.
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  Speaker 2: But I eat them sparingly. Absolutely. And when I eat them,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: I feel it. I feel it. It's amazing while you're
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: eating it, and then you're like, oh. You get hit
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: with a tranquilizer dart. It's just not good. It's not
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: good for you. If I eat a steak, I feel great.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: If I eat a steak, I don't feel in any
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: way tired after I'm done. I don't feel exhausted. Like
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: completely full. Also, they have a high satiety rate. Like
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: if you eat just steak, you're only going to eat
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: what you need. Like your body knows when to stop.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: But if there's mashed potatoes next to the steak and
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: spaghetti next to the steak and bread and all these
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: other things, you're just going to keep eating. Exactly. And
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: then cake and butter and ice... Not butter, but cake
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: and ice cream and all this other stuff, you're going
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 2: to keep eating, and you're going to consume excess calories.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: But beef is really expensive now. Like, it's really hard
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: to put a steak on your plate. For the average guy,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: it's insane. It's twice as expensive as pork in Canada
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: right now.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 2: Well, there's also this dumb narrative that cows are responsible
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: for climate change, which is just absolutely insane. And whoever...
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: Started promoting that and needs to go to jail because
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: you've done a terrible disservice to people, especially regenerative farming
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 2: that actually sequesters carbon.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: And it's healthy for you.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: No, the farming, the ranchers in my area are fantastic.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: They produce an incredible product. North America has the smallest
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: cattle herd since 1951 this year.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: That's nuts.
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: Very small herd, and that's why it's so hard to
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: get beef.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: Why is that?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: Um, I think, uh, I think there's been a demand
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: spike in the last couple of years. Um, beef prices
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: were low for long. So a lot of ranchers got
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: out of it. I just said, we can't, I can't
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: stay in this business losing money every year. And then
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden prices started to go up and, uh,
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: and moods have changed a lot on beef, even in
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: the last three, four years. So now they're trying to
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: keep up with the demand. But I'm happy to see
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: the ranchers doing well, but I'd sure like to see
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: middle-class families to be able to afford to have beef again. But,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: you know, my theory on one of the reasons why
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: the marketing has shifted towards all this processed crap, and
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: this goes back to my obsession, which is inflation. Because
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: instead of just raising the prices, they downgrade the quality
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: of the food. They strip out the nutrients and they
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: inject garbage into our food. uh, the, the, the companies
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: do that is ultimately less nutritious, but if the price
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: tag doesn't necessarily look like it's changing. So it's one
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: of the more insidious ways that the system is able
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: to charge you to, to, to pass inflationary costs on
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  Speaker 1: without you seeing it in that, the price tag that's
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 1: underneath the product.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: They also engineer food to be compulsive. Like you're more compulsively.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah, sure. Especially like chips and stuff
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: like that in America.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: What country do you think? does nutrition the best around
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: the world?
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a good question. Well, Japan has one of
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: the lowest obesity rates, right? And when you look at
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: Japanese food, like what is it? It's like fish and
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: rice and vegetables. They don't use glyphosate, I don't think.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: I think the way they process their wheat is very
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: different than ours. We have higher gluten levels in our wheat,
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: because we have more complex glutens in our wheat, so
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: we have higher yield. And then on top of that,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: they dry all the wheat out with glyphosate at the end,
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: which is fucking terrible for you. And they were trying
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: to ban that in America, but then Trump passed an
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: executive order stopping it. So this is one of the
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: things that Kennedy kind of ran on, is that he
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: wanted to stop the ubiquitous use of glyphosate. And especially
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: glyphosate you know, used with wheat to dry it out.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: So it's not used as an herbicide. It's used to
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: dry out the wheat at the end so that it
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: doesn't get moldy, which is crazy. You're spraying poison on wheat.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: And most Americans, if you test them, have glyphosate in
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 2: their blood, you know, and the apologist will say, oh,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: but it's at safe levels. Well, we don't even really
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: know what that means. We're talking about decades and decades
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: of consuming this stuff. That can't be good. I mean,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: it literally kills plants. It destroys gut bacteria. It can't
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 2: be good. It would be better. When you eat overseas,
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: like if I eat pasta or bread in Italy, you
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: feel better. It doesn't kill you like it does in America.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: You don't get that same feeling.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: Interesting. I don't know anything about glyphosate. Do you guys.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: Use glyphosate in Canada?
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: I don't know anything about it. I feel bad saying that,
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: but I should do my homework on that one.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: Well, we have corn that's engineered to survive glyphosate. We
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: have Roundup-ready corn so that you could spray glyphosate on
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: the corn that kills all the other things that you
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: don't want growing. Okay. But how can that be good?
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: They did a test of California wines, and what was
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: the number? It was like some preposterous number of California
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: wines tested positive for glyphosate. Is that right? In the
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: high 90s, I think. Okay. Which is just nuts.
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know anything about glyphosate, I have to admit.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: I'll do my research if you've piqued my curiosity.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: The problem is in America, our food system is entirely
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 2: dependent on it at this point. Okay. They want to
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 2: change it, and so there's a lot of strategies. One
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: of them is they have these machines that use lasers,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: and these lasers go over a field and actually target
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: the weeds.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: So instead of spraying poison on them, they just zap
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 2: these weeds and they can identify the difference between the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: weed and the crop. Really? Yeah.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: The wine was 10 out of 10 tested.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: 10 out of 10.
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: I was looking at the Japanese obesity thing. They have
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: an interesting law that they put in place in 2008
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: where I believe it says workplaces have to measure people's
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 3: waist of adults over 40 to find out if they're
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: potentially overweight.
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: Those people don't get fined. The companies get fined. So
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 3: they have to then provide them counseling, diet advice, exercise.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: Guidance, etc.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: And they also use a lower BMI than we do.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 3: Theirs starts at 25. It says it's because they have
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: a higher risk in Asian populations for obesity.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: Interesting. I wonder why that is. I wonder if that's
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 2: because of a lot of rice consumption.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Way lower, 4.6%.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: 4 to 6% compared to 42%.
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's crazy. Their obesity rates are 4 to 6%,
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: and we're 42. 42 is nuts. 42 is so crazy.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: We've got to find out what the Japanese are doing.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: My next stop has got to be Tokyo.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, they eat healthy food. But that does make sense.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, implementing something like that, it sounds very restrictive,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: you know? I mean, I don't want to tell a
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: guy he can't have a gut. Like, I have a
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: lot of friends that are fat, and I love them
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: to death. I'd like them to be healthy, but I wouldn't,
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: you know, I don't believe you should have that kind
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 2: of control over people.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: I think you should encourage healthy behavior. I don't think
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: you should mandate it.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need carrots, not sticks.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Carrots, literally.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: Literally.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: But the system is like, you know, I think of
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: the opioid thing. That's an incredible story, really.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: That's a horrible story. That's a horrible story. And, you know,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: the fact that no one's going to jail for that
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: is infuriating.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: They should.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 2: What they did and what the deception that they used
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: to pretend that that stuff is not addictive, that it's
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: not the same as heroin, is just absolutely atrocious. And
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: the fact that they got away with it and that
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 2: the Sackler family, just that one family, I don't know
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: if you've ever seen the Netflix docudrama series, Painkiller, or
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: Was it called Painkiller?
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: They're the guys from Purdue, right? Purdue Pharma.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: I think they were Purdue Pharma.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken. I mean, how many lives were
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 2: destroyed by that?
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: Well, half a million ended in the U.S.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, at least.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: And 50,000 in Canada. We lost more people in the
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: last 10 years to opioid overdoses than we lost fighting
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: in the Second World War. Oh my God, that's so crazy.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: And we, you know, these companies, I mean, it started
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: in the States with Purdue and a number of others
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: where they basically started lying to the system and paying,
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 1: they actually paid bonuses to distributors for every overdose they caused.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: What?
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: They actually tracked the overdoses and then paid bonuses to
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: distributors because that was an indicator of how successfully they
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: were pushing the drugs onto doctors and pharmacists and the system.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: It all came out in the court because there was
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: a huge lawsuit and the companies had to pay $ 50
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: billion because of an American government lawsuit against them. But
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: they actually paid bonuses for overdose rates.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 2: That is insane.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: It's wild. And they basically, they were very Very strategic.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 1: They said, we're going to go to working class neighborhoods
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: where there's huge unemployment. So, you know, in the Rust
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: Belt of America, where people were out of work and
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 1: they obviously had some minor industrial injuries and said, you know,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: this will solve every ache and pain. Take OxyContin. And
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: it felt great when they first started taking it. And
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: then it spread into Canada as well. And then it
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: mutated in from OxyContin into fentanyl, which is a hundred
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 1: times more powerful than heroin. It can stop your, your
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 1: lungs in 15 seconds, just absolutely deadly. And, uh, we,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 1: you know, these companies, these dirt bag companies should be paying, uh,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: hundreds of billions of dollars to cover the treatment and
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: recovery of the people whose lives have been ruined by this.
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Well, it's just insane that they only had to pay
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: a percentage of the amount of money that they profited.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: It is insane. They should have gone to jail.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 2: They should have had to pay, first of all, give
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: all the money back.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, what you did was unbelievably evil.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: And you were allowed to profit from it, which is crazy.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: For years.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Even the Sackler family, the amount that they got fined
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: was a small percentage of what they actually made.
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know how people live with themselves when they
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: They're sociopaths. They have to be.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: They basically got into the entire system, the healthcare system,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: the medical community, and they pushed these over-prescriptions. Um, and
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: then they got this crazy idea that they pushed in
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: places like Portland and Seattle and San Francisco that the
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: government should start giving out opioids that are safer than
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: the ones that are on the street as an alternative
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: to keep people from having contaminated drugs, which made the
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: problem even worse because those, the, the, the addicts would
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: sell those to kids so that they could buy the
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: harder stuff off the street and it expanded it even more. And, um,
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: So one of the things we're focused on, my plan,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: is massive treatment and recovery programs to get people off drugs.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: Abstinence-based treatment is incredible. It's very successful, and we're saving
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: lives now in Canada. You get them in, you get
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: them counseling, group therapy treatment, sweat lodges for First Nations,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: people's physical exercise is a big part of it. I
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: went to one treatment center in Saskatchewan, and they actually
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: bought these rusted-out weights. And they had the guys like
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: lifting weights and the bureaucrats are saying, well, why are
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: you spending money on weights? What does that have to
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: do with it? He says, well, it's been the best
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: thing we had. These guys started to see their biceps
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: grow and they're like, I want to look like this.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: And if I take drugs, I'm not going to look
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: like this. So it was one of the best things
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: they did. Then you get them into jobs and treatment and.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: There's one guy that I met in B.C. He was
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: going to kill himself. He drove his car into a
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: brick wall because he was so ruined by his addiction.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: But he didn't die. He couldn't even pull it off.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: So he actually went into treatment, turned his life around,
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: started a business. He's got six employees. And now he's
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: going out on the street and like helping, you know,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: pulling guys off the street and bringing them in and
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: saving their lives. So it's actually a really hopeful ending
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 1: to the story if we can shift all our resources
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: over to treatment and recovery services, which is one of
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: my big objectives.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: Are you aware of Ibogaine? No. So former Republican governor
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: of Texas, Rick Perry, is involved in this Ibogaine initiative
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: here in Texas. And one of the things that they found,
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: you know, he works very closely with veterans. And, you know,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: obviously a lot of these guys, they come back. from
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 2: the war. They have PTSD. They have a lot of pain.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: They get addicted to pills. And then they have an
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: incredibly difficult time getting off of it. And there's a
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: treatment called Ibogaine. And Ibogaine comes from the iboga tree.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: It's like a natural psychedelic that has no recreational use whatsoever.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: It's not fun. And it's apparently a brutal 24-hour experience,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: but it rewires the brain, stops the pathways of addiction.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: And just one Ibogaine treatment, one session, the amount of
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: people that never go back to using those drugs is
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: in the 80%. Really? When they do two sessions, it's
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: in the 90s. Wow. It's incredible. So they're implementing it here.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: And Rick Perry, who was like a staunch... Anti-drug, hardline
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: Republican guy, great guy. But realized from talking to these veterans,
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: maybe you have to have an open mind and look
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: at this. We have this blanket term that we use
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: for drugs. And we say, oh, Ibogaine is a drug.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 2: You don't want to take drugs. But this psychedelic, this Ibogaine,
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: apparently it's like a 24-hour review of your life. that
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: in some way, some chemical way rewires your system and
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 2: stops the pathways of addiction.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: It's like a factory reset.
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: And so they're starting to implement it here in Texas
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: and they're going to use it for veterans.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: So have they studied this?
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: And they've done, is it approved like as a treatment
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: or what?
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: Well, it's being approved here in Texas and they're trying
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: to do it in other places. And I know a
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 2: friend of mine, my friend, Ed Clay, he started a
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: center down in Mexico and And the reason why he
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: did it was because he got hooked on pills. He
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: hurt his back. He got hooked on pills. He had
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: to figure out how to get off of it. And
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: he did one Ibogaine session, got clean. Really? And was like,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: I need to educate people and help people with this.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: Let me start this system. And, you know, and it's
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: very successful. I know multiple people that have done it.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: And especially veterans that have done it and had profound
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: changes in their life because of this.
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: And again, there's no recreational use for this. There's no
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 2: chance of abusing it. Okay. It's not fun. Like to
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: get people to do it twice is very hard.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: But even doing it once. But if you do it,
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: it's incredibly effective. Much more effective than any other form
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: of therapy. Really? Yes.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: Okay. Well, I'll have to look out for that one
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: because we need it. We still have a challenge up
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 1: in Canada.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: I can connect you with Rick Perry. Okay. And he's...
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: Him and Brian Hubbard are incredible with their advocacy and
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: the promotion of this. What they've done is really amazing.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: We've got to get people off these drugs. We're making
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: some good progress in Canada. Our biggest challenges are just
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 1: the long-term aftermath of the opioid problem, like you have
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: had down here. But I think we can overcome it.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 1: And we have to try some new things in order
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: to get people off these things because when you're doing fentanyl,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: it's Russian roulette. You might not have more than a
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: day to live if you're still taking that stuff.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: It's so dangerous. And it's in everything. It's in so
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: many different street versions of pills that people think are safe,
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: like Xanax. There's like illegal Xanax, like street Xanax, and
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: there's fentanyl in them. People take it and they die.
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: Right, absolutely. I've met so many mothers. They just come
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: up to me at my rallies and things, and they
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: tell me the story, and they show me a picture,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: and you say, man, it's a beautiful child. That child
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: looks healthy and smart, and she went to a party,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: and they were handing the shit out.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: There's a high school kid here in town that took
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: a street Adderall and had fentanyl in it, and he died.
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, somebody sold him what he thought was Adderall. Look,
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: that's what killed Prince. That's what killed Tom Petty. Adderall? No, no, fentanyl.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 3: Fentanyl.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: They got street drugs from someone. Like, they're both in pain,
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: and they become addicted to the pills. And then they got, like,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: a pill from a roadie.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: And took it and died.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. Petty, did he sing Last Dance.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: With Mary Jane? Last Dance for Mary Jane, yeah. Right.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: That's really sad.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, he sung a bunch of amazing songs. American Girl.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, Tom Petty was a legend and died because
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: of fentanyl. Prince is one of the great musical genius
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: of human history.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: And fentanyl got him too.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: Died from fentanyl. Unbelievable. He had hip pain. He needed
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: a hip replacement. His hip was blown out and he
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: was in agony all the time. So he started taking
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: pills and then next thing you know, you're hooked. And
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: I've had family members that got hooked on it.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Did they get through it?
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: One of them didn't. Yeah. I mean, he hurt his
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: back doing construction and started taking pills and now he's
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: a waste. That's the sad thing.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: It's just a mess. And they're not law-breaking people.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: Often it's folks who work in physically demanding jobs. They
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: get an injury. And it's easy to judge. But when
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 1: you're in excruciating pain and you find something that makes
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 1: it go away, it's understandable.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: Also, if you're not educated in these subjects and you
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: just trust the doctor, you go to a doctor and
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: the doctor says you need pain medication. And then all
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 2: of a sudden you're on it. You know?
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: It's easy to see how people get locked into that
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: and then they can't break loose.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: Well, the pathway to physical addiction is so well known
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: and studied. It's very, very addictive, which is why it's
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: so horrific that they actually promoted the fact that these
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: things are not addictive when they were promoting them.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: They knew exactly what they were doing. They were absolute crooks.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 1: And I'm hoping we get big settlements out of them
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 1: the way you did down here. And I want to
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: put all that money into treatment and recovery, get people
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: off these drugs and And rescue them. I think we
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: can save these lives. The treatment, it works. It's tough.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: Like people go through it. They say it's, it was
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: the worst experience of my life to go through that withdrawal,
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: but it can be done and you come out stronger
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: on the other side.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: It can be done. And I think the most important
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 2: thing is perfectionism. and education and letting kids know like, hey,
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: this is not what you want to get involved with.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: You want to have a happy, successful life. This is
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: going to stop that. This is going to keep you
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: from having it. This might kill you and it's definitely
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: going to ruin you.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're right about fitness though because when I
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: was young, I hung around with a lot of people
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: who got into a lot of trouble and I could
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: have ended up there. The reason I didn't, frankly, is sports.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: I had something else to drive me. So it's one
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: of the reasons why we need to get our young
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: people active in sporting activities when they're in that age group.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: Because if you're not giving them an outlet, then they'll
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: end up down that scary path.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, 100%. And also you realize that if you want
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: to be effective in sports, like you can't party.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: It's like, it'll rob you of your vitality.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Of your performance.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: No, I, when I played hockey and I, I showed
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: up a few times hungover and I was just shit.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: Like it was terrible, but, uh, you learn pretty quick
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 1: that you gotta be on your game. So we've got
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: to promote more of the fitness at the, at the,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: at the youth level as well. And, um, and is
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: that happening here? It's funny. I remember when I came
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: down here, um, as a 16 year old, I haven't
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: been here in 30 years. Um, I, uh, we, we
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: got into town and the people who were hosting us, uh,
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: we were driving us to their home and we saw
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: the stadium and there's like 20,000 people and it was
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: in Houston. And I said, is that the Cowboys playing?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: And they said, no, no, that's a, that's a high
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: school league. It's like, okay, in Canada, we don't have
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: high school leagues with 20,000 people coming out. But, um,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: but the sports are so massive here.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Oh, football is gigantic here. It's a religion.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible. Who do you cheer for, by the way?
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 2: In Texas?
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you personally.
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: Well, I've got into UT football. Okay. I really love
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 2: going to the UT games. It's so fun, and they're
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: so enthusiastic, and they just love it. It's like when
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: you're a part of it, when the touchdowns get scored
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: and everybody's cheering, it's so contagious. Right. It's really amazing.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: And it's just like the enthusiasm they have for it
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: is like, You're like, wow, this is a great, these
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: people love this here. But I've been to high school
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: football games, and it's the same thing. Like, packed stadiums
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 2: for high school football games. And you're like, this is nuts, man.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: These people love their sports.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 1: We're like that for hockey in Canada.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: It's serious, serious. Like, parents are very fixated. And I
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: think it's actually a good thing. Some people say, oh,
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: it's terrible. I think it's great to have parents that
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: are competitive because they're pushing their kids to be better
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: and more excellent. And even if they don't end up
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 1: as NHL hockey players... It gives them the competitive edge,
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: and I want us to be a more competitive society.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: Well, when I was a kid, I worked at the
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: Boston Athletic Club, and one of the people that I,
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: I was a fitness instructor when I was 19, and
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: one of the people that I worked with was Bobby Orr. Oh, really? Yeah,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: Bobby Orr used to come there and train, and we
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: used to have to help him get on the VersaClimber
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: machine because his body was so wrecked. Really? He had
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: so many surgeries. His knees were so destroyed. He had
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: scars all up and down his knee. He had knee
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: surgery back when they were just experimenting. They didn't really
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: know how to fix knees. They just cut you open,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: screwed things back together again, and then it would blow
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: apart again. And then you'd wind up having another surgery.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: So he had many, many knee surgeries, and he could
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 2: barely walk.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 1: But he was still doing some kind of physical activity?
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. He was playing racquetball.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: How old was he at the time?
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 2: This was 1986, I think. So, I mean.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Jeez, that's like, what, 40 years ago now?
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: Uh-huh, yeah. So he was, you know, he was probably
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: in his 50s, 40s or 50s. He was, but he
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: could barely walk. I mean, his knees didn't straighten out. Really?
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: They were always, like, slightly bent, and they only bent
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 2: that much. His range of motion was very small. So
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: you had to help him get on machines. But the
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 2: nicest guy.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: And a legend. Like, you couldn't believe he was really there.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 2: Like he would walk into the gym and you're like,
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, it's really, as I was 19, I
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: never met a famous person. And I was like, that's
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: Bobby Orr.
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: This is nuts. But it also made me realize like, boy,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: knee surgeries, no joke. Like this guy was like an
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: incredible athlete and now he can't even straighten his leg out. Yeah.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 1: It's all temporary. You got to take care of yourself.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 1: Do you, do you have like residual injuries from fighting
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: back in the day?
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've had three knee surgeries, two reconstructions.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Was that from Taekwondo?
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and jiu-jitsu. One of my ACL injuries was from jiu-jitsu.
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 1: And what injuries are the most common in jiu-jitsu?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 2: Knees, backs, necks, shoulders. Those are the big ones. Elbows.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: Is that because of the arm bars and all that stuff?
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not tapping. That's a big one. A lot of
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 2: guys get hurt just because of their ego. Because they
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: don't want to tap.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: And you don't strike me as the type of guy
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: who taps very quickly.
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: Well, when I was younger, I was really stupid and
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: I wasn't into tapping. Right. But as I got older,
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: I got a lot smarter. Fortunately, I got a lot better.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: So I wasn't like in a situation where I had
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: to tap a lot. Right. But if I did, I did.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: I just tapped. And that's the smart thing to do.
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: And I would tell people, treat it like you're playing basketball.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 2: Don't treat it like it's your life or death. The
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: game is life or death. The game is if a
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 2: guy gets you in an arm bar, he's essentially breaking
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 2: your arm. If he breaks your arm, he can kill you. Right.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: That's the game. But don't treat it like that. Treat
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: it like you can tap and keep going. Right. Or
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: you cannot tap and your arm's going to be destroyed
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: maybe for the rest of your life. Right. And I've
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: seen that happen with people where their forearm snaps and
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: they have to have plates in it and then it's
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: a chronic injury for the rest of their life. Right.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I can imagine that. And what about in Taekwondo?
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: Like you told the story once about how you really
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: clocked a guy. I think it was a wheel kick
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: or something. And that like freaked you out.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 2: That changed my whole outlook on fighting because I realized
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: that could happen to me. And I had knocked people
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: out before, but I'd never knocked anybody out where they
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 2: didn't get up. Like usually they get up and they're
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: wobbly and, you know, they get sat down and, you know,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: medics take care of them. And, you know, after a
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: while they're walking around. And this guy never got up.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: And I never really got over that. I never had
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: the same lust for hurting people. Because it was just,
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: I was young. I was 19. And when you're 19,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: you think you're invincible. Or you don't think about the consequences.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: I knew I could get hurt. I'd been hurt before.
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: I'd been kicked really hard and punched really hard before.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: I knew I was vulnerable. But I didn't think there
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: was going to be anything permanent.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Did the guy ever get out of the hospital?
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know what happened to him. I don't know
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: what happened to him.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Maybe he'll hear this show and give you a call
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: and say that he's all right.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: Oh, no, no.
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: He probably don't want to talk to me.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: Well, your spinning back kick is incredible. I saw you
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: in GSP doing that video where you were showing him
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: how to do the back kick.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: Did he ever use that in a fight?
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he did. Yeah, he did. He landed it? Yeah,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: he used it a lot. It's a thing that, like,
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: you have to almost grow up doing it.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: You know, unless you're dealing, like John Jones developed it
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: later in his career.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: I saw that.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: He's a wizard.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: But he kind of like started implementing it like sort
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: of three, two-thirds through his career. Did you teach him
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 1: how to do that?
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: No, no, I did not. He worked with a Taekwondo
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: coach in Albuquerque. Okay. And he just really worked on
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: that one technique specifically when he went up to heavyweight
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: because the guys would be, first of all, less agile
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: and mobile. And also it was the kind of technique
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: where you could stop a guy with one shot.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: And when you're a guy who's smaller than most heavyweights,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: which John is, because he was a light heavyweight, so
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 2: he was fighting at 205 most of his career, and
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: just as a challenge decided to go up to heavyweight.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: But he's so intelligent. He realized, like, I need a
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: one shot that I could put people away. So he
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: spent hours and hours every week. just going over the
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: spinning back kick.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: Really? To the body or the head?
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the body. The body. Yeah. It's like getting hit
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: by a car. Right. There's so much power in that.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: You get hit with that. Like a wheel kick to
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: the head is really difficult to develop. That's, it's like
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: a fast twitch thing that, it's almost like your body
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: has to evolve and grow doing that to really develop
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: the kind of speed that you could pull it off
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: on a skilled opponent in a fight.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: And the accuracy.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: Like to try and time that all, that must be incredible.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's, There's freak athletes that could pick it
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: up later in life. There's some people that are just
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: really good at everything. They just have amazing dexterity and coordination.
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 2: But for most people, like I learned it when I
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: was a kid. So like my body matured doing those things.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: My body matured kicking. And it became a part of
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 2: like just my average like normal movement of life. Right. Right.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: And the spinning back kick, though, is it typically a
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: body kick?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: Yes. Do you throw with that? I've thrown it to
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: the face, too, especially a jump spinning back kick to
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: the face.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: Wow. Taekwondo, wasn't it really the Koreans that developed so
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: they could actually kick a man off a horse in war?
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: Is that why the kicks are so high?
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it was just because
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: they're smaller in stature, and they realized that you had
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 2: to have more powerful kicks.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: You know, because your legs are always carrying your body around.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 2: There's a lot more mass to your muscles and your legs,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: and there's a lot more force you can generate with
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: your kicks.
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: Did you ever see the fight between Rick Rufus and
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: that Muay Thai guy?
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that incredible?
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that changed kickboxing. We've showed that fight a hundred
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: times on this podcast.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: It's amazing because it was like Americans versus Thai.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: But we didn't really understand leg kicks. Right. Because PKA karate...
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: And I found this out later because of Benny Urquidez,
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 2: who came in the podcast. He told me that the
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: reason why they didn't allow leg kicks in PKA karate
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 2: was because of Bill Wallace. So Bill Superfoot Wallace famously
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: had one leg that he kicked with. It was because
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: his other leg, he had a bad knee. Right. And
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: he didn't want anybody kicking his legs.
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: So he promoted this idea that only have above the
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: waist kicks.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: And that's what we had in America. Like, that's what
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: Jean-Yves Thériault fought most of his career. That's right.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: He did. He fought Rufus himself, actually.
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that was incredible. Because if you looked at
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: the art form, Rufus was so much more. beautiful to
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: watch than the Thai guy. He came in, he broke
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: the guy's jaw in the first round, I think. He
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: knocked him down a few times. Was it once or twice?
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 2: He knocked him down a couple of times, I believe,
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: but it was amazing.
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: And the guy just kept chopping his leg. And then
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: I think he went out in a stretcher because his
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 1: leg was busted in like nine places.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: He didn't know what to do. He didn't understand it.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: What was really interesting is his brother, Duke, became a
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: Muay Thai world champion after that fight.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: Was that the guy who was at the fight commenting
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: after the fight was done? Yes. Yes, I remember that.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: He was saying it doesn't take any skill.
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: There's no skill. Yes, I remember that.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: He was embarrassed by that later in his life because
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 2: he became one of the top MMA trainers. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: And he took on Muay Thai. Yes.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 2: Well, he became a Muay Thai world champion and he
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: developed Rufus Sport, which is a great gym in Milwaukee,
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 2: a top gym. Developed world champions like Anthony Pettis. So
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: he was, you know, he was a pioneer. It was
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: one of the guys that had to figure it out. And,
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 2: you know, he spent time in Thailand. They all they
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: all learned it. They had to learn because.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: It was the best place in Thailand to go. Is
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 1: it Phuket? Is it Bangkok?
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: Like, well, there's so many good places. Thailand's the real
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: motherland of Muay Thai, obviously. And it's like, you know,
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: Phuket's amazing. Bangkok's amazing. I mean, there's so many amazing
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: gyms that are in in Thailand.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: They're tough guys. There's whole strips in Phuket. My wife
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: and I were there on vacation once and we just
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: stumbled on this whole street and you could do, there
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: was sort of American style boxing. There was a CrossFit
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: type thing. Then there was that Tiger Muay Thai and
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: a bunch of other Muay Thai facilities. And then there's
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: like street vendors that were cooking meals specifically for people
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 1: who are there training. Like you could buy a beautiful
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: hard boiled eggs and and avocado and chicken strips, and
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: this is like high protein, just catered to the people
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: who come from around the world to train for like five,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: six weeks in a clinic.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: And there's people that do it just recreationally. My friend Mark,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: he's a businessman. He's in his 60s.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: And he did it?
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 2: He went over to Thailand to train.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 1: Did he survive?
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow. He trained. I saw him the other day.
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: He had a black eye. He's in his 60s. I'm like,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: what are you doing, man?
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: So if you were starting from scratch and you wanted
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: to be an MMA, would you do like you go
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: to– Thailand and do like two months there and then
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: go to Dagestan to learn how to wrestle? Is that
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: the best combo?
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: If you were starting out, if you were a kid,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: I would say wrestling. Wrestling's number one. That's the most
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: important thing to learn. Because if a guy can take
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 2: you down, he can do whatever he wants to. If
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: he can take you down and hold you down and
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 2: beat you up. If you don't know how to wrestle,
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: you can't fight. You need at least to learn wrestling
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: just to understand wrestling, takedown defense.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: But you did jiu-jitsu later in life, didn't you?
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 2: Yes. Right. I didn't start jiu-jitsu until I was 29,
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: I think. Right.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: And who do you like right now? Who do you
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: think is the most interesting fighter to watch these days?
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, there's so many. It's impossible to say the most interesting.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: There's a guy from Spain, Ilya Tepuria.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Tepuria.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like Tepuria.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: He's what David Goggins calls uncommon amongst uncommon men.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: Want some more coffee?
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 2: No, no, thank you. I'm good. Thank you. He's a freak.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's just incredibly talented. Like, weirdly talented. Like,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: his last three fights, he knocked out three all-time greats.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: Holloway?
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Holloway, Alexander, and Charles Oliveira. So that's crazy. Volkanovsky,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 2: who's like one of the greatest featherweights of all time,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 2: knocked him out. Knocked out Max Holloway, another one of
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: the greatest featherweights of all time. And then Charles Oliveira,
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest lightweights of all time. He knocks
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 2: out three guys in three fights. There's no one has
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 2: a resume like that.
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 1: And he's not like, as I understand, he was a
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: Greco-Roman guy.
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: And he became a boxer later on.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 2: He's just talented.
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: How do you describe, like, So I'm not knowledgeable in
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: this area, but the way he almost looks like he
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: has a Philly shell. Is that a Philly shell what
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: he does with one arm down?
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of that. Well, he has amazing defense.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 2: It's just amazing awareness and pattern recognition, technique. He's a
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: combination of all things, right? Incredible confidence, incredible intelligence, insane discipline,
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: work ethic. But just great training methods. Like, he does
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: everything right. And then insane confidence. Like, his confidence is insane.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: When he fought Charles Oliveira for the lightweight title, he
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: celebrated his victory the night before. He had a party
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: to celebrate the night before the fight. And then went
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: out and knocked Charles out in the first round. And
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 2: said he was going to knock Charles out in the
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: first round.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 2: One punch, boom.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: But you know what impresses me most about him is
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 1: how he got up after that kick to the head
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 1: he took.
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: That was incredible. And you know who else did that
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 1: was GSP. Remember when GSP took that head kick and
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: he went down, but he recovered quickly. And he was
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: talking to me about how, because I said to him,
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 1: like in politics, you get hit, right? And not physically,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: if you're lucky, but you have to be able to
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: get up quickly and react to it. I asked him,
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 1: how did you do it? How did you like how
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: does your brain go from taking that kind of hit
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: to getting back in the fight and turning it around?
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: And he said he like it's two very deep breaths
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: through the nose and then out through the mouth and
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 1: get some oxygen back into your system and focus your mind.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: I thought that was an incredible lesson.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, it's all in how you get kicked.
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: Because you could just get knocked out.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 1: And then it's over.
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do. If you get shut off,
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: you get shut off. And certain people get shut off.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: You just get kicked. You can get kicked and it
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: kind of glances off of you. Or you can get
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: kicked and it just slams right in the side of
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: your neck and the lights go dark. Right.
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 1: But if you're still able to recover and think quickly,
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 1: it's incredible to have that kind of pre-programming to ready
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 1: you for a moment like that.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, that's a big part of his, what
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: I was talking about, the camp that he comes from.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, Firas Zahabi is like one of the most
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: intelligent and one of the most brilliant trainers in the sport.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: Who's this?
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: Firas Zahabi. He's the guy from Montreal. Oh, that's. TriStar.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 1: So he's the guy who trains his.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 2: Yes. Trains GSP. Oh, GSP. Okay. Yes. Okay. And I mean,
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 2: I think that is, that's a big part of why
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: GSP was able to recover. Like, they prepare for everything. Right.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: You know, it's like, there's nothing left to chance. Like,
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: He hires people to try to knock George out in training.
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 2: That was one of the things he did. He would
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: give them more money if they could knock him out.
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: So he would be fully prepared when he was fighting.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 2: They leave no stone uncovered.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: Don't you have to budget, though, the number of headshots
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: you take?
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, 100%. But he was pretty confident that George... I mean,
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: it wasn't like he was doing this with a beginner.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: He was doing this with a world champion, one of
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: the greatest of all time. He wanted George to be
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 2: in danger. You know, so George had to fight like
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: he was going to fight inside the octagon. Right. In danger.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: Because John Jones said somewhere that he had, like, every
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 1: time he gets hit hard in camp, he said, like,
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: I just, that's part of my brain budget that's been
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: taken away.
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: Well, that's why John's so smart. He recognized that. There's
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of people that don't think that way. John
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 2: also famously won't take a fight on short notice.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: He wants to be fully prepared for a fighter. Even
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 2: a guy, like when he fought Chael Sonnen, They offered
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: him a Chael Sonnen fight on short notice, and he
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: said no. There is not a time, no disrespect to Chael.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: He's a great fighter. There's not a time on this life,
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 2: in this earth, where Chael Sonnen is going to beat
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 2: Jon Jones. It's just not going to happen. He could
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: have taken that fight on one day's notice and still
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: beat Chael Sonnen. He's that much better than him. But
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: he still wouldn't take it. He's like, no, I'm going
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: to be fully 100% prepared.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: That's smart, though.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 2: Also, he hated Chael. And so he wanted to make
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 2: sure that there was not a chance that Chael could
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: do anything to him that he wouldn't have been able
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 2: to do if he was trained.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: Do these guys hate each other?
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: Sometimes.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: But most of them, do they respect or is it
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: depends on the fight?
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: It really depends. Like when Ilya Tepurya fought Charles Oliveira,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: he actually apologized to him before the fight. He said,
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, it has to be you. I really like you.
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: Kind of crazy he's got to be careful but he's
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 1: hated people.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: Too he's hated people he fought too i mean there's
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 2: some people that just rub you the wrong way there's
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: some people their strategy is to get inside your head
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: and fuck with you and and for you to fight
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: with emotion well he'd be angry.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 1: With um conor mcgregor mcgregor he oh really hated mcgregor
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna almost didn't let go when the tap
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: happened oh yeah yeah that was that was something else
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: is connor ever gonna come back do you think.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: Only connor knows I mean, if he's going to, he
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 2: has to do it soon. I mean, I think he's 30.
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 2: How old is he now?
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: 37?
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: He's jacked now, eh? Yeah. Well, not anymore.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, he came back down?
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: He was on the Mexican supplements for a while.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: Because he was trying to recover from his leg break. Right.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: So when he fought Dustin Poirier.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: I remember that.
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: He got on some stuff to try to recover for that.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know what he got on, but clearly it helped.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: He got huge. He got super jacked. The problem with
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: getting super jacked like that is then you get addicted
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 2: to what got you super jacked. Because if you're on steroids,
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: you feel like Superman. You know you feel like you
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 2: could just run through walls and then you get off
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: of it and now your endocrine system has to kind
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: of catch up to the fact that you've been giving
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: it exogenous testosterone for all these months and so that
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: takes a long time for you to get back to
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: a normal healthy level so you feel like shit it's
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 2: hard for these guys to get off of steroids.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Right I can imagine you get addicted to being that's
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: right I've never done it. I don't plan on it.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: How old is he? 37. Almost 38.
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: That's getting up there. Who's the oldest fighter that's ever
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: been in the octagon? Like, who's a serious competitor?
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: Probably Randy Couture. I think Randy won the world title,
• 1:58:45
  Speaker 2: the world heavyweight title in his 40s. Wow. Yeah. But
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: Randy didn't even start his mixed martial arts career. I
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: think I was there at his first fight in... 1997,
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: and I think he was 34 or 35 before he
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: ever had an MMA fight. He was just an elite
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 2: wrestler who, you know, made his way into MMA because,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 2: you know, there's no real professional outlet for actual amateur wrestling.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: Did you ever interact with the Gracies?
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, sure.
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 1: Because I remember way back in, like, I remember UFC 2.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 1: It was the second one. That was when it really
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: kicked in. The first one was a little bit strange.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: It was that big fat guy whose tooth went flying out.
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: But number two was the one with Shamrock and Gracie
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: and Dan Severn. Was he in number two? Dan Severn,
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 1: the wrestler?
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: I think he was later.
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 1: He might have been three or four.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 1: But that was kind of the first generation of big names.
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, Hoist Gracie changed the world.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, with his... He was a slow style, though, man.
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 1: You had to have patience to watch him because he'd
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 1: just lie on his back and wait, wait, wait.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: Well, with Dan Severin, he did because he had to
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: catch him in a triangle. Right. He eventually tapped him,
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 2: and no one even understood what was going on. Like,
• 1:59:58
  Speaker 2: why is he? He's got his legs wrapped around him?
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: What the hell is going on?
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: And then all of a sudden, Dan Severin's tapping out.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: You're like, this is crazy. So a man who weighed
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: literally 100 pounds more than him or close to it. Right.
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 2: On top of him and hoist beat him.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 1: Well, Dan Severin didn't appear to have any finishing moves.
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 1: Like he's thinking, I got you on your back. I've
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: pinned you. I've won the wrestling match.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: He would kind of give you little noogies, little sandwiches.
• 2:00:20
  Speaker 1: But then, of course, eventually that anaconda comes in and
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: either chokes you out or takes your arm.
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: Well, no one understood jiu-jitsu until Hoist came around. And
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: he was.
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 1: His dad, wasn't it? His dad that introduced it to
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 1: the family?
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: His dad and his uncle. So it was Carlos Gracie
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: and Elio Gracie who were the real founders of Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: And then Carlson Gracie. Okay. And those guys were the pioneers,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: and they were having no-rules fights in the 1930s and 40s. Wow. Yeah.
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: And did they bring it over from Japan?
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: Maeda brought it over from Japan, and they taught the Gracies.
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, Elio Gracie famously had a match
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 2: with Kimura, who was a Japanese judoka who broke Elio's
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 2: arm with a Kimura. And that's how that technique— that' s why
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 2: it's called a Kimura— Really? Yeah. In catch wrestling, they
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: call it a double wrist lock.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: But we call it a Kimura because Kimura broke Elio
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: Gracie's arm with this. Really? Elio just refused to tap,
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: and it's like, and eventually it snapped his arm. Wow.
• 2:01:27
  Speaker 1: That's incredible.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: They're having these long no-rules fights in Brazil long before
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 2: anybody had any idea what MMA was in America. And
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: then Hoyce's brother, Hickson, who was the best out of
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: all of them. Hickson was fighting people when he was
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: 18 in these big arenas in Brazil.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: Unbelievable. And then I guess Dana White brought it in
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 1: with UFC.
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Dana. There was another organization before Zufa
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: owned the UFC. And this other organization, they started it
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: with Horian Gracie. So Horian Gracie was the guy who
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 2: founded the UFC. Okay. And originally they were talking about
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: putting like a moat around the cage and having crocodiles
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 2: in it and shit. They wanted it to be like
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 2: completely insane. Because what it was for Horian, Horian's a
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: brilliant man. And for him, what he wanted was to
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 2: promote jujitsu. And he's like, this is going to be
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 2: the best way to open up schools all over the
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: country and to show this art that my father had created. Right.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: So they had really taken some of the ground techniques
• 2:02:34
  Speaker 2: of judo and really refined them to a razor sharp edge.
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: And also one of the things that helped a lot
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: was that Elio was a small man. He was only
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: like 145 pounds. And so he had to use only
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 2: technique and leverage. He couldn't rely on brute strength. And
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: so it was one of the best sort of advertisements
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 2: is to have Hoyce, who was also fairly small, he
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: was only 175 pounds, beat all these big giant muscle-bound
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: guys with pure technique because they didn't understand what he
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: was doing. And he was like, this is going to
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: be brilliant. And it worked. I mean, the name Gracie
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: and jujitsu are synonymous.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 1: It's everywhere now. Like we even have them in Canada
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 1: where these schools will have the Gracie name. And obviously
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 1: they have no attachment to Gracie's, the Brazilian Gracie's. But
• 2:03:21
  Speaker 1: everybody wants to learn the Gracie style.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: Well, they probably do have like Gracie Baja, which is
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: a huge affiliate of Jim's. They're all over the country,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: the world. They're everywhere. Are they good? Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Oh,
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: there's like, it's very difficult to have a bad jujitsu
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: gym today.
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 1: Why is that? Because they're so competitive?
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: It's too competitive. There's too many good people. There's too
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: many good gyms. Like in Austin alone, Austin alone has
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 2: like 10 amazing jujitsu schools.
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: Do you go, do you go enroll quite often?
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 2: There's a place right up the street, 10th Planet Jujitsu,
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 2: which is the school that I started with in California. Well,
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 2: I started with the Machado. Well, I actually started with
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: Hicks and Gray. I started I started with Hicks and Gracie,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: and then I went to Carlson Gracie. And that was
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: just because I didn't know there was any difference in
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: the Gracies. And then Carlson Gracie was closer to my house.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'll go to this Gracie place.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 2: It's closer. This is when I was a white belt.
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: I didn't know anything. And then when they closed, when
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 2: that gym closed, then I went to Jean-Jacques Machado's. And
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: so I started training there in 1998. And that was
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: in the Valley in California. But then one of Jean-Jacques'
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 2: black belts, my best friend Eddie Bravo– He started 10th
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 2: Planet Jiu-Jitsu and then I trained there as well.
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 1: Okay. And in Canada, we see a lot of places
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 1: where they do Muay Thai and Jiu-Jitsu. So you're striking
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: and you're grappling all in one.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 2: Tenth Planet here has a Muay Thai program.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, is that right?
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 2: So that's common now. A lot of those gyms have that.
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 1: And you went to your first as a commentator. You
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: did it like for free, didn't you?
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 2: No, no. I got paid in the early days in
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: the 90s, in 1997, but it wasn't much. I was
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: losing money. But when the UFC was purchased by Zufa
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: in 2001, that was when I was on Fear Factor.
• 2:05:03
  Speaker 2: And I met Dana White and I became friends with him.
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: And he asked me as a favor to do commentary
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: on this one show that they had, UFC 37 and
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 2: a half. It was on Fox Sports, whatever it was.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 2: There was a cable channel. So it was best damn
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 2: sports show period, had this UFC show. And he said,
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: would you do me a favor and just do commentary
• 2:05:25
  Speaker 2: on this one event?
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: And I said, okay, I'll do it for this one.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: And he's like, I want you to do it again.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: And then I was like, okay. I was like, I
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: just wanted to do it for fun like me is
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: like I like going to the fights and I like
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 2: going with my friends and having a good time and
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: I did like the first 15 of them for free
• 2:05:43
  Speaker 2: I just they I knew they were hemorrhaging money and
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: I didn't need me.
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: But you loved it. You love being there It was
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: like a kid in a candy store.
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: Well, so I was very happy to try to promote
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: this thing because for me I It was the ultimate
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: expression of martial arts. Like we need to find out
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: what's the best style.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: And I'd kind of, I had been so engrossed in
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: that world in Japan with pride and all these other
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: organizations that they had over there.
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 1: It's like, what happens if an alligator fights with a tiger?
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: What happens if a lion fights with a bear? We've
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 1: got to match them up and find out.
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 2: Well, it's humans versus humans. So it's just style. Muay
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: Thai versus karate. Because you didn't want to waste your
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: time doing something that didn't work.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: And there was a lot of people that wasted their
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: time doing stuff that didn't work. And we didn't really
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: know what that was until the UFC came along. And
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: then we're like, oh. And now the evolution of martial
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: arts from 1993 when the UFC started to 2026, in
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: those years– Martial arts have evolved more than they have
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: in the last 30,000 years. Right.
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 1: Well, it's like the gap between theory and practice.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: And like Bruce Lee, when he, he started with Wing Chun,
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: but he said that a lot of it was just
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 1: ornamental and he called it dry land swimming. It's like,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: you know, you wouldn't actually do that in a fight.
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 1: And then he got into a lot of contention with
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 1: the scholars of the art form. It's a very beautiful
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 1: art form, Wing Chun, but I don't know if it,
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 1: I can't imagine it works that well.
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: Well, it is, Wing Chun is effective. There's a lot
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 2: of techniques in Wing Chun.
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: If you got into a fist fight between like a
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 1: Muay Thai guy and a Wing Chun guy, who would
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: come out?
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: The Muay Thai guy.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: But it doesn't mean that Wing Chun's not effective and
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: you could use Wing Chun in Muay Thai or in
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 2: an MMA fight, but you have to know everything. That's
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: the reality of it. It's like Taekwondo. Like Taekwondo is
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 2: not effective by itself in an MMA fight. But if
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 2: you know MMA and you know Taekwondo, then you could
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 2: do like what Edson Barboza did to Terry Adam and
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: knock him out with a wheel kick in spectacular fashion. Right.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: Because Jones has like a big blend, right?
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 1: Like he has some Muay Thai, some karate, some– Yes.
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 2: That's what MMA is, mixed martial arts. I mean it's
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: like you take all– and that's Bruce Lee's philosophy. Absorb
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: what's useful. I mean, he was the real first mixed
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 2: martial artist. And when it was very dangerous to do
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: that because people hated him. I mean, they would attack him.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: He would have to have fights with people because they
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 2: thought that he was disrespecting their art. Right. And he
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: combined Western boxing and wrestling. He learned judo from Gene LaBelle.
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 2: He learned things from everybody. He learned karate, savate. He
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: learned all these different martial arts and was absorbing what's
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: useful and putting his own. So Jeet Kune Do, his style,
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: was really the first mixed martial arts style. Is that right? Yeah.
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 1: Do people use it anymore?
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's Jeet Kune Do schools, sure. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, a lot of what Krav Maga is, the
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 2: Israeli martial art, is like kind of a, a combination
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: of things along the same lines of the way Bruce
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: Lee did it.
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 1: Is Krav Maga a good, effective martial arts system?
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: Every martial arts system is effective if you have a
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: great instructor, right? But on their own, like, the best
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: styles are the really strong styles like jujitsu, Muay Thai, wrestling.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: Those are the best, Western boxing. Those are the best
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: styles on their own. But what Krav Maga is, is
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 2: a combination of all those styles. And so if you
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: have a great instructor in Krav Maga, yeah, you'll learn
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: great Muay Thai, you'll learn great jujitsu. It's essentially mixed
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 2: martial arts, but with a lot of emphasis on real
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: world applications, street fights, you know, dirty stuff like eye gouging,
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: you know, poking people in the eye, kicking them in
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 2: the nuts. Yikes. Stuff that works. But that's what you, like,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: you see it in an MMA fight all the time.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: A guy gets poked in the eye. He's like, hang on.
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 2: And he has to stop. Isn't that against the rules?
• 2:09:41
  Speaker 2: It's against the rules. So this guy's getting punched and kicked. And, look,
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 2: Tom Aspinall, he was in the heavyweight title fight, and
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: he got eye poked in the first round. He's had
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: to have two surgeries since then on his eyes, and
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: he hasn't been able to fight. They had to stop
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: the fight in the first round from an eye poke.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: It's very effective. But in Krav Maga, they're like, go
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: for the eyes. Because in a real world fight for
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 2: your life.
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 1: Scenario, it's a good technique. It's for the Israeli military,
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 2:10:07
  Speaker 1: So they have to prepare for, you know, unusual situations
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: where you're trying to survive in a situation where your
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: arm has been, your weapon has been removed and you're.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: And you're just trying to fight for your life.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly. And you're in a situation with hand-to-hand combat. You
• 2:10:22
  Speaker 2: need to learn. You need to know. If a guy
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: takes you down, you can't be lost. Oh, we have
• 2:10:28
  Speaker 2: to get back up so I can fight. No, you
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 2: have to be able to fight on the ground. And
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: that's the idea of it. Like incorporate jiu-jitsu. Incorporate leg kicks,
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: muay thai, western boxing. Even Jeet Kune Do techniques. Even
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: Wing Chun techniques. Really? There's a lot of hand trapping
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: and things in Wing Chun techniques. That can be very
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: effective in a fight.
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 1: It looks really cool what they do with that wooden dummy.
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: Uh-huh.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:10:50
  Speaker 1: It looks really.
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: Exactly. I've never really got into that, but if you
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: do get into that, you'll learn blocking techniques and you'll learn.
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 1: That actually work?
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sure.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 2: But they'll work if you know the other stuff. Right.
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 2: It won't work if a guy just shoots a double
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: on you and takes you down and starts pounding you.
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: You don't know what to do when you're on the bottom. Right.
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: You have to know how to... And this is what
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: really MMA is... taught the world. It's like, you have
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: to be able to defend yourself everywhere, standing up on
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: the ground. You have to be effective in all the realms. Right.
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: But still, we have a lot of people that are
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: pure specialists that do really well in mixed martial arts
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: because they're so good in one area, like Alex Pereira,
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 2: who is the middleweight champion, light heavyweight champion, and now
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 2: he's going up to heavyweight. He's going to be fighting
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 2: at the White House card. Alex Pereira is one of
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: the greatest kickboxers of all time. He's a two-division world
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: champion in kickboxing. But his style is all kickboxing, but
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 2: he just developed takedown defense.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: He can do it all.
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: He can do it all. But he doesn't submit anybody.
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 2: If you're fighting him, you're going to get. it's going
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: to be a stand-up fight. Unless you can take him down,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: he's not going to try to take you down. He's
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: going to try to fuck you up. He's going to
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: try to knock you into another dimension.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: Thanks for the warning. I'll try to avoid the guy fighting.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: Him on the street.
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 1: The funniest thing I ever saw was there's this video
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: of Jon Jones on the street somewhere. And he bumped into,
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: he was talking and he leaned on some guy's motorcycle.
• 2:12:15
  Speaker 1: I think he might've been in Asia or something. The
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: guy had no idea who he was and he started
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 1: screaming at him.
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: Oh no.
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: And John said, I'm very, very sorry. And he turned around,
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: he ran away like he was terrified. And it was
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: obviously he wasn't in any danger, but it was so
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: hilarious that this guy had no idea who he was
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 1: picking a fight with. That's hilarious.
• 2:12:35
  Speaker 2: The guy has no idea. His life flashed before his eyes.
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 1: But he took it well because he was like, you know,
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 1: I don't have anything to prove.
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, John's not the type of guy that would do anything.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, also, what a lawsuit, you know?
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: Your hands are weapons. I mean, his whole body's a weapon.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:12:51
  Speaker 2: Most of those guys are really nice guys in real life.
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: Is that right? Yeah, because they get all their aggression out.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: They don't have anything to prove. They're not the type
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 2: of person. They know what they can do. They don't
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: have to prove it to anybody.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 1: Well, you should come to Winnipeg. They have a fight
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 1: coming up. I think it's in April. It's in April.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 1: A UFC in Winnipeg? Yeah.
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: I've avoided UFCs in Canada.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: Well, come on up.
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: I've avoided it just because of the government, just because
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: of what was going on as a protest. I was like,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 2: this is so fucked.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 1: Well, we'll come back up.
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: Well, if you win, I'll go up there.
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 1: How about that? We should get you up before then.
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 2: You become prime minister, I promise I'll do all the
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 2: UFC events that they have in Canada.
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 1: We need you up in Canada to come do one
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 1: of your comedy shows, and it would be great for
• 2:13:30
  Speaker 1: Canadian tourism.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: I still love going up there. I still love going
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 2: to Massey Hall.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: Toronto. Yeah. I love performing there. I did.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 1: You used to do Montreal. And how old were you
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 1: when you were in Montreal?
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 2: Oh, I started, I think the first time I was
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: up there, I was like 25.
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 1: Such a beautiful city.
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's gorgeous there. Oh, I love that.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 1: Quebec is lovely.
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  Speaker 2: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful province.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing food. Shout out to Joe Beef, one of my
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: favorite restaurants in the world that's in Montreal.
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Montreal is a great place and you should come
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: out to the prairies too. Go to the Calgary Stampede.
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: I've heard that's awesome.
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, it's amazing.
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: I've been to Edmonton. I've been to Alberta.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: I've performed in Edmonton a few times. And I've hunted
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: in Alberta. Where? Well, my friends John and Jen Rivett,
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 2: they have a guide. I mean, they guide people up
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 2: in northern Alberta. It's all like, you know, black bear hunting.
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 2: So it's like.
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of great hunting. I don't hunt myself,
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 1: but there's a ton of great hunting, a lot of
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 1: hunters in Alberta.
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Well, there's talk about Alberta separating.
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 1: That won't happen.
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: What was that about?
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 1: It won't happen. Some people are frustrated, but they, you know,
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 1: there's some legitimate frustrations. But at the end of the day,
• 2:14:48
  Speaker 1: Canada's going to be united. And Albertans, I'm born and
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: raised Alberta, and Albertans are seriously patriotic Canadians.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: Very patriotic.
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're great people, hardworking.
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: Some of the nicest people you ever met across.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 1: They are great people.
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 2: Hardy.
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: They are a hardy people.
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 2: It's cold up there. They know how to survive. Exactly.
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: You got to be tough to survive the cold in Canada.
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 1: Carve a country like we have out of that cold
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 1: weather on that big open land. But people just keep
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 1: on going. And Alberta's got a real kind of rugged individualism.
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 1: And people love their agriculture. There's great ranches in Alberta,
• 2:15:26
  Speaker 1: beautiful grasslands. in Saskatchewan.
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: Doesn't Brock Lesnar have a place up there?
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: I think Brock Lesnar bought land in Alberta. Really? I
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: think he owns a ranch up there.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: Actually, I had heard that from somebody.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 1: I've never seen him.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 2: He fell in love with it. Well, he's a big
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 2: hunter as well. Right. He fell in love with it
• 2:15:43
  Speaker 2: up there. Cause it's just, it's so magnificent. It's so gorgeous.
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 1: It's a great country.
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 2: And the woods are so dense and beautiful and you
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 2: got wolves and bears and moose and everything up there.
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: It's amazing country.
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 1: The Canadian Rockies are spectacular as well as they're, you know,
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 1: a worldwide attraction. You know, you go to Lake Louise,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 1: it looks like a tropical lake because it's all this
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 1: runoff from the mountain melt. And you'd think you were
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 1: in the tropics because it's this, this turquoise green. That's
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 1: where I grew up. I love, I love Calgary. I
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: love Southern Alberta. That's really my home. And so you
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: got to come to the Stampede. Greatest outdoor show on earth.
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: A lot of Texans go up for the Stampede because
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: it's a rodeo. It's a huge rodeo.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah. People don't think cowboy Canada. They don't think of that,
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 2: but yeah.
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 1: Calgary, they've got some serious cowboys there.
• 2:16:29
  Speaker 2: No, they really do. Yeah. Look, I love Canada. I just.
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 1: If you did your comedy show in Calgary, you'd get
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 1: a massive turnout.
• 2:16:37
  Speaker 2: It would be great.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 1: Think it over.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 2: Well, I was supposed to be up there before COVID.
• 2:16:41
  Speaker 2: I was supposed to do a show up there for
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 2: 420 for April 20th. I was going to do it
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 2: in Vancouver.
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 1: That's another great city.
• 2:16:48
  Speaker 2: Every year I would do these 420 shows, like these,
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 2: you know, 420 is the marijuana number. And Canada, now
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: you guys have legal marijuana too.
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 1: I've been legal for 10 years.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 2: Which they should have in America. It's so ridiculous. They
• 2:17:02
  Speaker 2: just recently decided to make it schedule three.
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 1: Is it state by state?
• 2:17:07
  Speaker 2: Yes. It's legal in a lot of states, but it's
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 2: still not legal federally. It's goofy. If alcohol is legal,
• 2:17:13
  Speaker 2: marijuana is far safer. It should be legal. It's ridiculous.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: It's also a personal freedom thing. Leave people alone. It's
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: like no one's robbing banks, smoking weed, fucking killing neighbors.
• 2:17:24
  Speaker 2: It's crazy.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: That's a personal choice.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: It's not heroin. It's not opiates. It's not like. maybe
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: you shouldn't do it if you have mental health problems, right?
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: But there's a lot of people that just like take
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 2: a pot gummy and go to bed and it makes
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 2: them sleep better. Like leave them alone. Like leave people alone.
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: Let people have a glass of whiskey. Let people have
• 2:17:43
  Speaker 2: a glass of wine with dinner. Leave them alone. Like
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: stop coming up with laws where you can impose your
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: values and your morals and your judgments on other people.
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 2: Let them have– make their own personal– look, if you
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: want to eat a fucking cheeseburger, eat a cheeseburger. If
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 2: you want to go and have five Big Macs, you
• 2:18:02
  Speaker 2: should be able to. I don't think you should do it.
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 2: But I don't think there should be a law stopping you.
• 2:18:06
  Speaker 2: And I think that should apply to a lot of
• 2:18:09
  Speaker 2: things in life and we'd be a lot better off.
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 1: Well, the bottom line is if you cannot trust a
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: man to govern himself, how can you trust him to
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 1: govern for others? Like if you think that human nature
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 1: is so flawed that people cannot make decisions for themselves,
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 1: then how could you possibly trust human nature to make
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: decisions for other people to impose decisions on their lives?
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 1: And who watches The Watchman? We're constantly told we need
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: to be kind of guided by these people from ivory towers.
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 1: But who are these angels anyway? They're just human beings
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 1: like everyone else. So when you give them more power
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 1: and more, you give them the power to impose their
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 1: will on people, then that ultimately gets abused. Yes. So even,
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 1: you're right, even when somebody is doing something that I
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 1: don't agree with, and I would think it would be
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 1: better for all of us if they didn't do it.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 1: The mal that is done by giving me the power
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 1: to impose my decision-making on them is worse than the
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 1: benefit of trying to direct them towards a better decision.
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 2: Well said.
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 1: That's my philosophy.
• 2:19:07
  Speaker 2: That's why I like you.
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 1: Well, that's where I come from.
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 2: You make a lot of sense.
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 1: It's pretty simple. I think all the best things in
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 1: life are simple. We overcomplicate things. Government is way too complicated.
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 1: I think we need to get back to the simplicity.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 1: The greatest speech in the English language was Abraham Lincoln's
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 1: Gettysburg Address, 271 words. Einstein compressed mass and energy into
• 2:19:34
  Speaker 1: a five-character equation. Bruce Lee was an advocate of simplicity.
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 1: Simplicity is a virtue, and I think we have to
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 1: get back to simplicity, especially in government. Simpler, clearer, easier
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 1: to manage. That's kind of the philosophical take I pursue.
• 2:19:54
  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that. I think that philosophy and that
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 2: perspective from a leader is what we need in this world.
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 1: Well, I think leaders have to have humility because the
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 1: problem is that if you are an egomaniac and you're
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 1: in power anywhere in the world, then you're going to
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 1: want to just continually impose new rules and laws to
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 1: make yourself bigger. Whereas if you believe in freedom, then
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 1: you have to be able to say to yourself, I
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 1: don't know better for this other person. He knows better
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: what's for him. And, you know, it's, it's hard, but
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 1: politicians have to think that they have to trust the people,
• 2:20:32
  Speaker 1: but you know, nobody wants to have, he left people
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 1: alone on their gravestone. They want to think, oh, he
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 1: built this. He, he imposed that he made this grand, uh,
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 1: initiative that he imposed on the people in order to
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 1: have a legacy. My legacy is just to let other
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 1: people build their legacies in their own lives.
• 2:20:49
  Speaker 2: I think the idea of forging a legacy based on
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: controlling people and imposing your will is ludicrous.
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But the problem is history is littered with people
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 2:20:59
  Speaker 2: Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan. There's so many people that
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 2: imposed their will and left a legacy. But is that good?
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 1: I don't think it is.
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: And it's also they're dead. They are, exactly. It doesn't matter.
• 2:21:12
  Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Nobody walked by one of those magnificent
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 1: tombs in– in Petra and said, boy, I'd really like
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 1: to be inside there.
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 2: Exactly. What is happening while you're alive is what's really
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: significant and the most impactful thing. Do well. Do good
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 2: for the people. And I think your message resonates with me.
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 2: And if I was a Canadian, I would vote for
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 2: you 100%.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for that. Well, it's a privilege
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 1: to do this work, and I consider it very humbling,
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm very proud to be Canadian. and to take
• 2:21:45
  Speaker 1: the message of Canada here to our American friends.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad you're here doing that. And I think
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: this is going to have a big impact. I really
• 2:21:53
  Speaker 2: hope it moves the needle up in Canada.
• 2:21:56
  Speaker 1: Absolutely. And down here, we got to get these tariffs gone.
• 2:21:59
  Speaker 1: Get the tariffs gone.
• 2:22:00
  Speaker 2: Well, let's work it out.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 1: Right on.
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 2: Work it out. And if you win, I'm coming up there,
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: I promise.
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 1: Well, we're going to try to get you up there earlier.
• 2:22:06
  Speaker 1: I'm going to keep working on you.
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 1: And you look at that maple leaf on your new
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 1: kettlebell every day. Eventually, we're going to We're going to
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 1: work subliminally into your subconscious and get you up.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 2: Well, look, like I said, you don't have to sell
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 2: me on Canada.
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 1: I love Canada.
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 2: And I love that gift. So thank you so much.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 2: I really appreciate it.
• 2:22:21
  Speaker 1: Thank you very much.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you for being here. Thank you. It was awesome.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 3: Bye, everybody.