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A Fortnight In Paris: Barb's Travel Reflections and Advice · "What's Next? Conversations with Boomers"

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  SPEAKER_01: You are listening to What's Next?
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  SPEAKER_01: Conversations with Boomers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Barb Damaray, your host.
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  SPEAKER_01: So today we've got another special episode.
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  SPEAKER_01: This one's a little bit different.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to be talking about my recent trip to Europe with my daughter.
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  SPEAKER_01: And my daughter is a millennial, I'm a baby boomer, how we make it work, because we have done it multiple times.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I have a wonderful time on each trip.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_01: So my producer and editor, Aiden Glassy, is going to be interviewing me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Aiden is not a millennial.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: He's actually a Gen Z or Gen Z, depending what country you're from.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we're just going to have fun and have a conversation, and he's going to ask me some questions about traveling with my daughter Claire.
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  SPEAKER_00: So Aiden, welcome.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: Glad to be here.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just so excited that you were happy to do this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Oh, of course.
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  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So fire away.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, okay, well, why don't we start with just tell me about the trip?
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  SPEAKER_00: Where'd you go?
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  SPEAKER_00: How long were you gone for?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, give us give us all the details.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this trip, I think, is our sixth or seventh trip that we've done almost consecutively.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't go anywhere during COVID, of course.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then there was one year I took a trip with somebody else.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so this time we started out in Paris.
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  SPEAKER_01: We were there for four days, four nights.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I've been to Paris many times.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is Claire's and my fourth trip to Paris.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this was really special because we saw Celine Dion in Paris.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, with 40,000 other people.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was surreal.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was absolutely surreal.
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  SPEAKER_01: We didn't plan this.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't even know she was going to be there.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd heard that she was going to be there while we were there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So what Claire said is, you know what, Mom, if we don't get tickets, if we don't go and see her, we're going to really regret it because we were there.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, You're right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So of course they were all sold out with Ticketmasters.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I went on to StubHub and paid a few extra dollars.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Just a few, I'm sure.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Ticket prices are notoriously affordable and cheap, especially last minute, right?
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, we got them.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_01: And so the the big thing was, you know, will they work?
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_01: And and well, I went through the turnstile and they scanned my QR code.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then, okay, I hope Claire gets through and went, oh phew, oh phew, because we made it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and she was absolutely magnificent.
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  SPEAKER_01: Her voice is come back to what it was before, and she sang all her well-known songs, and it was phenomenal.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was surreal.
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  SPEAKER_01: It really was.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, it was a magnificent set, and uh it was it was really fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that was probably the highlight of Paris.
• 2:56
  SPEAKER_01: We also had a picnic in the park right behind the Eiffel Tower, which we have done before.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: And there was a little bit of live music, and so we really did it up and brought champagne, which we did the last time we did this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean you have to, right?
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: And well, we called an Uber.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: We did a lot of Ubering this trip.
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  SPEAKER_01: We called an Uber, and I said, you know, take us as close as you can to the Eiffel Tower.
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  SPEAKER_01: And basically took us to, oh gosh, steps away.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the Eiffel Tower, I mean, I've seen it so many times, but it really is I I don't know what the word it's magnificent, especially when it it lights up at night, which is really cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you been to Paris?
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  SPEAKER_00: I have, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: Long time ago.
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  SPEAKER_00: I spent about a month there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Um in high school, yeah.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_00: I did a an exchange program through my high school that let me get my 11th grade French credit in the summer.
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  SPEAKER_00: We did a a trip over there for a month, and it was I mean, one of the best experiences of my youth for sure.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was a fantastic time.
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  SPEAKER_00: We did just about everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: We stayed at the University of Paris, right there, just in the dorms, and then wandered the city.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we had classes, but it was mostly just exploring the city and checking everything out.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Maybe uh seulement un petit peu uh very rusty.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: I can speak it, but my vocabulary, sorry, is very tiny.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I have the sentence structure, I just don't I can't say anything.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, if you want to learn, I mean I take French lessons.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if I've told you that before.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I have been for a long time, but and I'm not fluent at all, but I am able to make myself understood when I'm there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I digress.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: So where did you go after that?
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  SPEAKER_01: So after Paris, we flew to Lisbon, which we we had never been in Portugal before.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that was really fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Have you been to Portugal?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, I have not.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, Portugal is known for its hills.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: And when I say hills, I don't mean little slopes.
• 5:00
  SPEAKER_01: So the hills are like up, down, up, up, up, up, up, up, down, like unbelievable.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the first night we were there, Claire, she books ahead for restaurants.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: She's very big on, you know, that we experience the food and all these different places that we go to.
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  SPEAKER_01: So she said the restaurant, I think she said it's a 14-minute walk or something from the hotel.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: So I said, that's fine.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: Little did I know that we were going to be going on a hike to get there.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: It was in Vancouver, we have this hike, this steep trail called the Gross Grind, the Gross meeting, like Gross Mountain.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: And I felt like I was doing the gross grind to get there.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: It was, you know, I was going up, up, up a hill, then there was a landing, then I was two flights this year, up, up, up, then, and then up, up, up, up.
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  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, I felt, okay, I I can do this.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I haven't collapsed.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: But this isn't fun.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: So um oh man.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: See, but it's perfect though, because you work up an appetite on the way there, and then you work off the calories on the way home.
• 6:05
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we but we didn't, because of course, when we finished dinner, it was pitch dark, and it said, Claire, we're gonna Uber home.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not walking down all those steps in the dark.
• 6:13
  SPEAKER_01: I I I just I just don't want it.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, we we did lots of fun things in Portugal, and then we went to Lagos, which is in the Algarve district, beautiful, right on the water.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we were on the beach, we did a sunset boat tour, uh, which was fabulous.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: And then we did just a little motorboat tour, just Claire and I, and the driver of the boat, through these, all these huge, incredible rock formations.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: So we were going through sort of like caves and tunnels, and that was really fun.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: So we were gone 13 days altogether, and our trips mostly have been just two weeks, because you know, Claire's taking time off work to do this.
• 6:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, just two weeks, like that's a pretty that's a pretty excellent vacation.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was, it was.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Claire has said this is the best one yet.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: This was the best one yet.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think that you know, going to Celindion was pretty special, and she got the t-shirt and she felt that this is she said, I think this is gonna be a collector's item at some point, which it may be.
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  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 7:17
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's fantastic.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: The first question that jumps to my mind, and this when you told me about this forever ago, this is something that I had in the back of my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's gonna sound like a silly question, but why travel?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I mean, travel is amazing, it's one of the best things that anybody can do, I think.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: But as a means of bonding between the two of you, there are I mean, travel is expensive.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like there's a lot of ways that you couldn't.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_01: You're right about that, Aid.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's a lot of ways that you guys could get together that would be cheaper and less time intensive.
• 7:53
  SPEAKER_00: But what is it about travel specifically that made you guys go, nope, regardless of the cost, this is worth it.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_00: This is something that we need to do.
• 8:01
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's an excellent question.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, Claire and I are very close, and we always, always have been.
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  SPEAKER_01: Always we're almost best friends.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we talk every day.
• 8:11
  SPEAKER_01: She doesn't even live here, she lives in Toronto, but moving back here, as I mentioned to you earlier.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we have well bonded right way before we decided to travel.
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  SPEAKER_01: So my husband and I used to do a lot of travel, and then when he died in 2017, we started talking about, well, why don't we travel together?
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: And immediately we both said, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we did our first trip in.
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  SPEAKER_01: I always wanted to go to Santorini in Greece.
• 8:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why.
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  SPEAKER_01: I just was inspired by the pictures that I used to see, and she loved the idea.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: That was our first trip.
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  SPEAKER_01: We met at the airport in Athens, and then yeah, we that was that was amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was so much fun.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: So why travel?
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: The decision to travel wasn't this is an opportunity for us to bond because we are very bonded.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Some people might say, you know, even too much.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_01: We are incredibly close.
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  SPEAKER_01: And we just didn't even have any doubts that we would do it well together, and we do.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because I mean, speaking for myself and probably a lot of other people, I love my mom to bits.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_00: She's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think if we were to spend two weeks, and we did, and we have actually done this, but if we were to spend two weeks together in the same room sharing all of our space and time, we would have a lot of fun.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: We would also drive each other up the wall for then.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_00: Like we would be by the end of that two weeks, we would be done for a while.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's amazing that you guys do bicker at all on these trips, or have you, or is it always just a fantastic time?
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: We don't.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: We're our own people for sure.
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we've got our own unique strengths and weaknesses, etc.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: But we are both pretty easygoing.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_01: We're both pretty good communicators, we're both pretty flexible, considerate of each other.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Claire's pretty lucky.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm basically going, she does all the planning.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: That makes it easier for you for sure.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, we decide we're gonna go to place X.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_01: And before I can even, you know, hang up the phone basically.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: We don't hang up the phone anymore, but you know what I mean.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: She's sending me links and and she's immediately researching places to stay.
• 10:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so then we have a little Zoom meeting, and she said, I've you know, I've looked at all these places.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: What do you think?
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then together we decide that this is where we're gonna stay.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, as I say, she makes all these restaurant reservations, and I just go, sure, sure.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: As long as I've got my visa with me, we're good.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: And in general, we get along super well, you know, anyway.
• 10:57
  SPEAKER_01: But I would not be doing these trips if it weren't for her.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: I wouldn't be doing this.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have no desire to travel alone.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's a win-win for both of us.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: And by now, we know we have a very similar rhythm around travel, which we both appreciate and which a lot of people would hate.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: We don't get up and get going in the morning at all.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: We get up when we feel like getting up.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we drink our coffee slowly, and in this trip, we've stayed in three different hotels, and they all included buffet breakfasts.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_01: And so, you know, we just go down and leisurely enjoy our breakfast, and then we do whatever we're gonna do, and then we come back, and I have a little siesta, which she's just fine with.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_01: And she was working, she works in film, and she's a film producer, and she was working on a script, and so she was good with that.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then we do whatever we decided to do in the evening.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, and when I say she plans everything, I mean honestly, she's she sends me a dock.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_01: From this time to this time, we're doing this, and this time that we're taking this train, and this time.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, who am I to argue with that?
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sounds good.
• 12:03
  SPEAKER_00: But there's room in that for resting, right?
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like it's 8 a.m.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: we're here, 9 a.m.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: we're here, 10 a.m.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: we're here.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's there's room for actually relaxing on the trip, right?
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: What you first described, we're not that kind of traveler at all.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_01: Where my husband really was more, you know, we're gonna go here and then we're gonna go there.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_01: He was the one that did all the planning, and I think that, you know, he really preferred it that way.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: So, no, we absolutely don't.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: We make room, and this is something we both agree to is that we're gonna make room for spontaneous decisions.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, sometimes we'll go, hey, why don't we do that?
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's do that.
• 12:41
  SPEAKER_01: So there were a few things that we did on this trip.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: We did a tuk-tuck.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_01: Do you know what a tuk-tuck is?
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the little So we did a tuk-tuk tour of Lisbon, and so that was just a spontaneous thing.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: I just said, hey, they've got city tours with on a tuk-tuck.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't we do that?
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's do that.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's how we go.
• 12:59
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's how listen, I have all the respect in the world for people who decide they're gonna go somewhere and plan out every minute of every day and make everything happen and get up early and see everything and do everything.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: For me, and it sounds like for you guys, the point of a vacation is to relax.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_00: And you can't if every minute of every day you're going somewhere doing something like you need time to just sit and enjoy the place that you're in and do stuff like that.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: That's just hey, this seems fun.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Let's go try it.
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: To me, that is the optimal way to experience any place.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's how we do it.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: I think we do a lot of sitting and and sort of digesting the moment and just you know, why don't let's go and have uh April Spritz.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_01: Let's sit there and you know, talk and people watch, and yeah, we do a lot of that.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: So our idea of travel is very much the same.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: And we might do a tour, but it'll be the only one for the day.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna do another one and then another one, another one.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: And because we've been so many times, we've seen sort of the main attractions, so we do try and do different things.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, you know what?
• 14:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was in Paris, and one restaurant we were in, or we went for coffee or whatever, and the server said in English, enjoy your moment.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that nice?
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: Not enjoy your day, enjoy your enjoy your moment.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_01: And that, you know, it really stuck with us.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so we said it a lot to each other.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's really nice.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: And how French.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: How French, exactly.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, how French.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: The French do know how to enjoy their moment.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they never rush with dinner, they never rush with their wine or their coffee or whatever.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: They truly do enjoy their moment.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, when you make a hotel reservation, they never say you've got two and a half hours or whatever.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: You can be there all night and you don't get your bill until you ask for it.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's very different.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: So back to your question, why travel?
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was just something we both wanted to do.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, after my husband died, I wanted to keep traveling.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_01: And so we discovered very quickly that it works really well between us.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's fantastic.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I know you said the point of it wasn't for you guys to grow closer or bond because you've already done that.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: But do you find that you have through this?
• 15:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, has it been a joining thing for you?
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because there's an interesting statistic.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: For the average person, by the time you turn 18, you have spent about 90% of the time with your parents that you ever will for the rest of your life.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I think it's fantastic that you guys are spending so much time together in adulthood and that you're still so close.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_00: But do you find that this has been something that's kind of brought you closer even than you already were?
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good question, Aiden.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we we do have this very tight bond, as I say already.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: We love, you know, reliving some of our experiences.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: So we we have that common experience and many of them.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, remember the time.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: Remember when we went to such and such, and but I can't see that it's strengthened, it's it's confirmed, I would say.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's confirmed the bond that we have with each other and you know, cemented it even more, I would say.
• 16:16
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, we've already planned the next trip.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, really?
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Where's the destination?
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: London.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we've been there before, but both of us really love theater, live theater, which is you know, London, like New York, it's the best of the best, and we're not going to New York, forget it.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I said, I'd love to go to London next year.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_01: I I really miss theater.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: And Claire said, Yeah, let's go to London.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's how we roll.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's fantastic.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: Now that you guys have done this so many times, do you have any tips for what makes it go so smoothly, aside from just the two of you being so close?
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like you you said you have a system with each other that you've kind of worked out.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_00: Can you go through how you worked that out and how to for someone like me who might have a much higher chance of my mom and I driving each other crazy on a trip like this?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: Do you have any tips for how to keep things civil and smooth?
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think it's just basic human consideration and sort of the same things that make any relationship work.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's a give and take a lot.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, there's things that Claire wants to do and she really wants to do, and I may be neutral around them, but I'm conscious of the fact this is also her trip.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: And she does the same with me.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_01: So it's being sensitive to each other's needs and truly knowing full well that this is each other's trip.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just yours, it's not just theirs.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's each other's.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: And you're doing this together.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: So, how does a good relationship work?
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's give and take all the time and being considerate of each other and being thoughtful of each other.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: And if there is something that's bothering you, speak up and express your needs.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like I did not sleep well at all the whole trip, and I knew that I needed to lie down and rest and sleep if I could.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_01: And Claire was completely understanding of that.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, I mean, as she said it were well, it worked for her because she had some work to do.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_01: So that sort of thing.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: If you know, I can't go any further, or I've seen enough for today, make sure that you're not walking around feeling really angry but not expressing it.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: So those things are important.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: And we don't have many times where we're in opposition with each other.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Basic human consideration of each other, as we would in any relationship that works well.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Just be mindful of the other person's needs, express your own, be thoughtful and considerate of each other, know about compromise.
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna compromise a lot.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: You know, sometimes we do things that I, as I say, I may not have chosen to do on my own, but as I said, this is also Claire's trip.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just mine.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_01: And the same with her.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, and well, one thing about Claire and I is honestly, we laugh a lot together.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_01: And if something happens that sort of that didn't work out, we just make a joke of it.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: We went one place to get something to eat, and I wanted a decaf coffee, and this place, it was like a kiosk.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: They did not serve decaf coffee.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_01: So I went to another place, and it was a f really fancy coffee place, and I got a decaf coffee, and it was an incredible presentation just for a takeout coffee.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I couldn't go into this other little restaurant place with my decaf coffee from the other place.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_01: So we had to find somewhere else to go.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: We went outside, there was no seating, there was no nothing.
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm walking along with this coffee, and we find ourselves in this like dive of a sort of a corner where we could sort of and half my coffee spilled.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_01: By this time it's freezing cold, and Lord knows what I paid for it because it was it was special.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, it's stuff like that.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: We just you just gotta laugh, you know.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: This is a bit of a a screw up.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, and we always say, okay, if nothing else, this is gonna make a story.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: This is a story.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 20:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's it's all fun.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's either fun now or it's fun later to think about.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, exactly.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, last year we were in an Airbnb, at which we have stayed in many, many, many times.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_01: And this last experience, we decided that's it, no more Airbnb.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, of course, we always asked for separate beds or separate bedrooms if possible.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: So this Airbnb, they did say that it was two bedrooms.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_01: So the second bedroom where I was going to sleep was upstairs.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: And in France, all the staircases are winding, like they're like corkscrews.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, we walk up this staircase, and what we found was an attic.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: The ceiling was, you'd have to be a baby.
• 21:05
  SPEAKER_01: I would have had, and I'm pretty short, but I would have had to go on my hands and knees.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: We I mean, we just couldn't believe it.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I just said, Claire, I am not sleeping here.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_01: If I have to get up in the night, which is very likely, Lord, I'm gonna bump my head, I'm gonna blah, blah, blah.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_01: So she said, Well, I'm not sleeping here either.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_01: So she ended up taking the mattress and hauling it downstairs, down this winding staircase and sleeping there.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: And and there was just a bunch of other things that were, well, you know, that has become a story.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, at the time it wasn't funny, but we just thought, you know, okay, this is it, that no more Airbnb.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_01: So that when we got to the hotel in Paris this time, we said, We are done with Airbnb.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: This is just so nice to be in a hotel.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: It was a beautiful little boutique hotel.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_01: And the guy at the hotel he said, Okay.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: I've got a better story.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I went to my Airbnb and it didn't even exist.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't even there.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: And he wasn't even surprised at my story.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, point being that there's screw-ups, there's, you know, we've made train situations that didn't work out well.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: And they just be, you know, we've got a very similar sense of humor.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: So we can laugh hysterically over things eventually.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_01: You just have to lighten up, really.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, honestly.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_01: This isn't the end of the world.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's it's not that serious.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's where I personally butt heads with the super regimented travel people.
• 22:43
  SPEAKER_00: Is it's not that serious.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: You're there to have to do it.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't have to be, I don't know, if you if you miss out on one thing, it's not the end of the world, or if something goes wrong, why add all that stress to your journey?
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like just go have fun.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Enjoy your moment.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's basically our philosophy around this.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: We're doing this to have fun.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_01: And if it's not fun, then yeah, and we sort of have a lot of in-jokes between each other, and we do have a lot of fun, honestly.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_01: By now, we've just got so many memorable experiences in our in our memory bank.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I would imagine.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: So speaking of that, you said this was your sixth or seventh?
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: I should have confirmed this.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's at least our sixth.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: So for fun, and because I'm sure people are wondering, listening to this, can you list all of the places that you guys have been and then rank them from most to least enjoyable?
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: The first place we went to was Greece, and we went to Athens and Santorini.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: The second trip was Spain.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: We went to Madrid, Barcelona, Malaca, and San Sebastian.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: That was just another, you know, five-star experience.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_01: The next trip was France, and that was Claire's first time to see Paris, which is really fun for me to see it through her eyes.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_01: And we went to Paris and then we went to the south of France and went to Nice.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: We went to Cannes.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: We had a couple of other day trips.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: And again, that was absolutely spectacular.
• 24:22
  SPEAKER_01: The south of France is breathtaking.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_00: Jaw dropping.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_01: Jaw dropping, yeah.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_01: And then the next year we went to France again.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Claire's decided, okay, we need to start all our trips in Paris.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I just said, okay.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: And we make each one different because you know, Paris is, as you know, it's a huge city.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: So many things to do.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, you can concentrate on the architecture, the museums, the structures, the taking a trip along the Seine.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we did Paris again and lots of really fun experiences.
• 25:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then we went to a place called Cassis, which is a sort of an oceanside, smaller town.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: One thing that we really like to do, because Paris is big and it can be overwhelming, is to balance it with going to somewhere much smaller.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then the next trip that was last year, started at Paris again, and we went to a city called Annecy, which is absolutely beautiful, another small, small place in France.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: That was lovely.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Did we go somewhere else besides Anne Sie?
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think so.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then this year.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_01: So this year was Paris, Lisbon, Lagos.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: I might be forgetting some places.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_01: That's we don't try and like another thing neither of us want to be doing is living out of a suitcase every single day, like packing up every day and going somewhere different, going somewhere different, going somewhere different.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's nice to stay put somewhere for a little bit.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I honestly cannot say, Aiden, where of the best place.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Every trip has had its peak moments, has had its peak experiences for different reasons.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe the most memorable is Santorini because that was our first trip together and it was jaw-dropping.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_01: The views are, you know, you you see them online and you know see pictures of the the white with the blue roofs.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's even more beautiful than, you know, you're right on the the Mediterranean, and it's just, and we just again, Claire made all these reservations, all these restaurants.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: And we would sit down and just another jaw-dropping view.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: It got to be a joke after a while.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: And at one point we sat down and Claire looked around, and this is I'm gonna swear, and she said, another shit view.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: So I know then we're both laughing our heads off because you know, it's just uh jaw-dropping and unbelievable.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my, I have an idea.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: And you should tell me if you think this is funny.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: I think every time you go to these beautiful cities like Paris, Century, anywhere ever, I think you guys should try to find the worst view in the best cities.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think that would be really funny, wouldn't it?
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the worst view.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we've had views, you know, stayed in places in Paris where you're basically looking into an alley or looking into somebody else's window, which which is not the best.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: But that's a good idea.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: This is the best view.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: This is the worst view.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: I think that would make a really fun scrapbook, wouldn't it?
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: Just all the all the worst views in all the best cities.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, another really funny experience we had was we went on a boat tour on the Seine and it was a dinner tour.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_01: So it was at night, because I've been on two or three times.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: The daytime, where they, you know, basically show you what you're passing by.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_01: So this one was like white tablecloth, dinner, live band, beautiful meal.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_01: And you get closer and closer to the Eiffel Tower, which at night, as I say, it's all lit up, as you know.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: And so the everybody goes upstairs.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: And, you know, Paris is a very romantic city.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: We knew we were surrounded by couples, you know, they're having the romantic time together.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: And there's Claire and I.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: And I don't know how many glasses of wine we had, but she decided to propose to me.
• 28:29
  SPEAKER_01: She got down on her knee.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: And we were there were these Irish women around us, and they were all traveling together.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: And they just thought this was hilarious.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: And they were FaceTiming with their mom.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: We were there in Paris and they were FaceTiming with their mom in Ireland.
• 28:47
  SPEAKER_01: And oh God, I oh, I don't know.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: So we do stuff like that.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's hysterical.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna propose money.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: And you know, she said yes.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean, we've had just many really hilarious moments.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: And as I say, because we laugh at the same stuff, you know, and sometimes we mimic people afterwards.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_01: How so?
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_01: If you come across some, I don't know, some weirdo person that asked a funny question or whatever.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_01: We never do it in front of them, of course.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_00: No, of course not.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I I yeah.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, another really funny thing that we we'll never forget is I think it was the first time that we went to Paris, maybe been the second, doesn't matter.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_01: And Claire knows some French for sure.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: She doesn't know as much as I do, but she does okay.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: So we were we got our food and she wanted to ask for some butter, which they don't they don't automatically put it on the table.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_01: So she didn't know how to say, can you bring me some butter?
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: She just said, excuse me, can I get some burr?
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I just howled because it just this is the way she said burr, and you know, just kind of injected it in the into the whole request.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: Can I just get some burr?
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_01: So then again, that became an in-joke.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: And and the next place we went to where she said, we're just missing one thing.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know we're there's no burr.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: We need some burr.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, missing the burr.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Can't believe they forgot the burr.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_01: Can't believe can't believe it.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: They forgot the burr.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_01: So this is this is how our trip's going all the time.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds hysterical.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm really glad that you guys do that.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: It sounds like a fantastic tradition that I hope you guys keep up for as long as you can, because it's yeah, it's well, you know what?
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: It is special, and we have fans.
• 30:52
  unknown: What do you mean?
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, Claire's, well, we both post a lot on the trip, but her posts are way better than mine.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_01: She's just she, you know, she's got an eye that's beyond what I have.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I've got a lot of people following me, but she's got tons.
• 31:07
  SPEAKER_01: And somebody the other day said, okay, this is not only your tradition, this is our tradition.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_01: Our being being the the followers.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_01: And the people will tell me, can't wait to see, you know, follow yours and Claire's trip.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_01: And and I feel like I'm on the trip with you.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah.
• 31:26
  SPEAKER_01: So somebody I I can't remember, it doesn't matter who it is, but some follower of Claire's said regarding me, protect her.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: And she she sort of likes to highlight me, and lots of times it's to make fun of me, and which is completely fine with me.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: All in good fun, right?
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's so much fun.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:55
  SPEAKER_01: We feel very, very blessed.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: We do not take this for granted that we can do this and and have so much fun doing it, and with virtually no friction between us.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's rare.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_00: That is that is very rare.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's that's another tip, honestly, in is be able to laugh at stuff.
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, as you said, don't take everything so seriously.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know, lighten up.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: Be able to laugh at it.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_01: And I think Claire and I are pretty good at that, just laughing at whatever.
• 32:27
  SPEAKER_00: It seems like it for sure.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, absolutely agreed.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_00: That is such an important facet of any vacation, I think, is just to have fun.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: Because what what's the point otherwise?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know?
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: Why are you there if not to laugh and hang out and enjoy a cool experience?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Why why bog it down by getting bothered by everything?
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well that's what we think.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're nearing the end here.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_00: But is there any travel advice, any destination advice that you would give to people who are looking to do a kind of trip like this, either with their children or with their parents or with a significant other or whatever?
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, make sure that you know, when you're planning the trip, that it's something that you both want to do.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, don't be a yes person and agree to things that you do really know that you're not going to enjoy.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_01: And just as I was we were just saying, you got to lighten up.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Be flexible, be accommodating, but not overly accommodating, because you both have to accommodate each other and um be considerate of each other's needs, just as I was saying in the beginning.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: And there's people where I'd say, you know, I love that person, but there's no way I could ever travel with them.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: And we all know people like that, right?
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: 100%.
• 33:45
  SPEAKER_00: But and some people are the opposite, where it doesn't matter where you go, you're gonna have fun with them.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think those are the people that you really want to do something like this with.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, certainly, I mean, uh, you know, I've known Claire for 39 years, so I know her well, but people people that you think you know, but you really get to know them when you travel together because you're together 24-7.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: And so be prepared.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, lots of times friendships, relationships break up after travel because you know, we all have our own habits and rituals and hang ups and all that stuff.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes you you learn that about people that you didn't know before.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, 100%.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's the same as it's like living together for however long you're on the trip, right?
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_00: It turns out living with someone for two weeks is a pretty good way to find out if you're really compatible.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because you're constantly making decisions together, you're waking up together, you're going to bed together, you're sharing a story.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh certainly a good way to.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, Aiden, thank you for doing this.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: This has been really fun, and I appreciate you being willing to do it.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it a lot.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: So for the listeners, Aiden Glassy, who we are talking to, is my producer and editor.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: If you ever thought about doing a podcast, think about hiring Aiden.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: Aidan, how can people reach you?
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so as Barb said, I'm a freelance podcast editor and producer.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_00: So if you have a podcast and you'd need a little bit of help kind of taking it to the next level, or if you're thinking about starting one, I would love to be a part of that.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_00: I would love to help you out.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: The best way to reach me is through my email, which is aidenglassy at hotmail.com.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's a i-d-a-n g-l-a-s-s-e-y at hotmail.com.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_00: And before you say anything, yes, I still have a hotmail account.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_00: I made it 15 years ago and I'm hanging on to it like a vintage car.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like it's I I'm proud of it at this point.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm never changing it.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's always going to be at Hotmail.
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm also a uh voiceover artist.
• 35:50
  SPEAKER_00: I do voiceover as well.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: So if you have a project that you could use a bit of voiceover for and you like what you've heard of my voice so far, I would love to be a part of that as well.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: And you can also reach out through my email and I would love to work with you.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: And yeah, thank you for letting me be on, Barb.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's been great.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: This has been so much fun.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and thank you for all that you do to make this podcast happen.
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_01: Of course.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Truly.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: I'm more than happy to do it.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: You're fantastic.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I I wouldn't be doing this if you weren't as amazing as you are.
• 36:20
  SPEAKER_00: So uh we the fact that we get along so well is a big part of what got me in with you in the first place, and I'm thrilled to be here.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you very much.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, likewise.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, enjoy the rest of your day, and many thanks to you again.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much, Barb.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: You too.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: Have a good one.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: See ya.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: See you around.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_00: This episode was written and recorded by Barb Demaray, edited and produced by Aidan Glassy.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: As always, special thanks to our guests for making it possible.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: If you enjoyed and you'd like to hear more, follow us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts.
• 36:56
  SPEAKER_00: You can also follow the show on YouTube at what's next.convos with boomers.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for listening.