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#245 - Does God Give Israel the Land? The Biblical Debate with Huckabee & Tucker Carlson · Brandon Fogal Evolution

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  Does Israel have a right to the land of Israel or not? That is the question.
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  Mike Huckabee and Tucker Carlson got deeply entrenched in this whole debate.
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  Tucker Carlson wanted to discuss this with Mike Huckabee, and he actually went
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  over to Israel to discuss this with our ambassador over there.
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  And it got very heated at times. And I just want to remove all the bull because
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  a lot of people, when we get into this, it gets very just nuanced, very just in the weeds.
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  And I wanted to kind of just take maybe a little bird's eye view, step back a little bit.
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  Does Israel have a right to that
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  land or not? And do other nations have a specific right to their own land?
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  And where the hinge is, is specifically, is it a biblical right?
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  We're going to take a look at a couple of different clips.
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  And this is when Tucker brings back, he pushes back on Mike Huckabee.
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  Well, does Ireland have a right to their land? Does England have a right to their land?
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  And he starts throwing these examples and let's see what Mike Huckabee says.
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  Do they have a moral right to that as their homeland?
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  And I think they would probably say, yes we do because we have ancient history to it.
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  What do you think? I've never thought about whether Now that I'm raising the
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  question and you've spent a lot of time thinking about the right of the Jewish
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  people to their homeland, Do the Irish have the same right to a homeland?
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  As long as they can defend it.
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  And as long as they, you know. As long as they can defend it.
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  But Tucker, here's the point. Wait a second. Wait a second.
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  Wait, hold on, hold on, hold on. Now you just flipped category.
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  You're the minister here.
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  Yeah, and I'm telling you. As long as they can defend it. And if they can't
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  defend it, they lose the right.
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  You're not allowing me to tell you that I think that what is very,
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  very special here is that there is a biblical as well as an ethnic.
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  And a historical. So you can take any one, but if you add them all together,
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  biblical, historical, and ethnic, you have a very strong case that the Jewish
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  people are living in a land that is indigenous to them, that has been their
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  historic homeland for 3,800 years.
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  You can repeat it as obviously he's a politician.
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  So Mike Huckabee is saying the things. And when I really stepped back and thought
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  about this, what Mike Huckabee is saying, because he brings up,
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  does Israel have a right to exist?
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  And because they got into the whole, well, who are Jews? And do they have claim on this land.
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  And I know he's given those answers. And that's the answers that Israel has
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  tested, knows what's going to work, what's not, as well as just our politicians.
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  They know what's going to work, what's going to not, to the mass audiences.
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  I don't care about the mass audiences.
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  I want to get to the heart of the matter. And what really matters at all is,
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  is it a biblical right or not?
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  I think it is a biblical right that Israel has to that land.
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  I do think that that is the case.
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  And the other nations don't. And it's not like that, because I hear all the
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  time Nick Fuentes is saying that people that are Zionist, they are,
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  they are, they worship Israel.
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  I don't worship Israel at all. I worship the King of Israel,
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  who is Jesus, but I don't worship Israel.
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  But I do recognize that they do have a specific promise, a deed that God gave to them.
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  If we're going to take any of the promises that God gives to us in the Bible
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  and the words that he says, like, if we're going to take it as gospel,
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  as truth, that God can't go back on it, he can't renege on things that he said.
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  Like, if we're going to say that God says that if you put your trust in Jesus
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  and your sins are forgiven, you'll
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  go to heaven and you'll be with him forever. We take that as gospel.
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  But when he makes a promise to Israel, we kind of, we do some mental gymnastics
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  to kind of rethink about like, no, he couldn't really mean that.
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  Either what God says is real or it's not. That's where I'm, that's where I'm
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  at. Let me know if you think different.
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  This next clip is probably the one that got the most traction because it got into the whole does...
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  Well, okay, say there is Israel, the people there are that specific people.
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  And how far does this reach? How much land did God give them?
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  And what Mike Huckby said is probably what a lot of people are thinking,
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  but he just outright said it.
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  Ask, what land are you talking about? Because I just read Genesis 15, as I have many times.
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  And that land, I think it says, from the Nile to the Euphrates,
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  which is, once again, basically the entire Middle East.
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  So God gave that land to his people, the Jews, or he didn't. You're saying he did.
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  What does that mean? Does Israel have the right to that land?
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  Because you're appealing to Genesis.
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  You're saying that's the original deed. It would be fine if they took it all.
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  But I don't think that's what we're talking about here today.
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  He said it. And is he being just tongue in cheek?
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  But I mean, Tucker knows he plays this game of being stupid, which he's not.
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  He's very smart, but he knows how to interview. He knows how to play dumb so
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  he can get, draw the most out of people.
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  He's very good at that. So him, he knows what Tucker, he knows what Mike is hinting at.
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  He knows what everybody in the back of the mind, it brings me to the thing about like predestination.
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  When people talk about predestination, we always say, well, what do you mean by predestination?
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  When we all know what people mean by it, they just don't outright flat out say it.
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  This is the same thing. Tucker knows what he's hinted at. Fine.
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  Well, it's exactly what we're talking about today.
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  But here's what I don't think you're... You think it would be fine if the state
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  of Israel took over all of Jordan? They don't want to take it over.
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  They're not... Mike Huckabee got back into the... Right after that,
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  it felt like Mike Huckabee thought he might have got himself into some hot water, which he has,
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  and there has been ramifications from what he said, because all the other Islamic
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  countries surrounding Israel right now are obviously pushing back because they're
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  like, what you just said that they have a right to all of our land?
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  The whole, well, how far does it extend, you know, of the land that God promised
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  to Israel back in Genesis and all that? How far does it reach?
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  Really, that to me is not as big of a concern because I think the hinge is, did he promise it or not?
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  And I think he did. I'm actually pretty 100% certain he did.
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  And I think that people that you can go the Nick Fuentes route and just say,
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  well, all of that stuff is done away with.
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  And he brings up, and he speaks of Yahweh, the God of Israel,
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  the Hebrew God, like almost it's a separate thing.
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  Like God was that way then and Jesus came and he's completely different now,
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  which if there's any consistency in God, he has to be the same being.
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  He doesn't change. So how does he, like, he becomes a completely new avatar
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  in the New Testament, a new thing?
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  That doesn't make sense. It doesn't line up.
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  You can, like, have that little cognitive dissonance moment and then just shuffle
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  it away and say, like, no, So the God of Israel, he worked with the Jews.
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  He made all these lying promises to them.
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  And then when Jesus came, who is the king of the Jews, who is the king of Israel,
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  that he forgets all of that. And he just goes a completely different route.
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  It's the same God, and the same God doesn't lie.
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  The same God, if he promises something, it stands firm.
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  It doesn't go backwards. It doesn't revert. It doesn't backtrack.
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  God doesn't need to backtrack. And when he says something, it's done. So...
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  I do think there are more like types and anti-types that fulfill these things,
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  but it doesn't negate what he said to them and what he promised Abraham,
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  what he gave to them and his descendants.
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  And it didn't become like there was Jews in the Old Testament and all the way
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  up until we get to the New Testament.
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  When we get into the New Testament, the apostle Paul makes it clear,
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  his one house rule for all the churches, and a lot of people don't recognize
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  this, But in the New Testament, in the Corinthians,
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  he says, my house rule is that Jews remain Jews, Gentiles remain Gentiles.
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  That means there is, there's still a distinction.
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  We're not all homogenized. It's not like when you trust in Jesus,
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  if you're a female, that you somehow become a new, a male.
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  And if you're a male, you become a greater male.
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  We're all just one thing now. We're not absorbed into one thing.
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  There's still distinctions. There's still distinctions.
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  And this whole, like with, with Israel, I know this can rub people the wrong
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  way because I know this isn't the, the popular opinion.
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  I don't care about the popular opinion. I really don't because I care about
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  God's opinion, what God says.
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  And I'm not going to just run with the crowd and just because,
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  and be a, what's that word? A grifter.
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  I'm not going to be a grifter that just, everybody hates Israel. Now I got to hate Israel.
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  Everybody wants to try to just discount Jews, make them nothing,
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  go along with this like a popular opinion and just say and try to remove their basic rights.
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  Because it's not like the things that there is a difference between what we
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  in the United States have to our land, as opposed to Israel has to their land.
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  I'm all I'm all for America.
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  But when you get into like divine covenants and divine promises.
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  God didn't promise England that land or that people that land.
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  He promised Israel and gave to Israel that specific land.
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  And Mike Huckabee, he's just working it out, saying the...
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  The inevitable conclusion of what we would all get to that if God promised from
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  the Nile to the Euphrates and now all the whole landmass and how far that goes,
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  I haven't dove into that specifically.
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  I don't know exactly from here to here. And really, it doesn't matter.
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  It's really, it was just a promise that they would have peace,
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  specific as the natural descendants, the covenant community of God,
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  that he would give them peace and rest in a land.
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  And it does signify a greater rest that all people who trust in God will have,
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  who trust in God through Jesus Christ will have, that we will have an eternal rest.
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  This land, this earth is going to pass away. But it doesn't change the fact
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  that we're still in the here and now and what God promised to them still abides.
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  And we see that throughout in the Old Testament, God said, if you're disobedient,
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  I'm going to kick you out of the land, which they were the ultimate disobedient.
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  When they rejected their Messiah, they rejected him. They crucified him.
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  And then God scattered them. God sent them throughout the entire world,
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  but it says that he would bring them all back, which he is doing,
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  and anyone that is opposing that, you are going against God.
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  You are pushing against God.
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  God will have the ultimate upper hand, and he's going to continue to work,
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  and he's bringing his people back, but I wouldn't fight against God.
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  It might be popular to say the things that go against God now,
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  but really it's maybe not the best thing to do for your own personal soul and
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  your personal well-being to be pushing against what God promised and said.
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  And I know this isn't popular.
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  I obviously know that. And I don't care. Jesus said, woe to you when everybody speaks well of you.
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  And when we get back to it, I'm not saying the things that just Israel loves.
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  So everybody that says, oh, he's going for a $7,000 check. I wouldn't even know
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  how to get a $7,000 check.
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  And I don't care about that. And I'm not going to say the things that Israel
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  just, because they want you to say everything for them.
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  I'm going to be open and clear with what I believe.
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  This is what I believe. And they're obviously not going to like the things that
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  when I say, when I'm not touting the party line, not being completely diplomatic
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  and being political like Mike Huckabee.
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  He's saying the very nuanced, careful lines that.
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  And I don't think he's not a puppet of Israel, definitely not,
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  but he believes in, he stands for, and I don't even myself agree with everything
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  that Mike Huckabee believes.
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  I'm probably even more extreme in certain degrees and different,
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  different in the ways that I don't align with a lot of Christians.
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  I think that when we try to remove these things and we try to make Jesus more
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  palatable and more of our age, we're actually diminishing and discrediting Jesus.
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  When we say that Jesus came away, he fulfilled the law, and that means he did away with all of it.
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  We're actually creating a false Jesus when we say that.
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  Jesus came, fulfilled the law. Jesus was a Torah-observant Jew.
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  Paul was a Torah-observant Jew.
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  Peter was a Torah-observant Jew.
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  They cared about the law, upholding the law. The whole question was,
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  do Gentiles need to become Jewish?
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  That was the question that they fought against in the New Testament.
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  That was the issue at hand. That was the struggle. And that was why they had
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  to have a convening council in Acts 15 to iron some things out.
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  But they upheld the law. And that's where I kind of disagree with a lot of Christians
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  in saying that the law has been done away with.
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  It hasn't. But it applies differently to Jews and Gentiles. It's not across the board.
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  All right, so this isn't the biggest issue of everything.
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  I want to get down to it. It's Jesus is the bottom line.
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  So that's going to kind of take off Jews today because they're not embracing him.
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  But that's the truth. Gentiles, we have Christ right now. They have the law.
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  And there's this barrier that people are putting up again that the apostles
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  and Jesus tore down. and we're resurrecting them with our own false interpretations
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  of the word of God. So we'll leave it at that.
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  Let me know what you think. Drop a comment. Let me know what you think of this
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  show. Follow me on X and Instagram at Brandon Fogle and have a great rest of your day.