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INTERVIEW: Governor Josh Shapiro Talks Prison Reform In Pennsylvania, Gun Safety, Democratic Messaging + More · The Breakfast Club

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  Speaker 1: Wake that ass up in the morning. The Breakfast Club morning.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is the e j en Vy, Jesse, Larry Schelamane
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  Speaker 2: the guy. We are the Breakfast Club. We have our
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  Speaker 2: sister Angela arrived with us this morning. Yes, indeed, have
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  Speaker 2: we got a special guest in the building, Governor Josh Shapiro.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome, Good morning.
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  Speaker 3: How you feeling this morning?
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, good working hard, feeling good.
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  Speaker 3: You're not related to Ben Shapiro, are you?
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  Speaker 1: Hell? No, man? Every so often, you know when he
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  Speaker 1: says some crazy thing, we gotta go tweet. Hey, just
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  Speaker 1: a reminder, I'm not related.
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  Speaker 4: To Okay, you know, I have a short list of
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  Speaker 4: people who I would like to see, you know, run
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  Speaker 4: for president one day, and you are on that list.
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  Speaker 3: Is that something you have aspirations of doing? Now?
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  Speaker 1: Look, first off, I appreciate that you take some note
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  Speaker 1: of the work we're doing in pencil man like sincerely,
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  Speaker 1: it means a lot to me. I'm all in for
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  Speaker 1: Joe Biden, and I think this is a moment where
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  Speaker 1: we've had some conversations. You've, you know, candidly, you've pushed
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  Speaker 1: the party, You've pushed others to maybe think about some
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  Speaker 1: things that we hadn't thought about in the past. But
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  Speaker 1: we're locked and this is a binary choice between Donald
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  Speaker 1: Trump and Joe Biden. I'm gonna do everything in my
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  Speaker 1: power to make sure Joe Biden gets elected. I hear listen.
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  Speaker 1: I hear the conversation, I hear the chatter, I hear
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  Speaker 1: the noise. I'm humbled by it, truly, But honestly, I
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  Speaker 1: don't wake up at night in the middle of night
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  Speaker 1: thinking about it. I wake up in the middle of
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  Speaker 1: night thinking about the work I'm doing for Pennsylvania, the
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  Speaker 1: work I got to do as governor. And I think
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  Speaker 1: if you stop thinking about that, if you stop thinking
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  Speaker 1: about your responsibilities, then you don't serve the people at Pennsylvania. Well,
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  Speaker 1: and that's my focus.
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  Speaker 3: If we still have a democracy in twenty twenty eight,
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  Speaker 3: would you think about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we are going to have a democracy twenty eight.
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  Speaker 1: We sure are, and listen. I love public service. I
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  Speaker 1: was raised in a home where faith and family played
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  Speaker 1: a central role. My faith calls me to service. It's
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  Speaker 1: the really I think. The work I do every day
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  Speaker 1: is to try and help others. There's a teaching in
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  Speaker 1: my faith. No one's required to come complete the task,
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  Speaker 1: but neither are we free to refrain from it, Meaning
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  Speaker 1: each of us has a responsibility get off the sidelines,
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  Speaker 1: getting the game, do our part. I love public service,
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  Speaker 1: I want to keep doing it, and I want to
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  Speaker 1: continue to serve as governor of Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get into the questions, how did you get here?
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  Speaker 2: How did you get into public service? What made you
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  Speaker 2: say this is something I want to do. Was it
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  Speaker 2: something that was done wrong by your family? What got
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  Speaker 2: you to this position? Is said I want to run
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  Speaker 2: in this crazy politics game.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Look, I grew up in a comfortable, middle
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  Speaker 1: class home. My mom a school teacher. She was a
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  Speaker 1: public school teacher in Philly till she had me and
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  Speaker 1: my siblings, since she was an educator later in her life.
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  Speaker 1: My dad was just like the local pediatrician, the local
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  Speaker 1: baby doc, and they were very focused on helping others.
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  Speaker 1: And also, as I said before, you know, Charlotte Mane,
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  Speaker 1: faith played a really central role in our lives. Every
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  Speaker 1: Friday night we were around that Sabbath dinner table, something
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  Speaker 1: my wife and I continued to do for our kids today,
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  Speaker 1: grounding us in our faith and our faith that teaches
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  Speaker 1: us to go out and work for others grow up
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  Speaker 1: thinking I wanted to be in politics. I certainly en
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  Speaker 1: grow up thinking I was ever going to be governor.
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  Speaker 1: But I did grow up thinking I had a responsibility
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  Speaker 1: to others. I had work I needed to do for others.
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  Speaker 1: My parents instilled that in me in an early age.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't until later in life, actually in college, where
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be a doctor like my dad,
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  Speaker 1: and I flunked out of pre med I was on
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  Speaker 1: the basketball team there got cut from the basketball team.
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  Speaker 1: Both things happened in the exact same day, and I
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  Speaker 1: thought my life was over right. And then literally that night,
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  Speaker 1: someone knocked on my dorm room door and said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: you should run for student government. I'm like, why would
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  Speaker 1: I ever want to do that? It was like never
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  Speaker 1: on my mind. As I looked back on that pivotal
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  Speaker 1: day which set me on this path, I realized the
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  Speaker 1: truth is service was always there for me. I just
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  Speaker 1: didn't exactly know how I was going to do that service.
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  Speaker 1: So that's how it happened for me. You played, well,
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I still do, dude, I do have game.
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  Speaker 1: Here's the thing you got to understand. I'll talk I'd
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  Speaker 1: rather talk coops in politics.
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  Speaker 5: But when I a young T shirt dude, I do
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  Speaker 5: have game.
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  Speaker 1: When we put a hoop in at the governor's residence. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: when I was younger, I was quick, but the game
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  Speaker 1: was slow to me, so I was a good point guard.
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  Speaker 1: I could see things happening. Problem now, being fifty years
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  Speaker 1: old is the game is still slow to me in
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  Speaker 1: my head. Except I'm slow as well now too, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm not very good.
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  Speaker 2: But if you get injured now, it's no longer a
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  Speaker 2: data to recover now it's like months.
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  Speaker 1: And my wife, every time I go out and play,
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  Speaker 1: she'll go, don't get hurt. I'm like, how about, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I have a good.
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  Speaker 5: Game score, like, just don't get protect it, And.
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  Speaker 1: Actually I do. I'm sorry, I mean talk everything. I
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  Speaker 1: do feel a sense of accomplishment when I get through
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  Speaker 1: the game and I don't get hurt. One of the
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  Speaker 1: most enjoyable things I do is going to a rec
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  Speaker 1: center in Philly without media, without cameras, without anybody, and
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  Speaker 1: just going and playing hoops with the kids there and
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  Speaker 1: then talking to them and like hearing their struggles, hearing
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  Speaker 1: what's on their mind, hearing their frustration you're in, their
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  Speaker 1: worry about their safety you're in there. You know, the
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  Speaker 1: fact breaks my when some of them, you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of talk about how they feel like nobody's out looking
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  Speaker 1: out for Yeah, I think it matters to their governor
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  Speaker 1: shows up and actually spends some time with them, listens
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  Speaker 1: to them, and you know, frankly learns a lot from you.
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  Speaker 2: Seem like the governor that has the arm brace, the
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  Speaker 2: knee brace, the mouthpiece and the headband.
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  Speaker 1: Is that you No, that's not me. That's not me.
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  Speaker 1: I don't wear the high socks. I still got kids
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  Speaker 1: who keep me reasonably cool, not well cool. It might
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  Speaker 1: be an overstander, but I look normal when I get
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  Speaker 1: out there, all right.
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  Speaker 6: One of the things that we know shapes public policy
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  Speaker 6: often are the things that we see on TV. There's
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  Speaker 6: a show that's very popular out of Philadelphia right now,
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  Speaker 6: Abbott Elementary. It's the one show I'm going to watch religiously. Yes,
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  Speaker 6: And of course Quincy Brenton is creator. You talked about
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  Speaker 6: your mother being a public school teacher. How influential has
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  Speaker 6: that shows? How has that been for you given your
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  Speaker 6: own connection to the public school system. Of course, you
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  Speaker 6: had a billion dollar increase in the budget this year
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  Speaker 6: to go towards basic education in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I'm proud of as governor that we fought
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  Speaker 1: hard and successfully got done the largest increase in public
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  Speaker 1: education in the history of Pennsylvania. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I did that being the only governor in the entire
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  Speaker 1: country with a divided legislature, So I got a Senate
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  Speaker 1: led by Republicans, House led by Democrats. Fun fact, there's
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  Speaker 1: only two divide legislatures in the whole country. That's the
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  Speaker 1: Congress of the United States, they don't get a whole
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  Speaker 1: lot done, and the Pennsylvania Legislature. So we fought hard
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  Speaker 1: for that. I think what Abbot Elementary means to me
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  Speaker 1: or says to me, and I realized it it's sort
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  Speaker 1: of different for everybody is it shows the struggles, it
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  Speaker 1: shows the inequities, but it also shows the love that
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  Speaker 1: these teachers, that these these administrators have for these kids
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  Speaker 1: and the love that kids have back. And I think,
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  Speaker 1: isn't that the story of so many schools that you know,
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  Speaker 1: these kids being able to do well, these teachers being
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  Speaker 1: able to do well despite the fact the government hasn't
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  Speaker 1: always been there for them in an equitable manner. That's
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  Speaker 1: one of the biggest challenges we're facing in Pennsylvania, which
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  Speaker 1: is not just the dollars that go to school, which
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  Speaker 1: is important, right, and I'm proud of the money we
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  Speaker 1: put in, but the distribution formula. And I hate to
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  Speaker 1: kind of nerd out on you here, but you got
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that the dollars are flowing to the
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  Speaker 1: districts that need it most. And that's one of my
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  Speaker 1: big priorities this year, is not just increasing budgets, but
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  Speaker 1: making sure we're getting it to the schools that need
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  Speaker 1: it most, the schools that have been historically underfunded, the
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  Speaker 1: schools where kids are really struggling to get by. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'll give you just a concrete example of this. It's
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  Speaker 1: not just the dollars he writ to school, but I
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  Speaker 1: got too many kids learning who were learning on empty bellies.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you think about yourself. You can't do this
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  Speaker 1: show without breakfast, without your call. Yeah, And so we
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  Speaker 1: have big problems that I fought hard and successfully got
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  Speaker 1: universal free breakfast for kids. And I had you know,
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  Speaker 1: some people say, well, kids should eat at home. Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know what, there are some kids who can eat
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  Speaker 1: at home, and so we got to be there for them.
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  Speaker 1: Same thing with mental health. I know that's a huge
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  Speaker 1: issue for you. It's been a big issue for me.
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  Speaker 1: I campaigned on it. I talk about every day. We
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  Speaker 1: got a new one hundred million it's about to, hopefully
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  Speaker 1: god will and grow to a two hundred million dollar
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  Speaker 1: fund just to allow schools to hire mental health counselors,
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  Speaker 1: have mental health resources online for kids. We got to
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  Speaker 1: solve these problems for our kids, and we've got to
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  Speaker 1: drive the dollars out in a more equitable way so
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  Speaker 1: students have a shot. I believe in making sure Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 1: is a place where everybody's you know, got the freedom
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  Speaker 1: to chart their own course and the opportunity to succeed.
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  Speaker 1: That starts in our classrooms.
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  Speaker 6: How would you grade your current levels of equitable distribution?
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  Speaker 6: We're talking about school So if those natural to grade
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  Speaker 6: you on this, how would you grade it currently when
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  Speaker 6: you look at the schools that are getting the resources
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  Speaker 6: they need versus those that aren't.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we're making progress, but we got a
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  Speaker 1: lot more work to do, and quite frankly, I think
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  Speaker 1: we get an incomplete grade. And let me explain why
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  Speaker 1: our appellate Court in Pennsylvania ruled the year ish ago
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  Speaker 1: maybe a year and a half ago. At this point,
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  Speaker 1: we have an unconstitutional education system. And in effect, they said,
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  Speaker 1: we have an unconstitutional education system because number one, we're
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  Speaker 1: not investing enough, and number two, we're not driving the
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  Speaker 1: dollars out in an equitable manner. So we're beginning to
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  Speaker 1: claw back on the investment. This year, I got to
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  Speaker 1: make some progress on how we drive those dollars out.
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  Speaker 1: And so I think it's a fair question you're asking.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to be able to come back to you
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  Speaker 1: in a year or two or three and answer it
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  Speaker 1: with a letter grade based on the progress that we're making.
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  Speaker 1: After that court decision, I had.
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  Speaker 2: A question about some of the gun violence. I hear
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  Speaker 2: a lot in Pennsylvania. What's being done to make sure
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  Speaker 2: we slow that down or even stop that? And I
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  Speaker 2: see I see a lot of drug use in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm seeing all over the country, but I
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  Speaker 2: do see a lot in parts of Brooklyn.
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  Speaker 3: I see it.
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  Speaker 2: I see parts of in Philly where it is almost
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  Speaker 2: looked like people look like zombies, like they're so strung out.
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  Speaker 2: What's being done to make sure we take care of at.
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  Speaker 1: Look, you got this dangerous combination on the streets in
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  Speaker 1: Philly and elsewhere. As you said, envy between those who
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  Speaker 1: are battling the disease of addiction, and my words are purposeful.
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  Speaker 1: Addiction is a disease, not a crime. Correct, those who
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  Speaker 1: are battling mental health challenges. And too many damn guns
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  Speaker 1: on our streets, including ghost guns, something that I've been
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  Speaker 1: working on for many, many years. These are guns literally
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  Speaker 1: they come in parts, buy them on the internet, snap
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  Speaker 1: it together like you don't have to be very handy
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  Speaker 1: to put them together. And you got an un serialized
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  Speaker 1: gun that's on the streets, and they tend to end
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  Speaker 1: up in the hands of kids. By way a background,
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  Speaker 1: Before I was governor, I was Attorney General and listen,
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  Speaker 1: I prosecuted gun traffickers. We prosecuted those high level drug
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  Speaker 1: dealers on our street corners that were infecting these neighborhoods
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  Speaker 1: and our kids with these poisons that were claiming too
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  Speaker 1: many lives. I held the pharmaceutical companies accountable. Remember they're
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  Speaker 1: the ones that manufactured this drug crisis because they knew
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  Speaker 1: this stuff was addictive, and yet they continue to put
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  Speaker 1: it out because they put profits before people. We held
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  Speaker 1: them account brought billions of dollars back to the States,
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  Speaker 1: specifically for treatment. So I've been a prosecute I've done
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  Speaker 1: that work, But I also understand if you're actually going
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  Speaker 1: to make our community safe, you've got to invest in treatment.
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  Speaker 1: You've got to invest in mental health, and one of
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  Speaker 1: the things I'm real proud of as governors, you also
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  Speaker 1: got to invest in community based efforts to reduce violence. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we're hiring more cops and I'm not ashamed to say that,
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  Speaker 1: and challenge me on that if you want, but we're
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  Speaker 1: also investing. We're also investing hundreds of millions of dollars
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  Speaker 1: in violence prevention money, money for community groups, money for
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  Speaker 1: church groups, money for the folks that are doing the
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  Speaker 1: hard work of ideally with kids, keeping guns out of
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  Speaker 1: the hands of kids, showing them a way to resolve
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  Speaker 1: their disputes without picking up a gun, understanding that when
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  Speaker 1: you pick up that gun in the first place, we've
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  Speaker 1: probably failed that child and that generation if we let
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  Speaker 1: them think that that's the answer to their problems. So
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  Speaker 1: we got a lot of work to do. In my
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  Speaker 1: bottom line here is you've got to come at it
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  Speaker 1: in a multidisciplinary way. It's law enforcement, it's community groups,
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  Speaker 1: it's mental health, it's drug treatment, and it's all of that.
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  Speaker 1: We're seeing some progress. Listen, I'm not going to come
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  Speaker 1: to your radio show and say we're out of the
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  Speaker 1: woods by any stretch, but we are seeing some progress
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  Speaker 1: in the data. That said, if you're a mom that
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  Speaker 1: lost her kid, let me tell you something. The data
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  Speaker 1: doesn't matter no matter how good it's getting. So we
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  Speaker 1: got to keep at it. We've got to keep investment.
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  Speaker 1: We got to keep doing this hard.
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  Speaker 3: Wow. Why more police officers? Though?
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  Speaker 4: I agree with all of the investmentship making and mental
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  Speaker 4: health and you know, fighting drug addiction, But why more
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  Speaker 4: police officer Because people will say more police officers don't
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  Speaker 4: essentially make screech.
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  Speaker 1: Say, I think police officers need to be properly trained.
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  Speaker 1: They need to look like the communities that they are
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  Speaker 1: sworn to serve and protect, and we've got to make
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  Speaker 1: sure there is order in our communities. You go walk
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  Speaker 1: through these communities as I do, and you listen to
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  Speaker 1: folks in communities. They want more police now, they want
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  Speaker 1: their constitutional rights protected, but they want to make sure
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  Speaker 1: that if somebody is reacan have it on their block,
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  Speaker 1: that order is stored. And I think you do that
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  Speaker 1: by making sure you hire police again properly trained, look
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  Speaker 1: like the communities are sworn to protect, hold them accountable
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  Speaker 1: if they break the rules. But make sure that you've
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  Speaker 1: got you know, order, you've got peace, you got security
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  Speaker 1: in a neighborhood. If a neighborhood isn't safe, kids can't learn,
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  Speaker 1: If a neighborhood is not safe, families can't thrive, small
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  Speaker 1: businesses can't open, small businesses can't do well. So you've
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  Speaker 1: got to make sure you create that safety. Safety is
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  Speaker 1: not only coming from police, but safety is coming from
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  Speaker 1: a multitude of the investments, like I was talking about before.
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  Speaker 6: Then, you know, the thing that's interesting about police officers
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  Speaker 6: who look like the community that they're policing, I think
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  Speaker 6: is important to understand too. There can be Clarence Thomas's
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  Speaker 6: with badges, and that's not always the best interest, you know,
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  Speaker 6: of the community. So it's not just never heard it
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  Speaker 6: describe that either way. I think that you ultimately have
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  Speaker 6: to deal with the fact that looking like the community
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  Speaker 6: doesn't mean they're of the community. One of the things
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  Speaker 6: that's recently come up with the state legislature that was
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  Speaker 6: I think this bill was passed last week it's a
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  Speaker 6: bill that prevents any cell phone handling in the car.
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  Speaker 6: And the first thing I thought about, We're like, oh no,
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  Speaker 6: this is another way that black folks and brown folks
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  Speaker 6: will be targeted in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 5: So I'm curious to know, Like.
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  Speaker 6: When you know, folks are naturally we're all wired to
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  Speaker 6: profile something.
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  Speaker 5: We have our natural stereotypical pieces.
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  Speaker 6: So somebody's you know, driving they got tened windows or
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  Speaker 6: loud music, are you looking for them to handle a
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  Speaker 6: cell phone? The likely answer for that is yes. So
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  Speaker 6: there were a number of members in the Black Caucus
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  Speaker 6: who were like, I don't know about this. I think
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  Speaker 6: they reluctantly signed on, but what are you going to
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  Speaker 6: do in addition to collecting the data that they requested
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  Speaker 6: in the bill to ensure that our folks really are protected.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, actually Black Caucus was at the table, and
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  Speaker 1: thankfully they were to make sure that that bill had
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  Speaker 1: added protections put in. I'm grateful for their hard work.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, I think it's important to note,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to come back to the crux of your question.
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  Speaker 1: You're seeing a real, you know, real excellence in black
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  Speaker 1: leadership in Pennsylvania government today. I mean, think about we've
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  Speaker 1: got the first black woman Speaker of the House of Representatives.
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  Speaker 1: Probably the most important decision I made during my campaign,
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  Speaker 1: one of the most important political decisions I ever made,
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  Speaker 1: was picking Austin Davis, a thirty something year old blackmail,
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: to serve as lieutenant my lieutenant governor. He's been at
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: the table for some of these, by the way, first
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: black lieutenant governor in the history of Pennsylvania. We've got
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: black leaders, history making mayors in Philly and Pittsburgh and Harrisburg.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: So my point is we're not only are we seeing
• 15:47
  Speaker 1: more people of color occupy those seats, they're massive contributors
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: to the work product of what is coming forth. And
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: this cell phone bill, back to the crux of your question,
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: this is an example of where they were at the table.
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: There was an opportunity to be heard, There were amendments made,
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: and ultimately it was not only by partisan Remember I
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: got that divided legislature, but I think folks views were heard.
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: Now to the other part of your question, we have
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: to make sure that municipal police, right, those are the
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: police in our neighborhoods and the state police. It's the
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: police under my jurisdiction across the state are trained in
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: a way that they're not looking for an issue. As
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: you kind of said, I think I'm paraphrasing your question
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: and making sure that they understand this pullover is designed
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: to protect all public safety, including that motorist, and not
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: for any other reasons. And I can tell you as governor,
• 16:40
  Speaker 1: we will use that data to hold officers accountable if
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: they are abusing that power that their representatives have given them.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: How do you train somebody's natural biases? Though, because you
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: don't know what's underneath a person. The person could be racist,
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: they could be sexist, they.
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: Could be home a vote. You don't know. How do
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: you train somebody's biases?
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a big part is adding and we're
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: doing this at the state police level, and I want
• 17:02
  Speaker 1: to see more municipal police departments do this as well.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: Is Less training on physical fitness, that's important, less training
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: on using your gun that's important, and I'll haul up
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: more training on what you're thinking between your ears when
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you approach a situation.
• 17:16
  Speaker 3: You have a thought about a social emotion of learning
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: for police offers.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: No big time, big time. I mean, listen, there is
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: a natural way you feel I don't want to put
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: words in mouse, so please you disagree with me if
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong. You feel when you approach a situation, a
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: social situation, and you see people that look different than you,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: You see people maybe behaving in a way that certainly
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: not criminal or wrong to it, but that might be
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: different than you behave. And so I think studying that, understanding,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: that training about that that's really really important. Now are
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: we perfect in Pennsylvany. Hell no, we have a lot
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: more work to do. But I think that type of training,
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: that type of approach, just that type of acknowledgment by
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: law enforcement leaders that hey, you know what, when I
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: approach the situation, I might feel a little bit different.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: So does that lead me to acting different? I think
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: for the vast majority of police officers, no, they don't
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: think they act professionally, act appropriately. But for those that do,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: we need to make sure that that training is deeper
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: and it's more embedded in the work that they do.
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: You know, we talked about guns before, right, and the
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: laws changed in the last five years, Right, very lenient
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: when they come to guns.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: So I'm reading it now and it says Pennsylvania is
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: an open carry state without a permit right, and Pennsylvania
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: does not limit the type of weapon which a person
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: may possess. It could be a handgun, rifle, shotgun.
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: Or assault weapon.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: What are your thoughts.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: On the fact that it's been so lenient in the
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: last five years. I mean, at one time you could
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: not own a gun in New York and New Jersey,
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: and now you know, with the right permit, you can
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: carry it anywhere you need to.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And to be clear, if you're going to conceal carry,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you need a right open permit.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: For nonca seeable conceal you need a permit. But it's
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: a lot easier now. Before it was almost impossible.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: I think the key here is keeping guns out of
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the hands of those who shouldn't have them, criminals, youth,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: making sure we've got universal background checks. That's something I've
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: been pushing for for some time. Understanding that we can
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: both and this is a big deal. This is something
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: I deal with every day as governor Pennsylvania. We can
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: respect the heritage of those who hunt in our rural
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: communities and our responsible gun owners and appreciate the fact
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: that that mom in North Philly doesn't want to see
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: her kid get shot when he's walking home from school,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and you can accomplish both without restricting the rights of
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: either of those individuals and those that they represent. It
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: is really important that we have these honest conversations. Now again,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I got this divided legislature right, so it's real hard
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: to get stuff like this done. But we've been having
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: more and more honest conversations about that. I go in
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: these rural communities, I talk to these you know, mostly
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: Republican leaning Pennsylvanians, and I say them, I'm not here
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: to take away your gun rights, but we can all
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: agree these guns shouldn't be in the hands of kids,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: these guns shouldn't be in the hands of criminals. You know,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: they agree, And so what I'm trying to do is
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: bring about some more common sense when it comes to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: our gun laws in Pennsylvania. I think it's a model
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: for where we need to go in this country.
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: There are a lot of things that you've done that
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I like.
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: Man, you know, I want to touch on a few
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: of the probation reform yeah with Meek mil the clean
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Slate three point zero, Can you talk to those and
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: the criminal justice from can you talk to.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: It's been a big priorty mind. You know, you might
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: think it's sort of strange. Hey, way, a guy who
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: is a prosecutor is also now leading an effort on
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: criminal justice reform and second chances. Look, I believe I
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: think I said this before, Giangela. I think Pennsylvania needs
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: to be a place. I think America needs to be
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: a place where everybody's got the freedom to chart their
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: own course. The opportunity to succeed starts in our classrooms.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: It goes through our small businesses. For some, it goes
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: through a union trade hall. For others, it goes to
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the military. We got to create economic opportunity for people,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: but for those that we fail, for those who didn't
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: get a chance, for those who get caught up in
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: the criminal justice system. We also have to have a
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: heart that believes in second chances. And I do the
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: legislation historical legislation that I worked on with Meek, that
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: I worked on with others in the legislature who did
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: incredible work on this, folks like Jordan Harris, Joanna McClinton,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: Tony Williams, and others. It says what our values are
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania that we're forgiving, that we believe in second chances,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: that we want to make sure you can get back
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: up on your feet and get a shot to start
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: your small business, go on your kids, you know, school,
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: you know trip, whatever it may be. And I couldn't
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: have been more proud and frankly more emotional to sign
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: those bills into laws. So now we wipe out that's
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the clean slave part, wipe out part of or some
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: of your prior offenses to give you a chance to
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: get back up on your feet. We basically cap the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: amount of time you can be on probation. Look, Meek
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: brought attention to this by virtue of the fact that
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: he was having technical violations that were landing him back
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: in prison. People literally aren't breaking the law, they are
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: not committing another crime, and then they were being sent
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: back to jail because of these technical violations. That's crazy.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: He was trying to school.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: Yes, so that is now that has now been addressed.
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: We've got these what I'd call sort of a soft cap,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: an opportunity for those not to end up behind bars,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: not to end up not being able to provide for
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: your family. This really really meaningful stuff. And by the way,
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: Meek deserves a lot of credit here, and I've become
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: really good friends over a number of years. We've had
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of raw and honest conversations. And if he
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: wasn't willing to put himself out there and share of
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: himself and be vulnerable, which is not something any of
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: us like to do, and certainly he didn't like to do.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: But as a result of him being out there, he's
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: helping a whole lot of people whose names are not
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Meek Mill, who aren't famous, who don't have, you know,
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: audiences necessarily with the governor, with other elected officials, And
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I think Pennsylvania is a more just place because of
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: his contributions and the hard work of many of us.
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: You talked about being all in for Joe Biden, and
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: of course, last week there was some groundbreaking news, historical
• 23:07
  Speaker 6: news that came out with our former president having thirty
• 23:11
  Speaker 6: four criminal indictments. A lot of folks have been talking
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: about the need for Joe Biden to pardon Donald Trump
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: if that were to come up with the federal cases.
• 23:22
  Speaker 6: What is your posture on that, given the fact that
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: you are responsible for balancing a divided state legislature.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, first off, just I'll be a legal nerd
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: here for a second. I'm sorry, sorry to do that,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: but he was convicted in a state court, so any
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: pardon Joe Biden could give wouldn't matter because federal charges, right,
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: that'd be a federal charge, and who knows if they're
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: ever going to come to fruition prior to the election.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Here's what I think we need to remember, you know,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: for his challenges, our system can be sometimes. This was
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: a case that was decided by twelve ordinary Americans. Twelve
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: of Donald Trump's fellow Americans heard all this evidence, they
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: considered the law as presented to them, they made sure
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: that they were diligent in their deliberations, and they found
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: unanimously thirty four times that he broke the law. And
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I think, you know, whatever your politics are, with you
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: like Donald Trump, don't like Donald Trump, we have to
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: respect the process. I've seen the process up close again
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: as Attorney General, for all of its flaws. Jury's work
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: and jury's need to be respected in our system, and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: so I think the jury should have Obviously, he's got
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: to write to appeal, He'll have his appeals, He'll be
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: heard by other courts. But I think the work of
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: jury's needs to be respected.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: Here, it sounds like that's a no.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: So I'm a pivot and say you've talked about again
• 24:49
  Speaker 6: being all in for Joe Biden. One of the things
• 24:51
  Speaker 6: that I think Lenard brings up often that is important
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: is there's a lot of attention placed on what we
• 24:56
  Speaker 6: don't like about Donald Trump, that he's a threat to
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: dem all the things that are said. What are the
• 25:01
  Speaker 6: things that make you all in for Joe Biden.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look, I think there's a clear contrast, and there's
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of reasons to be against Donald Trump. But
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: I really think, and this is why I've always run,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: you got to provide people with an affirmative view on
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: both what you've accomplished and where you want to take them.
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Right, And so I think if you look at the
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: body of work that Joe Biden has done, and I
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: see this as governor, I mean there's a lot I'm
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: doing as governor as a result of the help Joe
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Biden's given. I think there's no question in this election
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden is better for Pennsylvania, and I would say
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: better for Americans. I mean, look from infrastructure, y'all saw
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: when I ninety five collapsed and we got that reopened
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: in twelve days after they said it was going to
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: take months. Joe Biden paid for that. He was on
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the phone with me over and over and over again
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: making sure the full force of the federal government was there.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: That's a big infrastructure project that we all saw. Here's
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: one you probably haven't seen. There's a tiny town called
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: Esplin just outside in the Pittsburgh a thousand or so people,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: predominantly African American community. They've been drinking water out of
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: their lines filled with lead for generations. Joe Biden gave
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: a damn about changing out our pipes in that community.
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: And now that mom can turn on the tap and
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: not worry, there are kids getting poisoned with lead. That's
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: not a sexy thing, that's not something that's you know,
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: y'all are probably talking about on the show. But like
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: that's meaningful. So when we talk about infrastructure, all the
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: stuff Joe Biden's done on infrastructure, that's a concrete example
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: of something that is helping people live healthier lives in
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: a community that's oftentimes been ignored or forgotten. And yet
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: you can look at all the indicators right, particularly when
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: it comes to opportunity in the opportunity economy, we are
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: seeing unemployment at historically low rates, We're seeing small business
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: startups on fire, We're seeing real opportunity come all across Pennsylvania.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: I realize that those stats sort of don't vote, and
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I realized times it's hard to feel those stats, and
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: it's incumbent upon the President and me and others to
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: kind of turn those stats into real world accomplishments. And
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: that's certainly something that I plan to do and something
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I know the Biden campaign will continue to do.
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: So why don't they lean on, you know, and I've
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: said this before, on more people like you to deliver
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: this messaging because their messaging sucks. And like, I'm not
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: even in Pennsylvania, but I know a lot of the
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: great things that you've done, so clearly your messaging is
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: getting out there.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: Why is their messaging so bad?
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: I think we live in a really tough media ecosystem
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: where you got to be on every platform, talking every
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: every different way, whether it's a newspaper, whether it's on
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the breakfast club, you name it, and I think it's
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: incumbent upon them to make sure that message is getting
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: shared by more people. Than just the president and vice president.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: She's a hell of a gifted, you know, communicator, But
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: they got to rely on others, whether you know it's
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: me or We got some amazing governors right well, think
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Wes Moore, Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Andy, but Sheerman. We got
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: incredible governors doing really really good work rely on us,
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: and certainly we're going to continue to talk about that
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: on every medium we can.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: You think the Trump conviction is going to cause political
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: retaliation in the courts, like even jury's selection beginning of
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: the day and the Hunter and Biden try.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Do you think that it would be a tit for
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: tat type thing?
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I want to say no, because I believe in the system.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: And no, no, I'm not trying to bullshit you. I mean, like,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I really believe in this system.
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: Do you believe in that that other party, well, the
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: MAGA version of that party.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: It is my hope that judges, juries, prosecutors, defense attorneys
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: will ultimately do the right thing, which is just simply
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: file the facts, file the evidence, and render a fair judgment.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: What scares me about Donald Trump is the way he
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: wants to weaponize our justice system and use it against
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: his enemy. They've said it the way he says literally,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: he wants to be a dictator. Let me ask you, you
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: don't have to be a great student of history, No,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, think about all the dictators that have lived
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: throughout history. You know how many minority groups do well
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: under a dictator. Not many, right, minorities get screwed when
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: there are dictators. And Donald Trump has promised to be
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a dictator. This guy's extremist. He is dangerous. He is
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: someone who is out there to exact revenge. We don't
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: do well when that happens. And so I think, while
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: I believe in the system, and that's why I kind
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of pause when you ask that. Not that I was
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: trying to bide your question, but I want to believe
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: in the system, but I'm scared to death if he's
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: in charge of the system and the way he might
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: try and use it to exact revenge. Well, you sued
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump before, right many times.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen was the biggest one.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Every time. Listen, when I was a train of general,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I sued him over the Muslim band. I sued him
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: over so many different things, and one nearly every time.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: And then during the twenty twenty election, he and his
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: cronies sued us forty three times in Pennsylvania, first to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: stop certain people from being able to vote. Let's be honest,
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: they weren't trying to stop people who look like me
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: from being able to vote. And then after those votes
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: were counted, they sued to stop those votes from being
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: After those votes were cast, pardon me, they sued to
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: stop those votes from being counted forty three times. Let
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: me tell you.
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: Something that's a lot of tat.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I went forty three and oh, and he went
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: oh and forty three. The rule of law held. And
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: that's I think why I kind of I kind of
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: pause when you asked that question, Because this system has held.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I just think now he's a greater danger. I mean,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: he is a clear and present danger. But it's also
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: different are the number of judges he's put on courts
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: that can affect the outcome of these cases. Whereas in
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the past, the rule of law held, but you had
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: judges who were willing to do the right thing, Republican
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and Democrat. Now this is a different breed of judges
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: that are out there. And I'm afraid that he's you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: he's the impact is you know that he can have
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: to infect our justice system is really dangerous for everybody.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: The federal case in Miami is a perfect example of this.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: You know this this case is now just suspended in
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: thin air indefinitely because it's a Trump appointee. But you
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: talked about this system holding and I think it's so important.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: I think again, going back to something Leonard says that
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: I get mad at, but I think he's right. You
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: have to be able to Sorry, Yes, that's what his
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: mom and name.
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: By the way, I saw y'all on CNN maybe a
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: month or two ago, and when she called you Leonard
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: like that, she kind of gave you the side eye.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: At the same time you, I saw you sort of
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: lean back. Yeah.
• 31:44
  Speaker 6: But the system, and so I think for people of
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: color in particular, you said we don't do well under dictatorships.
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: There's not a whole lot of systems, even when we
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: help to build them, that we do well under.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Not This is not a Trump endorsement.
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: Let me be very clear, because people are slow sometimes
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: That's not what I'm saying. But we have to be
• 32:01
  Speaker 6: able to say where the holes are, where our blind
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: spots are, and talk about the dangers of Donald Trump.
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: We have to be able to say that right now.
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: We are working on justice reform because there are problems.
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: Juries don't always get it right, prosecutors don't always get
• 32:14
  Speaker 6: it right, public defenders don't always get it right. And
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: so where do you find the balance in critiquing the
• 32:20
  Speaker 6: system that you so believe in right and saying this
• 32:23
  Speaker 6: is an absolute no.
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: But let me tell you where we can improve.
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me give you a concrete example, so it's
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: not just theoretical.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: Also the forty three times you need to say that more.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: I don't think a lot. I didn't know that, and
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: I think a.
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: Lot of it.
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: Right, It's that's powerful.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: Especially name it because I'm not trying to give you
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: political strategy on their which is strategy. But the Fulton
• 32:43
  Speaker 6: County case, it goes right hand in hand with what
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: happened in Fulton County.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: So you should use that. Tell the you know, the
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: bis say.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Black, don't say people that don't look like me say
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: black and crown.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Okay, I need to go right, people don't
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: look like it. Now, that's fair, that's you understood my point.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: But I'll be crisper in my words. I do believe
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: in the system, but I also know the system is flowed.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Let me give you a concrete example, and I saw
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: this up close and personal. I realize you're trying to
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: you're giving examples where you might have a lawyer, a judge,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: whatever with a bias, and that certainly happens. But what
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: I routinely saw where there was a breakdown, where there
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: was an injustice done, is where someone didn't have access
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: to legal counsel, where a defendant was showing up in
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: court basically with one arm tied behind their back because
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: they have a good lawyer. And when you look at
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: poor defendants or indigent defendants, the problem in Pennsylvania is
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: even worse. We were one of only two states in
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: the whole country when I took office that did not
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: provide funding for indigen defense public defenders. I campaigned on
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: the idea of changing that, and in my first year
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: as governor, again divided legislature, we brought Republicans and Democrats
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: to to get this done. We lost that distinct and
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: now we fund our public defenders because my view is
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: if you got a fair fight right, then that's a
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: big part of making sure that the system works. Still
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: got to deal with bias. You still got to deal
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: with personalities things like that, but you got to at
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: least start with that fair fight. And now we are
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: beginning to have that in Pennsylvania by virtue of the
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: funding for indigen defense. That's a concrete example, and that
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: also says to someone maybe who has never been involved
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: in this system, Hey, I can have a little bit
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: more faith in this process. I can have a little
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: bit more faith in how the system's work. And I'm
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: proud of that. I want people to look at government
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: as a positive, progressive force for good in their lives.
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: And no matter whether you look like me or a
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: white guy or black eye, you look at it and say, hey,
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm gonna get a fair shot. And I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: know that there are too many people right now that
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: don't feel that way, and so every day I'm trying
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: to chip away and make it just a little bit better.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: So work in progress.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Another thing that you do that I love.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: You know, in regard to message and you have the
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: community text number, Yeah, well, people who have questions in commons,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: do you read all those texts?
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I read a lot of them. I'd be lying if
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: I told you I read them all and I get
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: sort of my team give me a you know, a
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: sampling and by the way, good ones, bad ones, ones
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: with questions, one where someone got help, one where someone
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: didn't get help. Uh, and we're constantly working to change. Look,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: I think in government there should be no wrong door
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: to reach your elected representaves, your governor, your mayor, your representive,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: you name it. We shouldn't have to force the public
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: to bend toward the way we do it. We need
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: to bend toward that. And so if they want to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: text me, great, I'm going to listen. It's another reason
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: why I don't just stand up at you know, the
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: press conference in front of the podium with the CEO,
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. I do some of that, but I
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: also will go on TikTok or Instagram and do a
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: live with someone about the very topic that I'm fighting
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: for and reach people where they are. And that's Look,
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not here blow smoke, but like, that's one of
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: the reasons why I think you all have been so successful.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: You're reaching people where they are. You're talking about topics
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: that matter to them, not that you're not forcing them to,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: you know, sort of bend to what on your mind.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: You're in touch with where the community is. And I
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: think whether it's on the radio, whether it's on TikTok,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: whether it's in the newspaper, you got to meet people
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: where they are. And that's what I'm focused on doing
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: every day.
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: That's why I think it's so important.
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: What about critique in the party, Like at a Democrat,
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: what do you think they're getting wrong right now?
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: In this moment.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I think Democrats gave up on rural communities across America,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: certainly across Pennsylvania, got too damn elite and started erecting
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: artificial barriers to entry. And I'm trying to rip away
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: those artificial barriers to entry and show up in these communities.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: Let me give you a couple concrete points. My first
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: day in office, literally my first full day, I signed
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: an executive order doing away with the college degree requirement
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: for state jobs in government. Ninety two percent of our
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: state jobs. That's sixty seven thousand jobs that now you
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: wouldn't need a college degree for. And by the way,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: in the years since I've done that, sixty percent of
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: our new hires don't have a college degree. Why do
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: I bring that up? There was an artificial barrier to entry.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: It was shutting people out for no damn good reason. Sure,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're gonna be a lawyer, we want
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: you to have a law degree. If you're gonna be
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: a doctor work in the state, we want you to
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: have a medical degree. But beyond that, like you shouldn't
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: have these artificial barriers. And I think what our party
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: has done too much over the last generation is we've
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: erected these barriers and said to certain people, we don't
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: want you in the conversation. So I'm trying to do
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: away with that. We've also said to certain communities, we're
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: not only not showing up, we don't give a damn
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: about you. Let me tell you something. I show up
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: in these royal communities, I talk to folks, I listen,
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: I deliver for them, and the election results show that they're,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: you know, happy with the work I'm doing. But I
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: think what it also has shown me, and I'm always
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: learning as an elected official, is actually, you go to
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: one of these conservative royal communities, or you go to
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: one of these more whatever progressive urban communities, everybody basically
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: wants the same thing. It's four things. They want a
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: good school for their kids, right. They want safe communities,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: they want ecno I'm an opportunity. They don't want anybody
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: fucking with their freedom, you know. They want you to
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: protect their freedoms. And we have too many people right
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: now losing freedoms, losing opportunity, and instead, I think I'm
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: trying to bring people together, Republican and Democrat alike, to
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: focus on those four things. And we're making progress so
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: that I can give a speech in Philly, and I
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: can give a speech in rural of Venango County. I
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: can go and have a picnic in a rural community
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: last week and go to the roots picnic this weekend
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: and say the same thing to everybody. And I think
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: that level of consistency we have not always shown in
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: a party, that way of showing up, that way of
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: erecting artificial barriers to stop entry. That's been a problem
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: for our party, and we're trying to change that in Pennsylvania.
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: So I have a Democrat. What do you think Republicans
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: are getting right?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: Right? I think it's a hard question because I think
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: think you have to separate out kind of that Trump
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: wing of the party from you know, sort of the
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: common sense Republicans. Many of whom I deal with in Pennsylvania, uh,
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: every day. I think they understand effectively the importance of
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: creating economic opportunity and communities that have been left behind.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: I think they understand. I think I understand this as well.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: But you asked me about their party. They understand that
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: oftentimes providing capital addresses an issue way better than some
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: big program that takes a long time to set up
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: and then ultimately doesn't work. I think those are some
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: areas where you know, I respect the work that you
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: know some Republicans in Pennsylvania are doing right now.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: We appreciate you for joining us. Oh, I got I
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: got a couple of questions.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Shake your head.
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Oh, now, just listen it.
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: So that said, why do you think why do you
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: think MAGA supporters? Well, back to what you said, So,
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: why don't more Republicans that are I guess of sound mind.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: How come more of them aren't standing up against MAGA?
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: Why are you just letting a succumb to MAGA.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, first off, I understand why you're using
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: that term. I don't use that term MAGA. I think
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: in many ways it's actually disrespectful to the voters. Who
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: believe in in that stuff, but we'll agree to kind
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: of disagree on that it is.
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: But it is a difference between traditional conservative yeah values
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: and what we're seeing.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: Now one hundred percent. What I don't understand is just
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: look at the sort of election data, and again I
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: keep coming back to Pennsylvania because it's what I know best.
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump wins Pennsylvania by forty four thousand votes in
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: twenty sixteen. Since that time, Donald Trump has lost Pennsylvania
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, and every single one of Trump's offspring,
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: including the guy I beat for governor, right, they've all
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: lost every election. And in addition that they've lost branches
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: of government at the federal level. They've lost ground in Pennsylvania,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: they've lost in other you know, swing states. I don't
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: get why they keep following this guy and following the
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: approach he brings, following his extremism, because like, even if
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: you believe it, I think most of them don't believe
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: it because they're frankly, they're just weak cowards that are afraid,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: and so they just sort of go along with him.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: But it's also just not a winning formula if you
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: look at who's winning, you know, it's me, it's Gretchen Whitler,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: it's Wes Moore, it's Andy Basheer, it's Gavin it's people
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: that are doing common sense things in these states. And
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: go look at the swing states Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Arizona, Georgia.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, you're seeing Democrats win there on common sense
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: messages and you're seeing the extremist Donald Trump clones losing there.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: So why they keep following this guy? I just don't know.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense.
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: So so on a national level, what does it say
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: about the Democratic Party that you've got MAGA supporters who
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: are still passionate about Trump and they don't care if
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: he's been convicted, they don't care if if he says
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: racist things, actually don't care about none of that. What
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: does it say about the alternative that they're still willing
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: to support that.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think maybe it says a lot about
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: how we nominate people in our system today. It says
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: a lot about how frankly many of the Republican leaders
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: nationally are just profoundly empathetically weak people that they can't
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: stand up to this guy. And you know, I think
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: they're gonna have a real reckoning. If Joe Biden wins,
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: as I expect him to win this November, they will
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: have suffered defeat after defeat after defeat with Donald Trump,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: Like he's not a winner, nor is his brand a winner,
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: And so how they sort of course correct after that?
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. You're kind of asking me to sort
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: of understand or predict the future, and I just can't.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: I just know that, Like, I'm a very common sense,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: logical oriented guy, and I just don't know why they
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: keep following him when he keeps the delivering L after L.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: Have you talked about Wes Moore? I think you all
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: both brought up Wes Moore.
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: We have one black governor in the country right now,
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: We've never had a black woman governor. We have one
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: appointed black woman in the Senate. But have you talk
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: about the party's obligation, Like what do you think the
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: party's obligation is to ensure a or more multicultural candidate
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: base and bench, Like we don't have an up and
• 43:27
  Speaker 6: coming Barack Obama right now, maybe except for Wes Moore.
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: What is the obligation of the party to ensure that
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: We talked about police officers looking like the community that
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: it reflects its base.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly what I'm trying to do in Pennsylvania. Make sure. Look,
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: I realize I have worked my ass off to get
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: where I am, and I was typically not the chosen
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: person by the party or whatever. I've worked hard to
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: get where I am, and I understand now I've got
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: a responsibility to the next generation of political leaders to
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: elevate people who don't look like me, to give them
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: a chance to lead. And that's again I mentioned Austin
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Davis are incredible lieutenant governor thirty something. That's the only
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: thing I hate about him, he's still in his thirties.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: But Austin is our first black lieutenant governor. This guy's
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: poised to do incredible things if he wants to go
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: beyond being lieutenant governor. Nearly, you know, not every, but
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: many of our leadership positions in our Pennsylvania legislature are
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: led by incredibly talented African American leaders, male and female.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: So I think my responsibility is to create that bench,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: to fund those campaigns, to fund those efforts to help
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: them be elevated. And I want to be clear, I'm
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: not taking credit for their you know, for their successes,
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: but I like to think that I'm helping and supporting
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: them along the way. I think if you build the
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: bench there state after state after state, then what you're
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: going to see is a real change in our politics
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: going forward.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: I got three more questions if that's it, because this
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: is some important stuff. The ten years Try plan that
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: you have on aging that designed to improve services for
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: older people in Pennsylvania. Yeah, why is that so important?
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Because you see always seems like people just forget about
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: the old.
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: They really Yeah, first off, we've never had that in
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: Pennsylvania for it, and just look at some basic math. Right,
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: one out of every four Pennsylvanians today is a senior.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: By twenty thirty, not that far away. Want to have
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: every three Pennsylvanians is going to be a senior. So,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: by the way, that creates a whole lot of workforce challenges,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: which we talk about it if you want, But it
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: also means I want seniors to be able to age
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: with dignity. I want to treat seniors with respect. Most
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: of them want to stay in their homes if they can.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: We've got a healthcare system where we're paying a lot
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: for it, but a lot of times those dots don't
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: get connected and they don't get the help in the
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: services that they need. They got ride share programs to
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: be able to get to doctors' offices, get to the supermarket,
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: get to their senior center, whatever, except those ride share
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: programs always don't always sync together with the needs of seniors.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: That plan pulls it all together, and it says to
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: seniors in Pennsylvania, We're not only going to fund these things,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: We're going to make sure that the money actually makes
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: its way to you. We're going to treat you with
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: dignity and respect. Listen. One of the things that seniors
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: are struggling with, all Americans are struggling with today is
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: rising costs. Right, everybody, everybody listening to this show deals
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: in some way with rising costs. I think you were
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: posting about Big Max or something.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: McDonald's right.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Nah, Yeah, and everybody's dealing with it, but I think
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: seniors on fixed incomes it kind of hits them even harder.
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: It's proby.
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: One of the first things I did was cut taxes
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: for seniors as governor of Pennsylvania. By the way, we
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: also cut taxes for families as well. With childcare expenses.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: We're trying to put money back in people's pockets. So
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: this Senior Plan is both coordinating services and putting money
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: back in people's pockets and saying to our seniors, we
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: value you and we're gonna treat you with respect, and
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: we're going to allow you to live your golden years
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: with dignity.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: And the seven million dollars that y'all are putting into
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Pennsylvania's main.
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: Streets in communities, it's seven million, right.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: It's a little more in that, but okay, listen, you
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: want to look at the vitality of a community, strength
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: of a community, Go walk down their main street. Doesn't
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: you got to fill you walk down to main street. Sure,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: there's tall buildings, it looks different, there's a lot more people,
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: but there's a main street there, and there's a main street.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: And those rural communities too. Maybe it's a lower, single story,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: you know building, what have you. But if those small businesses,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: you're doing well. If people see their main street as safe,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: if people see their main street as a place where
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: they can actually have economic opportunity, the broader community is safe.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: For the bader community has more freedom, the broader community
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: has more opportunities. So I believe in main streets and
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: that's why we're investing so much there. We've also created
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: a new fund. This is done. This isn't like pieing
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the sky for not just main streets. But we know
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: a number of small business owners in our communities, particularly
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: on those main streets, are minorities, and so we have
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: seen too many minority small businesses not have access to
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: capital and thus not be able to be as successful
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: as we'd like them to be. So we create the
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: first ever fund for historically this advantage businesses. So if
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: they want to use it for capital, they want to
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: use it for repairs, for whatever, a facade, they want
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: to buy a piece of equipment that allows them to
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: make more product, you know whatever, we now have funds.
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: For both, and that's that money's going to black communities.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Right. And then finally when it comes to these small businesses,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: remember pennsylvan not remember I should say Pennsylvania is the
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: number one purchaser of goods and services in our state,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: meaning the state government is. And if you look at
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: our history of procurement, about four percent of all of
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: our contracts went to black owned businesses and these small
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: diverse businesses, and so we're changing that I signed executive
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: order to increase that amount. So we're coming at this
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: in a number of different ways. We're putting capital in
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: these businesses, and we're making it easier for them to
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: get business with the state. You get a big state contract,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, your twenty person small business is
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: thirty people, it's forty people. You're hiring people, You're creating
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: opport change for accumulation of generational wealth. You're transforming these
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  Speaker 1: communities with the power of the commonwealth. So I want
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: to be clear, We're not just like writing checks. We're
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: putting capital out there, and we have an organized approach
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  Speaker 1: to making sure we are lifting up these businesses, lifting
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: up these main streets that have been ignored for too long.
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: One question, you know with U, I guess every state
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: dealing with the migrant problem. What is Pennsylvania doing for
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: that situation? You know, a couple of I think a
• 49:30
  Speaker 2: day ago to NYPD offices was shot by a migrant.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: They said he was They tried to put them on
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: the school that he was an illegal migrant. They said
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: he came over through the quote unquote Eagle Pass, had
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: a gun. He's been arrested before, but he shot two offices.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: So a lot of these states having problems with migrants.
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  Speaker 2: What is Pennsylvania doing.
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  Speaker 3: They're building a wall.
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  Speaker 1: We're building a wall in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 3: And I just said that.
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  Speaker 1: As an idiot.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Gotta have a serious commence trying to keep.
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: Might not. I mean, we don't like Knicks fans, but
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: still we're not building a wall to keep you all out. Listen,
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: we you know, we've we've gotten bustleads of migrants that
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Greg Abbott, you know, has has sent up to us.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a really wonderful network of you know, volunteer organizations,
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: church organizations, others funded and able to provide supports for
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: the individuals that end up in Philly. Candidly, we have
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: not seen the numbers that New York has seen. We've
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: not seen the numbers that Chicago or some other jurisdictions
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: have seen. I think this immigration issue is a failure
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: by both parties. You want to go back to kind
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: of your broad thesis on all this four years through
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Democratic presidence, Republican presidents, Democratic congresses, Republican congresses, they've ignored
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: what is a constitutional obligation to deal with immigration. And
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: this to me is pretty basic and this is where
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: we've got to stop focusing on extremes and start focusing
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: on common sense. Yes, we should have a secure border.
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: There should be whether it's a wall, whether it's technology, whatever,
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: we should have a secure border. Number one. Number two,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: we've got to have a responsible pathway to citizenship for
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: those who are here. We've got to make sure that
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: the dreamers are cared for responsibly. And third, we've got
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: to have honest rules of the road going forward to say,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: if you want to come to this country, great, we
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: are a welcoming country. We are a loving country. We
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: are a nation of immigrants that has strengthened our society.
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: But here's the rules you got to follow, and here's
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: the process you got to go through. And the fact
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: that Congress hasn't been able to do that. They were
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: a little bit closer a few whatever it was a
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: couple months ago until Donald Trump threw a monkey wrench
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: into it and told Republicans who supported the bill to
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: do a lot of that, Hey, you got to be
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: against it because I need this issue against your Biben
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: goes back to the issue I said before. These are
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: profoundly weak people who continue to put Donald Trump before country.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: But immigration is an area where we just got to
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: employee some common sense. That's what the American people want.
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: Is one of those things where the average American looks
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: at this and they see the answers right before them.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: Yet the Congress hasn't been able to come together in
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: a bipartisan way and sort it out, and Donald Trump
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: has made that a lot harder. My last question, you'd
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: be very generous way you said my last question, No,
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: I agree, I did two.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: This is happening right here in question the report that
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: say nobody flies private in Pennsylvania more than you, Mike
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: Rubin and Meek mil So, what do you say to
• 52:25
  Speaker 4: people who say the flights are coming out of the taxpaanfuck.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: We have a state plan. We've had a state plane
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: for I don't thirty forty years. I can go back
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: and check, and I get around Pennsylvania all the time.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: I get around meeting people where they are, I show up,
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: I work my ass off as their governor. I kind
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: of have this informal rule in my own head. I
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: don't want to be in the office more than three
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: days a week, which means I got four days to
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: be out in the community. Somewhere, listening, learning, showing up,
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: and to be governor and show up in Eerie and
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Philly in the same day. It's impossible by cars. I'm
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: using the plane in that other governors have used as well.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm showing up matters, and I
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: think too often times our politicians hide and don't show up.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: I want to be there with people. And by the way,
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: Mike flies on a hell of a much nicer place.
• 53:17
  Speaker 4: Final pitch to folks from November, that wasn't a question.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: Here's what I say. My last, last, last, extra last,
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: my extra last. Listen. There are going to be two
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: names on this ballot, and maybe a few other randos
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: on there as well. This is a binary choice between
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Joe Biden and Donald Trump. But in many ways, I
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: think this election is not about Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: It's about all of us and what kind of country
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: we want to keep building for ourselves. If you go
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: back and look at the arc of our country, we
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: have always made progress. Now, there have been chapters in
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: our America story where we've taken two steps forward and
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: then we've taken a step back. And I think for
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: a lot of people it feels like we're in one
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: of those step back moments right now. But if you
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: look at the progress we've made in this country, it
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: hasn't always been made by people who occupy the White House,
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: or governors or people with titles. It's ordinary Americans rising up,
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: demanding more, seeking justice, seeking something a little bit better
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: for their kids than the way they had it. And
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: so when people go vote this November, I urge them
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: not just to look at the binary choice of candidates,
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: but think about the kind of country we want to build.
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: Do we want it to be decent and honorable, where
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: we expand freedom, where we don't contract it. Do we
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: want it to be a place where, no matter what
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: you look like, where you come from, who you love,
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: who you pray to, you feel like you have a
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: shot here. Maybe there's not absolute perfect equity and equality,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: but you feel like you got a shot where the system,
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: as we've been talking about, is a little fairer, whether
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: it's in our schools or in our criminal justice system.
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: I think this election in many ways is a reflection
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: on each of us in the kind of country we
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: want to build. Now, Listen, I think if you want
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: to build that kind of country, there's only one choice
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: in this election, and that's Joe Biden, a guy who's
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: focused on expanding freedoms, a guy who's decent, a guy
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: who's honorable. I think the other choice is a dramatic reversal.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I said before, two steps forward, maybe one step back
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: at times in our in our arca history. I fear
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: if Donald Trump is giving the keys to the White
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: House again, it's not maybe one step back, it's multiple
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: steps back, and it's going to take us a generation
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: to recover from that. And so I think when you
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: go to the polls this year, yeah, of course I'm
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: voting for Joe Biden. I'm endorsing Joe Biden. I hope
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: you vote for Joe Biden. But I hope you think
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: about yourself, and I hope you think about the arc
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: of history and the way that it has gone and
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: your responsibility to continue the progress in this nation.
• 55:45
  Speaker 3: All right, do you have it, Governor Joshpaperrol.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Governor Josh Ferrol, thank you for joining us.
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: Govern Pennsylvania for future president.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: All right, great to be with you guys at the
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  Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. Good morning, wake that ass up in the morning.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club