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#1581 Lie Detectors, Floppy Disks & Robot Guide Dogs - Patrick Bonello · The You Project

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  Speaker 1: Gay Gruver's Tiffanyanne Kirkpatrick Jones, Bonelo, Craig, Anthony Harper, just
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  Speaker 1: rocking up for our fortnight they get together. It really
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  Speaker 1: isn't about you. I don't want to disappoint you. We
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  Speaker 1: just get together for us, so fuck ya. But look,
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  Speaker 1: if you want to join in, no that's not true.
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  Speaker 1: It's for you too. But it is a little bit
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  Speaker 1: self indulgent this fortnight they get together, but we do
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  Speaker 1: it anyway. Hi, Patrick, you know, it just occurred to me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we've done a shout out for like
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  Speaker 2: two years to ask people if there is anything in
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  Speaker 2: particular technology wise they would like us to talk about.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe you're looking for a new phone and you're just
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  Speaker 2: trying to decide whether to go Apple or Android, or
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  Speaker 2: maybe I don't know, you know, you want to get
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  Speaker 2: a better way of cleaning your teeth.
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  Speaker 1: Well, speaking of phones, we'll go to Tiffany An Cook
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  Speaker 1: at a moment. But last night on the news they
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  Speaker 1: had some bloke on the news who was at the
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, some convention you'd know in Las Vegas
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  Speaker 1: or wherever, like the groundbreaking Tech for the next next
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  Speaker 1: year and the notorious foldable Samsung phone that they've fucked
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  Speaker 1: up and ran Bennett thirty five times. They've got a
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  Speaker 1: new one, and they reckon, it's amazing because it's the
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  Speaker 1: size of a phone. But then it folds out. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know why I held up my phone like you
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  Speaker 1: two don't know how big a phone is.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry, crag see if you can fold them in half.
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  Speaker 1: I'll fold you in half. Pack an oragami boy.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's the yeah, consumer electronic show that's seldom
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  Speaker 2: less last but thank.
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  Speaker 1: You, thank you, And then but they reckon it's great.
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  Speaker 1: But also they had another thing, a ring that goes
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  Speaker 1: on the finger, like the one that Tiff has or
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if both of you have. But the
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  Speaker 1: new Samsung one that they reckon is amazing and puts
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  Speaker 1: all your data into your phone. So I better get
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  Speaker 1: one of those or not?
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  Speaker 3: Is it all real good at tech?
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  Speaker 1: Shut up? I figured out my earphones. Are you proud
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  Speaker 1: of me? Look at me?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm so proud of you. You know, you can
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  Speaker 3: tuck them around the back of your head so it
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  Speaker 3: ain't seen it really, You've got massive lats so they
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  Speaker 3: might not reach them my phone.
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  Speaker 1: Shut up, Shut up? Tis been yelling at me. Everyone
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  Speaker 1: tiss been yelling at me for two years at least
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  Speaker 1: to wear headphones. So I've compromised and I've got these
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  Speaker 1: little fucking I was going to say something that really
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  Speaker 1: would have got me in trouble. These little weird looking
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  Speaker 1: things that just hang on my ears. What do you
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  Speaker 1: call these tips?
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  Speaker 3: Just earbuds? Stick in your ears? Earbuds?
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  Speaker 1: How long did it take you to learn how to
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  Speaker 1: put them on? A bit? And then then TIV was
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  Speaker 1: teaching me how to buy things online last night at
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  Speaker 1: the gym. I asked her and she was laughing at
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  Speaker 1: how handicapped I am in that space.
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  Speaker 3: Patrick, he doesn't know how to buy something online just
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  Speaker 3: on Amazon where there's a big button that says buy now.
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  Speaker 1: I've never bought anything. I get a bit scared. A
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  Speaker 1: quick quiz again?
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  Speaker 2: Sure tell me what forward collision avoidance assist is on
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  Speaker 2: a car.
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  Speaker 1: I assume you're talking not in Southland, when you're in
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  Speaker 1: the queue to pay for your stuff. Yep, that would
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  Speaker 1: be yes, so that you don't crash into something in
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  Speaker 1: front of you.
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  Speaker 2: What about what about lane keep assist?
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  Speaker 1: Yep, got that on my car as well. You monitor
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  Speaker 1: blind spot view monitors. These are all things you're reading
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  Speaker 1: off my car, are they? Yeah? Yeah, you've got these.
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  Speaker 1: Does it tell you that it can park itself in?
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  Speaker 1: That I can get out in the driveway and it
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  Speaker 1: puts itself in the garage.
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  Speaker 2: You'd have really tight fit there, so maybe it would
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  Speaker 2: be helpful exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Tiff, good morning, How are you?
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  Speaker 3: Good morning? Good thanks, terrific.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Friday seven thirty five and thriving metropolis. What's
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  Speaker 1: the temperature in baland Patrick as we speak?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I stoked up the fireplace before I jumped in.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's the four point five degrees.
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  Speaker 1: It's warm, umped in the fireplace to be stoked it up.
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  Speaker 1: Be stoked it up? All right, let's jump into it. So, this,
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  Speaker 1: of course is tech central. I try to stay out
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  Speaker 1: of the way. Really, it's the Tiff and Patrick show.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just did to ask dumb shit that some of you,
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  Speaker 1: not all of you, because some of you are brilliant,
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  Speaker 1: but some of you are dumb fucks like me when
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  Speaker 1: it comes to technology. You know it, I know it.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm here to ask the questions on behalf of
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  Speaker 1: the dummies. Patrick, where do you want to start? My friend?
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  Speaker 2: Four point five billion year old Lego, well not quite
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  Speaker 2: four point five billion year old Lego, but Lego that
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  Speaker 2: has been made from a four point five billion.
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  Speaker 1: Year old media rite has been put together.
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  Speaker 2: In conjunction with Lego and the European Space Agency. I
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  Speaker 2: know I shouldn't find that super exciting, but I do so.
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  Speaker 1: Tiff and I are shocked that you find that exciting. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So the reason is so this media rite was found
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  Speaker 2: in Northwest Africa in the year two thousand and so
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  Speaker 2: Lego has worked with the A Space Agency to try.
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  Speaker 1: To build a Lego block because.
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  Speaker 2: They believe that a lot of the materials that make
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  Speaker 2: up the Lego block or this metia righte, actually are
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  Speaker 2: familiar with materials on the Moon, and they reckon, if
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  Speaker 2: you're going to build a base on the Moon, you
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  Speaker 2: want to be able to build it on the Moon
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  Speaker 2: from materials that are there from the moon dust. So
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  Speaker 2: this was a really interesting experiment and it makes sense
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  Speaker 2: do it with Lego. You can build everything out of Lego.
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  Speaker 3: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: Cool, You're not excited at all, are you? No? I
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  Speaker 1: just think building shit on the moon's a stupid idea.
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  Speaker 1: The atmosphere can't support life, You can't grow shit there.
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  Speaker 1: Let's do a cost benefit analysis on making the Earth
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  Speaker 1: better versus trying to fucking you know, habitat is that
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  Speaker 1: the word the moon? Like, let's just spend all those
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  Speaker 1: trillions on the Earth that we currently live in, and
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  Speaker 1: fuck all your plans for living on the moon.
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  Speaker 2: But the thing is, so much research went into the
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  Speaker 2: first Moon landings and it pushed technology so far forward,
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  Speaker 2: and space research does so much to help us here
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 1: There are molecules that.
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  Speaker 2: You can put together now in the International Space Station
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  Speaker 2: that you can't put together on Earth because it's zero gravity.
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  Speaker 2: So look, I know what you're saying, and it's a
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  Speaker 2: bit of a long you know you're drawing back a
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  Speaker 2: long bon but I think you need to play the
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  Speaker 2: long game and it does help in the long term.
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  Speaker 1: Here's what I'm saying. Two billion people who live on
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  Speaker 1: less than three dollars a day don't give a fuck
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  Speaker 1: about this. They just want clean drinking water, they want safety,
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  Speaker 1: they want clothes and warmth. So fuck your moon plans.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get all the people on Earth looked after first.
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  Speaker 2: I wish I had my AI lie detector. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if you be genuinely believing the shit that's
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  Speaker 2: coming out of him.
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  Speaker 1: And no, I'm kidding. No, two billion people or more
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  Speaker 1: probably two million people, two billion people live in poverty.
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  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. Not worried about what's fucking happening with
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  Speaker 1: the space station.
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  Speaker 2: I know inequality is just staggering, But I don't have
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  Speaker 2: gold tips to taps either.
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  Speaker 1: Relative to a lot of people you do. But it
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  Speaker 1: is it interesting thing? Were you a lego kid or not?
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  Speaker 1: You would have been more? Yeah, if you were, you
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  Speaker 1: ever ever a lego kid?
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  Speaker 3: A little bit more a Tonka truck kid?
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  Speaker 1: You know? Were you really like we fuck around a bit?
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  Speaker 1: Were you really a tomboy? I'm probably going to get
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  Speaker 1: in trouble when I say I can't see you ever
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  Speaker 1: having played with dolls? Send the emails.
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  Speaker 3: Do you have dolls? I remember a Barbie, right, I
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  Speaker 3: don't know if it had a head.
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  Speaker 1: I had a Steve Austin doll. Fucking If anyone had
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  Speaker 1: dolls on this little trio, it was you. You probably
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  Speaker 1: had all the dolls.
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  Speaker 3: Wait.
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  Speaker 2: I had a bionic man doll, Steve, do you remember that?
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  Speaker 2: And had a button you could push in the back
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  Speaker 2: and it had a bionic arm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. We used to. We used to flick rulers at
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  Speaker 1: school off the edge of the desk, so it sounded
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  Speaker 1: like him running. Do you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, And
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  Speaker 1: our local milk bar had accessories. I could buy a super.
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  Speaker 2: Kid at an inflatable raft and everything.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure they're doing the equivalent of that now.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that says a lot about me, So tiff Sorry
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  Speaker 2: I interrupted you. I just got excited talking about dolls.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have dolls?
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  Speaker 1: You did?
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  Speaker 3: You said I had some dolls I had did have
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  Speaker 3: Tonka trucks too?
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  Speaker 1: And what that?
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  Speaker 3: Match box cars? Used to throw them at my brothers,
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  Speaker 3: to piff them at my brother and get in trouble
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  Speaker 3: because they're hard. That's not getting shot if you throw
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  Speaker 3: all the match box car exone.
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  Speaker 1: Wow. So who would have thought young Tiffany and cooking
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  Speaker 1: Lon Seston throwing hard objects at her brother beach Nola, Sorry, sorry,
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  Speaker 1: Turner's Beach folk, both of you shout out to all
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  Speaker 1: our listener in Turner's Beach. It's all gone. Yeah. You
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  Speaker 1: tell us about lie detectors.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you know it's lie detecting is quite an art
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  Speaker 2: and it's hard to do. It's really hard to catch
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  Speaker 2: people out in a lie. We think we might be
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  Speaker 2: good at it, we might be good at lying, or
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  Speaker 2: we might be good at reading a lie, but the
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  Speaker 2: reality is that we don't. And even polygraph tests are
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  Speaker 2: pretty well crap. So now there's some researchers and a
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  Speaker 2: Leisha vonn Schleck and her colleagues have done a series
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  Speaker 2: of research. They're from the University of Wartzburg in Germany,
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  Speaker 2: and so they ran a number of experiments and they
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  Speaker 2: got people to use this AI assistant to be able
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  Speaker 2: to try to work out whether people were lying or not.
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  Speaker 2: So they got people and they incentivized people to talk
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  Speaker 2: about their weekend, and then they incentivize them to lie,
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  Speaker 2: and then they tried to catch them man in lies.
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  Speaker 2: But what they found was the AI tool was more
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  Speaker 2: effective than people at finding out whether people were lying
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  Speaker 2: or not.
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  Speaker 1: Now do we want to know if people are lying?
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  Speaker 2: But you think about how helpful it would be, not
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  Speaker 2: just in legal cases and stuff like that, but if
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  Speaker 2: you think about it fake news. You know, if you
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  Speaker 2: were you know, I don't know, job applications, it would
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  Speaker 2: be really interesting.
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  Speaker 1: But people selling you stuff. What about when people are
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  Speaker 1: selling your shit, the bullshit that comes out of their mouth.
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  Speaker 1: That's like a bit true, kind of true, completely untrue.
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  Speaker 1: People trying to impress people. Yeah, by the extended warranty
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  Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. So exact, do you know
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  Speaker 1: when they sold me my car, we'll come back. Sorry
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  Speaker 1: it's not a great car or anything anyone, but just
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  Speaker 1: pursuant to this point, they tried to sell me three
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars body protection. I'm like, what so the paint's
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  Speaker 1: no good? Oh no, the pain's great. I go, well,
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  Speaker 1: why would I need to spend just in the car
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  Speaker 1: that was for you? Ah? For me, I need that,
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  Speaker 1: then I should have got that. They do the body
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  Speaker 1: paint protection thing.
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  Speaker 2: They tried to do that with my cake cause I'd
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  Speaker 2: never bought a new car until a couple of years ago.
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  Speaker 2: It's like, what, yeah, exactly the past. They also try
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  Speaker 2: to do the upsell the on the interior. They said,
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  Speaker 2: if you go to the next model, you're vinyl at
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  Speaker 2: the material seat, we can upgrade that to leather. And
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  Speaker 2: I said, I want a dead animal in my gar.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, chart animal flesh in my car. But I think
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  Speaker 1: you know what's interesting about lying is that And this
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  Speaker 1: sounds obvious and funny, but it is true. Allegedly or
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  Speaker 1: am I lying? It's almost impossible to research. It's impossible
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  Speaker 1: to get virtually impossible to get really accurate data on
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  Speaker 1: lying because nobody wants to be perceived as a liar.
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  Speaker 1: So and it's all self kind of reporting research. You know,
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  Speaker 1: how often do you lie? Well, of course people are
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  Speaker 1: going to lie about how often they lie, because nobody
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  Speaker 1: wants to say they're a liar. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I guess the other thing too, though, is there are
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  Speaker 2: different types of lies. You know, there's the oh, yes,
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  Speaker 2: there is a Santa clause, or no, you look fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: You know what do you say? Well, yeah, there isn't.
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  Speaker 1: There isn't. I mean, it's either something's true or it's untrue.
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  Speaker 1: But I know what you're saying what we call colloquially
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  Speaker 1: white lies. You know, it's like when someone says to you,
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  Speaker 1: do you like what I'm wearing? And you think it's
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  Speaker 1: fucking horrible? What do you do? You go, No, it's
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  Speaker 1: fucking I love you, But that's dog shit. You know
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  Speaker 1: what do you say?
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  Speaker 3: What about? What about positive affirmations? Remember we've talked about
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  Speaker 3: those before, and if they're too far removed from your beliefs,
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  Speaker 3: they're actually they have the opposite effect. I wonder if
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  Speaker 3: you could throw that on and see where you really
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  Speaker 3: sit and how far you can push push your beliefs
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  Speaker 3: before you hit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder if that's I mean, I think everybody
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  Speaker 1: lies because and it might. You know, it's like if
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  Speaker 1: somebody like, if you're if you're in danger, tif, I
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  Speaker 1: would expect you to lie, like I would expect if
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  Speaker 1: not that you'd be in danger, becauld you'd punch anyone
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  Speaker 1: in the head. Let's say, I'm home alone, right, I'm
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  Speaker 1: in danger, you know, and it's in your interest for
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  Speaker 1: someone to think that someone's coming to meet you even
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  Speaker 1: though they're not, or that there's someone else in the house,
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  Speaker 1: or you know, like there's a time when for your
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  Speaker 1: own safety, lying is a good idea, you know, and
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  Speaker 1: that it's a really slippery slope and a messy landscape.
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  Speaker 1: But Patrick, do you remember a show on TV called
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  Speaker 1: Lie to Me?
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  Speaker 3: Oh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was fantastic because I reckon, you look like
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  Speaker 2: the guy we've spoken about that before, the guy Tim Ruff.
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  Speaker 1: Is it Tim Rough? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, you look like him, Tim.
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  Speaker 1: Oh thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Look up Tim Ruff and then look at Crago. I reckon,
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  Speaker 2: they look so similar.
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  Speaker 1: I reckon, I don't. But that was based on science
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  Speaker 1: from a guy called Paul Eckman, and the character's name
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  Speaker 1: was cal Lightman. And that science was all around and
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  Speaker 1: you know this around micro expressions and being able to
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  Speaker 1: and they mapped all this computer stuff. They mapped like
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  Speaker 1: thousands of micro expressions and it was meant it was
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  Speaker 1: meant to be the you know, the brain. Through that
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  Speaker 1: we could tell what anyone was feeling without whether or
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  Speaker 1: not they are lying ronest or sad or happy or
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  Speaker 1: resentful or frustrated. And then and then some other people
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  Speaker 1: brought out some research and went, yeah, that doesn't work
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  Speaker 1: across cultures though, So it's yeah, it's a slippery space Yestive. No,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't look like me, does he?
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  Speaker 3: He does? He really does.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what's his name again, Patrick? I'm going to look
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  Speaker 1: him up now, right now, everyone's doing that. You two
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  Speaker 1: keep talking, I'm looking them up. I say.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the interesting thing, though, Tive, is when does
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  Speaker 2: a lie? When does an exaggeration become a lie? Because
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  Speaker 2: we exaggerate. So if you're going for a job interview,
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  Speaker 2: you can talk about a position that you've held and
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  Speaker 2: the type of skills that you you embellish a little bit.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if.
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  Speaker 3: There'd be a difference in that between men and women,
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  Speaker 3: because men often have no trouble embellishing or stepping into
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  Speaker 3: jobs that they maybe not qualified for, whereas women have
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  Speaker 3: such imposter syndrome that we kind of do the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah, that's a good point. And you know,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's the fisherman going out there saying the fish
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  Speaker 2: was this big, it's always a cute one, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: My twin brother is an angler, and I've never understood
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  Speaker 2: the interest, and I know that it's the most popular
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  Speaker 2: sport in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: Did you have fish? You know what?
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  Speaker 3: I went fishing once when I had a little trip
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  Speaker 3: around Tazzy and didn't catch a single thing. We went
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  Speaker 3: fishing and went fishing at the Great Lakes with normal fishing, right,
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  Speaker 3: I think you go off for a fly fishing there
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  Speaker 3: we're standing there with normal fishing right as well.
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  Speaker 2: Fish is at I used to go fishing with my mates,
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  Speaker 2: not put a hook on, just put sinker. I just
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  Speaker 2: think it's so cruel, the poor fish, like they get
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  Speaker 2: a hook And my brother would say to me, that's right,
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  Speaker 2: we throw them back in yes, with major trauma to
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  Speaker 2: the inside of their mouths. Sorry, sorry to all the
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  Speaker 2: anglers out there, because I've probably just alienated sixty seven
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  Speaker 2: percent of our listenership.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah I did. Yeah, you fish quite a bit and
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  Speaker 1: I didn't throw them back. We just ate them. You know.
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  Speaker 1: It's the cycle. It's nature, you know. I tell you what,
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  Speaker 1: though I'm the closest I've ever got to becoming a vegan.
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  Speaker 1: Tiff sent me this video, a reel of this lady
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  Speaker 1: who's got a pet cow. Oh my god. Like I
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  Speaker 1: grew up in the country around cows, and for me
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: to think this cow was white and fluffy, it looked
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: like a gigantic dog. Tiff send it to Patrick. This
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: is terrible on a video, but the cutest fucking thing
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: I've ever seen. And I felt very guilty eating my
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: mince meat that night, I will tell you, but not
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: too guilty that I couldn't need it.
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: If people want to follow the page, it's Lacey Lacey
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: m Evans, l A. C. I E. M Evans and
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: there's heaps of cow pictures. Patrick, I'll send it to you.
• 16:51
  Speaker 1: I've already looked it up. That's okay. I can see
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: them good lad.
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: I love animals, so you're not gonna You've already got
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: a winner on me.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's pretty cute.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: It's a client of mine that has a thing called
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: the Valet's Black Nose sheep that you would never eat
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: lamb again if you ever saw a Valet's Black Nose sheep.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: They're so cute. I mean they're so cute. I would
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: you would not. By the way, there's got nothing to
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: do with tech. I'm thinking about getting the dog. Oh
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: get a snoutzer or with it? Nah, a proper dog? What?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Oh like an actual dog? That's a Palet's black nose sheep.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: And now tip so old it can you that's terrible
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: for bodka. It's cute, though, I'm very cute. Put it
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: up in the group. If you're not in our group,
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: do you project you project you're going.
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: To miss out on the sheep?
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: You're going to miss.
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: Out on it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: So can you put up the video one the video
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: of the cow so people know, like for me to
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: think it's cute, it's fucking cute.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I want that you talked about it every single day since.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: Very cute, It's very cute. My face favorite bit is
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: when she goes and lies on it. She just lies
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: on the back of this cow, and the cow doesn't
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: give a fuck. All right, Patrick, let's talk about tech
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: because we can. Oh.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, that's what we're here for, right, feel free? Hey,
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: well okay, AI, I know is something we talk about
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: a lot. We talked about the light detectors. A Scottish
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: artist is something done, something quite controversial and this is
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: a fairly I didn't know the guy. His name is
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: is Michael Forbes, but his works. People who own his
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: works include Madonna, Terry Gillham from Monty Python, Ricky Gervais.
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: So he's well known in a lot of circles.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Now what he's done is he's taken some of his
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: most impressive work and covered them in black paint, half
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: of them in black paint. So he's destroyed his artwork. Wow,
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: a protest against AI as a protest about you know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: the fact that a lot of these AI models have
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: been used by scraping data of artists' works. And he
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: said in a lot of ways. You know, it's a reaction.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: He's redacted his work. Four of his paintings have been damaged.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: You know, he's put this black pain on top of them,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: and he sees he's actually heartbroken.
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: He's deliberately done this. You know.
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: One of the paintings was John Lennon, and you know
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: it featured Taylor Swift, and he's just blacked it all out.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: And so it's an interesting little protest. You know, you're
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: not agree, you don't agree with Craig.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Well, no, it's not agree or disagree. I'm wondering. I
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: think it's well in some ways, I'm like, it's very brave,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: but I go, is it going to move the needle
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: on anything? Will it create any positive change? And if
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: he's just destroyed his own artwork and there's no positive
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: outcome from that, yeah, and he's depressed and sad. Now
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know. I mean, there's no judgment
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: in there for me, there's just curiosity. I wonder if
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: that will help in any way, if that will change
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: anything for the better. I guess obviously we're talking about
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: it on the other side of the world, so it's
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: brought attention to it and maybe that's a good thing.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: But I don't know. I think it's an indomitable force. AI.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's going anywhere.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Bit the hardest thing with AI that I try to
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: reconcile myself with is how they've scraped data without people's permission,
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Because this is another bit of research that's been done,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and they're saying that one of the biggest ALI models
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: were actually trained on a lot of Australian kids' photos
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: that were scraped from you know, websites, social media. It
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: might have been like the school swimming carnival and they
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: happen to.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: Publish a few photos.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: So this researcher was saying, this is an organization called
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Human Rights Watch, and what they said is they were
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: really surprised that this data set had a whole lot
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: of information like newborn babies with the mother still there
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: holding the babe and the umbilical cords still connected. I mean,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: it's kind of pre schoolers playing musical instruments, schools in swimsuits.
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: But for some reason, there seemed to be a higher
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: bias for Australian kids. Now, whatever reason it was, maybe
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: you know, Australians are more likely to post this sort
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: of stuff. I wouldn't have thought so, but there is
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: a real concern that these images, because they've now been
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: scraped and added to this data set if you want.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: What does that mean? Okay, like most of us don't
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: know what scraped means.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: So what it means is that these AI algorithms need
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to learn and they need examples. So they want an
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: example of what a middle aged man wearing glasses wearing
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: a black hoodie looks like.
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: As if there's any of them around exactly.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: So they basically go through and what they were doing
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: was just searching and scraping all the data from the
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Internet and using that to train the ALI model. The
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: problem is this was all kind of done. I think
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: it was altruistic initially. I don't think anybody meant it maliciously.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: But what they've done, and whether it's inadvertent or whether
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: it's been deliberate, is they have pulled in lots of photographs,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: including photographs of children, real people. And the concern is,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and this is about this artist, for example, a Scottish artist.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: What he's saying is his style of painting. You know,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: different styles of artwork might be very unique to a
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: particular artist. But if you say, I want to create
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: a painting in the same style as Craig's Dads, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: then it will replicate that using AI. Now that's the
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: concern is that real children's faces. And it was only
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: a few weeks ago that a school in back of
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: s Marsh, a grammar school in back of Smash, hit
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: the headlines because one of the students was taking photographs
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: of girls at the school and using AI to make
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: fake naked pictures. And you know, this is what AI
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: can be used for. So the reality is that no
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: one has given permission for their data to be used.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: It could be one of your books, it could be
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: something that Tif's done, it could be something that I've written,
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: it could be a graphic design or logo that I've created.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: And that's the.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Concern is that where does it start and finish in
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: terms of the you know, how much of your imagery
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: is belongs to you as the artist, as the person
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: who's produced it, or the person who's written it, or
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: the person who said it. Your voice that's unique to you.
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: You have every right to control what you say. And
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: it was only a few episodes ago that.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I as if anyone would use my voice without my permission?
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: Is that three episodes ago? Well, I hang on, I
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: hang on somebody, Oh somebody did on this bloody call. Yeah,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: look I don't know. I think, I think you know
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: we're going to go around in circles with this. There's
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: no answer. I mean, there's no there's no answer, there's
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: no quick answer anyway, there's no simple answer. And it's
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: exponentially increasing, you know. It's it's a fucking tsunami of
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: change that's happening in the virtual space.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Can I give one positive app Let's let's finish off
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: on the AI with the positive AI.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Still can we can we shelve the AI after this? Yep? Okay,
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: no problem.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Now, well there's a new AI model that's that that
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: there that's being developed at the moment.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And you know how you can use text to create
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: an image.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Now you can use text or you'll soon be able
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: to use text to create.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: A three D image.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: So say, for example, I wanted to print a three
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: D model of my dog, I could sayerate a three
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: D Schnautzer wearing a bow tie and it will actually
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: create the three D mesh model that you can print
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: on your own three D printer.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Is that kind of cool? Wow? And two of our
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: listeners are like that's amazing. Twenty thousand like fuck.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Next, Okay, the AI we're not going to talk about
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: AI ever again.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Fucking hey, everyone, I can three D print my schnauzer.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Fucking there's there's the gra of the century. Make that
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: into a real tip. Oh, three three D print your schnauzer.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Know about that. I'm not sure what I meant by that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: We all know what you meant by that. Do you
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: know what? Something I saw on the news, which I
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: see is on your list, mate, is what? And look?
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Part of me thinks this is a great part of
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: me hates it. I'm conflicted. Speed limiters on cars are
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: now mandatory or becoming mandatory in Europe, and I've long
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: wondered Patrick about and Tiff and everyone about. You know,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: It's like I have a motorbike that will do nearly
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: three hundred kilometers an hour in a country where the
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: fastest I can legally go is one hundred and ten. Now,
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I love the fact that you know I've got this
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: lead yet, but really it's like, even if it went
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: one hundred and forty, you go, well, that's enough, right.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: It is interesting that we produce all of these cars
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and motorbikes that are essentially unusable in most places in
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: the world. Can I make one point sure?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: And I live in a rural area and there are
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: occasions if I am overtaking where I am going to
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: admit this that I have gone over the speed limit
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: to overtake a vehicle as safely as I feel I
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: could to be able to get past effectively if it's
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: a be double or it's a large to get to
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: get past them. So look, I've only ever had one
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: speeding ticket in my entire driving. Yeah, I have won
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: a week, you know what, And you know what the
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: irony was. I was driving, I was late, driving to
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: a funeral for a person who died in a car accident,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: and I got done speeding.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's I don't know if that's a message,
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: but but but yeah, I get that everyone's done that.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: But I'm talking about you know, like the new Teslas
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: that do not to one hundred and one point nine seconds.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: That where building these like these higher and higher performance vehicles,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: which personally I love, But that's emotion, right, I love them.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: It's fucking I love all that shit. But from a
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: responsibility and a strategic and a logical perspective, it makes
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: no sense to have vehicles that do three times the
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: speed limit. So do we limit the speed.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Do we limit the ability for the car to accelerate
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: so quickly or to be able to go at three
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: hundred kilometers an hour?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Or we could all buy a twenty five year old Mazda.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: You know, we could do that with a head gasket problem.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Now look, I mean yeah, I mean at the same time,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: I love them, but I think if we didn't have
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: cars that went in But also I think if we
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: didn't have cigarettes that were we no kill people, but
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: anyone can buy them anywhere. You know. It's like, this
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: is just our society, isn't it. We've got a whole
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff that's legal that can kill you. Albeit
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: speeding is not legal, but we give you a car
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: that gives you the capability of speeding in a million ways. Yeah,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: Interestingly, this this legislation that's going through in Europe actually
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: has kicked off already. It's just come into law. It's
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: called ISA Intelligent Speed Assistance. It's now mandatory, so any
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: new car that's now sold in the EU will either
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: warn drivers when they're driving over the speed limit or
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: actively prevent the vehicle. So I like the warning idea,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: mind does that?
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: Yes? Mine literally has on my window. It'll have the
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: speed on the left, like sorry, the speed limit whatever
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: area you're in, on the literally the fucking windscreen.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Wait a minute, you mean a head's up display.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I mean. Well, that's why I've got you.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: And then next to that will be the speed I'm going.
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: And if I'm in a hundred zone and I'm doing
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: one hundred and two, shit starts fucking making noise. I'm like,
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: this is annoying. I better slow down. Two k's tiff.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Didn't he take the piss out of me last episode
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: about using the word hud and now he's actively using
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: a heart every day?
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: What heads up display doesn't think? We don't have to
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: use your bloody tech, bloody acronyms. Why it's easy to
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: stay hard? Tell me about an EV that charges in
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: under five minutes. That seems unlikely, that seems impossible.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: Well that this is This is the Niyebolt. I think
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: it's called the Niebolt EV. And yeah, they've I reckon
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: that they've been able to get it up and charged.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: I think it's eighty.
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: Percent within five within five minutes. That's pretty amazing. So
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: from ten percent up to eighty percent. And look The
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: problem we've got is standard lithium ion batteries don't allow
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: a charge.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: It has to be charged at a certain rate.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: You can't just force a whole lot of electricity into
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: it and it charges faster. So the way the batteries
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: built is one of the reasons that they're they're really
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: looking at how to speed up the charge process. So
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: that because the concern with lithium batteries, and of course
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: we've seen a lot of this recent times is fires
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: because they can catch fire, and this concerns about, you know,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: how combustable they are. But it's a startup company. It's
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: teamed up with Cambridge University in the UK, and they're
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: saying that they can speed up that by changing the
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: chemistry of a lithium ion battery, it will allow more
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: electricity into the battery to be retained at a much, much,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: much faster rate. So that would be a massive boon
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: to I think a lot of people. If you knew
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: that you could charge up your vehicle so quickly, I
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: reckon that would be a real, you know, really incentive
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: for a lot of people who are maybe a little
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: bit resistant.
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: To get Definitely that would be a game changer. Because
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: right now it's for a lot of people. It's very impractical.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: So the car that they adapted to do this was
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: a Lotus.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: The lease that's looking car. Isn't that as a gorgeous.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Cars Lotus make, which is a British car. Everyone. They
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: make beautiful cars. They've traditionally, or I should say historically,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: been quite unreliable, but they are amazing looking cars. But
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure they're not built in England anymore. Shout
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: out to our English listeners. Not everything else is good though,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: just maybe the old the old, old school Lotuses were
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: a bit dodgy.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: So you're going to say something before I.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: Was just gonna I'm interested in the night curfew feature.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: That's new software that Tesla are bringing out. What is
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that about?
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: That's a good question, you tell me, Just.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: Just take this bit out. What's on your list? Motherfucker?
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: You can leave all this into fucking no fuck him.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: He sends his little list and then he doesn't know
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: do you know what? Though in his defense, he did
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: send the list on Tuesday. It was such a why
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: were you so organized this week? Because I had can
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: I sure? Okay, this is how I prepare for the show.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: I read throughout the two weeks, and when I find
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: an article that potentially could assist, I email it to
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: myself and I have a folder. I had a kit
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: of work experience, and I got him to collate it
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: all for me.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: Ah so the kids, well, yeah, can you see if
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the kids available for the podcast? Because you're doing shit?
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Hey Christian, thanks for putting hard work.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: It's hey Christian, are you available in two weeks mate?
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Because the bloke that's currently doing it not that good. No.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: I do a live radio spot on a little community
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: radio station as well, but I didn't get to that part.
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: So I looked at it, thought, that's an interesting story.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: New update that is calls got a night curfew mode
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and it's great for parents right when they want to
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: make sure that their kids don't drive the car at night.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: So basically you can make sure that the can't being
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: used by someone who shouldn't be using it.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: You just got busted. You just got busted time. Well,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: how about instead of me asking you questions about the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: notes that you've sent me and throwing you under the
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: bus because you're ill prepared, how about you just steer
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: the ship.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Why would you want me to steer the ship because
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: I'll be talking about shit you're not interested in.
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: That's not interested in all of it. I want to
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: know about a six legged robot guide dog because.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Was this yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, Well, so when we
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: think of all those robot dogs, and Boston Dynamics has
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: been very popular in the past with the development that
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: they've done. We've all seen the Boston Dynamics dogs, you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: or the robots that get pushed over, they get back
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: up again. But I thought this was interesting because when
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: we think about, you know the fact that what could
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: you use those dogs for? You know, and now they're saying, well,
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: why not use them to help people who are visually
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: impaired or vision impaired, I should say, to be able
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: to help them, and that way don't have to worry
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: about cleaning up after dog. I mean, it's got a
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: lot of benefits there. You just charge it up then
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: have defeated. No, but I height of Fritz, by the way,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: my dog. I would never replace him with an electronic dog.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: By the way, No, I wouldn't. We were about to
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: get a dog, aren't you. Didn't you say, yeah, so yeah,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: you couldn't.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: Possibly do that.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: You'll you'll realize once you've got one. Anyway, So this
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: guide dog robot it also the benefit of this is
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: would have a whole lot of tech built into it
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: to be able to It's been developed in Shang Hih University,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: and it would have things like light ar and radar
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: and sensors built into it to be able to accurately,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: you know, see and navigate around the world and assist people.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And I guess you know, I think seeing eye dogs
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: are amazing, but you know they only have a certain
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: lifespan and you've got.
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: To train them.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: A whole lot of effort and energy goes into it.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: So yeah, this could be really beneficial. You're not interested
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: at all with.
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: Rose and cons pros. I'm with you, like they're probably
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: going to be in some ways more effective and more
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: features and functions. But you need the love. You need
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: the emotion you need to get. You need to line
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the floor with your guide dog and snuggle. You need
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: your guide dogs sleeping on your bed and licking your
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: face and farting.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: The problem is in countries, say, for exact, China is
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: a really good example. They're just a not enough guide dogs.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: That's the other problem so there's this long learning curve
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: where you've got to teach them, you've got to breathe them.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And so there are people who are missing out because
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: they're just as a more need than there are supply
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: and so much work that goes into it. But if
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: you can build them, train them, it means you just
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: download it straight into the dog or the electronic dog,
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: the six legged dog, and off your go and running.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I see that Japan has finally discovered Viagrapatrick, So the
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: story above, the one you just read, discovered viagra. Yeah, No,
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Japanese government finally says farewell to floppy discs.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: Really, I thought this was interesting because I know the
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Japanese government was still using floppies.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Yes, they've got an electronic viagra, so they're getting rid
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: of the flopping discs.
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: It's like descended to primary s.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: Its fucking year eight all over again. Isn't it Friday morning?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: It's early yes, so at it's why were the China,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: sorry Japanese government using floppy discs anyway?
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Well, they just had computer systems that hadn't been updated.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: They were still using a lot of this old tech
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: because it was working. You know, why fix what's not broken.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, it sounds absolutely absurd. I think the last
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: floppy disks would have been used what twenty five years
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: ago or something. I didn't know in terms of traditionally,
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: but so it was. Japan has a pretty rigid culture.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, I really want to go to Japan. It's
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: one of those bucket list countries that I'd love to
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: go to. And so, yeah, there was some single environment
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: systems where floppy disks were working and people were still
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: using them in the government departments.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, if I feel like I interrupted you, Sorry, Patrick,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: were you going to say something? And in opening the
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: door for Tiff, I then interrupted Patrick, Sorry, Patrick, go on, Tiff.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: No, that was way back in the guide dog conversation,
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: and all I was going to say is I missed
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: hearing the whole reason they have six legs, because soon
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: as the conversation started, I went and googled how to
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: blind people pick up after their dog? So I missed
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: the whole conversation.
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: How do they Yeah, I'm interested. That's interesting. Well, I'm
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: pretty sure that they are trained not to kind of
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: pooh in a certain spot and on command. I'm sure
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: that there's a about one hundred people listening now who
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: absolutely know the answer to this. What's the I'll tell
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: you what this is not technology is it's it's pretty good,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: all right? Why while tists finding that out? You just
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: keep plowing on, Patrick, I'll try. I don't know, I
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: don't know where to go from here. Now.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: The we kind of mock the Japanese government for using
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: floppy disks, but you know, a lot of the medical
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: profession still uses fax machines.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: When was the last time I used a fax machine, Craigo,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Not for well personally, not for a long time. But yeah,
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I know some even in some medical centers now, they
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: still they still use faxes and stuff. Because the other
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: day I was at the dock and I saw a
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: fax machine and a facts coming through. I'm like, am
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: I in back to the future? Yeah?
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: You know, the interesting thing is fax machines and facts
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: transmissions can't be intercepted. If I wanted to safely send
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: you a message, email is a bit precarious, So I
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: guess if I said the facts, it might be a
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: say way to send a message to you. Hadn't thought
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: about that, because have I admitted this story to you?
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: When I was working at a newsroom in Geelong. As
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: a young journalist, I used to get it was a
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: guy by the name of Stuart MacArthur who was a
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: local politician, and he used to on a Friday send
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: a media release that was like twelve to twenty pages
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: and wow, his faxes had rolls of fax paper and
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: when the role ran out, that was it. So at
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: the start of the weekend, we'd get it on Monday
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: morning because we hadn't done news at the weekend, and
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: suddenly all the facts had run out because it'd sent
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: this twenty page fax the night before.
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Really annoying, and this happened.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Quite regularly so and we didn't need all that information
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: because it wasn't print.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: It was just a thirty second news story.
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: So then one Friday I sent him back a fax,
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: but what I wrote on it was I had a
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: long sheet and I wrote, do not send long facts,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: and then I taped it to the other end.
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: So it was a continuous loop.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: So when he got into his office on the Monday morning,
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: it just had the same.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: A message on loop for his entire effects role. Sorry
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: my god, did you ever get busted for that? No
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: that he didn't send long factors anymore. It worked. That's hilarious. Hey,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know why this is a weird departure, but
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night last night, I woke
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: up and my mind was busy and I couldn't sleep,
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: so I turned on the TV. Now, neither of you
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: will know, probably, and neither do you need to know.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: A guy called Joe Walsh who's a musician and he
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: was part of the Eagles. Anyway, I love Joe Walsh,
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: and I love the Eagles because I'm super old. But
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I was listening to him talking about his music and
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: he wrote a song patrick In I think it got
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: published in twenty twelve called analog Man, and here are
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: some of the lyrics. Welcome to cyberspace. I'm lost in
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: the fog. Everything's digital. I'm still analog. When something goes wrong,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I don't have a clue. Some ten year old smart
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: ass tests has show me what to do. Sign on
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: with high speed. You don't have to wait to sit
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: there for days and vegetate. I access my email, read
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: all my spam. I'm an analog man. The world's living
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: in a digital dream. It's not really there. It's all
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: on the screen. Makes me forget who I am. I'm
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: an analog man. Yeah, I'm an analog man in a
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: digital world. I'm going to get me an analog girl
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: who loves me for what I am. I'm an analog man.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: That could have been written for me. That's fucking Joe Walsh,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: just fucking groundbreaking twelve years ago. That was That's good.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I actually like it. They're great lyrics.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Hey, you mentioned that your new car has a bone
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: sterilizer in it.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: So it's got a what looks like a glove box,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: but it's skinny, so same in the same spot, but
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: above the actual glove box. And I guess it's about
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: as like a couple of inches deep, so not much
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: like five centimeters, And you open the door or the
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: whatever to that, and you put your phone in, you
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: press a button and then it it sterilizes, I guess
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: is the word. It sterilizes your phone. It kills all
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: the germs that are on your phone, which I don't
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: think anyone in the world was asking for that feature.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: But nonetheless, I beg to differ really different because the
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: next little story that I did want to chat about
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: is how your phone your watch and particularly the you know,
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the clip or the not the clip the band on
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: your watch is a breeding ground for E. Coli and
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: staff bacteria, and how none of us really. I mean,
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: I've got to say I never cleaned the band of
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: my watch, and it's cloth, which is one.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: Of the worst things.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: So they say that were we should be cleaning our
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: device is a lot more than we do. You know,
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: you're pressing it up against your face. You know you've
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: got on your body, and it makes more sense when
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: you start to think of it. In those two you
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: can sterilizing kits.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: The funny thing is every time I look at your
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: window and I say zoom window, it looks like you're
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: sitting in a sterilizing kit.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: That's deliberate because it's glowing. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, because
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: it's got your car. Yeah, that's true. Well, speaking of
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: things that are on your person, you've seen this bracelet
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that's been on my wrist for twenty nine years and
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: never come off. It's very politically incorrectly called back in
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the day a slave bracelet. Oh right, and then and
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: they put it on, they screw it on, and it's
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: got the initials, my initials and my mate who passed away, Maddie.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: But that's been on my wrist for twenty nine years
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and never come off once ever. And I wonder when
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: on in nine ninety five, I wonder, I wonder what's
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: living under that? Wow?
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: No, the interesting thing is copper is actually bacteria resistant.
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: Some metals gold to thank you's the original bracelets, cop up,
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: There were copper bracelets. They were used as a medium
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: of exchange in West Africa as part of the slave trade.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: What has that got to do with my gold bracelet? Oh? Okay, okay, okay, okay. Well,
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: I think the reason that they called it anyway is
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: because it gets when you buy it, they put it
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: on with a screwdriver. It gets screwed on. There's no
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: clip or clasp. You can't take it off unless you
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: you know, you have those tools. But anyway, nobody needed
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: to know that. Oh. I think it's a lovely thing
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: that you're still wearing that. I think, Well, it makes
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: me think about him every day.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when you go to an airport, what happens when you.
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Get Yeah, that's interesting. A few times they've asked me
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: to take it off and I say I can't take
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: it off, and they're like, then I sometimes have to
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: like put my arm through the thing before the rest
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: of my body or one place they taped it like
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: they put like gaffer tape around my wrist and said,
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, sure.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: That's not gonna Well, I don't know what a knife
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: to your body and stroll on through?
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, because I don't know. I actually
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: don't understand what they think A round bracelet I might
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: what I might do with that on a plane, or
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: maybe it's I don't know, maybe yeah, I don't know.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: Who knows, Patrick save us.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: So I thought this is kind of not a tech
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: related story so much, but I thought it would be
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: one that would interest you because you're a big advocate
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: of exercise, and I know tiff is as well. Not
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: only is it thought that exercise mitigates cognitive decline, but
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: it also is linked to your gut microbia as well,
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: so it can actually assist in lots of different ways. So,
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I mean, we know that cognitive decline is something that.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: A lot of people worry about as they get older.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And you know, remember we had those brain games that
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: you'd play on in Well, they realized that none of
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: that it does help a little bit, but physical exercise
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: getting out their circulation include, you know, is the best
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: possible thing you can do for your brain health, is
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: your overall body health and exercise, but it also can
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: be linked to gut microbia and I thought, wow, that's
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: kind of interesting. So and people go through difficult times
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: and I've got friends who have real problems with with
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: digestion and all that sort of stuff. So it may
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: be that simple exercise rather than a sedentary lifestyle.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I prove that Union of South Australia last year,
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I think it was in December twenty twenty three published
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: a whole raft of research and findings around this, and
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you're exactly right. And they compared an exercise intervention against
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: medical interventions, so anti axiotics and antidepressants. And this is
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: not a direction or a recommendation anyone. Consult your consult
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: your person or persons. But yeah, the exercise exercise alone
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: created much better results. So I think it was like
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty percent, which seems a very convenient number,
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: but yeah, much better results versus just medication. So just
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: exercise versus just medication from that perspective. But even like
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: we've had a lady on who was I don't know
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: if she's any more Professor Ingrid, the head of psychiatry
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: at Royal Adelaide Hospital, who's obviously a doctor and a
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: psychiatrist and someone who exercises a lot, and for her,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: medication even for people with mental health issues is the
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: last option like drugs that she tries, lifestyle, food, exercise, life,
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: like trying to get people to change their own biochemistry
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: and what's happening in their brain on a biochemical level
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: with healthy interventions, because you know, any drug that you take,
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: even if it works on one level, there are going
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: to be there are going to be side effects somewhere between,
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: you know, very minor and very major, so you know
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: that's going to be factored in as well. But yeah,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: that's no revelation to me. But you're exactly right, mate,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: and it's great and I wish everybody. The problem is
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: in inverted commas is that exercise is hard and popping
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: a pill is easy.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And another bit of research I read recently was that
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: just walking forty minutes three times a week if you
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: can't manage anything else, just doing a vigorous walk.
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: But now you know more about this than I would.
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: The hippocampus is directly the part of the brain that
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: is engaged when we do more exercise. And now they're
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: linking the hipper campus with what's happening in gut health.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: So that's the correlation.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: And what they're trying connection to is what's going on
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: with you, hippocampus. Can you explain more about that? I mean,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: what does actually happen?
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, so, like the gut is interestingly called the
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: second brain now and the heart is called the third
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: brain now a lot of people you know, but everything's
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: interacting all the time. Like the gut microbiome that you
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: were talking about is affected by everything from the food
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: you eat to the sleep that you have to. Like if,
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: for example, you think a negative thought now which I've
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: said this many times, but that produces cortisol and cortisole
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: affects your gut microbiome. Like everything be the thought's mind
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: as we call the mind, which is really a construct
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: or the physical brain itself, or the nervous system, or
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the gut or the heart. You know, everything's intertwined all
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: the time, mate, and that's the that's the beauty of
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: this stuff. Is trying to like, research is important. I
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: wrote a post about this the other day, and there's
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: there's this term that gets thrown around a lot, and
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: the term is evidence based, right, So people come out
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: all the time and go, oh, this is an evidence
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: based protocol, or this is evidence based formula, or but often,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: like I would say, more often than not, it's either
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: completely untrue or misleading. And so and I know I've
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: diverged a little bit, but you know, learning to you know,
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: pay it. Even with what we talk about, which is
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: very informal and very casual, but even if we say
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: something on here that might resonate with people, I always
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: say to people, don't do something because we spoke about it.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Do something. Maybe go and open the door and do
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: some research for yourself and talk to somebody smarter than
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: us three dickheads, and then maybe after that then try
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: something or or oh, you know, if you want to
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: do something really basic like an equals one, you're the
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: researcher and the researched, just try something like Patrick said,
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: you know, walking every day for thirty minutes, or and
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: just see how you feel. You know, it's you don't
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: need to go to a doctor for that. Or you know,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: instead of having three meals a day, have the same
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: amount of calories, but in five meals and maybe your
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: digestive issues will be, you know, diminished somewhat. Like I think,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: it's a little bit of trial and error with all
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: of this stuff.
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: I have a little kind of mental policy that I do.
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I always take stairs when I can. Well, probably not
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: in a thirty story building, but for the most part,
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: if I can take the stairs, I always will. But
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: then someone said to me, actually a tai Chi master
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: who I met in China, who couldn't speak English, and
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: we translated our entire day of conversations through phones. But
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: he said to me, don't go downstairs because of the impact.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: So upstairs good downstairs, use an escalator or lift.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: So there you go. That's pretty true. I mean, we've
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: got to go downstairs. But it's like you're way better
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: off running up a hill for a range of reasons
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: than running down a hill. Yep, yep, exactly. So that's
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: what he said to me.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: And the other thing that I tell my Tishi students
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: is when you're brushing your teeth.
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know I've said this before, but when you're.
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: Brushing your teeth your two minute roughly routine, stand on
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: one foot as you're brushing your tooth, teeth, then change
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: to the other foot halfway through, and it's just such
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: a simple thing that's not going to impact in any way,
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't take any extra efforts, but the.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: Ability for you.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm trying to think of the term that our
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: brain uses to predict a fall. I can't think of
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: the terminology, but it's the same. It's the same instinct
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: that cats us to land on all four feet. And
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: you can improve that, so our ability to be able
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: to improve and work on our brain to get better
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: at balance core stability.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: That also includes predicting.
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: You know, when you have that sensation almost that you
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: can get stumble and then you do what you need
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: to stop yourself falling over.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: You can improve that.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Part of the way to improve that is literally just
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: to stand on one foot. So if you just stand
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: on your foot every day while you're brushing your teeth
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: or twice a day, and then alternate that, then it's
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: something so so simple to do.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: You know what, I love that. I love that you
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: say that because I'm weird. Right since I was a kid,
• 53:26
  Speaker 1: I've always done weird shit. I've always gone like I
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: remember being seven and going wonder how long I can
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: hold my breath. I've spoken about this before. I wonder
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: how long I can do it underwater. I wonder how
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: you know, I used to just do all this shit,
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: but even now, like I have this rule and here
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: at home where I only walk up the stairs two
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: at a time, yeah, me too. I do that as well.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I only walk two at a time, and even if
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: I'm carrying my dinner and shit up only two at
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: a time. Another thing that I do not all the time,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: if I'm being honest, but probably half the time. When
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: I put my shoes and socks on, I stand on
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: one foot I put on. So my rule is I've
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: got to stand up. I don't sit down to put
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: my shoes and socks on. I've got to stand up.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: I've got to lift one foot obviously off the ground,
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: put the sock on, put the shoe on, and then
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: do it on the other one. And it's like I
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: used to. I started doing that a couple of years ago,
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: and I'd fucking overbalance and fall, not fall, But you know,
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: and now pretty much I never like it. And my
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: stability and balance is way better than it was three
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: years ago. And I'm sixty, so but that's just doing those,
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: and there's things like you know, it's like sometimes if
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: I'm writing notes on the whiteboard, i'd write with my
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: right hand and I'm left handed. And then if I
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: do that, like sometimes I'll go, I'm only going to
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: write on not when I'm doing my messages for social media,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: but just when I'm thinking out loud, which I do
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: on the whiteboard a lot, I just use my right hand.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: And it's amazing how quickly you improve in a matter
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: of days at doing something that's completely atypical for you.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Brain plasticity, it's amazing.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I think appropriate exception is the ability to predict a
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: fall or to right yourself. But I kind of probably
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: should have looked it up before I said it, but
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: it occurred to me while we're talking, while you were talking.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: But you can rewrite your brain to be able to
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: work in different ways, whether as you said, you know,
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: I think it's great that you do the left hand
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: right hand thing, but I was also quietly thinking, oh
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: my god, we could be the same person because I
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: stand on one foot to put my shoe on as well,
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: and always tie my shoelacers one foot.
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: We definitely should be married. So you get right out
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: of the way, Tiff. Yeah, but it's that you know.
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: So there's a guy called Norman Deutsge without trying to
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: sound like a geek, he wrote a book years ago
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: called The Brain That Changes Itself, and he was he
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: was one of the pioneers in this space. He opened
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: the door because forever, until about forty years ago, we
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: thought that the brain you talked about the hippocampus before,
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: which is pretty much like the epicenter of learning and memory, right,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: and we'd go, ah, well, if you hip a campus
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: as fuck, you won't remember anything anymore. But that's not
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: true because the brain can adopt other roles and you
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: can retrain the brain as you said, which is neural plasticity.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: But yeah, we used to go, well, this bit of
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: the brain does that, and if that bit of the
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: brain's broken, then you don't have that ability anymore. But yeah,
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: we now know that that's not necessary. It will probably
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: be impaired, but other brains can take over some of
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: the function for one of a better term.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: It's interesting because there's now there's a lot of focus
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: on teenagers using the internet and being addicted to their
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: phones because of what is happening to their brains. During adolescence.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: We know there's a great lot of formation going on
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: in a teenage brain. So there's a real concern that
• 56:55
  Speaker 2: the use of technology and internet could be impacting the
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: way you know, juvenile development.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: And particularly adolescent development is progressing. And I think the.
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: Jury's still out, but you know, playing games, using the internet,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: scrolling away, all those things that we see teenagers doing.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: Everybody does, but saying it could actually be more damaging
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: in an adolescent brain for the pure fact that that's
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: where their brain is doing the most real developmental changes.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, sixty years ago, what was going to
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: derail the world, what was going to destroy adolescence and
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: the future, was Elvis Presley's hips. So you know, hey, mate,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: how can people find you and connect with you?
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: Well, websites noow, dot com, dot au or tichi at home.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: You know, we still haven't done our virtual tai Chi
• 57:47
  Speaker 2: class crago. I'm going to take you up on that
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: one again. Can we please do a zoom call.
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: You know what we should do. We should wait till
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: you've got your bloody special studio built. Yeah, okay, you
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: can come up. I'll come up for the weekend. We'll
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: boon on the couch and Tiff can make us dinner.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: That was a joke. Everyone. If I don't even be there,
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't let her come. It's a man's weekend.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: I've already got the first DIBs on. We've already talked
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: about yesterday. So you're you're second in line.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Bro, We've already organized a date.
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Wife has come first.
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Really yeah, okay, thanks everyone, Thanks Thanks Steve.
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: Thanks