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#Women and #History · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I welcome to stephone
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  Speaker 1: Never told your production of Ihear Radio, and today we
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  Speaker 1: are back. Happy New Year because this is kind of
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  Speaker 1: the first full episode we've done in a while, and
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of short. I'm guessing maybe not um, but
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  Speaker 1: it's very interesting. Uh yeah, because we are continuing or
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  Speaker 1: with our looking too technology and women. Apparently this is
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  Speaker 1: the thing we're doing that we didn't mean to. It
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  Speaker 1: kind of just happened. Um. And of course we couldn't
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  Speaker 1: ignore the impact of social media in this conversation, um.
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  Speaker 1: And in our recent episode with bridget we talked about
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  Speaker 1: the current state of Twitter and all the things that
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  Speaker 1: are happening there, which led us to take a closer
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  Speaker 1: look at the history of hashtags. You know, it's one
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  Speaker 1: of those like oh where did that come from? Moment
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  Speaker 1: um and how women have not only been impacted it's used,
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  Speaker 1: but has actually shaped the effectiveness of hashtags as well.
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  Speaker 1: So we had to jump into that. But before we do,
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  Speaker 1: and do you use hashtags or as we know it? Pound?
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  Speaker 1: You know, one of the like funniest generational divides I've
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  Speaker 1: ever experienced is that of the what do you call
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  Speaker 1: it pound or do you call it hashtag? But also
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  Speaker 1: like you know, when you would go visit Maybe this
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  Speaker 1: is just me, but you would go to visit an
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  Speaker 1: apartment building and it'd give you the code and I
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  Speaker 1: would just disregard the hashtag and just put in the number,
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  Speaker 1: But you have to put in the hashtag, and I
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  Speaker 1: would just hound stuck out there. Uh, I do use hashtags.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're gonna be talking about this more when
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  Speaker 1: I get to like the fan fiction section of the
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  Speaker 1: because you know, we have to have a fan fiction
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  Speaker 1: section of this, of course, because I feel like I
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  Speaker 1: generally use them in the way that is not I
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  Speaker 1: use them in the humorous way I guess um which
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  Speaker 1: they can. They They are very very useful in grouping
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  Speaker 1: information that is important, and especially around like protesting and
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  Speaker 1: very big issues. But there is like the fun side
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  Speaker 1: of them, which I never want to forget because I
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  Speaker 1: feel like a lot of times, as we rightly should,
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  Speaker 1: we talk about the more serious matters of this, but
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  Speaker 1: there are the fun kind of parts of it. And
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  Speaker 1: I really like coming up with the you know, super
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  Speaker 1: long ridiculous hashtag or either you know, like the humorous
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  Speaker 1: one where all you know, hashtag nailed it and definitely
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  Speaker 1: did not nail it. So I do, but I usually
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  Speaker 1: use them in a less serious way. I guess if
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, you know, coming on to Sminthy
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  Speaker 1: the show and I took over the social media, I
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  Speaker 1: was like, I can do this, which I found out
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  Speaker 1: I can't. Um. I tried to study and look into
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  Speaker 1: what is effective and what isn't because you know, at
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  Speaker 1: that point in time, we thought social media would be
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  Speaker 1: a big part of podcasting and not that it's not,
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  Speaker 1: but for us, uh, it hasn't been as a big
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  Speaker 1: our marketing people are like, don't worry about it type
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  Speaker 1: of thing. But I was really into its, like I want,
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  Speaker 1: I want to make this, I want to cultivate it
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  Speaker 1: whatever whatnot. Because the host before me, uh, you didn't
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  Speaker 1: take care of social media. I think Bridget did right.
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  Speaker 1: They were powerhouses and I still don't quite get them.
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  Speaker 1: But I one of the things I looked up is
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  Speaker 1: how to use hashtags, which we're gonna talk a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about. Not really we're gonna mention again about being used. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: So I try to be more serious with it and
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  Speaker 1: try to find all the hashtags I had. Uh kind
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  Speaker 1: of a nonprofit project that I did about women, uh
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  Speaker 1: domestic violence survivors and telling their stories, and I used
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  Speaker 1: that as well to group the stories, and I used
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  Speaker 1: it for um WordPress, which is not exactly the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna talk about that as well. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: realizing that this is how you reach out now that
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  Speaker 1: it just doesn't happen just because and it's almost harder
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  Speaker 1: when you don't use it, so you have to be
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  Speaker 1: very purposeful. So I did use it that way as
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  Speaker 1: a person on my own. Yeah, I do silly things
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  Speaker 1: as well. Um, I will write full sentences as well
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  Speaker 1: because I'm like, oh, this is ridiculous. But also I
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  Speaker 1: do have a hashtag for peachmouth puzzins. No one needs
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  Speaker 1: it about me. Oh I'll get in there, Okay, good
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  Speaker 1: in there. I use that one often, just like because
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  Speaker 1: all of my I will guarantee guarantee. So if you
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  Speaker 1: all want to see pictures of my dog outside of
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  Speaker 1: following me hashtag peaches mcfuzzin, you're welcome. Perfect. You know what.
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  Speaker 1: That would be interesting too if we looked at the trends,
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  Speaker 1: because of course, a part of the search that you
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  Speaker 1: can do to kind of widen the scope outside of
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  Speaker 1: just the people you follow or follow you or now
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  Speaker 1: all the retweets and the likes that come our way.
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  Speaker 1: And I hate that, by the way, where that you
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  Speaker 1: just see other people's likes. I'm like, why do I
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  Speaker 1: have to see this anyway? Um, But some of the
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  Speaker 1: things that are trending for me, specifically as Speaker of
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  Speaker 1: the House vote, which yes today is January, there is
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  Speaker 1: a mess right now with the situation, so I do
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  Speaker 1: find it interesting. Another hashtag is hashtag national Birthday. I
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  Speaker 1: did not know. Did you know? No? Okay, well now
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  Speaker 1: you do. Another trend is hashtag House of Representatives. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: and this is on Twitter, because we are going to
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  Speaker 1: largely talk about Twitter, especially at the beginning, because this
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  Speaker 1: is kind of where it began, specifically the hashtag not tags.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get into that once again. Yeah, so for Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: what's trending for you? So, so I just had an
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  Speaker 1: interesting time. I haven't used Twitter on my phone and
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  Speaker 1: forever I use it on my I'm the only person
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  Speaker 1: who uses a laptop. I feel like right now it's
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  Speaker 1: Prince Harry, Oh, Speaker of the House vote, Republicans and Ruin.
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  Speaker 1: I'm surprised. So usually there's something Star Wars related that
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  Speaker 1: is not like trending at all, But because I'm Star
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  Speaker 1: Wars versus, it's always up there. I like it. Yeah, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, maybe because there's no shows right now. Well,
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  Speaker 1: yesterday Ezra was trending. I saw that, and I was
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  Speaker 1: nervous about it. Darth Vader is usually trending for me,
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  Speaker 1: and I can't quite figure out why. But I mean
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  Speaker 1: I can, but I'm also kind of like this, meaning
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  Speaker 1: people just streating about Darth Vader all the time. Probably,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it was pretty similar, except for I don't
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  Speaker 1: have any prince hare, even though I've seen all the stuff. Ah, monarchies,
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  Speaker 1: let's just abolish them. Come on, uh JK. So we
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  Speaker 1: know of hashtags. We're getting there. I still like when
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  Speaker 1: you were talking about hashtag the door code, it really
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  Speaker 1: bothered me because I was like, it's pound, it's pound, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: What are you talking about? If you tell someone a
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  Speaker 1: code it's pound, how dare you? But yes, because it's
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  Speaker 1: been around, we haven't really talked about it too much.
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  Speaker 1: But we do want to take that deep dive and
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  Speaker 1: look at the history. So before we start, we're going
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  Speaker 1: to look back at the beginning. Of the hashtag and
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  Speaker 1: when you look at the origin of hashtag or again
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  Speaker 1: pound as it was known to me. Uh. Most talk
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  Speaker 1: about the moment in two thousands seven when Chris Messina,
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  Speaker 1: who was at Twitter at the time, sent out a
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  Speaker 1: tweet asking how likely people would use hashtags for their tweets.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, apparently the Twitter founders were not
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  Speaker 1: fans of either of these terms hashtags or tweets, so
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  Speaker 1: that didn't happen until two thousand nine, and they allowed that, like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's officially that that's fine whatever. Um. And it was
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  Speaker 1: during around the same time a snow BOYD, a blogger,
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  Speaker 1: was using something similar on his own blog post um
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  Speaker 1: and later stated quote in yes, y'all, I did deep
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  Speaker 1: dive on their blogs from way back when. It's also
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  Speaker 1: worth noting that Messina and I were involved at the
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  Speaker 1: time in a Twitter and blog based discussion about a
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  Speaker 1: membership in group versus what I call groupings UM. In
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  Speaker 1: a post at the time seen A specifically referenced my
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  Speaker 1: writings on groupings. A grouping is a collection of people
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  Speaker 1: that share attributes in common, like the use of a
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  Speaker 1: certain tag on their blog posts or frequent a certain
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  Speaker 1: bar or a study such as martial arts UM and
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  Speaker 1: he went on saying, my argument then see hashtags equal
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  Speaker 1: Twitter groupings was that tags and Twitter would wind up
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  Speaker 1: being used in the same way and indication of the
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  Speaker 1: nature of the contents of the tweet, but an aggregate
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  Speaker 1: everyone that uses the hashtags ted x are a grouping,
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  Speaker 1: and that self selected identification could be an important cultural marker.
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  Speaker 1: And that's pretty much what happened. Yeah, And Christmas Ina
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  Speaker 1: himself talked about wanting to explore options like tags used
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  Speaker 1: in blogs and point to sites like Jaku, which was similar.
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  Speaker 1: Um it was a similar social media site like Twitter,
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  Speaker 1: um and it was creating the same time and Flicker,
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  Speaker 1: which still uses tags to show trends and topics um. And.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, Messina took the tag San Diego fire as
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  Speaker 1: a tester, which was a way for bloggers to inform
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  Speaker 1: the public of the ongoing wildfires at the time, and
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  Speaker 1: in his blog, Messina states, I'm more interested in simply
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  Speaker 1: having a better eavesdropping experience on Twitter. To that end,
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  Speaker 1: I focused my thinking on contextualization, content filtering, and exploratory
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  Speaker 1: serendipity within the Twitter or sphere. Twitter sphere. I love this, Like, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so then go, oh yeah, all right, that continued, it
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  Speaker 1: occurred to me that I R c R Internet Relay
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  Speaker 1: Chat presents a proven model for these needs with its
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  Speaker 1: foundation on channels, and so that's what I'm generally going
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  Speaker 1: to call them now, and thinking about implementing channels, it
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  Speaker 1: was imperative that I not introduced any significant changes into
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  Speaker 1: the way that I currently use Twitter, any more than
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  Speaker 1: I have for any other features that have been added
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  Speaker 1: to Twitter, for example at replies or direct messages. Channels
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  Speaker 1: would need to be a command line friendly addition, and
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  Speaker 1: one that would require absolutely zero web based management to
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  Speaker 1: make the most of it. And that's what he did.
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  Speaker 1: And it was again in two thousand nine that Twitter
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  Speaker 1: officially adopted this new way of communicating, which would expand
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  Speaker 1: on to other social media platforms. Um and for more
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  Speaker 1: clear definition of its intention, quote, the purpose of the
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  Speaker 1: invention was to create a meta tag that allowed users
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  Speaker 1: to track dynamic content in relation to a particular event
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  Speaker 1: or topic. So, because we've said this a few times
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  Speaker 1: and because we're going to go into it, we did
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  Speaker 1: want to talk about the differences between tags and hashtags.
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  Speaker 1: So again we mentioned earlier tags have been around and
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  Speaker 1: was a part of the inspiration to hashtags, and if
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  Speaker 1: you look at Flicker today, the tags are still in
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  Speaker 1: use and helps categorize and even advertise an individual post
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  Speaker 1: or picture. I mean I remember using it on my
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  Speaker 1: Zanga post. Yeah, I did. Um and honestly just collected
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  Speaker 1: from me. I was like, oh, yeah, that's what those are.
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  Speaker 1: This would be and this would be around like two
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  Speaker 1: thousand thousand one, y'all. Yeah. Yeah, And they still use
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  Speaker 1: them on things like Tumbler, and we use them when
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  Speaker 1: we write our metadata, right, we have to write out
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  Speaker 1: keywords and that's for searchability. So it's not quite this.
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  Speaker 1: Well it's very similar, but it's not quite the same,
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  Speaker 1: but we have to write out like you know, this
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  Speaker 1: episode is about hashtags, and it has this, and this
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  Speaker 1: will and this for every episode. And we have in
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  Speaker 1: earlier episodes, of course, talked about the power of tags
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  Speaker 1: in fan fiction, like with a oh three archive of
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  Speaker 1: our own, which is like one of the biggest names
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  Speaker 1: in fan fiction. Um, more to come about it. Oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, I'm so excited. Uh, but yeah, we talked
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  Speaker 1: about in our episode. It was called it was a
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  Speaker 1: Monday Mini called a love letter to fan fiction, but
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  Speaker 1: it was mostly about A three where that was the
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  Speaker 1: big thing that differentiated AO three was the tags. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so you could search for very very niche things and
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  Speaker 1: as someone who's like posting on A three for the
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  Speaker 1: first time, like it'll show you if it exists, you
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  Speaker 1: can create one if it doesn't exist. People do like
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  Speaker 1: to have a lot of fun with them, as I
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  Speaker 1: said in that episode, especially like the no Beta we
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  Speaker 1: die like younglings, very sad, but not like the beta
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  Speaker 1: who is your editor? Um, And they're they're funny, they're
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  Speaker 1: like one of my very favorite parts of that experience
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  Speaker 1: is just reading the creative tags that people come up with,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a really great way of getting a sense
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  Speaker 1: of something without reading it beyond the summary, because it's
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  Speaker 1: like some can only tell you so much without spoiling everything,
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  Speaker 1: but the tags can give you a real idea of
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  Speaker 1: like what you're getting into, and they can warn you
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  Speaker 1: if it's going to have something that might upset you.
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  Speaker 1: Like they're just a really effective way of being entertaining
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  Speaker 1: but also conveying a lot of information and you can
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  Speaker 1: search for something incredibly specific with them, right. Um. I
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  Speaker 1: did read as we were researching this on one of
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  Speaker 1: the Reddit posts about fan fiction, but there was kind
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  Speaker 1: of a moment of like people being really upset for uh,
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  Speaker 1: people adding the tags when it wasn't really there and
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  Speaker 1: or harassing people through those tags. Yeah, well so there
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  Speaker 1: is a it's complicated to explain, but essentially like if
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to spoil people, you can archive your tags,
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  Speaker 1: or you can like basically the tax would change via
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  Speaker 1: chapter as opposed to you know, the whole story. This
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  Speaker 1: makes probably no sense if you're never had this, had
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  Speaker 1: this experience, but essentially like you can archive. You're like
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  Speaker 1: authors Show was into archive warnings, but still that usually
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  Speaker 1: means that that they just don't want you to know
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  Speaker 1: there's going to be a major character death or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll tell you in the chapter that it happens, like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is really not your thing. Um, I personally haven't
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  Speaker 1: had experience with harassing people through tags. I've definitely seen
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  Speaker 1: tags where I'm like, oh, we would not get along.
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  Speaker 1: But I do have a very like like I've said,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I've found a very niche, generally safe
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  Speaker 1: community in my Star Wars area. I definitely believe I
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  Speaker 1: can see it for sure. I can see it for sure,
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  Speaker 1: and there are things that are definitely like done in
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  Speaker 1: poor taste of like making fun of a character death
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  Speaker 1: and you know, not everybody's super happy that the character
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  Speaker 1: died or something. Um, but yeah, it's in my experience
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  Speaker 1: has been mostly delightful. Um. And people will tell you
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  Speaker 1: if they're like, you shouldn't have that tag, you should
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  Speaker 1: take it down. That's awesome my experience, probably not everyone's.
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  Speaker 1: But which is interesting because that is very specific in
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  Speaker 1: that you can request that. That's kind of rare, especially
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  Speaker 1: with the hashtags, because you just kind of be there,
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  Speaker 1: ignore it and move on or something like that. But
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  Speaker 1: it's necessary for you to dive into a thing. So
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  Speaker 1: that's that's interesting. Mm hmmm. Um. Yeah, I can talk
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  Speaker 1: about it forever, but we need to talk about more
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  Speaker 1: hashtag stuff. The widespread use of tags and hashtags have
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  Speaker 1: been adopted by most social media platforms, even though Twitter
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  Speaker 1: initially received backlash at its beginning, Messina said, quote in
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  Speaker 1: the beginning, people really hated them. People didn't understand why
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  Speaker 1: we needed hashtags, and the biggest complaint was that people
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  Speaker 1: just didn't like how they looked. It is interesting because
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  Speaker 1: it is highlighted so you're able to click on it.
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  Speaker 1: And it'll take you to kind of kind of a
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  Speaker 1: page of other posts that has that tag. Um. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't met I was one of those people. I
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  Speaker 1: even mocked the usage of them by making them the
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  Speaker 1: most ridiculous tag, because I like, what is this, oh hashtag?
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  Speaker 1: And the fact that is about a vernacular literally people
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  Speaker 1: say hashtags something. Of course, usually it's tongue in cheek,
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  Speaker 1: but I've definitely seen people seriously saying it um and
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  Speaker 1: it's become a part of our vocabulary, which is very interesting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that was part of the backlashes when
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  Speaker 1: especially like in my in my realm, like health mostly
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  Speaker 1: women health creators or being like hashtag blust or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: that became a real joke and it's been then we
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  Speaker 1: did an episode, well Pass hosted an episode on it,
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  Speaker 1: so you can check that off you want to. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that didn't change the trajectory of how important this initiative
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  Speaker 1: would be for our social media today. Right, So let's
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  Speaker 1: talk about what's happening today as hashtags took off and
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  Speaker 1: is now used for a variety of reasons, including becoming
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  Speaker 1: an influencer, which we've talked about a lot. If you
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  Speaker 1: look at hashtags today, and of course we did. There
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  Speaker 1: are articles after articles on how to use hashtags to
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  Speaker 1: build up your following and your brand. Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: I looked blows up myself when I initially started with
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  Speaker 1: sminty Um. Social media coordinators often use current trends to
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  Speaker 1: promote a brand or a person in order to gain
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  Speaker 1: more followers and more viewers. And this equals money um obviously,
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  Speaker 1: and or brand deals or all those things. Many articles
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  Speaker 1: online today how to how to with the power of
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  Speaker 1: the hashtag. One article written for entrepreneurs a say of hashtag,
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  Speaker 1: the hashtag, that ubiquitous pound sign followed by keyword are
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  Speaker 1: part of the language of social media. Who better to
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  Speaker 1: use these hashtags than entrepreneurs? Right? Uh? And then they
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  Speaker 1: say hashtags are simple, honest and explosive way to increase
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  Speaker 1: your engagement as an entrepreneur. Yeah, and I will say,
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  Speaker 1: we recently discussed the cold emails. We get a lot
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  Speaker 1: at the sminty email address, and a lot of them
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  Speaker 1: are we can maximize your social media presence. We can
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  Speaker 1: work gear hashtags, which I find very fascinating. Um and
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  Speaker 1: users for hashtags have already been adapted for newer social
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  Speaker 1: media like TikTok um TikTok takes the usage of hashtags
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  Speaker 1: a step further by using it as part of an
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  Speaker 1: individual's algorithm with hashtags like f y P or the
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  Speaker 1: for you page, and also helping to create specific subcultures
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  Speaker 1: within its system. Some of the popular subcultures include hashtag
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  Speaker 1: cottage core, hashtag moms of TikTok, and hashtag thiktok, which
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  Speaker 1: often are geared more towards women or female identifying users.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Hashtags are so widely used on TikTok TikTok business sites
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: use it as a way of advertising to creators to
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: hop on the trend. For example, in August, they tweeted
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: the number of hashtag views such as hashtag small business
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: to encourage small business to join TikTok and to use
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: the platform to grow their businesses. And just in case
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you were wondering, hashtag small business had thirty three point
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: eight billion views at the time. Huge um. But one
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: of the uses of hashtags that had had us thinking
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: about the origins of hashtags happened to be the usage
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: of hashtag activism. Currently on social media platforms, the hashtag
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: say their names to save their Lives has been circulating
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  Speaker 1: to publicly discuss the revolution occurring in Iran um and
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the many people who have been kidnapped and detained due
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: to their protesting or supporting the protests occurring there now.
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  Speaker 1: And just a reminder, as far as I believe still,
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  Speaker 1: Iran has cut off internet access for those uh in Iran,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: so many of the activists are outside of Iran trying
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: to relay what is happening so that we are in
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: the know. And hashtag activism has been around for over
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: a decade now, if not longer, and even has its
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: own Wikipedia page, and according to the Wikipedia page, hashtag
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: activism quote refers to the use of Twitter's hashtag for
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Internet activism. The hashtag has become one of the many
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: ways the social media contributes to civic engagement and social movements.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: The use of hashtag on social media provides users with
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: an opportunity to share information and opinions about social issues
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: in a way that others followers can interact and engage
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: as part of a larger conversation with a potential to
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: create change, and it has done that. Some of the
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: biggest hashtags used for activism was at the hands of women,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: more specifically women of color. The conversation of hashtag activism
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: is such a large topic and social justice movement books
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: have been written in studying this specific subject, including one
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: written by Sarah Jackson, Moya Bailey, and Brooke fuco Oils
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: titled Hashtag Activism Networks of Race and Gender Justice, which
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: was published in which we do want to talk about
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: throughout the rest of the episode. Here's a description from
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: m I T Press dot m I T dot Edu.
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  Speaker 1: In this book, they explore how and why Twitter has
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: become an important platform for historically disenfranchised populations, including Black Americans, women,
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and transgender people. They show how marginalized groups, along excluded
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: from elite media spaces, have used Twitter hashtags to advance
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: counter narratives, preempt political spin, and build diverse networks of descent.
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  Speaker 1: Throughout the book, the authors speak of the impact of
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: hashtags throughout the current movements that have affected throughout the
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: U s um and in the book they define the
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: usage of hashtag and its uses. They write quote hashtags,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: which are discursive and user generated, have become the default
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: method to designate collective thoughts, ideas, arguments, and experiences that
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: might otherwise stand alone or be quickly subsumed within the
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: fast paced prestige of Twitter. Hashtags makes sense of groups
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: of tweets by creating a searchable shortcut that can link
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: people in ideas together. The origin of hashtag activism sprung
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: up around eleven. It is noted that one of the
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: first usages of the activism could be pointed to the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: hashtag Arab Spring, which started spreading in early eleven in
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: order to bring awareness to the anti government protests in
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: North Africa and in the Middle East. The overall usage
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: of hashtags has created more space for disenfranchised voices to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: be heard. In the book, they talk about the importance
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: of the platform and the importances of hashtags for the
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: marginalized community. They write, members of these marginalized groups, in
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: the tradition of counter publics, use Twitter hashtags to build
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: diverse networks of dissent and shape the cultural and political
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: knowledge fundamental to contemporary identity based social movements. Uh yeah,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: and we wanted to take some time to talk about
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: specific examples of some of this hashtag activism. Some of
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the more influential and viewed hashtags used have been for
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: social justice movements. For feminist movements, we have hashtag me
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: two hashtag guests all Women, hashtag the empty Chair, and
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: hashtag while We Stayed, and more recently hashtag shout your Abortion,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: which has created a larger narrative around different movements within
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: the feminist movement. Uh. These movements are often considered to be,
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: as we said, a part of the feminist Twitter or
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: feminist tiktoko, which typically provides space to feminists to move
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: forward in the movement or the current issues at hand.
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  Speaker 1: Hashtags like es all Women garnered a global level of attention,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: which at one point the hashtag being tweeted about more
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: than one million accounts. Of course, with another hashtag trending
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: at the same time, hashtag not All Men Right, and
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: hashtags like not all Men and Men's Rights have been
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: used it as a response to the different feminist hashtags
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: and they continue to be part of the conversation in
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: that specific subculture. But there were others that were considered
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: ally hashtags, like the empty Chair, which was created by
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: journalist Elon James White, which was created um after the
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Bill Cosby hashtag. The hashtag was created after the publishing
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: of the powerful cover photo of Eleven Women and an
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: Empty Chair in reference to Cosby's assault accusation. The empty
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: chair has been used to quote signify the eleven other
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: women who have a Hughes Kasby of assault but weren't
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: photographed for the magazine, but was also representative of the
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: many women who didn't come forward. The hashtag was eventually
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: used for anonymous accounts of assault and harassment many women
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: experienced but couldn't come forward with. The movement was a
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: monumental one for survivors, as Jackson, Bailey and Wells Right
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: published over the course of several days. Hashtag the Empty
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Chair worked primarily to show the scale of sexual violence,
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: the scale at which survivors are silenced. It did so
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: through two types of discourse, one affirming belief in survivors
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and the value of women's experience regardless of when or
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: if they come forward, and the second calling attention to
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: the often invisible scope of the problem. Right, Um, of course,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: this is a bigger conversation about alic ship and we're
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: gonna kind of get into it a minute and how
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: it may go arrve. But another subset comes from what
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: is typically regarded as black Twitter movement, like hashtag black
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Lives Matter or b l M hash to actually say
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: her name and hashtag I can't breathe trended due to
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: the continued violence against the black community, often at the
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: hands of law enforcement and and much like the feminist hashtags,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: these were typically started by women of color. Like most
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: issues when it comes to social justice and social movements,
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: is women of color, typically Black women, who start these
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: trends and hashtags. It's all about intersectionality and that's what
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: they do. And as the research shows, Black Americans actually
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: make up the majority of Twitter users. And this is
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: of course as of things have changed. Um we need
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: to get the statistics because things are rapidly changing in
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: the world of Twitter. We know this and many have
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: made a mass exodus. So how have these hashtags helped
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: the marginalized communities? As we said before, many of these
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: powerful hashtags and trends begin with black women and oftentimes
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: goes into larger movements outside of the platforms. It allows
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: for community among the different marginalized groups and solidarity which
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: is oftentimes unseen during times of stress. An example of
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: that that I actually didn't know much about until recently
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: is hashtag fast tailed girls. When um, there's conversation of
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: young black women being too loose or too fast um
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: and having a conversation of them being sexualized at an
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: early age and just being sexualized just for existing. And
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it brought a larger commodity among black women to be
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: able to speak out against the misogyn nooir based on this.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: So it was an amazing movement to see and it's
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: so important for us to look at because we don't
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: hear about these conversations and it doesn't take off unless
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: something like a hashtag really happens. There is also a
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: chance of preserving history and seeking visibility and justice for
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: those who may never receive it by courts. We've talked
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: about that before, as well as the author's right in
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: the hashtag activism book quote. A similar commitment to historical
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: memory is seen in hashtag say her Name tweets highlighting
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: historical case is of state violence against black women, such
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: as the nineteen four killing of Eleanor Bumpers by the NYPD,
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: alongside more recent ones as a digital utterance engaging a
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: variety of political demands around visibility, state violence, feminism, and
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: racial justice. Hashtag say her Name plays two primary roles
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: on Twitter. First, it eulogizes women of color killed as
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: a result of misogynoirestic violence, insisting that their lives and
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: stories matter. On Twitter, this came to include assists and
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: trans black and Latin X women and girls killed by
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: police or while police custody, as well as those killed
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: as the result of a larger culture of neglect regarding
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: the safety of black and brown women. Second, it demands
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: visibility of these stories in the name of specific interventions
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: into systemic and intersectional forms of oppression. This visibility is
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: frequently accompanied not only by the invocation of names and stories,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: but also by statistics, political demands, and calls for policy interventions.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Right and oftentimes we can see of the result of
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: what happens UM. One of the prime examples would be
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: hashtag Brianna Taylor. We saw a result of what we
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: went on, including the trials and the arrests and the
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: firing and the corruption that happened years later. And it
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: is because of hashtags like say her name, UM, that
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: has really brought about a change in what we see
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: and what we witnessed and the accountability that sometimes is
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: and sometimes isn't there UM. And I think that's a
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: bigger part of that conversation, as in fact, they talked
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: about in this book that hashtag trade von Martin still
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: exists today, is still used today in order that we
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: still remember what has happened, UM and the tragedy and
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: the injustice that happened because of that incident, and making
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: sure that we have a conversation of the bigger implications.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: And I think it really brought an awareness to these
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: injustices that hadn't been around in the last you know, century,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: until the last decade of some of these movements, so
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I think it's also a bigger conversation. And then and
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: of course again you have to credit black women who
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: are the ones at the forefront of bringing this about.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: No matter what we say about the Black Lives Matter organization,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of ups and downs, and there's a
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: lot of conversations about being a kind of crumbling, but
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: the actual movement in itself has held strong and has
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: meant a lot for those who have no voice and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: those who are often times oppressed, so you can't ignore
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: the impact of it all. Of course, there are some
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: good and bad with this, and we want to talk
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: about that, um as we know. As good great as
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: some of these hashtag activism is, there's also the bad,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: as we talked about not all men wasn't great. Uh.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: There's also talking when we had that conversation with women
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: white women taking on like no, you know, feminism and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: forgetting that there is an intersectionality to it and being
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: called out and then making excuses. There are a lot
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: of conversations about that. And then of course, UM, we
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: have but not so great hashtags that we wish didn't
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: exist UM and oftentimes are detrimental, racist, very very damaging
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: and viole lint even that have existed as well, So
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: you can't have one without the other. However, there has
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: been implementations used in order to redirect and one of
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: that would be the hashtag of flooding. And if you're
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: wondering what hashtag flooding is is the act of hijacking
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: a hashtag on social media platforms to change its meaning UM,
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: which apparently has been around for years. And that's from
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the article was a year activist mastered hashtag flooding from
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Mashable dot com. We talked about the power of fan
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: girls and fans and one of the things that we
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: can ignore is that the BTS flans did some things,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: including a flooding Donald Trump related hashtag uh. In order
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: to at rally with the gay community. UM, they took
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: their own spin on the Proud boy hashtag Proud boys hashtags.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: It was beautiful to see because it was ridiculous and
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: funny at the same time, because all you would see
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: as pictures of bts. I think that's what I really
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: understood how powerful the fan groups really were. Another one
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: would be hashtag my nyp D originally was something that
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: the police department tried to do too look better um
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: and asking for good stories or good interactions. Instead got
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: flooded with accounts of assault or harassment or police brutality.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: It did not go well, and I think there was
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: even one tweet that says, I don't think you thought
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: this through in reply to the NYPD request. But of
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: course that can also turn for a flip. You can
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: also have that in different ways, which we've seen recently.
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: The Elon musk stands are out there and the minute
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: they must have it like on alert. If anyone talks
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: bad about Elon MUCKs, they come out in droves. I
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: was kind of floored by that because I know I
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: don't know many people that treat him as a scud,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: which apparently for some are. Of course, we're not talking
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: about bots, so that's a whole different conversation. And that's
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: the other part to that is that some of this
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: flooding is coming from bots as well. UM. Another example
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: of the flooding that was really great White Lives Matter
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: that happened after in response to Black Lives Matter, UH
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: got really reamed over by BTS fans as well, and
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: you love to see it. You love to see it
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: as well as the Q and non stuff. But again
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: that also came with Pizza Gate, which had its own boom.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So there's a conversation about whether or not this is
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: great or concerning and what what does it look like
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: in the future. Um. And for flooding, who knows it's
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: according to who kind of controls that narrative, who kind
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: of controls that social platform? Um, who has uh the
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: most monetary gain? Of course, you know, Facebook was a
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: part of that problem when when they refused to uh
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: take down this information because they were making too much
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: money off of it. So there's kind of this whole
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: level of conversations. As we kind of wrap it up,
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: we want to talk about the good, the bad, and
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: the uncertainty when it comes to social media with this
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: activism as well hashtag activism. We know that the activism
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: does bring out community and organizations things that you may
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: never know about. One of the first things I saw
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: during like the Black Lives Matter protests during uh Ferguson
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: with Michael Brown being murdered, as well as the death
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: in UM New York, we saw people coming together and
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: one of the best ways that happened was through the
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: hashtag black Lives Matter, organizing and creating protests all around
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: the country and seeing that support and coming together. We
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: saw that with a Women's March really coming together as
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: a country and having in the rally. As in fact,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: we know there's another Women's march coming up Bully January.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: We'll have to go back and look UM that's seeking
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: to have a conversation or at least protests against the
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: Roe v. Wade overturning UM. And those are some amazing,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: amazing things that we want to keep looking at it.
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: And and if we look towards black women, they really
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: are the ones that have used these in the most creative,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: discinct ways and tactics and releasing these hashtags. Of course,
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: we have to look at the bad as we talked
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: about UH. There's a lot more conversations about possibly being
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: watched by police days. Essentially we know around really watches
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: that there was several UM arrest based on people's post
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: in supporting protesters and they were arrested just for that,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: and that is concerning UH. There has been groups where
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: UH specific hashtag was made by police by law enforcement
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: in order to catch people, essentially in order to get
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: names in order to surveil UH. The Standing Rock protests
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: had many many of the police officers trying to find
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: individuals to arrest, to arrass all of those things. But
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: the good news on that was there was many supporters
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: who also checked in and did the hashtags in order
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: to confuse and bombard anybody who would use those types
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: of methods. But it is concerning obviously, obviously the continued harassment.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: We know that if you take a stance and if
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: you link to that again, Alon Musk supporters right now
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: are on on unfull going after anyone and everyone. Again,
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know the butts maybe there are hopefully that
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: they will come after me. I'm not important though, but
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: I've seen it. I've even seen recently in conversations for UH,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: conversations for black women, to support black women. We know
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: the trial for Megan di Stallion just happened. He was
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: found guilty, but to watch what was happening on Twitter,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: to watch the hashtag Megan Installion hashtag believe her, believe
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: black women. They were attacked every single like time there
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: would be one to one where some misogynist, misogyn noir
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: would be coming out full full force, and it was
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: based on these hashtags. It was really really gross and ugly.
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: They continued to harass individuals who would support They continued
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: to harass her to the point that she just regrets.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: She said she regretted doing this. Um. So there's a
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: lot to talk about with the bad and then there's
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: the uncertainty. UM I talked about earlier, the ally ship
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: that has happened with hashtags like the empty chair he
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: for she all of these things, but unfortunately a lot
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: of these hashtags don't have a plan with it, They
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: don't have a call to action with it. They are
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: just more of like I want to tell you my
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: story and I want to tell you I'm not as
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: bad as them, which will happened a lot, which is
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: very counterintuitive to what needs to happen. That's the conversation
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: of like, you're not understanding what hashtag activism was originally
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: intended to be, and you're now overtaking the original intent,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: which was a call to action for those to come together.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, I get what you're trying
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: to do, but good intentions are always great, And that's
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: that conversation that we need to have. Why are you
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: creating this? Are you doing this in support? Or have
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: you taken over something that you shouldn't be taking over?
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: Have you made the story about you? Or are you
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: taking credit? Alissa Milano it's kind of a prime example
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: of that. She took a movement that wasn't a hashtag yet,
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: but it was a movement that Toronto Burke started and
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: I believe two thousand and seven of me too, and
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  Speaker 1: took it onto Twitter and took credit for it until
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  Speaker 1: she got called out. I think she would say she didn't.
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  Speaker 1: She was just trying to push forward a movement, which
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  Speaker 1: was great, but you have to be able to get credit.
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  Speaker 1: And again, this is kind of the erasure that happens
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  Speaker 1: over and over and over again with these movements. Oscar
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  Speaker 1: so White another one of those kind of trying to
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  Speaker 1: change to those narratives, which is really really great, But
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  Speaker 1: then it kind of also falls apart um when nothing
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  Speaker 1: changes and it seems seems to stay the same. So
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot to be said about that. As we're
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  Speaker 1: watching Twitter, it seems to be going, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: I know nothing about Twitter outside of what I read.
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  Speaker 1: It has changed. Obviously, the platform has changed greatly, But
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  Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, because Twitter was as
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  Speaker 1: a forefront essentially of the hashtag movements, it seems uncertain
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  Speaker 1: about what we're going to see with these types of
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  Speaker 1: hashtag activists and what does it look like. TikTok has
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  Speaker 1: created its own brand of hashtags of the use of hashtags,
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  Speaker 1: so it will be interesting to see how it evolves
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  Speaker 1: and then how it whether or not they're going to
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  Speaker 1: include the people who were the big proponents to this,
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  Speaker 1: which is women of color, black women, right. And I
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  Speaker 1: think something like this is so important to talk about because,
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  Speaker 1: you know, even if, as we said in that episode
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  Speaker 1: of Bridget you don't use Twitter, you know, like about
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: these movements we're talking about, you've seen experienced the outcomes
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  Speaker 1: from them. Um, you've heard of them, and they have
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  Speaker 1: become a part of our vocabulary and vernacular, and you
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  Speaker 1: know they can be these really creative fun things, um,
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  Speaker 1: but also it's just these real tools for change that
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  Speaker 1: are It's always good to keep in mind where that
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  Speaker 1: comes from the people who should credit uh and just
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  Speaker 1: how you are using them because you never know. You
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  Speaker 1: should always check your hashtag before you posted that was
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  Speaker 1: associated with something else that you don't want it to
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  Speaker 1: be associated with. Are taking conversation away from something you
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  Speaker 1: shouldn't be taking conversation away from exactly? Yes, yes, yes, yes,
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  Speaker 1: well this was a fun one. This was a fun one,
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  Speaker 1: and we do have a lot more of this technology
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  Speaker 1: stuff coming along, so look out for that. Also. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: just let us know if you've got any thoughts about hashtags,
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  Speaker 1: hashtag history, favorite hashtags that would be wonderful. You can
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  Speaker 1: email us at Stephanie mom Stuff at I hurt mea
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  Speaker 1: dot com. You can find it's on Twitter, mom Stuff
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: podcast or on Instagram at stuff I Never Told You.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks as always to our super producer, Christina Hashtag, Thank
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: you and thanks to you for listening. Stuff one ever
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