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The Man Who Built Doubt: How He Hid Her in Plain Sight · Why Humans Lie

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  Speaker 1: The handbag was seven feet off the ground, wedged into
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  Speaker 1: the fork of a maple tree.
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  Speaker 2: Dry.
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  Speaker 1: Everything within thirty feet of it was sealed in ice.
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  Speaker 1: The bark, the fence wire, the dead grass, all of
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  Speaker 1: it glazed over from the freezing rain that had fallen
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  Speaker 1: two days before. The bag had no ice on it,
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  Speaker 1: not a trace that detail. A dry leather bag and
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  Speaker 1: a frozen corridor along Catail Creek is what stopped Neil
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  Speaker 1: Bishop and his tracks on the morning of December ninth,
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourteen.
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  Speaker 2: He was fifty three years old, a.
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  Speaker 1: Retired mail carrier, out before sunrise to photograph migrating birds.
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  Speaker 1: He almost walked past it, then the wrongness of it registered.
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  Speaker 1: He called the county dispatcher instead of continuing down the trail.
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  Speaker 1: What followed over the next several days would reveal something
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  Speaker 1: far more disturbing than a missing woman. It would reveal
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  Speaker 1: a system, a deliberate, thoughtical architecture. That is the word
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  Speaker 1: investigators would eventually hear from the man who built it,
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  Speaker 1: designed to make the people closest to Holly Sanders doubt
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  Speaker 1: her before they ever thought to look for. There is
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  Speaker 1: something in this case that resists easy framing. The evidence
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  Speaker 1: points not just to confinement, but to a year's long
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  Speaker 1: construction project inside a family's trust. By the time anyone
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  Speaker 1: realized Holly was gone, the groundwork had already been laid
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  Speaker 1: to make sure no one called the police. Holly Sanders
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  Speaker 1: was twenty three years old. She had a certification in
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  Speaker 1: medical billing and a job she had held without interruption
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  Speaker 1: at a medical group in Marin, Indiana since twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 1: She lived at four birch Terrace, a short drive from
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  Speaker 1: her office. She was the kind of person whose routines
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  Speaker 1: you could set a watch by, and the people who
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  Speaker 1: knew her best would say that later after everything, as
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  Speaker 1: a way of explaining why her absence felt before anyone
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  Speaker 1: could name what was wrong. The last confirmed signal from
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  Speaker 1: Holly's cell phone placed her at a house in Pelham, Indiana,
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  Speaker 1: at four fifty in the afternoon on December seventh. She
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  Speaker 1: would not be found for four more days. Holly Sanders
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  Speaker 1: had been attending Tuesday Trivia Night at Fenwick's since the
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  Speaker 1: spring of twenty twelve, not occasionally, not when she felt
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  Speaker 1: like it, every Tuesday, reliably for more than two years.
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  Speaker 1: Her co worker Tasha Morland would later describe her as
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  Speaker 1: someone who kept her word on small things, because she
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  Speaker 1: understood that small things were how people knew.
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  Speaker 2: They could count on you.
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  Speaker 1: She was the first person in her family to earn
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  Speaker 1: a professional certification. Her mother, Peggy Sanders, kept a copy
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  Speaker 1: of the diploma on the refrigerator. Holly had been talking
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  Speaker 1: about expanding her credentials, possibly moving into health care administration.
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  Speaker 1: She had a plan. It was not a grand plan.
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  Speaker 1: It was the kind of careful, incremental plan that a
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  Speaker 1: methodical person builds one step at a time. In February
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  Speaker 1: of twenty fourteen, Holly attended a continuing education seminar in Indianapolis.
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  Speaker 1: That is where she met Carl Hughes. Carl was thirty eight.
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  Speaker 1: He held a valid clinical social worker license and ran
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  Speaker 1: a private practice in Pellham, thirty miles east of Marin.
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  Speaker 1: According to trial testimony, he was attentive from the first
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  Speaker 1: conversation he found Holly's table at the lunch break. He
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  Speaker 1: asked questions and listened to the answers. He was, by
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  Speaker 1: multiple accounts, immediately warm. Within six weeks, they were in
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  Speaker 1: a relationship. Within weeks of that, Carl Hughes called Holly's mother,
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  Speaker 1: Peggy Sanders, received that first call. In March of twenty fourteen,
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  Speaker 1: Carl introduced himself, said he wanted to be respectful of family,
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  Speaker 1: said he cared about Holly and wanted Peggy to know
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  Speaker 1: he was serious. Peggy would later tell investigators she thought
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  Speaker 1: it was one of the most considerate things a man
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  Speaker 1: had ever done. He showed up at Fenwick's one Tuesday
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  Speaker 1: with flowers for Holly in front of her friends. He
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  Speaker 1: made it easy to trust him. Holly missed trivia for
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  Speaker 1: the first time in April. She told Tasha she had
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  Speaker 1: been tired. Tasha did not think much of it. By May,
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  Speaker 1: Karl was calling Peggy with what he framed as concern.
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  Speaker 1: He used clinical language words like cyclothymia, borderline traits, emotional dysregulation.
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  Speaker 1: He said he wanted Peggy to understand what Holly was
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  Speaker 1: going through so the family could support her. He said
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  Speaker 1: he worried that Holly sometimes pushed people away when she
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  Speaker 1: most needed them. He said he was telling Peggy this
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  Speaker 1: in confidence because he trusted her. Peggy had no reason
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  Speaker 1: to doubt a licensed clinician expressing care for her daughter.
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  Speaker 1: In June, Holly moved into Karl's house in Pelham. That
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  Speaker 1: same month, Karl called Terry Oakes, Holly's stepfather. In July,
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  Speaker 1: he called Diane, Holly's older sister. Each call followed the
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  Speaker 1: same pattern, clinical framing, private confidence, a picture of Holly
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  Speaker 1: as someone fragile who needed gentle handling. Diane received the
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  Speaker 1: term emotional dysregulation by phone.
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  Speaker 2: She accepted it.
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  Speaker 1: Then in August, Holly called Diane.
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  Speaker 2: She was crying.
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  Speaker 1: She said she was afraid of Karl. She said she
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  Speaker 1: wanted to leave. Diane called Karl, not Holly. Karl explained
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  Speaker 1: he was calm, measured. He used the same vocabulary he
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  Speaker 1: had been building for months. Diane listened, and then, according
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  Speaker 1: to later testimony, she told herself that Karl probably knew better.
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  Speaker 1: He was the professional. That moment, a frightened woman calling
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  Speaker 1: her sister, and the sister calling the man the woman
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  Speaker 1: was afraid of mine is the clearest illustration of what
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  Speaker 1: investigators and licensed counselor Beverly Schultz would later identify as
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  Speaker 1: the core mechanism of what Carl Hughes had constructed. The
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  Speaker 1: family had not been deceived in a single dramatic moment.
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  Speaker 1: They had been educated, slowly, over nine months, to interpret
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  Speaker 1: Holly's own distress as a symptom of Holly's condition. Her
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  Speaker 1: credibility had been spent before she ever needed it. There
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  Speaker 1: were no clinical records. When investigators later contacted every mental
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  Speaker 1: health provider within sixty miles, they found no evaluation, no referral,
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  Speaker 1: no prescription, no file under Holly Sanders name. The diagnosis
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  Speaker 1: existed only in Karl's phone calls. It was never written
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  Speaker 1: down by any one with the authority to write it.
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  Speaker 1: Holly had no documented mental health history, none, and yet
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  Speaker 1: by the time she disappeared in December, the architecture was complete.
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  Speaker 1: The question now is exactly how it was used. On
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  Speaker 1: the morning of December ninth, two thousand fourteen, Meil Bishop
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  Speaker 1: was doing what he did most winter mornings. He was
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  Speaker 1: fifty three years old, a retired postal worker, and he
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  Speaker 1: walked the Catail Creek corridor, three miles east of Marit
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  Speaker 1: before the light got too flat for birth photography. He
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  Speaker 1: knew every branch along that stretch. He knew what belonged.
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  Speaker 1: The handbag was seven feet up in a maple fork,
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  Speaker 1: leather clean, no ice on it, no frost ring, no
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  Speaker 1: condensation mark where it contacted the bark. Everything within thirty
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  Speaker 1: feet of that tree was glazed over, the grass, the stones,
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  Speaker 1: the low branches, everything except the bag. Bishop called the
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  Speaker 1: county dispatcher within minutes of finding it inside a state
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  Speaker 1: issued identification card bearing the name Holly Sanders, forty three
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  Speaker 1: dollars in cash, a library card, a lip bon, a
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  Speaker 1: folded purchase receipt, nothing missing, nothing scat. A bag set
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  Speaker 1: down by someone who expected to.
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  Speaker 2: Pick it up again.
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  Speaker 1: That detail matters, because a bag thrown in panic looks different,
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  Speaker 1: it lands wrong, the contents shift.
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  Speaker 2: This one was placed.
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  Speaker 1: Alei Sanders had been twenty three years old employed in
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  Speaker 1: medical billing at a group practice in Marin since twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 1: She had a routine so consistent her coworkers could set
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  Speaker 1: a clock by it. Every Tuesday. Since spring of that year,
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  Speaker 1: she had walked into Fenwick's Bar for trivia league. She
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  Speaker 1: had not missed a single week in two and a
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  Speaker 1: half years until April two thousand fourteen, then again in May,
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  Speaker 1: then more frequently through the summer. Each time a brief
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  Speaker 1: message to her friend and.
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  Speaker 2: Co worker Tasha Morland. Something came up.
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  Speaker 1: Karl wasn't feeling well, she'd explain later. She never fully explained.
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  Speaker 1: The last confirmed signal from Holly's phone placed her at
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  Speaker 1: Carl Hughes's house in Pelham at four fifty in the
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  Speaker 1: afternoon on December seventh. By the time Tasha filed a
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  Speaker 1: missing person's report on the night of December ninth, Holly
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  Speaker 1: had been unreachable for more than forty eight hours. Investigators
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  Speaker 1: pulled phone records under an emergency provision on December tenth.
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  Speaker 1: What they found was not a gap, It was a structure.
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  Speaker 1: Carl Hughes had called Peggy Sanders, Holly's mother, at three
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  Speaker 1: fourteen in the afternoon on December seventh. The call lasted
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  Speaker 1: fourteen minutes. Carl told Peggy that Holly was experiencing a
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  Speaker 1: dissociative episode. He used that term specifically. He said Holly
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  Speaker 1: was not in danger, but that calling the police would
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  Speaker 1: destabilize her further. He asked Peggy to wait. Peggy waited.
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  Speaker 1: That call had been made before Holly's phone went dark,
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  Speaker 1: before the missing person's report, before Neil Bishop ever walked
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  Speaker 1: the creek path. Carl had placed the call while Holly
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  Speaker 1: was still reach eachable by signal, and the effect of
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  Speaker 1: the call was to create a thirty six hour window
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  Speaker 1: in which the person most likely to contact authorities chose
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  Speaker 1: not to. But here is the thing about that fourteen
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  Speaker 1: minute call.
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  Speaker 2: It was not improvised.
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  Speaker 1: The language Karl used with Peggy in December was identical
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  Speaker 1: in structure to language he had been using since May. Dissociative, desocutive, dysregulated, cyclothemia,
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  Speaker 1: borderline traits. These terms had been introduced gradually, privately, without documentation,
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  Speaker 1: over nine months of phone calls to Holly's mother, her stepfather,
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  Speaker 1: Terry Oakes, and her sister Diane. Each call built on
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  Speaker 1: the last, Each added one more clinical layer to the
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  Speaker 1: picture of Holly as someone whose own perceptions could not
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  Speaker 1: be trusted. Licensed counselor Beverly Schultz, incorporated into the investigation
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  Speaker 1: by the Sheriff's office on December tenth, identified two anomalies immediately.
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  Speaker 1: The first, no clinical record existed anywhere. Investigators contacted every
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  Speaker 1: mental health provider within sixty miles of both Marin and Pelham.
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  Speaker 1: No evaluation, no referral, no prescription, no file. The diagnosis
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  Speaker 1: Karl had been describing to Holly's family for nine months
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  Speaker 1: had never been written down by any licensed clinician. It
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  Speaker 1: existed only in his voice. The second anomaly was the
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  Speaker 1: phone itself records confirmed that Carl had installed a monitoring
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  Speaker 1: application on Holly's device without her knowledge or consent. He
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  Speaker 1: knew her location, he knew her messages. He knew on
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  Speaker 1: the morning of December seventh, exactly what she had sent
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  Speaker 1: to Tasha from the bathroom at Fenwick's the previous Tuesday night.
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  Speaker 1: The message was fragmented, difficult to parse. Holly had been
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  Speaker 1: unable to write clearly while under surveillance, but she had
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  Speaker 1: written two images sit.
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  Speaker 2: Together and refuse to fit.
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  Speaker 1: A handbag placed carefully in a maple fork during a
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  Speaker 1: dry window before a freezing rain moved through, and a
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  Speaker 1: fourteen minute phone call made while the woman who owned
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  Speaker 1: that bag was still reachable, using terminology that had been
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  Speaker 1: rehearsed across a family for three quarters of a year.
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  Speaker 1: Neither image is random. That is what the evidence says.
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  Speaker 1: The forensic conformation came on December eleventh, after Hawley was found.
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  Speaker 1: Doug Faber owned the storage facility on the County Road
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  Speaker 1: between Pelham and Marin. He noticed a light on inside
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  Speaker 1: a unit rented under a name that matched no active
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  Speaker 1: account in his system. He opened the unit. Holly Sanders
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  Speaker 1: was inside, dehydrated a bruise along her left wrist, a
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  Speaker 1: cut above her left ear bandaged with what appeared to
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  Speaker 1: be material torn from clothing. She had been held there
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  Speaker 1: for approximately three days.
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  Speaker 2: She was alive.
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  Speaker 1: The distance between the storage unit and the maple tree
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  Speaker 1: where the handbag was found is not incidental. The facility
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  Speaker 1: sits on the county road that runs directly between Carl's
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  Speaker 1: house in Pelham and Marin, where Holly lived. Before the move,
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  Speaker 1: the bag had been placed three miles east of Marin.
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  Speaker 1: The unit was rented along the same road between the
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  Speaker 1: two towns. The geography formed a corridor everything had stayed
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  Speaker 1: within it. Carl was arrested at his Pelham address the
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  Speaker 1: following morning. At trial in September twenty fifteen, Beverly Schultz
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  Speaker 1: testified as an expert witness for the prosecution. She named
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  Speaker 1: the mechanism in full love bombing. In the first weeks
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  Speaker 1: of the relationship February and March, isolation refrained as clinical concern,
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  Speaker 1: through spring, triangulation of Holly's family using an undocumented diagnosis,
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  Speaker 1: through summer phone monitoring without consent, and finally a prepase
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  Speaker 1: positioned call to Holly's mother designed to neutralize the one
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  Speaker 1: person most likely to call for help immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Each element had a function.
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  Speaker 1: None of them alone would have sustained a criminal charge. Together,
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  Speaker 1: they had held Holly Sanders in place socially, informationally, emotionally
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  Speaker 1: long enough for Karl to act when he chose to
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  Speaker 1: the jury. Convicted on all three counts, criminal confinement, aggravated assault,
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  Speaker 1: and criminal restraint fourteen years. Two appeals both denied. What
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  Speaker 1: no one knew until twenty nineteen was that Karl had
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  Speaker 1: done this before. In a recorded prison interview conducted five
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  Speaker 1: years after his conviction, Carl Hughes spoke about the case methodically.
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  Speaker 1: He said he had selected Holly because of her predictability.
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  Speaker 1: He described, using his own word, the architecture he had
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  Speaker 1: built within her family. He was not describing a loss
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  Speaker 1: of control. He was describing a system. And then he
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  Speaker 1: said he had done it before. Investigators in Pennock County,
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  Speaker 1: a jurisdiction to the west, had a file from twenty eleven.
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  Speaker 2: A woman named Valerie.
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  Speaker 1: Cohn, thirty one years old at the time, had been
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  Speaker 1: hospitalized after telling medical staff that her boyfriend had locked
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  Speaker 1: her inside their shared residence. Before that report was taken,
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  Speaker 1: her family had already received a phone call from the boyfriend,
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  Speaker 1: a clinical explanation, a picture of a woman in crisis,
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  Speaker 1: not a woman in danger. The case had been closed
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  Speaker 1: as inconclusive after Karl's confession. Detectives from Pennock County reviewed
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  Speaker 1: the confile. The method matched, the sequencing matched, the language
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  Speaker 1: used with the family matched, but there was not enough
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  Speaker 1: to charge. The identification could not be made with legal certainty.
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  Speaker 1: Valerie Khan's case remains unresolved in the record. Walk the
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  Speaker 1: evidence back from that point and a pattern becomes visible
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  Speaker 1: that the jury in twenty fifteen could only partially see.
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  Speaker 1: The architecture Carl described was not built for Holly. It
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  Speaker 1: had been built before refined. The calls to Holly's family
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  Speaker 1: followed a sequence that, in hindsight, had already been tested.
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  Speaker 1: The clinical vocabulary had already been field corrected. Peggy Sanders's
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  Speaker 1: fourteen minute call was not the first.
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  Speaker 2: Time Carl had made that call.
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  Speaker 1: The head fake in this case is not subtle once
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  Speaker 1: you see it. The investigation in December two thousand fourteen
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  Speaker 1: focused reasonably on the handbag. The bag was the anomaly,
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  Speaker 1: The bag was the evidence. The bag led to the
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  Speaker 1: phone records, which led to Beverly Schultz, which led to
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  Speaker 1: the storage unit. The bag cracked the case, but the
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  Speaker 1: bag was also the least important thing.
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  Speaker 2: Carl built. What he built first, and what very.
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  Speaker 1: Nearly worked without any physical trace at all, was the
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  Speaker 1: version of Holly that lived inside her families. Understanding a
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  Speaker 1: version that was fragile, unreliable, someone whose fear, if it surfaced,
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  Speaker 1: would be recognized as a symptom rather than a signal.
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  Speaker 1: He built that over nine months, with phone calls, with
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  Speaker 1: borrowed clinical language, with the authority that came from a
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  Speaker 1: valid professional license. It left no forensic record, it required
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  Speaker 1: no physical space, and on December seventh, it functioned exactly
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  Speaker 1: as designed. The storage unit held Holly for three days,
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  Speaker 1: the diagnosis held her family for nine months. That is
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  Speaker 1: the structure investigators found when they looked past the tree.
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  Speaker 1: Carl Hughes was convicted in September of twenty fifteen on
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  Speaker 1: three counts, criminal confinement, aggravated assault, and criminal restraint. The
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  Speaker 1: jury deliberated.
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  Speaker 2: For four hours.
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  Speaker 1: Two appeals followed, both were denied. He is serving fourteen years.
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  Speaker 1: Holly Sanders was found on December eleventh, fourteen, in a
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  Speaker 1: climate controlled storage unit off the County Road between Pelham
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  Speaker 1: and Marin. She was dehydrated, her left wrist had been struck.
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  Speaker 1: A cut above her left ear had been dressed with
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  Speaker 1: a rudimentary bandage. She had been held for approximately three days.
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  Speaker 1: Doug Faber, who owned the facility, noticed interior light in
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  Speaker 1: a unit rented under a name that matched no active account.
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  Speaker 2: He opened the door. That is how it ended.
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  Speaker 1: Beverly Schultz testified at trial as an expert witness for
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  Speaker 1: the prosecution. She identified two central anomalies that the jury weighed.
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  Speaker 1: The first, no independent clinician within sixty miles held any
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  Speaker 1: record for Holly Sanders, no evaluation, no referral, no.
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  Speaker 2: Prescription, no file.
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  Speaker 1: The diagnosis Karl had delivered to Holly's family, the one
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  Speaker 1: that shaped their responses for nine months, existed only in
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  Speaker 1: his private conversations with them. The second anomaly, the fourteen
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  Speaker 1: minute call to Peggy on December seventh, arrived before Holly
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  Speaker 1: had been reported missing by any one. Karl created the
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  Speaker 1: explanation before the disappearance was visible. Those two facts placed
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  Speaker 1: side by side where the architecture made legible. In two
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  Speaker 1: thy nineteen, Karl gave a recorded interview from prison. He
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  Speaker 1: described having selected Holly for her predictability. He used the
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  Speaker 1: word architecture to describe what he had built inside her family.
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  Speaker 1: He stated that he had done it before. Detectives in
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  Speaker 1: Pennock County reviewed the two thousand eleven case of Valerie Khan,
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  Speaker 1: a thirty one year old woman had been hospitalized after
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  Speaker 1: accusing her boyfriend of confining her. Her family had received
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  Speaker 1: a clinical explanation from that boyfriend before she surfaced. The
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  Speaker 1: case had been closed as inconclusive. After Karl's statement, Pennock
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  Speaker 1: County investigators agreed that the method matched, the sequencing matched,
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  Speaker 1: the clinical language matched, they could not establish his identity
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  Speaker 1: with legal certainty. No charge was filed. Valerie Khan's case
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  Speaker 1: remains unresolved in the record. What the two thousand fifteen
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  Speaker 1: jury could not fully see and what the two thousand
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  Speaker 1: nineteen interview made plain, is that the machinery Karl used
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  Speaker 1: on Holly had already been tested. The calls to the
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  Speaker 1: family followed a rehearsed sequence. The vocabulary had been refined.
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  Speaker 1: The fourteen minute call to Peggy was not an improvisation,
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  Speaker 1: It was a second performance. There is a detail that
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  Speaker 1: sits at the center of this case and does not move.
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  Speaker 1: No matter how many times you return to it. Alie
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  Speaker 1: Sanders sent a text from the bathroom of Fenwick's on
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  Speaker 1: the night of December eighth. She could not write clearly.
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  Speaker 1: The message was fragmented enough that Tasha Morland, who received it,
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  Speaker 1: could not read it as a signal. Karl had installed
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  Speaker 1: monitoring software on holly phone without her consent. He knew
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  Speaker 1: the dimensions of the risk he was managing. The message
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  Speaker 1: was designed to fail, or rather, the conditions around Holly
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  Speaker 1: were designed so that even her clearest attempt at communication
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  Speaker 1: would be absorbed and neutralized before it reached anyone. That
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  Speaker 1: is not confinement in a storage unit. That is something
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  Speaker 1: built earlier and more carefully, and with more damage. Holly
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  Speaker 1: had tried to reach out. In August of twenty fourteen.
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  Speaker 1: She called her sister Diane, crying, saying she was afraid
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  Speaker 1: of Karl.
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  Speaker 2: Diane called Karl, not Holly. She called the man.
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  Speaker 1: Holly said she feared to check whether Holly's fear was
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  Speaker 1: medically valid. Karl had already placed that reflex in Diane's thinking.
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  Speaker 1: The architecture held what this case documents is not a
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  Speaker 1: failure of one family or one moment of inattention It
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  Speaker 1: documents how a system of manufactured credibility can be constructed
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  Speaker 1: around a person until the people closest to her are
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  Speaker 1: oriented toward the architect and away from her. Holly's voice
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  Speaker 1: reached her family multiple times.
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  Speaker 2: It arrived pre enter credit.
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  Speaker 1: The question this case leaves open is a practical one.
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  Speaker 1: Carl's license was valid, his vocabulary was accurate. The diagnosis
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  Speaker 1: he offered was drawn from real clinical terminology. There was
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  Speaker 1: no external mechanism that required him to document it, to
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  Speaker 1: refer Holly to an independent provider, or to flag the
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  Speaker 1: conflict of interest embedded in a partner offering a clinical
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  Speaker 1: framework to a partner's family. The investigation in twenty fourteen
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  Speaker 1: found sixty miles of silence where records should have been.
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  Speaker 1: That gap existed before Carl used it.
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  Speaker 2: It will exist after him.
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  Speaker 1: Holly Sanders was twenty three years old when she was
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  Speaker 1: placed in that storage unit. She is alive. That is
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  Speaker 1: not a small thing. In cases built the way this
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  Speaker 1: one was built, survival depends on an accumulation of variables
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  Speaker 1: that no one controls. A retired mail carrier walking a
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  Speaker 1: creek corridor, a dawn, a storage unit owner who notices
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  Speaker 1: an interior light, a forensic technician who understands how ice
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  Speaker 1: forms on leather. Holly made it through all of them.
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  Speaker 1: The word Karl chose to describe what he built was architecture.
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  Speaker 1: It is the right word. Architecture requires a blueprint, labor
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  Speaker 1: and time. It requires that you understand the load bearing
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  Speaker 1: elements of some one's life and replace them quietly with
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  Speaker 1: your own weight. What it cannot survive in the end
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  Speaker 1: is one person who simply walks into the room and
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  Speaker 1: opens the door. This show is made by Obe Media.