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David Roth: Biblical Citizenship & Christians Impacting Culture For Christ · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Well friends, we've got in studio, one of my favorite local pastors, a brother that's
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a fighter, black robe, regiment guy.
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I love this man of God.
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It is Pastor David Roth.
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And his church is one way Christian fellowship, one way Christian church in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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And brother, welcome to the studio.
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Thank you David.
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Glad to be here.
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So those of you keeping score at home, we're about a half hour from Green Bay and the studios
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here in Appleton, Wisconsin where we record and it's fun to be able to have someone in.
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I don't often get to do this, so it's good to have the interaction here.
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So we're going to talk about platforms, policies, procedures, and some disappointing news
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on the Republicans caving a little bit, compromising maybe cave is not the right word, but on
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some major issues.
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So before we do that, you've got a lot going on at your church.
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You're one of those pastors, that's why I like to have you on, that you're engaged.
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You have salt and light, the salt and light council, you're working on things, getting
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your people equipped at your church politically.
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Yes.
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Right.
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But before we just talk about that, you've got a conference coming up, I was a part of it
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last year, that you do every year, it's called the Men of Iron Conference, and I Jeff pulled
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that up, and it's October 12, you did stream that online for people that are not local,
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correct?
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Correct.
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Okay.
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Well, tell us about your vision for the conference, how long you've been doing it, and
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the speakers that you're going to be having this year.
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Take just take your time.
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Yeah.
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So in our conference, this will be our eighth conference over the last 12 years.
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And it's really an opportunity to have brothers and Christ come together, gather and assemble,
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and worship our Lord through song, through prayer, but also the receiving of His Word.
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And it's really designed to motivate men once a year to really think about their role
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as godly men.
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What is the intent for us as men?
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And how do we live out our faith, obediently, in our families, in the workplace, in the
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community, and the church?
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And so this year, our focus in theme is going the distance, inspired from Romans 5, verses
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3 and 4.
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So we're going to talk about suffering and suffering for the sake of Christ, and how
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we're not only to do that, but we're to rejoice in suffering as well.
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And as the passage says, that suffering produces endurance, endurance produces character,
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character produces hope.
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So we're in a time and environment right now that we all know that men need to be stepping
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up and being willing to suffer for the sake of Christ because there's a lot of darkness
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and evil going around.
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And we are spending way too much time sitting in silence.
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And so we want to motivate the men to basically stand up and speak out for the faith.
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And so we've got three speakers for the conference, like we traditionally do, Vashon Johnson,
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who is the executive director of Adult and Teen Challenge in Northeast Wisconsin.
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There he is.
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There he is.
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So Vashon has an incredible testimony, personal story to share.
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Tell us about that briefly.
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Yeah.
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Vashon is actually a graduate of Adult Teen Challenge himself.
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He was, had a tough childhood raised in a family that was involved in the selling of drugs,
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which led him to also engage in that in selling of drugs, and he was caught.
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And he was facing upwards of seven years of jail time, wow, and clearly by the mercies
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of God.
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The judge said, I'm going to give you a break here, Vashon.
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And I'm going to give you an opportunity to go the Adult and Teen Challenge in Minnesota,
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which he did, and his life was forever changed.
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And all through obviously the grace of our Lord and Savior, and now he's the executive director
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of Northeast Wisconsin's Adult Teen Challenge.
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And it'll be such a treat for the men to hear from Vashon.
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He is doing amazing things and the Lord is working through him clearly to transform men
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who suffer from addictions and alcohol and drug abuse.
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So that's great.
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And then Jonathan Brettner, who you know, will be attending as well on speaking.
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And he's going to speak on perseverance.
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He's got a great story to share there.
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But Jonathan, to me, just in my conversations with him, it's clear he's one of those crazy
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smart guys, right?
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And just knows so much about prophecy and scripture, and he's going to be a joy to hearing
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from him as well.
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He's amazing.
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He wrote with Terry James, the hereafter, or hereafter, and then before that, the triumph
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of the redeemed.
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And he's just got such, I mean, he's been through it.
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He'll share his story and his testimony.
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I'm sure at the conference, but he's been through it and he has persevered.
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And what a great man of God, Jonathan is.
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But this is also at a time, the Men of Iron Conference, that's much needed, when men
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are being criticized for just being men, just being a, maybe a male Christian.
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You know, if you check all the wrong boxes in America, you're in trouble.
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But just being a man and we, our society has, I don't want to say reversed the roles,
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but it's kind of minimized, biblical manhood, right?
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And so that's why these conferences are so important.
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You want to just just wrap up your final thoughts on the conference October 12 and give
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us your thoughts on that?
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Yeah, I mean, it's, it's spiritual warfare, right?
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I mean, yeah, it's the attack of the family and God's design for family.
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Yes.
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And then, obviously, if we can effectively attack the family and man's role within it as
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headship, then we can effectively attack the church as well, and it spills over into
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all institutions created by God.
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So it's important for us to gather, to be motivated, to be inspired, to be Godly men.
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I have the opportunity to speak as well that day.
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I look forward to it.
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It's always so energizing to me, to be able to, to be with men, 100 men or so, and worshiping.
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And there's just something so powerful about hearing 100 men worshiping in song, lifting
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up their voices in song.
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You don't want to hear my voice, luckily it's drowned out by the other 100 men, but please
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join us that day.
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Well, you've also got a great man band at your church.
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We do.
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Those guys do a phenomenal job.
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And last year's conference, they did such a great job with worship.
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By the way, friends, if you're in North East Wisconsin, the website for one way Christian
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Church, Green Bay is owccgb.org, owcc stands for one way Christian Church, gb.org.
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And you can, you know, check that out if you're in the area or if you're looking for a church
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where I know a lot of you, we get emails all the time.
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Where can I find a Bible, believe in Bible preaching church, it's not afraid to talk
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about cultural issues and what's going on outside of church walls and Bible prophecy
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and the whole council of God.
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And I think with the hundreds of churches in North East Wisconsin, I can name five.
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And that's really sad.
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It is.
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David.
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And you're one of them, your church is one of them.
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So you mentioned family.
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So this is going to transition now what we're going to talk about.
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The platforms of the Republican Party and the Democrat Party.
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We're going to get to this after, probably after the break, but Seth Gruber, who I've had
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on the podcast, he's an amazing man of God, white rose resistance.
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He's talking about his concerns of the Republican Party platform moving away from being pro-family.
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He said, quote, in removing the language, recognizing, quote, marriage between one man and one
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woman from the platform, it can no longer be seen as pro-family and is flirting with
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the judgment of God, promised for nations practicing unnatural sexual relations.
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And quote, so the new platform removes the traditional and biblical definition of marriage.
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That is a concern for us.
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So before we go to the easy, the low hanging fruit, hammering the demonic Democrat platform
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and some of the what they stand for, respond to that.
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Just that one thing, moving away from the strong stance on marriage is God ordained, natural
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marriage is one man, one woman.
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And I know they're trying to broaden the whatever big, the big tent, right?
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Your thoughts on that, Pastor David?
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Well, for starters, those are obviously absolutes for us in the Christian faith.
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But should we be surprised that both the Republican Party and the Democrat Party, those are
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both secular organizations, right?
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So this to me, I think really in the church, we should view this as kind of the kick in
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the pants, so to speak.
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And the onus is on the church.
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These issues are on the church.
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And so we need to be speaking out and stop remaining in silence on these spiritual issues
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and these moral issues.
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So in my disappointed in the Republican Party, 100%, 100%.
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But I still believe that it is the duty and responsibility of believers to vote.
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And to vote for candidates who are most closely aligned with our biblical principles.
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I mean, yes, God is in control of all things.
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He's sovereign.
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He doesn't need us to vote.
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Why would we not want to participate in the furthering of his will?
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And I think that can be accomplished in voting.
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In addition to that, I just think historically, Christians not voting, which you know the
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data.
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Got us to where we are today.
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Yeah, right.
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So there's 25 to 30 million Christians who say they're not voting.
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That's scary.
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So, but I think this year, especially, it's cliche that, you know, this is the most important
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election in our times, but I actually think it is.
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I think it truly is this time.
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And part of that is, as Christians, we should be voting for restoration of this nation,
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getting back to the biblical principles that it was founded on.
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And when you look at the founding fathers and you don't read revisionist history, but
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you read true history, the forefathers without questions.
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It was taught out theologians, pastors, to craft the Declaration of Independence, the
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US Constitution, the Bill of Rights, true story.
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And so our vote should be about also trying to restore this nation back to, again, its
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roots and its founding.
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And the fact that it was founded on biblical principles, the fact that it was founded on
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God's word should be a motivator for us to want to bring that back.
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How do we do that?
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By being engaged, by voting, by returning to the public square, which we've retreated
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from.
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So I appreciate Seth's comments, but I think the last thing I'll say about this is, the
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Republicans who are running and the Republican running for president, the good news for
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us is that he has a track record.
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Yes.
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The policies that we can review, that he's put into place already, and we've seen that.
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And I think one could argue that Donald Trump was the most pro-life and pro-Christian president
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that we've had in a while.
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Yes.
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He protected religious freedoms, even persecution in other nations.
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He was standing up for persecuted, and that's unheard of.
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I mean, the Democrats won't touch that.
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Yes.
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So Trump did a lot of good things, and that's why I want to remind people, always don't
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focus on big personalities, Trump and Kamala, or whoever it's going to be, Trump Harris,
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or whatever, policies, platforms, and procedures.
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So we're just digging into the platforms a little bit today.
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We know his policies, very good point.
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Trump has a track record.
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And I was pleased with a huge percentage of things that he accomplished, and that he fought
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for the people when he was in office, including Israel, his stance on Israel, his stance on
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the economy on taxes, on he's against socialism.
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He said, America will never be a globalist nation, and if that didn't put a target on
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his back, which literally almost, so he's standing for a lot of things.
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If you flip that to the Democrats, what was Biden's campaign slowed in the first time?
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Build back better.
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In order to build something back better, you've got dismantle it or destroy it or it's
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got to come down.
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That's their whole plan is destroying a little at a time.
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The way we were found deconstructing America, the Constitution.
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And that's what they've been successful at doing, unfortunately, in part because Christians
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have not been engaged.
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I'm preaching to the choir, David.
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So I love the Salt and Light Council, BraveSalt.com.
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We've had Dran Reese on this podcast, and you guys are implementing some of that at
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your church.
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A lot of churches need to do this if you are a true Bible-believing Christians that
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really want to shine the light of Christ outside of church walls, tell us about what
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you guys are doing.
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Yeah.
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Well, first of all, thanks to you, and also a good friend of mine who recommended that
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I get connected with Liberty Pastors.
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And you went to that conference and tell us.
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I went to a conference, yep.
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And one of their training camps, and this, the amount of resources that they provide is
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so helpful for pastors of churches of any size.
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So I strongly recommend all pastors to consider being involved with Liberty Pastors.
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But one of those resources is the Salt and Light Council.
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And a great organization that just also provides you just a wealth of knowledge of how to implement
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a biblical citizenship ministry within the church.
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Wow.
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And if you think about the church, we have the five staples of ministries, right?
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We've got men's ministry, women's ministry, children's ministry, fellowship and serving
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ministries.
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But very few churches have biblical citizenship as a ministry.
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And this is really about, again, getting the church to re-engage and get back into the
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public square.
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Because at the heart of the issue here is that it's always been God's design for the church,
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his church to be the moral influence of his creation.
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And part of his creation are the three governing institutions that he created in design, right?
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Family government, church government and civil government.
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So over time, as we've lost various battles in spiritual warfare, the church has retreated
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from the public square.
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So Salt and Light Council is about bringing us back to the public square and being the
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salt and the light, the light of the world as Jesus commands us to be, to be that city
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on the hill and really re-engage.
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And so the Salt and Light Council, again, gives you this wealth of information about how
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to do that, how to get biblical citizenship within your church.
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And part of that, again, is how do we have our expression of our faith match our profession
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of our faith?
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Because I think for too long, we've been separating our spiritual lives from our physical
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lives.
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De-compartmentalizing, right?
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Yeah, exactly.
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Exactly.
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To quote Paul Blair.
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Paul Blair.
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It's a great session, right?
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Yeah.
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It's a great session.
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And it's a very profound question.
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You always think it's like a trick question when he asks, you know, what part of your life
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is Jesus not Lord of?
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And you're like, okay.
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You think about that.
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Well, let's see what part of it.
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Wait a minute.
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And that's exactly it.
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And so I view biblical citizenship as a great pathway to the harvest fields.
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I mean, the harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few.
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So getting us back into public square, being the light and sharing the truth of the gospel,
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it all has to point back to Jesus, otherwise this is useless and meaningless.
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But being the light and sharing the truth of the gospel in truth and love, because so
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far the church over the last several decades, we've kind of bifurcated truth and love.
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You know, we'll go out and love people.
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And suddenly we start to feel like, well, isn't kind of concealing the truth love also
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and it's like, no, absolutely not.
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You can't separate the two.
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Exactly.
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So there's a draft of the Democrat platform that they got to hold over at the Washington
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stand and Ben Johnson wrote about this, that the Democrat platform vows to keep fighting
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parents over porn and promotes abortion and transgender, quote, care.
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And we know what that means, surgeries for minors and different things like that, mutilating
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body parts and, you know, there is no male and female, right?
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So David, I'm going to quote this and just let you respond as a pastor.
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They released their draft.
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They vowed to nationalize abortion on demand across all 50 states.
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Our taxpayer funded abortion protect the predatory transgender industry and continue fighting
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against all parents who seek to keep pornography out of their children's school libraries.
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And by that, I mean, if you've watched this program or you've talked about this, what's
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happening in the public schools at younger and younger ages, it's not just in the libraries,
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it's in the textbooks, it's in other places they can get.
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And what it may be 20 years ago, it would have been considered pornographic today.
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It's just, oh, it's sensitive to the LGBTQ, we're not going to censor them.
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So your thoughts on just what I just shared about part of the platform.
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Yeah.
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Well, a one word answer, evil.
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Yes.
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It's evil.
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And they're calling it good.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Which we read about that from Isaiah.
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So it's evil.
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It's demonic.
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And I'll say this, maybe I may be so bold that I don't know how as a believer you could
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vote for that platform, but you just can't reconcile that with scripture.
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And so it's evil.
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And the bully literacy.
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It's exactly it.
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It's exactly it.
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We got to, I mean, that's where it starts.
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We got to get our noses in scripture, read it, study, meditate over it, pray over it,
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so that we know how to obey and live a life of obedience.
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And you know, the Apostle Paul wrote in Ephesians 5-11, you know, take no part in the unfruful
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works of darkness, but he doesn't stop there.
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He goes on to say, but instead do what?
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Expose them.
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Expose them.
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How do you do that without speaking up?
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Exactly.
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Exactly.
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And I think about my role as a pastor in this, in the sense that, look, I've been a pastor
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for seven and a half years, called to ministry, late in life.
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And so I don't have all the answers and I don't pretend to, I make mistakes.
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But I do have a good understanding of the role, the biblical role of a pastor.
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And that is first to labor for the Lord to the point of exhaustion, to oversee the flock,
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which means that you're leading, you're discipling, and you're warning, and you're protecting
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the flock.
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Wow.
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And then thirdly, you're ministering the word, you're teaching the truth of Scripture.
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And this is where I think the church has fallen short and you have professing believers
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voting for that platform is because we're doing a poor job of not warning and protecting
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the flock.
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And what I mean by that is, when you look at the threefold purpose of a pastor, what
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should come from that is two voices from the pulpit.
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The first voice is preach Christ and to do it often, right?
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That's the first voice, and that should be the loudest voice for any pastor.
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But the second voice is this warning and protecting that needs to occur, which means you have
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to name names, you have to expose the unfruitful works of darkness, and you have to name organizations.
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You have to tell the congregation, look, the world economic form, bad, the United Nations,
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bad, right?
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The world health organization, bad, Bill Gates, bad, and you have to name some false teachers
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as well.
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And we should be doing that, you know, Andy Stanley, Steve Ferdick, we need to stand
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up and boldly speak up and warn people against this.
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Because there are people locally and in every church that they will go online and watch
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a video of one of these guys, and it might sound good, they're seeker sensitive, they're
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trying to be entertaining or whatever, but it is either a false gospel, another gospel
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or they're just doing a disservice to the body of Christ, they will have to answer for
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that one day, won't they?
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Absolutely.
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Absolutely.
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And, you know, the warning and protection, again, what I think ends up happening is you
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have so many believers who don't have a face to the enemy that we're battling in our
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spiritual warfare on a daily basis.
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They don't know who the enemy is.
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So how do you fight a battle if you don't know who the enemy is?
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And I think one of the greatest threats to this nation, which is also, I believe, spiritual
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warfare, which doesn't get talked about in the church and it needs to be, you and I
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were briefly talking about this off-air, but it's socialism.
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It's socialism.
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If you don't mind, I'd love to read a quote from Antonio Grampsi, an Italian Marxist.
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He said this, any country grounded in Judea Christian values cannot be overthrown until
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those roots are cut.
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To cut the roots, to change culture, a long march through the institutions is necessary.
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And he goes on to say socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity.
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In the new order, socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration
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of schools, universities, churches, and the media by transforming the consciousness
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of society.
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He wrote that in the 40s, he wrote that in the 40s.
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And if you've ever read the 45 goals of Communism, so telling, and they have been so effective
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over the decades and decades of changing the consciousness of society in this nation.
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Because the church has backed away from the public square and is not talking about it
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and not warning and protecting believers.
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Well, that's why we're here.
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Yes.
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So, hopefully, friends, you can share this podcast.
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And if you're in the Green Bay area, visit Pastor David's Church, men go to that conference
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as a man of iron conference.
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I want to mention some other things that were in this article briefly, we're running out
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of time here.
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The word abortion is mentioned 13 times in the Democrat platform, reproductive rights, 14 more times.
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The term LGBTQ plus 35 times climate change or climate in the context of climate change,
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you know, environmental extremism, the planet over people, occurs over 70 times, that's
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according to the Family Research Council, but you could not find one mention of God.
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So, friends, I know the Republicans have compromised and we're all veering left politically
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in government, not all the representatives, but generally the parties.
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You cannot, you can contrast clearly the two parties when we just mentioned, we scratched
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the surface here, David.
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So in the last two minutes, I'm going to give you an opportunity to just share two Christians
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that are involved with other churches that are possibly or are probably not engaged.
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First of all, lovingly, lovingly maybe approach their pastor, we're running out of time
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even when it comes to the freedom of religious expression.
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Go ahead.
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Well, it all starts with the word of God.
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You know, I think biblical illiteracy is a huge issue in challenge in the church.
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So I encourage everybody, get into the word of God.
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On your own.
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On your own.
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Yeah.
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On your own.
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And I encourage our church and the flock there every week, hey, vet what I'm saying.
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Make sure, go back to what?
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Be a Burian.
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Be a Burian?
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100%.
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100%.
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But if you do that, it's not going to take you long to figure out that we are not being
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obedient as believers and fathers of Jesus Christ by not exposing and opposing darkness.
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And for the sake of our children, for the sake of our children, that's what motivates me.
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I've got three beautiful grandchildren that I love dearly, but I'm fearful of the future
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for them.
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What are we leaving to them?
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Exactly.
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Your neighbor, you will speak up, tell them the truth.
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You will care about the policies that are being enacted, that are being legislated.
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You will care about what's happening at your local public school, because what they're
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doing now is really demonic to kids and the platforms and what they're having.
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David, thank you for being in student-based, great to see you.
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This is great.
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Yeah.
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We're neighbors, basically a Green Bay Depeer, come down here to Appleton, do a podcast,
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but I know it's going to be a great men of iron conference and friends if you're in the
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Green Bay area, one-way Christian church, one-way Christian church, it's owccgb.org.
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So friends, I appreciate you sharing this information.
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We just barely touched on the platform.
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There's so much more to talk about.
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Understand the key issues.
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It starts with an understanding of the word of God.
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The word of God is alive and active.
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Speak it.
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Let the truth defend itself, right?
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While we have the freedoms we still do here in America and biblical citizenship, so important.
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Bless you and as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.