Latest / Simply Bitcoin / $118B GIANT CONFIRMS $400K Bitcoin is COMING!! | EP 1323
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- 0:00Gold just broke out of record highs, confirming what the CEO
- 0:05of $118 billion firm just said about Bitcoin. 400K Bitcoin
- 0:12might be coming quicker than you think.
- 0:14Let's watch the clip before you guys throw your tomatoes.
- 0:18The level of outperformance on every time frame imaginable off
- 0:22of what people still think is just imaginary funny money
- 0:26nonsense. It's so common.
- 0:27Sense it's digital gold right there supply is unlimited,
- 0:30people have a demand for that kind of stuff and it has hit
- 0:34escape velocity like in in the mid teens.
- 0:37So by 2017, like there was a little chance that anything was
- 0:40going to catch up to this right? Millions of people had already
- 0:43adopted it. And then if you just say, OK, it
- 0:45becomes half the value, market value of gold, boom, that's
- 0:48$400,000 in Bitcoin. Like it's not like a crazy, like
- 0:53it's just kind of stuff. Sounds easy enough.
- 0:56It sounds easy when you say it in a clip like that.
- 0:59Now the road up to that will probably be a lot harder than it
- 1:04then we can really just say in a in a short clip.
- 1:06But the crazy things that we're seeing is this was said a little
- 1:11while ago and I think this was last week.
- 1:14And what we're seeing play out right now in the gold and bond
- 1:17markets is from my perspective as a Bitcoiner and I'm kind of
- 1:22becoming, you know, the quote UN quote macro expert here it is.
- 1:25It's very interesting stuff. Now I'm going to go through, you
- 1:28know, a Gold Bond saga right now and I'm sure you're going to
- 1:33tune out because you're like I came to the show about Bitcoin.
- 1:36But this is telling us a lot of information of what is happening
- 1:40right now and kind of the precarious nature that we
- 1:43currently find ourselves in. So let me.
- 1:45Start the saga here and of course Nico's here with us.
- 1:47Of course, I, I, I couldn't be doing this without Nico here we
- 1:50have the first kind of data point and pomp tweeted this this
- 1:54morning or sorry yesterday night and he goes gold is up 70% since
- 1:58the start of 2024. The market is telling you
- 2:00something, are you? Listening, so you can see here
- 2:03the gold futures at 3545, up 83% the past five years.
- 2:09As we saw in the tweet, it's up 70% since 2024.
- 2:13So in the last year it started ripping.
- 2:16Now what is this telling us about the market?
- 2:18Historically, gold is kind of that hedge against inflation,
- 2:23against losing trust in the institutions.
- 2:26But as you heard the Vanek CEO say, we know that right now a
- 2:30lot of people are looking at Bitcoin as digital gold.
- 2:33Now, why is that is because the narrative of Bitcoin as in hedge
- 2:36as a hedge against inflation, as a hedge against the traditional
- 2:39financial system, these are narratives that people can latch
- 2:43onto. This is a narrative that people
- 2:45can understand. This is, you know, a metaphor
- 2:47for what is going on, though. I believe and we believe here
- 2:50and probably you believe in the chat that Bitcoin is much more
- 2:54than digital gold. You guys heard me say this on
- 2:56the show for a while. I don't really like the digital
- 2:59gold meme, but it's something people that it's it's a
- 3:02narrative that people have latched onto.
- 3:03So I'm going to go to the gold chart here.
- 3:05You guys can see currently we are at 3525 breaking all time
- 3:10highs. The last all time high.
- 3:12It just kind of kissed. It was April 25, then we're in
- 3:15June 25 and now we are breaking out.
- 3:18Now. What is this?
- 3:19Telling us about the financial system right now?
- 3:22Well. So it looks like people are
- 3:23losing trust in the system and of course, historically the risk
- 3:27off asset, the risk off investment is buying treasuries.
- 3:32And this is where it starts to get interesting.
- 3:35And this is just, this is just Lena leaning into traditional
- 3:39financial systems here. And there's more data points
- 3:42here, guys. I don't know if you guys have
- 3:44been seeing this. Maybe my feed is just a bunch of
- 3:46macro stuff because this is, I think, where the ticking time
- 3:48bomb is playing out. But this tweet also came up a
- 3:52few weeks ago, last week or yeah, last week.
- 3:55And it goes. Foreign central banks have now
- 3:57officially held more gold than U.S.
- 4:00Treasuries. And this is the first time since
- 4:021996. Let that sink in.
- 4:05If you are, if you think this buying streak is ending, just
- 4:08look at what happened that happened in the 1970s.
- 4:10Again, in the 70s, there was high inflation and something
- 4:13very similar happened or it's happening now that we've seen in
- 4:16the past. And this is likely the beginning
- 4:19of one of the most significant global rebalancing that we've
- 4:22experienced in recent histories, in my view.
- 4:25And I think This is why you can also reel in the stable coin
- 4:28narrative. We've been seeing there is a
- 4:30stable coin push in the US. The world reserve currency
- 4:33status of the dollar is kind of in this precarious place right
- 4:37now. It looks like people are dumping
- 4:39the dollar or dumping treasuries for gold and we're seeing that
- 4:42central banks around the world are doing this exact play.
- 4:45They don't want treasuries, they want gold.
- 4:47Obviously right now they we would believe that they would go
- 4:51into Bitcoin, but first they got to get into something that
- 4:54they're used to and that's what we're seeing play out.
- 4:57If the central banks are holding gold right now, they're dropping
- 4:59treasuries. What is going on and what is
- 5:02this telling you about the system?
- 5:04Again, as Pomp was saying, are you listening to what the market
- 5:07is saying now? I came across this really
- 5:10interesting thread. I'm not going to read the whole
- 5:12thing for you guys, but last night I quote tweeted on my do
- 5:15you have Bitcoin? Because they're still kind of
- 5:18playing the traditional financial plays here.
- 5:20But obviously from our perspective, the only solution
- 5:23here is Bitcoin. So kind of showing you what's
- 5:26going on long term government bonds are surging across the
- 5:29world. So this isn't just AUS problem
- 5:32here. This isn't just AUS Treasury
- 5:35market going the way of losing world reserve currency status
- 5:39for the dollar. This is happening everywhere.
- 5:41So this is a global systemic problem that's happening right
- 5:44now. And all the bond markets right
- 5:46now, all the bond interest yields are showing the same
- 5:50exact thing, which isn't a good scenario because we all know
- 5:54what is potentially on the horizon here.
- 5:57We've seen Trump battle Powell talk about interest rates, talk
- 6:01about lowing interest rates because we need to fix what's
- 6:03going on. It's just not working right now.
- 6:06And this is where this thread kind of, you know, breaks this
- 6:09down. So here we got the first one.
- 6:11I'm only going to read a few of these tweets.
- 6:12If if you guys want this thread, I, I can drop this for you guys
- 6:16in the chat here. But the bond market is in
- 6:18trouble across the world. Again, this is globally long
- 6:21term government bond yields, yields are rising everywhere
- 6:24from the US to Japan to France to the UK finances entering a
- 6:28new, more dangerous era. So I'm not here to, you know,
- 6:32Doom, you guys, I'm not here to like go Fiat Doom.
- 6:36It's over tomorrow. I'm just here to tell you there
- 6:39is something brewing. There is something happening
- 6:42right now that very few people understand.
- 6:45And I I would probably consider myself in that camp.
- 6:47I'm I'm starting to grasp. This because the.
- 6:50Implications of what's going on are are everywhere.
- 6:54It's on every corner of the planet right now.
- 6:55So here's a couple of good tweets that I am going to read
- 6:58because it does kind of explain what's going on.
- 7:00So normally when central banks pause or cut short term rates,
- 7:04long term yields fall. But since 2023, the opposite has
- 7:08happened. Central banks are holding steady
- 7:10or signalling cuts and while long yields have surged to their
- 7:13highest levels in decade. Now, what's driving this, the
- 7:17global forces that are driving this is, of course, soaring
- 7:20deficits and public debt, inflation that refuses to fade,
- 7:24central bank's credibility under fire and shifting investor
- 7:28psychology and the return of bond vigilantes.
- 7:31And because markets are interconnected, this stress
- 7:34spreads worldwide. Now, this is probably the big
- 7:37idea here. What we're seeing, it's not just
- 7:39in the US. This is global.
- 7:41Now, we've seen similar scenarios play out at least in
- 7:44the US or in in certain pockets in Europe and they were able to
- 7:49kind of compartmentalize this. They were able to keep it just
- 7:52for one country. Now we're seeing that this
- 7:55problem is happening everywhere and and again I'm I don't want
- 7:59to fear monger here, but if you aren't holding Bitcoin right
- 8:03now, you probably should be now going further or actually I read
- 8:07this here actually is the one I wonder bottom line, the bond
- 8:10markets across the world is being repriced France, Germany,
- 8:14Japan, the UK, the US are all seeing yield surge in unison.
- 8:17This isn't an anomaly, it's a structural reset. 5% long bonds
- 8:22may just be the new normal in global finance.
- 8:25And that's kind of the kicker here.
- 8:27Usually when you you see 5% bond yields, that's like things are
- 8:31going to blow up. Now we're seeing, hey, this
- 8:34might be the new normal here. This might be where we are
- 8:38living. And if you're looking at what's
- 8:39happening in Japan, maybe we're all just going way of Japan.
- 8:43And again, I don't want to rehash kind of my favorite
- 8:47tinfoil hat conspiracy theory, but This is why Satoshi
- 8:50Nakamoto's pseudonym is Satoshi Nakamoto basically saying.
- 8:54If we don't figure this out. We are going the way of Japan,
- 8:58and that's not a good thing. So here's Anthony Pompolano
- 9:01again, a follower response to that original tweet.
- 9:05And this is where it starts getting a little interesting.
- 9:07Gold has essentially experienced a perfect storm of supportive
- 9:10conditions, institutional demand, inflation concerns,
- 9:12geopolitical risk, and favorable interest rate environments all
- 9:16aligning simultaneously. This combination has pushed gold
- 9:19to historic highs and fundamentally shifted its role
- 9:22from primarily a dollar hedge to a critical reserve asset for
- 9:26uncertain times. This is what's going on, guys.
- 9:29We are seeing that the new reserve asset may not be
- 9:34treasuries as it used to be. It's probably not going to be
- 9:36the dollar. A lot of people are saying it's
- 9:38going to gold, but if you really connect, this is what what the
- 9:41Vanek CEO is saying as from a bitcoiners perspective, we
- 9:44obviously believe that that new reserve asset will become
- 9:48Bitcoin. Now again, this isn't just a one
- 9:52off thing, this is happening. Globally, so the huge.
- 9:55Elephant in the room is 74% of the world's central banks are
- 9:58cutting rates in 2024, the highest share since 2021.
- 10:02In May 2025 alone, global central banks cut rates 15
- 10:06times. So why are yields at 30 plus
- 10:09year highs if we are in the midst of an aggressive global
- 10:12rate cut cycle? Deficit spending is out of
- 10:15control and inflation is back on the rise.
- 10:18Simply put, we now have higher interest rates despite rate
- 10:21cuts. The bond markets do not lie.
- 10:25And what we saw this morning, again, Kobayashi letter has been
- 10:28all over this guys, this, this what we're seeing right now as
- 10:31Kobayashi letter saying this is the definition of broken.
- 10:34In 15 days, the Fed will cut rates for the first time in
- 10:372025. Yet the 30 year treasury yield
- 10:40is now near 5%. We have rising interest rates at
- 10:43markets price in Fed interest rate cuts.
- 10:46Do you realize what's happening? And as Max Keiser said, the bond
- 10:51pocalypse is now. He's been talking about the bond
- 10:53pocalypse for a while. Of course, Bitcoin is the fix
- 10:56for this, but it seems like this is what is going on right now.
- 11:00The bond pocalypse is happening right now.
- 11:02Does this mean all Hell's breaking loose disaster?
- 11:05I don't think so. I think they'll figure out ways
- 11:07to kick this can down the road. But if you are someone on Main
- 11:11Street, if you are someone that's a macro investor just
- 11:13sitting in the S&P 500, sitting in Treasuries, now is the time
- 11:18where you probably need some Bitcoin.
- 11:21And as one of my new favorite accounts, Sitebringer says, this
- 11:24is the death rattle of the Fiat regime.
- 11:26The bond market is screaming that the old game is over.
- 11:29For decades, governments could spend recklessly, central banks
- 11:32could cut rates, and yields would obey.
- 11:35That reflex is broken. This is what is happening.
- 11:38The reflex, the way that they can control the system, the way
- 11:41that they can control currencies, it's not working how
- 11:45it used to work. Now.
- 11:46This is a terrifying prospect considering they usually can
- 11:50control this. Now what they're doing, we're in
- 11:53uncharted waters. And to end this before I pass
- 11:56this over to Nikko, this is not a quote market cycle problem.
- 12:00It's a confidence problem. Once investors no longer believe
- 12:03in the state's promise to control inflation or maintain
- 12:06solvency, bonds stop functioning a safe collateral.
- 12:09That's the hinge point where the Fiat system starts to rot from
- 12:13the inside. Now all of this is painting a
- 12:15picture to basically say what the Vanek CEO said, which is,
- 12:20hey, look, this is escape velocity.
- 12:23What is happening right now is showing you, hey, you need to
- 12:26try something different. And if you aren't ahead of the
- 12:29curve right now, if you're not in Bitcoin, then you're probably
- 12:34going to get wrecked. Now going back to this idea of
- 12:37all Bitcoin really has to do to get to 400 K, actually, I did
- 12:41the math this morning. Gold's ripping right now.
- 12:43So gold's at like a $24 trillion market cap at a $12 trillion
- 12:47market cap, half of the of the gold market cap.
- 12:50That's somewhere around like $571,000 per Bitcoin AT400K,
- 12:57that's about $8 trillion market cap.
- 13:00So if this catches on, if more people start to not trust the
- 13:05system, not trust Treasuries, not trust what Fed Jerome Powell
- 13:09is going to do in September, not believe in the interest rates
- 13:12kind of cooling the economy, cooling the inflation, you know,
- 13:15getting people to kind of feel that they have this under
- 13:19control. There could be a domino, A
- 13:22watershed moment, a waterfall moment getting into Bitcoin.
- 13:25And that is when this price of Bitcoin can move very, very
- 13:29quickly. Now, again, I don't want to fear
- 13:32monger here, but this is what I'm seeing right now.
- 13:34It looks like there is issues worldwide.
- 13:37I don't know if you guys have caught it, but France right now
- 13:40is on the verge of basically defaulting right now.
- 13:42They're talking to the IMF saying, hey, we probably need
- 13:46some money right now. And historically it's Germany
- 13:49and France in the in the EU that are like the safest, you know,
- 13:53kind of jurisdictions here. They're usually the most
- 13:55conservative. And if they're panicking, if
- 13:58they're in trouble, it's not looking good for Europe.
- 14:01And further, everything is connected to the dollar.
- 14:03So if they can't get this under control in September 15th with
- 14:07these rate cuts, I think all bets are off here.
- 14:10I think we can see the Bitcoin price RIP way faster than we
- 14:14even imagined. This slow crawl, this slow climb
- 14:17upwards, it may not be what's going on now.
- 14:21If we do see that if we do see an an incredible price movement
- 14:26in Bitcoin that will fundamentally.
- 14:28Tell you what, the gold. Price is telling you that there
- 14:31is something structurally broken in traditional finance.
- 14:35And as Larry La Parde's been saying on Twitter, when gold
- 14:37rips, that usually means Bitcoins going to lag a little
- 14:40bit and RIP even harder. So we're seeing gold RIP.
- 14:44This is we're, we're seeing a slow motion train crash happen
- 14:47in real time. Gold is ripping because there's
- 14:50something in the bond market that people are terrified about.
- 14:54Now when Bitcoin starts ripping, it might RIP harder than gold.
- 14:58So do we have a timeline on this?
- 15:00No, I think usually the the Bitcoin to gold delays about 100
- 15:04days. So it's kind of aligning
- 15:07perfectly towards what we've been saying Q4 here for Bitcoin.
- 15:12It's probably going to be an incredible, incredible time.
- 15:15September, you know, we, we do have an inverse Kramer playing
- 15:19out here, guys. So there's hope.
- 15:20You know, September historically is a very bad return for
- 15:24Bitcoin. It's usually a bad month for
- 15:25returns. Kramer just came out on Twitter
- 15:28basically saying September's usually weak.
- 15:31So inverse Kramer, left side of the bell curve.
- 15:34September might be a great month for Bitcoin, and then going into
- 15:38Q4, it might even be better. Look, all I'm saying is we have
- 15:43a perfect storm on the horizon here.
- 15:46Yes, maybe I'm reading tea leaves.
- 15:47Yes, maybe I'm connecting some dots that aren't there.
- 15:50But historically, we know when there's problems in the bond
- 15:54markets, people look for other investments.
- 15:57They look for a safe investment. And if the safest investment
- 16:00right now, which is historically Treasuries, isn't working out
- 16:04anymore, that trade is blowing up in real time.
- 16:06People will move to gold 1st and then eventually they're got to
- 16:10end up here at Bitcoin. They're going to end up at
- 16:13Bitcoin. It's hard to look at gold's
- 16:15returns and then see Bitcoin RIP even harder and not chase them.
- 16:19So look, there is trouble in the Treasury markets.
- 16:23Can they figure it out? Possibly as a Bitcoiner, it's
- 16:27like, do we even have to really watch what's going on there?
- 16:29Not really just stack, stack Bitcoin, chill out.
- 16:32Everything will most likely work itself out in Bitcoin land.
- 16:36But again, what we're seeing is, you know, for lack of, of better
- 16:39phrasing, I think the, the, the feds out there are like the
- 16:43Janet Yellen's of the world and all of the fear mongers around
- 16:46Bitcoin where they say essentially, you know, Bitcoin
- 16:49is. How do they?
- 16:50How do? They frame it, Nico.
- 16:51Bitcoin is so intertwined with the traditional financial system
- 16:56that if something goes wrong with us, they you might blow up
- 16:59the whole financial system. It's the opposite.
- 17:02It's the inverse of that. Bitcoin is so intertwined with
- 17:05macroeconomics that if the bond markets blow up, Bitcoin might,
- 17:10it might dump, you know, faster, but it's going to respond
- 17:14faster. Or it could be the opposite.
- 17:16This could be the what you know, that we've been saying forever,
- 17:19the decoupling just in not how everyone thought it was going to
- 17:22be. This isn't the decoupling from
- 17:24alts. This is the decoupling from
- 17:25treasury markets, traditional markets.
- 17:27So look, we are in an interesting time right now and
- 17:31if you don't really care about treasuries, of course the TLDR
- 17:34is bitcoins going to go up. This signal is catching on and
- 17:37it could happen a lot quicker than any of us imagine.
- 17:41It could be what we've been saying for a while.
- 17:42It could be just a slow grind to $1,000,000 which is a just a
- 17:46totally different scenario. But if we do see just some.
- 17:49Rippage here in the Bitcoin price.
- 17:51I don't know what that's really saying about the health of the
- 17:53global financial system right now.
- 17:55So you can't just say, hey, the US is going to default.
- 17:58We're going, you know, we're going to, we're going to go the
- 18:00way of Weimar. We're going into hyperinflation.
- 18:02It's like, no guys, as I've been telling you.
- 18:04This is a. Global thing going on.
- 18:06So this isn't just a 2008, you know, great financial recession
- 18:10in the US. This is like global depression.
- 18:13You know, this might be 1929 all over again on a worse scale than
- 18:17we've ever seen before. Again, I am fear mongering here
- 18:20but this is what I'm seeing. Of course this could be this
- 18:24nothing ever happens moment here, but the best protection is
- 18:27of course protecting yourself in Bitcoin, saving in Bitcoin and
- 18:31all. Of this so it.
- 18:32Could be just a nothing burger for us Bitcoiners, but what the
- 18:35bond markets are telling us right now, Nico, is not a good
- 18:38thing. So two weeks from now in
- 18:40September, I think it's September 14th or September 15th
- 18:43when we get these Fed rate cuts. Whether we get the Fed rate cuts
- 18:46though, the odds are increasing on all of the betting platforms.
- 18:49I think we're at 94% right now. Wow.
- 18:53We're this, this might be, this might be a, you know, a very,
- 18:57very explosive end of the year here.
- 19:00It might have been a very slow start of the year, nine months
- 19:03very slow. The last you know, we might be
- 19:05seeing a very, very, very nice green.
- 19:08Christmas here, Nico so. I've been ranting.
- 19:11I'm I'm sure I lost people because we're talking treasuries
- 19:13and gold and we're like, we're, we're bitcoiners.
- 19:16I thought we weren't supposed to care about this stuff.
- 19:18I get it. I totally get it.
- 19:19I know there's other concerns Bitcoin right now, but what I'm
- 19:23seeing is there is a ticking time bomb playing out in
- 19:26traditional markets. And let's just hope you know,
- 19:29Bitcoin is the is the real winner here.
- 19:31So Nico, I, I went, I went far enough and I know you're not a
- 19:33macro guy, but am I making a a good case where an average
- 19:39person can understand what is going on?
- 19:42Yeah, absolutely. I mean, just put the put the
- 19:45pieces together, ladies and gentlemen, when we try to do
- 19:47that for you guys, like you guys have to understand that just
- 19:50bonds in general is, is a way for for governments to raise
- 19:53money. But I think the the big
- 19:55question, the big kahuna and what that clip of that podcast
- 19:59that you played referenced is listen like what happens when
- 20:05Bitcoin starts outperforming bonds?
- 20:07Sailor is preparing for this exact moment, right?
- 20:10Like, Sailor has created specific products, specific
- 20:15yield products that could substitute for traditional fixed
- 20:19income. But the yield's much higher,
- 20:23right? I know that bitcoin's track
- 20:25record is not, it's only 16 years old, right?
- 20:29Bonds have been around for a long time.
- 20:32Gold has been around for thousands of years.
- 20:35Bitcoin has a 16 year history. So it, it's, it's relatively new
- 20:38on the scene. But sailors think in 1020 years
- 20:43from now down the road, that's his whole theory.
- 20:45He's thinking 10 years down the road, if Bitcoin keeps doing its
- 20:50thing, then it's gonna prove. And this is the, this is the
- 20:55turning point. I think this is the, the, the
- 20:58singularity, so to speak. I think this is what Opti was
- 21:00referring to. What happens all of a sudden if
- 21:03Bitcoin proves that it is a superior place to park your
- 21:08money than bonds? Even if you don't want to buy
- 21:11spot Bitcoin, if you're just buying Bitcoin through one of
- 21:14the many MicroStrategy products that he specifically developed
- 21:20to attract bond investors that are looking for that safe and
- 21:25secure traditional fixed income yield.
- 21:29What happens if even 10 percent, 20% start looking at Bitcoin and
- 21:34they start looking at the at the equivalents of it?
- 21:37And that's why that gentleman was referencing gold.
- 21:40That's why he was saying like, look like it's gonna catch up to
- 21:43gold. And what's really interesting is
- 21:45that when that podcast was recorded, he was right.
- 21:48If Bitcoin caught up to gold, it would be like $400,000 per coin.
- 21:52If Bitcoin caught up to the gold market cap today, gold's
- 21:55currently sitting at 22 trillion, and that's a 10X for
- 21:59Bitcoin. That's a 10 bagger.
- 22:01A10 bagger from where we are right now is $1.1 million.
- 22:06That's a very, very different conversation.
- 22:08Imagine if you were sitting at $1.1 million Bitcoin.
- 22:11Wow, this channel would be a lot bigger, wouldn't it?
- 22:13Opti? I don't know.
- 22:15I don't know at what point what are we talking about?
- 22:17We we'd be wearing suits at that point, right?
- 22:20But yeah, I mean, like, look, like traditionally bonds have
- 22:24always been seen as safe yields, assets for pensions, corporate
- 22:28treasuries and sovereign wealth funds.
- 22:31But what happens if Bitcoin consistently outpaces them?
- 22:35Capital will naturally rotate away from low yield debt into
- 22:40scarce appreciating asset. This undermines completely the
- 22:45demand for government bonds and raises borrowing costs for
- 22:49States and accelerates the shift towards Bitcoin as a story of
- 22:53value and most importantly A collateral base.
- 22:57Essentially it flips the hierarchy instead of Bitcoin
- 22:59being the risk on bet bonds themselves look riskier compared
- 23:04to a hard cap digital asset, the so-called pristine collateral,
- 23:10right? So Bitcoin not only fixes the
- 23:13money problem, Bitcoin, this is what Sailor is proving right now
- 23:18with all the products that he's developing.
- 23:20He's potentially proving that Bitcoin fixes the the fixed
- 23:26income problem. He he's basically saying like,
- 23:28look guys, I'll give you 8% or 10%.
- 23:32I think it's 10%'s the latest number in fixed income, but you
- 23:35got to give me the upside. So he's taking the risk.
- 23:38He's giving you 10%. You know, in his mind he's
- 23:41thinking that Bitcoin has a 40 to 30% CAGAR in the next 10
- 23:45years. So he's MicroStrategy is making
- 23:48a ton of money off of that. The fixed income guys are super
- 23:52happy because they're not getting nearly close to 10% from
- 23:55traditional bonds. Everyone's happy in that
- 23:58situation, right, Because Bitcoin is the superior asset.
- 24:02And you know, the, The thing is, and that this is where I think
- 24:06it, it could be a little bit of a, of a interesting dilemma
- 24:11that's going to play out is remember, bonds are, or
- 24:15historically have been a way that governments have used to
- 24:22raise money that that's, that's always been the case.
- 24:25And you know, there's, there's bonds by many countries, right?
- 24:29And you can actually buy bonds from countries that look very
- 24:34unstable, but they're offering very high yields and you could
- 24:37make a great return 'cause you're willing to take on the
- 24:39risk. Traditionally, US bonds have
- 24:43been looked at as a safe haven, right?
- 24:45They've been looked at as like nothing could be the security of
- 24:49AUS Treasury bond. That's always traditionally how
- 24:53it's always been. And now Opti you're, you're
- 24:56mentioning France. I didn't even know France was in
- 24:58trouble. But what you were saying about
- 25:00France is, France is? I don't.
- 25:03Know what it is on the on on the top 10 but it it is one of
- 25:06Europe's largest economies right.
- 25:09So if people are having insecurity about the future of
- 25:15bonds in France, and by the way, the same thing is happening in
- 25:18the United States, by the way, like, you know, like just
- 25:24connect with Lynn Alden is saying connect with Larry
- 25:27Leparte is saying connect VM to connect.
- 25:31The unintended consequences of all of that, the symptoms
- 25:35specifically for the younger generations and the fact that
- 25:38you can't afford anything. The rising wealth inequality
- 25:40gap, like something is breaking within the system.
- 25:45Now, this is where Bitcoin serves as a lifeboat.
- 25:48This is where you can jump on Bitcoin.
- 25:50You could put a percentage. There we go.
- 25:53The breaking news. This came out August 26th for
- 25:57the audio listeners. France may need IMF bailout,
- 26:01Warren's finance minister. France borrowing costs spike as
- 26:04country faces second collapse of its government within a year.
- 26:09Yeah, I mean, again, like I, I, I think that this phenomenon
- 26:14though is happening worldwide. Like, I think that this is not
- 26:18just something that's happening in France.
- 26:19I think that if, if your country has a money printer, it is
- 26:24spending beyond its means. And it's also getting people
- 26:30used to this giant safety net, this, this idea that, you know,
- 26:38you're born onto this planet and the government owes you
- 26:42something, right? Which, you know, again, I think
- 26:46it, I think, you know, you could talk about Social Security, at
- 26:49least here in the United States with FDR. You can make a, a good
- 26:52argument that that was made with good intention, right?
- 26:55It was made with good intention so that, you know, when you get
- 26:58older, you don't have to work and like you have a guaranteed
- 27:01income and all that stuff. The thing is that system was not
- 27:06designed for today, right? This was a implemented like, you
- 27:12know, 30-40 or like in the 30s, bro, 30, thirty 30s and 40's the
- 27:18the population of the country was half the the life expectancy
- 27:22of people was significantly lower than 65, right?
- 27:28And now the life expectancy of people, I think it's like 78,
- 27:32right? And if you're if if you know
- 27:34you're doing well for yourself, you live into your 80s.
- 27:36I mean, the president of the United States is dudes in his
- 27:39President Trump's in his, you know, he's about to hit his
- 27:42eighty, his eighty. I think he's 79 or something,
- 27:44right? So like, again, governments have
- 27:48been spending beyond their means.
- 27:51And the way that they've been doing that is with money
- 27:53printing, the way that they've been doing that is with bonds.
- 27:57Bitcoin comes along. And again, it provides a better
- 28:03instrument or a, a better, you know, way to get that fixed
- 28:06income. It provide a get it, it, it's
- 28:09better money. It's pristine collateral.
- 28:14It's not my fault that governments have been spending
- 28:17beyond their means. It's not my fault that they've
- 28:20been using the money printer because the way you have to
- 28:23frame it in your head is the reason that money the the
- 28:28government controls money is not because it was given to them.
- 28:33It was because we didn't have an alternative system to have and
- 28:39it's still corrupted. But what, what would be the
- 28:41alternative? Private money.
- 28:43OK, so if you have private money, then you're going to have
- 28:46private citizens manipulating the money for their own gain.
- 28:50At least with the government, there's like the theoretical,
- 28:53OK, this is a democracy. You can kind of vote on it, but
- 28:56you can't really vote on it because the Fed governors are
- 28:59appointed. They're not elected.
- 29:00They have crazy very long terms. You know, like what has been
- 29:07happening for the last year or so.
- 29:08The Fed has been acting as if they're unaccountable to no one.
- 29:13So that is the Fiat system, right?
- 29:16But at least that was the best we can came up with.
- 29:19We, we can cut up, we, we came up with until 2009, 2009 proved
- 29:26that money can exist not only without the state, but it also
- 29:31proved that money can exist. No, that money could be better
- 29:35without the state. So it's, it proves 2 things.
- 29:40And now here's the thing, there's a tremendous amount of
- 29:43financing that the state does the lot, a lot of funding that
- 29:50doesn't come from revenue, it comes from money printing.
- 29:55And again, this isn't, this isn't free.
- 29:58It, it, it's a tax on the, every, the everyday person.
- 30:03That's what money printing is. And that's the problem that
- 30:06Bitcoin solves, right? So yes, it solves the bond thing
- 30:11with Opti's talking about the symptoms of the system breaking.
- 30:14The system's gonna break. Every Fiat currency has
- 30:17historically gone to zero ever since like the beginning of Fiat
- 30:20currencies, even the Roman Empire, their, their currency
- 30:23was debased until like there was like a a in the beginning, it
- 30:28like it had like 85% silver. And then towards the end of the
- 30:32collapse of the Roman Empire, it was like .0000003% like they,
- 30:38what do they do? They did the, they did the exact
- 30:41same thing. They debase the currency.
- 30:43And again, I'm not pointing fingers.
- 30:47If you had the God like power of the money printer, my question
- 30:50to you is, wouldn't you do the same thing?
- 30:53Because in your heart, you think you're doing this.
- 30:55You're, you think you're doing things for good, right?
- 30:58You think you're doing things for good.
- 30:59It's like you're, oh, you're promising people health care.
- 31:02You're promising people schooling like that sounds
- 31:05fantastic. That sounds amazing.
- 31:08But here's the thing, it isn't free.
- 31:11You're paying for it. This is why Argentina elected a
- 31:15libertarian president that is a big fan of the Austrian School
- 31:20of Economics. This is why they elected him
- 31:23because unlike the United States, the United States is the
- 31:27global reserve currency. So we have a very special
- 31:31privilege. We can print to high heaven
- 31:34because everyone in the world is holding dollars.
- 31:38So the United States in that unique position where it could
- 31:40just go crazy with the money printer.
- 31:43There are still consequences for that at home, for sure.
- 31:47But if we didn't have that privilege of being the world
- 31:50reserve currency and we did what we did during the pandemic and
- 31:54they printed all that money, we would be Argentina tomorrow.
- 31:58In terms of inflation, we would be Argentina tomorrow.
- 32:01Because essentially all they're doing is just printing paper.
- 32:05It's paper. Think about it, think about it.
- 32:08The thing that you work so hard for, you put your energy, your
- 32:12time, your work ethic, like you're, you're so focused on
- 32:17acquiring this paper, some bureaucratic elite have the
- 32:23ability to create that paper out of nothing.
- 32:27Now contrast that with Bitcoin, right?
- 32:30Bitcoin ain't free to make. You have to invest in mining
- 32:34infrastructure. Mining machines ain't cheap.
- 32:36They're very hot. They use a lot of electricity.
- 32:39There's a cost of production to making more Bitcoin.
- 32:43That's number one. Number two, there's a cap
- 32:46supply. So not only does it cost you
- 32:48money to make more Bitcoin, you can only have 21 million
- 32:51Bitcoin. That's why if you live on a
- 32:55Bitcoin standard, your life, your purchasing power gets it
- 33:01increases over time. And that's when you when you
- 33:04live on a Fiat standard, your purchasing power decreases over
- 33:08time. That's the simple reason.
- 33:10And I think what Opti is pointing out when he's talking
- 33:13about France, the United Kingdom, also the United States,
- 33:15I heard is having problems selling bonds as well, right?
- 33:18I'm sure I saw that headline somewhere.
- 33:22These are symptoms of a broken of a broken symptom of a broken
- 33:28of a broken system. And the best thing that you can
- 33:33do for you and your family is finding a find an effing chair
- 33:37before the music stops, right? And that chair is Bitcoin in
- 33:42self custody. Find a chair before the music
- 33:44stops. Because when the music does
- 33:46stop, it's not going to be pretty.
- 33:50It's not going to be pretty. It's not going to be a pretty
- 33:52sight. It's not going to be this like,
- 33:54oh, everything's going to be fine.
- 33:56Like, no, no, no, it's going to suck, including here in the US.
- 33:59It's going to suck everywhere when the system inevitably
- 34:03breaks and your escape is Bitcoin.
- 34:06So Opti is just pointing out to another part of the system where
- 34:10Bitcoin is superior. Bitcoin fixes this, but also it
- 34:16it's very like, that's crazy. I got this simultaneously like,
- 34:20you know, the fact that like again, you're not talking about
- 34:24a minor economy here, you're talking about one of the largest
- 34:28economies in the world, one of the largest economies in Europe
- 34:32and they're having trouble getting rid of these things.
- 34:34So that tells, free market signals are telling you that,
- 34:38hey, we don't find value in this, right?
- 34:41So is this gonna all happen, transpire in the next four
- 34:45months? We can't tell you that.
- 34:47We have no idea. But what we can tell you with a
- 34:50lot of confidence and a lot of security is that I think the
- 34:54music is gonna stop in the next 1020 years.
- 34:59I think inevitably they're not gonna be able to kick the can
- 35:02down the road. And I think inevitably, you're
- 35:05gonna hope you have a seat when the music stops.
- 35:09Now. You're going to hope that you
- 35:10have that Bitcoin in self custody so that when that music
- 35:14stops your purchasing power, your work, your time, your
- 35:18energy is all protected, because that's what it boils down to
- 35:21anyways, Opti me and you just ripped on this subject.
- 35:24It seems like people have been liking it guys.
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- 35:49We have a loaded. So for you guys, seems like you
- 35:51guys like the intro section, Opti, seems like we have to do
- 35:54more of this macro talk. People like Macro, apparently.
- 35:57It seems like people. I thought they would be bored.
- 35:59I thought they'd be bored but apparently people like it.
- 36:02I have an article talking about Bitcoin getting boring during
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- 36:07And then I have a clip of Brian Armstrong talking about
- 36:11$1,000,000 Bitcoin by 2030. Ladies and gentlemen, that's
- 36:14like 4 years away. That's a 10 bagger, less than
- 36:17A10 bagger, like a nine and something bagger in four years.
- 36:20What type of assets going to give you that type of return
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- 39:29At the time of recording the Bitcoin price is $110,720.
- 39:34Block height 912,907 sats per dollar 903 SAT's for dollar
- 39:39market cap 2.21 trillion Bitcoin versus Gold market cap 8.83%
- 39:45Decline from all time high -11% realized monetary inflation
- 39:50.84%. In the grand scheme of things,
- 39:52we are just getting the party started.
- 39:55Anyways, here is the CEO, whether you like it or not, of
- 39:59the world's largest Bitcoin and crypto exchange Fortune 500
- 40:04company and custodian of not only Microstrategies Bitcoin,
- 40:09but 11 out of the 12 Bitcoin ETFs, Brian Armstrong.
- 40:14And now even Brian Armstrong is dropping effing price
- 40:18predictions. I, I, I think we're just that
- 40:21bored, bro. I think it's been that boring.
- 40:23Like I, I tweeted it out and the tweet blew the F up.
- 40:27Any time a tweet blows up, that means that it's on everyone's
- 40:31mind. Because if a tweet doesn't blow
- 40:33up, that means that not everyone's thinking that.
- 40:35But when a tweet blows up, I, I forgot how much likes it ended
- 40:38up with. Let me check right now.
- 40:41Got 779 likes. And I said bitcoins price today
- 40:45is exactly at where it was the day of President Trump's
- 40:48inauguration. 109 K that was yesterday.
- 40:50We're doing better today. We're at 111 K.
- 40:53But bro, it's been nine months. You can make a baby in nine
- 40:57months. It's been nine months, OK.
- 41:00And the price of Bitcoin has gone from 109 K to 111 K.
- 41:04That's a 2K entry increase. So I like I, I, I, I'm sorry,
- 41:10I'm, I'm just, I'm, I don't know.
- 41:14Anyway, anyways, So what is happening?
- 41:17We have Michael Saylor throwing price predictions.
- 41:19Now you have the CEO of Coinbase throwing price prediction.
- 41:21I'm gonna play the video and then Opti and I are going to
- 41:23talk about it. A rough idea I have in my head
- 41:25is like, we'll see $1,000,000 Bitcoin by 20-30.
- 41:27And there's high error bars around these things.
- 41:29But, you know, just to give you a couple of data points, right?
- 41:32It's like we're starting to see regulatory clarity emerge in the
- 41:35United States, which I think is a bellwether for the rest of the
- 41:38G20. You have the Genius Act passed
- 41:40now for stable coins, but this market structure bill is being
- 41:42debated in the Senate. Fingers crossed something could
- 41:45happen by the end of this year. That would be a huge milestone.
- 41:48the United States government now has a strategic Bitcoin reserve.
- 41:51So that is, if you'd asked me five years ago, that would have
- 41:53been kind of like vision board and someone would have said
- 41:55you're crazy, like the United States government's not going to
- 41:57officially hold Bitcoin. But if you know, if they do
- 42:00that, which there's not an executive order to do, I think a
- 42:03bunch of other countries are going to do that.
- 42:05We so I mean $1,000,000 Bitcoin by 20-30 bro, that's I know 2025
- 42:16has felt like we've just been kind of going sideways.
- 42:19Well, we didn't just go sideways.
- 42:21It wasn't totally boring. Someone in the chat paper
- 42:25Bitcoin summers over No bro big listen.
- 42:29Paper Bitcoin summers forever. I'm going to tell you guys right
- 42:32now bait paper Bitcoin summer is is endless.
- 42:36It just keeps going the price of Bitcoin.
- 42:40Listen ladies and gentlemen, you have to understand the Ponzi's
- 42:42over OK, it's wrap it up. That's why all these that's why
- 42:46all these whales are selling. No, but All in all seriousness,
- 42:54it wasn't just 109 K to to, you know, 100 and 110.
- 43:00I'm I'm using, I'm giving those exact I'm nitpicking dates for
- 43:04hyper, hyper hyperbolic statements.
- 43:08We did go down to 76 and then I think the all time high Opti was
- 43:12what it was like 125 or something, right?
- 43:14Sounds like that 1:24-ish. So, yeah, I mean, there was
- 43:18definitely volatility in between, but even from 109 to
- 43:21125, like that's not that impressive for the year after
- 43:25the halving. Historically, the year after the
- 43:26halving has been nuts. So are we going to have an
- 43:29explosive Q4 like we always have had?
- 43:32I think that would be fantastic. I think that if we don't have an
- 43:35explosive Q4, we're going to be in uncharted territory.
- 43:39And then if we don't have an explosive Q4I, I just don't see
- 43:43Bitcoin correcting 5060%. I just don't see that happening.
- 43:47I don't think that's going to happen.
- 43:50For corrections to happen of that size, it's always driven by
- 43:54some type of mania. And, and I've, I've, I, I always
- 43:58remember the feeling, whether it was in 2021 or in 2017, you
- 44:05always have euphoria. You always have that euphoria.
- 44:09Now we've been chasing the euphoria of the 2017 dragon, but
- 44:122021, we still have that euphoria.
- 44:15We have not had a dose of euphoria at all this year.
- 44:20We've we're in the disbelief Phase, I would say, but we
- 44:24haven't had that thrill. We haven't had that euphoria.
- 44:28It has not happened, right. So if you don't have that kind
- 44:33of blow up structure, then do I see the market dropping?
- 44:39I mean, it could anything's possible, but do I see it
- 44:42happening? I just don't see it happening.
- 44:44I just don't see it happening because this is, we've been
- 44:46building a base for nine months. This is what you guys have to.
- 44:50The way that you guys should see it is this hasn't been this
- 44:53crazy run up to from 16K to 110K.
- 44:59No, we've literally been like stepping up a ladder right now.
- 45:03Let's see if we start to get into the crazy zone right now.
- 45:07That's I think what everyone is paying attention to.
- 45:10We're two days into September. Let's see if October happens the
- 45:14way it happens. Opti's already cursed September,
- 45:17God damn him. But, you know, I think it was
- 45:20Kramer that started for some reason.
- 45:22Opti's following Kramer now, but, you know, inverse Kramer.
- 45:28Yeah, but you still can't say it 'cause then you curse it.
- 45:30You curse it bro, you curse it. I don't got that kind of pull.
- 45:34Nico, come on. Yeah.
- 45:36You do bro. You do though.
- 45:39We have the inverse inverse opti that if I say we're going up, it
- 45:43goes down. If I say it goes down, it goes
- 45:47down further. Anyways, if you guys are
- 45:52enjoying the show so far, smash that like button.
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- 46:07algos. Opti, your thoughts, man, Now
- 46:10the CEO of Coinbase is dropping effing price predictions.
- 46:14This is where we are in the movie.
- 46:15I don't know, this doesn't make me feel good.
- 46:17Actually, Nico, it's not going to happen.
- 46:22I'm not the biggest fan of Coinbase, you know, like they do
- 46:25have the biggest brand, you know, awareness, but this this
- 46:29generally reminds me of just like Coinbase's classic orange
- 46:33washing. Now they see, you know, all the
- 46:36things he he named are things that I also do agree.
- 46:39And I and I don't know if you guys saw, but we're getting more
- 46:42information that there are other countries in the Middle East
- 46:46acquiring Bitcoin here. So like we're seeing, you know,
- 46:49new regulations in the US, we're seeing ETFs get built out,
- 46:53sovereign wealth fund nation states all embracing Bitcoin.
- 46:57We're seeing the corporate treasury scoop up a lot of
- 46:59Bitcoin. Obviously, I do believe, you
- 47:02know, a million, a million in five years is, is not that
- 47:05crazy. If you look at historically the
- 47:07price movement or no, it's still 25, It's 4-5, what, 4 and 3 or
- 47:144, whatever, whatever, let's go 5.
- 47:17We're still in 2025, you say? Five.
- 47:19It's depressing. We'll say five.
- 47:21Well, but like look at the returns that we've seen in the
- 47:23last five years. Like I think it's gone up what I
- 47:27think it's like a six or 10X. So like, yeah, I know the law of
- 47:30big numbers. That's whatever.
- 47:32I know, right? Everyone's saying a lot of big
- 47:37numbers, but like AA10X in five years it's, it's totally
- 47:40attainable like. It's it's probably.
- 47:42An easier climb for that than any of the the other moves like
- 47:46people saying, oh it's going to 58K or whatever like I I think
- 47:50that is a lot harder to do than it is for Bitcoin to go to a
- 47:53million in five years. Now what I think might be
- 47:56happening is, is kind of a certain semblance of orange
- 47:59washing here, like all the things that Brian Armstrong
- 48:03named as bullish indicators for for Bitcoin in general, I think
- 48:08are bearish indicators for his business model.
- 48:11So I think that's why he's starting to kind of lean into
- 48:14the incredible price predictions because he he understands like
- 48:18shit, if this is playing out that my business model is
- 48:20probably not what I thought it was.
- 48:23It's not going they're going to have to pivot like you're not
- 48:25going to well, that's there's that opens up a whole another
- 48:28can. Like if we are in an eternal
- 48:31September moment where a whole, you know, we're just constantly
- 48:35seeing new people influx into the, into the Bitcoin space,
- 48:39then we might be seeing the same, you know, stupidity play
- 48:43out over and over and over again.
- 48:44And as new capital comes in, they get side swiped into the
- 48:48shit coins and those things pump.
- 48:50And then, you know, Bitcoin kind of it does just like a washing
- 48:54machine feature where you come into Bitcoin, you get you get
- 48:57hooked and then you go to the side and you go in the alt
- 49:00coins. And that kind of dampens the
- 49:03Bitcoin bull markets. And we just keep doing this
- 49:05cycle over and over and over again.
- 49:07Forever and all coins are like got crushed this year too for.
- 49:14Agree. I, I think that I think we are
- 49:16seeing that decoupling, but I'm just saying, if more people come
- 49:19in and there is a hope that Bitcoin kind of education and
- 49:23content out there, Bitcoin only content is good enough that
- 49:26people will sideswipe all that and that just completely dries
- 49:29up. But I'm not so sure about that.
- 49:32But anyways, what, what we are seeing is I think we, we are
- 49:37going to go into these incredible price moves.
- 49:40But I look, I've been telling you guys the last couple of
- 49:42days, I'm, I'm just like counter trading my emotions here.
- 49:46I'm trying to be logical here. And the more I think it's going
- 49:48to dump like in my, in my gut, like man, it really feels like
- 49:51it's going to dump, the more I know it's going to start
- 49:53pumping. So I, I think we're going to be
- 49:56seeing that. And really I'm I'm just as tired
- 49:59as everyone else of $1,000,000 prediction.
- 50:01So I'm like, can we just get to 200 K first?
- 50:02Like can we just get to the next level, man?
- 50:05Like what are we doing here? This is boring.
- 50:07Yeah, let's get to 201st. Right, let's.
- 50:10Yeah, let's get to 200 K and then we'll and then we'll go
- 50:12super hard again on let's get to.
- 50:14Let's get to 200 K before we're 80, dude.
- 50:18For real, dude. All right, everybody, it's going
- 50:22to be an incredible show. Strap in, smash that like
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- 50:27fantastic. We have a ton to talk about.
- 50:29So you guys are going to you guys are going to stay tuned in.
- 50:32We're going to be right back in just a bit.
- 50:34We're going to be hitting the news segment where even legacy
- 50:39media is admitting what me and Opti are admitting.
- 50:42This is the headline, by the way.
- 50:44Bitcoin is getting boring and that could open more doors for
- 50:49the crypto asset on Wall Street. Anyways, we're going to be
- 50:53talking about that in just a bit.
- 50:54So you guys are going to stay tuned.
- 50:55And then Opti's got something for you guys loaded during the
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- 53:34Anyways, Opti, I picked this article for you my friend.
- 53:37Everyone is going to be while I read this article.
- 53:40I'm just going to make you full screen so people could see your
- 53:42facial expressions full of excitement and optimism while I
- 53:48read this uberly bullish article.
- 53:51Anyways, the name of the article I think is what we are all
- 53:54feeling. Bitcoin is getting boring.
- 53:57That could open more doors for the crypto asset.
- 54:00On. Wall Street so goes on and makes
- 54:04its points but I have a beautiful summary for you guys
- 54:07and I'm just going to enlarge this picture of sailor while I
- 54:10check it out so bitcoins volatility has dropped to
- 54:13historic lows this year despite record highs in may July and
- 54:17August JP Morgan analyst attributed attributed this to
- 54:21corporations rapidly accumulating Bitcoin corporate
- 54:25treasuries now hold over 6% of the supply, functioning like
- 54:30private sector quantitative easing and dampening price
- 54:33swings. The trend began with Michael
- 54:36Saylor's micro strategy and has since expanded to companies like
- 54:39trump media, GameStop and metaplanet, with over 180 firms
- 54:44adopting similar strategies in July alone, corporations
- 54:48accounted for nearly 2/3 of major Bitcoin purchases.
- 54:52This accumulation combined with ETFs and futures is stabilizing
- 54:56Bitcoin and making it more competitive against gold as a
- 55:00store of value. The Trump administration has
- 55:03fueled this momentum by easing accounting rules, supporting
- 55:06corporate crypto adoption, and advancing pro crypto legislation
- 55:10such as allowing banks to issue stable coins and enabling crypto
- 55:15in retirement accounts. Firms are also extending the
- 55:18strategy to other altcoins. While the corporate QE is
- 55:22strengthening Bitcoins legitimacy and reducing
- 55:25volatility, questions remain about sustainability since some
- 55:29companies trade below the value of their Bitcoin holdings.
- 55:32Still, with political backing and growing adoption, Bitcoin is
- 55:36entering a new phase where corporate treasuries play a
- 55:39central role. A central stabilizing role.
- 55:43Opti, I do not like the sound of that article at all.
- 55:48It's framing it like it's a good thing, right?
- 55:52Like it's framing it like, what do you mean?
- 55:54Like, do we want Bitcoin to be a stable coin like volatility?
- 55:58Volatility is life. Volatility is a good thing.
- 56:01Volatility is how Bitcoin has got to this moment, right?
- 56:06I refuse to believe that Bitcoins volatility is
- 56:11completely dry. I just refuse to to refuse to
- 56:15believe that I I yesterday Opti you you you hit the nail on the
- 56:18head when you observe something. There was a picture of Bitcoin
- 56:23crossing the chasm right? Like we were we were.
- 56:25Oh man, I wish I had that image pulled up so I could show you
- 56:28guys. It was basically the adoption
- 56:30curve of Bitcoin. I'm small.
- 56:33I do. I do have.
- 56:34It I do. I always said you're smart.
- 56:37No, you. Say I'm wise, I'll take I'll
- 56:40take wise over smart. Anyways, I I think you're smart
- 56:44and wise. For the record, I think Opti
- 56:48plays dumb, but he's a lot smarter than what he was.
- 56:51Supposing me like. That but anyways, Opti said
- 56:54something really wise yesterday and this is essentially the
- 56:58Bitcoin adoption curve, the innovation curve so to speak.
- 57:01And it has all these groups, it has innovators, early adopters,
- 57:04early majority, late majority in the laggards.
- 57:06And it was interesting when we asked you guys, where, where are
- 57:10we in this curve? Yesterday, a lot of you guys in
- 57:12the chat were saying, Nikko, we're, we're still in the early
- 57:15adopters phase. And I'm like, no, I think we're
- 57:17in the early majority phase. And then Opti said, like Nikko,
- 57:20we're, we're crossing the chasm. And This is why we've had this
- 57:23like sideways price action. Leroy Jenkins in the chat says,
- 57:28how far is the Overton window move shifted recently?
- 57:32I would say a lot, dude. I would say when the president
- 57:35of the United States is name dropping Bitcoin at the White
- 57:38House, Yeah, like I think at that moment we've already won.
- 57:43Like this is what you guys have to understand.
- 57:45We've already won. It's a waiting game now.
- 57:48But the all the uncertainty that we had, the regulatory
- 57:53uncertainty whether Bitcoin is going to be made illegal,
- 57:56whether it's going to be embraced, all of that for now,
- 57:59maybe that can change under next administration.
- 58:02But during this, during this current administration, at least
- 58:05for the next three years and four months, it's just runway,
- 58:10right? I know that, I know that Opti is
- 58:12not a Trump fan at all, but with this current administration, you
- 58:18know, it's gonna be very positive for Bitcoin on a on a
- 58:20regulatory front. And if it's positive for Bitcoin
- 58:23on a regulatory front, again, if you're an institution, you're
- 58:26looking at Bitcoin. You're saying, look, I have the
- 58:28green light. This is fantastic.
- 58:30And listen, BlackRock isn't gonna let like, look, the ETF
- 58:35got approved under the previous administration, which was openly
- 58:38hostile towards the industry, right?
- 58:40So, and the reason for that is simple.
- 58:42It was Blackrock's ETF. All right, So do you think
- 58:45BlackRock is gonna let down the best performing ETFs that it's
- 58:50ever launched? Do you think it's ever gonna let
- 58:51that down? No, Donald Trump, his his media
- 58:55company, Trump media or something.
- 58:56It's one of the largest treasury companies on that list.
- 58:59If you look at the treasury companies, Trump, Trump's media
- 59:01company is one of the largest. His sons are heavily involved in
- 59:05the space, like Eric Trump speaking at every single Bitcoin
- 59:08conference like they want their bags to pump just as much as you
- 59:12do, FYI, Right? So anyways, that's my take on
- 59:18this Opti, what's your take? Is Bitcoin getting boring?
- 59:20Is it over, bro? Are we, are we just like boomers
- 59:23talking about our boomer coin or like like what's what's
- 59:27happening here, bro? I mean, dude, I've been saying
- 59:31for a while this is super boring.
- 59:33We're trading the S&P 500. We should just rename to simply
- 59:36SP 500 because. Simply in the price.
- 59:40Yeah, since the S&P 500, because the price is moving exactly like
- 59:45the S&P 500 and until something really kind of changes, I think
- 59:50that's what we're going to what we're going to be doing.
- 59:53And if you look at the S&P 500 and you kind of like, you know,
- 59:59map the current Bitcoin price since the ETFs.
- 1:00:03It's doing the same thing. It just like, you know,
- 1:00:06constantly moves up in this like very boring but predictable and
- 1:00:10stable price movement. Now do I actually think that's
- 1:00:13what's going on? I mean, there is some
- 1:00:14correlation here, but what we are seeing and it and it always
- 1:00:17goes back to the same thing that I keep saying the last couple of
- 1:00:20weeks as it keeps dawning on me is, is that there is a new
- 1:00:23investor in Bitcoin. And I hate using the word
- 1:00:26investor, but that's what they look at this thing as they there
- 1:00:29is a new entrant into the market and they're trading Bitcoin like
- 1:00:34they're used to trading every other thing that they've ever
- 1:00:37held in their whole lives. And so to see a very stable kind
- 1:00:41of climb or stable climb here that makes them feel good, like
- 1:00:44that makes them feel safe, like that makes them feel stable.
- 1:00:48Only bitcoiners are the ones that really embrace volatility.
- 1:00:52And like, you know, as as much as we get called sailor simps on
- 1:00:55the show, like he does say a lot of things that really resonate
- 1:01:00with a lot of people, like volatility is life.
- 1:01:02You do not want to have stability because that literally
- 1:01:04means death. Like having a you know what,
- 1:01:08what's the, you know, the beeping thing?
- 1:01:10I'm I'm blanking right now. When you're in the in the
- 1:01:12hospital and your heart pulse, you do not want your heart
- 1:01:16pulsing stable. That literally means you're
- 1:01:18dying, like you want to see spikes because that means you're
- 1:01:21alive. But again, kind of reeling this
- 1:01:24back into the beginning, what we're seeing here is that people
- 1:01:28want stability. Like that's why stable coins are
- 1:01:32are catching on globally. Like that's why people invest in
- 1:01:36treasuries in the 1st place because they want stable returns
- 1:01:40here. And so as much as we really
- 1:01:43dislike the meme, which is like the reality right now, Bitcoins
- 1:01:47of stablecoin, for other people, that is what they look for.
- 1:01:52They want stability. They want something that they
- 1:01:54can count on to just slowly kind of gain in value, not too
- 1:01:58flashy, doesn't have huge crashes in it.
- 1:02:01And for better or worse, this is what bitcoins been acting like
- 1:02:04the last, you know what, 9-10 months ever so or rather even
- 1:02:07like a year kind of. It's just stable, stable growth
- 1:02:11since the ETF. For many people, that's all they
- 1:02:14want. They just want something that is
- 1:02:16going to continue to climb all up.
- 1:02:18What you see in the S&P 500 or or the, you know, NASDAQ fun,
- 1:02:23it's like that's what people like.
- 1:02:25And until we see something that is, you know, like a Black Swan
- 1:02:31moment, then they're not going to be taking the risk that they
- 1:02:35probably should be because they're terrified.
- 1:02:37When you're scared and the future is uncertain, the last
- 1:02:41thing you want to be doing is taking risk.
- 1:02:43And so as that article is kind of saying, Bitcoin is, for lack
- 1:02:48of a better term, like the volatility is dying right now.
- 1:02:50Whether we see a a parabolic bull run or another depressing
- 1:02:54bear market is still up for debate.
- 1:02:57But people like stability, obviously, as Bitcoiners like,
- 1:03:00well, we light the roller coaster.
- 1:03:02We're like, yo get, you know? Give me, give me, give me.
- 1:03:05The freaking 110100X gains here and I'll take the the 80% draw
- 1:03:12down because that just means we are more volatile.
- 1:03:16But as we're seeing Bitcoin is being monetized in real time,
- 1:03:20like we've been following this along and sometimes the the
- 1:03:23volatility when it gets monetized is crazier than other
- 1:03:26times. Maybe right now, like I said
- 1:03:28yesterday, we might be in that chasm portion.
- 1:03:31If you pull that up again, Nico, it does kind of like, you know,
- 1:03:34it's it is kind of like flat going through the chasm.
- 1:03:37But once you get past the chasm is when you start to see the S
- 1:03:40curve adoption when really when people really start adopting it.
- 1:03:44And so maybe this is kind of just that slow grind up, you
- 1:03:48know, while people kind of ingest the information.
- 1:03:51And then once we get a a massive, massive movement from
- 1:03:58retail and really individuals and we see, you know, 100
- 1:04:02million plus people diving head first into Bitcoin, then that's
- 1:04:06when we really get the price run up.
- 1:04:07So as we are right now, Bitcoin is kind of acting like a stable
- 1:04:13coin. Hey, nine months ago, ten months
- 1:04:16ago, a year ago, yeah, it's kind of gone up.
- 1:04:18But if you, you know, you're zooming in and you're kind of
- 1:04:20cherry picking here. The last 10 months, if you put
- 1:04:23money in Bitcoin, you haven't lost any money, which is
- 1:04:26definitely what these investors want.
- 1:04:28They're looking at everything else.
- 1:04:29The stock market's been way more volatile.
- 1:04:32You know, treasuries are freaking super volatile right
- 1:04:35now. And so if you're moving a lot of
- 1:04:37capital right now, if you're putting a lot of capital in
- 1:04:39Bitcoin, you're OK with not losing value.
- 1:04:42You just want to make sure you don't lose value.
- 1:04:45That's the whole game here. Make sure if you are throwing,
- 1:04:47you know, hundreds of millions of dollars in Bitcoin, you
- 1:04:49aren't losing value. And for us it we're, we're on
- 1:04:53the opposite side. We're like the Warren Buffett
- 1:04:55meme. You know, if you want to build
- 1:04:56value, you put all your eggs in one basket.
- 1:04:59If you have value, then you diversify into different
- 1:05:02baskets. Well, we're we're seeing that
- 1:05:05everyone's playing a different game right now.
- 1:05:07So for some low volatility is a good thing.
- 1:05:10For others, you can see me like being bored to death here
- 1:05:14because I like. Like the price?
- 1:05:17Movement, that's the fun stuff that's when we get people coming
- 1:05:19into Bitcoin for better or worse, everyone always says the
- 1:05:22same thing it's like oh the Bitcoin price is the least
- 1:05:25important factor of Bitcoin you know decentralization,
- 1:05:28censorship resistant freedom, etcetera etcetera.
- 1:05:31I believe all those things but when it comes to Main Street,
- 1:05:34what do they like they like to see Bitcoin run because the
- 1:05:38greed kicks in the FOMO kicks in actually Nico, there was another
- 1:05:41article here. Let me, let me see if I can find
- 1:05:43it. I, I don't have the, the
- 1:05:48subscription for this. It's like the San Francisco
- 1:05:51Chronicle or something like that, but they have this
- 1:05:53headline and this is like the, the perfect summation of what's
- 1:05:59going on here. Yeah, I'm, I'm trying to find
- 1:06:01it. I'm trying to, I'm trying to
- 1:06:02find it right now. It goes, this is San Francisco
- 1:06:07Chronicle and it goes crypto FOMO.
- 1:06:09Hold on, crypto FOMO is real. Here's why it feels so bad and
- 1:06:13what you can do about it. And it like the solutions aren't
- 1:06:18good in this article. It's just a bunch of like, oh,
- 1:06:20you can buy the ETF or you can go into altcoins or something.
- 1:06:24Whereas like you can do a solution for it and it's
- 1:06:27literally just keep buying Bitcoin.
- 1:06:30And in my culture right now, shouts out the wicked.
- 1:06:33He did a great one of those visuals and it just shows, shows
- 1:06:36you like you don't need too much to get into Bitcoin to change
- 1:06:39your life. You just need to be consistent
- 1:06:41with it. So like if you are feeling the
- 1:06:42FOMO, which is like I'm not feeling anymore, you just need
- 1:06:47to buy a Bitcoin. So like Tradfly, like stability,
- 1:06:52mainstream likes to FOMO. We're at this point right now
- 1:06:57where hey, for better or worse, institutions are winning right
- 1:07:00now because they have seemed to kind of remove the volatility
- 1:07:05out of this thing for the time being.
- 1:07:06Until that comes back, I don't think we're going to be seeing
- 1:07:11an incredible FOMO from retail and the volume's dead.
- 1:07:15No one's no one's really buying this thing except for other
- 1:07:18people that been in the space. Like the only people trading
- 1:07:20Bitcoin are Bitcoiners or shit corners and bitcoiners.
- 1:07:24Like retail is dead. The volume is super low right
- 1:07:26now. There is no interest coming.
- 1:07:28Yes, there's some like budding interest in the mainstream
- 1:07:32around Bitcoin, but right now, like I'm sure if you tell people
- 1:07:36you're a Bitcoin or they're like, yeah, cool story, bro.
- 1:07:38Like put the fries in the bag. It's true.
- 1:07:43It's true, man. No one's talking about this
- 1:07:44Bitcoin. It is the new stablecoin.
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- 1:11:03Go going, going back to Dallas. Before I move on, Ron P we're
- 1:11:08bored at 100 grand plus. Lol yeah dude for real for real.
- 1:11:13This was fun for the first day. The 1st 4 hours was fun.
- 1:11:19We do. Wait we've been talking.
- 1:11:20It's because we've been talking about 100K for what?
- 1:11:22Since 2021? It's like, yeah, we've been.
- 1:11:24Talking about 100K for 25 years. Yeah, like we got there, but it
- 1:11:29was, you know, 5-10 years later than we thought.
- 1:11:31Anyways, it's going to be the same thing with a million guys.
- 1:11:38All right, So Wicked did a really good visual here.
- 1:11:42I'm on a noster here, but this is kind of what we've been
- 1:11:47saying for like as long as I've been in Bitcoin, I've been
- 1:11:50saying this, but I'm a visual learner and when you see it
- 1:11:53visually, it's it's really is mind blowing and it's literally
- 1:11:56I remember surfer Jim did an article basically like put your
- 1:11:59beer money in Bitcoin and you're going to be happier.
- 1:12:01And that was five years ago and we have a perfect illustration
- 1:12:05of this. So I'm going to.
- 1:12:07Show you guys this. I'm not going to put the music
- 1:12:11on 'cause I, I think it's, it's probably copy written, but here
- 1:12:17you go. So the tweet or the post, I
- 1:12:19don't know what you call it. All nosters.
- 1:12:20The Noster post says saving in dollars versus gold versus
- 1:12:24Bitcoin. After 400 weeks of $50 DCA,
- 1:12:27you'd have $20,000. Had you saved in dollars, 11.322
- 1:12:31ounces of gold worth 38,864. Had you saved in gold or 1.3719
- 1:12:38Bitcoin worth 148,707 dollars. Had you saved in Bitcoin?
- 1:12:42So here we go. I'm going to play this in the
- 1:12:44background. You can see where it diverges,
- 1:12:48how a simple DCA strategy in Bitcoin, literally $50 a day
- 1:12:53could change your life. Look, you save what?
- 1:12:55What was it $50 a day? Since this was I believe 2020 at
- 1:13:00the beginning, was that what's 400 weeks, Nico?
- 1:13:03Yeah, that's, that's about, that's about four years.
- 1:13:06So if you started in 2020-2021, just $50 a day, you would have
- 1:13:12about $148,000 in Bitcoin today. Now, of course that price
- 1:13:16volatility could change over time, but the visual remains the
- 1:13:20same. And I tell this to all my
- 1:13:21friends and they all tell me the same exact thing of like, I
- 1:13:25can't buy a full Bitcoin, bro, I don't have $100,000.
- 1:13:28Like, dude, it doesn't matter, $50 a week you're going to be
- 1:13:31good, $100 a week you're going to be good.
- 1:13:34And of course it'll keep going. But I really like Hoddle's kind
- 1:13:38of take on this. He's like, the thing I always
- 1:13:40think about with these animations is not how much
- 1:13:42better Bitcoin is than gold, which is obvious, but how little
- 1:13:45$50 a week truly is. The average person's life would
- 1:13:48be greatly improved if they had an extra 150K, obviously.
- 1:13:53And the average person spends $50 a week on absolute bullshit
- 1:13:56that does not improve their life.
- 1:13:57It just seems like an absolute waste when you think about it.
- 1:14:00And this is like, it's not even a hard ask here that we're
- 1:14:04telling people, hey, just save $50 a week in Bitcoin.
- 1:14:07Your life's going to get better. And everyone says the same thing
- 1:14:09like I don't have 100K in Bitcoin.
- 1:14:12You show them a visual of this is like, look, would you like
- 1:14:15$150,000 today? Everyone would say, yes, well,
- 1:14:20all you have to do is follow the blueprint of buying fifty $100 a
- 1:14:25week in Bitcoin and your life's going to be like incredibly
- 1:14:28different. And everyone's like, no, bro,
- 1:14:30that that's not how it works, bro.
- 1:14:33You know, $50 a week isn't going to be able to get me a whole
- 1:14:35coin. It's like it it, it could, it
- 1:14:37could have if you, if you listen to me, But that's besides the
- 1:14:40point. It's like, do you want to save
- 1:14:43your value? Do you have any value to provide
- 1:14:46to the world? Well, measly $50.
- 1:14:49You know, one good dinner. Well, actually one DoorDash.
- 1:14:53What? DoorDash to me.
- 1:14:54What? $50 these days row.
- 1:14:56It's like 1 Uber eats meal or something.
- 1:14:58It's literally one Uber eats the the different taxes they put on
- 1:15:02on DoorDash and stuff. It's.
- 1:15:03Crazy bro. You, you buy like a, you know, a
- 1:15:06burger and some fries and a shake, $30 Somehow it ends up 50
- 1:15:09bucks. You're like, what is going on
- 1:15:11here? Where?
- 1:15:12Where? Are these fees coming from?
- 1:15:14I know I tipped them well, but you know, that wasn't freaking
- 1:15:17half of what what I what I ordered here.
- 1:15:19But it's just like the visuals is so simple, guys, the strategy
- 1:15:22is so simple at this point. I'm a broken record, but like
- 1:15:26you guys know this. We've been telling this for
- 1:15:29everyone. Yes, everyone says Opti, you
- 1:15:31know, can speak about nothing for 30 minutes, but it's like
- 1:15:34guys, you forget one thing. Everything's already been said,
- 1:15:37but no one was listening the first time.
- 1:15:39So hopefully more people are listening here.
- 1:15:42They just follow the strategy. Just commit to the strategy and
- 1:15:46dude who doesn't want an extra 150 K lying around and all you
- 1:15:49have to do is buy $50 a week of Bitcoin?
- 1:15:51Like if your life is hard right now.
- 1:15:54You should probably. Be buying some Bitcoin and don't
- 1:15:56spend it for four or five years and you're going to be good.
- 1:15:59Like what is? Yeah, skip a burger.
- 1:16:02Skip a burger and buy some sats. Amen.
- 1:16:05Amen to that. Skip a burger, buy some, buy
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- 1:17:26Guys, we love you. That was the show for September
- 1:17:292nd, 2025. I'm your host Nico.
- 1:17:32This is my legendary Co host who's always optimistic optimist
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- 1:17:48brand new episode. Take care.
- 1:17:50Take care everybody, and stack some sats.
- 1:17:51Use those $50 wisely. Yeah, let's get if we're, if
- 1:17:55we're all tired of the Bitcoin price everyone should be buying,
- 1:17:58we need to, we need to move. This price up start.
- 1:18:00Buying Bitcoin. I know we're all broke, but we
- 1:18:03should be buying Bitcoin. Exactly.
- 1:18:06Don't sell your Bitcoin to BlackRock.
- 1:18:07All right, Love you guys. We'll see you guys.
- 1:18:09We'll see you on the next one. Peace out.
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