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Talks to Luke Molloy & Dylan Rees about their choice of The Power of Kroll (3/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt pen knife for.
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  Doing quicker. Hello and welcome back to
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  Hamster with a Blunt Pen Knife, the Doctor Who Commentary
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  Podcast. And we're doing The Power of
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  Crawl. We're on episode 3 with
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  obviously, Joe Ford. Say hello, Joe.
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  No, I'm not talking to our of you taking the piss out of me at
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  the start. Of these episodes.
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  No, I love you. Really.
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  Dead in race. Everyone's favorite crazy guy.
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  Crazy nobody. No, don't.
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  No. I'm here for the power of crawl
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  you. Remember him from the fashion
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  magazines? You remember him from the
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  Panopticons. It's still in real.
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  All of a sudden I'm reading fashion magazines.
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  Jesus Christ, I'm an old man. Anyway, now I'm not cool
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  anymore. All the kids wear just black.
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  Yeah, it's true. What do people Remember Me for
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  then, Luke? Cop jokes.
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  Mostly licking out their assholes if I want, right?
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  They're all very clean. At the end of Part 1, we said,
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  yeah, we're having a good time, this is good.
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  Is that still the case? Yes.
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  Yeah, I'm having a good time with you guys.
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  I did notice that episode dragging a little bit towards
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  the end. Yes, I have a controversial
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  theory about power of Crawl which I wish to bestow upon you.
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  I think the last two episodes are the best 2 episodes of the
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  story because 3 has this brilliant sequence where they're
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  on the rack and I love that. And it has a humdinger of a
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  cliffhanger. And four culminates in like just
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  a ton of action. It's like all go in the last 15
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  minutes. So would you say 2 is the worst?
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  You probably yes. Whereas you think 3 is the
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  worst, don't you? Me.
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  Yeah, you. You said it earlier.
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  Yeah. But it is weird because when I
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  think of Crawl, the image that comes up in my mind is not the
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  big squid, and it is them on the rack.
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  And the Doctor. Well, we'll get to it.
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  The Doctor doing this thing. Right.
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  Let's get straight in. In three please 2/1 we're off.
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  At this point I was thinking there is so much I've never seen
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  and want to watch. Why am I watching The Power of
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  Crawl for the eighth time in my life and then I don't remember
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  this because it's top 2? Oh, you mean like Netflix dramas
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  and things like? That just old films anything.
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  But by the end of Episode 3, it did win me back and I was like,
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  because it's great. When I when I buy Blu rays of
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  things that I've not seen, I always keep the cellophane on
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  until I watch it. And there are, there's some that
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  there must be 8 years and I must have seen power crawl 3 times in
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  that eight years. As I told you before, the.
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  Savages animation is in the cellophane has been for.
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  Us to get it out. That documentary is fab.
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  Get it out. I do love yeah look, crows just
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  got it out. It's massive tentacles just
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  burst out. It looks so shit.
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  Though I can't remember what else.
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  What the tentacle? The Savages.
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  Oh yeah, they're not. Much ain't great, if I'm honest.
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  That's what puts me. Off.
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  It's the story, though. It's crawl again.
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  I was not going to make a point and now it's just gone.
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  Sorry. Yeah, it's OK.
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  What the? Hell, was I going to say?
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  This episode was under running so they used a longer than
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  normal reprise. That's what the.
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  Info text just tells me it's what Dicks always says isn't it?
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  He goes. You can always tell when we was
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  under one in because we have got a 5 minute we prize at the start
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  of every episode all. The crawl episodes feel a bit
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  shorter than usual, right? Yeah, they're all like 22.
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  Yeah, we're not. Wouldn't mind drop a territory.
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  Yeah, exactly. They're running out of.
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  They're just desperate to get something on the air and hope
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  it's 20 odd minutes long. Rob Dutt sort of runs out of
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  things to do very quickly, doesn't he?
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  I mean, he I do love it when he's dragged into the swamp in
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  this episode. It's very funny.
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  Just every time the tentacles come.
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  I mean, look at this poor man. Yeah, that.
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  Grief, if this was a decent horror film, you'd see him
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  pulled through and like bent in half.
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  Yeah. Wait, do we think Kroll could be
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  what the 13th Doctors cleaning up at the beginning of all from
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  55? Did you see the line?
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  Hogs just been sucked out by the monster.
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  Disgusting. Sorry, Luke, what was your
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  question? You know at the beginning of all
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  from 55, the doctors cleaning up like a tentacle.
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  Tentacle stuff that could be crawl.
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  It does look like a crow tentacle, doesn't it?
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  That. Could be crawl.
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  And there's a terrible sex gag as well, isn't there?
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  I don't. Know about their mating cycle
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  when she's mopping up all the calm.
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  And is that when Yas is like, oh, you're always Mardy, I'm
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  never Mardy? I love all from 55 so it's so
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  great. Should we all suck our thumbs?
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  Can we not do that one next? What a great time we would have.
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  That was genuinely one that on broadcast I was like, I really
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  like this and went to Twitter and was like, yeah, fucking
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  hell. It's insane, isn't it?
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  I genuinely was like, there's no way a fan of classic Doctor Who
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  could hate that story. After not like not.
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  Wrong. On that Strictly episode I
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  thought he was gonna have a heart attack halfway through.
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  But it's insane to me that it's insane to me that someone could
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  sit through something like the power of Crawl and go, yeah,
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  you're pretty good, but not like Autumn 55.
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  I'm sat there with a glass of wine just being like this hasn't
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  stopped. This is just being non-stop
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  brilliant. The bit where Brothers just puts
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  his hands on the camera, I just love it.
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  Yeah, right. Anyway, back to the power of
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  crawl. The the yeah this to me this is
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  what I think of the 7th ritual that these 3 stretched out on
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  vines. It was originally called the
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  Moon of Death. This this story.
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  Power trolls are much better. Title, isn't it?
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  Yeah, the moon doesn't really feel sad.
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  And the moon. Dylan, have you faced many moons
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  of death in your time? Quite a few, to be honest.
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  That this was at the point where I was trying not to look at
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  Romana's figure. I don't know what you mean.
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  Well, why would you not? I mean, it's there splayed out,
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  right you. Need to see splayed.
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  Out would you not do that? I'll bet.
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  As long as you don't touch her, that's inappropriate.
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  I bet you, Tom. Baker, Tom Baker had some
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  thoughts about where the scene could have gone.
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  But we're not PGI. Bet he had some say about the
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  fact that he's scarred. He's.
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  Scarred up his cock. Yeah, that's a.
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  Dirty boy as well, isn't he? What about the next three holy
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  rituals of death? OK.
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  Oh. You've got to go to a Doctor Who
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  convention, line up for Katie Manning's autograph, and not
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  have a conversation with her. Impossible.
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  And if you don't, if you, if she talks to you, you get shot in
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  the head. You're dead then.
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  Yeah. I can't really think of anymore
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  right now. Oh, we've all gone quiet.
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  I. Like to think?
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  See, now he's doing his speech, defilers, poisoners, 7th holy
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  rituals. Like there is a religious angle
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  to this. We're not seeing it because
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  we're not listening to the dialogue, but I think it's
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  actually a bit. Maybe one of the holy deaths
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  would be that you have to listen to every single Big Finish
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  behind the scenes back-to-back. Yeah, and every time they
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  mentioned Toby's lunch, you have to eat a whole lunch.
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  Or how amazing it is to work with a certain person you the
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  listener has never heard of. We couldn't let them go.
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  There was no creative reason to keep them around.
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  But we love working with them, I think.
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  Dylan alluded to this earlier. Like the crawl, the Swampy's,
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  it's all like a bit pathetic sci-fi, but there's something
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  about Baker's performance and like even just the thought of
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  how this, how this torture scene is played out, put into the
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  script that like there's just glimmers of gold and that just
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  makes you like it. Oh, I mean, like the whole
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  assertion that if the lead actors act as if this is all
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  real, you totally go with it. I think that's a genuine thing
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  because I think there's times in Davidson's era where he's a bit
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  embarrassed by what's going on around him.
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  And you're like, yeah, I don't believe any of this.
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  And you can imagine this going out under Davidson.
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  Well, definitely Colin Bacon, Sylvester and this being
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  absolutely hated, but it goes out under Tom and it's just an
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  average Tom story. Yeah, I mean, it's not loved
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  this one, is it? No, but it would be.
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  I think it would be hated if it was in the McCoy era or the
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  Colin Baker era. Yeah, and it wouldn't be
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  believable if shooting gap, but was in it because he wouldn't
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  understand what was going on. But he'd get the best light, the
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  best angles, you know. He'd get he'd get the best angle
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  and you'd see a silhouette of his bum.
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  I would like to. Praise he's he's for wellies.
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  That's another doctor that's more wellies I swear he's got.
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  All. All forgiven.
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  At the beginning of 73 yards for the you know, for about two
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  seconds. It's not the Series 1 strictly.
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  Come, hamster. All right.
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  Sorry, it's great. I'm fucked off the 8:00 AM that
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  it's going out 8:00 AM, That's really pissed me off, yeah.
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  I do not care. Why?
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  Why does that piss you off? What's pissed me off more is
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  people celebrated it. Did you prefer the?
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  Midnight show it. But look, if you put it out at
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  midnight, you can stay up and have a bit of a night of it.
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  And if you, if you're not going to do that anyway, when you wake
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  up, it's there. Or you could get into, you could
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  get really into coke and stay up all night and then we'll finish.
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  You all you've done with 8:00 AM is whether the people that like
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  staying up at midnight after watching 8:00 AM because you
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  were still going to watch it AM anyway if you're going to watch
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  it in the morning. I mean, I'm like you, Luke.
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  I did like that sort of middle of the night.
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  Friday night, yeah. Dylan's lost his shit again and.
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  He angry. Dylan's pissed and angry.
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  Oh, there's the messages that come through after the episodes,
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  right? Because one of us always hated
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  it, just one of us. And the other two generally
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  loved that episode. And so I was like, no shit.
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  No, it was great. And then we all sort of went
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  quiet till the next morning. Yeah.
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  But I'd wake up hungover and go, I've got to watch that again.
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  I can't remember what happened. And then and then you look at
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  the picture of Crow there around the window.
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  Did you see that It's? Cool.
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  Very cool, yeah. I wonder if you know, if Ron
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  Dutch should have just been. They should have just left him
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  on the rack. Yeah, I mean, no, a crow death's
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  better than a rack death. Yeah, the rack there is quite a
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  horrible way to go in it, Like slowly getting you your sponge
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  stretched. Something icky about it.
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  It's. Pretty dark.
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  Yeah. Obviously they're not going to
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  show it. If you look very closely, I mean
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  they're they, their arms are bent as well.
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  So there isn't there are no poor at all in the situation that
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  they're in, but never mind. Dealing with your with your
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  controversy, are you about to say that this is Philip
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  Maddock's best performance? How dare you are not.
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  Controversial. And now I said it was his worst
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  earlier on, didn't I it? Was his best performance wrong
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  guy? Well, exactly wrong with great
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  authority. Who does he play in the war
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  games? Is it the war chief like the
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  warlord? The warlord.
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  Yeah, one of them. He's very cool in that he's good
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  in. That the war daddy?
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  Yeah. He's good in the brain of
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  Morbius. He is good in the.
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  He's very when he's holding that throbbing brain going, oh,
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  Morbius, the greatest intellect. He's great in master as well.
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  He is brilliant. He's kind of scary in that,
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  isn't he? Yeah.
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  There's something very unsettling about his
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  performance. In that you're big baby.
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  And you're on that episode saying you found it.
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  Scary, that's what I'm. Talking about oh, do you know
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  what it takes a particular sort of person to enjoy this material
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  that's on right now? Three very heterosexual men
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  sitting around a load of pipes arguing.
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  I don't even know what they're arguing about That's.
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  Blake 7 isn't it? This is very Blake 7.
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  Yeah, it is. It's, Blake said.
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  But Blake 7 doesn't have a bog in it.
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  Like Blake 7 Luke. Yeah, it's shit.
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  Oh dear. If it was really Blake.
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  Side heart and now dead. If it was really Blake 7, the
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  Big Crow monster wouldn't be there and it'd just be that guy
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  in the costume from the the first episode.
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  If. You ever need to appreciate
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  Doctor Who monsters, You just have to go and watch Blake 7.
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  Oh mate, that I I see. Like.
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  Sarah and I raise you the Tomorrow People.
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  Do you remember this? I've seen?
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  Did you watch any all of those? I've seen them all.
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  Yes, you know the one with the Galactic Council where they're
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  all sitting around the table and they're literally like hoovers
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  and jellies and things going it's really bad, terrible.
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  No, but do you remember that That massive Hoover insects in
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  the last season of seven? I can't remember the last season
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  of. Blake Oh, it's terrible.
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  It makes you go back and look at things like, oh, I mean, what's
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  the worst Doctor Who monster of all time?
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  Tara and Wood beast. That's yeah, fairly up there.
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  Yeah, it's the one that's picked up.
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  It's probably this fucking crab in in Part 1 of this, Yeah.
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  A real monster. How a big finish never done the
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  sort of the story of the tar and wood beast as a four part of it.
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  I bet it's a short trip. Probably.
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  I hope they turn them into a really sympathetic character
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  who's cruelly frightened away. Do you remember in that 6 minute
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  little documentary on the video where the man said we're having
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  real trouble getting the green paint off or we're having to go
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  to these industrial showers to try and get it all off?
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  Yeah, but you know, it's gym showers, isn't it, Down the
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  roads. I mean, look, it's pissing with
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  rain right now. Some of them had to go to RAF
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  Chemical Showers. I mean, have you ever had
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  someone leave a set right when it's absolutely pissing the rain
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  going? Yeah, Do you know what?
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  I just can't do this. Guys guys, the Tarrum would be
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  shows up in a comic strip called Buying Time and is also stuffed
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  in a hall in a Space Museum that's invaded by the Vashta
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  Narada in something called Hall of Monsters.
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  What is that? That's a comic is it?
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  I guess so. Is it IDW or something like
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  that? It sounds very hard.
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  To believe. It's a webcast from Big Finish.
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  The most obscure thing I ever heard on a podcast was when Luke
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  on the Talons of Wing Chai Yang said that there was a Jay Go and
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  Live for featuring Halsey the mud lock.
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  I was like, yeah. Yeah, it's season 8.
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  I think it's J the episode title.
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  It's Jay. Go online.
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  No, we've got the set now. I believe you, but I just
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  couldn't believe it. No, he's doing it right now.
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  He's. About to.
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  Do it. By the speed this one's forming,
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  it's going to be a daddy. Yeah, that line's here.
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  Who? Who would have thought Tom Baker
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  was a squealer, right? But honestly, supersonic Dr. is
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  amazing. He should be pulling this chick
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  out all the time. This is better than Capaldi's
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  sleep finger. It's better than Sylvester's
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  survival killer finger. Is it better than Colin at all?
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  Punching people out. I mean, Colin punches people.
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  That's not skill, is it? Is it better than the 11th
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  Doctor head butting someone to pass on his memories?
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  That's pretty good, but imagine. Imagine she pulling this out of
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  the end of dot and Bubble supersonic in the.
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  Have to improve it. I don't know.
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  I just think Tom could sell anything.
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  It's so ridiculous. Yeah, he sells it.
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  I do like it when Tom makes odd sounds because he does it in
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  Zygons as well, doesn't he goes oh.
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  Oh yeah. Always rolled his wellies down.
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  It's a lovely. It's a lovely design on the
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  inside. Oh, leave.
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  Robbed up there. He's a he's a baton.
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  This whole sequence now where they run through the marshes.
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  We're about to see the great reveal of Crow in at the end of
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  Episode 3. Yeah, I mean.
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  I still, I still have the kid thing of I just like it when
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  Doctor Who is running around. Yeah, yeah.
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  And we just don't get enough of it sometimes, quite a lot of the
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  time. Adore, tooth and claw the.
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  Tooth and claw is amazing for it, I mean.
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  That's what got you in. Yeah, Smith and Jones, he's
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  running around that Jones. Amazing.
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  Yeah, he's. A Moss he's running.
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  Around that base, that claw scene, I watched that over and
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  over. Did you hear?
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  Them talking about that, that I mean what is wrong with these
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  people? That was just incredible.
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  What about in space babies where he runs up and down to corridors
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  for four? Quite quite like that, no?
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  You're wrong. You're.
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  Wrong. I love it when Jodie runs across
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  the battlefield to that TARDIS when all the doors have
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  vanished. She's pretty fabulous.
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  Ron Duck looks like he smells of rollies, doesn't he?
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  Old open. I think it is.
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  They've gone. Oh dear, Have you noticed?
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  Right, with all of the flames that are on the screen?
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  It's those terrible pipes that they use, isn't it?
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  The gas pipes? You can tell it's not actually a
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  braz. Oh, how do you say it?
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  Not Brazier. Brazier.
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  How do you say it? I.
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  Don't know. What you.
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  Call them, yeah. Brazier Boaz i.e.
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  RI don't know I. Don't know what you're talking
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  about. You're obviously ill educated.
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  Better. I am, yeah.
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  Oh yeah, yeah. Oh, bless them.
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  Why have they given them the sort of dreadlocks?
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  I think they went to a shop and went what wigs do they have?
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  I think it works. I can't imagine them without.
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  Did they dye the dreadlocks and reuse them for Destiny, the
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  Daleks and the Mavellans? Oh, you never know, maybe they
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  did. But also if you're if you're
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  living in a swampy environment, dreadlocks are a good way to go
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  with your hair if you can't shave it all off.
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  Like nobody wants long scraggly hair that's going to get bits of
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  swamp in it. Joe, I'm coming to the clue.
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  I'll start that again. I'm coming to the conclusion
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  that this story, we're just waiting to see the monster,
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  aren't we? We're just continually waiting
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  to see them. Yeah, I mean this, this is
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  probably the highlight of the story now.
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  What them? Yeah, yeah.
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  Straight into its jaws. Yeah, basically it's so a canoe
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  instrument. I do love it when the monster
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  comes out next to the oil rig that's attacking it.
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  That's very funny. I I mean I do have like an
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  anxiety about bogs and quicksand and swamps like it.
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  It freaks me out that you can just be sucked off by the earth.
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  The. Hungry Earth.
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  Anytime you want. That's what makes this so
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  dangerous. We can have a fabulous day out,
• 20:16
  you know, going to some marshes. I looked them up, they're still
• 20:20
  there. They're not a housing estate or
• 20:22
  anything. Like that, we'll do one of our
• 20:24
  location trips. Yeah, I'll get all my
• 20:26
  screenshots ready. I'll do a full itinerary last
• 20:29
  time we've. Got to find the exact like reeds
• 20:33
  of grass that Tom Baker was. Blowing yeah, you bring the
• 20:35
  hovercraft just. For a bit of context, right, So
• 20:38
  Luke brought his full itinerary of the locations of Android
• 20:41
  Invasion, Planet of the Spiders. But he didn't just write a list
• 20:45
  of locations. Oh no, he put on photographs the
• 20:49
  actual screenshot you. Gotta get it right.
• 20:51
  So we do exactly where to go. We've drove on the same Rd. as
• 20:55
  John Perry and Planet of the Spiders.
• 20:57
  Who else? Can say that wait.
• 21:01
  Probably everyone listening to this pop.
• 21:02
  Everybody, Yeah. Oh listen, these polar actors
• 21:06
  are still just sitting around that.
• 21:08
  Yeah. They really do have fuck all to
• 21:10
  do. It is odd too.
• 21:15
  Oh, no Ashes. I might say it's a very odd.
• 21:17
  Firm. This is like Hooverville at 4:00
• 21:19
  PM, isn't it? 4:00 PM or 4 AM. 4:00 PM.
• 21:24
  I'm waiting in line for my 49th Katie Manning signature. 4 PMI
• 21:28
  felt like we're done, we're done.
• 21:30
  And then we sat outside for two hours waiting for everyone else.
• 21:34
  Yeah, fair not. Not this year, though.
• 21:37
  No, not this year, Christ. Joe Martin will be there.
• 21:40
  And Anita and Anita, from joy to the world.
• 21:45
  And Steph Diwali from the only Doctor Who story I've.
• 21:47
  Ever seen That's Anita? Is it?
• 21:50
  I thought you meant Anita Dobson.
• 21:52
  No, but she's probably there as well.
• 21:54
  Yeah, she shows up for everything.
• 21:56
  Are you going to tell her you turned off within 10 minutes?
• 22:00
  4 minutes. So you didn't even get to her
• 22:03
  scenes? But I'm going to watch it for a
• 22:05
  commentary, I said. I'm going to watch it especially
• 22:07
  for you. Oh my God, look, weeds are being
• 22:10
  sucked into the ground. That's a good little effect,
• 22:12
  that. Rum ducks being dragged away by
• 22:15
  a tentacle. Oh no.
• 22:17
  And then he's just gone and literally no one cares.
• 22:21
  No. No, Ramada just goes oh horrible
• 22:23
  in a very sort of half hearted way.
• 22:26
  That's our reaction though, is the audience, isn't it?
• 22:29
  Shrug of the shoulders, Move on and.
• 22:31
  Then Tom just gives the science. Well, it's learner.
• 22:34
  Anything that moves is wholesome, you know?
• 22:37
  Shouldn't have moved. Run guys, Crow is coming.
• 22:41
  Oh, they're being hunted by the Swampy's as well.
• 22:43
  See, it's moving now. It's so good when it's outside
• 22:46
  crawl, it's such, it's such a game of two halves.
• 22:49
  When it's outside, it's so good. I say, oh God, they're in the
• 22:53
  boat. This special effect shot in a
• 22:55
  second is gold. I mean, I think they're
• 23:00
  ambitious to try it as well. I know the lines there, but wait
• 23:04
  for it. Wait for it.
• 23:07
  Swampy. Swampy wants it.
• 23:10
  Come on, grab my all, Ramona. It's not exactly a high speed
• 23:15
  chase. How did they miss?
• 23:16
  Look at that. How did they miss it, that is.
• 23:19
  Fabulous. Yeah, it's brilliant.
• 23:22
  Oh yes, Tom's literally he's having the best time at this
• 23:27
  bit. About if I was watching this in
• 23:29
  what is it, 7779? If I was watching this 79, I'd
• 23:34
  be like, well, even when I was watching it in like 2007, I was
• 23:37
  like, yes, wow, that's class. You would do a tour of the UK
• 23:42
  and convince the other 6 million people to watch the next
• 23:44
  episode, wouldn't you? That is one of the best last
• 23:49
  shots of any Doctor Who episode. It is.
• 23:53
  Great. It's fantastic.
• 23:56
  Oh Crow, we love your sloppy tentacles.
• 24:02
  Dirty bitch. Well.
• 24:05
  Nathan Turner, production unit manager.
• 24:07
  He was there. He's eyeing up Graham Williams.
• 24:10
  I'm going to have your job, you know I'll have your job.
• 24:11
  I'm going. To have.
• 24:13
  You a boozy bastard studio sound Richard Chubb, make of that what
• 24:18
  you will. Oh, and.
• 24:20
  And it's Special Effects by Tony Harding.
• 24:23
  Not that dreadful. Matt Irving.
• 24:25
  Have you seen him? Oh, he's tedious, isn't he?
• 24:27
  This to listen to? Yeah.
• 24:29
  I've got a photo of him have. You have you ever?
• 24:31
  I've got one as well. Yeah, you've got one M and.
• 24:34
  K9. What?
• 24:35
  When was that at? Haverville.
• 24:37
  Just last year. Hell of it, yeah.
• 24:39
  I mean he doesn't he look homeless now though?
• 24:42
  I mean, he's, he looks a state. He is a state, do you know?
• 24:46
  He's got 2 houses, I think, I think I said this on this
• 24:49
  before, he does. He's got a house that he lives
• 24:51
  in, and then the house next door is just full of models and props
• 24:54
  from Blake, 7 and Doctor Who. I think.
• 24:57
  I think he's quite a funny jesting guy.
• 24:59
  But why don't you just shag him? Well, like maybe a will.
• 25:02
  You won't. We've been.
• 25:04
  Trying a will. Is it always me?
• 25:07
  Because on every bloody thing he goes, well, they always blame
• 25:10
  special effects and I'm like, well, yeah, have a look.
• 25:14
  They're terrible. It's weird, your special effects
• 25:16
  are always shit mate. Yeah, and then look at crawl at
• 25:21
  some point. I suppose we better cut it now.