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Interview With Matt Ericson · Conversations With the Hoff

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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to the 40th episode of Conversations with the Host.
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  SPEAKER_03: Ooh, 40.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm Steve Hoffman, your host, and with me in the studio today is the executive producer of Liberty Crack Media, Trip Detmering.
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  SPEAKER_03: Hello, everybody.
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  SPEAKER_03: We also have a call-in guest, Matt Erickson.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's an American constitutional writer, best known for the case against 101% government.
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  SPEAKER_03: Mr.
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  SPEAKER_03: Erickson argues that a single long-standing misunderstanding about Article 1, Section 8, Clause 17, which is the federal government's enclave powers, created the illusion of a nationwide congressional authority.
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  SPEAKER_03: His work blends historical research with plain language legal analysis, aiming to help citizens see the Constitution as the framers and ratifiers actually wrote it.
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  SPEAKER_03: His broader project focuses on restoring constitutional limits through education rather than elections or activism.
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  SPEAKER_03: He is the founder and president of Patriot Corps, the author of 16 books, and lives in Quincy, Washington.
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  SPEAKER_03: Welcome to Conversation with the Hoff Matt.
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  SPEAKER_01: Good morning, Steve.
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  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Triff, good morning.
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  SPEAKER_03: Good morning.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_03: Before we get into the constitutional stuff, tell us a little bit about your organization, Patriot Corps.
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  SPEAKER_01: Patriot Corps, like Marine Corps or Peace Corps.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's spelled C RPS, but Patriot Corps, right?
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, who is that?
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  SPEAKER_03: That one vice president that called it Corps one time and got real bad press from it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, it's quail or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh it's so it's a I have two different organizations.
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  SPEAKER_01: Patriot Corps is a you know for-profit uh organization.
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  SPEAKER_01: I also have Foundation for Liberty uh at foundationforliberty.org.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's a the nonprofit, but uh I work more under the for-profit just because less paperwork, less involvement, less thing, you know, things that you have to do type of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh although on my website, www.patriotcore c or r-s dot org, uh patriotcore.org has all 16 of them of my books uh available.
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  SPEAKER_01: And you can there's public domain text files for them for AI upload.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's free PDFs that you can read the entire books uh free of charge as long as you don't mind scrolling through a PDF.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um but uh Patrick Core basically, you know, it's basically just me, but it's uh just a way to have you know have a website and uh organize my work there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Do you have an overall mission for that um organization?
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, uh just uh reach everybody I can to have them say, look here, I've I've spent decades and tens of thousands of hours reading, researching, and writing about the Constitution.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I just 35, you know, over 35 years ago, I just start realizing I don't know much about the Constitution, but I didn't like what I saw as this fundamental inversion, which I now call the faithless inversion.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we're definitely gonna talk about that later.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, turning things upside down, inside out, and backwards when everyday federal prince when everyday federal actions appear now to come up against the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: Constitution, which is the Supreme Law of the Land, to which every federal servant must swear a binding oath supports the Constitution, it appears to us that the Constitution folds and those who are our servants act like our political masters.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so things, this inversion didn't make sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I've I knew I had to understand it because today I argue that we have one political problem federally that has a thousand different symptoms, but those symptoms don't really much matter once you're understanding this method of constitutional bypass.
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  SPEAKER_01: You know, how how do these people who you know want to exercise these federal powers, whether they've been appointed or uh elected or you know, just hired, they they act like they act like they can do they have inherent discretion, they can do whatever they please with impunity.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and I uh actually today I argue that we have even yet today the Constitution and therefore the federal power allowable federal powers that the framers and ratifiers gave us so long ago changed only by 27 ratified amendments.
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  SPEAKER_01: Those who exercise delegated federal powers could never change them for direct exercise throughout the country.
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  SPEAKER_01: They only have the power to implement the get the given powers uh using necessary and proper means.
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  unknown: Right.
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  SPEAKER_03: Something else definitely caused a problem.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh you uh you wanted to talk about that particular problem and uh what what your what your position on the constitution is, and you created a a story that's T intersection story.
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  SPEAKER_03: I think that'll help uh better explain to the audience uh what what is the problem, what is the constitutional problem facing us today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So so you hear so often that people say you know this XYZ federal action is unconstitutional, which means that not a single clause of the Constitution can authorize its act that action.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I argue that that's too imprecise, inaccurate, and actually ultimately wrong.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh we we cannot talk first about federal power.
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  SPEAKER_01: It is the Constitution is set up such a way that you must first ask about place.
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  SPEAKER_01: Where is this being exercised?
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  SPEAKER_01: So when you envision yourself on a country, rural country road, you're out in the middle of nowhere, uh, and you're driving down the road and you come up to a T intersection.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh there's a walk wall on the other side of the crossroad there, you know, 20 foot high.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you you know you can't go forward, you're gonna smash in and crunch the car up.
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  SPEAKER_01: You come to the stop sign, and you can either turn right or you can turn left.
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  SPEAKER_01: Now the constitution was set up so 99% roughly of the traffic turned right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh about 99% of the constitution talks about this right path places that you would go to, which is every state of the union, uh throughout you know, all the different parcels of land and you know, whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh and that's where we talk about we act like the Constitution was a straight road and it's the same, exactly the same everywhere.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it's not uh this let me explain that because that sounds a little funny, but the the that right path road is where the normal what I call the normal situation that goes to the whole country, which I call the the big area or the big implement implement implementation area.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's where the little powers enumerated the constitution can be exercised in the big area.
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  SPEAKER_01: So little powers here is not meant to mean inconsequential, but it it's a small list of named powers.
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  SPEAKER_03: So uh you know, the power to coin money and all in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution, the enumerated powers.
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  SPEAKER_01: The enumerated powers, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh now, but however, that left path it goes to the goes to it exposed uh uh opposing extremes.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the left path is covered by Article I, Section Eight that we just talked about, clause 17, though, for the exclusive powers allowed for the district for Congress for the District of Columbia, and like authority over uh purchase uh parcels in each state and used for and seeded and accepted uh by Congress, but uh seeded by state, accepted by Congress, and used for forts, magazines, arsenals, dockyards, and other buildings.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh most federal post offices, courthouses, uh the old lighthouses, stuff like that are these ceded properties, and seeded in this point, I'm saying C C E D E D, so uh that given up.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you have to realize when the states of the Union ratified the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: Constitution into existence so long ago, the fundamental fundamental thing they did was divide allowable governing powers in the country to name federal powers and reserve state powers.
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  SPEAKER_01: But in clause 17, you heard me say about exclusive legislative powers of Congress for these ceded and accepted parcels.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so there's the power there is not divided, it's it's unified, united in Congress, so Congress can exercise them exclusively, and the in the clause 17 says in all cases whatsoever.
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  SPEAKER_01: And though that four-tour term there is important.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh back in in 1766, once Great Britain uh gave up uh basically revoked the uh 1765 Stamp Act because the the British colonists said uh we're not gonna buy all these items that have been imported here that have a duty on them, stamp duty, uh, because they protested saying we, you know, this was just no taxation without representation, uh, you know, basically our own ability to enact our own law.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we have to, in Great Britain on that same day, I think it was March, in March of uh 1766, a full decade before our Declaration of Independence, said that we that the King and Parliament had the absolute power and a divine right to bind the American colonists in all cases whatsoever.
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  SPEAKER_01: They had inherent discretion to do as they please, and the American colonists had no say whatsoever in it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the South Carolina's uh actually 1776 uh constate constitution, they they complained about, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: The opening paragraph said, you know, the talk about the King of Parliament claimed the absolute power and the divine right to bind us in all cases whatsoever against our will and without our consent.
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  SPEAKER_03: And that's a very important thing that you know, against our will and without our consent, you know, it sounds like let me see if I understand this.
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  SPEAKER_03: You're saying that exclusive legislation only applies inside federal territory, not the entire 50 states.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it's not federal territory.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, federal territories uh is a different that's article four article four, section three, clause two of the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: Constitution, a territory of land that's going to become a state, you know, like the the territories northwest of the River Ohio uh in 1787, uh the Northwest Ordinance, where the states that became Minnesota and Ohio and whatnot.
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  SPEAKER_03: So where territory exclusive legislation apply then?
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: The exclusive legislation uh jurisdiction applies on parcels that have been ceded, again, C E D E D and accepted by Congress and used for District of Columbia in the first instance, and the other instance, forks, magazines, arsenals, stockyards, and other people.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there's actually only about like 20% of the armed bases in the U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: are this ceded accepted property, this exclusive legislative property.
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  SPEAKER_01: But uh there's like 3,800 post offices uh throughout the country that have that have this property.
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  SPEAKER_01: Many military, like I say, the many, many military farms, uh forts, uh courthouses, things like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the the state legislature legislature that governs a parcel has to say, we're willing to give this up to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh you know, the Constitution speaks of purchase and acceptance, a purchase of the consent of the state legislature.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the state decides, are we going to give up governing authority over this parcel and give it to Congress?
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  SPEAKER_01: And so in these in these small little federal enclaves, just think of it like a Florida embassy back in Washington, D.C.
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  SPEAKER_01: or something.
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  SPEAKER_01: If that German embassy in DC, you know, that state laws and U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: laws don't apply there.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's the same thing in these ceded parcels.
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  SPEAKER_01: State laws don't apply there.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: You know, so a key point then would be that exclusive legislation does not apply to the 50 states.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's that does not grant nationwide legislative authority.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yet so you have to realize that Congress in these uh exclusive legislative parcels, you know, they they members act uh in place of a state there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because you know, you still have to have like you still have to make uh murder and robbery and stuff like that crimes, but you know, the express federal criminal jurisdiction for the whole country is only for treat uh three three different cases, treason, uh piracies and fellies committed on the high seas office against the law of nations, and uh also then counterfeiting the securities and current corner of the United States.
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  SPEAKER_01: You could talk about impeachments is there, that's also crime, but that's just for uh political punishment, not judicial punishment, but uh three main cases.
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  SPEAKER_01: But you know, like I say, so Congress, and you have to realize that you know, under Article I of the Constitution, only states elect U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: senators and U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: representatives.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Article 4, Section 4, you know, the United States guarantees guarantee to every state of the Union a Republican form of government.
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  SPEAKER_01: That's going back to that legislative representation that actually the Declaration of Independence calls a right inestimable, inestimable to the to the people, and calls for relinquishment are formidable to tyrants only.
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  SPEAKER_01: So legislative representation, for me to be able to uh elect my representatives who represent us and enact law according to their delegated powers that we've allowed them is guaranteed to every state of the union, but the district club is not a state, and so that's where everything comes out is they have this this T intersection, is you know, we're living Alexander Hamilton's legacy today of big government.
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  SPEAKER_03: Is that the right turn or the left turn?
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  SPEAKER_01: That's the right.
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  SPEAKER_01: Well, see, he he wanted big government.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right, he wanted big government.
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  SPEAKER_01: He wanted so at the 1787 Constitutional Convention uh on uh I think it was May 18th, you can read through uh James Madison's notes of the convention, but he taught Hamilton wanted uh opposite type of uh of uh constitution that they were drafted.
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  SPEAKER_01: He wanted three main things.
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  SPEAKER_01: He wanted first members of Congress inherent power to do whatever they wanted, except for his constitution would deny, which his set his constitution would be uh basically a set of negative prohibitions allowing members to do everything else.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so he wanted to he wanted to first give Congress inherent power, second, he wanted to abolish the states or mostly them as mere geographic subdivisions of a national domain.
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  SPEAKER_03: So much for state sovereignty with him, huh?
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right, right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and third, he wanted to give life terms to U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: presidents and U.S.
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  SPEAKER_01: senators, or at least allow them to uh to exercise their powers during good behavior, the same standard for judges, anyhow.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_01: But uh so with those three things, he could put in this big government.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_01: But you have to realize he got two out of the three of those for the District of Columbia.
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  SPEAKER_01: There's no state involvement.
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  SPEAKER_01: Congress exercises exclusively in all cases whatsoever in the District of Columbia, and no state has any say there.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so you have to go back then and say inherit discretion too, because Congress can act exclusively in all cases whatsoever and act like a state would, but there's no state constitution, there's no district constitution that applies to in in District Columbia, so they have a blank slate from which they can draft inherent powers.
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  SPEAKER_03: Let me interrupt you for a second here.
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  SPEAKER_03: Sure, you bet.
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  SPEAKER_03: Even though Hamilton didn't get his way, it looks to me like eventually he got his way.
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  SPEAKER_03: I mean today Look at the look at the federal government today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: And see, that's that's what he's okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: So he and then uh as Secretary of the Treasury in 1791, he pushed for his bank in the United States.
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  SPEAKER_01: And that's the seed that was planted there to kind of exercise these these what I call these big powers that are good only for the little areas, that that left turn at the T intersection, he wanted to uh to do this throughout the whole country.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so he started planting seeds for an incremental approach that would ignore that T intersection.
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  SPEAKER_01: And his his uh progeny, Chief Justice John Marshall, helped put Hamilton's perspective of using these allowed special powers beyond geographical boundaries.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so it's it's this false extension of allowed special powers beyond their right their proper geographic jurisdiction.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's what's called form substitution.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's it's substituting the Republican form of government's guaranteed guaranteed to every state of the Union with this inherent tyranny where they have a blank slate and they they can do anything they want, basically, except for those few things that are expressed and prohibited, like in the First Amendment.
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  SPEAKER_01: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
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  SPEAKER_01: So even the District of Columbia, Congress cannot establish a state church or district church or whatever you say and say this is the church here.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that expressed prohibition.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if you make that right turn, you're headed towards excessive government overreach, which will result eventually in tyranny.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the right turn is in in my T intersection story is is the path to name powers implemented using necessary and proper means through every square foot of American soil.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: And now so you have so you have to say the right path powers, because they were uh enacted and ratified, you know, ratified by every state of the union.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh we're gonna give these powers to the to Congress and the President and the courts, can be exercised everywhere in the country, including seeded parcels, the exclusive legislative parcels, but never do the right path principles limit what can be done on that left path tyranny.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, but the left path, left path actions cannot be performed in the whole area that right turn in in the big open place.
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  SPEAKER_01: You cannot exercise big powers in the big implementation area directly.
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  SPEAKER_01: They've been doing it indirectly because we've been arguing the wrong thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: And one more thing about that left path.
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  SPEAKER_01: I want to explain too that since the District of Columbia is not a state, you know, it's not guaranteed that Republican form of government, but there it there is no legislative representation in the District of Columbia.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the 10th Amendment does not apply there because Maryland, when it gave up its land that's used for the what's left of the District of Columbia, that area not to see exceed 10 miles square, a diamond-shaped area, it gave up all of it, it gave up its ability to govern there completely.
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  SPEAKER_01: It did not reserve even the power to serve legal process, uh like court, you know, uh uh summons complaint, things like that.
• 23:06
  SPEAKER_01: It so there's no powers that can be reserved for the state and for the 10th amendment to even come into play.
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  SPEAKER_01: So there is no, since there's no legislative representation in District Columbia, then Congress can.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_01: Delegate their exclusive legislative powers to American presidents or bureaucrats, alphabet agencies, everything that you don't like, about 95% of federal action is being done under the under this legitimate constitutional left path powers, but it's being falsely extended into right path area.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's this false substitution, uh the false extension of allowed special powers beyond allowable geographic boundaries.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_01: Period.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_03: So is either only one is either path gonna lead us to the original intent of the Constitution to have limited government?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_01: So we have the right path, the right path is is still there.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: So basically, uh Chief Justice John Marshall in his 1803 uh Marbury versus Madison and 1819 McCullough versus Maryland and 1821 Coach versus Virginia set up this what he basically ultimately built uh or developed over time would be basically an overpass over that T intersection so traffic would be routed.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Something different than what the you know the so the co the frame of the constitution ultimately said you have two opposing sets of powers.
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_01: You have this right path, same powers exercise using necessary proper mean, left path, you can do anything you want except for as expressly prohibited.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_01: But you have to before you talk about power, you have to talk about place so you know which standard uses because they cannot be intermixed.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_02: Well, you now that you've pointed out that we're addicted to this falsehood, you have a 12-step process to restore this?
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_02: Uh 21-step process.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_02: 21-step step.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_02: I I'm sorry, I'm I'm used to the other addictions that have 12 steps.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: There you go.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, there we go.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I like that.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: I never thought of that.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: I should probably try to pair it down to 12 steps.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_05: You're welcome to do that.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_01: So, yes, my my my roar path fame framework, roar like lion roar, uh path, uh, and that is stands for pathway to restore American Republic.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's a so this gets this is a very simple concept that gets very convoluted, very intense, very quickly.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: So the like I say, the basic level, this false extension of allowed special powers beyond proper geographic boundaries, period.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: But uh so anyhow, WarPath is to be designed to train an artificial intelligence platform like Chat GPT, Chat GPT or Grok or Gemini uh co-pilot, things like that, is to first okay, so step one it gets uh this is a you can go to my website, patriotcore.org, and and get the there's a little red button there, uh a couple inches long, inch wide or inch high, and it says you know, the 21-step war path framework.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_03: It was very easy to access.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_03: Even when I went to Microsoft Co-Pilot, I said, tell me about WarPath, and it laid out all 21 steps for me.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_03: So anybody can access that uh 21 steps pretty easily.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it right, it is a public domain document.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: Uh you can find it at archive.org.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: You uh look at look up Matt Erickson and Warpath steps, and uh don't look under, make sure it's not under the Wayback Machine, but under their main search bar, and it should bring it up for you.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_01: But uh it's it's designed to give AI a constitutional viewing lens that basically the framers would have given us uh viewing the constitution uh from a strict construction viewpoint.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I argue actually that there is no progressive interpretation, uh there is only strict construction of the constitution, and actually the progressives and liberals are are defining things so strictly that strict constructionists don't understand what's going on.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: So again, so how are they extending these allowed special powers beyond proper geographical boundaries?
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Let me go back away from WordPress for just a second and explain.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: So Article 6 of the Constitution, you know, so Article 1 talks about the legislative powers of Congress, Article 2 talks about the executive powers given the president, article three is the judicial powers given the courts, article four talks about the states, uh Article V talks about, of course, amending the Constitution, Article VI or Article 7 then talks about ratification of the Constitution, but Article 6 gives us uh that federal debts under the Articles of Confederation passed along to the to the uh United States under the Constitution that was being created, but also talks about uh the Supreme Law of the Land, the supremacy clause, and also gave the required oath for uh all members of Congress and federal and state officials had to swore this oath, the biding oath to support the Constitution, which binds them to its terms.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: But Article 6 says this Constitution and the laws of the United States, which will be made in pursuance thereof, and all treaties made under the authority basically of the United States, should be the supreme law of the land, and that binds the states to their judges.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: So this supremacy clause says that the laws of the United States that are that are enacted in pursuance of the Constitution or the Supreme Land, okay, but in that clause, there is no express exemption for clause 17.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: Is clause 17 of Article 8 of I mean of our uh section eight of the Article 1.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is that part of this constitution?
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, it's the 17th Clause 8 section of the first article.
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  SPEAKER_01: It appears that the strictest letter of the Constitution will allow the states to be bound against their will by even the exclusive legislative powers of Congress.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Now that's not that's a false statement, but it appears to be.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: The spirit of the Constitution would say, oh, wait, wait, the biggest important most important thing here isn't that in one or two cases out of 10,000 can the can the exclusive legislative powers of Congress bind the states?
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_01: It's what about the 9,998 cases where the standard, you know, the the rule, we're not going to look at the exceptions of the rules, hopefully.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_01: The rule is that all these cases, you know, it's not buying the states because, you know, just like Russian laws where I'm at don't bind South Carolina and or vice versa, well, neither do the exclusive legislative laws of Congress bind the states either.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_01: In the 90, you know, I say 99.99% of the time, they don't, because otherwise it interfere with the reserve powers of states, and basically the states would be mere geographic subdivisions in the national domain, just like Hamilton wanted.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so Chief Justice John Marshall kind of took twisted this Supreme Law of the Land Supremacy Clause to where the states can be bound.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_01: This is back in 1821, Cohen's vs.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Virginia, so 200 years ago, that could be bound by exclusive exclusive legislation.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_01: So we have to understand what's going on, but it I say it gets so complicated that you know I have 16 books, like I say, they all you can all have they all have public domain text files for AI upload.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um you can have eight there's HTML uh files for five of the books that are in the Roarpath framework, the 21 steps.
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: So it sounds to me like uh a lot of the problem goes back to 1821.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_03: That's pretty bad.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_01: Right by 1820.
• 31:05
  SPEAKER_03: So we've been indoctrinated for over a century.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_01: Two centuries.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: No, so so uh what they actually it still right it stemmed from 1791 Bank of the United States opinion by Treasury Secretary Alexander Hamilton, but that didn't really get into official court lore until incrementally 1803, 1819, by but by 1821, the seeds were fully planted, and we're just incrementally a step beyond it.
• 31:34
  SPEAKER_01: So we we don't want to try everybody wants to just try and make things better than they are today.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: No, you cannot concede the 200 years of false extension of allowed special powers beyond allowed and make that be the starting point.
• 31:47
  SPEAKER_01: We must go back and wipe off wipe the slate off.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so we have the Constitution sitting on the table and 200 years of garbage piled up over it.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_01: We've got to push all that garbage off, and that's why so the Roar Path, the full uh meaning of Roar Path is the pathway to permanently restore American Republic outside the election process almost overnight.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_01: And so we can do that.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_01: And people say almost overnight.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: What do you mean?
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: No, we have to.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_01: Please tell us how we can do that.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_03: How do we restore the Republic?
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_01: So my job is that of the job total in Wizard of Oz is to sniff out the source of stench, pull them back the curtain, and bark like crazy, draw attention.
• 32:30
  SPEAKER_01: Only that matters is the guy behind the curtain quit following the dictates of this magnified image, bellowing thunderous hot air in a forbidding manner.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it does not you can't kill it because it does not exist.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: You can't attack it, you can't grab it.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's a it's a phantom, it's a figment of our imagination that we have to look behind the curtain to a real person and say, Oh, basically, war so my 21-step war path frame, we're using AI to train it, my content, my you know, say I've got five books, but first we have to do a constitutional uh uh viewing lens, we have to dial it in for AI because they can't really see the evidence.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_01: They remember go back to the T intersection that that Marshall built this overpass and basically a turnpike.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_01: You put up high sound walls, so you can't see once you you know this this old T intersection is now an off-ramp to this turnpike that they've created over the last 200 years, where once you get on once you get on that turnpike, you you can't see that old T intersection.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_01: So you've got to you've got to find that T intersection.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_01: So the 21-step war path framework is for the AI platforms that are already on the turnpike, and they look at 200 years of press court precedent, and they try and got to explain the Constitution uh versus, you know, so they have to look at, well, you look, you say I see all this, you know, tyranny, uh, you know, all these court cases, uh, you know, that the how far down they are at on the length of that turnpike does not negate the T intersection.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_01: None of them address that the right path powers, left path powers is false extension.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_01: So we have to dial in the that's great.
• 34:17
  SPEAKER_03: Let me let me interrupt you there.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_03: So if our listeners want to know what the roar path process is, they can always go to your your website and they can look at the 21 steps.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_03: But but you've also uh been writing some pretty good books about the what the problem is.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_03: And two of those are the case against the 101% government, and the other one is abolition, abol uh abolishing the faithless uh what's it called?
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: Inversion.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: Inversion.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_03: What what key points what key points should our uh should our listeners take from those two books?
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, uh so the uh in 20 uh uh on January 31st of 2026, this year, I finished writing the case against 101% government.
• 35:03
  SPEAKER_01: And uh so on on February 1st, I asked AI to simplify it so I'd have like a book for you know, kind of with a ninth grade reading level.
• 35:17
  SPEAKER_01: It's a thin book to begin with, but it's it gets into the weeds pretty quick.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: And so I wanted to, you know, hey, can you simplify it?
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: And so I have two options available.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, very quickly I found out that AI can can understand my process and framework pretty quick if you give it if you give it a little head start.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: If you so we have to, so let's say we're on Google Earth and we're zoomed in on on my street level here in Quincy, Washington, and you know, I know where it is, and so when I see on my desktop or laptop that, you know, okay, oh there's my house, you know.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_01: But you walk in, like I say, I I bring my uh laptop to you and show you, you're not gonna know where that is.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_01: So I have to zoom Google Earth way back out, basically, probably to the continent level, and say, Oh, there's North America.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, now you've got your bearings, and you start zooming in.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, there's the United States, oh, there's Washington State, oh, Grant County, County Quincy, you know, and on.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then you can kind of follow where I are where I am because you know a map of the United States, some, and you know, but that's the same thing Warpath does, and and I I developed it early on in February with the help of AI, uh, and ultimately I, you know, over the last 35 years, I've got probably 35,000 hours of effort into reading, research, and writing this, and in uh this whole, you know, on this kick to try and understand our birthright so we can reclaim it.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: And I got blown away when I saw what AI can do.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: It could it can be a constitutional tutor if you give it the right viewing lands, it give it the right information.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_01: It can walk anybody, no matter their starting point, whatever whatever speed they can proceed, and they can walk through the entire constitution from the first con uh first principle's perspective.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: They can go through issues of federal overreach that you say make sense of this for me.
• 37:19
  SPEAKER_01: They can go through my books, uh that these five of my books are uploaded in that uh the abolishing the faithless inversion with RORPATH.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's get back to that inversion.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's step 11.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it provides the on-ramp to the to the next book of the RORPAS uh series, which is the case against 101% government in step 12.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: But it the the premise uh is is given in step 12.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: The one the case against 101% government of it's section one of that book looks at the present.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: Where are we today?
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_01: Then section two looks back at history and say, you know, the past, how did we get here?
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_01: And then section three looks at the future, where do we go from there?
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a thin book, but it's very, very intense.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_03: So Mr.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_03: Erickson, tell us tell us what the faithless inversion actually is.
• 38:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it's the inverting inside out, upside down, backwards of it's Hamilton and Marshall's method to bypass the Constitution.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: And the only place the Constitution is allows itself to be bypassed is for areas that aren't uh basically the states.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_01: And that's again, so where Congress can exercise exclusive legislation in all cases whatsoever, and it's inverting our principles upside down by the by holding that basically even clause 17 binds the states because it's part of the cost this constitution.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_01: But also we the people or or an individual state, all they have to do is understand you know that the wizard is not all powerful.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_01: No, nothing that any federal servant has ever done, or all of them together have ever done, have ever changed the constitution in any way, shape, or form, period.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: They can they can only exercise their named powers using necessary and proper means directly throughout the state.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: Or they could go on the left path and in and in ceded and accepted parcels, they can do their inherent authority.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: All that 95% of federal action is legitimate in exclusive legislative areas or on those parcels that have been seeded accepted by the federal government.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_03: I I got out of it the hierarchy.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_03: Right now, as far as our federal government is concerned, the hierarchy of importance is the federal government, next to states, and then the individual.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_03: Where in reality the our founding fathers wrote this constitution so that the the people would be on top, and then the sovereign states, and then finally the federal government.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'll just throw a little bit different.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: I say you look at the Declaration of Independence, and it it it it points to God.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're we're God's on top, and he has you know allowed us to be created, but he gives us unable rights, those rights which are not separable that are inseparable, but inseparable from us that are inherent with us in us.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness, and you could have property in there.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um those are those rights predeceed pre there they precede government.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: But yes, at this we the people create the states, the states create the U.S.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_01: government, the states are the principles to the constitutional compact, the states decide which powers to give Congress, the president, and the courts.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_01: The states are the principles.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_01: So just like if you're you're a real estate agent, you know, and uh I hire you to sell my house, I'm the principal, I make the decisions, you help me.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: You don't get an overwrite, you mean say, hey, ooh, to get this sale, I'm gonna add in my client's car and his pickup, you know, and his bulk.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds good.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_03: So we're kind of running out of time, uh, Mr.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_03: Erickson.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm afraid.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'd like I'd like to thank you for being a guest on Conversations with the Hoff.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_03: And uh um we we I want to let our listeners know again that you can learn about his books and stuff on www.patriotcores.org.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_03: And obviously, Mr.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_03: Erickson has a somewhat unique interpretation of the U.S.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_03: Constitution.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_03: And while many of my listeners may disagree with his interpretations, most of us would agree that today we have an out-of-control federal government overreaching its constitutional authority.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_03: Over-regulation, overspending have led this country down a destructive path.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_03: And I think if our founding fathers were alive today, they'd probably say, What the hell are you people doing?
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_03: Uh also I'm uh I think that Mr.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_03: Erickson would would agree when you hear the Hoff say, less government, more freedom, and less government, more prosperity.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_03: So thanks for listening.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_03: And now a word from our glorious leader and executive producer of Liberty Crack Media, Trip Detmering.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_02: Hey everybody, uh, this has been another wonderful uh conversations with the Hoff, dropping every Thursday.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: So don't miss an episode.
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_02: And we want to thank our guest to today.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_02: Uh he has a wonderful uh amount of reading for everybody to do.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_02: Go to patriotcore.org.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_02: You will find all the links down in our um in our section here for the uh for this episode.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_02: And hopefully uh we will keep you on really after the uh the interviews so we can talk to you just a little bit more before we leave.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_02: But this has been another wonderful conversations with the hall.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_04: Hello leaning close.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_04: Got a question like off the glow from campus quad to the capital steps talking to the all steps.