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Is the CCP Secretly Involved in the Hamas Attack... and is the US Next? — Jeff Nyquist Interview · Man in America Podcast

• 1:33
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to man in America. I'm your host, Seth Holehouse. This past weekend, I'm sure that if you've been paying attention to social media feeds and the news coverage, we've seen horrific images coming out of Israel. And what it looks like is a very deadly attack. We're seeing, Hamas and and, you know, Palestinian soldiers, you know, killing.
• 1:57
  We we just it's it's frightening. I mean, it's it's real footage of war. And I'm always cautious when I see that something like this happens, like the the war breaking out over there. I really try to sit back and observe and I don't know where to put my final opinion and I really am trying to understand what the situation is over there because on one hand, see, yes, these images coming out, which is terrible, families being killed. You see this another narrative which is saying that, well, this is what Israel's been doing to the Palestinians.
• 2:36
  You know, the the children have been killed there. There's there's layers of misinformation. There are these videos going around of these children in cages. They're saying that, oh, these children are being put into cages. These are the Israeli children.
• 2:47
  But actually, they was it was shown actually that the videos were Palestinian children in Israeli cages. And so the point I'm making, not drawing a specific conclusion here. I'm just saying that it's the fog of war. And there are layers and layers and layers of misinformation. And where my mind goes, though, is what's the bigger picture of this?
• 3:11
  Because you've got a lot of people really left and right in America all standing for, Israel, you know, like very, very strongly saying, look, time to flatten, let's pave Palestine, etcetera, which is interesting to me whenever I see that there's the left and the right aligning on an issue. It just makes me think, okay, what's really going on here? And so joining us today is a good friend of mine, Jeff Nyquist. Now Jeff has been on the show many times before. He's one of the most learned people that I know when it comes to understanding communism.
• 3:47
  And there's a video which we'll be playing, you know, into the interview today of Miles Guo, the the CCP defector, where he's talking about this is back about a year ago saying that the CCP wants a war in The Middle East. And so that's what I'm trying to understand here is because if you look at how everything is aligning, you have the, you know, Ukraine war, which, you know, Russia Russia you know, with China, then you have NATO in The United States, and we're sending all this money over there, which a lot of it's being laundered. We know that it's a human trafficking hub, And, you know, this money is coming back to the politicians in America. It's all mixed up, but there's also innocent people in Ukraine that are being killed, and that's that's also a fact. And there's also Russians.
• 4:31
  The same thing have happened to in the Donbas region, etcetera, where the the Russian, you know, speaking were being killed by the Ukrainian soldiers. And it's just it's so so complicated that I don't think that we should quickly jump to sides and say, they're good and they're evil because there's much larger situations at play here. And so why I wanted to have Jeff on and have this exact discussion with him is understand how does the war in The Middle East benefit the Chinese Communist Party? How does this push forward a communist goals globally? How does it tie into that?
• 5:09
  You know, we've with Jeff specifically, we've talked quite a bit about China's final war, about the CCP wanting to eventually attack America and bring down America. That's and this is not a conspiracy. This is a very published plan that you can read about, and you can see that, yeah, there's actually some very real groundwork has been laid, and a lot of the cultural Marxism and the destruction we've seen in our country has come in fact by the communists. So it's part of a long term plan for them. And so understanding how the war in Israel plays into that I think is very important.
• 5:44
  So this this interview is not going to be a detailed analysis of Hamas and Israel and footage of the war, what's happening on the ground. It's taking a step back and seeing how is this affecting the overall geopolitical chessboard that we're that we're living in right now. And then we're also we looking at how does the border play into this because I'm seeing as we'll share in the interview, a lot of warnings coming out saying that there are Hamas terror cells that are coming across the border, and that the reaction of America becoming instantly very pro Israel is gonna become a great excuse to activate these terror cells in America. So we have to understand that we're not just fighting Hamas here. This is Iran.
• 6:34
  This is, you know, China. I'm sure that Russia. This is a a big battle waging right now. So I hope this interview is helpful for you in understanding more of this. And while I don't necessarily agree with everything that Jeff presents, I mean, he and I have different opinions about some of the things that are happening in Ukraine.
• 6:54
  And I think it's, again, it's messy. It's not that one of us is right, one of us is wrong, that there's just so many layers to this. But I do think that a lot of the historical knowledge and a lot of the the defector literature and information that Jeff has is useful for us to understand what this war means, what could come next, and what life in America could be if these next layers of plans, are carried out. So folks, enjoy this interview with Jeff Nyquist. Jeff, it's it's been quite a while.
• 7:24
  Thank you for coming back on the show.
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me.
• 7:29
  Seth Holehouse: There's a lot to talk about, and it's interesting because, you know, we had you scheduled to come on, you know, a week ago. And since, you know, obviously, in that past couple of days, we've had just a massive war breaking out over in Israel with Palestine Israel, the Hamas. Mean, it's a messy situation. And similar to a lot of the events that have happened in the world the past couple of years, you see just these layers and layers of different narratives from different angles. And so it's just I'm looking forward to getting your analysis not only on what's happening, in the Israel region, but also how this relates to the CCP, how it relates to, the the war in Ukraine.
• 8:15
  What's what's the bigger picture of what's what's happening here?
• 8:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's it's all interconnected because Hamas, like Hezbollah, is connected to Iran, Russia, the Muslim Brotherhood, radical Islam, you know, Iran, and China. All these countries are kind of you could call them the the anti Western, you know, alliance or the the communist bloc or the communist Islamic bloc. And so when when one of them acts, they all obviously you would expect they coordinate because Hamas is a terrorist organization. It is supported by these other countries, especially by Iran and Russia has Well, the communist movement supports them.
• 9:13
  So if you you were to talk to a communist activist, he might tell you he's just been in a meeting with some other communist activists from Venezuela and people from Hamas were there. Right? Even though they're Muslims and you think, well, Muslims, you know, communists are atheists and Muslims believe in Allah. How can that work? But since they're in an anti imperialist alliance, as they call it anti imperialism, anti Western, it makes sense to them.
• 9:42
  The timing is interesting. Of course, it's a little bit past fifty years since the Yom Kippur War, which was an attack done on a on a high holy day, right on a on a religious observed weekend or a holiday weekend, and that achieved surprise. Israeli intelligence, military and the Mossad were caught off guard. The government, the military were caught off guard. This happened again this time.
• 10:13
  Of course, the scale of the attack is not as big as 1973. We're talking about a kind of a terrorist army. We're talking about irregular warfare. So these aren't divisions and brigades slamming into defensive lines, with their support. I should have turned off my phone.
• 10:37
  Sorry about that. I apologize. And I don't usually get calls, but whenever. So anyway, timing is interesting because you have a war going on in Ukraine. You've got the Chinese talking about attacking or blockading Taiwan.
• 10:58
  And if you if I go back to the sources that I've had from Asia, from Russia over the last three years, it was when the pandemic was first, you know, in its intense first moment. I was my Russian source that I had that that since died said basically the Chinese would like a war in The Middle East. They would like a war in The Middle East now to give them cover for what they want to do in the Pacific. And of course, there were sources in Southeast Asia, the communist countries, Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, that were saying, look, our government has been informed that Russia and China are going to do a series of steps leading to thunderous war. So so this was very alarming to hear this at the beginning of the pandemic and that it was and what my Russian sources were saying was that China was pushing Russia to go with them sooner rather than later.
• 12:08
  And Russia was saying, we're not ready. We're not ready. Of course, we can see Russia is not was not ready then, was not even ready when they attacked Ukraine. They were having difficulties getting ready. And of course, the ideal thing would be if you're China and you want to confront The United States and you want to make a big military move, you'd like to see The United States tied up in the Middle East because there's the all the oil there, that vital lifeline that supplies America's allies.
• 12:37
  And you would want to see NATO tied down in Europe, in the Balkans, in the with the war in Ukraine. You want to see them all tied down because then that gives China the optimal chances to have a successful action, whether it's the blockade of Taiwan, invasion of Taiwan, or whatever it is they're contemplating doing.
• 12:59
  Seth Holehouse: Which makes a lot of sense. Now, there's a video I want to play quickly that just have maybe twenty, thirty seconds. This is from Miles Guo, who has been, I think, very central to a lot of information leaking out of China, especially the high level information. You know, I've talked a lot about what him and his media have have released. So this isn't a video that came out.
• 13:21
  This is shared by by Eva, who's who's part of the new feder New Federation of China. She works with Miles Guo. This is a video that she posted, and she was saying that Miles Guo warning to the West on the CCP's war plan in The Middle East on on on August 20 or on 08/05/2022, he said, quote, the CCP wanted to spark war throughout East Europe and then another war in The Middle East. So I'll play just the first twenty seconds of this.
• 13:49
  Speaker 3: Mhmm. After this event in Taiwan, what did CCP plan to do? Most likely, it will start a war in The Middle East. The Russia Ukraine war truly pissed the West. The CCP wanted to spark the war throughout East Europe.
• 14:02
  Then another war in The Middle East. Then Europe will be in hell. The major issue in Europe is the oil and gas.
• 14:11
  Seth Holehouse: So he gets into some of the details there, but so, obviously, from if you're looking at the the geopolitical chess game of this, and we we know there's been a lot of leaked information and just other information that shows that, you know, China, really the the the the communist bloc really kind of centered in China, once America done, you know, once needs needs the farmland. I mean, going back to general Qi Haochen's speech and so much other information. And so when you look at what's happened with Israel and you look at, you know, a lot of especially the politicians, both sides of the aisle instantly jumping to, like, we need to withdraw our full support into Israel. You know, you made a good point, though, of Ukraine has pulled NATO into it. If if The Middle East now pulls The United States back into it, it's the perfect geopolitical chess move, if America is the enemy.
• 15:09
  And so do you think that the CCP is just benefiting from what's happening in The Middle East or right now, or do you think that they were intimately involved with pushing things in the situation that they are right now?
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Well, that's hard to say, of course. I mean, given what I was told three years ago, this is the kind of thing they want to see. But the problem is that a terrorist armies in a terrorist attack of this scale, although it's frightful, I think the death toll I saw this morning was 700 Israelis dead, hostages taken. The problem is it's not a full scale conventional war like you have in Ukraine. And how long can it really last?
• 15:58
  Know, 5,000 rockets, so that's impressive. Unless there's something that follows this, and there could be, that that intensifies it, that makes it that makes an enlarged war out of it, it's not gonna be sufficient to help China or Russia for that matter because Russia gets a benefit from this, too. Russia's active measures have been focused on getting conservatives who are usually the hawks. Right? They're usually the hawks.
• 16:31
  We've this weird situation where people have been pro Russia and pro left, pro communist all their lives. You know, Joe Biden, who was basically put into the United States Senate by the Council for a Livable World and Arm and Hammer Communist Front organizations operated Moscow, by the way, not by Beijing, who would go to Moscow and say, I'm your guy, but just don't you know, I just have to make anti communist noises. And that's in the Bukowski file, for example. Moscow has a thick file on Joe Biden. And so Joe Biden knows where his bread is buttered.
• 17:07
  So when Joe Biden see conservatives, they believe everything Joe Biden says is a lie. When Joe Biden postures as a patriot or that he loves America, they say he's lying. But when Joe Biden says he's for Ukraine, they think he's telling the truth. There's an inconsistency there in conservatives. And so the Russians have focused on their active measures.
• 17:27
  And I've watched people who are obvious Russian agents on the right, you know, giving these talking points which are right off of Russian TV and conservatives slowly giving way to those talking points to where you have the removal of Speaker McCarthy this past week and a shift in the It was at the moment. It's funny. McCarthy was removed at that moment that the Republican caucus became majority against supporting Ukraine. I found that interesting. And so the reason this is important is is that when you have things moving in the direction you want, if you're Moscow and you're allied with Beijing and they are allied, they've talked about it, if you have things going your way, you want to seal the deal.
• 18:21
  So if you have Israel come under attack and, of course, you're not going to find any Republican, well, maybe a couple who are against supporting Israel, you're going to say, well, we only have so much bandwidth in terms of military assistance, and we need to give it all to Israel. And that just sort of sinks Ukraine in terms of American assistance. And then you've got Britain announcing that Britain can't send any more weapons to Ukraine. You have Poland saying we can only give obsolete weapons to Ukraine. And suddenly the money and the support for Ukraine is drying up.
• 18:56
  And Ukraine is in a full blown conventional war, very expensive with the Russian military. And China has been very frustrated by this too because China needs the Russian army on the border of NATO, right? Not in Ukraine, not stuck in Ukraine, but on the border of NATO with their tactical nuclear weapons, with their formations refreshed and ready to cause a new adventure or at least the threat that ties down American troops in Romania and Poland and the Baltic States. Because if the Russian army suddenly gets through Ukraine and is on that border, America has to send its reserves to Europe because Europe will be in a flat panic. And so the Middle East, of course, sends naval assets.
• 19:46
  Right? You send aircraft carriers. You send air assets to Diego Garcia like b 50 twos. Although, that isn't the right position for defending the Pacific.
• 19:57
  Seth Holehouse: Hey, folks. I've got a quick message for you. So I'm sure you've heard a lot of people, myself included, talking about the importance of buying precious metals, gold and silver. But what's really behind that? Is it just a thing of, hey, buy this gold, buy this silver.
• 20:11
  Right? Or is there something deeper that we should be looking at? So I recently came across some figures about house prices. So in 1930, the average family home was approximately $4,000. Fast forward to 2023, the average family home is just over $400,000.
• 20:28
  So you have to ask yourself, why is that? Is it because things have just gotten more expensive? No, it's actually because the dollar has lost 99% of its value since 1930. Right? When people talk about the collapse of the dollar or inflation, this is what it means.
• 20:42
  Now, let's take a look at gold. So in 1930, if you wanted to purchase your home in gold, it would take approximately 200 gold coins. So 200 gold coins would purchase the average family home in 1930, about $4,000. Now, if you instead of buying a home with that gold or cash, you set those aside. If you set aside $4,000 in cash in 1930, it would be worth $4,000 today.
• 21:09
  What can you buy with $4,000? Can you buy a family home? No, you can't even buy a crappy used car. But if you set aside $4,000 worth of gold coins in 1930, which is 200 gold coins, 1 ounce coins, that would be worth approximately $400,000 today. And this is the key lesson about precious metals.
• 21:31
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• 22:10
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• 22:22
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• 23:03
  Speaker 2: So you can see there's logic and forgot the other detail. Taiwan has been reporting that there's a renewal of the buildup opposite Taiwan, that that China is increasing its troop strengths. And, of course, they held an exercise. And they have they have caught you may have seen this online. They have caught the Chinese have somehow dummied up the transponders on their RoRo ships so that they can make them appear there where they're not.
• 23:36
  And yet they did an exercise where this RoRo ship is coming towards Taiwan, but we're tracking it. It's it's way up in the Far North near the Northern Coast of China. It's not down by Taiwan. So they're they're creating the mechanisms for surprise attack, surprise movements of things that won't be detected or at least will spoof people. So China continues to try to perfect the system, even though military experts look at this and say China's never successfully did an opposed amphibious invasion.
• 24:12
  They doubt they have the skill to coordinate airline and sea elements together in an invasion. Mr. Wang of Luda Media told me last year that the plan was not to invade Taiwan but to blockade it, but that they were going to invade other islands. They were going to invade if they could all the way up to the second island chain and negotiating all the way. And there's also this talk, which Doctor.
• 24:48
  Li Mingyuan and Mr. Wang have talked about, that they've got they've the Chinese have created the code words for a strike against Japan, The United States and Taiwan in which their strategic rocket forces have a surprise code word. And that the target is the U. S. Fleet.
• 25:09
  You know, so it's like and you know what I when I interviewed Mr. Wang, I tried to pin him down on this. Are they going to nuke The United States or are they going to nuke the Navy? And he what he seemed to say is, well, if you don't give them what they want in the negotiations, but they're going to try to scare you out of it first. They're gonna try to push you out.
• 25:37
  And and he specifically said, push us out of defending South Korea and Japan, not just Taiwan. So in other words, giving up all of North Asia to China's sphere of influence. And it's incredible to think that how could this be leveraged? But then again, we're seeing this shift where all the nations that were supporting Ukraine have been shifting away from even Poland. Right.
• 26:07
  Which is shocking. But it's like, do they have the agency? Do they have influence in these countries and economic leverage to change the politics in the countries that would oppose these kind of things? I think the communist, you know, in historically, the Russians and the communist bloc have been somewhat poor at actual warfare. You know, you look at World War Two, the Soviet Union suffered disproportionate casualties, lost many battles.
• 26:40
  The Soviet Finnish War in 1939 to early nineteen forty, massive Russian casualties, tiny Finland beating back these enormous Russian attacks. And of course, now we see in Ukraine, in the Vietnam War, the Tet Offensive was a terrible failure for the communists. The Easter Offensive was a horrible disaster. But they won Vietnam in the US Congress because they got a majority of US Congressmen to defund the Army of the Republic of Vietnam. And that meant that the average South Vietnamese soldier had four bullets in his rifle.
• 27:19
  There was no fuel for the tanks or the helicopters or the planes. They they literally they just defunded the the South Vietnamese army and they collapsed. So then the final offensive, there was no opposition for the communist armies in Southeast Asia. They took Vietnam, South Vietnam. They took Cambodia.
• 27:37
  And, of course, Laos was a sealed deal. So there goes all those dominoes. So I think that they've they've studied the past. They've seen our weakness. And our weakness isn't that we don't have better military machines than they do.
• 27:52
  Our weakness is that we're politically easy to roll over on. It just takes time.
• 28:00
  Seth Holehouse: And and we're easy to get pulled into wars. I mean, we we've been in wars all over the world at the drop of the hat, especially Well in oil rich nations.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Well, they like to draw us into wars that are diversionary. Was the thing. Jan Shena, a high level communist defector from Czechoslovakia, he wrote a book in 1982 called We Will Bury You. And he talked about the long range bloc, communist bloc strategy, was to get America into as many Vietnams as possible. Create brushfire wars, things in Africa, things in Asia, South America, where the Americans would have to send troops.
• 28:44
  And they they wanted the American public then to sour on the idea of supporting any other countries. And see, the thing is, is that. Ukraine is a very inexpensive and, of course, when Nixon properly Vietnamized the Vietnam War, because what Johnson had done is put Americans in to fight for the Vietnamese, We'll get the Americans out. Let the Vietnamese fight. It's pennies on the dollar and no American lives lost to stop the communists with that.
• 29:13
  But they they can't be that smart. Right? I mean, Nixon I mean and then Reagan had the idea of helping Jonas Savimbi in Angola fight the communists, to help the Muadin fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. No Americans fighting in Angola or Afghanistan. That's perfectly fine.
• 29:29
  Ukraine is similar to that. It's there's not Americans fighting there. They're Ukrainians. They desperately want their independence. If we give them money, it's like we spend $100,000,000,000 in with only maybe 20 of it on military aid.
• 29:47
  And the Russians have spent almost 800,000,000,000. So so this is keeping our enemy and Russia really is our enemy in check. On the cheap. And given our budget, but you see, going into Iraq was insane. You look at the West Bank and what a problem it is multiplied by the size of taxes, which is Iraq, and then you've got American soldiers holding down that mess.
• 30:15
  For how many years? At what? At how many trillions? And then you have Afghanistan on top of it. It was much better when the Soviets were in Afghanistan, and we were on the other end of that equation.
• 30:25
  But they they reversed it with 09/11 and the falling of the Twin Towers. They inverted the game on us, and we were the ones that were sucked into these things, which is what they always wanted. And and like I say, Shane's book, he was one of the top communist officials in communist Czechoslovakia, said this is what our strategists want. And and I think that's true. And of course, if they can get Iran and the Iranian leaders are very clever to do something provocative.
• 30:56
  All the better or Hamas or Hezbollah. The problem is, the Iranians are very cautious. Iranian leaders have shown themselves to be very cautious in that they don't want to commit suicide. So they're not willing to sacrifice themselves for China's convenience or Russia's convenience, although they're willing to help Russia. You know, the Iranians are making drones and sending them to Russia to fight to help Russia fight Ukraine.
• 31:23
  So in this larger strategy, the question about this attack in The Middle East is, is there a follow-up? Is something going to happen to the to the Gulf States? Is, you know, our Egypt, you know, there was a story I I didn't see confirmation that Egypt was mobilizing its third army. What is going to happen next? You know, and we've got an unstable situation in Syria, we have Turkey, I mean, you probably heard Turkey is threatening Israel.
• 31:58
  Erdogan threatened Israel. And, of course, that's very serious. Turkey's been flexing its muscles lately. And you've got the problem with Azerbaijan invading Nagarno Karabakh and Armenia. It's very strange.
• 32:13
  Armenia wants The US to help it, whereas traditionally Moscow has helped Armenia. Very strange.
• 32:22
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• 32:35
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• 32:52
  Speaker 2: But I wouldn't take rise to that paint.
• 32:56
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. So what's also if you piece it all together and you can see that, you know, there's this this chessboard, and and I think in a lot of ways, it's The United States and and China are the two big people sitting opposite each other on on this chess game. You know, there's a lots of other helpers and people in there. Fundamentally, it's the CCP that wants to collapse and overtake America and that everything else or, you know, these other pawns or these other movements going in are illustrating these different brush fires, as you mentioned, you know, across the world. They're pulling in forces in our finances and everything.
• 33:33
  And so if you look at, say, on American soil, right, because right now in America, it still feels like America, we're safe and sound. We're still here. And you see this war footage of these families being massacred over in Israel and like, oh, thank goodness, you know, that's not here in America. But if you look at what's happening with the southern border, and and I'll share I've got two different tweets I wanna share. So one was, the Israel Mossad put this warning out saying Israeli tourists killed in Egypt.
• 34:06
  We, we again ask for Jews around the world to be careful. The warning extends to West Western nations, specifically they mentioned in The United States, New York, Miami, and Florida. There's another post, that I think I'll read the first chunk of it here. Is this person saying, breaking Hamas allegedly has terror cells in The United States after entering the country via southern border, creating a fear of terrorist attacks in big cities over the next fourteen months. I've heard from many reputable sources that these planned terrorist attacks will indeed occur in major cities in America over the next twelve to fourteen months.
• 34:38
  Apparently, the Palestinian terrorist came across the Mexican border aided by the US government for the sole purpose of killing Americans. So which you can see that, okay. Yeah. Our government is absolutely aiding and bringing people right into our country. And so eventually, well, if this this giant brush fire gets big enough and it spills over into America.
• 35:03
  And so if you look at all these military aged men coming into America through the southern border, you look at obviously the CCP's involvement in that, you look at the cartels involvement, the, you know, Muslim Brotherhood, the Middle Eastern countries, all coming across the border. Do you share those same concerns that on this in this, you know, game of chess, some of the next moves in America could be the activation of some of these terror cells within America, which would then soften up our country for whatever the next offensive would be coming from the East.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The the open border see, whenever something really doesn't make sense because every all countries have borders and they regulate movement. But somehow America is not allowed to have a border so that anybody can just cross. They've allowed it to happen. So you can smuggle terrorists.
• 35:59
  You can smuggle, Spetsnaz commandos, Chinese, North Korean commandos. You can smuggle weapons of mass destruction through the routes that carry the narcotics trafficking. You can use the cartels to get things over the border, you know, biological, chemical weapons, maybe even nuclear weapons. Colonel Stanislav Lunev, who I knew quite well, who was the ranking defector from the Russian general staff, main intelligence director, GRU, testified before Congress that Russia was in the business of citing secret locations for stashing nuclear weapons before a war and also chemical and biological weapons. And Lunev was tasked to scout some places that would be suitable.
• 36:49
  They would not move the weapons or the people until they were months away. But Lunev once said to me something very curious when I said, you know, I understand that everything is about nuclear war. And this is a book a friend of mine wrote about Soviet strategy for nuclear war. It is all about nuclear war. Russia is not a weak power.
• 37:15
  Russia has more nuclear weapons, twice as many nuclear warheads as China. And if nuclear warheads are the decisive weapon, Russia is actually the strongest power despite the fact they're not choosing to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine. They're not weak by any means. And they have better technology, military technology than China. But what he said was, he said, If you ever hear that Arab terrorists have set off a nuclear weapon in an American city, don't believe it.
• 37:47
  And I said, well, why wouldn't I believe it? And he said, because it will be my people. It will be Spetsnaz. It will be Russian special forces doing it. And I said, well well, then what happens?
• 37:58
  What is what does that mean? And he said, well, then in some weeks or months later, the nuclear rockets from Russia will arrive and strike America. And I I was so stunned. I didn't ask him I I didn't ask him anything further along those lines. But what I wish I could have asked him, but he he since passed away is, what do you mean weeks or months?
• 38:22
  What is supposed to happen in that time? And I, you know, I went through all these Soviet strategy books looking for the answer, and, of course, the answer was there. They believe that that war is not just the movement of the troops and the and the rockets. The war is like tenderizing a steak. Right?
• 38:47
  You want that steak nice and tender, so you you you put garlic and lemon juice in a bag and you put the steak in the lemon juice overnight in the fridge and that tenderizes it. Well, they're tenderizing us with wokeism, with all kinds of ideas that are not correct, the wrong way of thinking. But they're also tenderizing us with Black Lives Matter and Antifa and all the turmoil here in America between the left and the right. And they're trying to feed that. Because, you know, Alexander Dugan, you might have seen, it was a month ago or five weeks ago, he said that he wanted Americans to see the light and have a civil war.
• 39:34
  He said, you should be fighting a civil war in America. You should be fighting a civil war in Europe. And, of course, the operative question is, kui bono. Right? Who benefits from a civil war in America?
• 39:45
  Well, China and Russia benefit. Who benefits from a civil war in Europe? And by the way, Dugan's now operating out of an office in China now. So there's this Russian posturing as a conservative philosopher, a Russian whose offices are in China. No, it's like, no, don't have a civil war.
• 40:06
  Please don't have a civil war. We have to hope that people on the on the left and the right will realize they are Americans and say, what is all this nonsense of us fighting? We have an enemy over here and and that enemy is manipulating us. I think that's the ideal that we would like to see if we want to survive as a country.
• 40:30
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. I mean, even you mentioned the left versus right. When I see all of this in America, to me, it just reminds me of everything I've read about, say, communist China. It's the the reds versus the blacks. It's class warfare.
• 40:42
  It's it's creating these segments in society and and getting to fight each other and not realize that there's these communists that are outside and within our own government that are completely manipulating the situation and distracting us. We don't see that the communists are here until they they're kicking our doors in and with, you know, AK forty sevens. So another question I had that and I wanted to get your thoughts on was that there were recent recently, there's been information coming out of China that it seemed like Xi Jinping was purging a lot of the military or not a lot, but very key positions in the military that perhaps were, you know, Jiang Zemin loyalists or or whatnot. But what how did you make sense of that? And why at this time within the past, you know, few months, why would there be a purge of people within the PLA?
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: Well, it's a very good question. And you will notice that World War II broke out in 1939. In 1938, of course, Marshal Tukachevsky and his friends were arrested and put on trial, I think in 1937. But it was in 1938 that the big military purge happened in the Soviet Union, where thousands of officers and hundreds of generals and colonels were arrested, executed or put in the gulag. And you would think to yourself, wait a minute, did Stalin know that World War II was coming?
• 42:17
  If he knew World War II was coming, why is he killing off his officers? His train you know, it takes two years to train a division commander in the Soviet Union. So how is he doing this? Why is he doing this? And it's because in his system, political loyalty and, absolute obedience is the main concern, not necessarily their technical competence.
• 42:44
  So what what Stalin did before World War two is he says, all war is coming. And what was his biggest fear? That his own generals and soldiers will turn their weapons against him because he's a criminal and he's a murderer. And if they see through him, a war is a perfect opportunity. You have all these people that are armed.
• 43:03
  They could turn their arms against the government and join the enemy. So he had to make sure of the loyalty and the obedience of his generals. This is the nature of the communist system. So when we see these purges in China, especially when we see it in the rocket forces, right, it's like, uh-oh, this if it's following the familiar pattern. Now, and it is a pattern because it didn't just happen once.
• 43:33
  This book here, Stalin, this is Edward Radzinski's Stalin, and Radzinski interviewed or had access to Stalin's last surviving bodyguards in the nineties who said, look, the night that Stalin died, his personal bodyguard was removed. Okay. Stalin, the dictator of the Soviet Union, always had bodyguards except the night he had a stroke. So Radzinski says Stalin was murdered by Khrushchev and Beria is what he basically suggests. And why did they murder him?
• 44:12
  Because Stalin was about to purge all of them. And he was about to purge all of them because Stalin was going to start World War three. And, of course, as you remember, the Korean War was going on at the time, and Korea and China were fighting The US and its allies in Korea. And Eisenhower had just been elected president, and Eisenhower was determined to have World War III if the communists would not agree to a ceasefire, which they did. But they only agreed to the ceasefire after Stalin was dead.
• 44:45
  So the story was that Stalin was going to let Eisenhower widen the Korean War into China, and then he was going to fight World War three. And, you know, there's it's a it's powerfully argued in this book that this giant purge had already begun with the doctor's plot, and the purges were already starting and he was going to work his way up to his most intimate associates like he had done the purges in the 1930s. So the idea that Xi Jinping is purging the People's Liberation Army is very alarming because it suggests that maybe next year or in 2025, he's thinking of actually going to war.
• 45:28
  Seth Holehouse: Alright, folks. I've got a quick message for you. I have one simple question. If today you could no longer go purchase more food for your family, with the food stores that you have in your home, how long would you be able to feed your family? Would it be a week, three weeks, a month, two months, a year?
• 45:48
  This is a really important question folks that we have to be very realistic about because the elites are proactively trying to put us into a state of food crisis and a state of famine. I'm sure you've seen all of the different food processing plants and farms that are blowing up. You've got cattle dying by the tens of thousands. They're proactively trying to collapse our food system because they know if they can control our food, they can control us. And so one of the best ways to be outside of their control is to be able to have our own stores of food and to be able to produce our own food.
• 46:21
  So there's really two things I would recommend. One is having heirloom seeds that you can grow your own food with, making sure that they're non GMO heirloom seeds that that way you can harvest your seeds this year, use them next year. You can use these seeds for generations. Literally, it's how it will work. The other thing though is this high quality storable food.
• 46:40
  This is food that's sitting somewhere, it's hidden in your basement, buried in your backyard, whatever it ever it is. So that way if there is a crisis, if there is an emergency, you might have three months set aside to get through that time period. And so for this, I would highly recommend a company called Heaven's Harvest. This is an amazing Christian owned patriot company, and what they're doing is they're making high quality storable food. Again, lot of the food companies, they say these food buckets, they're all about maximizing calories per dollar.
• 47:10
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• 47:35
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• 48:11
  And so with that and looking at the CCP, the state of CCP, we know that, you know, their their economy's really been wrecked. There's a lot of a lot of unrest, especially, know, after these COVID zero policies and everything. Do you think that they are closer or are still continue to build up action towards a more significant move against Taiwan and then The United States, because I know we talked before, and we, you know, went extensively into the the idea of the final war. Right? The CCP's final war, which, again, if you look at, again, all these brushfire wars that, you know, the question is, okay, what comes next?
• 48:49
  And so do you think that they're in a position where they it's almost do or die, where they have to start acting, or they're gonna lose control of their own people and perhaps their own military. I mean, that to me, it shows that Xi Jinping also is a little bit frantic if if he's purging these people that there is a lot of division within the CCP. It's not just this unified, you know, group as a lot of people wanna simplify it down to being.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah. The communist system like you have in China is a top down system, and you have this you know, the the Russian Federation still retains its essential Soviet qualities despite the changes since 1991, which means that you don't really listen to people down the food chain. The people down here don't matter. We give you the orders, and we don't listen to you. You say that if we attack this place, we're all going to die and you're going to achieve nothing.
• 49:55
  Forget about it. You don't know anything. You just obey our orders and you die when we tell you to die. People become rebellious. They become unhappy with that.
• 50:09
  And so the communists have studied psychology very carefully. So like, for example, the Chinese in the Korean War, when they got American prisoners, they sort of psychologically tested them. And they found there's this 20% rule. 20% of people are able to think for themselves and to take the initiative. 80% of people don't.
• 50:31
  So once they figured out who that 80% were, they could keep those people under minimal guard. They they didn't need to strictly fence them because 80% of people have no initiative. They wouldn't escape if they had a chance. They wouldn't even be looking for it. So what you do in a regime like that is you either make sure the people who have initiative are working for you and are well taken care of or you eliminate them.
• 50:59
  And you make sure that everyone else is docile and will follow orders. And so this this is sort of the process. But so the regime that's regime stability. Whereas in the West, we think regime stability is when everybody kind of on their own, you know, agrees. We have a vote.
• 51:18
  We have leaders. We all kind of agree to disagree, and then we pull together. It doesn't quite work that way there. Of course, their system creates resentments, intrigue. You've got leaders replacing leaders and princelings fighting against.
• 51:38
  None of it is transparent. On the outside, we can't even tell how this is going for them. We find out years later that Beria and Khrushchev possibly murdered Stalin. We find out decades later, we had historians and defectors speculating, but nobody had anything until years later, these bodyguards spoke out of turn and then we go, Woah. And the system's non transparent because that's how the leaders protect themselves.
• 52:10
  They live in the dark because the dark is their cloak. It's their shield. That makes it difficult for us, but it also hampers them because they're nontransparent. Their own people don't trust them. It's not a system with a lot of trust.
• 52:26
  It's a system where you use compulsion. You do what I say or else, you know, and you see what's happened in Russia with the the the liberalizing that did take place. You've had well, according to Constantine in Uzbekistan, you know, a million Russians have fled so they wouldn't be drafted. A million Russian men have fled to Central Asia or Georgia or Scandinavia or wherever they could get away. In in China, these options don't exist as much.
• 52:58
  I mean, maybe some of the Chinese flooding across their southern border are escaping from China rather than working for it. I hope so. I don't know what the answer is there. But, if China's you know, if China is preparing for war. We aren't going to see signs other than the ones we're seeing.
• 53:21
  Which unfortunately, we're seeing them build up military buildup. Purging your leadership. Announcing consolidating your alliances and and your friendship with Russia, the other because you need China needs that and having wars in other parts of the world that tie us down. I mean, those are the preliminaries, and we're seeing the preliminaries. And, of course, what my sources were saying three years ago with the pandemic is China really wanted to go quickly.
• 53:55
  And the reason you want to go quickly is it's very painful to drag out a mobilization and it's very expensive and their economy is suffering. And there's a chicken and an egg question, is their economy suffering because they've overbuilt their military? And there's or is it just malinvestment or? Or do they just have they stopped to care about their civilian economy because they know they're going to war? And they're and it's taking them longer to get there than they thought.
• 54:25
  I don't know the answer, but these are the kind of questions you wanna ask when you're looking at all these things.
• 54:33
  Seth Holehouse: And so looking at The Middle East, looking at Hamas, Hezbollah, even a lot of the terror cells that have been over there. I think that a lot of people, you know, they look at that and they wanna point towards, oh, these are just radical Islam terrorists. But the am I correct in my understanding that actually a lot of these terror cells were trained, funded, and really assembled by communists. I mean, there's a reason why they're carrying the the iconic Russian rifle. Right?
• 55:03
  The a k 47. So that that's why I think it's you know, when this when this war broke out, you know, which we see happening over there in Israel, that under you know, we can't look at it without understanding the relationship of what's happening there to the the communist bloc in this world. And so is that is a lot of that radical behavior over there, anti American sentiment, is is that a lot of it rooted in communist methodology and infiltration and subversion over there?
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, the Muslim brotherhood I think it was in the 1960s, if I'm remembering, the Muslim Brotherhood aligned itself with the communists in The Middle East. So you had the communist cells in Jordan, and the Muslim Brotherhood and the communist cells somehow got together and started and sort of made agreements with each other to work together. And you have people like, you know, technically Yasser Arafat was Egyptian, but he pretended to be a Palestinian. Right? So you you had Yasser Arafat being trained in the Soviet Union, and he was a Palestinian you know, he was the leader of of the PLO, and Fatah is the political branch of that.
• 56:16
  You have Hamas, which is the Muslim brotherhood side because the PLO was nationalist. Right? They were fighting a war of national liberation for the Palestinian people. Now Palestinians are are, you know, mostly Muslim, although there are Christian Palestinians as well. Christian, know, Arab Palestinians.
• 56:34
  But Hamas is specifically Muslim. It comes out of the Muslim Brotherhood. It's Palestinian, and and they sort of compete with the PLO. But both Hamas and Fatah are supported by Russia and by China traditionally. And I had a Chinese friend who was my age who grew up under Mao, and we would talk about this like, what did they teach you about The Middle East in communist China, in Mao's China?
• 57:06
  And they said, well, the evil imperialists and the Palestinians are the people to support. So communist China always supported the Palestinians. Right? And, of course, the PLO was the national liberation movement officially recognized by the communist bloc. But Hamas also, just the same way that Iran, even though Hamas is Sunni and Iran is Shiite, you know, the two main branches of Islam, they still work together.
• 57:37
  They because they have this common enemy idea. And although the PLO and Fatale, they compete politically and sometimes even violently within the Palestinian authority is not a state yet, they really will combine against Israel and work against this common enemy. So there are not to make our enemies sound like they're monolithic, which when they're all working together they are, there are cleavages in our enemies camps and disagreements. But in this case, they all agree that Israel is the little Satan and America is the great Satan.
• 58:24
  Seth Holehouse: So, Jeff, we're coming up at the end of the hour and I think we keep going, but I want to be mindful of your time. So I know that your main website is jrnyquist.blog. Is is that the main place people can follow your work and
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. Yes.
• 58:39
  Seth Holehouse: Okay. And then do you have any final thoughts as we as we wrap up?
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I guess we the final thought is, is that we are being lied to by our own government. But we are being but the opposition to the government also is being fed lies. So we don't we it's like, what what is the what are these alternatives we're being offered? And I think there's people who have good intentions on both sides of the political fence. We can get very angry at each other for having these different ideas, and I I don't like the luff's ideas.
• 59:25
  But we have to realize that there is a force outside of America, an anti American force that wants to destroy us. And we had better wake up to the force, and we better wake up to how that force operates Because because it's strategy, strategy, strategy, if you're playing chess, it's strategy that wins. Understanding the game wins. And ideology is not strategy. Ideology is how you get manipulated because, well, I believe this.
• 1:00:01
  Yeah. But what's strategically what's happening here? Are you being manipulated? They know your ideas. Are they manipulating your your thoughts?
• 1:00:14
  Knowing what you tend to believe, what you tend to go to, are they playing up to that? Are they flattering you and feeding you things that they know you're going to believe, but they're not quite true, and they're leveraging you? That's a question to ask.
• 1:00:30
  Seth Holehouse: It's an important point. And also, think there's this understanding that there's I think that, especially here in America, we simplify things so much, good and bad. Well, that's a good guy, that's a bad guy. It's like Hollywood. There's always the bad guy, you know who he is, and there's the good guy.
• 1:00:48
  I think that it's there's layers upon layers, and the bad guys have infiltrated the good guys, and now the good guys are acting as the bad guys and vice versa. So it's so complex, which is why I enjoy having you on because you bring a lot of historical references to understand where we're at right now, which I think is very important. So, Jeff, thanks again for for coming on. Thanks again for your work, and I look forward to the next conversation.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Seth.