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The Kenny Report | 15 April · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Sky New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me tonight.
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  Speaker 2: The immigration debate, Labour's hipocritical attacks on the Liberals as
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  Speaker 2: it admits serious problems itself, Pauline Hansen's reaction, and the
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  Speaker 2: Shadow Immigration Minister, John o'dunnheam will join me too. I'll
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  Speaker 2: cross to the UK as well, where the immigration woes
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  Speaker 2: big news there too. Esther Krako will join us from
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  Speaker 2: London and on the Middle East War, I'll expose the
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  Speaker 2: UN's impotence and discuss the latest with Tom Switzer and
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  Speaker 2: plenty to cover with the panel. Christy McSweeney and Caleb
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  Speaker 2: Bond will join me. They'll talk about all the issues
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  Speaker 2: of the day, plus the Day two, the second day
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  Speaker 2: of the non Royal tour.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: Finally, the Opposition leader laid out a clear, sensible and
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  Speaker 2: firm approach to immigration yesterday, trying to address the economic,
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  Speaker 2: social and security concerns, and as we predicted, the critics
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  Speaker 2: have arked up in typical fashion. You can't talk sense
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  Speaker 2: about these issues in this country without the green left
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  Speaker 2: screaming xenophobia, racism and worse, which is a big part
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  Speaker 2: of why social cohesion is being tested in this country
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: It's the lovies.
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  Speaker 2: Who fracture our cohesion, the people trying to demonstrate their
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  Speaker 2: own tolerance and generosity. It's those virtue signalers who help
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  Speaker 2: create the problems, encouraging weak governments to open the floodgates
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  Speaker 2: and resist any practical steps to address concerns like illegal immigration,
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  Speaker 2: people smuggling, a lack of integration, and of course Islamist extremism.
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  Speaker 2: So here's a reminder of what the liberal leader was
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  Speaker 2: talking about yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: Australia has a non discriminatory immigration program. We don't discriminate
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  Speaker 3: based on nationality, race, gender or faith. But for an
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  Speaker 3: immigration program to work in the national interest, it must
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  Speaker 3: discriminate based on values.
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  Speaker 1: Who could disagree with that.
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  Speaker 2: Now, let's look at some of the predictable criticism. Have
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  Speaker 2: a listened to this labor backbencher.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I can't tell you how unbelievably this is from
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  Speaker 4: Angus Taylor. I'm angry, really angry.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's so angry that he has to chuck in
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  Speaker 2: a profanasy to try and show you how angry he is,
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  Speaker 2: how confected, or maybe that's just a show he's down
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  Speaker 2: with the cool kids. He's not angry, he's just in
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  Speaker 2: partisan political attack mode. Have a listened to some more
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  Speaker 2: of him.
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  Speaker 4: So today Angus Taylor went for one nation. He said
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  Speaker 4: that too many self serving migrants are draining our nation. Now,
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  Speaker 4: I can't tell you how unbelievably this is from Angus Taylor,
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  Speaker 4: the leader of the so called Liberal Party. Is Angus
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  Speaker 4: Taylor saying that people have been along our self serving
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  Speaker 4: and reigning our nation. This has to stop saying that
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  Speaker 4: migrants are a drain on our society. This doesn't cut
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  Speaker 4: it right to your local liberals, because right now we
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  Speaker 4: need parties and politicians to bring people together, not tear
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  Speaker 4: us apart, not copy one nation, and not blame migrants
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  Speaker 4: for every one of our policy problems.
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  Speaker 2: The first point here is the blatant misrepresentation. The pretense
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  Speaker 2: that Taylor is trying to slur all migrants labor desperately
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  Speaker 2: misrepresents what the liberals are saying. And this fuels the vision,
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  Speaker 2: and it creates resentment. And they do this for their
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  Speaker 2: own cheap political advantage.
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  Speaker 1: This is the opposite of what they're claiming to do.
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  Speaker 2: This partisan motivation is the opposite to the tolerance they Profess.
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  Speaker 2: Let's go back to that speech yesterday to see what
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  Speaker 2: Taylor really says about the vast majority of immigrants, those.
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  Speaker 3: Of noble and patriotic intent, someone who wants to become Australian,
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  Speaker 3: embrace Australia and contribute to Australia. And overwhelmingly the vast
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  Speaker 3: majority of people who come to this great country fall
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  Speaker 3: into that category. And then there is the migrant of
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  Speaker 3: subversive intent.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, he supports migrants, admires migrants, but wants to deal
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  Speaker 2: with the undeniable problems and prevent them in the future
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  Speaker 2: by being more selective. A tiny minority of immigrants create problems,
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  Speaker 2: but when we have more than three hundred thousand permanent
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  Speaker 2: migrants a year, a small minority can be a big problem.
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  Speaker 2: But Labour turns a blind eye to these problems by
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  Speaker 2: launching a polarizing attack against the coalition's approach. They refuse
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  Speaker 2: to confront the problems of deception, extremism and poor integration.
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  Speaker 2: The socialist left premier of Victoria even invokes the ANZACs.
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  Speaker 5: I'm firmly of the view that we need unity not division.
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  Speaker 5: I'm firmly of a view that we need a migration
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  Speaker 5: policy that is not race based or extreme dividing and
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  Speaker 5: excluding families by race, religion, or country of origin. That
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  Speaker 5: is not what the ANZACs stood for.
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  Speaker 2: Really, I wouldn't be so presumptuous or disrespectful to use
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  Speaker 2: the ANZACs for political arguments, but I would say that
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  Speaker 2: anyone who supports the sovereignty and security of a nation
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  Speaker 2: understands that border control is central determining who can enter
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  Speaker 2: and who is entitled to.
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  Speaker 1: The gift of citizenship. Here is why sovereignty matters.
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  Speaker 2: The Coalition has given us a thoughtful and strong approach
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  Speaker 2: to these issues at a time of horrible social division,
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  Speaker 2: the worst anti semitism and terrorism this country has ever known.
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  Speaker 2: And yet this important contribution is met with base politics
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  Speaker 2: by Labor.
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  Speaker 6: I wonder Angus Taler has somehow found a way to
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  Speaker 6: be running third in a two horse race, and that's
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  Speaker 6: because his highest priority is to chase one nation votes.
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  Speaker 6: Our highest priority is the national interest.
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  Speaker 2: Well yeah, Labour's highest priority clearly is its own political interests.
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  Speaker 2: That's why it hasn't been strong enough to control spending
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  Speaker 2: and get inflation and interest rates under control. That's why
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  Speaker 2: it hasn't been strong enough to admit its climate driven
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  Speaker 2: energy self harm and change its approach.
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  Speaker 1: To fix it with affordable, reliable and secure energy.
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  Speaker 2: And that's why for the past two and a half years,
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  Speaker 2: Labor hasn't been strong enough to tackle the unprecedented antisemitism
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  Speaker 2: and virulent Islamist extremism that's been evident on our streets
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  Speaker 2: since October.
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  Speaker 1: Twenty twenty three.
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  Speaker 2: This weakness was evident right from the start, as you know,
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  Speaker 2: I called it out in the days after October seventh,
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  Speaker 2: when Shaikh Ibrahim de Doun led hateful celebrations of the
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  Speaker 2: slaughter of innocent Israelis on the streets of Sydney's Lakember.
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  Speaker 1: And the government did nothing.
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  Speaker 2: And the next night when we saw those appalling, threatening
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  Speaker 2: and anti Semitic scenes at the Opera House, again no
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  Speaker 2: arrests and only the mildest, minimalist response from Anthony Alberizi
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  Speaker 2: and his government. The PM just hoped all this would
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  Speaker 2: go away. He didn't lead a national revolt against this behavior.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't stand up for Australians who were Jewish, he
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  Speaker 2: didn't publicly call out the Islamist extremism behind all this.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, as the anti Israel protests continued and anti
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  Speaker 2: Semitic attacks, including fire bombings, got worse. Albanesian Labor supported
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  Speaker 2: the cause of the pro Palestinian protesters, gave them what
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  Speaker 2: they wanted at the United Nations, and Labour stalwarts joined
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  Speaker 2: a march across the Harbor Bridge that included hateful chants
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  Speaker 2: for death to the IDF, where a poster of the
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  Speaker 2: terrorrist sponsoring Supreme Leader of Iran was paraded, and where
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  Speaker 2: other terrorist symbols were banded about, and the PM praised
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  Speaker 2: the protest as peaceful. There's been nothing peaceful about the
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  Speaker 2: hatred spread in this country over the past two and
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  Speaker 2: a half years, and the way the government has abandoned
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  Speaker 2: the Australian Jewish community is shameful. That's what's fueled division.
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  Speaker 2: Labour's timidity in calling out extremism. Labour's been weak because
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  Speaker 2: it fears the electoral backlash from Muslim communities and the
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  Speaker 2: hard left Greens. And yet now when the coalition fronts
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  Speaker 2: up to these problems actually addresses the crucial link between
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  Speaker 2: immigration and this kind of social disruption, Labor tries to take.
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  Speaker 1: The high moral ground.
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  Speaker 2: It is sickening listen to the Immigration Minister and it's
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  Speaker 2: all about politics, partisan politics, and in action.
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  Speaker 7: The diet tribe from mister Taylor has nothing to do
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  Speaker 7: with the national interest and is entirely about sending a
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  Speaker 7: message to one nation. Whereas we have an immigration policy
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  Speaker 7: focused on the skills we need, the opposition have an
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  Speaker 7: immigration announcement focused on the votes they think they need
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  Speaker 7: from one nation.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, all politics, and the government is pretending that all
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  Speaker 2: else is fine. Even when under questioning Tony Burke had
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  Speaker 2: to admit that the opposition is right. There are tens
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  Speaker 2: of thousands of people in this country right now who
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  Speaker 2: should not be here that he hasn't been able to
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  Speaker 2: deport them.
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  Speaker 7: We have a bigger problem than I wish we had
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  Speaker 7: because of what we were left with, but we are
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  Speaker 7: getting through it. But people should be on notice at
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  Speaker 7: the end of your visa, if you don't have another visa,
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  Speaker 7: you should leave Australia.
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  Speaker 2: So there are problems, real problems, and after being in
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  Speaker 2: office for four years now, Labor is both blaming the
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  Speaker 2: previous government and promising to do something eventually.
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  Speaker 7: There are other people who have played a game, and
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  Speaker 7: I will have more to say about this in coming months,
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  Speaker 7: but there are people who have played a game in
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  Speaker 7: terms of moving from visa to visa where they are
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  Speaker 7: saying they are here for a temporary purpose but are
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  Speaker 7: not planning to ever go back.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not the only ones playing games. And there
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  Speaker 2: was another extraordinary revelation today given the post Bondai security concerns.
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  Speaker 2: Remember the three thousand visas granted to people from Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: Burke has admitted that have still been coming into Australia
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  Speaker 2: even six months after the ceasefire.
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  Speaker 7: I don't have the number to hand, but it's significantly
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  Speaker 7: less than the number of visas that are issued. There
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  Speaker 7: has never been a cohort with more security checks in
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  Speaker 7: this particular group.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing to see here, apparently, what a worry Angus.
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  Speaker 2: Taylor's new policy approach has highlighted real areas of concern
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  Speaker 2: and ideas about how to make our immigration system more
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  Speaker 2: sustainable and our country more secure and cohesive. The deceitful
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  Speaker 2: and partisan response from the government is an attempt to
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  Speaker 2: play the public for mugs. Thankfully, for now, despite the critics,
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  Speaker 2: Taylor is not taking a backward step.
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  Speaker 3: If someone wants to throw out our system of law
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  Speaker 3: and put in another one, whether it's Sharia law or
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  Speaker 3: some other system of law that is not welcome. If
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  Speaker 3: someone wants to throw out our parliamentary system democracy and
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  Speaker 3: put another system in place, they are not welcome in
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  Speaker 3: this country.
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  Speaker 8: It's as simple as.
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  Speaker 3: That, and I think most Australians cherish what we have here.
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  Speaker 3: It's special, it's precious, It's been built over a long
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  Speaker 3: period of time.
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  Speaker 2: Let's hope Taylor and his colleagues can stay the course
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  Speaker 2: on what will be a testy debate because labor is
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  Speaker 2: having trouble with these are overstayers, and with too many migrants,
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  Speaker 2: with Islamist extremism and anti semitism, not to mention the
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  Speaker 2: economic impacts of immigration on the housing crisis. So pretending
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  Speaker 2: the opposition is being divisive is just puerile. We need
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  Speaker 2: a government that is unafraid to discuss and debate these issues.
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  Speaker 1: That would be a start.
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  Speaker 2: Then we need a government with the strength to actually
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  Speaker 2: put some changes in place. I'll get into the latest
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  Speaker 2: on the Iran war, but I just wanted to mention
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  Speaker 2: the weird and warped deference to the United Nations that
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  Speaker 2: we hear on our ABC, our taxpayer funded broadcaster. The
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  Speaker 2: UN is impotent and compromised when it comes to this
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  Speaker 2: conflict and Middle East politics. Yet I heard ABC Radio
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  Speaker 2: lead a news bulletin this morning with the latest utterances
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  Speaker 2: from the UN chief, who just happens to be the
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  Speaker 2: former Socialist Party leader of Portugal. The ABC ran quite
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  Speaker 2: a bit from Antonio Guterrist today.
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  Speaker 9: The head of the United Nations says peace talks to
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  Speaker 9: end the Iran war highly likely to resume. And this
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  Speaker 9: comes as Washington and Tehran indicate negotiations may restart, but
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  Speaker 9: no plans have been confirmed.
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  Speaker 10: The indication we have is that it is highly probable
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  Speaker 10: that these talks will restart.
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  Speaker 11: I have.
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  Speaker 10: Today a meeting with the Deputy Prime Minister of Pakistan.
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  Speaker 2: Look, any comments from Guterras are just not credible or relevant. Still,
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  Speaker 2: the ABC is always willing to talk up the busted
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  Speaker 2: flush that is the UN and pretend it has a
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  Speaker 2: role in these matters of war and peace.
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  Speaker 5: Antonio Guterres is the United Nations Secretary General.
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  Speaker 10: International navigational rights and freedoms, including in the state of
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  Speaker 10: mus must be respected by all parties. It's time for
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  Speaker 10: restraint and responsibility. It's time for the promise you of escalation,
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  Speaker 10: and it's time for a renewed commitment to international law.
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  Speaker 2: Oh international law the UN seems to be very selective
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  Speaker 2: about when and where it seeks to impose this elusive
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  Speaker 2: concept of international law. I mean, where were the calls
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  Speaker 2: for Hamas to abide by international law as it fired
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  Speaker 2: tens of thousands of rockets at civilian targets in Israel
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  Speaker 2: over more than a decade. The UN wants to pretend
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  Speaker 2: there's a Palestinian state, So why did the UN not
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  Speaker 2: intervene to condemn and prevent.
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  Speaker 1: These rocket attacks?
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  Speaker 2: Where was the UN and international law when Hamas and
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  Speaker 2: its supporters invaded Israel from Gaza and slaughtered twelve hundred
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  Speaker 2: people and took hundreds of hostages, murdering some including babies,
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  Speaker 2: and holding others for more than two years. How does
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  Speaker 2: that stack up under international law? And what about Hezbala's
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  Speaker 2: continuous rocket attacks on Israel over many years and recently
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  Speaker 2: during the Iran War.
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  Speaker 1: Why is it that the.
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  Speaker 2: UN calls for Israel to observe international law when it
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  Speaker 2: attempts to deal with Hezbollah, but Lebanon seems to be
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  Speaker 2: exempt as Hesbala uses its territory to fire rockets at
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  Speaker 2: civilians in Israel. And what about the UN's role under
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  Speaker 2: Security Council Resolution seventeen o one, the UN was supposed
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  Speaker 2: to disarm Hezbalah in southern Lebanon, but over a decade
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  Speaker 2: it clearly turned a blind eye as rockets and other
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  Speaker 2: armory were kept there, brought into that area and fired
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  Speaker 2: at Israel.
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  Speaker 1: And what about Iran?
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  Speaker 2: Should it adhere to international law by abandoning its nuclear
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  Speaker 2: weapons program? Does Iran's sponsorship of terrorism, arming of proxies,
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  Speaker 2: missile attacks on Israel and the Gulf States? Does any
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  Speaker 2: of this comply with international law? What an obscene joke
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  Speaker 2: the United Nations is and how sad is it that
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  Speaker 2: our national broadcaster takes it so seriously? Remember, the UN
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  Speaker 2: has put Iran in as a co chair of two
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  Speaker 2: important United Nations committees, one of them overseeing the functions
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  Speaker 2: of the UN Charter itself. And yes, the UN stuck
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  Speaker 2: Iran on another important committee running programs, including on human rights, just.
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  Speaker 1: In the past few days.
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  Speaker 2: Countries like the UK, France and even Australia just let
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  Speaker 2: this happen. There are problems with international law and morality,
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  Speaker 2: to be sure, but this is not something the UN
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  Speaker 2: should be lecturing anyone about, because the problem with international
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  Speaker 2: law and morality is right in the very heart of
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  Speaker 2: the United Nations. Let's catch up with Pauline Hanson, now
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  Speaker 2: the One Nation leader. She joins us from her home
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  Speaker 2: in Queensland. Good to talk to you, Pauline. Your party
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  Speaker 2: has been mentioned a lot by the government today. They're
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  Speaker 2: suggesting that the Coalition is trying to steal your voters
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  Speaker 2: by talking up a divisive immigration agenda.
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  Speaker 1: What do you make of that, well.
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  Speaker 12: Chris, it's music to my ears to actually hear an
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  Speaker 12: immigration policy out of the Coalition government. So it's great
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  Speaker 12: to hear it. And a lot of what they're saying
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  Speaker 12: is directly out of my policy booklet myself, you know
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  Speaker 12: what we put out there. But it's good to hear
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  Speaker 12: and it's about time. The government is very clearly scared
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  Speaker 12: of both the Coalition and One Nation, you know, expressing
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  Speaker 12: our views about the migration in Australia. What has happened
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  Speaker 12: You mentioned about three hundred thousand a year. Chris, it's
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  Speaker 12: closer to five hundred thousand a year of people coming in.
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  Speaker 12: We've had the highest intake of migrants in the history
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  Speaker 12: of this country of eighteen eighteen hundred people a day.
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  Speaker 12: And when Burke says about new migrants coming here, you know,
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  Speaker 12: a schooled later what are these now technicians, messieuwers, dog walkers,
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  Speaker 12: Juba drivers. Because the in the figure's been twenty two
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  Speaker 12: and twenty three we only had eighteen hundred construction workers
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  Speaker 12: came into the country. You know, these skilled migrants. They're
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  Speaker 12: allowing these students come here, change their courses and get
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  Speaker 12: on a bridging visa and stay here in the country.
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  Speaker 12: So it's been fascal. The whole lot has been uncontrolled.
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  Speaker 12: And Chris make this point. Thirty percent of Australians are
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  Speaker 12: foreign born, so we have an allowed time for people
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  Speaker 12: to assimilate, become Australian and accept our way of life
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  Speaker 12: and culture. And I'm concerned about that change. And as
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  Speaker 12: we see what's happened, and we brought so many wrong
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  Speaker 12: people into the country over the years, people that don't
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  Speaker 12: want to be Australians, don't respect our laws, and I'm
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  Speaker 12: fed up with seeing the Australian flag basically spat on
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  Speaker 12: by a lot of people that don't respect it. So
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  Speaker 12: Australians are angry about this. They've been warmly welcoming migrants
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  Speaker 12: for decades and it's been wonderful, but we really need
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  Speaker 12: to have a look at the caliber of the people
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  Speaker 12: where they're coming from, and we need to have a
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  Speaker 12: debate about this and speak about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been pathetic the way Labor have just tried
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  Speaker 2: to attack the Coalition of over this, because in his
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  Speaker 2: press conference today Tony Burke had to admit they had problems.
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  Speaker 1: He admitted that there are tens.
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  Speaker 2: Of thousands of people overstaying visas that he can't get
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  Speaker 2: out of the country, says he'll do something in a
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  Speaker 2: few months. He's been in power for four years. And
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  Speaker 2: the other point is he's admitted that there are still
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  Speaker 2: people coming in from Gaza six months after the ceasefire,
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  Speaker 2: so there are real problems here. The question I want
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  Speaker 2: to ask you about the coalition's approach is do you
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  Speaker 2: agree with Labor. Do you think that the coalitions looking
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  Speaker 2: to get voters back from one nation or isn't this
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  Speaker 2: really the coalition going back to where it was on
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  Speaker 2: immigration back in the Howard years.
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  Speaker 12: I think they're going a little bit stronger now than
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  Speaker 12: what they were in the Howard years. I think they
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  Speaker 12: are very concerned about the votes they're lose into one nation.
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  Speaker 12: But Chris, they have to open up their eyes, ok,
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  Speaker 12: they're not kittens anymore. They're cats. And we're in this
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  Speaker 12: game that we have to do what's right for the country.
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  Speaker 12: And you know, we do need to do something about it.
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  Speaker 12: And Labor is playing this game or catching up with
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  Speaker 12: one nation. Regardless of whether they're catching up with one
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  Speaker 12: nation our policies, the fact is we have to discuss
• 21:13
  Speaker 12: this and policy has a change the way we've had
• 21:17
  Speaker 12: it under the Labor Party.
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: You know this.
• 21:19
  Speaker 12: Over twenty five thousand people in the country that have
• 21:21
  Speaker 12: been here for more than ten years overstayed their visas.
• 21:24
  Speaker 12: What has the government done about it? Absolutely nothing. These
• 21:27
  Speaker 12: people are working here, are they paying their taxes? Probably not.
• 21:31
  Speaker 12: So it's a whole system that we have here has
• 21:33
  Speaker 12: failed us as a nation. We've got black housing, rental accommodation.
• 21:38
  Speaker 12: These people overstayed you. When you come to Australia, you
• 21:41
  Speaker 12: sign a contract. I intend to stay here for only
• 21:44
  Speaker 12: three months. Well, that's your contract that you've signed. And
• 21:47
  Speaker 12: if these people don't go back, if you've found well,
• 21:49
  Speaker 12: then you send out of the country, never ever to
• 21:52
  Speaker 12: return again. I'd be very extremely hard on this and
• 21:55
  Speaker 12: these students. Once you finish a course, then you go
• 21:58
  Speaker 12: back to your country. You'll apply to come here, you
• 22:00
  Speaker 12: don't get to stay in the country.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: It's not unreasonable, Pauline, And it's a debate this country
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: has to see and.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: It has to see some action on these issues.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: Now, I want to go to this controversy over the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: former One Nation staffer Sean Black, who was a convicted rapist.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: You had to go during the week at Jacinda Namba
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: jimper Price because of what she said about this. She
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: responded on this program last night. Here's what you said
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: to had to say.
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: I'm not just speaking from the position of being an
• 22:27
  Speaker 13: advocate in a very serious area, but I'm coming from
• 22:32
  Speaker 13: being a survivor of sexual assault myself, and that for
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: anyone who's been in that situation, i'd hope, I'm sure
• 22:41
  Speaker 13: that they would believe that they themselves personally would not
• 22:44
  Speaker 13: want to be confronted with the idea of working in
• 22:48
  Speaker 13: the same workspace as an individuals such as that.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Pauline hasn't She's right, isn't she? It's a very important issue.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: Did you personally approve the re employment of Seann Black
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: after the rape conviction?
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Yes? I did. Do you regret that?
• 23:08
  Speaker 12: And guess what I haven't had one complaint. No I don't.
• 23:11
  Speaker 12: I have not had one complaint from the staff, and
• 23:14
  Speaker 12: one is a former federal police officer that works in
• 23:17
  Speaker 12: that office. Let's get this straight. He doesn't work my
• 23:20
  Speaker 12: parliamentary office. He doesn't go to parliament. He is a
• 23:23
  Speaker 12: man who's done his time in prison, a man who
• 23:27
  Speaker 12: has to make a living for his wife and his
• 23:28
  Speaker 12: two children. So what am I supposed to do? What
• 23:31
  Speaker 12: do you want to do? What do you expect? Well,
• 23:36
  Speaker 12: in this country a year So anyway, then you have
• 23:39
  Speaker 12: four thousand that are convicted, So how do you know
• 23:41
  Speaker 12: the other people out there? This is political, Chris, This
• 23:45
  Speaker 12: is just a political, bloody witch hunt. And I'm shocked
• 23:48
  Speaker 12: by just sentence jalals vandwagon and with Garth Hamilton. No,
• 23:55
  Speaker 12: just away from this, Chris, because everyone has a chance
• 23:58
  Speaker 12: of second chance, and he's been getting a chance.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: But you have backed the way. And that's why I'm
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: asking I want to get in with this next question.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: It doesn't stack up.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: You're saying you don't regret re employing him after the conviction,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: yet you dismissed him earlier this week. Those two things
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: can't be right, can.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: They, Chris?
• 24:16
  Speaker 12: Because the political pylon that is happening, that's going at
• 24:19
  Speaker 12: the moment right. My aim now is to get on
• 24:24
  Speaker 12: and put our policy for this country. The Liberal Party.
• 24:28
  Speaker 12: I'm getting so much put onto me and the party.
• 24:31
  Speaker 12: You're trolling through everything to actually make a sound like
• 24:36
  Speaker 12: the worst party with our members parliament, everyone. You have
• 24:39
  Speaker 12: no idea what the hell is happening to me on
• 24:42
  Speaker 12: a daily basis, from not only not from the Labor Party,
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: from the coalition and the media trolling through everything, dirt,
• 24:49
  Speaker 12: whatever they can do to criticize one nation. You've put
• 24:53
  Speaker 12: me in such a position, not in that you put
• 24:55
  Speaker 12: this man in a position as well. And I you
• 24:58
  Speaker 12: know what, it didn't need to be this way, but
• 25:01
  Speaker 12: the people have made it that way, the media and
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: the Liberal Coalition Party and they gutter politics. I've got
• 25:07
  Speaker 12: no time for them. The whole lot stinks. As paul
• 25:10
  Speaker 12: I'm concerned. I'm not happy with it.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Pauline.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I think given your polling and given your results in
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: South Australia and elsewhere, I agree with you. There's no
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: doubt there are going to be a tax coming to
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: you from the coalition parties and from Labor as well.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: They'll be trawling through everything, as you say, And obviously
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: someone's found this re employment issue and they've raised it.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: But it I just come back to this point. There
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: are you saying then, that you've only dismissed Sean Black
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: because of the public outcry that you were right to
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: re employ him after a rape conviction.
• 25:45
  Speaker 12: No, he he agreed with me to actually had leave.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: He knew this.
• 25:51
  Speaker 12: He's worked for the liberal parties, also worked for the
• 25:54
  Speaker 12: Labor Party. He's been a counselor. Okay, so he knows politics.
• 25:58
  Speaker 12: As he said, Pauline, they'll never let us on this,
• 26:01
  Speaker 12: he said, when you've come this far, he said, they've
• 26:03
  Speaker 12: never let up on it. He so it was an
• 26:06
  Speaker 12: agreement between both of us, Chris, and I feel sorry
• 26:09
  Speaker 12: for the poor man and his wife and his kids.
• 26:11
  Speaker 12: And that's why I said to your producer today, Chris,
• 26:14
  Speaker 12: I didn't want to discuss this anymore about this today.
• 26:17
  Speaker 12: I'm there because I think it's disrespectful to him and
• 26:21
  Speaker 12: his family to keep this going and going. So you've
• 26:23
  Speaker 12: kept it going again. Well, you know, I've made my
• 26:26
  Speaker 12: stance about this, and I gave this fellow a job
• 26:28
  Speaker 12: again to try and redemption after doing his time. When
• 26:34
  Speaker 12: is a man going to get on with his life,
• 26:36
  Speaker 12: and it discussed me that you've kept this going. There
• 26:39
  Speaker 12: was no need. He's done his time and he should
• 26:43
  Speaker 12: have been able to live his life in peace. But
• 26:45
  Speaker 12: it's not the case.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Is it, Pauline.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: You'll appreciate that. I ask whatever questions I like of people.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I don't get into agreements or I'm not told what
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: issues to avoid, and I wanted to clarify that with you,
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the history of this issue, and thanks for joining us.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson there alive from Queensland. You heard she didn't
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: want to talk about that. Well, it's a big issue
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: and she's got a lot to say. Many of you
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: will agree with her, some will disagree, but that's what
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: she had to say. And I was very interested to
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: hear whether or not she'd personally approve the reappointment of
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: this man.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: The reemployment of this man.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: She did, she was upfront about that, but she also
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: says the reason he's gone is the political backlash, not
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: so much the issue of the conviction itself. Let's get
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: back on to the immigration debate now, and I'm joined
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: by the Shadow Immigration Minister Jonathan Dunham, who joins us
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: live from Hobart.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Good to speak to you again, Jonathan.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: You expected the sort of criticism that you got from
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Labor today, didn't you. You knew they'd just call you
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: divisive and xenophobic rather than deal in the actual detail
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: of the policy.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:56
  Speaker 14: I figured, Chris and good to be with you, of course,
• 27:58
  Speaker 14: but I figured that it would be limp attack and
• 28:01
  Speaker 14: it was. You know, the idea that they would actually
• 28:04
  Speaker 14: deal in specifics was totally off the table, except, as
• 28:07
  Speaker 14: you said at the beginning of year program, they did
• 28:09
  Speaker 14: admit to that very alarming figure of tens of thousands
• 28:13
  Speaker 14: of people who have been here illegally staying over the
• 28:17
  Speaker 14: end of their visas, and goodness knows what they're doing
• 28:20
  Speaker 14: with no intention.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: To deal with it.
• 28:21
  Speaker 14: The one thing I could bank on was that they
• 28:24
  Speaker 14: would blame the former government. He did about eleven or
• 28:27
  Speaker 14: twelve times through that very short interview there a press
• 28:30
  Speaker 14: conference rather but at the end of the day, as
• 28:33
  Speaker 14: I predicted earlier on, there would be no solutions. There
• 28:36
  Speaker 14: would be no pathway forward from their point of view,
• 28:39
  Speaker 14: and indeed no acknowledgment that the system is broken and
• 28:42
  Speaker 14: needs to be fixed. That's the problem with this government.
• 28:44
  Speaker 14: We'd put forward a plan, as you said, one nation themselves.
• 28:47
  Speaker 14: I've said, they've got a plan. Where's labor on fixing this?
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's an important point. I disregard the claims
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: of division and the like. As I've explained at the
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: top of the program, they are completely partisan attacks. What
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: matters here is the immigration program and what you're going
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: to do about it. And it was astonishing to see
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: finally Tony Burke answering some questions on that today.
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Who are we talking about.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: There's up to seventy thousand people who have overstayed visas
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: who have no right to be.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: In this country. Can you give.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Us a sense of what sorts of people they are
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: and whether some of these people could be suspected criminals
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: or of concerns in the country.
• 29:25
  Speaker 14: There are people who've come here on some form of
• 29:27
  Speaker 14: temporary visa, student tourists or the like. They've come to
• 29:32
  Speaker 14: the end of whatever visa duration they were approved for.
• 29:35
  Speaker 14: That could have been three months, it could have been
• 29:37
  Speaker 14: a couple of years, or perhaps five years for a
• 29:39
  Speaker 14: university course, and at the end of that they've sought
• 29:43
  Speaker 14: some sort of bridging visa or a protection visa. And
• 29:46
  Speaker 14: in the case of these seventy seven thousand, they've applied,
• 29:50
  Speaker 14: they've been rejected, they've gone through the Administrative Reviews tribunal
• 29:54
  Speaker 14: and being found that they have no ability to stay on.
• 29:57
  Speaker 14: So they literally have no reg course to stay. There
• 30:01
  Speaker 14: is no further appeal. They literally need to go.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 30:04
  Speaker 14: Are some of these people perhaps unsavory types, perhaps even
• 30:07
  Speaker 14: criminals potentially, we don't know. And again, when you've got
• 30:11
  Speaker 14: a government that granted visas to people who came to
• 30:14
  Speaker 14: Australia to do a speaking tour, to tell us that
• 30:18
  Speaker 14: in the case of that fellow, the hate preacher that
• 30:20
  Speaker 14: was doing the tour over the East long weekend, you know,
• 30:24
  Speaker 14: this got a visa under Tony Burke and it was
• 30:26
  Speaker 14: only when programs like yours highlighted the problem here did
• 30:31
  Speaker 14: they do anything about it. So goodness knows who these
• 30:33
  Speaker 14: people are, but they need to go fairs, fear the
• 30:36
  Speaker 14: laws of the law.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: And once you've reached the end of.
• 30:38
  Speaker 14: Your time here, time to go home.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: Well, it was extraordinary to hear the minister blaming the
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: previous government he's been in power for four years and
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: also then promising to do something and watch this space,
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: it'll be on to it in.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: The next few months. Just extraordinary.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: But the other revelation that surprised me and I'm certain
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: will surprise a lot of Australians is that people from
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: Gaza have still been coming into the country after the ceasefire.
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: That is nuts.
• 31:06
  Speaker 14: The idea that we provide safe haven protection asylum for
• 31:10
  Speaker 14: people normally on a temporary basis is because where they've
• 31:15
  Speaker 14: come from is affected so badly by the events of
• 31:18
  Speaker 14: that region. Now a ceasefire has been entered into and
• 31:22
  Speaker 14: notionally therefore things are getting better.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: To that end, why on.
• 31:26
  Speaker 14: Earth we haven't started not only preventing more from coming
• 31:30
  Speaker 14: in on the same visa arrangements, but not making arrangements
• 31:33
  Speaker 14: for those who have come to start going home. I
• 31:37
  Speaker 14: mean these people. And there's been a lot of criticism
• 31:40
  Speaker 14: of Angus Taylor for highlighting this cohort, But anyone who
• 31:44
  Speaker 14: studied Middle East and Israeli Gazan Palestinian politics knows that
• 31:49
  Speaker 14: if you are brought up in that part of the world,
• 31:52
  Speaker 14: in Gaza, the education system will educate you to say
• 31:55
  Speaker 14: that the Jews are evil, that they must be expunged
• 31:58
  Speaker 14: from the face of the earth. They teach this in
• 32:01
  Speaker 14: their schools. If you want to try and tell me
• 32:04
  Speaker 14: that not one of those couple of thousand people that
• 32:06
  Speaker 14: have come here as guests of Australia aren't risk to
• 32:10
  Speaker 14: our national security, then you are kidding yourself.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeahtreme, I'm concerned about that. Jonathan, thanks for joining us,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: so I appreciate it. Jonathan Dunham there, who's the shadow immigration minister.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break. On the other
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: side of that, we'll check in on the Middle East war.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: We talk of new peace talks. Tom Switzer will join me.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Renewed peace talks between the US and Iran could happen
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: sooner than anticipated, with Donald Trump saying Iran is desperate
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: to make a deal.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from Fox News.
• 32:44
  Speaker 15: The US and Iran could be back at the negotiating
• 32:47
  Speaker 15: table in the next few days, as a ceasefire is
• 32:49
  Speaker 15: said to expire next week.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Is this war over?
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: I think it's close to over here.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: We'll see what happens.
• 32:56
  Speaker 12: I think they want to make a deal very badly.
• 32:58
  Speaker 15: It would be the second round of time. After the
• 33:00
  Speaker 15: US and Iran left Pakistan on Sunday without an agreement,
• 33:04
  Speaker 15: the US reportedly proposed a twenty year stop to Iran's
• 33:08
  Speaker 15: nuclear program and recent negotiations. But Iran rejected that offer,
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: and even President Trump said it didn't go far enough.
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: The President wants to make He doesn't want to make
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: like a small deal. He wants to make the Grand bargain.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's bring in Tom Switzer, columnists with the Australian.
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Tom, Chris. Look, the
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: embargo seems to be working.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: At least eight ships have been turned around by the
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: US blogger blockade at the moment. How credible are these
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: calls from Donald Trump, These claims from Donald Trump that
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Iran is desperate to make a deal.
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: Well, he's truly using the naval blockade as a way
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: of pressuring the Iranians to the negotiating table.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: The problem that's a good thing to do, though, is,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: of course, we want to win this war.
• 33:53
  Speaker 8: The problem is, as we've discussed on this program, Chris,
• 33:55
  Speaker 8: is that both sides, both the Americans and the Iranians,
• 33:59
  Speaker 8: have fundamentally incompatible goals. The Uranians have made it very
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: clear they want sanctions, relief, reparations, a commitment by the
• 34:06
  Speaker 8: Israelis and the Americans not to strike at them. But
• 34:09
  Speaker 8: how do you square that circle? But at the same time,
• 34:11
  Speaker 8: the Americans quite rightly want the Iranians to give up
• 34:14
  Speaker 8: on any plans to have uranium enrichment support for their
• 34:19
  Speaker 8: militia proxies.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: How do you square those circles?
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Well, what it means is really the answer to this
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: is Iran surrendering. They have to surrender to the US terms.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: So the US is looking to put on maximum pressure
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: to force that surrender. How sustainable do we think the
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: country of Iran is after all of the bombardment and
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: all the strategic attacks that occurred prior to the CEASFOT.
• 34:43
  Speaker 8: Although Iran has been battered and bruised, nationalism is at play,
• 34:48
  Speaker 8: and anyone who's studied the history of Persia knows that
• 34:50
  Speaker 8: these countries can rally together to fight a foreign intruder. Now,
• 34:55
  Speaker 8: all the available evidence indicates that the Iranians see what's
• 34:58
  Speaker 8: happening to them as an existent threat, so they will
• 35:01
  Speaker 8: play hardball to protect their vital interests. Whereas for the Americans,
• 35:05
  Speaker 8: when all is said and done, the straight of Horn
• 35:07
  Speaker 8: Moves is not an existential threat for the United.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: States, No, but it's very important to China.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: If this blockade prevents Iranian oil exports to China. Will
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: that lead China to put more pressure.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: On I run.
• 35:21
  Speaker 8: Possibly, but it's a question of who blinks first, will
• 35:23
  Speaker 8: be the Iranians or the Americans. And the Americans are
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: under all sorts of pressure from Middle America to end
• 35:29
  Speaker 8: this war. Otherwise, ordinary American voters and the lead up
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: to November's president congressional elections will be feeling the pain
• 35:37
  Speaker 8: of higher energy prices.
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: Now Trump's been hard to catch up with.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I think even his strongest defenders would have been blown
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: away by some of his rehtoric and his claims over
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the past week, especially attacking the Pope and Georgia Maloney,
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: the strong conservative leader of Italy, has had to take sides,
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: and she chose the Pope Pavelo.
• 35:59
  Speaker 16: What I said is what I think those statements, particularly
• 36:02
  Speaker 16: regarding the pontiff, were unacceptable. I expressed and continue to
• 36:05
  Speaker 16: express my solidarity with Pope Leo. I'll tell you more frankly,
• 36:10
  Speaker 16: I would not feel at ease in society where religious
• 36:12
  Speaker 16: leaders do what political leaders tell them to do. Let's say,
• 36:16
  Speaker 16: not in this part of the world.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Georgia Maloney there, now you know I'd have plenty
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: of criticisms of what Pope Leo has got to say,
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: But she's absolutely right, isn't she about how unwise Donald
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Trump has been here?
• 36:29
  Speaker 8: Well, look, the Vatican has made many political interventions over
• 36:33
  Speaker 8: the years. They appear to be obsessed about climate change.
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: I'd very rarely hear the Pope or his predecessors criticize
• 36:40
  Speaker 8: his Islamic extremism. They're big on refugees and critical of
• 36:44
  Speaker 8: countries putting forward tough border protection policies. But that doesn't
• 36:48
  Speaker 8: disguise Donald Trump's attack on the Pope.
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: It was unnecessary.
• 36:52
  Speaker 8: I think the Pope represents the broad cross sections of
• 36:55
  Speaker 8: a lot of Americans who are opposed to this war.
• 36:57
  Speaker 8: It makes no sense to attack him, and all it
• 36:59
  Speaker 8: does do, Chris is damage the credibility and prestige of.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: The United States.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, let's have a look at some of Trump's responses.
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: These are social media posts. He's responded to Georgia Maloney
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: saying she's the one who's unacceptable because she doesn't care
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: if Iran has a nuclear weapon and would blow Italy
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: to smithereens in two minutes if it had the chance.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: I'm shocked by her. I thought she was brave, but
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: I was wrong. And then when it comes to the pope,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: he's had another crack. He says he shouldn't be talking
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: about war because he has no idea.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: What's going on.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: He doesn't understand that forty two thousand protesters were killed
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: in Iran last week. Now, of course iruns an evil regime,
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: and all those protesters were killed, we don't know the
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: exact numbers. But this sort of vitriol postal on social media,
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: he has no filter.
• 37:44
  Speaker 8: It's unnecessary, but surely it's counterproductive. It is and as
• 37:48
  Speaker 8: I said before, it hurts American credibility and prestige, which
• 37:53
  Speaker 8: are useful supplements to American power and influence in the world.
• 37:57
  Speaker 8: And to the extent he keeps up with these antics,
• 38:00
  Speaker 8: and remember he turns eighty years of age in June,
• 38:03
  Speaker 8: to the extent that he keeps up with his antiques,
• 38:05
  Speaker 8: and we've got two years and nine months to go
• 38:07
  Speaker 8: with the Trump residency, he's going to do a lot
• 38:10
  Speaker 8: of damage to American credibility and prestige.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: What you would give for to have a sensible political advisor,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: a chief of staff for the like who got between
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: him and his social media posts.
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Just someone to filter them or scrap them before they well.
• 38:22
  Speaker 8: Peggy Nunan, the former Reagan speech writer who writes to
• 38:25
  Speaker 8: The Wall Street Journal, said, if only Donald Trump. We're saying,
• 38:29
  Speaker 8: that's one way to look at it.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Always a pleasure Chris tom Switzer that he can read
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: his stuff in the Australian.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: We've got to get to a break. On the other
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: side of that, We'll go to the UK. We'll catch
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: up with Esther Krakh because.
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: Immigration and the downside of it is big news in
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: the UK too.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Let's get back to the immigration debate.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: The UK is dealing with an asylum crisis, with the
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: latest figures showing that over one hundred thousand people are
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: being housed by the government, including thirty thousand in hotels
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  Speaker 2: which the Labor government has promised to close before the
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: next election.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Here's the latest from sky News UK.
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  Speaker 17: Eleven asylum hotels have been closed, saving nearly sixty five
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  Speaker 17: million pounds a year, with more set to close in
• 39:17
  Speaker 17: the coming weeks, the government has announced today, but Home
• 39:20
  Speaker 17: Office Minister Alex Norris has denied the department is just
• 39:23
  Speaker 17: moving the problem from hotels to more basic accommodation.
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  Speaker 1: Well it's a mixture of factors.
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  Speaker 18: As I say, we're pivoting now to the use of
• 39:30
  Speaker 18: more basic accommodation like military sites. Similarly, we're removing at
• 39:34
  Speaker 18: a much faster rate than we have for many years,
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  Speaker 18: so those we've got no right to be here at
• 39:38
  Speaker 18: leaving the country, leaving the supported population, so we don't
• 39:40
  Speaker 18: need to house as many people.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the UK now and catch up with
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: the writer and broadcaster Esther Krakhu as we do every Wednesday.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: You're joining us from London. Good to talk to you again.
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Is there These issues are very familiar to Australians. We've
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: been down this path many times. The immigration debate has
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: flared up here again. Where have most of these immigrants
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: come from? Have they come across in boats or do
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: they just come into the UK legally and then overstay.
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  Speaker 19: So most of the ones that you're seeing in being
• 40:12
  Speaker 19: moved from asylum hotels to soldier barracks, for example, are
• 40:17
  Speaker 19: mainly people that are coming across on small boats from
• 40:20
  Speaker 19: across the Channel from Belgium, from France and also increasingly
• 40:23
  Speaker 19: from Belgium, which doesn't get as much attention. Some of
• 40:27
  Speaker 19: them will go to places like Ireland and then come
• 40:29
  Speaker 19: across illegally and claim asylum in the UK. But it's
• 40:34
  Speaker 19: mainly the Channel migrants that you're seeing in in asylum hotels.
• 40:39
  Speaker 19: I think the main issue here is not the fact
• 40:41
  Speaker 19: that these people are being moved from hotels to barracks.
• 40:44
  Speaker 19: It's just it's basically the fact that.
• 40:46
  Speaker 12: They're moving the problem.
• 40:47
  Speaker 19: So when you have the migrants and asylum hotels, everyone
• 40:50
  Speaker 19: in the neighborhood knows these hotels.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: It's very obvious.
• 40:53
  Speaker 19: You know, there's a sign that they run, they're managed,
• 40:57
  Speaker 19: their planning, permission is managed by the council. What does
• 40:59
  Speaker 19: happen opening is you're moving these people to either barracks
• 41:02
  Speaker 19: which are on the outskirts of towns, or increasingly into
• 41:05
  Speaker 19: h moods, which is multiple occupancy housing, which is basically
• 41:09
  Speaker 19: what is happening is you have giant companies like Circo
• 41:12
  Speaker 19: that approached landlords, for example, who either are willing to
• 41:17
  Speaker 19: sell their property or rented out to Circles. So Circle
• 41:21
  Speaker 19: gets contracts for like two three years from these private
• 41:25
  Speaker 19: landlords and basically contract those to the government to house
• 41:29
  Speaker 19: maybe ten or twelve of these asylum migrants. So you're
• 41:32
  Speaker 19: you're one, you're you're allowing these migrants to complete Pete
• 41:35
  Speaker 19: with the general supply of housing, which is limited, and
• 41:38
  Speaker 19: we know that house building hasn't kept up with the population.
• 41:40
  Speaker 19: But also it's allowing basically discontled landlords who don't want
• 41:45
  Speaker 19: to deal with new tendancy laws that the government is
• 41:47
  Speaker 19: always pushing through to basically say, you know what, I'm
• 41:49
  Speaker 19: just going to have this guaranteed contract from from Circle,
• 41:52
  Speaker 19: effectively the government for two thousand or three thousand pounds
• 41:56
  Speaker 19: per head to house these migrants for the next two
• 41:58
  Speaker 19: to three years. It's fine, it may seem like an
• 42:01
  Speaker 19: optics win for the government, but it's actually worse because
• 42:03
  Speaker 19: you have these houses in people's neighborhoods that they don't know,
• 42:06
  Speaker 19: that they can't identify because it just looks like any
• 42:08
  Speaker 19: other house that has about ten to twelve men in
• 42:10
  Speaker 19: it from god knows where, places like Ethiopia, Eritrea, Somalia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Iran,
• 42:19
  Speaker 19: and these people are being housed in these neighborhoods inconspicuously.
• 42:23
  Speaker 19: And this is what's actually I think, going to threaten
• 42:25
  Speaker 19: to make people angrier. It's one thing to have them
• 42:27
  Speaker 19: in hotels, but at least you know, a hotel. You
• 42:29
  Speaker 19: don't know when these men are living in multi multiple
• 42:33
  Speaker 19: occupancy homes right next to schools for example. We've actually
• 42:36
  Speaker 19: heard stories of you know, strange men coming in and
• 42:39
  Speaker 19: out of these massive houses for example, and they're loitering
• 42:43
  Speaker 19: around schools and you know, people in the communities are
• 42:46
  Speaker 19: very concerned.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Still a massive political issue, no doubt in the UK
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: the Rwanda solution cains and nothing but the sounds of it.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: Will follow up with you again next week, no doubt there.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: So thanks so much for joining us. It's the cracker
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: there in the UK to get to a break on
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: the other side. Christy mcsweeny and Caleb Bond on but
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: some pieces, including the day two of that non Royal tour.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Let's get into the Wednesday wrangle with a couple of
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: special guests this week. I've joined on the desk by
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: the co host of the late debate, cayleb Bond and
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: fellow Crow supporter are importantly well and in Melbourne we're
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: joined by Christy McSweeney the pr Council.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again. Christy.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: We've got to start on this immigration debate. It's going
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: to be the hot button issue around the country. Christy
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: was very unsurprising to see Labor say that the Coalition
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: are chasing one nation voters, that they're trying to be divisive.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: They don't see the want to recognize that there are
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: real problems in this country with too much immigration and
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: with social cohesion issues.
• 43:52
  Speaker 20: Well, we're hearing so often that people are turning towards
• 43:56
  Speaker 20: Pauline Hanson because they respect the authenticity and the convict politicians. Although, Chris,
• 44:02
  Speaker 20: that interview that you've just had there with miss Hansen,
• 44:05
  Speaker 20: I think is a reckoning of if you want to
• 44:07
  Speaker 20: be a major party in this country, there are rules
• 44:10
  Speaker 20: that you have to abide by, and so we might
• 44:14
  Speaker 20: see the cracks in that facade starting to go. However,
• 44:18
  Speaker 20: you know, the Ankus Taylor's speech was nothing if not
• 44:22
  Speaker 20: conviction politics that we heard, and so it is a
• 44:27
  Speaker 20: conversation that Australia has to have. There's been lots of
• 44:31
  Speaker 20: diplomatic language from both the major parties over the last
• 44:36
  Speaker 20: decade or so, and this surge of people being drawn
• 44:41
  Speaker 20: to the immigration question and one nation stance on it
• 44:45
  Speaker 20: has forced the Liberal Party to perhaps get some further
• 44:48
  Speaker 20: conviction and do away with that diplomatic language. Now, I
• 44:53
  Speaker 20: don't think it's entirely a response to one nation. It's
• 44:56
  Speaker 20: a response to frequent polling that demonstrates Australians are concerned
• 45:00
  Speaker 20: and about this issue and Labor is ignoring it.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Yes, but on I think Caleb, obviously one nation plays
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: a role. It's demonstrated how the Coalition has lost touch
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: with its base, and it's pushing the coalition back to
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: what should be its core agenda.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Indeed, and that is a good thing. I mean.
• 45:15
  Speaker 11: The really disappointing part of all of this, though, is
• 45:18
  Speaker 11: that we had a federal election last May, and it
• 45:21
  Speaker 11: was so important that the Coalition hit the ground running
• 45:24
  Speaker 11: straight after if it wanted to have any chance of
• 45:26
  Speaker 11: cloring back territory at the next election. It's only now
• 45:30
  Speaker 11: in March the following year that we have an immigration policy.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: And I like the look of it.
• 45:36
  Speaker 11: But it's taken far too long for this to be
• 45:38
  Speaker 11: put on the table. And remember when Susan Lee said,
• 45:41
  Speaker 11: you know, everything was on the table. I mean that
• 45:43
  Speaker 11: table was groaning under the weight of everything that was
• 45:46
  Speaker 11: on it. And then we were told that Lee and
• 45:48
  Speaker 11: her team were working on an immigration policy, but it
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: was never released. You know, I'm glad we got there,
• 45:54
  Speaker 11: but heck, it's taken way too long.
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it shows the folly of this just waiting
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: around having review. I mean, it's not rocket science to
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: say that the coalition ought to be strong on national
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: security security, primarily strong on economic management and also on
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: border protection and the like and immigration and looking to
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: ignore that for so long was ridiculous.
• 46:15
  Speaker 11: I look at the areas where one nation did well
• 46:17
  Speaker 11: in South Australia, for instance, out of suburban seats labor
• 46:20
  Speaker 11: out of suburban seats.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Which are full of migrants.
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: What does that tell you margrants themselves also have an
• 46:27
  Speaker 11: issue with large scale migrat Yeah.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, this comes out time and time again, and surveys
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: and the like.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: People who have come here legally made a good fist
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: of it.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: They want to see that the rest of the immigration
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: is legal and organized as well.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Christy.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: I'm interested in your point too about one nation now
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: having to face up to some of the scrutiny that
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: comes with being a major party.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: But I think Pauline Enhanson is also right that the
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: major parties will be digging around and throwing any dirt
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: at them that they can. It's again, that's fair enough
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: because the major parties do that to each other every day.
• 47:05
  Speaker 20: Well, that's expected, Chris. That comes with the territory of
• 47:09
  Speaker 20: trying to steal votes off the major parties, and as
• 47:12
  Speaker 20: we've just mentioned, we've seen them eat into labor party areas.
• 47:17
  Speaker 20: It does resonate with those people who are perhaps trade
• 47:21
  Speaker 20: union trade qualified gen X men, and even Bill Shorten
• 47:27
  Speaker 20: himself has said publicly, you know, some of my mates
• 47:29
  Speaker 20: in the Union are leaning towards One Nation. We all
• 47:33
  Speaker 20: know he's from the right wing of the AWU, and
• 47:37
  Speaker 20: so it is eating into their votes. They're not going
• 47:40
  Speaker 20: to run in Pharaoh. Why would they because they don't
• 47:43
  Speaker 20: want any further evidence and certainly none at a federal
• 47:46
  Speaker 20: level that demonstrates One Nation is also taking votes from them.
• 47:52
  Speaker 20: But yes, it is a coalition issue. Look, I don't
• 47:55
  Speaker 20: know how Angers Taylor and the coalition is going to
• 47:57
  Speaker 20: manage this messaging of this policy inter urban seats beyond Farah,
• 48:03
  Speaker 20: but I think right now, yes, it's courageous. Yes it's
• 48:06
  Speaker 20: signaling a conviction led coalition, and certainly ahead of the
• 48:10
  Speaker 20: by election, I think it's a speech he had to make.
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: Let me get your thoughts, Caleb on the big news
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: of today, and that is the non Royal tour going on.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Have a look at this.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Prince Harry or former Prince Harry turned up at the
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Western Bulldogs footy club.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, why the Bulldogs. I don't know. I suppose
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: British Bulldogs.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: He showed us that he can't really kick a footy
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: and he ham passes like a pom.
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: But good on it. Have you got the interview stitched
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: up with Megan and Harry.
• 48:35
  Speaker 11: I don't think anyone's got the interview stitched up because
• 48:37
  Speaker 11: they don't want to face the hard questions, do they.
• 48:40
  Speaker 11: I mean, they wouldn't dare face up to the music.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: I just love.
• 48:44
  Speaker 11: I mean, look, it's good to see him giving it
• 48:45
  Speaker 11: a go and maybe he can take one of the
• 48:47
  Speaker 11: best games in the world back to tommy Land and
• 48:50
  Speaker 11: get them to adopt it over there, perhaps, But what
• 48:53
  Speaker 11: an exercise in ego and carry on?
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: You know, the drifters.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Will privacy to it, provac to it, digging out that
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: South Park episode.
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: If you haven't seen it, the world, privacy to it.
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: It's happening in Australia.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Now, I've just got time to share this with you,
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: and I generated take on some real words from Donald Trump.
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: You might love it.
• 49:17
  Speaker 8: I did first it and I thought it was me
• 49:18
  Speaker 8: as a doctor and.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: Had to do with the Red Cross as a Red
• 49:22
  Speaker 6: Cross worker there, which we support, and only the fake
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: news could come up with that one.
• 49:27
  Speaker 15: So I.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Just heard about it and.
• 49:32
  Speaker 12: I said, how did they come up with that?
• 49:34
  Speaker 8: It's supposed to be me as a doctor making people better,
• 49:37
  Speaker 8: and I do make people better.
• 49:38
  Speaker 12: I make people a lot better.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Christine, and kind of thanks so much for joining us.
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: That apparently was an IO image of Donald Trump as
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: a doctor.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Thanks for watching. We'll be back tomorrow. He is Peter
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Kridlin