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Reiki Conversations, with Yolanda and Gwen · Reiki Radio Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, beautiful alchemist. Welcome to Reiki Radio. I'm your host, Yolanda,
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  Speaker 1: and I know it has been a while. Some of
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  Speaker 1: you are aware I've had a lot going on in
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  Speaker 1: the background. We'll just say that. But everything is going well.
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  Speaker 1: Part of the busyness in the background was the interviewing
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  Speaker 1: for the Reiki Raise Global Healing Summit, the 11th Global
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  Speaker 1: Healing Summit. I was fortunate enough to be invited to
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  Speaker 1: co-host again and this year I was co-hosting with Natalie Jasper.
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  Speaker 1: So I have been thinking about and I've shared with
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  Speaker 1: you all recently that I wanted to return kind of
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  Speaker 1: to the origin of Reiki Radio and getting more open
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  Speaker 1: and personalized about Reiki practices and just relationship to Reiki
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  Speaker 1: and exactly what inspired the podcast to begin with. But I,
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  Speaker 1: a few days ago, reached out to a beautiful friend
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  Speaker 1: of mine that you all may be familiar with, Gwen,
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  Speaker 1: who is also known as my spiritual butterfly. Gwen Allison
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  Speaker 1: is a Reiki teacher and she teaches out in the
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  Speaker 1: UK and I reached out to her and I said, hey,
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  Speaker 1: will you join me for a Reiki conversation? And she
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  Speaker 1: was like, yeah, of course. You know, she and I
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  Speaker 1: talk in the background all the time. And she apparently
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  Speaker 1: didn't know that I meant for the podcast. So she
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  Speaker 1: did come and we started having our conversation about Reiki.
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  Speaker 1: And then a few minutes later, I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I have to record this, you know. So, yeah, it's
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  Speaker 1: quite funny. She mentions it at the end of the episode.
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  Speaker 1: But I think that the conversation we had will be
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  Speaker 1: very supportive for many of you who are practicing Reiki
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  Speaker 1: or curious about Reiki, wherever you fall on the spectrum.
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  Speaker 1: And I, again, I'm just so thankful to be able
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  Speaker 1: to be a part of these conversations. And I hope
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  Speaker 1: you really do enjoy what is shared with Gwen and
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  Speaker 1: I today. Hopefully it will spark love. some of your
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  Speaker 1: own interests, realizations, curiosity, and you can reach out to
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  Speaker 1: both Gwen and myself. The ways to connect with us
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  Speaker 1: are down in the show description. I also want to
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  Speaker 1: remind you all that, as I mentioned, I was co-hosting,
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  Speaker 1: conducting interviews for the 11th Reiki Raise Global Healing Summit,
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  Speaker 1: and that is now available. So I explain in the
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  Speaker 1: episode how your options for accessing the summit, but there
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  Speaker 1: is a link down in the show description. If you
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  Speaker 1: want to get your all access pass now, I'd recommend
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  Speaker 1: doing it right now. If it's something you are considering
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  Speaker 1: only because you get an early bird special and that
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  Speaker 1: way you have access to all of the interviews, all
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  Speaker 1: of the conversations, and you can go through them at
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  Speaker 1: your own pace. So if you are interested in expanding
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  Speaker 1: your own awareness and around Reiki from a bunch of
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  Speaker 1: different lenses and perspectives and topics, then use the link
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  Speaker 1: below and get your ticket for the summit. That aside,
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  Speaker 1: my loves, I am just thankful to be here with you. Again,
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  Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy the conversation and I want to
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  Speaker 1: say thank you so much to Gwen for saying yes,
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  Speaker 1: even though she thought we were just having a friend
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  Speaker 1: conversation about this But let me tell you a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about Gwen if you haven't met her already. She
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  Speaker 1: is a successful transformational life coach, an expert Reiki master teacher,
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  Speaker 1: and the founder of My Spiritual Butterfly. Gwen's spiritual journey
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  Speaker 1: started over 15 years ago with the discovery of inspirational
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  Speaker 1: teachings such as the Law of Attraction and The Secret.
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  Speaker 1: These teachings allowed Gwen to finally understand how deeply our
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  Speaker 1: interpretation of our experience is affects our reality. And we
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  Speaker 1: talk a little bit about that in this conversation as well.
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  Speaker 1: So after facing a life-changing experience, she had challenges through
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  Speaker 1: a painful divorce. She had gone through the experience of
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  Speaker 1: loss and just stressful, what she says is stressful redundancy.
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  Speaker 1: She became an advanced life coach in 2008 and then
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  Speaker 1: a Yasui Reiki practitioner in 2015. And that's also when
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  Speaker 1: she started her holistic business. So you will learn a
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  Speaker 1: lot today about what both of us have experienced through
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  Speaker 1: the practices and teachings of Reiki, how it has evolved
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  Speaker 1: for us. And again, hopefully you find some resonance with
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  Speaker 1: what is shared.
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  Speaker 2: I will see you on the other side. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I guess to start, it is kind of funny.
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  Speaker 1: We were laughing at, we were already chatting about this
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  Speaker 1: before I hit record, but I just want to thank
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  Speaker 1: you again, Gwen, for taking time to have this conversation today.
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  Speaker 2: You're welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for inviting me. It's always amazing talking to you.
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  Speaker 3: So many insightful things always come up. So I love it.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: Really happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, same.
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  Speaker 1: And this is one of the things I'm sure everyone
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  Speaker 1: who listens to the podcast knows I have been kind
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  Speaker 1: of MIA lately. But like I was sharing with you,
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  Speaker 1: I really just wanted to have an open, honest conversation
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  Speaker 1: about Reiki with someone else I know is an incredible
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  Speaker 1: teacher and practitioner. And you and I talk so much
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  Speaker 1: behind the scenes. But we also both had an opportunity
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  Speaker 1: recently to be a part of the Reiki Rays Global
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  Speaker 1: Healing Summit. And this was the 11th year. And there
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  Speaker 1: are so many perspectives and information about Reiki there. So
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  Speaker 1: that also inspired just wanting to have this conversation with
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  Speaker 1: you to hear more just about you, Gwen, you know,
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  Speaker 1: your relationship to Reiki and Anything that stands out to
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  Speaker 1: you as different than when you first began?
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  Speaker 3: God, yeah. I think when I first began, I think
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  Speaker 3: it felt I was doing everything the way I was taught,
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  Speaker 3: very prescriptive, which was still beautiful because it was allowing
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  Speaker 3: me to feel more and sense more because I was
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  Speaker 3: still kind of left-brained and feeling some things but not everything.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, it did then allow me to bring some
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  Speaker 3: structure into my life in terms of always wanting to
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  Speaker 3: meditate daily and never succeeding at that. And with the Reiki, initially,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I wanted to do my daily Reiki to
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  Speaker 3: get through the 21 days. Yeah. But then I didn't
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  Speaker 3: want to stop. I just really enjoyed it and loved it.
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  Speaker 3: But I just think over time with the way I
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  Speaker 3: teach Reiki, particularly, I've just become a little bit freer,
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  Speaker 3: a little bit looser, a little bit less rigid in
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  Speaker 3: my thinking and the practice and everything. Because definitely at
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  Speaker 3: the beginning, I was very strict about certain things, even
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  Speaker 3: down to the person having their arms by their side.
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  Speaker 3: taking off all their jewelry and all these different little things, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that I was taught is what we could do to
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  Speaker 3: allow the energy to flow and things like that. And
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  Speaker 3: then gradually when you teach, you probably notice this as well, Yolanda,
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  Speaker 3: you see your students start to do things even in
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  Speaker 3: reiki shares and sessions that you're like, oh no, we
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  Speaker 3: shouldn't do it like that. You know, you might see
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  Speaker 3: students naturally wanting to pluck energy out or move energy
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  Speaker 3: out and we're taught it's just this, you know. So
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  Speaker 3: I think Over time, I've corrected less and just, I
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  Speaker 3: think just feeling more into the essence of what McKay
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  Speaker 3: Sui may have wanted, as we were saying before, we
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  Speaker 3: don't really know what he was thinking, but the essence
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  Speaker 3: of Reiki is that it's what we are and therefore
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  Speaker 3: everyone will interpret it slightly differently. Everyone will experience it differently.
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  Speaker 3: We know that for sure. Everyone has different experiences of Reiki,
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  Speaker 3: whether they're giving or receiving. And so it's always evolving,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as well energy never just stagnates. It's always
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  Speaker 3: moving and evolving and growing. And so I think in
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  Speaker 3: terms of my practice and in terms of how I teach,
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  Speaker 3: I've just become a little bit more relaxed about it,
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  Speaker 3: less rigid. And, you know, I'm still learning as well.
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  Speaker 3: I'm still the student in that sense. And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: that's I think been a big shift for me in
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  Speaker 3: terms of, how I teach Reiki, understanding that perhaps the
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  Speaker 3: intention was just to be compassionate with ourselves, not try
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  Speaker 3: to box it in too much without dishonoring the tradition,
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  Speaker 3: you know, the original tradition of it, understanding that it's
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  Speaker 3: all energy. I don't know if you found a similar thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually, it's amazing hearing you say this because
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  Speaker 1: it was very similar for me. Now, hindsight, of course,
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  Speaker 1: I look back and I realize just like you, I
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  Speaker 1: was very structured. I was very rigid about what my
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  Speaker 1: daily practice was. And, you know, now looking back, I
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  Speaker 1: realize there was this I was worried about not.
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  Speaker 2: Doing it right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And so, and it wasn't so much just with my
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  Speaker 1: personal practice, because when I was practicing in the beginning,
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  Speaker 1: you know, doing what my teacher said and all of
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  Speaker 1: these things, I was having personal experiences of, you know,
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  Speaker 1: energy moving in such a way that I started having
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  Speaker 1: realizations about myself, my behaviors. I started having emotions and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, experiencing myself differently than I ever had prior
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  Speaker 1: to the practice of Reiki and meditation. But I was
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  Speaker 1: really worried about not doing it right for clients or
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  Speaker 1: even friends that I was practicing on. So I put
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  Speaker 1: a lot of pressure on myself in the beginning and
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  Speaker 1: that caused me to be Like you say, I was
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  Speaker 1: very rigid about, well, this is what I'm supposed to do. Interestingly, though,
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  Speaker 1: early on, I felt kind of pulled to do things
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  Speaker 1: or move my hands in ways that I wasn't taught
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  Speaker 1: in class. And so, you know, because of some of
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  Speaker 1: the experiences I started having and working with other people
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  Speaker 1: and myself, that's what then made me want to study
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  Speaker 1: intuitive development and all of these things, because there were
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  Speaker 1: experiences I started to have that weren't taught in my
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  Speaker 1: Reiki classes um yeah so it's very very similar I
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  Speaker 1: I definitely notice even still to this day like you
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  Speaker 1: say so many years later that the practice keeps evolving
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  Speaker 1: I think the relationship with Reiki the relationship with energy
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  Speaker 1: the relationship with our minds the relationship with ourselves like
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  Speaker 1: Every aspect of our existence seems to evolve through the practice.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, but in the beginning, I was just really
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  Speaker 1: concerned or worried about doing it right.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And students still say the same. I mean, I
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  Speaker 3: was the same as well. Oh, I couldn't remember what
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  Speaker 3: you said. So I thought, well, I'm doing it wrong.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't remember the symbols, so I didn't do it.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like, your Reiki worked before the symbols. It
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  Speaker 3: will continue to work. And then we get in our
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  Speaker 3: head because that's how we've been brought up in this world,
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  Speaker 3: to do something, learn it, learn it right, do an
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  Speaker 3: exam in it, and then you know you've got it
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  Speaker 3: properly down. Whereas with Reiki, there's no test, there's no exam.
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  Speaker 3: And so it's just giving permission, giving people permission just
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  Speaker 3: to be freer with it. within the certain confines. We
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  Speaker 3: don't want to be like, you know, pounding people on
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  Speaker 3: the head, say, oh, it's Reiki. But, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's just allowing my students just to do Reiki for
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  Speaker 3: five minutes or, you know, they don't have to do
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  Speaker 3: it for, you know, you've got the 12 hand positions.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have to do that. You know, all of
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  Speaker 3: those things. And even in my practice, that flexibility came
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  Speaker 3: in but even Torsten my Reiki master would say any
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  Speaker 3: Reiki is better than no Reiki and I took that
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  Speaker 3: on boards and I tried to say that with my
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  Speaker 3: students but they forget and something in them wants to
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  Speaker 3: learn it exactly and repeat it exactly as they were
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  Speaker 3: taught and not understanding that in the classroom scenario we
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  Speaker 3: have to have this structure to keep everybody together if
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  Speaker 3: everyone just arrived and said hey just go where you
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  Speaker 3: feel just do what you like you know we didn't
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  Speaker 3: have a class so We need that structure. And I
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  Speaker 3: try to say to them, just let go now when
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  Speaker 3: you're at home. You don't have to do it like this.
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  Speaker 3: You can place your hands in two places. You can
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  Speaker 3: be just here for five minutes or whatever it is
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  Speaker 3: you feel you need to do. You can listen to that.
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  Speaker 3: Spend longer at a certain point. It doesn't have to
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  Speaker 3: be a two-minute, two-minute thing or three-minute, three-minute. Let go
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  Speaker 3: of that rigidity that was put in just to be
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  Speaker 3: able to allow you to have a safe learning environment, really.
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  Speaker 3: But when you're at home, you can play with it
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more. But yeah, I think students find
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  Speaker 3: it hard to move away from, am I doing it right?
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  Speaker 3: Am I doing it wrong? It takes a while for
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  Speaker 3: them to kind of really let go of that, I think.
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  Speaker 3: And it did me as well. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting hearing you say, so one of the
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  Speaker 1: things that's coming up, I would love to talk to
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  Speaker 1: you about is the ongoing support aspect that I know
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  Speaker 1: we both provide for people. And I think that's an
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  Speaker 1: important component. Like a lot of people may take, a
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  Speaker 1: weekend class. And then just because they got a certification,
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  Speaker 1: they think that's the end of educating themselves.
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  Speaker 2: And it's like, no, this is.
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  Speaker 1: A lifelong practice. And, you know, it really serves us
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  Speaker 1: to continue educating ourselves as we ourselves are evolving through
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  Speaker 1: the practice. But you remind me of something that I
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  Speaker 1: want to touch on first. With what you're describing, it
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  Speaker 1: reminds me of, again, why the foundations are so important.
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  Speaker 1: like just to your point, to learn, you know, hand
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  Speaker 1: positions and to learn all the things we learn in
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  Speaker 1: the classes, one, two, and three, quite frankly, are important
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  Speaker 1: because we are, we're very, we need a structure. We
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  Speaker 1: need a formula to begin, to feel comfortable enough to
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  Speaker 1: believe that we're doing whatever it is we're supposed to
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  Speaker 1: be doing, so to speak. But What I love about
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  Speaker 1: this practice or the system of Reiki specifically is even
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  Speaker 1: though I had my period of being so attached to,
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  Speaker 1: am I doing it right? And then starting to allow
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  Speaker 1: myself to experiment with how I was feeling guided. I
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  Speaker 1: went through almost like going rogue and totally stepping away
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  Speaker 1: from the way that I was taught and just solely
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  Speaker 1: focused on how I was being guided. And then that
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  Speaker 1: brought me looped back around to going back to the foundations,
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  Speaker 1: even just, you know, the symbols or ankaku, all of
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  Speaker 1: these things. But now studying and practicing them with a
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  Speaker 1: different lens. So I think that's an interesting thing, too.
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  Speaker 1: I always think it's important for people to know how
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  Speaker 1: you may understand something in the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: If you continue to be a student always, even if
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  Speaker 1: you become a teacher, you will understand all of it
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  Speaker 1: differently through your practice. So I think that's one of
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  Speaker 1: the interesting things, the way, again, I'll just use the
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  Speaker 1: symbols as an example. I feel like my relationship, my
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  Speaker 1: understanding of working with the symbols has evolved drastically from
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  Speaker 1: my first class or, you know, my second level two
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  Speaker 1: or these kinds of things.
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  Speaker 2: What about you?
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  Speaker 1: Has anything in terms of not just being so rigid
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  Speaker 1: about the hand positions, but has the understanding of the
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  Speaker 1: system changed for.
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  Speaker 2: You at all?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in terms of moving from that rigidity
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  Speaker 3: to realizing that we can bring Reiki into everything, kind
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  Speaker 3: of what you were saying, into our lives and relate
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  Speaker 3: to it differently. And I think it is really powerfully
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  Speaker 3: understanding that Reiki is what we are.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And therefore all things are possible and everything is energy.
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  Speaker 3: And if I have that same intention, that same focus
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  Speaker 3: with everything that I'm doing or any challenging times or
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  Speaker 3: any pain or, you know, anything in our lives really,
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  Speaker 3: then we can call in this energy. So it isn't
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  Speaker 3: just something that we just use. you know, once a
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  Speaker 3: day or twice a day in the morning for a
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  Speaker 3: few minutes and then we forget about it and live
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  Speaker 3: our normal human existence, it can walk side by side
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  Speaker 3: with us throughout our whole day. And I think, and
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  Speaker 3: I love experimenting with things like that. Things just come
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  Speaker 3: to me and then I try it. You know, I
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  Speaker 3: just get an idea if I, you know, whether it's
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  Speaker 3: me being in pain and then just bringing in this
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  Speaker 3: golden energy of Reiki coming down on me as I'm
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  Speaker 3: lying there. Um, so moving away from, oh, it's about
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  Speaker 3: hand positions too. I am Reiki, which is why we can,
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  Speaker 3: I just finished the Reiki master last week. We practiced, um,
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  Speaker 3: which is sending Reiki.
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  Speaker 2: With the eyes.
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  Speaker 3: It's a thing, you know, for the Eastern side, I
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  Speaker 3: don't think they practice it on the Western side. Um,
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  Speaker 3: we also said Reiki with the breath and we use
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  Speaker 3: that in the two months. Um, and I, I take
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  Speaker 3: them one step further and we send it with the
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  Speaker 3: heart and things like that. So it's realizing really every
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  Speaker 3: part of you is Reiki. not just the hands, it's
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  Speaker 3: not just animating from just your hands, it's animating from everywhere.
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  Speaker 3: But we can also bring it in where energy is everywhere, right?
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  Speaker 3: And so we can, we're like this conductors of energy,
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  Speaker 3: we are antennas, we can receive and send energy. And
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  Speaker 3: I liken it to, I don't know if you have
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  Speaker 3: them in the States, but the little wind turbines that
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  Speaker 3: create electricity, that you see them in fields, yeah. So
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  Speaker 3: that's just siphoning energy from the atmosphere, from the air,
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  Speaker 3: and creating electricity with that. And we're the same. When
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  Speaker 3: we call this energy in, then all of these, whether
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  Speaker 3: it's photons, electrons, neutrons, these subatomic particles gather. We're able
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  Speaker 3: to affect matter from an energetic perspective. Yeah, something that
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  Speaker 3: Joe Dispenza talks about, Dr. Joe Dispenza. We spend a
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  Speaker 3: lot of our lives... in a sort of matter versus
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  Speaker 3: matter way, trying to fix things with force, with doing.
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  Speaker 3: And then when we let go and we realize that
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  Speaker 3: we can much more easily affect matter from an energetic
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  Speaker 3: perspective process method it's more powerful you know even in
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  Speaker 3: the surrendering of something that you're stuck with so many
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  Speaker 3: things have come to me there's so.
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  Speaker 6: Many things coming up with what you're saying when I
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  Speaker 6: just want to like point out a couple of things
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  Speaker 6: you said before we keep going this is why I
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: want to talk to you Gwen this conversation already is
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: the type of conversation I wish was available when I
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: was that practitioner questioning myself when I was the one
• 20:24
  Speaker 6: wondering if I was doing things wrong because what I
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: was experiencing may have been different than what I learned
• 20:30
  Speaker 6: in class or what my.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: Teachers spoke about Although we'll have to talk about two.
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I think the conversations are also expanding and changing within
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: the community, which is very cool to see. But a
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: couple of things. So one with what you just said
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: about being able to affect matter more. This is, I think,
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: so foundational and probably isn't touched on enough in terms
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: of people understanding the importance of practice and the importance
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: of cultivating their capacity to hold and acclimate to the
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: higher frequencies the higher intelligence like I think a lot
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: of people you know like yes you can have one
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: attunement and you would never have to have one again
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: that's fine but if you practice and cultivate your awareness
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: around the presence of energy I think initially when we
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: start it does feel almost like this foreign separate thing
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: for from us because all of a sudden which is
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: not familiar to us yet we start to feel energy
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: and heat and all these sensations in our hands and
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: so we're like oh wow this is amazing and it
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: seems again separate from us because we just weren't aware
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: of it before and And then as we keep practicing,
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: just like you say, we start to recognize like, what?
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: This is emitting from my entire body. Like I can
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: feel it. I'm experiencing it. But I think part of
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: that awareness like graduates again as we come more in
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: relationship to energy being part of our expression. We become
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: more and more aware. And I believe that that also
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: then is what supports us in developing our frequency, so
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: to speak, right? And that I think is important for
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: people to hear because as you say, some people come
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: into these practices or other types of systems and they
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: do it because they want to change their life. And
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: because that is their point of focus, they try to,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: you know, like just like Reiki everything outside of them.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Like I'm going to Reiki my job. I'm going to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Reiki my relationship. I'm going to Reiki this, that, this.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: But it's like, no, no, no.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: You are at the foundation of your life. Like you're
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: the one creating it.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: You're the one.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: Your life is attuned to the frequency of you. So
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: I think if people really understood and could grasp more
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: of how you are developing and how you are changing
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: your the frequency of your mind, the capacity to be
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: more loving and compassionate, like those aspects of this energetic
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: recognition are what then help you meet life differently. That's
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: where we start to see change. So I think it's very,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to point that out because what you said, um,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I hope it does help people know that this isn't just,
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you know, uh, like a parlor trick like oh no
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: my hands got hot no it's really has the potential
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: to change our life.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah yeah i love that what you're saying is
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: we were you started by saying that you know you
• 24:02
  Speaker 3: can have just one attunement but your daily practice is
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: important and it just occurred to me every time we're
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: sitting down to practice reiki we are attuning ourselves even
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: more to that energy and there's really no end to it.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: That's why you and I, you've been practicing Reiki longer
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: than I have, me 11 years, you I think 15 years,
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: a long time. And it's still, yeah, well maybe whatever,
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: 15 years. But every time we're learning something new because
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: we're allowing something new in with that daily practice, with
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: understanding how we can use it daily, And even if
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: we are saying, you know what, I want to reiki
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: my job, it isn't that, okay, here you are, job, reiki,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: get better.
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: It isn't.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: Usually what happens is a reflection, which points us back
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: to exactly as you say, compassion for the job. Okay,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: it brings money in and everybody there is kind of
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: in the same boat and suffering, maybe not wanting to
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: be there. Let me send reiki to everybody there, you know,
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: for everyone's highest good. I'm showering in light and I'm
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: walking into that space. because nobody I've said it before
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: no one's managing that energy yeah but we're doing it
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: from a different perspective that you know I can I
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: can I they don't need to do anything they don't
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: need to apologize they don't need to be lectured to
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: be different I it's my work yes because I create
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: my reality yes um and yeah and definitely Seiki feels
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: like that as well for me it's talking about but
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: our feelings and our mind creating what we see out there.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Let me tell you, Sehekia is my favorite just because
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: of the story with Senju Kunan.
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: I have a little thing behind me.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: But another thing of what you're saying, it's reminding me too,
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: I think it's important for all of us to consider.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversations now, like we said. Thankfully,
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: there are more conversations happening in the community now And
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: the conversations are evolving from what I was first hearing
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: about Reiki. But one thing that still happens that honestly,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I think is kind of sad. There's a lot of
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: righting and wronging people based on what someone may.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: Believe or what their teacher said.
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: And one of the things I always emphasize to people
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: is don't be limited by another human's perspective. That's why
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: your practice is important, because then you'll have your own
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: experience and then see what is really true, so to speak,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: for you. So I think it's important that people recognize
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: if you hear someone talking about Reiki or any practice
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: for that matter, and it's different than what you believe,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that what they're saying isn't true. It's
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: just perhaps you haven't experienced that part yet. And maybe
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: you never will. But the energy also, I really believe,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: meets us where we are individually, as it should. And
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: it helps us individually work through whatever is in, you know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: the highest and best or priority or what our willingness
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: will allow. Some people aren't willing to allow themselves to
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: trust and develop some of the things that are presented
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: and offered to them by.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: Reiki, so to speak. Whereas other people....
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: Will just be open and receptive to seeing what it
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: is that is revealed to them so I think it's
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: very important to know that we're all learning and that's
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: why these conversations are so important but you said another
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: thing that I think is important too so anyone who's
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: taken my pulse of reiki class which is one of
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: those ongoing things which we're going to get to now
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: I teach in that there's a a module in that
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: where I talk about.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Attunements and I.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Can't think of the other thing right now. We'll raise
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: you and the meaning of that word and what a
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: spiritual blessing, you know, kind of breaking that down, but
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: also looking at quite literally what it means to attune.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: And so when.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: I share this with other practitioners, I like for people
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: to consider that even beyond the Reiki attunement, just by
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: nature of our design, we attune to frequencies all the time.
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: Just like you could be fine and then someone around
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: you is mad, then you attune to that. You are sad,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: you're around someone happy and then maybe you attune to that.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And so again, we can be attuned to the awareness
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: of Reiki and higher intelligence. But again, our development of
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: that is on us. It is on us to continue
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: to practice and do the work. And just like you say,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: the more we sit and direct our awareness to that presence,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: the stronger we are acclimating to and attuning ourselves to
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: those frequencies. So yeah, I just, I feel like I
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: can't emphasize enough and I hope people are encouraged through
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: our conversation.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: To really consider.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: How beautiful practice is So I want to ask you
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: about the ongoing support part because, again, a lot of
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: people think, oh, I took a class and now I'm done.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: You and I both still study with teachers. You and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I both still practice. I mean, you can teach and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: be a student. I think you should always be a student.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: But could you tell me what inspired you? to offer
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: ongoing support to people aside from just traditional Reiki classes
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: you have other ways of supporting people beyond the class
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: so what inspired that and what do you offer.
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah I think it was important to be there for
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: my students because we know when they're attuned, it can
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: cause all sorts of things to kind of disrupt their lives,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: whether it's emotionally, energetically, or things, situations happening in their lives.
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: And so obviously we're going to get those emails. And
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I think as Reiki masters, it isn't like someone just
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: going to the hairdresser or learning to do massage or learning.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Do you know what I mean? This is something, as
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: you said, that can really change and shift people's lives
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: in a way that nobody can predict. depending on their
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: intention and their journey and what's written for them, nobody
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: can really predict whether they're going to have a good
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: time afterwards and it'd be fine. They'd be in bliss
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: or they're going to have a rocky time and it'd
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: be up and down because they've set really powerful intention to,
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I no longer want to be like this anymore. I
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: want life to be better. And the shedding starts. So
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: it was nice to have things available for my students
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: for that. So having regular Reiki shares, whereas, you know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: we meet in person or online once a month, and
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: practice Reiki on each other. So they get to fine
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: tune what they've learned, but they also get to talk
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: to other people because it can be quite isolating. You know,
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: when you're the only one in your circle that is
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: going through this journey or is going through any kind
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: of spiritual journey, it can be quite isolating. You've got
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: no one else to kind of bounce ideas off to
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: tell you or to tell you that this is actually okay.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: This is normal. So that was nice providing a bit
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: of a community that way through the Reiki shares initially.
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: We have a Facebook group as well and I drop
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: things in there. And I also provide Reiki workshops or
• 31:39
  Speaker 3: events which are, they're kind of geared towards a professional
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: program I run which allows people to work with the NHS.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: We've spoken about it before. But that also deepens their Reiki.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: So one is focused on Eastern practices. Another one is
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: a one-day meditation retreat where we're journeying through the Reiki
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: principles and I'm just really keen for people to be
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: able to know what to do rather than just telling them, oh,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: this helps you for this, this, this. I'm keen on
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: giving them real examples and real practice so they can
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: reach for these things when they need to. So we
• 32:13
  Speaker 3: go through things we can do when we're angry, things
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: we can do when we're anxious. We go through gratitude
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: practices and things like that. So we journey through all
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: those things that allow them to bring Reiki into their
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: day-to-day life. So that's something I love. But Increasingly, I
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: found that, like you say, once someone's learned Reiki 1,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Reiki 2, or even the Reiki master, my understanding of
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Reiki was also evolving and they weren't getting to see that.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: The newer students were. Every time I teach, it's changing
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: in a way. And if someone learned from me eight
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: years ago what I'm teaching then, is going to be
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: different to how I teach now. The fundamentals are always there,
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: but there's differences there. And so setting up the Reiki
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: teachings and self-practice group, which is allowing us to meet
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: once a month, we meet on the first Tuesday of
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: the month on Zoom, but it starts with some teaching,
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: but the focus is self-practice and the many different styles
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: of self-practice and the many different ways I've started using
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: my self-practice. Not just the traditional Eastern meditations like Sule Ho,
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: Jashin Kokyu Ho, but other ways I'm finding that I
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: can work with Reiki to help me, you know, to
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: help me move through emotion, self-regulate, see a different side
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: to something or connect more strongly, you know, to that
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: higher power. um even with distance reiki you know um
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: with my group i've shown them how to give distance
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: reiki to themselves which is phenomenal to do um so
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: just playing with it in that way but i'm hoping
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: underneath it all that they're understanding the importance of their
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: daily practice not just waiting to meet me once a
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: month which i'm sure some are doing so i'd rather
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: them do that than nothing at all but it just
• 34:04
  Speaker 3: felt important to still be there for them be visible
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: um have a place to share new insights as they
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: come to me and practice those things and also have
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: a space where they can ask questions um they can
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: maybe go deeper into certain things so that felt really
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: important to do so they're coming along with me on
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: my journey now which feels wonderful yes so yeah why.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Do you say that because completely the same like So
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: I have to say when I first started practicing, I
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: practiced with or I learned from someone who was very nontraditional.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: They really focused heavily on shamanism, which, you know, I
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: appreciated and I didn't know anything different.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't know. I didn't know.
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: But I learned a lot from them. But after that,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: I actually studied with William Rand. And this is before
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: he came out with Holy Fire. So, you know, this
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: was back when he was doing, I think, the master
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: level was called like Yasui Tibetan Reiki.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: And then there was Karuna Reiki.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: So my first Reiki classes I taught were based on
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: the ICRT. And it was, yeah, it was those books.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: And again, that was before Holy Fire. It was before
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: all of that. Um, I just say that to say,
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: because a lot of people only know him for that now,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: but there was a time where he didn't, that wasn't.
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: What was happening. Yeah.
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: And then moving forward, you know, obviously through my own practice,
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: things that shifted and changed. Um, and I have to
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: say one of the things I appreciated having him as
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: a teacher is there was, um, Even though he had
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: a very clear system of how to practice, just by
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: nature of his personality and what he had built, there
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: was an implication of kind of like freedom in your practice,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: trusting yourself. So I think that was a good piece
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: for me because then moving forward, I studied with teachers
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: who were like a little more traditional, such as Franz
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: and Arjava. And, um, I learned a lot from all
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: of them, but the point is later I stepped away
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: from ICRT and I started teaching from a more traditional lens.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: So the same, the students I had before, yeah, if
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: they took my Reiki class today, they'd be like, what?
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: She's saying all kinds of different stuff.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: To your point too, it's funny. Um, When I first
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: started teaching, that was it. And I only taught in
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: person back then. And I still only teach Reiki in person.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: I've never taught in certified Reiki online. However, when I
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: first started the podcast, I will never forget. There's this
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: listener who I became very good friends with.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: Her name is Michelle.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: And she reached out to me. She emailed me and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: asked me if I could teach an online class on
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: how to read Oracle cards. And I had never taught
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: anything online. And so I was like, yeah, well, yeah.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: And so that was the first online class that I taught.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: But then as I started evolving through my practice and
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: I recognized the questions I had and I was very,
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: you know, reflective of what I doubted and what helped
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: me gain more confidence. And and even like you say,
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: what I started to learn from other teachers about Reiki
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: that perhaps I hadn't learned before was. as like this
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: needs to be available to practitioners. I think it's invaluable.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: So that's why I started creating online classes that were
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: kind of like refreshers. So they could, they were automatically
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: available to my students. You know, you have free access
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: to these classes. There are guided practices. There are, and
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: plus they have access to me. They could, you know,
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: call me anytime. But yeah, I also wanted to do
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: it in a prerecorded way so that even people who
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: didn't train with me, but they already had their certification,
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: they could take those classes and perhaps get access to
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: information that they also didn't receive. And it's nothing wrong
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: with that. I mean, we all, we don't know what
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: we don't know. So I just thought it was important. Also,
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I think these conversations on the podcast are, I is
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: that it gives a lot of people kind of like
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: the direction to say, oh, there's more to learn. There's
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: more to explore.
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: There's more possibility.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: So I think the ongoing support is invaluable. But in
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: terms of live practice, so I started doing monthly activation circles,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: I call it. And it's essentially like a Reiki share,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: but we have conversations and then we do guided practices.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: So people can come.
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: To that for free. On my app.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: And then the Alchemy Circle started during COVID.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: And that started out.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: So that started out as the world was erupting. And
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: so I said on the podcast, like, hey, you want
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: to join me to meet for Reiki every day, every month?
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Morning.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: We'll meet online for the whole month of May. And
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: I called it Reiki May. And so some people came,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: they joined me. And then when the month was over,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: they were like, wait, we got to keep going. And
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, well, I can't do this every day forever.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: So that's how the alchemy circle started. And now it's
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: just become, you know, twice a week we meet. But
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I think these things are important. You're also reminding me,
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: for anyone listening, if you remember, you can mark it
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: on your calendar.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: In December, I'm.
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: Planning to do 50 days of practice. Yeah, so it's
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: 50 days leading up to my 50th birthday.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: Oh, I love that. Yes.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: I made it this far. But, um, but again, just
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: like you, cause I know you are this way as well,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: like through all that you.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Share your online community.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: The podcast that you do, I mean, you create so
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: much content as well. And I say that to say,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: I know it matters a lot to you to also
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: give people access to what will support their path and
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: their journey. So, um, Yeah, that's one of the things
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: I love about you so much. But there was something
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: else that you said that made me think about sometimes
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: when people take the classes, like you go to Reiki,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: you know, one, two or three, all of them, whatever
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: you choose. I think some people don't consider continuing to
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: learn like formally, like don't continue their education because one,
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: they think or they assume that Well, I got all
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: the information I needed in this class. But then also,
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: I think for some people, there's an assumption that they
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: should know. And so some people feel very uncomfortable. Like
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: they feel like, oh, everyone else in the class got it,
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: but I didn't. I still have questions.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: You know, they're kind of like an embarrassment. It's like, no,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: you can't imagine how many people. We don't even know
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: what to ask until we start practicing and the class
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: is over. So don't feel embarrassed if you're questioning anything.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: That's normal.
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 41:50
  Speaker 3: I guess you're right. Some people, particularly with the word
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: Reiki master, they feel they should be a master now
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: and shouldn't need to ask any questions. And the next
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: thing is for them to then teach. But as you said,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: we're forever the student and we're dealing with something which
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: is constantly evolving. And so therefore there's always going to
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: be something new to learn and to get curious about
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: it as well, to visit different teachers and different courses.
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: And some you might resonate with, some you might not,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: but you'll always learn something from those things. And I
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: think that's why I've stayed in Reiki for so long.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: It's always changing. And I love teaching because they'll always
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: surprise me with something that I hadn't, a question I
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: hadn't been asked before or something I hadn't seen before.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: And so, yeah, that's what I like about it. I
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: think that's why I liked IT. I was in IT
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: for 20 years. I was in IT too.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in IT before I was in finance.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: And it's funny because I was literally just thinking about
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: this driving.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: The other day.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: I was like, I went through all of that just
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: because I did network engineering. But I really, all I
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: really wanted to know was how to build a computer.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: And then at the time, yes.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: When I.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: Was doing all of this, it was.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: Right on the brink of everything becoming automated. And so
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: even network engineering wasn't going to be something that was,
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Going to be automated. And I knew that.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: And I mean, this was, they were just at that
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: time talking about terabytes, like the potential of, Ooh, we're
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: going to be able to have this much work. And
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: I remember thinking like, Oh my God, if I stay
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: in this industry, I'm going to have to be in
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: school forever. Because it just was, you know, the technology
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: was evolving so quickly. And now with what I do, ironically,
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: it's like I'm in school, so to speak, forever.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Like it never ends.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: It's more exciting.
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: It is more exciting.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: It is more exciting.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: But you bring me to, I want to bring this
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: up because I see time with you always goes by
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: so quickly. We both, as I mentioned, got to be
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: part of the Reiki Raise Global Healing Summit.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: It was the 11th.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Actually, if people want to right now, they can. Let
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: me just explain this because it confuses some people. The
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: summit is available now and you can register for it
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: for free. And if you register for free, you get
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: access to five interviews right away. And then when the
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: summit officially starts, which is November 7th through 11th, then
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: they release like five to six videos online. once a
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: day in that time frame. And you'll have 24 hours
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: to watch the set of videos that come out that
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: particular day. But you only have 24 hours, you know,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: and that's like five videos.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: That's a lot.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: So if you purchase a ticket to the summit, then
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: you just have automatic access right away.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: And you can watch it.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: At your own pace or on time you have, you know,
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: so it just gives you more freedom to go at
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: your own pace. So just so people understand that. But
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: I just pulled it up on my computer. There are
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: so many interviews.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: It's amazing.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: I was saying to, I sent an email out to
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: the group and I was saying, it's like being a
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: kid in a sweet shop. It's like heaven for us.
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: If you love Reiki, you've got all these amazing teachers
• 45:17
  Speaker 3: talking about so many topics around Reiki that you can
• 45:20
  Speaker 3: really fill your boots and learn so much. Yes.
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: And I just want to give some of the teachers
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: who are presenting some of the conversations that were had
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: just to, you know, so people know we, and then
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: you and I can talk about a couple of We
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: had Justin Stein. I actually got to interview him on
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: the history of Reiki. There are updates around that. That
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: was very interesting. He is an avid researcher. We have
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: Nicholas Pearson, which a lot of people know of. My
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: one teacher, Frank Arjavapetter. My other teacher, Fran Steiner.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: You, Gwen.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: She is also there. Tina Zion. I mean, there are
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: just so many. Natalie Jasper, who does the other podcast. Yeah.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: And she was the co-host for the summit this year.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: Amanda James. She's always a lot of fun.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: But I mean, it's just endless.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: It is so many incredible conversations happened. And so just
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: like what we're talking about, everyone contributes something, whether you
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: fully agree with them or not.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: It still gives.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: You something to consider, something that might pique your interest,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: something that might cause you to question or something to
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: validate what you're experiencing, which is what happened to me
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: the first time I got to interview Franz. I had
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: never heard of him prior to interviewing him. And then
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: I had to read his book to prepare. And I
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, this guy is talking about
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Reiki in a way that I'm experiencing, but I haven't
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: heard anyone talk about. And that's how he became one
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: of my teachers. So I want to start with you.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: You did, gave.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: A discussion about how to use Reiki for anxiety relief.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: So I just wanted to ask you a little bit
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: about that. Why you felt that was important to share.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. obviously in these times but.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: Could you share a little bit about that yeah I
• 47:20
  Speaker 5: think because everyone experiences it at some point you know
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: some people chronically you know they have anxiety attacks panic
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: attacks and some people it might come up just when
• 47:29
  Speaker 5: they're about to do something out of their comfort zone
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: and then they push through it but.
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: Um I think it was it doesn't feel lovely in
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: the body right it feels awful in the body some
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: people feel like they can't breathe yes And in that state,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: we can actually do things that we regret as well
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: through that anxiety. And we stop ourselves from really living
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: our full potential as well because of this fear that
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: we create in our mind. And so having something we
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: can do, particularly using Seheki, the symbol of the mind
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: as well, It just, it's always been something that I
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: feel is important because I don't want anyone kind of
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: leaving this planet and not having achieved the things they
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: wanted to achieve because they had a fear or a
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: worry in their head. So being able to use the
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: horror breathing, look at the symbol, get a bit somatic,
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: hold on to the body and just kind of move
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: ourselves through that anxiety. That's such a victory. If we
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: can do it once, we can do it again and
• 48:31
  Speaker 3: we can do it again. doesn't mean we're going to
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: eradicate anxiety or fear because they come up for a reason,
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: but it's just being able to still move through it.
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: Susan Jeffers wrote a book, which is passed now, but
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: Fill the Fear, do it anyway. We want people to
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: get to that point as opposed to holding back, feeling stuck,
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: not doing anything for fear, whether it's starting a business
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: or traveling around the world or even becoming a Reiki
• 48:59
  Speaker 3: practitioner or whatever it might be. that anxiety can be debilitating.
• 49:05
  Speaker 3: And it's all caused by the mind, nine times out
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: of ten. So just being able to master the mind,
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: connect it to the heart more purely, more fully, and
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: give ourselves time to do that, compassion to do that,
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: to say, you know, it's okay to feel this way, self-soothe,
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: not make it wrong. All of those things are teachers
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: we can get from the principles, the Reiki principles, and
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: we can just in real time manage to move ourselves
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: out of that dysregulated state. in sometimes minutes, as opposed
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: to holding onto it and having it all day and
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: having it spiral. So yeah, the human existence is filled
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: with suffering. We know that, and the Buddhists talk about
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: that all the time. But what Mikhail Yusuf identified was
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: anger and worry cause the most problems in our body,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: in society, in life. And so if we can have
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: something that it's not, as I said, not to eradicate it,
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: not to make it wrong, but look at it differently.
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: That's the, that really is the victory to have compassion
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: for those things and get the message because every emotional
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: experience has information for us, has a message for us.
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: And on the other side of that is our growth
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: is our expansion. Um, I said, it doesn't mean it's
• 50:21
  Speaker 3: not going to come up again because there can be
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: different scenarios, different things, but we just want to stay
• 50:26
  Speaker 3: there as long, you know, as we would have done
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: in the past.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: So, It's so funny looking at your title. It didn't
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: even strike me until you started talking about it, but
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I'm like, that's exactly what brought me to Reiki. I mean,
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: quite literally I was, yeah, I was having, um, really
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: bad anxiety, which I had never had before. And I
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: went to an astrologer and because of the anxiety piece,
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: she told me, oh, you should go get a Reiki session.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: I was like, what is that? Yeah.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, but I think that, um, one, I love
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: that you bring up something that I think so many
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: people struggle with, suffer with, but again, this summit, that's,
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: what's so cool about it because these conversations are, I mean,
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: Reiki research and healthcare, psychic Reiki.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: There's just so many.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Um, I wanted to ask you about, cause I know
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: you listen to, and there is a lot of interest
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: around this. Justin Stein, he talked about the Reiki history updates. Um, God,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: they're just so, I'm just looking at the list of conversations.
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: There are just so many incredible conversations.
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: Justin is incredible to listen to. He's really charismatic and
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: very animated. You think, okay, research history, he's going to
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: be very red.
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh no, he is.
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: And he's not at all.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Not at all.
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: I find him fascinating to listen to.
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: And so this is one of the things, you know,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: is interesting to me as well. And I think it's
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: important for everyone to know.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: There are so many researchers and we'll say like historians
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: of Reiki who are continually doing research to understand more
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: about the founder, Yasui himself, but then also what it
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: was that he experienced that may have influenced what he
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: brought into the system that we practice. And so I
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: remember when I first learned Reiki, The story about him was,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess basic in contrast to what
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: has been found out about him since then. And I
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: also want to mention Amanda Jane and Zilke. They wrote
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: a book some years ago called Women in Reiki. And
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: it focused a lot on the women in Reiki. But
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: there was also, I want to say... It may have
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: been Justin Stein's book. I want to say it's called Currents.
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: Reiki Currents. Oh, that's terrible.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: I'll put it in the show.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Description because I can't remember.
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he had a piece in there that gave
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: so much background around Mrs. Takata that you don't typically
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: hear about in the just, you know, history as it's
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: been told. So I say that to say there's so
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: much more being discovered and.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: It is quite fascinating.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: What did you think about that conversation?
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Do you remember?
• 53:30
  Speaker 3: No. Yeah. It was so interesting when he was able
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: to track certain things back to certain eras and times
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: with a lot of surmising around. I mean, I love
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: what he's discovered around the CV for sure. It was
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: in Taiwan. which is in the Kairi Sui CV at
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: age 38. And that was like, oh, my God, it
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: blew my mind and shared it with everybody. I think
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: other people were like, OK, you know, I like history.
• 53:57
  Speaker 3: I think it's interesting. But, yeah, just to see that
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: he was he was a he worked at a Christian
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: missionary in the States and in Japan, from what I understand,
• 54:10
  Speaker 3: which I know is the thing that caused a lot
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: of controversy there. But just to see as well, we
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: already have quite a bit on his memorial star and
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: about what a learned man he was. And he seems
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: to me like a seeker, like we, a lot of
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: us are, we're trying different modalities and religions because we're
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: seeking answers to questions. So we have that same curiosity
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: and that same desire to find, you know, Satori enlightenment
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: in some way. But this very secular path, you know,
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: which is reassuring in a way, you know, he was married,
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: had two kids and, traveled and studied in many different places.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: So it was fascinating to hear a lot of it.
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: And I think while I listened to Nicholas Pearson as well,
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: I think I shared with you too, which was really
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: interesting because he looked at the origins of Hatsureho and
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: where it may have come from, even talking about the
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: new age sport movement in America, maybe contributing to some
• 55:05
  Speaker 3: of what Makayusu was talking about in terms of the
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: law of attraction and things like that, which surprised me.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: I must say, because Buddhism has always fought those things anyway, actually. Um,
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: but yeah, I just, it just, I just had this
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: little epiphany that, okay, we can track back where maybe, uh,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: certain meditations came from and where the symbols came from,
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: but where we don't really know. And there's possibly a
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: big piece missing, which is that some of it may
• 55:36
  Speaker 3: have been downloads, insights, intuition. you know, which is how
• 55:41
  Speaker 3: a lot of it happens for us as well. You know,
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: if I think about bringing in the light, that just
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: came to me. I wasn't taught that. It was just like, no,
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: bring this light in and have it go down into
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: the earth. And then I remember listening to one of
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: your podcasts from, you know, the 1900s, from 2013, I
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: think it was. And you were talking about this thing,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: bringing the light and bring it down into the earth.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh my God. So it's almost like
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: there's this energy field of knowledge that knows how to
• 56:10
  Speaker 3: get the best out of this that most people were
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: finding were drawing from. And to understand that there are
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: teachers in shamanism that teach this and the psychic world
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: teaches this. You said you went to psychic school. I
• 56:25
  Speaker 3: went to psychic school. They teach that, bring in the light.
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: And so it was interesting that that piece wasn't considered,
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: you know, that yes, he's probably learned and gathered information
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: from what he learned from Buddhism, maybe Christianity, Taoism, psychology.
• 56:42
  Speaker 3: He studied so many different things, very rich background there.
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: But how he first discovered Reiki was a whole psychic experience.
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 56:52
  Speaker 3: This light, this flash of light coming to his head,
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: his forehead. And we see that sometimes in Reiki.
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: So I think that it's just that space for that too.
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: That we may not be able to track everything back
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: to exact origin because some of it could have been
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: intuitively given, you know, downloaded.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Or even his own expansion of consciousness around what he
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: may have found that was more traditional. And I think
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: we all, again, have, like you and I have been sharing,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: like we were given information. the foundations of Reiki, but
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: through our practice, we have received our own insights and experiences.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: And that's one of the things I also find this
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: work that the researchers are doing. I find it fascinating.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: I think it's endlessly interesting. But I also think it's
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: important not to get too attached to Because a lot of, again,
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: there's often some upset in the community around people wanting
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: to fight around what's right, what's wrong, what's true, what's not.
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: And again, I think that kind of goes against the
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: whole system in and of itself. But also, I really
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: do think like, yeah, all of this is, I mean,
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: incredibly interesting to me, truly. But I don't attach to
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: it or get so, I kind of just see it
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: as like, oh, that's interesting information.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: But I.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: also believe if Yasui were still living today, or if
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: he were living in these times, who knows how him
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: and his practice would have evolved and how that may
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: have influenced what he shared or what he practiced. And,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: you know, again, like how, what, to your point, if
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: he had any type of downloads or insights that aren't
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: known to us, that may be in some hidden journal somewhere, That.
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: May also give us another texture.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: Please come forward.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, give us the journal.
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: Keep listening.
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: Come forward. But it may provide more texture to the history, right?
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: So I love it, but I just want to tell people, like,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: you know, if you, again, if you hear different things
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: or things bother you, take a breath and remember the Gokai.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Do not be angry.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Just, you know, it's... it's, but it is, it all
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: has been so fascinating. But something you said too, I
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: want to point out really quickly. I know our time
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: is almost up. The psychic work. It's interesting because once
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: I went to that, there was so much emphasis on
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: keeping our energy channels clear. So even though it wasn't,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: you know, Reiki per se, but there was still that
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: element of importance of making sure your energy body, your
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: energy channels were very clear. And we essentially are working
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: our energetic self and keeping our energy. helping to move
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: and clarify and purify our energy channels, our mind, all
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: kinds of things. So, yeah, there's definitely a correlation between
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the two. I don't think you can really separate the two.
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: No, no. And we can learn so much from other
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: energy modalities like traditional Chinese medicine. I love studying that
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 3: and looking at that in terms of the meridian lines
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: and how they speak to what we might be sensing
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 3: or feeling. Right. even pranic healing. They do a similar
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: thing with the light. So there's so many, Ayurvedic medicine
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  Speaker 3: as well, you know, so it's given us the chakras.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: So there's so many things we can pull in that
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: inform Reiki because Reiki is a word, we know what
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: it means, spiritual life force energy, but we just equate
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: that word to, like I used to recreate in a system.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: And it's like me saying, oh yeah, I practice spiritualism.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: or I practice air. Do you see what I mean?
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: It's the word that encompasses all of it. And so
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: I think when we embrace that too, embrace the differences,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: the different ideas, the different perspectives, and as you said,
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: we're all seeing it for our own experience. So it's
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 3: going to be different. But even the fact I understood
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  Speaker 3: that Mikai Usui, I don't know if I got this
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: from Fran Stein, but understood that when Mikai Usui first
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  Speaker 3: did attunements, He would just sit in front of the
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 3: students and his energy was so high and so powerful
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: with such a high frequency that the student would become attuned.
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  Speaker 3: But over time, humans being humans, we want more, we
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: want more ritual, we want something around it to prove
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: that we actually have done something. He started introducing certain
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: things in that way. And so he evolved then. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure, as you said, if he was alive today,
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  Speaker 3: it would be different again. There'd be different things that
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: he'd be introducing and embracing and evolving.
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  Speaker 1: Well, to your point, too, I think that goes back
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: to what, you know, we were talking about earlier, the
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: cultivation of energy and the importance of our practice. Because
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: he didn't just come out of the womb able to
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: project and emanate that high of a level of frequency.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: It was through practice and certain techniques that help us
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: all have the availability to do that. But yeah, and
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: so again, I think sometimes in the stories around Yasui
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: and even looking at the different elements within the system,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: when the history of those are provided, plus with our practice,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: we get to discover the subtleties that aren't necessarily said directly.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: So there's a lot within the system that, yeah, we
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: can read in a book and someone can tell us,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: but it only gives us a very like base level
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: of meaning. And then it is the practice and sometimes
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: understanding the origin that then cracks open this whole other
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: level of understanding around what it is. Just like I
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 1: was saying with Seheki and then Arjava was the first
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: person I heard tell the story about the seed syllable
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Hri and Senju.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: Kanan and that whole story.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: And I was just like, what? That like turned the whole,
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: the symbol in of itself.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: It gave it a different texture for me.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: And, you know, it made me, anyway, I think it
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: just goes with what we've been saying all along that
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: the study and practice of are meant to be ongoing.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: Just as a side note, before we go, I was like,
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: what did I talk about in the summit this year?
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: I did Reiki as a practice of energetic alchemy.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 2: Cause clearly.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: That would be what I wanted to talk about. But again,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: just for everyone listening, if you enjoyed this conversation with
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Gwen and I, Hopefully you'll hear more of us together
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: in the future. We always have a good time. But
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Gwen has an incredible YouTube channel. I actually just recently
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: on my site, took the interview of you interviewing me
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: and put it on my I think it's on my
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: about me page and some other page I was like
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: god I love having conversations with Gwen um but Gwen
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: also has a podcast that is incredible so could you
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: tell us about where people can find you what you
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: have going on anything coming up for the remainder of
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: this year Okay.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So they can find me at myspiritualbutterfly.com, the website.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: The YouTube channel is also My Spiritual Butterfly. And that's amazing.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: Every week I put out a video there and it's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: about Reiki or spirituality, us in some way. So it's really,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: I'm really enjoying doing that. And I'm also on Instagram,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: My Spiritual Butterfly. In terms of what's coming up for me,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: what's coming up we've just done all the retreats now
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: so yeah we have uh creating a successful if you're
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: based in london or the uk creating a successful reiki
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: business i run that because business isn't just the the
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: the kind of brick and mortar practical things that we
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 3: have to do business is also an energy and so
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 3: it's nice to present it present both sides of that
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: and give people practices around that to help them alleviate
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: any fears they have around business imposter syndrome, being seen,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 3: all of those things, as well as doing some work,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: which allows you to step into the identity of a
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: business owner. So that's really fun. That's a nice fun
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: day that we do there. And obviously I teach all
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: levels of Reiki, Reiki one to master level in the UK.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: So they're welcome to see that on the website as well.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: And of course the Reiki teachings and self-practice group is
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: a lovely group to join. If you're already attuned to Reiki,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: then that's quite nice to kind of join that and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: start to build on your knowledge of Reiki, but your
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: self-practice more importantly.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 3: So, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm obviously going to put all these links down
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: in the show description so you all can connect with
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Gwen quite easily. For some reason, I feel like there
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: was another link we were going to put, but I'll
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: also put in the show description the link to the
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Reiki Raise Global Healing Summit. Because again, you just have,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: an incredible amount of information to support your practice and
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: your understanding of the system from a bunch of different
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: lenses and views that I think is important. I think
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: on my end, what is coming up, the activation circles
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: on the app, like I said, you can download the
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: app to access those. And Alchemy Circle will be starting soon.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: the new round cause it's a year long program. Um, but, uh,
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: that will start in December. So I'll put the link
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: for that.
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: And I think that's it. I don't know. Anything else
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: coming up? I don't know.
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 3: Maybe you think of anything else.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: Send me the link. Yes.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: But I have to thank you again, my love for
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: saying yes to me. Just say, Hey, will you come
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: talk with me about Reiki? Really?
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: That was the extent of my request.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: No, I didn't know you were going to record it,
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 3: but I'm loving that you're putting it out there. But yeah,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: I apologize for my lighting. I literally thought we were
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: just going to have a little chat.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 6: Oh my God, you thought this was going to be private?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just a private chat. I don't know
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 3: why I thought that. But it's absolutely fine.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: It's fine.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: Any opportunity to share what's coming up for me about Reiki,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: talk about Reiki, I'm there. So I love it. I
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: just wanted to apologize for my life. Hilarious.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: No, you look gorgeous as always.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: No, you look beautiful as always.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: I guess that's good that you're always prepared visually. Well,
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: thank you, my love. And for all of you, thank
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: you for joining us. We'll see you soon.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: Thank you, everybody. Bye.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Okay, beautiful, optimistic. And I just want to thank you
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: all so much for being here.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: On Reiki Radio.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Reiki Radio has been here since 2013. So I'm always
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: just beyond grateful, quite frankly, for those of you who
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: have been listening since then.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: And amazed and very, very.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: Thankful for those of you who are still new and
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: just finding the podcast. So welcome and thank you again
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: to all of you for being here and for sharing
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: Reiki Radio with your own communities. Thank you so much
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: to Gwen for having such an open, honest conversation about Reiki.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: These are the types of conversations I love to have.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: And so I look forward to having more of them
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: with some other friends here in the Reiki community. And
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: I hope that you all enjoy that as well. Don't forget,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: if you want to connect with Gwen and her work,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: the links are down in the show description. If you
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: want to connect with me and my work or join
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: me in the Alchemy Circle, the links are down in
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: the show description. And finally, do not forget, if you
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: want to hear a variety of conversations about within the
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: realm of Reiki, be sure to click on the link
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: below and get your all access right now for the
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: Reiki Raise Global Healing Summit. Thank you so much. Remember
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: to always journey in love.