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#322: Watchers (1988) – Tubi or Not to Be · What's Your (Least) Favorite Scary Movie?

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  Hello, what's your least favorite scary movie?
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  Welcome to the Least Scary Movie, The podcaster.
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  We talk about the good, the bad, the ugly and the absurd, and all
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  of our favorite and least favorite scary movies.
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  Because we believe every horror movie rightfully has this fan
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  base. Even if we don't always get it.
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  My name is Travis. My name is Jesse and welcome
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  back to our monthly bonus series.
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  We are alive, uncut, and mostly undrawn.
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  That's right, we are going into the free streaming series to
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  find out what movies we might have missed out on.
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  This is to be or not to be. So that means that we're
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  skipping all of the normal stuff at the beginning of the episode
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  and we're getting straight in. It was my turn to pick this
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  week, this month. We only do this once a month,
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  but we also did it this week so. You're you're right in both of
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  those. So I chose Watchers.
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  Yeah. And I chose Watchers because I
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  absolutely adore the book and we were talking about it a couple
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  weekends ago because we saw a primate and the way I describe
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  primate was Cujo but with monkeys meets a little bit of
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  watchers. Yeah, I can definitely see it.
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  And I did not know they made a movie of the book.
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  And I guess in my head I just assumed that if there had been a
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  movie about like made from inspired by Watchers, I would
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  have known, but I never actually looked it up.
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  It's just called Watchers. And it's just called Watchers.
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  Yeah, it's on TV. So did you go searching for this
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  on Toby or did it just pop up it?
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  Just popped up. I was, I was looking around to
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  see if there was anything new that I might be interested in or
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  if I needed to go to our saved movies.
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  And then that popped up and I was like.
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  Well, it's a new movie. It just got added itself.
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  Yeah. Yeah.
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  So we'll go ahead and we'll talk about it.
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  I've got a little bit of background information and then
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  I'll share. Well, Are you sure why I picked
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  it? Oh, I should clarify, it's not a
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  new movie and it's from the 80s. Yeah, it's new on to be.
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  Yeah. And yeah, Jesse actually picked
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  that 80s movie for To Be on To Be.
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  I can't believe it. You're so excited.
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  I was proud of you. You know how 80s it was?
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  You all don't say that. OK, that was weird.
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  Yeah, sorry. Proud husband moment.
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  I'm uncomfortable, all right? This is a live episode, so we
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  can't have those awkward moments going girl like that.
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  We got to go. OK, what?
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  Were you saying? What were you about to say?
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  I'm going to go over the some of the information about this movie
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  and then I'll talk a little bit about why I love the book so
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  much. So that way you can understand
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  why I'm kind of disappointed in some of the things about the
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  movie, but I understand some of the changes they made too.
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  Yeah, I can understand that, having watched Christine after
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  reading Christine for the first time.
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  You get it. Yeah, no, I get it.
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  I was, you know, good movie like John Carpenter.
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  Yeah, like it's awesome. But at the same time, why are
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  the changes from the book? I wanted to see Christine
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  demolish a house. Yeah, kill a man.
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  I know, me too, we were denied. I wanted to see the pink garbage
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  truck. There's one more thing for me to
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  fight John Carpenter about. Man, Travis is like, because it
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  seems that Scarfest is doing a Christine reunion and he's
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  holding his breath. And John Carpenter might be
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  here. He's local.
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  They got Christine the car and they got the bully buddy in like
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  on the lineup so far. So I'm I'm open.
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  So if we have John Carpenter the VIP party, I'm going to buy him
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  a whiskey and say please fight my husband.
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  He needs to be. He needs to learn a thing or.
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  Two no, we got to make it a whole thing.
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  It's going to be one of the celebrity boxing matches.
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  So like, he's the celebrity and I'm just like, who the fuck is
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  that guy? Yeah.
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  Why is this guy, this 30 year old fighting John Carpenter who
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  is like almost 90 probably he's in the 70s Never mind.
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  We literally talked about this the other day because you're
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  like, he's old and I was like. He's you're right, okay.
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  OK, anyway, watchers released December 2nd, 1988.
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  We watched it on Tubi. You can also watch it on Primer
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  Plex, and you can rent it from Fandango at home.
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  Written by Bill Freed and Damian Lee.
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  Based on the novel by Dean koontz, Directed by John Hess,
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  music by Joel Goldsmith and special effects makeup by Lisa
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  Rocco. Starring Michael Ironside as
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  Agent Lem, Lala Slopeman as Tracy, Corey Haim as Travis,
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  Blue Mikuma as Cliff, Barbara Williams as Philip Wong as the
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  Oxcom, and Sandy the dog is Fur Face.
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  Cool yay we thought Lala was the dog because when in the opening
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  credits it just says a Lala like that's that's how you normally
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  is she. Was in a one name era of her
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  career. OK, well, that's just that's how
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  you normally credit dogs or animals and movies.
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  Yeah, we were like, is Lala the dog?
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  Because we hear the dog deserves credit at the beginning of the
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  movie is apparently they disagreed.
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  That's also a dog name. Lala, Yeah.
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  Yeah, and a Teletubby. Oh my God.
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  Yeah. Is that the yellow one?
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  Yeah. I don't know.
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  Whatever. I.
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  Think Lala's the purple one, maybe No Tinky Winky's the
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  purple one. Tinky Winky.
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  Tipsy's the green one. PO is the red.
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  Yeah. So I guess Lala would be yellow.
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  Yeah. OK, cool.
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  I'm glad we all know that. I know it's time for our
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  favorite game on the show. Budget or bug, Ted?
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  Yeah, this is a bug, Ted. Yeah, I'd actually don't have
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  budget information on it. No, it did make $260,000 on its
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  opening weekend and a worldwide gross of 940,000.
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  So we are sub million gross. Well, this one probably made its
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  money back with the home video. It it seems to be decently well
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  received. 5.4 out of 10. That's solid.
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  Yeah. And I, it pulled my 2 reviews.
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  Just a spoiler for the end of this.
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  One of them is by somebody who read the book and loved it.
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  And one of them is by somebody who didn't read the book and
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  understands that's probably why they loved the movie.
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  Oh, interesting. So I thought those would be good
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  perspective. Yeah, that, that.
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  That's. Some fun.
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  OK, I pulled a theme from 1988 and you know what was happening
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  in 1988? What We really just kept doing
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  things to make things harder for ourselves.
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  OK, that sounds about right. Yeah.
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  So since this is about, like, super soldier animals, you know,
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  And then we played God, and then they got out and wreaked havoc.
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  So, like, let's look at some other movies where people made
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  mistakes that they thought would help them out, but it actually
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  made their life harder. And we're going to start with
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  none other than Charles Lee Ray in Child's Play.
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  Oh man. Cuz he put himself into that
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  doll's body and then how many sequels and ATV show of him
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  trying to, you know, worse that. But he eventually came out on
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  the other end. He's like, you know what?
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  I'm a doll. Yeah, maybe he was a doll
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  always. And then he finally like that
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  was his journey to find his way to being a doll.
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  The real dolls are the friends we found along the way.
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  That's what that series is all about.
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  Really it is OK So Child's Play. Released November 9th, 1988.
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  Budget of 9 million. Worldwide gross of 44 million.
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  IMDb scores 6.7 out of 10. Love that movie.
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  Well, you love all three of these movies.
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  But oh great. Cool, what's the next 1 then?
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  Hellbound Hellraiser too, yeah. Love that movie.
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  That released December 23rd, 1988.
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  A budget of 3,000,000 GBP and I got a worldwide gross of $12
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  million made over IMDb it. Was made over in England and
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  then released in the States. Either way, it has a 6.4 out of
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  10. 6.4 Hell yeah Yeah, that's a great movie.
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  I love it. And a third movie, oh, by the
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  way, held down the reason that was like making things harder
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  than for themselves. That doctor, you know, was
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  trying to collect the the configurations.
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  He wanted to call it forth. And then he was like, oh shit,
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  this is actually really bad. Well, he's like, hey, like,
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  let's get this patient that she's really good with puzzles,
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  even though this puzzle solves itself for everybody.
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  Yeah. Yeah, and the third movie,
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  Pumpkinhead, in his grief, he called for Pumpkinhead, but, you
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  know, it just actually caused a lot of problems.
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  Yeah, it turned him into a demon.
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  Yep, so that Released October 14th, 1988.
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  Budget of 3.5 million worldwide gross of 4.3 million.
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  INDB score 6.2 out of 10. Nice.
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  I like these. These are all really fun movies,
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  Yes. Yeah. 88 was a good year for
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  movies, man. It was and we we own all of
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  these movies. Yeah, we do, don't we?
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  Yeah, awesome. We've got don't we have Child's
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  Play signed? We have Child's Play and Frank
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  and Play signed, don't we? Did we do the first one?
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  We might have done Child's play. Too true.
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  I can't remember because we had Kyle there also.
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  OK, well, before we go on to our thoughts, because we don't do
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  fun facts, Yeah, I do have two tag lines.
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  OK, first one, it started as an experiment.
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  It ended as a new breed of terror.
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  That's good. I like that that.
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  Was actually really solid. Secret experiment.
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  Unstoppable monster. Deadly mistake.
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  I like that too. Yeah.
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  They're those are two really solid tag lines, Yeah.
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  So have you, you already kind of have explained why you picked
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  it, right? Yes.
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  OK, yes, just because I love the book and I didn't know there was
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  a movie. Right.
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  OK, that's what that. That's why I picked it.
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  I do want to go ahead before we go into our good, bad, ugly and
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  absurd, and I want to tell you some of the main things that are
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  different and why I think they might be different.
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  OK so in the book Travis is a full adult and he's kind of a
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  loner and Nora is a woman he needs and becomes his love
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  interest. So Nora is his mom in this?
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  Yes. Whoa, it's a weird change.
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  OK, I agree that's weird. I think part of the reason that
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  they aged him down was 1 so that way they could get someone like
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  Corey Haim for the star power. But I also think it's because as
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  emotionally intelligent as the character is for a teenager in
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  this movie, he does interact with the dog in a different way
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  than Travis the adult in the book does.
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  How so? Because Travis in the book like
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  has he's got more independence, he's got more resources.
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  He was actually the one that was in the Delta Force, not his dad.
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  So he's a, he's an ex soldier veteran and he does things like
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  he sets up this whole system where the dog who he calls
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  Einstein, yeah, can spell things out with Scrabble tiles.
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  So I like that. We got a nice little nod to that
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  with them playing Scrabble with each.
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  Other so that was like a more like it was more present in the
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  book. It was.
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  It happened more often. We see a lot more things like
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  that and I think they had to kind of age it down so that way
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  it's more on a high school level.
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  So that way, as well trained as Sandy the dog, dog is, they
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  would have had a much harder time showing Einstein doing all
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  of the things that he does in the book.
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  Yeah, they did a great job with what they had here because the
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  dog does a really great job. So I I that would be my
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  assumption as to like the two main reasons they aged it down.
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  I also, the dog does live in the book.
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  I already told you that last night.
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  I was like, I want to pick this. It was a dead dog movie.
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  Yeah, Yeah. But the the creature that's
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  following it, it is, you know, still a government experiment.
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  They are still linked like that. It is like coming for him.
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  It's called the outsider though. And instead of having NSO agents
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  following him, it is a person who is hired by the Soviets who
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  want nobody who knows how the outsider and the dog, like,
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  doesn't want to know how to control them.
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  So that way the creatures can wreak as much havoc as possible
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  because that would be good for the Soviets for everything to be
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  destabilized. But the mercenary that they've
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  hired is also going to try and capture the dog and sell it to a
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  third party for his own financial gain.
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  So yes, I do like that they still made Michael Ironsign a
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  real shitheel at the end of this.
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  I'm just, I mean, he got Michael Ironsign.
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  So yeah, it's because it's not. It's Lem is a new character in
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  the movie, but he kind of serves that same purpose.
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  And then one final thing that just, it sticks with me so much.
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  So they teach Einstein idioms, and whether ones they teach him
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  is like, soon you'll be fiddle as a fiddle 'cause there was a
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  moment where they had to like, help him heal and get better.
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  Except part of the problem was he's like being destabilized
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  with the outsider. I think it's been a while since
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  I've read it, but it's something like that.
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  So they had taught him the phrase fit as a fiddle, and when
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  he wasn't doing so good, towards the climax of the book, he
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  spelled out with the Scrabble tiles fiddle out of tune.
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  I know he's kind of an equally sad message with Scrabble in the
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  movie too. Yeah.
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  Yeah, poor man. Yeah, so I just, the book is
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  really great. We own it so you can read it
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  anytime you want. It's really good.
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  I like the movie a lot. Yeah, so I thought the movie,
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  like, again, it's probably one of those things that it's a good
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  thing I haven't read it recently because I could, like, turn my
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  brain off a little bit more. Yeah, I think what really
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  bothered me the most was calling Einstein for your Face because
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  like. I get where Einstein comes from,
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  but fur face is also what you call a dog.
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  Yeah, that's what he was calling the dog before he knew he was
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  smart. So I was like, all right, fur
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  face and it just kind of sticks. Yeah, I don't mean, I guess I
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  can't say too much because we call Italia puppy all the time.
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  Yeah, it's like with Cordelia. She was named Kitty Cat and then
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  Kitty Cat. Because.
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  Yeah, yeah. So I completely get it, Yeah.
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  So that's a little bit out of the background about the book,
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  OK, but. That's good to know.
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  Now we're. Gonna talk about the movie all.
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  Right, let's talk about the movie.
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  And what did you think was good about this movie?
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  So first of all, I fucking love the dog in this movie.
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  Like again, like the good boy movie that came out this past
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  year. This dog deserves credit for
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  doing what it did because holy shit like it.
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  Were they such a good girl? Yeah, it did a great job in this
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  movie. Like I I just love the dog as a
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  character too. Like how they're.
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  A little bit wrong to continuously refer to her as a
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  golden retriever though, because that dog is brown.
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  Yeah, I look, I don't know like dog breeds well enough to be
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  able to like call bullshit when people call us like, you know,
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  the. Golden part of the golden
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  retriever refers to it. Oh, yeah, I figured.
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  But you know, like I, I don't know, like maybe maybe it's like
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  a really golden, like brown golden type.
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  Yeah, I guess I'm not. My color blind ass isn't 1 to
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  talk. But yeah, but either way, like I
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  I like the dog as a character too.
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  I like how they interacted Travis and fur face.
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  It was it was a really good dynamic.
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  I think having him H down a little bit, being like high
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  school and having that dog there because like that's like a
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  that's a bond that is very tight and like around that age right
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  there. Whenever you have something like
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  that, like that's one that like lasts forever.
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  Yeah. So like I I just really enjoyed
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  that. And I really like the cast of
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  this movie too. Corey Ames solid and just about
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  everything he's in. He does a great job in this.
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  And Michael Ironside always is a fucking asshole in every movie,
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  but he's so good at it. Yes, that's that's what I'm
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  saying. You can't cast him in this role
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  and not have him be a complete shitheel buddy.
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  Yeah, like every movie I've ever seen with him, He is.
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  He's an asshole. Like Prom Night Three, he killed
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  us like a person. Like, I know it's a horror
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  movie, but like, he did it in high school and he was the
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  reason why Mary Lou had all that shit.
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  Yeah. And two, yeah.
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  He said 3. Oh, did I say 30?
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  Sorry. Two.
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  Yeah, 3 was the other weird one that we don't talk about as
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  much. We.
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  Talked about it quite a bit actually.
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  We did, but that's a, that's probably the last that'll
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  happen. And then, yeah, scanners.
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  All I can think of anytime I see him is like an exploding head.
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  Yeah, but. Yeah, but yeah, like I liked it.
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  I liked the story overall. I liked the monster like as I
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  like the kills that they did. Like I like the especially that
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  scene with the cops going to the school and finding all the
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  bodies and then the the monster just like attacks the cops and
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  like pushes Piper I think was the female cop into the yeah
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  electric box. Yeah, she gets the Friday the
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  13th chill. Yeah, yeah, like just like fried
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  to death and like, I don't know, like it was some pretty vicious
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  stuff and I could tell that they were on a budget with what they
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  were doing because a lot of it like there was some like non
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  show Porter. OK, like they they didn't show
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  everything, but the parts that I did see look really good.
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  So yeah, I just had a fun time with it.
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  You know, it was a good, it was a good trip.
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  Yeah, they definitely, for a movie that felt like it was kind
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  of teetering on the edge of like ratings and cuts and everything,
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  I think it did a really good job because the book is pretty
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  graphic about some of the stuff that happened.
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  Well, my my theory is much it's why.
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  Some of this was. The way it is, that's why I
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  guess Bug had to begin with because of how they handled the
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  monster and the killing. That could make sense too.
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  Yeah, I think that it took some. It feels like a loose adaptation
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  of Watchers. Like you've got kind of the the
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  main themes, you know, you've got the dog and the this other
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  creature and they're linked that way and.
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  That's a really cool idea too. I like that idea.
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  Yeah. And, and I think they, like,
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  told their own story with it. And I don't know, I like, I had
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  an OK time watching the movie. I think it was still pretty
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  enjoyable. I was looking for things that I
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  remembered from the book, and that didn't happen.
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  But I think if I watch this again, I'd be OK just like
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  turning my brain off and watching it.
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  Yeah, OK. Like you said, the dog.
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  The dog is great. I like that they did that
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  Scrabble game and they were arguing over using an
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  abbreviation. I grabbed the dictionary.
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  He grabbed the dictionary and he was just like what?
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  And like the face that he makes when he goes to get the hot dogs
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  out of the fridge. And it's like you said, I could
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  have one. You said it.
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  You got to give me one because Talia has given us that exact
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  same look before, like you promised.
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  Talia was super jealous of this dog, by the way.
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  Yeah, yeah, she was. She was not happy.
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  Like she was sitting there the whole time and she, like, her
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  eyes were wide, but she was looking down at the ground and
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  it's like the face somebody has and they're like eavesdropping
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  on a conversation and not hearing super flattering things
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  about themselves. We assured her she was the best
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  puppy so it's not like we were telling her that this dog was
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  better doesn't her or anything. She's better than this stock.
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  Yeah, she just, she just has some jealousy issues and we were
• 18:42
  joking. It's a good thing.
• 18:43
  But this is a 2V episode and she didn't have to give a rating.
• 18:46
  Yeah, but Scout will. Yeah, Scout will.
• 18:48
  Yeah, for sure. Yeah.
• 18:51
  So what did you think was bad? So I guess like a part of that
• 18:55
  is also like on the other side of it with the creature, we
• 19:01
  barely see it and when we do see it, it is kind of rough look and
• 19:04
  I understand why they had to hide it.
• 19:05
  For the most part, it kind of looks like Donkey Kong.
• 19:09
  I feel like it kind of looks like Oz Green Oz.
• 19:12
  Oz in I know Where I know where you like the werewolf.
• 19:16
  Yes. Of Oz Yeah.
• 19:18
  Green cheeses. No, I think, and this is like
• 19:22
  kind of a testament to how bad I think it looks in here.
• 19:24
  I think Buffy beats the. I think the Buffy werewolf beats
• 19:29
  the monster in this. Yeah, but you see it more and
• 19:34
  like it's when you see the, the monster in this, it's kind of
• 19:38
  cartoonish whenever you finally start to see it.
• 19:40
  Like I, I get why they hit it because they didn't want to.
• 19:44
  It was definitely way more effective whenever we were
• 19:46
  seeing like the arm reach in and grab things and shit like that.
• 19:51
  But like, I'm, I'm not going to lie, when I was watching the
• 19:54
  movie and we were like, like already almost at the end of it,
• 19:57
  I was like, why have we not seen this thing yet?
• 19:59
  Like I I want to at least see what this thing is.
• 20:02
  Yeah, yeah. So it was a little disappointing
• 20:04
  not having all of the kills on screen because of that 'cause we
• 20:08
  have some off screen deaths like the kids and the, the mountains
• 20:11
  that were biking around and yeah, it's like a few random
• 20:14
  ones. Fuck, God, I can't remember his
• 20:17
  name. The, the fucking guy that's
• 20:20
  fixing her appliances. Hockney.
• 20:22
  Hockney. Yeah, he gets his head ripped
• 20:24
  off and we don't see that Like, come on, you're going to deny us
• 20:27
  a decapitation like that. And that guy was kind of like,
• 20:30
  like he was a good, like fodder, you know what I mean?
• 20:33
  Like he would be a fun one to watch.
• 20:35
  Have his head ripped. Off yeah, him and the kids are
• 20:37
  both characters that had connections to our main
• 20:39
  characters and it would have been nice to kind of.
• 20:42
  Yeah. And follow those a little bit
• 20:44
  more. He didn't like I had budgets.
• 20:45
  Must have made that unlikely to happen because, I mean, we got
• 20:50
  the end results, which looked good, but I would have liked to
• 20:52
  have seen what happened. Yeah, but that's really mostly
• 20:56
  my bad. Yeah, I think my bad is mostly
• 20:59
  just besides those things that I was really craving from the
• 21:04
  book. I also I mean the blood is
• 21:09
  bright red paint. Yeah, it is.
• 21:10
  Bright red spatter paint and some blood.
• 21:13
  Is that shade? Yes, but you're going to have
• 21:16
  both types of blood if you behead somebody.
• 21:18
  So you're gonna have the bright red blood and the dark venous
• 21:20
  blood. Yeah, yeah, it is like that.
• 21:24
  So. And that's my.
• 21:26
  It's not that Argento boy, at least like Dario Argento has
• 21:30
  like he does. It almost feels stylized.
• 21:33
  It is when. He does it.
• 21:34
  I'm pretty sure it is stylized. It's like, no, I take that back
• 21:37
  because in dark, what is it? Deep red.
• 21:41
  No, the new one he made. Oh, dark glasses.
• 21:44
  Dark glasses. OK, I was going to say dark
• 21:46
  glasses and I was like, is that right?
• 21:48
  He did slightly better blood so maybe it's not his stuff, I
• 21:53
  don't know. Whatever.
• 21:54
  Anyway, ugly. Well, do I have to say like I
• 21:58
  the dog going through such troubles, especially the scene
• 22:04
  where the dog jumps from the second story and injuries
• 22:06
  itself. Yeah.
• 22:08
  Like hearing the dog whimper and being taken to the vet.
• 22:12
  Oh my God, it killed me. Yeah, that one was that was
• 22:15
  rough, Rough like because he was jumping out and he got caught as
• 22:21
  he was jumping out and it was sad.
• 22:23
  Yeah, like I I anytime you put dog whimpers into a movie or a
• 22:29
  show or anything like that, it just automatically is a bummer.
• 22:33
  It brings me down no matter what I'm watching.
• 22:36
  Like I don't want to listen to it.
• 22:37
  It like it it triggers something primal in me.
• 22:39
  It does. Yeah.
• 22:40
  Same here. I just.
• 22:41
  It's hard. What about you?
• 22:44
  Oh yeah, that's the same, obviously.
• 22:46
  Yeah. And also like, I don't know, we
• 22:49
  end the movie and they're like, hey, fur face is live like.
• 22:55
  Well fur face is going to be OK. Fur face, they they get them
• 22:58
  help, surely? I don't know we.
• 23:01
  How does it in the book? I don't remember exactly, I know
• 23:04
  that Einstein lives, but that we get slightly more closure than
• 23:09
  that. OK.
• 23:09
  I was going to say like that's the same.
• 23:11
  The fiddle gets retuned OK, OK, but.
• 23:16
  It takes a beating there at the end.
• 23:17
  But also like we've been through the whole oh God, urgent and go
• 23:22
  to the vet kind of thing, and that is emotionally fraught.
• 23:27
  And so you get the all clear. So yeah, we know that it wasn't.
• 23:34
  No, I like, in reality, yeah. In reality, I would have been
• 23:38
  panicked and, like, driving straight to the boat.
• 23:40
  But like, you know, I I think the dog seems stable mostly.
• 23:45
  Like, I I think it was OK. That's what I choose to believe.
• 23:48
  That's what the movie made us like, LED us to believe in the
• 23:50
  end. OK, OK.
• 23:53
  Absurd. Fucking Travis gives the dog
• 23:58
  chocolate so many times. That's why the dog needs to be
• 24:02
  going to the vet, because he keeps feeding it poison.
• 24:05
  But it's not old dog, it's like. It's a genetically modified dog.
• 24:10
  Genetically modified? Yeah.
• 24:11
  They took an actual dog, like a real dog, and then they just,
• 24:14
  like, made alterations to it. That doesn't mean that it
• 24:16
  doesn't like. It had gene.
• 24:18
  It had human genes in it too. Yeah, but like how much of that
• 24:24
  I think? It.
• 24:26
  I'm still standing by the fact that Travis gave it chocolate in
• 24:29
  the 1st place because he didn't know that whenever he was
• 24:31
  feeding it chocolate. That's true.
• 24:34
  That's just bad. Bad, bad, bad.
• 24:36
  That's poison people. Don't ever do that to your dogs.
• 24:39
  That's true. Yeah, what's yours?
• 24:42
  My absurd, I guess, is man. Can't think of 1.
• 24:55
  Absurd. I'm trying to think I'm sorry.
• 24:58
  Like I, I had all of my thoughts lined up with Final Destination
• 25:02
  after this. Subscription in my.
• 25:03
  Head I think, I think probably part of the absurd is the local
• 25:08
  cops. I I mean, they're fun.
• 25:11
  Their banter back and forth is fun, but they're terrible at
• 25:14
  their jobs. Like a very goosey.
• 25:21
  He. He.
• 25:22
  He almost looks like he gave me Gary Busey vibes.
• 25:25
  I was like Jesse. Like why like we?
• 25:27
  This guy reminds me of Gary Busey.
• 25:29
  Reunite Corey Haim and Gary Busey.
• 25:31
  Yeah, Super Bowl. We just need that wheelchair in
• 25:34
  here too. Yeah, I think no, like, cuz you
• 25:37
  know, Porter gets that call from the maintenance man at the high
• 25:40
  school and she's like, oh, he was screaming and the sheriff
• 25:43
  was like what? And she's like, well, who call
• 25:46
  back if it's? Important.
• 25:47
  I know. I like I like the look that gave
• 25:50
  me black Christmas vibes whenever the John Saxon's
• 25:55
  character's like. So you don't think that we
• 25:57
  should be checking out the house where the sister is missing and
• 26:00
  they're getting a bunch of harassing phone calls?
• 26:02
  You know, it's just very much that.
• 26:05
  Yeah. All right.
• 26:06
  Well, then let's rate it. OK.
• 26:10
  Had a good time with this. I think I'd give it a 7 1/2.
• 26:15
  I'm going to give it a 6 1/2. OK.
• 26:18
  So there's a starting average of seven?
• 26:19
  Nice. Like, not bad.
• 26:21
  All right, let's get into it. So we start off.
• 26:25
  With a bang, yeah. Like that caught me off guard.
• 26:29
  I didn't expect like frame one to be an explosion.
• 26:32
  Yeah, yeah. And it just kept going.
• 26:34
  And then we see a dog running and something following it and
• 26:38
  we get to the news explaining it was an explosion at the by
• 26:40
  Binodyne. Binodyne abandoned.
• 26:48
  It's a building. Hold on, I've got the name of
• 26:51
  the certain of somewhere Cyanadine.
• 26:56
  Where the fuck is it? Whatever, it's somewhere.
• 26:58
  I'll find it later in my notes. It's a banadine people, OK,
• 27:01
  It's. It's a it's a lab that
• 27:03
  supposedly contracts for the NSO, and we see insiders at the
• 27:08
  NSO say that the dog in Oxcom 7 escaped and the lamb has to find
• 27:13
  it. Yep.
• 27:15
  So the dog was running. Yeah, they're they're linked.
• 27:17
  There's about 72 hours before the Oxcom will kill the dog.
• 27:22
  Yeah, So Lem calls OXCOM a disaster, he said.
• 27:27
  The whole project is a disaster. The dog is being tracked.
• 27:31
  And basically OXCOM is supposed to be like the Super soldier is
• 27:35
  a killing machine. It's got no conscience, but they
• 27:38
  keep killing the dogs. That's so sad.
• 27:42
  Yeah, fuck really fucked up. Yeah, so we're now at a barn,
• 27:46
  which is where the dog wandered to.
• 27:48
  Just opens that door up right away.
• 27:50
  Yeah, no issues. Good boy.
• 27:51
  Yeah. Yeah, goes inside and we see
• 27:54
  Tracy and Travis get cock blocked by the sounds.
• 27:58
  Of poor boy, he was just like, oh, there goes my microphone.
• 28:02
  I was like Queen and Inquest. It was like, what are you going
• 28:05
  to say? Speak up.
• 28:08
  Yeah. Like he was like lifting the
• 28:11
  shirt up and then boom. Yep.
• 28:12
  Yeah. Hear the sounds.
• 28:13
  Tracy assumes it's her dad, so he sneaks out and the dog is all
• 28:17
  sneaking out at the same time. And Tracy goes downstairs and
• 28:20
  she's like, I'm just feeding the horses, obviously, with my shirt
• 28:23
  untucked, my hair messed up. Yeah.
• 28:25
  Of course, yeah. And the dad's, like, really mad.
• 28:27
  He's like, you got to go to school tomorrow.
• 28:29
  She's like, it's Saturday's like, yeah, still.
• 28:31
  But is it because Travis actually does go to school
• 28:35
  tomorrow? Was that the next day?
• 28:37
  I thought there were days. Off saying there's 72 hours
• 28:40
  before the Hawks come kills the dog so this timeline don't
• 28:46
  trust. It I think that's a loose
• 28:47
  sideline. Yeah.
• 28:49
  Well, either way. So Travis gets in his truck, his
• 28:52
  truck. Truck, if you will.
• 28:53
  And I will. I will see actually and fur face
• 28:58
  or a dog in this case just jumps in the bed of the truck without
• 29:01
  him knowing. Meanwhile, back at the barn, as
• 29:04
  Tracy is feeding the horses, she is attacked by something.
• 29:07
  She screams. Her dad comes in to help her.
• 29:10
  He is attacked to death. To attack to death, yeah.
• 29:14
  And it's really bad. He dies.
• 29:16
  Her mom had died the year before, so she is an orphan.
• 29:19
  She's in high school. This is really rough to see her
• 29:21
  cry the way she is. The cops are arguing if it's a
• 29:27
  grizzly bear or a Sasquatch, and it's meant to make Porter look
• 29:31
  kooky, but she's closer. Yeah, right.
• 29:35
  She's. Closer and then they're also
• 29:36
  like why they get into kind of like a pissing contest with the
• 29:39
  NSO. Yeah, it's the whole thing,
• 29:41
  like, oh, you're taking over this investigation, This is my
• 29:44
  county, Whatever bullshit. So Travis notices the dog in the
• 29:49
  bed of his truck. He stops and then as he stops to
• 29:52
  get out, the dog jumps out and then hops in the cabin of the
• 29:54
  truck. Did I ever tell you my dog
• 29:57
  growing up like, oh, she, she wasn't supposed to get on the
• 30:01
  couch, but she would anyway. And it was kind of one of those
• 30:04
  like she just, if she didn't do it blatantly, we wouldn't call
• 30:08
  her out on it. But she started getting bolder
• 30:09
  the older she got. And she would go to the door and
• 30:13
  scratch at it like she needed to go out and see.
• 30:15
  You would get up and stand up and go to open the door and she
• 30:18
  would run and take your spot on the couch.
• 30:20
  You. Know you got to reward that
• 30:21
  though. That's thinking.
• 30:22
  I know it's kind of like, well, you're not supposed to be on the
• 30:26
  couch and also you stole my seat, but you kind of earned it.
• 30:29
  Yeah. You.
• 30:29
  Like that dog definitely earned it.
• 30:31
  You better not have kicked it off.
• 30:33
  Man smart dogs. Well, the same, same thing
• 30:38
  applies here. Travis is like, you got to get
• 30:39
  out there, you can't be there. He's like, all right, you know,
• 30:42
  as you do with the dog. Yeah, and the dog starts eating
• 30:44
  cookies in his front seat. He goes.
• 30:45
  Well, those are pretty good. He.
• 30:47
  Mentions he's like there's. But I don't have any more food
• 30:49
  unless you count the candy bar in my glove compartment and
• 30:52
  furry face poop. At the candy bar, he's like,
• 30:55
  holy shit. He's like, all right, I guess
• 30:57
  you can have that too, but I get a piece, please.
• 31:00
  Yeah, again, right. Reaction with your dog.
• 31:02
  Yeah. So yeah, yeah, they're, they're
• 31:05
  bonding already. They get to his house and in the
• 31:08
  garage he makes him a little bed inside of a tub.
• 31:14
  But that's not that's not where her face is going to sleep, for
• 31:17
  her face follows him into the house, and that's how he wakes
• 31:20
  up in the morning. Yeah, I like that.
• 31:22
  Yeah. So he's woken up in his bed for
• 31:24
  face licking him and he has to hide because he's not allowed to
• 31:27
  have a dog and moms coming up to go check on him.
• 31:30
  Yeah. Got to tell him about what
• 31:31
  happened last night about Tracy. Tracy got attacked.
• 31:35
  OK, I guess this is the next day.
• 31:36
  If this is Sunday, then and he's going to the hospital, then the
• 31:40
  next day. We want it.
• 31:41
  That makes sense. OK.
• 31:43
  Yeah. So they get to the hospital and
• 31:48
  they're not letting him in to see Tracy, but he kind of, like,
• 31:52
  storms past him and the room's empty.
• 31:54
  Like, what? We moved her to a safer location
• 31:58
  but they don't trust them and Travis is concerned that they
• 32:01
  have guns cuz he's like these are clearly not doctors and his
• 32:04
  mom is like well they didn't say they were doctors.
• 32:06
  That's true, they didn't. Well they did not say they
• 32:09
  weren't doctors cuz he asked if they were doctors and they
• 32:11
  didn't really address it directly.
• 32:13
  I feel like they're like, really?
• 32:15
  Yeah, right. Yeah.
• 32:18
  So back at the house and mom doesn't like, she doesn't want
• 32:21
  to keep her face because she's like, we, I work, you go to
• 32:25
  school. It could never work.
• 32:26
  It could never work out. Nobody in the.
• 32:29
  History of dog ownership has had this arrangement, but he wants
• 32:34
  to show her how smart the dog is, so he says hey, in the
• 32:38
  bottom right drawer of our fridge is a pack of hot dogs.
• 32:42
  If you can go down there and grab them, we'll give you 1 and
• 32:45
  she does it or he doesn't. Yep, and.
• 32:48
  Like the the look on his face and he gets the hot dog.
• 32:50
  Give me a fucking hot dog. Yeah.
• 32:52
  And then he like further produces smartness by she's
• 32:56
  like, OK, like is this a book or something else?
• 32:58
  I don't know. Yeah, no, she's holding up two
• 33:01
  different books, She goes. Which one has a deer on it?
• 33:05
  That's right. Yeah.
• 33:06
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 33:06
  And then I was like asking like, is this George Washington?
• 33:09
  Is this Ben Franklin? Opus Abraham Lincoln.
• 33:12
  Yeah, Yeah, it's cool, yes. Smart dog.
• 33:16
  Travis gives him a bath and sees GH3 like, marked in his ear and
• 33:21
  realizes he's probably a research animal and that's why
• 33:23
  he's so smart. Yeah.
• 33:25
  Meanwhile, Lim and Cliff are watching video notes about the
• 33:30
  Francis experiment, as it's called, and basically talking
• 33:33
  about OXCOM and GH3. They're like brothers.
• 33:36
  They share genes. But the OXCOM, in all of their
• 33:39
  iterations of this experiment, it keeps just having this hatred
• 33:43
  towards this dog, which makes it uncontrollable.
• 33:45
  The dynamic apparently is the dog acts as the homing device
• 33:49
  and OXCOM is the missile. So they send the dog in it in
• 33:53
  full trace and then that's where the monster comes in and wrecks.
• 33:56
  You. But it wants to also wreck the
• 33:58
  dog. Yeah.
• 33:59
  So meanwhile, Nora is saying that she's going to call the
• 34:04
  newspaper and put it in an ad to see if anybody's missing this
• 34:07
  dog, and her face is unplugged. So funny.
• 34:11
  I love. That so the dog's facial
• 34:14
  expressions are perfect. Yeah, and they understand, like,
• 34:17
  OK, clearly the dog came from a troubled place and does not want
• 34:19
  to go back like that's. A good thing, yeah, that's.
• 34:22
  Yeah, that's what Travis is. He was like, clearly like this
• 34:25
  dog is smart enough to say I don't want to go back to where
• 34:27
  I'm from yeah. Meanwhile, don't we go down to a
• 34:30
  van by the river and. Like what the fuck is his name?
• 34:37
  Almost said Nick Foley. It's something.
• 34:40
  No, Oh my God, no. Now I can picture him.
• 34:45
  It's something Foley. I can't fucking remember.
• 34:48
  Whatever. You broke my brain.
• 34:51
  I can picture him. He's in Tommy Boy too.
• 34:55
  No, the character's name. Is what I was thinking about.
• 34:58
  No, I was trying to think of the actor's name.
• 35:00
  I can't remember any of the other now.
• 35:01
  Chris Farley, Chris. Farley Yeah, whatever.
• 35:03
  You know who we're talking about, people.
• 35:05
  I feel better down by the van, by the river.
• 35:07
  We have a camper who is just going to his camper.
• 35:11
  He gets Oxcommed. He gets oxcommed because he
• 35:13
  thinks it's those fucking kids again are stealing his fish.
• 35:16
  Do kids really steal his fish all the time?
• 35:19
  Man, like small town shit, you know you got to find something
• 35:22
  to do. But later we hear the kids say
• 35:24
  like he probably got busted that weed he grows.
• 35:26
  So I feel like mostly they steal his weed and then just to be
• 35:29
  extra assholes they take his fish.
• 35:31
  Yeah. I feel like they don't actually
• 35:34
  want the fish but they just want to fuck with.
• 35:36
  Him they are asshole. Kids.
• 35:37
  Yeah, they really are. He just wants he just wants to
• 35:40
  hand wash his clothes, cook his fish over a fire and get high.
• 35:44
  I'm sorry, I thought this was America.
• 35:46
  That's. The life right there.
• 35:48
  More power to you, dude. So yeah, he's dead though.
• 35:51
  Yeah, Travis wants to go look for Tracy, but we get like mom
• 35:56
  saying no, you have to go to school, and if you don't go to
• 35:59
  school, we can't keep her face. Yeah, and you can't take your
• 36:01
  dog with you because he wants to take the dog to school too.
• 36:03
  She's like at. School.
• 36:05
  You can't have a dog at school. Says who?
• 36:08
  Where does it say that? We get that Mary, Little Mary
• 36:11
  had a little lamb, and so we know lambs aren't allowed at
• 36:16
  school because that's part of the nursery rhyme.
• 36:18
  And then it did follow her to school one day though.
• 36:21
  It did. You're right.
• 36:22
  But it made the children laugh and play, and I feel like that's
• 36:24
  what happens in this movie too. It is, this is.
• 36:26
  And dude, the dog even, OK, the dog actually does his work
• 36:29
  formally. So we're getting ahead of
• 36:31
  ourselves first. Instead of my dog ate my
• 36:33
  homework, my dog did. My homework, yeah.
• 36:36
  OK, so while he's at school, Johnson drops by Johnson is my.
• 36:40
  That's how I referred to Michael R inside.
• 36:42
  I didn't get his first name. I just referred to him as
• 36:44
  Johnson. Yeah, he drops by Travis's house
• 36:48
  to question Travis because he. Well, he said he has a dog and.
• 36:53
  Hockney is there fixing their dryer.
• 36:56
  Dude, he's like, yeah, I'm here fixing their employment, if you
• 36:59
  know what I mean. I mean he actually is, but like
• 37:02
  it's like the porno. Scenario.
• 37:04
  This is upsettingly horny. He is very horny, Yeah.
• 37:07
  I mean I think he he was in a porno.
• 37:10
  Yeah, I mean, that's the fantasy he has set up for himself, and I
• 37:14
  feel like Nora is taking full advantage of that.
• 37:16
  Yeah, she is. Yeah.
• 37:18
  It's an arrangement that's working for everybody.
• 37:21
  But yeah, he tells Liam like, oh, no, they don't have a dog.
• 37:24
  So he leaves. Fur face comes to school.
• 37:27
  I love the girls that like walk through the front door and see
• 37:30
  him jump on the door and they're like.
• 37:32
  Let him in. Yeah, let's let him.
• 37:34
  In and he runs to the computer lab, which is the class Travis
• 37:38
  has and he goes to the computer and takes the pencil and types
• 37:41
  in dangerous and so and Travis is like oh, OK, so the NSO was
• 37:50
  after you and they were the bad guys and fur face barks, barks.
• 37:53
  Bark. Yeah, and the teacher gets
• 37:56
  really upset with them. Yeah, I listen.
• 37:59
  Fur Face could learn inside Bark in one try because we've taught
• 38:03
  Talia inside bark and she's hard headed.
• 38:06
  Yeah, but he's got like, he probably got caught up in his
• 38:09
  emotions. He's like, yes, fuck those guys.
• 38:12
  Yeah, so basically he gets detention but is still allowed
• 38:15
  to keep the dog. And you know what?
• 38:18
  Not the worst scenario. That's so good that you know
• 38:21
  I'll take it. We see the kids that are like
• 38:25
  friends with Travis or whatever, they were cutting school and
• 38:29
  they see the man in the camper down by the river.
• 38:32
  Like, they see the cops all around him and are like, well,
• 38:36
  guess we better get away before they think we're involved in his
• 38:39
  murder. And they go into the woods and
• 38:41
  while they're there, they get ox combed as well.
• 38:43
  Yeah. And it's it's pretty rough.
• 38:46
  Yeah, I wish we could have seen more.
• 38:48
  There was a cool stunt of one of the kids falling down the
• 38:50
  mountain though that like I appreciated.
• 38:52
  And what is this Lord of the Flies bullshit where they keep
• 38:55
  calling the one guy piggy? He's not even that fat of a kid.
• 38:58
  No, he's got he's got a little baby fat.
• 39:00
  Yeah, that's what they called it even in the movie.
• 39:02
  But still, you know, I think that they're just looking for
• 39:04
  somebody to pick on here. Yeah, it was just like, bollocks
• 39:08
  to your ass, my piggy. Yeah, well, after the Oxcam
• 39:12
  kills the boys there, he stumbles upon the school because
• 39:16
  that's where the fur faces. Yep, but Fur face and Travis
• 39:21
  have both left for the day. Yep they know who hasn't left
• 39:24
  the teacher and so he gets attacked and the maintenance
• 39:28
  person downstairs hears the screams through the vents.
• 39:31
  This was some good sound work actually cuz it was very eerie
• 39:35
  the way they made these sounds. So he calls the cops and he's
• 39:38
  saying, hey, I'm maintenance here.
• 39:40
  I'm hearing some oh, God. And then he starts screaming
• 39:42
  too. And then the line is cut and the
• 39:44
  sheriff asked Porter what it was.
• 39:46
  And she goes, oh, just some guy screaming down at the school.
• 39:48
  Yeah, if it's an issue, he'll call back.
• 39:50
  Like, are you fucking getting like the way that Barry Goosey
• 39:52
  looks at her? It's just.
• 39:54
  Like, and you know what, I thank you.
• 39:57
  I am glad that he had the the right thought of being like, no,
• 40:01
  we need to go check this out. Yeah, right.
• 40:04
  Yeah, and that leads to one of my favorite scenes in the movie
• 40:06
  where the cops, they arrive at the school and they go into the
• 40:09
  computer lab. They find the teacher dead
• 40:11
  there. Yep.
• 40:12
  And then they go down into, I'm guessing like the boiler room or
• 40:16
  whatever where the maintenance guy was.
• 40:18
  Man, schools in the 80s be having huge messy boiler.
• 40:22
  Rooms. Yeah, right.
• 40:22
  I didn't ever see that shit in my school.
• 40:24
  Never. I would be shocked if my school
• 40:26
  had a boiler. Yeah, right.
• 40:29
  Yeah. They find the maintenance guy,
• 40:33
  he's pinned against the wall. He's kind of got the Michael
• 40:35
  Myers Bob kill right there pinned up against.
• 40:38
  The wall was this part of like, Oxcom's like creation and
• 40:42
  training like. Watch Halloween.
• 40:44
  Watch War. Movies Watch Friday the 13th
• 40:46
  because then he throws Porter into an electric panel.
• 40:50
  Dude, yeah, and it's awesome. Like it's a great kill and then
• 40:53
  chases the the sheriff. Listen, this was a moment and I
• 40:57
  was like, I could see you doing something like that.
• 40:59
  You're like, dude, I I did stuff like that because he runs
• 41:02
  through the school and it's the double doors in the front with
• 41:06
  the push bars, right? And instead of going for one or
• 41:08
  the other, just running and pushing right through, my man
• 41:11
  jumps up and hips both of them right in the middle.
• 41:15
  So that way both doors open. You run at the door, you run at
• 41:19
  the door and then you just like put your hip to the side and
• 41:21
  just on just open it with your hips while you're in the air.
• 41:24
  And then you just bust out the door.
• 41:25
  And I told Jesse I was like, I did that.
• 41:28
  And that was that was me. And right there, that's like,
• 41:30
  summer break. Like, hell yeah, let's fucking
• 41:32
  go. Yeah.
• 41:34
  Like, so he's not exactly in that good of a mood because he
• 41:36
  got chased by a monster. So now the cops are at the
• 41:39
  school. NSL arrives and he is furious
• 41:41
  with them and he is like, hey, you didn't warn us what was
• 41:44
  going on. We weren't prepared for what
• 41:46
  we're going to deal with. You need to tell me everything
• 41:49
  that you know or I'm going to go to the press with what I've
• 41:52
  figured out so far. So.
• 41:53
  It's like, all right, fine, I'll tell you everything, but we got
• 41:56
  to go away from everybody first. Yep, and unfortunately Lam has
• 42:05
  taken his orders very seriously that this is on a need to know
• 42:07
  basis. So he kills Gary Barry Goosey.
• 42:12
  He gives some details about the project.
• 42:14
  First, it's called the Francis project.
• 42:16
  I can't remember why they called it that, but basically he's
• 42:20
  like, what? OK, so if it's so intelligent,
• 42:23
  why is it behaving like this? And he explains it's got a
• 42:26
  reasonable mind, but it's not right emotionally.
• 42:28
  You cannot control any of that. So it's just always in like an
• 42:31
  anger. So it just, yeah, it's always
• 42:33
  attacking. Yep.
• 42:35
  And then he's like, all right, so one final thing.
• 42:38
  And then he just like grabs him and shoves him through the
• 42:40
  window of his car. This is.
• 42:42
  Probably the most graphic death we actually got.
• 42:44
  Yeah, it's really well done. And he like stabs him.
• 42:46
  Like he's like jamming his neck repeatedly on the broken glass
• 42:49
  and just stabbing him. And then, to cover his traces
• 42:53
  even more, he plucks his eyeballs out the same way all
• 42:56
  the Tom has been doing. Yeah, that's really good.
• 42:59
  So we see Hockney trying to put the moves on Nora.
• 43:03
  She's not in the mood. She's got a lot going on right
• 43:06
  now. She's very stressed and she's
• 43:08
  apparently a shoes in the house person because even after he is
• 43:11
  like undone one of her shoes, she puts it back on.
• 43:13
  She's like what the fuck? And then Travis and fur face
• 43:19
  come in and he goes, oh, you do have a dog.
• 43:22
  When did that happen? And they're like, what?
• 43:24
  Oh yeah, no, there was some guy that came by and he was asking
• 43:27
  if you had a dog. What?
• 43:28
  Also said he was going to take take you to see Tracy.
• 43:30
  What? They are like, so he's like, I
• 43:34
  got to go and then like Hockney's like, what the fuck is
• 43:36
  happening here? Hockney, by the way, he's an
• 43:39
  Aussie bloke and he is like exactly, picture it.
• 43:42
  That's it. That's exactly, that's exactly
• 43:45
  what this guy looks like. He's got the mole, he's got the
• 43:48
  accent. He like.
• 43:49
  Except it's not like like an intentional mullet is just like
• 43:52
  his haircut was a very specific continent grew out.
• 43:55
  I mean, it's kind of like the mullet at that time.
• 43:57
  It's like the Seinfeld mullet, almost a little bit more puffy
• 44:01
  in the back there. Either way, he's an awesome.
• 44:02
  He's a bloke. For sure he is a bloke, yes.
• 44:05
  So and Travis realizes that the Oxcott is following them because
• 44:10
  he's kind of put together, like he hears about the murders at
• 44:12
  the school and he's like, oh, shit, they're following you,
• 44:14
  right? For her face and for her face
• 44:16
  barks months for. Yes.
• 44:18
  So he sneaks out, but mom catches us.
• 44:21
  He's leaving. And she's like, listen, we're in
• 44:24
  this together. You're my boy.
• 44:25
  Yeah. You're my boy.
• 44:27
  Like my son, son. They're like, that's my boy.
• 44:31
  Yeah. So.
• 44:33
  They hop in the truck together. And they drive off then hot me.
• 44:36
  It's just like, well, I guess work on the dryer.
• 44:40
  I like how immediately whenever he is like, you know what, I'm
• 44:42
  going to fix this up. I'm going to get her in the mood
• 44:44
  and then it just like explodes on.
• 44:46
  But as soon as it happens, Oxcom shows up.
• 44:50
  And then Hotney is Oxcommed and. I don't know what happens here,
• 44:54
  but they decided to go back to their house.
• 44:55
  Well, cuz this is Nora had had that heart to heart with him out
• 44:58
  there as they're worrying. She's like, listen, we're in
• 45:00
  this together, we're going to fight this and this is happening
• 45:03
  simultaneously is hopping going. I know what lubes a lady's
• 45:07
  parts, working appliances. And then he is attacked and they
• 45:12
  come in and Oxcom has made quick work of destroying the fuck out
• 45:16
  of their home. And they, you know, they run
• 45:20
  upstairs to Travis's room and they're taking turns parkouring
• 45:24
  over to the next house's roof. And as her face jumps out,
• 45:29
  Oxcomb scratches him, throws off his momentum.
• 45:32
  He falls. That's not good for a dog's back
• 45:36
  legs that size. It's just, it's really rough.
• 45:39
  They get down, but Verbace is OK, just scratched up and hurt.
• 45:43
  So they get him to the vet. Yep, so they're at the vet.
• 45:48
  And as they're at the vet, the cops in the news have already
• 45:50
  made their way to the Cornell's house.
• 45:51
  Yeah, everybody's there. Like, I mean, come on.
• 45:54
  Like, you hear that shit? Neighbors heard that shit.
• 45:56
  Yeah, Like, yeah. So at the vet and this is a
• 46:00
  sketchy looking vet. This is like a mafia vet.
• 46:03
  It's like the vet from Better Call Saul.
• 46:05
  Take your word for it. Yeah, he's he's exactly what
• 46:07
  you're describing. So sorry if that came through.
• 46:10
  Yeah. So like, he's like, yeah, he'll
• 46:12
  be fine. He just needs an antibiotic
• 46:15
  ointment. I call bullshit.
• 46:17
  We've never ointmented Talia once and she's had lots of
• 46:21
  biotics. Yeah, maybe medicines progressed
• 46:23
  a lot since the 80s, but that's the reason is this guy is very
• 46:28
  sketched because. Yeah, he's gonna go call and.
• 46:31
  Get a reward. He notices on the ear the little
• 46:33
  thing there. And then he sees they have the
• 46:36
  missing dog posters and it's a Cancer Research dog is what they
• 46:39
  have it listed as, which I understand.
• 46:41
  Like, yeah, I get it. But at the same time, like
• 46:45
  clearly these people are taking care of this dog.
• 46:48
  As with markings like that, it's not always like related to
• 46:51
  research. Stray dogs and cats get marked
• 46:54
  like that a lot to show that they've been fixed.
• 46:57
  OK, it's like cats, especially if they're they're part of the
• 46:59
  catch and release program, they at least like fix them if they
• 47:03
  want to remain feral. Cats have the ability to decide
• 47:06
  if they want to be feral or domesticated.
• 47:07
  Just look at Scout. Yeah, she's, she's teetering
• 47:10
  back and forth all the time. And I think they do the same
• 47:14
  with like, stray dogs. That way if they get picked up
• 47:17
  by you know, like a shelter or something, they know that the
• 47:20
  dog is already fixed. Well, Travis Travis since since
• 47:24
  it's a sketch and overhears him on the phone calling in the dog
• 47:27
  so they book it out of there. And I like how the mom is like,
• 47:30
  we're just real criminals now. Like we didn't even pay him.
• 47:33
  Fuck that dude, he he did that to himself.
• 47:35
  Yeah, I just, I just, I feel like I would have that same
• 47:40
  reaction. Like we, we're truly on the Lam.
• 47:43
  If, well you know what, I still stand by it.
• 47:47
  So they end up stopping at a. You could.
• 47:48
  Say that, but our vet bills say differently.
• 47:52
  Well, our vet's been cool. We've not had any bad vet.
• 47:55
  Well, we have had bad vets, but you know.
• 47:58
  Our vet even texted us last night and said, hey, we'll have
• 48:01
  somebody monitoring the text line.
• 48:02
  Even if we don't have somebody in office.
• 48:04
  We don't know what the weather's gonna look like.
• 48:06
  That's right. So they stop at a hotel for the
• 48:08
  night and they stay there. And the cleric is very adamant
• 48:11
  that no dogs are allowed, but he won't say anything as long as
• 48:15
  his wife doesn't find out. Yeah, yeah.
• 48:19
  So they're there and next morning and so, yeah, they've
• 48:25
  tracked them down. And the wife did find out about
• 48:27
  the dog because she's, she's mad way smarter than her husband, I
• 48:31
  think. And she's like, yeah, please get
• 48:33
  them the fuck out of my facility.
• 48:36
  Thank you. And so they go and they're
• 48:38
  talking to Nora and they're kind of joking around that she
• 48:41
  wouldn't be a very good criminal mastermind.
• 48:43
  And whatever she stalls, she's asking about Tracy.
• 48:45
  And they're like, well, what if we can take you to see Tracy?
• 48:48
  What you believe is then she goes, well, I would like to see
• 48:50
  her. So they start to walk out.
• 48:51
  In the meantime, Travis and her face have snuck out the back and
• 48:55
  gotten into the truck. And by the point that the NSL
• 48:58
  and Nora are both out of the room, the truck is long gone.
• 49:02
  And he was like, I take that back.
• 49:03
  You would be a great criminal mastermind.
• 49:06
  And so they take her to see Tracy and she goes.
• 49:11
  Where are her injuries? Yeah, she's just drugged up.
• 49:16
  She is just being sedated and he's like, well, she's, she's
• 49:20
  very upset. You need to tell us where Travis
• 49:23
  and Fur Face are going. Where Travis and Fur Face are
• 49:26
  going is in fact, his, his dad's cabin.
• 49:31
  Meanwhile, we do have to point out, because this was a great
• 49:35
  moment, the motel owner is cleaning the room.
• 49:38
  She is furious at the amount of dog hair she's vacuuming up.
• 49:42
  I get it, girl, I really do. And we get like a triple fake
• 49:47
  out like she hears the sound in the bathroom.
• 49:50
  Oh, it's clear. Here's it from behind the
• 49:52
  curtain. Oh, bathtub's clear.
• 49:55
  Here's is checking something in the medicine cabinet, closes it.
• 49:59
  And then she turns around and. Then it's.
• 50:01
  Oxcombed we have a great triple freak fake out and I think
• 50:04
  that's just not all always done super well because it's so
• 50:08
  expected most of the. Time yeah, it's it's one that's
• 50:10
  always played with so you you know something either is going
• 50:13
  to happen or not I guess it's like it's at that point now to
• 50:15
  where you don't know what's going to happen anymore because.
• 50:18
  Yes, this didn't feel like a Meadow Wink, wink, nod, nod.
• 50:21
  This was just a We're building the.
• 50:23
  Kind of like Scream Five with Wes's character.
• 50:25
  Yes, that's exactly what it was thinking about.
• 50:26
  Yeah, yeah. They play with that so much in
• 50:29
  that scene. Yeah, it's it's a good depth.
• 50:31
  I liked it. So Travis, he goes to the store,
• 50:37
  he's getting some supplies. He gets actual dog treats for
• 50:41
  Fur Face. Yeah, I feel like he could have
• 50:42
  asked Fur Face what he wanted. Maybe he did.
• 50:46
  Like we sometimes will take Talia with us to feed her supply
• 50:50
  for her to pick out her the flavors of food she wants are
• 50:54
  I'm sure you guys have figured out in the years of listening to
• 50:57
  us at Thai is a little bit spoiled.
• 50:59
  Yeah. We cannot buy any bags larger
• 51:02
  than about 1520 lbs because if she has to eat the same flavor
• 51:07
  for more than a week, she won't she.
• 51:10
  Just stops. She likes ducks still.
• 51:12
  Yeah, well, duck, even though she still needs it.
• 51:14
  Like she needs something to break it up in between bags.
• 51:17
  Yeah sure she won't eat 2 bags to back bags of duck.
• 51:19
  No, she it's, she's very fussy. She has to approve of the foods
• 51:25
  when we bring them in. It's the whole system.
• 51:28
  That we have. Here, which has trained us.
• 51:30
  Yes, and I just I feel like Travis probably could have had
• 51:34
  fur faces involvement and what he was gonna.
• 51:36
  Eat. Yeah, probably would have been.
• 51:37
  I mean, especially since you can have a conversation with this
• 51:39
  dog. Yeah.
• 51:40
  He also buys an ammunition. And this guy like this guy,
• 51:43
  like, he's like, how old are you?
• 51:45
  So he's like old enough to know how to shoot a gun, something
• 51:48
  like that. And like they like he realized
• 51:50
  that he's true. He's like, yeah, like I'm.
• 51:53
  Going to shoot some Grizzlies. Grizzlies are extinct.
• 51:55
  No, no. No Grizzlies are protected.
• 51:58
  Yeah, he's like, Nah, he's like, yeah, I know.
• 52:00
  And the guy just like smiles. And he's like, fuck yeah, get
• 52:03
  you some guns, man. It's just.
• 52:05
  Like, such a nice little call back to the beginning when they
• 52:07
  thought that Tracy's dad was killed by possibly a grizzly
• 52:11
  because the sheriff was like, people around town really didn't
• 52:13
  like that we were protecting and bringing back the grizzly bear.
• 52:15
  Yeah. So I like the.
• 52:17
  Guy was like, yeah, he is. Yeah.
• 52:21
  So this is cool. This is the moment where they're
• 52:23
  back at the place they're rigging up.
• 52:25
  Well, OK, First off, they're doing Scrabble.
• 52:27
  Yeah, they had a Scrabble. He had brought the Scrabble port
• 52:30
  out and while he was at the store for face, made a message
• 52:32
  that said I go, I danger you, I stay, you die and travel.
• 52:39
  We're in the together. Yeah, they.
• 52:42
  Strategize together. It was, it was sad.
• 52:45
  Like I like that, Like it was an emotional moment.
• 52:47
  But then it's immediately like we get montage and they're
• 52:50
  sabotaging, like they're rigging up traps all over the place.
• 52:53
  And in the middle of rigging us up, they're also playing a game
• 52:55
  of Scrabble. Yeah, like I was so in Jesse,
• 52:57
  this scene, like to cap this off, it just we just need them
• 53:00
  to like high 5 like, yeah, yeah. But like, like, again, that
• 53:04
  scene of them playing Scrabble where like he's like, that's not
• 53:07
  a war and he pulls out the dictionary and he's like, you
• 53:09
  can't use abbreviations like DZ for dozens.
• 53:13
  Except the problem is, right as they're in the middle of
• 53:16
  arbitrating, they hear their little warning thing go off, and
• 53:20
  the NSA are there with Nora and Tracy, and so Travis runs out
• 53:26
  the Rose. A Molotow cocktail gets Tracy
• 53:30
  and Nora back towards the house and then Lem and Cliff.
• 53:34
  Yeah, they have like an argument.
• 53:36
  Cliff is like, you know what, man?
• 53:37
  It's. Like I'm not killing two kids.
• 53:39
  It's a. Fucking dog bro.
• 53:41
  It's. Just a dog and Lem goes.
• 53:43
  Remember how I said there were three experiments?
• 53:46
  There was GH3, Oxcom 7 and me. Yeah, I'm the perfect killer.
• 53:51
  I have no conscious. Boom, Michael Ironside.
• 53:55
  I make kids explode. Pow.
• 53:57
  Pow. Yep.
• 54:00
  Yeah, he kills him. He kills Cliff.
• 54:02
  Yeah. So Vanadine.
• 54:04
  Vanadine, right there. There it is in my notes.
• 54:08
  OK. So yeah, Travis blows up their
• 54:12
  truck. Yep.
• 54:13
  And he's like woo Hoo, except Lem had snuck from their truck
• 54:16
  over to Travis's. So he pops out and he attacks
• 54:21
  them and he stabs them, but then fur face jumps cuz fur face is
• 54:24
  like hell no. And he's trying to protect.
• 54:28
  And then Lem gets stabbed and shot.
• 54:31
  Like everybody just kind of takes their turn doing something
• 54:33
  to him because he's like really fucked them over.
• 54:35
  And he goes you guys don't stand a chance.
• 54:37
  And Nora and Tracy bring Travis back into the cabin, and they're
• 54:42
  going to try and tourniquet his wounds.
• 54:45
  And instead of using any of the supplies in this whole goddamn
• 54:48
  cabin, they're just ripping their own shirts.
• 54:51
  Yeah, there. There would have been supplies
• 54:53
  there. Like there is a panic here.
• 54:55
  In an empty cabin. As a panic moment.
• 54:58
  Well, as they're panicking, more panic because Oxcom shows up.
• 55:02
  Yep. And Travis bortles him and that
• 55:06
  fur face goes and fights him and gets thrown into a truck and
• 55:09
  that's scary. And so Travis shoots him and
• 55:11
  follows him into the woods and sees the ox con and he's like,
• 55:14
  OK, cool, he's dead. And he starts to walk away
• 55:16
  because we'd had this whole moment before where he said like
• 55:19
  he was where those parents, of course, because he wasn't a good
• 55:21
  hunter. Well, he, he starts doing his
• 55:22
  hunter. He, you know, he sees the
• 55:23
  footprints, he sees the boy trail.
• 55:25
  He's like, all right, I'm going to track it.
• 55:26
  So he tracks and he thinks he's dead, and he doesn't double.
• 55:29
  Tap No, he doesn't think it's dead.
• 55:30
  He's like sparing it because like it's like he's holding the
• 55:33
  gun to it's head and it's like giving him a sad look.
• 55:35
  It's like, it's like making like a whimper and he's like, you
• 55:38
  know what? I can't do it because that's
• 55:39
  what he said before. Like I can't kill.
• 55:42
  So he walks away and as he walks away, Oxcom takes that
• 55:45
  opportunity and starts fighting back.
• 55:48
  And then that time Travis is like, fuck it, I'm actually
• 55:50
  killing you this time and pow pow, get some.
• 55:53
  And then and he returns back and they said, OK, we gotta get fur
• 55:56
  face to the vet. Chris Roll just like, really
• 56:00
  fast. Yeah, you know what, I think if
• 56:04
  I was gonna change one thing with this movie, I would want a
• 56:06
  little bit more of like a wrap up heavily happily ever after
• 56:10
  moment. An epilogue.
• 56:10
  Yeah, give us like 3 months later or something.
• 56:12
  OK, yeah, like having like the fur face and the family, just
• 56:17
  like everybody's there. The mom has embraced the dog
• 56:19
  now. Yeah, I'm gonna keep it at a 6.5
• 56:21
  though. OK, I'm keeping that 7.5.
• 56:24
  I had a good time with this movie.
• 56:25
  I like it. All right so our ending averages
• 56:27
  to seven. OK what is a dream sequel Cuz
• 56:32
  there artifacts 4 watchers movies there are 4.
• 56:36
  Whoa, OK. Well Watchers, Watchers 2,
• 56:39
  Watchers 3, and I think the 4th 1 was like Watchers Reborn or
• 56:42
  something like that. Wow.
• 56:44
  Man, I don't know, I'll shoot like I I was shocked that there
• 56:47
  was a second. Yeah, you had a hard time
• 56:50
  reading the description of the movie because you said the re
• 56:52
  injured dog. Yeah, I don't want that to
• 56:55
  happen in my dream sequel. Don't want the dog to be re
• 56:59
  injured. I want.
• 57:01
  It I want it to be like the dog is going around.
• 57:06
  I'm sorry, no OK here. Saving the date.
• 57:09
  OK, the NSO finds Johnson's body and re augments him.
• 57:15
  He becomes like a Cyborg. Of some sort or something?
• 57:18
  More of a perfect killing machine and you know, he has
• 57:21
  more of a conscience like. Mercenary towel moment.
• 57:24
  Yeah, he's not. He doesn't have a conscience,
• 57:26
  obviously, but he's like more. He's more stable then the OXCOM
• 57:32
  was. So he ends up being their super
• 57:34
  weapon and maybe he goes rogue and like wants to get revenge on
• 57:39
  them. OK.
• 57:40
  Like he's like like avoiding their orders.
• 57:42
  He like snaps on them. He's like no, they want him to
• 57:45
  go attack Soviet Russia or whatever because of that shit.
• 57:49
  And he's like no, fuck that. I'm going after a doc.
• 57:52
  OK. Yeah.
• 57:53
  All right, who did you relate to?
• 57:58
  I related to Travis, obviously not because of the name, but
• 58:03
  because I also got in trouble in computer lab.
• 58:08
  It's because I was playing sound effects and songs out out from
• 58:11
  my computer to Disrupt class and I got in trouble.
• 58:15
  So instead of barking, I just started playing like random
• 58:17
  shit. OK, I I would get on Garage Band
• 58:20
  and play the the Rocky thing like I'd go.
• 58:28
  I probably related to fur face because I've definitely had a
• 58:31
  throw the dictionary down moment.
• 58:33
  You've done Scrabble. I've seen that many times with
• 58:35
  my family when we play Scrabble. But don't.
• 58:38
  Don't challenge me. Don't challenge me about a word
• 58:41
  in Scrabble. My dad will challenge you.
• 58:43
  My dad is good at Scrabble. Your dad will challenge and then
• 58:46
  if you show him like, see, this is a real word, he'll be like,
• 58:49
  Nah, just he's like, that's the Internet.
• 58:52
  Go get a hard copy of the dictionary.
• 58:54
  And that's good. Yeah, that's right.
• 58:58
  Alright, So that was Scout's favorite part.
• 59:04
  I think Scout's favorite part was when the building exploded
• 59:10
  at the very beginning, because that place was warm and the
• 59:14
  Oxcom is just sitting there in the heat and like, she would
• 59:17
  have been satisfied if like she's like, why did the monster
• 59:20
  leave? Like perfect conditions right
• 59:22
  there. No, obviously Scout's favorite
• 59:27
  part was Talia's existential crisis as we were watching this.
• 59:34
  Yeah, she's like, you guys are watching the movie.
• 59:36
  I'm watching Talia. Oh, man.
• 59:40
  Yeah, OK. I could see that.
• 59:42
  All right, what would Dom Toretto do?
• 59:48
  What would Dom Toretto do? First of all, what would Dom
• 59:54
  like? How would he feel about pets?
• 59:58
  Like obviously he would treat them as like part of the family,
• 1:00:01
  right? Yeah, he doesn't have a pet,
• 1:00:03
  which is kind of surprising. And like, I wouldn't want any of
• 1:00:06
  his pets to get into some of the dangerous hijinks, but I also
• 1:00:08
  feel like if he was going to have a pet like, it would be one
• 1:00:12
  that could keep up like her face.
• 1:00:13
  It'd be a dog. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:00:15
  And like, think about how much Talia like fucking love car
• 1:00:19
  rides. I don't know why, but I feel
• 1:00:21
  like Dom would have a chimpanzee.
• 1:00:25
  And the one from primate? Yeah, like, you know, because
• 1:00:28
  like, a chimpanzee is more capable of like, fucking shit.
• 1:00:31
  Yeah, it's kind of like the opposable thumbs and everything.
• 1:00:33
  Yeah. And it's like it's stronger than
• 1:00:35
  Dom, even though Dom doesn't want to admit that.
• 1:00:38
  So like, you know, like that they have like a like a
• 1:00:41
  competition like it, it pushes Dom.
• 1:00:44
  He's like, you know what, I'm going to be as strong as that,
• 1:00:46
  that thing one day. It would be like his 100 men
• 1:00:50
  versus an 8 moment. Exactly.
• 1:00:52
  He's like, I'm going to be, it's going to be one V1.
• 1:00:55
  V1 MU bro. Yeah, and he's going to.
• 1:00:58
  He would teach it to drive. Absolutely.
• 1:01:00
  And you know, like, I want this. I want this in the next Fast and
• 1:01:05
  Furious. I want one of like a chimpanzee
• 1:01:07
  to be like a monkey and just driving along with him.
• 1:01:11
  I don't know. That's the story.
• 1:01:13
  That's what he would do. If there was a monster chasing
• 1:01:16
  him, he would get a chimpanzee and he would teach it how to
• 1:01:19
  drive. OK.
• 1:01:21
  I don't even care how the story shakes out from that.
• 1:01:23
  That's just that's it. Figure it out.
• 1:01:27
  He's the one that dictates the stories anyways.
• 1:01:28
  You can't. You can't write a movie for Vin
• 1:01:31
  Diesel. Vin Diesel changes it however he
• 1:01:33
  wants it to be. OK.
• 1:01:36
  All right. I've got 2 reviews as I said
• 1:01:39
  before, and I chose them because they're completely different
• 1:01:43
  responses to either having read or not having read the book.
• 1:01:48
  So this one, this is a three out of 10.
• 1:01:53
  You read a fantastic book and fall in love with it.
• 1:01:55
  Later you get excited at the news that the book will be
• 1:01:57
  turned into a movie. You want to see the movie
• 1:01:59
  because it should be about the book.
• 1:02:01
  When you see the movie, you discover that once again a
• 1:02:03
  director or writer think that they are so much better than the
• 1:02:05
  author of the book and decide to change the story to make it
• 1:02:08
  better. Well hey morons, you can't make
• 1:02:11
  it better. We love the book the way the
• 1:02:13
  author wrote it. I understand the difficulty in
• 1:02:15
  fitting a book into a 2 hour window for film, but replacing
• 1:02:18
  one of the main characters is inexcusable, no matter how cute
• 1:02:21
  the kid is. This is why my folks get so
• 1:02:23
  pissed off when they see a movie based on a book they loved and
• 1:02:25
  watching disappointment as the story goes off the rails.
• 1:02:28
  I've learned to skip movies based on books I love.
• 1:02:30
  I don't want some dingbats vision in a movie to be to
• 1:02:33
  replace my memories of the book. Well, I mean, I understand where
• 1:02:37
  they're coming from, but I, I think this is like it's an
• 1:02:43
  adaptation versus reimagining. I so one of the things that has
• 1:02:49
  really helped me with some of these is watching videos on
• 1:02:55
  changes from book to movie and why they did it, because there
• 1:02:59
  are two different ways of telling a story.
• 1:03:01
  They're two different mediums, and you have to tell the stories
• 1:03:04
  differently. And that's kind of given me a
• 1:03:05
  new perspective on watching adaptations.
• 1:03:09
  And like I said this, for me, especially with books I really
• 1:03:12
  love, I need to have kind of a break between them.
• 1:03:15
  Yeah, and I think that this was a big enough break that I could
• 1:03:20
  really enjoy it. I also love the book Ruins, love
• 1:03:23
  the movie The Ruins. You know, it's part of it is you
• 1:03:27
  have to understand what are the important parts of the stories
• 1:03:32
  that they need to tell versus like what is something that's
• 1:03:35
  great for a book, but we can't necessarily waste resources on
• 1:03:38
  in a movie. Yeah, I can understand that,
• 1:03:41
  yeah. And that's, like I said, I think
• 1:03:42
  that's one of the reasons they aged down.
• 1:03:44
  Travis's character was so that way they could kind of cheat
• 1:03:48
  some of the moments that show how smart the dog is.
• 1:03:51
  Yeah. I mean, it makes sense.
• 1:03:52
  I can understand why they made some of the changes they did,
• 1:03:55
  like based off of the things that you've said, you know?
• 1:03:59
  But I, I can't, I'm not going to tell you you're wrong for being
• 1:04:02
  upset about why you don't like that for that reason.
• 1:04:05
  Like if it's so different from the book, I understand it 100%.
• 1:04:09
  That's right now in The Hunger Games subreddit, it's a lot of
• 1:04:12
  people talking about like the parts of the book that they
• 1:04:14
  absolutely need to see and sunrise on the roofing later
• 1:04:18
  this year. They're like, you cannot leave
• 1:04:20
  out this moment. It's important to this character
• 1:04:22
  because of XYZ. Well lucky for them Hunger Games
• 1:04:25
  movies are long as shit so yeah, a lot of time to tell the story.
• 1:04:29
  Speaking of long as shit, my positive review is also long as
• 1:04:32
  shit. But it was it.
• 1:04:34
  It put a lot of thought into it. OK, I'm also very glad that I'm
• 1:04:38
  not much of A reader. Quite often when I encounter a
• 1:04:40
  movie adaptation of a famous novel, there's always hundreds
• 1:04:42
  of people complaining about how awful the movie version was.
• 1:04:45
  Comparison to the book? Well, I've never and probably
• 1:04:48
  will never read the book, so at least I don't have to feel
• 1:04:50
  ashamed about tremendously liking the film.
• 1:04:52
  It's like, I don't know any better.
• 1:04:53
  You dig? This is also the case with
• 1:04:55
  Watchers. For example, allegedly the Dean
• 1:04:57
  Koontz novel differs enormously from the 80s horror film
• 1:05:00
  version, with characters and storylines altered left and
• 1:05:02
  right in favor to appeal to more contemporary horror loving
• 1:05:05
  audiences. Travis, the lead character, is
• 1:05:07
  originally a 40 year old social outcast in the book, whereas
• 1:05:09
  he's appointed 16 year old rebel kid in the film, portrayed by
• 1:05:12
  Corey Haim, who was quite big at the time thanks to the success
• 1:05:14
  of The Lost Boys, Lucas and Silver Bullet.
• 1:05:16
  What's that? That's the 80s horror film
• 1:05:19
  industry for you? Can you blame them?
• 1:05:21
  Either way, Watchers is a shamelessly entertaining and
• 1:05:24
  virulent virulent late 80s creature feature with pleasingly
• 1:05:28
  high body count, gruesome special effects and
• 1:05:30
  irresistible, charming 80s setting and ambience, cool
• 1:05:33
  acting performances and one of the best use of an intelligent
• 1:05:36
  dog and film ever. Travis Cornell lives with his
• 1:05:39
  yummy mother nearby a research facility where the government,
• 1:05:42
  in all secrecy of course, works on the ultimate warfare weapon.
• 1:05:46
  The weapon itself is a giant and nearly indestructible Bigfoot
• 1:05:49
  creature, but the breakthrough is that it is pathically linked
• 1:05:52
  to an intelligent dog. The monster's programmed to
• 1:05:55
  track the animal down and kill everything in its path.
• 1:05:57
  In between, the dog and the monster escape from the lab just
• 1:06:00
  before there's an explosion. The dog hitches a ride in
• 1:06:02
  Travis's truck, and he decides to keep the animal when he
• 1:06:04
  notices abnormally high intellect.
• 1:06:06
  The dog can type warnings on a computer and compose messages
• 1:06:09
  via a game of Scrabble, for crying out loud.
• 1:06:11
  Meanwhile, the Oxcob monster leaves a trail blood of mayhem
• 1:06:15
  through the area. And if that isn't worse enough
• 1:06:17
  yet, there's also the relentless government agent Michael
• 1:06:19
  Ironside. He's after Travis and his dog
• 1:06:22
  too. This is just a summary of the
• 1:06:25
  movie. Here it is cover up the
• 1:06:27
  failures. Watcher is a fast-paced and
• 1:06:29
  exciting with massacres that are delightfully gruesome.
• 1:06:31
  The Oxcom monster has the nasty habit of removing people's
• 1:06:34
  eyeballs which leads to a handful of grizzly images and
• 1:06:37
  eerie makeup effects. The acting performances are
• 1:06:39
  great. Barbara Williams is excellent as
• 1:06:41
  Travis's caring mother and Michael Ironstein behaves
• 1:06:44
  psychopath. I think a nightmare ish.
• 1:06:45
  As always, Corihan uses his typical rebellious 80s teenager
• 1:06:49
  charisma to maximum results in the dog fur face is genius.
• 1:06:53
  Oh Watchers also provides the opportunity to admire hunky boy
• 1:06:56
  Jason Priestley and watch him get slaughtered slaughtered by
• 1:06:58
  Bigfoot. But before he can become world
• 1:07:01
  famous is Brandon Walsh in Beverly Hills 9-O21-O.
• 1:07:03
  Splendid 80s nostalgia. Sorry, I screen captured that
• 1:07:08
  last night and I didn't cut out the the recap part That's OK.
• 1:07:13
  I, I absolutely agree with that. As somebody who came into this
• 1:07:16
  without reading the book, you know, I have nothing bogging me
• 1:07:19
  down from any of the, the knowings of what was supposed to
• 1:07:23
  go down. So I think that's probably why I
• 1:07:26
  might be coming into this higher than you.
• 1:07:28
  Also, as like I, it does have the 80s charm to it.
• 1:07:32
  I love the cast. Everybody does an amazing job.
• 1:07:35
  And I agree, like the kills and some of the effects that we do
• 1:07:38
  get solid. Like it's just like a it's just
• 1:07:42
  one of those movies that works for me, you know, like those are
• 1:07:44
  all those are the boxes for me right there.
• 1:07:47
  Like fun casts, 80s special effects, cool monster.
• 1:07:52
  He's doing little check marks in.
• 1:07:53
  The cool checks. Yeah.
• 1:07:54
  Like so you all know. Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  Like that. That's it.
• 1:07:57
  That's a recipe for a movie that I would enjoy.
• 1:08:01
  Yeah, I think overall this is a pretty enjoyable movie.
• 1:08:04
  I think the book is better just because we get more of the dog.
• 1:08:08
  Yeah, the dog is fantastic in this movie.
• 1:08:11
  So I guess now it's time for the titular question to.
• 1:08:16
  Be or not to be, obviously, yeah yeah, like check it out because
• 1:08:20
  it's a good movie. Like, I don't know if you have
• 1:08:24
  read the book and Rs tied to it, like if you remember every
• 1:08:28
  little detail of it, you know, I don't know, maybe I mean still
• 1:08:31
  watch it. Like I am interested in books
• 1:08:35
  that I have read watching the movie adaptations because I'm
• 1:08:38
  always curious to know how those turn out.
• 1:08:40
  Sometimes they're amazing, sometimes they don't work as
• 1:08:42
  well. And you know, I've not read like
• 1:08:44
  a shit ton of books, but like. Definitely this one works if you
• 1:08:46
  go into it thinking of it as like, I think so too, cuz I mean
• 1:08:50
  it sounds like that's what they. Did they took components of the
• 1:08:53
  book? And I'm like, all right, let's
• 1:08:54
  tell a different story, but the same spirit.
• 1:08:57
  Yeah. And just like, took certain
• 1:09:00
  moments from the book and I'm like, all right, let's just
• 1:09:02
  throw that in there because that was really cool.
• 1:09:06
  Yeah. So cool.
• 1:09:07
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• 1:09:08
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• 1:09:12
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• 1:09:15
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