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Tales From The Rock And Roll Twilight Zone From Richard Syrett · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 2: Oh well, I don't profess to have a monopoly on
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  Speaker 2: the truth. These are all just you know, series and
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  Speaker 2: worthy of certainly with the Kirk Cobain case, which I
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  Speaker 2: think you want to discuss. There's a lot on the
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  Speaker 2: table there there that I think there was a rush
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  Speaker 2: to judgment, let's put it that way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it sure was. And see, I was that jock
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  Speaker 1: that was doing afternoon drive on Nightty Fightable que here
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  Speaker 1: in Charlotte. When word came that we lost Kurt Cobain,
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  Speaker 1: we shut the radio station off with all music and
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  Speaker 1: went all out talk with our listeners. This was something
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  Speaker 1: that I had never experienced in my radio career where
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  Speaker 1: we just shut down for the listener and it was
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  Speaker 1: no longer about programming. It was huge news.
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  Speaker 2: Oh well, I have to I have to confess I
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  Speaker 2: was not a huge Nirvana fan, right, I certainly recognized
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  Speaker 2: his artistic contributions, and that the fact you know that
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  Speaker 2: he was. He hated this, by the way, but he
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  Speaker 2: was a voice of the generation. He absolutely detested being
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  Speaker 2: called the voice of a generation, but let's face it,
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  Speaker 2: he was, and so to that you know particular cohort
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  Speaker 2: he was. See, for me, it was John Lennon's assassination.
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  Speaker 2: For someone else, it might have been for someone a
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  Speaker 2: generation before. It was Jimi Hendricks or Jim Morrison or
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  Speaker 2: Janis Choplin, so he was that was a that was
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  Speaker 2: a pivotal cultural moment for you know, for for many
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  Speaker 2: many people.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you bring up John Lennon to this very second,
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  Speaker 1: and I see, I didn't get into the Beatles because
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  Speaker 1: I was much, much, much too young for the Beatles.
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  Speaker 1: But as the solo performers, someone like Lennon is still
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  Speaker 1: a major part of my celebration of life and then
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  Speaker 1: to be and I've had the opportunity to be with
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  Speaker 1: Julian as well as Yoko and and and and it
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  Speaker 1: just makes it even more special because it was a
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  Speaker 1: moment that a lot of people just kind of right
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  Speaker 1: off and they can't do that.
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  Speaker 2: It's It's true, I was really too young to appreciate
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  Speaker 2: the Beatles until I was pretty late to the dance,
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  Speaker 2: I guess. I bought my first Beatles album in nineteen
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  Speaker 2: seventy nine and was, like many people, hoping and fantasizing
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  Speaker 2: about a Beatles reunion. And that's why Lennon's death stung
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  Speaker 2: so much. It was like a punch of the stomach
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  Speaker 2: because you know, obviously the primary concern is here is
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  Speaker 2: that a man you know died and his wife was
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  Speaker 2: left a widow and his child was left orphan. But
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  Speaker 2: for many of us it was we felt cheated because
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  Speaker 2: of what could have what could have been.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well I feel the same way. I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: know the subject was on Kurt Cobin there for a second,
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  Speaker 1: and I'd love to return to that because it's the
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  Speaker 1: same thing. We felt cheated because we were in the
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  Speaker 1: midst of this thing that was happening with Nirvana. Like
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  Speaker 1: them or not, they were still they still took us
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  Speaker 1: out of that Michael Bolton Rod Stewart generation of sound,
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  Speaker 1: and it was doing something that we weren't used to
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  Speaker 1: and in that particular generation.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, I mean he certainly sort of redefined
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  Speaker 2: the musical landscape when they first came on the scene
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  Speaker 2: with their first album Bleach I think it was called,
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  Speaker 2: and launched the whole sort of grunge rock phenom as
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  Speaker 2: it were. And as you say, up until that time,
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  Speaker 2: there was a lot of I guess what became known
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  Speaker 2: as yacht rock. It was kind of soft rock. And
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, he certainly was a breadth of fresh air,
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  Speaker 2: to be sure. And the Kurt Cobain case is chapter
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  Speaker 2: twelve in a section of the book Tales from the
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  Speaker 2: Rock and Roll Twilight Zone that deals with possible murder
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  Speaker 2: that the section is called Killer Chords Killer, And we
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  Speaker 2: talked about Kurt Cobaine Elvis Presley. Surprise, surprise, Elvis didn't
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  Speaker 2: fake his death. He may in fact have been murdered
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  Speaker 2: in his bathroom in the second floor of Graceland. We
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  Speaker 2: also talk about Brian Jones, who is the official cause
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  Speaker 2: of death for Jones in July of nineteen sixty nine
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  Speaker 2: was misadventure drowned, found at the bottom of his swimming
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  Speaker 2: pool in Cotchford Farm where he had retreated and then
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  Speaker 2: was unceremoniously kicked out of the Rolling Stones. There's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of evidence there to suggest that foul play may
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  Speaker 2: have been involved. And then let's see, Oh, Jimmy Hendricks.
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  Speaker 2: Of course I talked about Jimmy Hendricks in the book
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  Speaker 2: as well, officially aspirated on his own vomit after taking
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  Speaker 2: an overdose of barbituits and red wine. Again, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of evidence to suggest that that wine in fact was
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  Speaker 2: poor down Jimmy Hendrix's throat while he was being subdued.
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  Speaker 2: And people can find out that all the details in
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  Speaker 2: the book as well.
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  Speaker 1: See how do you have the courage? To step into
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  Speaker 1: these dark moments in music history as well as entertainment history,
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  Speaker 1: because first of all, until I read your book, I
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  Speaker 1: did not know this about Elvis Presley, because in reality,
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  Speaker 1: we're talking about the king of rock and roll, and
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  Speaker 1: it almost became the hidden joke of oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: he died in the bathroom, blah blah blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 1: But now you've put an interesting twist and spin on it.
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  Speaker 1: It's where it's like, wait a second, maybe we got
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  Speaker 1: it wrong, and the National Inquirer just should just stay
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  Speaker 1: in their own corner.
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  Speaker 2: Well, it's true. He did become, unfortunately, kind of a caricature,
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  Speaker 2: a cartoon character after his death, and people were focusing
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  Speaker 2: on sort of the Las Vegas Elvis when he was
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  Speaker 2: sadly a little overweight, not in the greatest of shape.
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  Speaker 2: And then of course it became Elvis faked his death
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  Speaker 2: to get away from from his from celebrity, and oh
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  Speaker 2: I saw Elvis flipping burgers at a burger king in Kalamazoo, Michigan.
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  Speaker 2: And what gets lost in that, of course, was you know,
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  Speaker 2: he was a man who straddled the twentieth century like
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  Speaker 2: a colossus, arguably one of the greatest interpreters of song ever.
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  Speaker 2: Didn't write it, didn't write his own songs, of course,
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  Speaker 2: but that voice, that operatic voice, and I mean, I
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  Speaker 2: don't it wasn't my courage. Really, I mean, I'm I'm
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  Speaker 2: leaning heavily on what was that line? If I've seen further,
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  Speaker 2: it's because I have stood on the shoulders of giants.
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  Speaker 2: I'm I'm leaning on great authors, investigators like Steve Eughbaney.
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  Speaker 2: Steve Eubaney wrote a series of books called Who Murdered
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  Speaker 2: question Mark. The first one was I Believe Who Murdered
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  Speaker 2: Princess Diana? Who Murdered? Who murdered Franklin delan and Roosevelt?
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  Speaker 2: And then the book that I interviewed him about this book,
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  Speaker 2: it was HU Murdered Elvis Presley. So Steve eu Baney
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  Speaker 2: did a lot of the legwork. I should point out
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  Speaker 2: the book was My book Tales from the Rock and
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  Speaker 2: Roll Twilight Zone is based on a podcast I did
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  Speaker 2: called The rock and Roll Twilight Zone, in which in
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  Speaker 2: which in which I interviewed you know a lot of
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  Speaker 2: great researchers like Steve u Baney, British journalists by the
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  Speaker 2: name of Dave Gardner, Stage Steve U. Baney Uh interviewed
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  Speaker 2: Dan Warlick, who worked with the Memphis Medical Examiner's Office,
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  Speaker 2: And it was Dan Warlick who arrived at Graceland to
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  Speaker 2: find the bedroom, Elvis's bedroom and bathroom basically sanitized. The
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  Speaker 2: bed had been made uh, a lot of a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things have been cleared out of the bathroom, and
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  Speaker 2: this was probably due to you know, Elvis's entourage at
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  Speaker 2: the Memphis Mafia as they were known, possibly just trying
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  Speaker 2: to preserve Elvis' legacy. They hit a lot of pills
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  Speaker 2: and things like that, but there may have also been
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  Speaker 2: some skullduggery there as well. And we get into the
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  Speaker 2: book the timeline of Elvis' final hours and also his Bengali,
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  Speaker 2: if you will. Colonel Tom Parker, who controlled Elvis to
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  Speaker 2: such an extent, basically just pushed Elvis with constant touring
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  Speaker 2: almost to the edge of well not almost to the
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  Speaker 2: edge of physical exhaustion and illness. Colonel Tom Parker would
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  Speaker 2: have Elvis forcibly dragged out of his bed and pushed
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  Speaker 2: onto the stage even when he was very very gravely
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  Speaker 2: ill from exhaustion again, and he just Tom Parker figured
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  Speaker 2: out at a certain point without giving too much away
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  Speaker 2: in the book, but he figured out at a certain
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  Speaker 2: point that Elvis was worth more dead than alive.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, I've heard that story so many times,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm believing it through you because you just set
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  Speaker 1: me up in a way of going. Of course, that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly how the dominoes were going to fall. But the
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  Speaker 1: thing is that that really gets me is that why
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  Speaker 1: is it that drugs and somebody on the side is
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  Speaker 1: the always the one that never really gets to the
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  Speaker 1: blame him. Even with Michael Jackson, he was getting ready
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  Speaker 1: for that big, gigantic tour, he was going to be
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  Speaker 1: at the U two, and they pushed him and pushed
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  Speaker 1: him and pushed him. At least his doctor went to jail,
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  Speaker 1: did he not. I mean, is there anybody going to
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  Speaker 1: go to jail for Kurt Cobain or Elvis Presley?
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  Speaker 2: Well, with Presley, a lot of speculation was that doctor Nicopolis,
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  Speaker 2: who was his physician, was responsible. But in the book,
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  Speaker 2: and this is chapter eleven entiales from the Rock and
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  Speaker 2: Roll Twilight song, it's we discovered that doctor Nicopolis maybe
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  Speaker 2: is not the villain that he's been portrayed, and that
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  Speaker 2: Elvis is not again some you know, hopeless pill popping,
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  Speaker 2: drug addict. Yes, Elvis had some medical issues. He had glaucoma,
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  Speaker 2: he had some stomach problems, and he was he was
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  Speaker 2: a classic insomniac. His night and day were totally inverted.
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  Speaker 2: He stayed up to all hours. But he also had
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  Speaker 2: an encyclopedic knowledge of pharmaceuticals. And one of the things
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  Speaker 2: that comes up in the book, and this is crucial,
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  Speaker 2: Elvis knew everybody around Elvis knew Doctor Nick certainly knew
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  Speaker 2: Elvis had a severe allergic reaction to codeine. Elvis would
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  Speaker 2: never take codeine. He would never go anywhere near codeine.
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  Speaker 2: If he did, his larynx would swell, he wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: able to perform. And yet there were three toxicology reports issued.
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  Speaker 2: The first two found their therapeutic levels of certain drugs.
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  Speaker 2: That's all, therapeutic, not lethal doses. Therapeutic levels of drugs,
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  Speaker 2: or in some cases only trace levels of prescription drugs. Now. Strangely,
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  Speaker 2: the third forensic or toxicology study was really an outlier.
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  Speaker 2: It found lethal doses of codeine OOH in Elvis Presley.
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  Speaker 2: Elvis Presley never took codeine. There was no codine in
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  Speaker 2: Elvis's blood. That forensic report that came out of California,
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  Speaker 2: I would argue was fabricated and manipulated to paint this
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  Speaker 2: narrative that Elvis died from a drug overdose.
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  Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Rick Serret coming
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  Speaker 1: up next. The name of the book Tales from the
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  Speaker 1: Rock and Roll Twilight Zone. We are back with rock
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  Speaker 1: historian Richard Sarret. So what do we do in situations
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  Speaker 1: like this, because I mean, you're diving into areas that
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  Speaker 1: we would all like to and I realize you're doing
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  Speaker 1: your research and this is coming from your podcast. But
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  Speaker 1: when you've got somebody like Chris Cornell or you've got
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  Speaker 1: somebody like Prince, we all sit out here and assume,
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  Speaker 1: and then when you come around, it's like, thank God
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  Speaker 1: that that that you were able to really bring this
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  Speaker 1: up and get that conversation growing again.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't get into Prince or Chris Cornell. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: there'll be a volume two. They're just getting started. Dude.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but you're you no, no, no, this is
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  Speaker 1: your new path because you're doing it right that I
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  Speaker 1: knew that from the second I started this book that
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  Speaker 1: this was going to be the beginning.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that, thank you. So you know, what
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  Speaker 2: do we do with this information? Was that the question?
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  Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, because.
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  Speaker 1: Because I mean, we're so lost into what we assume
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  Speaker 1: our own interpretation that we're spreading fake news out here
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  Speaker 1: about these rock stars and what they personally go through.
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  Speaker 1: And so when I see in Elvis Presley or even
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  Speaker 1: like a Kurt Cobain, I mean, I have to believe
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  Speaker 1: what I what I saw on the paper. But now
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  Speaker 1: it's like you're readjusting my way of thinking. And now
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  Speaker 1: it's like, well, that's that's a better answer. Why didn't
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  Speaker 1: we have that before?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well I think you know this this book and
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  Speaker 2: if we can look at Rock and Roll as just
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  Speaker 2: one example of many in which are in which our
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  Speaker 2: perceptions are are the narrative is is manufactured for us
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  Speaker 2: and then spoon fed us. This is what we're supposed
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  Speaker 2: to believe that this is It's like the Overton window.
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  Speaker 2: This is the accept These are the acceptable parameters of
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  Speaker 2: what we can talk about and when we can talk
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  Speaker 2: about it. And these are the experts and only these
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  Speaker 2: experts that you can you can discuss these things with,
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  Speaker 2: but not these experts over here and not these researchers. So,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we've we've gone through this so many times
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  Speaker 2: in modern history, whether we're talking about JFK R f K,
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  Speaker 2: M l K, Watergate, nine to eleven, COVID, you name it,
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  Speaker 2: it's the it's the con the construction or pre construction
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  Speaker 2: of our reality for us, or the official narrative. And
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  Speaker 2: so I hope people will will walk away from tales
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  Speaker 2: from the rock and roll twilight Zone, not just asking
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  Speaker 2: these questions about Jimmy Hendricks and Brian Jones and Kurt Cobain,
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  Speaker 2: but about everything about everything how our narrative and our
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  Speaker 2: reality is shaped for us.
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  Speaker 1: That is so interesting that you bring that up, because
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  Speaker 1: oh my god, I've done so much research on that,
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  Speaker 1: about how we are carrying information that was shaped by
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  Speaker 1: other people and so and that's why we need someone
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  Speaker 1: like you to set us straight and say, let's go
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  Speaker 1: back and look at that evidence, because the majority of
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  Speaker 1: us will not go back and look at it. But
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  Speaker 1: you did that, and then now we're sitting here going now,
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  Speaker 1: like you said, the narrative has changed.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I felt I had to do that because a
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  Speaker 2: lot of this music was I know, it's a cliche
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  Speaker 2: to say, but cliches are cliches for a reason, because
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  Speaker 2: there's truth there. This music was the soundtrack of my life.
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  Speaker 2: I was that kid hanging out in my parents' paneled
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  Speaker 2: rec room with the High five and spinning vinyl like
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  Speaker 2: all day and all weekend and all my you know,
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  Speaker 2: my money from my part time job was spent at
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  Speaker 2: Records on wheels, you know, buying all of the Doors
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  Speaker 2: albums and all of the Stones albums. And so I felt.
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  Speaker 2: And then even then I had sort of questions. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't have the answers. I didn't even I had sort
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  Speaker 2: of questions. I didn't know what the actual questions were.
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  Speaker 2: I just I had nagging feelings about, you know, whether
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  Speaker 2: it was again Jimi Hendrix, the way he checked out,
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  Speaker 2: or the way that Elvis checked out, or Brian Jones
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  Speaker 2: or you know, what was Beatlemania really all about. Was
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  Speaker 2: that just some spontaneous organic happening or was there a
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  Speaker 2: degree of you know, was that engineered as well? And
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  Speaker 2: I get into that. The section, the first section of
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  Speaker 2: Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone, it's all
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  Speaker 2: about the Beatles. It's called the Beatles Enigma. Yes, I
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  Speaker 2: get into the whole Paul is Dead legend, the depth
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  Speaker 2: the death and the foreshadowing in John Lenning's lyrics and
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  Speaker 2: his death. But also the first chapter is about the
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  Speaker 2: Beatles coming ashore as part of the British invasion, and
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  Speaker 2: I get into whether or not that British invasion was
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  Speaker 2: more than just a pop culture event. It was in
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  Speaker 2: fact a British invasion involving the Tavistock Institute and m
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  Speaker 2: I six and the British Crown trying to weaponize popular culture,
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  Speaker 2: in this case the Beatles.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yeah, come on. As the researcher, how
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  Speaker 1: do you deal with that? Do you sit back and
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  Speaker 1: you start chewing on your pan a little bit harder? Going,
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  Speaker 1: I my god, what have I just stepped into here?
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  Speaker 2: Well? I've worked almost my entire adult life in this arena,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's rock and roll, whether it's UFOs, the paranormal,
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  Speaker 2: via cult, so you know, I've become acclimatized to it.
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  Speaker 2: This is this is what I do for a living.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess it's like a radio person, because
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, that's one of the things when
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  Speaker 1: people ask me to go. So when you're forty six
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  Speaker 1: years of radio, what are some of your darkest times.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, it's when I've been on the air
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  Speaker 1: and I get news of someone transitioning, such as a
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  Speaker 1: John Belushi or even a Michael Jackson, a John Candy.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know why the lords of radio put me
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  Speaker 1: in a position to where every time somebody famous dies,
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  Speaker 1: I'm the one that's on the air. I don't get that.
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  Speaker 1: And it seems like you're stepping in that same pile,
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  Speaker 1: I guess, so.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, pile maybe the uperative word that it is a
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  Speaker 2: pile sometimes you have to be or a landmine if
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  Speaker 2: you will. Yeah, you know, if you're in that in
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  Speaker 2: that chair in front of a microphone long enough and
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  Speaker 2: you've been on the air for forty six years, you
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  Speaker 2: know people are going to look to you. You're on
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  Speaker 2: you know, you're on the you're on watch, and so
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  Speaker 2: these things are going to happen on your watch. And yeah,
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  Speaker 2: people look to you to to sort of express this
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  Speaker 2: common the common grief, the common disbelief, the common you know, shock,
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  Speaker 2: all of those emotions.
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  Speaker 1: So then when when you put together a book like this,
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  Speaker 1: and and first of all, I'm very proud of you
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  Speaker 1: that you that you grew this from your podcast because
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of people think that podcasting came from the
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: comedians and the musicians, and that's absolutely false. It came
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: from the writers. And that's what I love is the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: fact that you have put this book out because you
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: are living in the tradition of what podcasting is all about.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: It's about sharing the word, and it's also about sharing
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: books and ideas and investigations and things. And that's what
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I love about this. It's almost like a true crime novel,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: is what you've got here, because you're diving into the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: true crime here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that. Thank you. It's very very kind
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  Speaker 2: of you to say. Yeah. I mean the section on
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  Speaker 2: section three, which is called killer Chords, I guess you
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: could call that all true crime. But there's also there's
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: also a section on after death communication. There's a section
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: on cursed chords section two, which is about all these
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: legends of curses and omens, which is another sort of
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: very rich vein to be mined in rock lore. You know,
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: the foreshadowing in Leonard Skynyrd's music before that horrific plane
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: crash in nineteen seventy seven. It begins really with Robert
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: Johnson and his alleged deal with the Devil at the Crossroads.
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  Speaker 2: Back in the nineteen thirties in CLARKSDWN, Mississippi, the section
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  Speaker 2: on after death communication with Oh my gosh, Johnny Horton,
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: you know North to North to Alaska. Yeah, he made
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: there's a Yeah, it's an incredible story where he made
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: a pact with his friend Merle Kilgore, who was a
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: great music writer, wrote or co wrote a number of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: songs with June Carter Cash and Johnny Cash. They made
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: a pack that if one of them should die, they
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: would try to communicate with the other somehow after death,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: much in the same way that Harry Houdini supposedly made
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: a pack with his wife after his But people can
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: read this chapter in the book that the chapter is
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: called the Drummer is a rummer, that's the code, and
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: so they can find out about Johnny Worton's successful supposedly,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: perhaps allegedly his after death communication with his friend Marl Kilgore,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: which actually what happened. It happened during a rain delay
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: at a baseball game with the Cincinnati Reds, I think
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: around nineteen sixty five sixty six. In there somewhere, it's
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: an amazing, mind bending tale.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: It's almost like you're giving us a story after the story.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: It's almost like the days of Paul Harvey. And I
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: don't know if you're old enough to remember Paul Harvey,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: but he would always say and that's the rest of
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: the story. And that, to me is where you're fitting
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: in with this book, is that you're giving us more
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: to the story.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I appreciate that. I do remember Paul Harvey. A
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: number of radio stations that I worked with over the
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: years would carry Paul Harvey his little interest, I guess
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: is what we used to call them. But yeah, the
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: rest of the story. I think that's an apt description.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: And that is really the case in so many like
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: I was talking about earlier, we have the official narrative,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: and then we move on to something else. Well, not
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: so fast. I guess. I've never been content to just
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: move on to the next thing. It's like, well, wait
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: a minute, let's just let this marinate for a moment,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and let's let's try and figure out what really happened.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: And I don't care if it happened ten years ago
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: or twenty years ago or sixty years ago. You know,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: we must pursue the truth. Yeah, and I'll follow it wherever,
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: you know, wherever it takes me. And I might be wrong,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: and if I'm wrong, I don't you know, I'll say
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I'm wrong and I'll move on, you know, and try
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: to do better the next time. But the pursuit of
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: truth needs no apology. Yep.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you being that former radio person and probably still
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: because I even if you're podcasting, you're still a radio
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: person to be, You're still a broadcaster. I'm not. I'm
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: not going to fall into that pit where we where
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: we we fell out of broadcasting. The fact of the
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: matter is is that you took the chance to share
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: the story. Were you that jock on the air or
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: that radio person where program director said, I like what
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: you're doing, but we've got to pull you back. It
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: just seems like that you've got that that desire and
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: that need to always share the story. Where did that
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: come from? And how did you protect that in your
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: radio years?
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: I was never I was never hauled into a dark boardroom,
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: you know, like that scene from the movie Network, which
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: is my all time favorite movie, and the net Beaty
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: character tells the main protagonist, you know you have you
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: have meddled with the primal order of nature. That never
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: happened to me. But what happens is you get kind
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: of exiled to late night overnight airship. And so I
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: worked my entire career in like night. But I actually
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: did me a favor because late night audiences are the greatest.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: You have their undivided, undivided attention. It's not like you know,
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: afternoon to drive home, where you're on the car radio
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: and you're competing with four other passengers in the car, uh,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: you know, to be heard. It's you had their undivided
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: attention late at night. And I just I love late
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: night radio audiences.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: So they were always so loyal, never been a problem.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: They were always so loyal. And what I loved about
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: it is is that if you got a restaurant that
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: was listening to you on the overnights, that usually meant
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you were getting free food because they would drop it by.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: They loved you so much because you spoke their street.
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: They you could talk about things that they wanted to
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: talk about. That's what I'd love, And to me, that
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: was the very first social media is that late night jock.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: I thought I was the only one that got meals
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: delivered to me. I was just I was thinking about
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: maryon Bastion just the other day. She was just she's
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: long gone, I'm sure. But in my early days producing,
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: I was producing talk radio, and like two o'clock in
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the morning, she would jump in a cab and she
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: would deliver to me and the host like a roast
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: beef dinner. She'd get up late at night and she
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: would cook us an entire meal and deliver it to us.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: So she was such a sweet lady.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my god, I could talk radio and music
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: with you all the time. Where can people go to
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: find out more about your Richard? I mean, you have
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: got so much passion and drive and the willingness to
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: share the story and create the conversation. This cannot go unspoken.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, I appreciate that you're very generous. A Strange Planet
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: dot Ca is the website. The podcast Richard Sarah's Strange
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: Planet drops every Monday, Wednesday and Friday. While they're at
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Strange Planet dot Ca, they can subscribe to the podcast.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: It's available everywhere. There's also a free monthly newsletter called
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Inner Sanctum. I'm also a regular guest host on Coast
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: to Coast AM.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: Yes you are.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: They can hear me there My dates on hoster at
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: the website as well Strange planet dot Ca. The book
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: Tales from the Rock and Roll Twilight Zone comes out
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: July ninth, available for pre order right now.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: Wow, you've got to come back to this show anytime
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: in the future. In fact, I mean either before you
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: release it on July ninth or afterwards. We've got to
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: do a follow up because I want to know what
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: people are going to be saying about this, and because
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: they're going to be reaching out to you, and you're
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: going to be inundated with all of these dang emails
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: and things where people are going to say, tell me more,
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: tell me more, tell me more. Come on, tell me.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: More anytime you just I'm a phone call away.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: Excellent. Will you be brilliant today?
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, sir, Thank you. The same to you.