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The Why Not Today? Podcast - Season 3 - Episode 37, Marissa Levin, Marissa International · Why Not Today? with Leslie Kane

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Welcome to the Why Not Today podcast where we celebrate courage, determination, and the
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power of saying why not today.
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I'm your host Leslie Cain.
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In each episode, we dive into inspiring stories of individuals who have taken bold steps,
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faced their fears, and embraced the possibilities of today.
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From entrepreneurs to artists, dreamers to doers, we explore the moments when we say
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enough waiting, why not today?
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Find me as we uncover the heartwarming, the audacious, and the transformative, whether
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it's pursuing a lifelong passion, overcoming obstacles, simply choosing joy.
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Our guests share their journeys and inspire us all.
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I started this podcast in honor of my father, Patrick Cain, who often said why not today.
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And remember, you're just one decision away from changing your life.
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And my guest today is one of those perfect examples.
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They say the Kevin Bacon game is seven degrees of separation, but I think we're like a couple
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degrees of separation from all different angles.
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I feel like your world is kind of circling mine and all the connections.
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And so my friend Jamie is like, oh, you have to meet Marissa.
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And Jamie is another interesting story, which I think I share on another podcast of how
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we make we connected, which was just like a random set of things that had to happen.
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And she's like, you need to meet my friend Marissa.
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And then when I looked on Facebook and all the connections from all the different places
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in my world and just so many people know you, love you, and I'm excited to know you too
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and have you as a friend.
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So welcome.
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Thank you.
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Why not today podcast?
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So Marissa, share with us a little quick bio of you and a fun fact that somebody might
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not know.
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Oh, so I'm in my 57th year, 57th time around the sun.
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So that's exciting.
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I have two amazing sons who are my greatest teachers, 24 and 27.
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And my oldest son is engaged to an amazing young woman.
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So very excited about that.
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I'm a 30 plus year entrepreneur.
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I've had I'm building my fourth and my fifth business right now.
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So I've had multiple exits.
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I've built multi-million dollar businesses and, you know, basically my whole entrepreneurial
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journey.
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Leslie really has kind of been my vehicle for my own spiritual awakening and my soul's
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development.
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That's kind of how I see it.
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So I always tell you about that with your courage journey.
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And I love you.
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I'm unemployed.
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I mean, I'm unemployable, right?
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Because I'm just in constant evolution and I'm constantly in creation.
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And that's just how I'm meant to flow through the world.
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Yeah, love it.
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So I mentioned earlier that I connected with Elaine Gibson yesterday that knows you well.
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I love her.
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And she asked me what my archetype was.
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And I'm like, I don't know what that is.
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Have you done your archetype?
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It's so funny you mentioned that.
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So I am very familiar with archetypes, but it may be different than what Elaine was talking
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about.
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One of my most important spiritual teachers and mentors is a woman named Dr. Carolyn Miss.
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And she is a medical intuitive.
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She talks about four primary universal archetypes that we all have.
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Those are the child, the victim, the saboteur, and the prostitute.
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Those are the universal archetypes that exist in all of us.
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And then there are thousands of other individual archetypes.
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So I don't think Elaine was probably talking about that, but I'm
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She was talking about a different one.
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And this person out of the UK sent me the link and maybe I'll share it in the show notes
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just because it was so interesting.
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And you do this quick test and it talks about who you are.
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And I'm like, all right, they know exactly.
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It knew like I'm a creator and I'm creative and innovative and get bored easily.
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And what the new thing and there's many tests out there.
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I'm certified in the Enneagram, which I've done that before.
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The most deep, most of the deep rooted and most accurate tests.
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And then there are also tests around human design and gene keys, which kind of get into
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our genetic coding and our DNA, which I love.
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I mean, we could do a whole show on that.
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But there are so many different tests out there.
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So kind of boost our own self-awareness and have a better understanding of how we move
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through the world.
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Yeah, it was so cool.
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I've never heard of that one.
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I mean, I've done on Enneagram and I'm a strength finder and obviously Disk and Myers-Briggs
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and recently the Positive Intelligence.
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Yeah, I'm trained in Positive Intelligence.
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Are you?
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Okay.
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Yeah, I went through that program.
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So all the different things, but it's really cool to just, they're so on, you know, how
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they can figure out who you are.
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All right, so back to courage.
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What does courage mean to you?
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So you know, I've been thinking a lot about this question and I actually found something
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yesterday and I follow a poet on Instagram and something that she posted really resonated
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with me.
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So I'm going to read it to you because to me, this is kind of the definition of courage.
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When you wrap your arms around your own soul, you become a wildflower in the world of concrete
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where you bloom not for others, but for yourself.
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So for me, the definition of courage is truly having enough self-love to honor your soul,
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to honor who you are, to make decisions that are in alignment with your highest self regardless
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of what other people are expecting from you.
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That really is kind of the definition of courage is wrapping your arms around your own soul.
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Love that.
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Interesting.
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I think everybody has a different take on it and it all is so complimentary and you know,
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just like our personality difference or difference, the courage is different.
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So just as you start to give that definition, your sound will have a little light up.
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So maybe speak up a little bit.
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Sure.
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Yeah.
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And hopefully you guys are not hearing the background noise at my house, but they are
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drilling in the concrete outside and that's all I hear.
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So hopefully it's not coming through.
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We tried to test it, but we couldn't figure it out.
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All right, so I love your definition of courage and you've had lots of businesses and so let's
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talk about your courage journey and I always talk about people's courage journey.
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Like your why not today moments in your life and that moment that you remember where you
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were, what you're doing, who you're with, like you feel like, like that made those pivotal
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changes in your life.
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Yeah, I've had many of those.
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Yeah.
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So let's share some of those.
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Many, many and I think for me, a couple of the most pivotal ones, I've had, so I'm a melanoma
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survivor.
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So I can remember the day that I got the call from the doctor that I had melanoma and that
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was a big wake up call.
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And then I had a breast cancer scare.
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I had to go for an MRI and I was diagnosed from that MRI with stage three breast cancer.
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And so I can remember that day thinking I am not going to see my children grow up.
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I remember that day, but there were things going on in my body, hormonally, that were
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shifting like literally by the day.
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And so by the time my oncologist actually did another test, the mass that was in my
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breast had actually moved and dissolved.
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And so we had to do a lot of testing.
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And it came back as suspicious, but it did not come back as malignant.
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But I've heard those words, you have cancer twice now.
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And so I've had to have procedures for the melanoma.
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I had to have that removed.
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Thank God that didn't go any deeper.
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And then the breast cancer scare, I had to have two lumpectomies and I have to, I'm under
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a pretty constant supervision with all of that just based on what my genetic profile
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is.
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And so when you hear you have cancer, it just really changes the way you look at life.
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And I've always moved through life knowing that tomorrow is not promised.
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And so for me, I forgive very quickly.
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I don't hold on to anger.
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I truly, my intention, my highest intention is always to kind of be in that place of unconditional
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love and unconditional acceptance, knowing that everyone is on their own journey and
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that everyone's doing their best.
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And I live by the four agreements within Domie Galerouise's book, The Four Agreements,
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be impeccable with your word.
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And that means to be impeccable with your word within yourself as well as with others.
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Don't make assumptions, don't take anything personally and always do your best knowing
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that that changes from moment to moment.
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So for me, you know, we're all human.
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And I certainly have had my times and periods in my life when, you know, that I'm not proud
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of, but I also have engaged in self forgiveness.
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But overall, my intention is to move through life from a place of not even just forgiveness,
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but to even transcend that to a place of compassion and empathy and understanding, knowing that
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everyone does their best.
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Love that.
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And you know, it is such a journey.
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And that book you recommended, The Four Agreements.
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I have it.
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I don't think I've ever gotten through it, but I pulled it out again.
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Yeah, it's very important.
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I tried to, I mean, that was when I was raising my kids.
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It was a book that was very important for my, for my parenting so that we could raise our
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children with compassion.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, definitely need to pull that back out.
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It's amazing how some books, I don't know about you, but I read in one period and then
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I grab again, because that is one thing I'm very protective of is my books.
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Like, they don't leave my house.
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I've let a couple of people borrow them and I don't see them again.
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So I stopped doing that.
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Because I pick them up again and I read them.
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And yeah, reading six books at the same time, you know, and different messages come through.
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Yeah, you read them.
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Yeah, totally different.
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One of my other most important books is called the second half of life.
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It's by a cultural anthropologist named Angelus Arion.
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And that book, every time I listen to it, something new emerges.
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Like it's, I've listened to it probably a dozen times and it is such a profound book
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about the second half of life and that what that journey looks like, you know, we spend
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so much of our life, especially the first half becoming.
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Right.
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And the second half really is kind of unbecoming, right?
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Just recognizing that all of the striving that we've done in our life is only going to
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bring us to the place of realization that we have always been complete.
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Yeah, I have to listen to that one.
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And do you, I do enjoy listening to books and reading books.
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And I found if I listen to books, I kind of remember key points where I am when I'm walking
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or doing something.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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And I listen to books all the time while I'm walking, if I'm not in silent meditation,
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you know, where I just leave everything behind.
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And I have discovered recently, I don't know if you pay for Spotify, but there's a lot
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of books on Spotify.
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So that's part of it.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do.
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Love for that listening.
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All right.
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So give us some tips, some courage, the stories that you've gone through.
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You know, how can we encourage other people, bless other people, give people tools that
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we should be here based on your journey, your advice to other people?
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So my single, I think my most important piece of advice is people are kind of going through
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their own journeys is, you know, from the time we are born, we are conditioned.
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We are conditioned to compare ourselves.
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I mean, people, you know, kids go to preschool at ages two, three, four, five from the minute
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that they are put in community environments, they're being compared to other people, whether
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it's this one with the blonde hair, this one with the dark hair, this one with the light
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skin, this one with the dark skin, the short one, the tall one, the fat one, the skinny
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one, the one who's outgoing, the one who's not outgoing, the one who's got straight hair,
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the one who's got curly hair, the one who's got brown eyes, the one who has blue eyes,
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right?
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Like it doesn't, it doesn't matter what it is, but we are already conditioned from the
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time we are little to be compared to other people.
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And so what that does, Leslie, is it creates in us at a very early age of feeling of separateness.
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And it takes a very strong person to not be impacted negatively by that, right?
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To not be impacted by the external voices of comparison.
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And so going through our journey, if we can truly do the work where we feel connected
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to who we are in our soul and feel connected to our spirit, it's going to help us a lot
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in the long run.
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I've done a lot of writing and a lot of speaking about imposter syndrome.
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And especially, you know, this, this, you know, we're in the DC region, right?
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This is a very driven type of environment.
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It's a very comparative environment.
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I mean, it's a very polarized environment.
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It's very easy for us to think that we're not enough.
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But the only way that we feel that we're not enough is if we are making those other comparisons,
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right?
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When we can strip away all of the comparisons, the material comparisons, the financial comparisons,
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the professional, the educational comparisons, when we can strip all of that away, we realize
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that we are fully complete within ourselves and that there is no imposter syndrome because
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we are literally the only ones that can beat us.
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So how, what does that look like?
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How do you do that?
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Because we all have that going through our brain.
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So how do you?
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Yeah.
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Well, you do that.
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I mean, a lot of it is made by my spiritual path, right?
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Dami Galruiz has another book called The Five Levels of Attachment, which isn't as popular
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as his other one, as far as well known, but it's a very important book because he goes
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through the different levels of attachment and he talks about like, if we want inner freedom,
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if we want that inner peace, that inner tranquility, we have to release the attachment to everything
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outside of us, the money, the materialism, the house, all of that, right?
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And when we don't associate our identity with those things, that's where we have the most
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freedom.
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We raised our kids in Ashburn, Virginia, in Brambleton.
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My family at the time had a house that was almost 7,000 square feet.
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That's actually Jamie and I were neighbors.
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And it was just such a bizarre upbringing and existence for me, not my own upbringing, but
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just a bizarre existence because I've never been rooted in that material world.
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And here I was in this environment where it was like, that's really all it was about.
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And just being there, it just, for me, it was like the Twilight Zone, right?
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And so that was almost 7,000 square feet of footprint, which never felt good for me because
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I felt that environmentally and ecologically it was irresponsible.
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I felt I could never catch up.
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There were rooms in that house that we never went into.
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It was just, it was so much, right?
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I hate that much space.
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And I look at my life today now, Leslie, and I'm in a 715 square foot apartment.
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And I've never felt freer.
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Like I just, my whole life is lighter.
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My whole life is simpler and lighter.
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I believe in living light, traveling light, and being the light.
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Like that's kind of how I go through life.
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So I have a 715 square foot apartment and it's perfect.
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Like it's just, it's all I need.
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There's no additional footprint.
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My utility bill every month is $60.
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I can't imagine what it was before in the big, huge house.
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It was insane.
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Yeah.
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It was hundreds.
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Oh.
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Hundreds.
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Yeah.
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Ridiculous.
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So the house I grew up in Reston was when my parents bought it in the 70s.
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It was the most expensive house in Reston.
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They paid a whole $150,000 for it.
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But, you know, we had a good life, but I didn't realize we were the family people like, oh,
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they're the ones with the money, which we didn't.
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Yeah.
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Six kids and it was never really that, but it's amazing the perception.
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And then I look at those houses now.
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Most of those houses are, and they're single family, pretty nice size house on Lake.
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There's one in two people on most of those houses and the square footage per person is
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ridiculous.
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Yeah.
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So we can go on a whole change of that.
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But yeah.
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But just, you know, you asked about how do you get to that place where you're not in
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the constant, you know, the comparison mode.
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And it really is about not looking outward.
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It's about looking inward.
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Right.
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And really understanding what speaks to your own spirit and what speaks to your own soul
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and from a business perspective, when you can dial into that and you can really be connected
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to what I call your zone of genius, then from building a business, because I've built multiple
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businesses.
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I'm kind of shifting into strategic mode now and I do this with my businesses now.
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I want to stay in my zone of genius and creation and creativity, connection, communication.
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I do a lot of coaching.
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I do a lot of training, education.
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You know, I have two companies in order for me to stay in my zone of genius.
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I have learned how I am the bottleneck, the impediment to my own growth.
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Okay.
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So what are the areas in my life that I don't enjoy?
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What is not the highest and best use of my time?
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I always want to be spending and investing my time on things that I love, that I'm great
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at and it's the highest and best use of my time.
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And so anything else I outsource.
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So like I have a full time digital marketing assistant.
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I don't want to know all of those technologies.
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I don't want to create my own marketing materials that is, I'm great for content and
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ideation, but I don't want to touch a tool, right?
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So know what you do well.
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Know what you love.
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What your zone of genius is, what you want to be doing all day, every day, and then outsource
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the rest.
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And people might say, well, I really can't afford that.
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Well, you have to put your own skin in the game in order to build your business.
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And if you can do that and really stay in your zone of genius, then you're going to end
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up generating a lot more revenue for yourself than if you try and do everything, including
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the things that you don't like.
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Right.
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Totally agree.
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And I am, I'm having my website redesigned.
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And so there was a couple of graphics I gave to the women working on it.
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Like, can you, how would you change this?
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And they redid it completely in like 10 minutes.
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And I'm like, okay, I am staying in my lane.
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That is not my lane.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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And a quote that I've heard many times is take the pennies out of your eyes so you can
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see the dollar signs.
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Oh, I love that.
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And so, you know, the example is cleaning your house.
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You know, it takes you a long time to do it, pay somebody and get on the phone and work
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and sell whatever you're selling or do your work.
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Because that's not making you money to clean a toilet.
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I totally agree with you.
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You know, and we probably have a lot of people listening to this show who might have kids
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who are in middle school or high school or going through the whole college process.
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I will tell you that my older son was in a private school and so his school had a very
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robust college application support system.
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My younger son was in the public school in Loudoun County and the guidance counselors
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were overwhelmed.
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So there was no support at all for preparing them for college.
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Again, that was not my area of strength, right?
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I didn't know the process.
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And I didn't want to know the process.
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And I didn't want the last year of him being at home, being about me nagging him to get
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his college stuff done.
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So I wanted to take that out of our relationship and I wanted to really enjoy the last year
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that he was home.
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And so I outsourced that to a college counselor and it was only a few hours.
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It wasn't a huge investment.
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And what it is, is it took all that stress out of our relationship.
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He was accountable to her and I didn't have to take my work time to be nagging him on
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filling out applications and doing college.
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That is so smart.
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My own son did the same thing.
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Invested in tutors to help my nephew get higher test scores so he could get in the college
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he wanted with a scholarship.
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So what she invested got paid back so much.
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Exactly.
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Same with my younger son.
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Yeah, he ended up going to, he went on full, practically full academic scholarship, not
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quite, but he went on a high academic scholarship as a Division I athlete.
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He went on an academic scholarship, but he ran.
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And we still had to pay, when we still had to pay quite a bit out of pocket, but he would
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not have been able to go to that college if he didn't have the academic scholarship.
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And so, you know, those are so important lessons that I've read a book recently called Who
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Not How?
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Do the things that, you know, hire out the things.
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And it's so, it is a hard thing to do, especially if you haven't generated the income yet, but
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often say, you know, you need to hire the person before you can afford it.
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Absolutely.
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And then make the money and it always has come.
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You know, it makes you hustle harder.
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I had somebody one time in the Mary Kay world, her friend of mine's husband's like, why are
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you so successful?
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My wife isn't.
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I'm like, because she has your income behind her and I don't.
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Right.
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I have to work.
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Right.
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Sure.
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I don't get to procrastinate and not work and all those things.
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Yeah.
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Procrastination is luxury for business owners.
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Yeah.
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So what are tips for people starting a new business?
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Like you have an idea, you can't sleep at night, you're like, I want to do a business,
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get up, start an LLC.
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And then how do you spell it?
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I guess good advice was like, for me, you know, I can sell pencil or lipstick.
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I know how to do that.
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But when you sell your own services, how is it?
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I've talked to a lot of women they're struggling with putting a price tag on that and being
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able to sell their service and get out there, share with people.
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So what would be your advice for that?
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So the trajectory of business growth usually is where, you know, the practitioner is the
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person who's doing the services.
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Right.
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So we start where we are a small fish in a small pond, then we become a big fish in
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a small pond, then we become a small fish in a big pond, then we become a big fish in
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a big pond, and then we go to the ocean.
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Right.
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So you literally start by putting one step in front of the other.
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You start with one client.
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And I started my first company, Information Experts, which I grew to about $14 million
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before I exited that.
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I exited that about 17 years ago.
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When I say exit, I left.
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I put a succession plan in place.
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That company is still being run today.
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Totally different from when I started it.
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But when I was running it and I started it based on my master's degree of education,
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of human resources and instructional design, it was a training company.
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There was no LinkedIn.
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There was no Facebook.
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There wasn't any of that.
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I would say when I started Mary Kay, we didn't even have internet.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Like this is going back over 30 years ago.
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We had a phone.
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The way that I got my first job, Leslie, as an Information Experts, is I looked in the
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newspaper and I found an association that was hiring a full-time person for a technical
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writing position.
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And this answers your question.
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To start, you want to be able to paint the picture for a prospective customer on how
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you can improve their lives, how you can be a game changer in their organization or in
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their life.
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You have to paint that picture.
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That is what the opportunity and the obligation is for anyone who's selling their services.
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So when I found that ad in the newspaper for when I started Information Experts, I called
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them and I asked for a meeting.
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And when I got there, I said to them, I'm not looking for full-time.
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I am looking to be a contractor.
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And let me explain to you why that will serve your organization better.
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So it's being able to paint that picture and help them understand how you're going to help
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them achieve their goals.
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It can't be about why it's good for you.
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It can't be about doing a pitch on your features and your benefits.
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It has to be about that you understand their problems and you understand what they need
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and you are uniquely qualified to help them solve their problem.
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One of the most important books that I read when I was starting my company and to this
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day, I still recommend it, is called Blue Ocean Strategy.
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It's a Harvard book.
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And what that is, is the Blue Ocean is where we are creating in the marketplace what's
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known as uncontested marketplace value.
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And that means that we are the only ones doing what we do that somehow every everyone has
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something unique about themselves.
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The Red Ocean is where it's deeply competitive.
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If you're in a red ocean, you are in a highly competitive, commoditized market arena and
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you have not done a good job of differentiating yourself.
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You want to create a blue ocean.
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And my first company was initially in the commercial space and then we went to government
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and then we became a hybrid.
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And especially in the government space, where they really focus on price, lowest price,
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you still have to be really good at differentiating yourself.
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It's even more important.
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And so Blue Ocean Strategy is where you come up with something that makes you uniquely who
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you are and that's what you lead with.
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So for anyone who's starting any business at all, they have to have confidence.
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They have to have their mindset.
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And they have to understand why they out of anyone else are able to help a prospect achieve
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their goals.
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That's how you sell what you're selling.
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Yeah, that is definitely a book I'm going to go grab next.
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Yeah, really, really good.
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And my first company with that contract, the reason that I started it is my old boss had
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told me after I did a whole business case on what my value was in the marketplace that
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I would never be worth more than $34,000 to his company.
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And my mom taught me to never let anyone determine your value or your worth because we alone
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set that standard.
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So then when I decided to start my company and I went for that first meeting, I got my
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first contract for $35,000 over three months.
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Yay.
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Yeah.
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I remember one.
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I remember 30 years ago.
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I quit corporate America and I worked as a consultant for somebody and I asked the price
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of how much I wanted, like went way higher than my comfort level.
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And they're like, okay, like, oh, that was easy.
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Yeah.
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And I probably made more money.
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I know I made more money super part-time than I did my other job full-time.
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Yeah.
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So, yeah, we just need to encourage people to take that dream, that idea that keeps them
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up.
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And there's so many resources.
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And obviously this podcast has lots of great people and resources.
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I feel like I do this podcast so I can get educated and connected with amazing people
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like you.
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Oh, thank you.
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Yeah, a lot of what I do in my clients, especially in my solopreneur clients, you know, who are
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looking to negotiate their worth in the marketplace, I'm always pushing them to go higher, always.
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So important.
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So anything else you'd like to share?
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Lots of different things.
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You tell me what you'd like to talk about.
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I can talk about mindset.
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I can talk about entrepreneurship.
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I can talk about leadership.
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I can talk about the work-life integration and work-life balance.
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I can talk about...
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We'll look at a few more minutes.
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So I think we'll work on mindset because I think that's so important.
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Yes, so mindset.
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I mean, I think that mindset is a practice that needs to be done every day.
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For me, my content diet is really important.
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I stay away from a lot of negative news.
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I don't have my head in the sand, but I'm not really on Facebook at all.
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I don't follow any of the feeds.
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I don't get sucked into the inflammatory discussions.
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I'm not looking for polarity.
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I'm looking for connection and for unity.
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And so I really do...
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I'm very disciplined in my morning practices.
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I have a Kundalini yoga practice that I do every morning.
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I work out.
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I'm in nature pretty much every single morning.
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I am very protective of my sleep, which is about seven to eight hours every single night.
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I don't drink any alcohol.
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I have a pretty strict diet.
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So really, I find that there is a strong connection between the mind, the body, the heart, and
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the spirit, and we kind of have to nurture all of it.
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There is a huge connection between the health of our mind and just our ability to focus
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or the sharpness of our mind, just how we process whether or not we have brain fog,
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and the health of our digestive system and our microbiome.
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And so I'm very just dialed into kind of all of that and very intentional about my health.
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I live in profound gratitude, especially since I've heard those words, you have cancer.
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I live in profound gratitude for my health and I never take it for granted.
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I plan on being here for a long time.
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I want to see my children have very productive, healthy lives.
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And at the same time, I'm very much aware that tomorrow is not promised.
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And so I do what I can to truly be in gratitude for every day.
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Great tools and great advice.
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And a lot of those things I definitely follow.
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It makes, it does make a difference.
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And I had a guest on one time and she had climbed herself to the top of the corporate
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ladder as an African American woman.
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She literally came from the ghettos in LA and was in the C-suite and ended up with cancer
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twice, wasn't genetic, but stress related.
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And we were talking about insurance because when I quit my job, people are like, what
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are you going to do about insurance?
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I'm like, I'm going to pay for it.
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You guys are paying, working for somebody else, you're paying for it too.
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And she said, yeah, I had really good insurance.
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Thank goodness.
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But because that job, they gave me really good insurance, I needed it.
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That's right.
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That's right.
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Yes, we're not promised tomorrow.
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We need to live our life.
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Why not today and do the things now, enjoy the time, the people.
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I am blessed, but I have a great nephew now and he is just precious, but he lives in
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Kentucky and he's here visiting.
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So I shifted my schedule around because I can.
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That's right.
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That's important to me.
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That's right.
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Well, I talked about, you know, you sent me an email, you know, after you went through
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the questions I asked and said, one of the questions we talked about is how you knew
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my dad, which doesn't sound like you did.
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And so the connection, I'm trying to think, Jamie didn't know my dad either.
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She came around after my dad passed away, but I always try to, as people talk, see connection
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things go.
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He was an entrepreneur, he owned his own business my whole life that I remember and built several
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companies and did lots of different things with that.
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But one of the things we talked about earlier was, and this was the philosophy of his, is
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he was a city planner.
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And so I think this is ingrained in my brain.
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Like he talked about all these people that do become successful and they think they need
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bigger houses and they go out further so they can get more house and more house.
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And they didn't enjoy their house because they're working too much or computing too much.
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And that whole space thing, it's like, you don't need that.
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So we said that, that's not a reminder me and my dad.
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So I will share in the show notes all your contact information.
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Okay.
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And probably some of these book recommendations.
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Sure.
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Because that's always a good thing.
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So what's the best place for people to find you, Marissa?
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LinkedIn.
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LinkedIn, okay.
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I'm on Facebook, but I'm really rarely on Facebook and then honestly my Instagram channel,
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my social media person handles most of that.
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But I engage in LinkedIn and then Marissa international.com is my website as well as
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I five conscious leadership.com.
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I'm writing my next book, which is called the little book of big joy.
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And that is a whole roadmap for living your most joyful life.
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And so can sign up for my newsletter, the joyful journey on my website.
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Okay, I'll have to get that.
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And then we'll have definitely have to have you back when your book comes out.
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When's it supposed to come out?
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End of 2025 by the end of 2025.
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Okay.
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You may have to have you come over the river.
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Love love to.
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And be a speaker at the luncheon sometime too.
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Yeah, love love to.
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Yeah, so great.
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Well, thank you for being on and sharing all your insight and thank you everybody for
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joining us on this inspiring journey.
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Wherever it is an opportunity to take action, chase your dreams and make a difference.
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And we're on every channel.
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And then I am setting up courses and masterminds to help support people starting their business.
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So why not today?
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And thank you, Marissa for being a part of this journey.
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Such a pleasure.
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Thank you for what you're doing Leslie.
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Thank you.