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11-10 H3: Gene Steratore & Everett Fitzhugh Stops By & NFL Trade Deadline · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: It's time for Chuck in the Morning's weekly visit with
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  Speaker 1: former NFL official Gene Steratore. Brought to you by the
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  Speaker 1: Emerald Queen Casino, the entertainment capital of the Northwest. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the official perspective of the NFL. Here's Chuck in the
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  Speaker 1: Morning with Gene Steratore.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 3: Took a little time away last week. Not a vacation,
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  Speaker 3: let's be very clear. It was not a vacation. That
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  Speaker 3: was time with family. And yes, I thought about Chris Kidd,
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  Speaker 3: and yes, I thought about Anders Hurst, and I was
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  Speaker 3: hoping they were doing well, but I truly missed Gene Steratore.
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  Speaker 3: That's the truth. That's the truth.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't surprise me, honestly.
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  Speaker 3: And so we reconnect here on this Tuesday morning. Hello, Gene.
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  Speaker 3: How are you?
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  Speaker 5: Good morning, Chuck. And we did miss you, Chuck. We did.
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  Speaker 6: I got to tell you.
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  Speaker 5: Like the guys did a great job.
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  Speaker 6: They were they were really complimentary, too. But it was
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  Speaker 6: only one week. Now, had you been off two weeks
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  Speaker 6: and they would have been that complimentary back to back
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  Speaker 6: weeks might be a different conversation today.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm sticking with you, my man. I'm sticking.
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  Speaker 3: Good. You know, I mean, I know they're listening right now,
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  Speaker 3: but if you had had to deal with them for
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  Speaker 3: two weeks, you'd have been so annoyed by now.
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  Speaker 6: The honeymoon would have been over pretty quick.
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  Speaker 3: I've really saved you. I've saved you a lot of hurting.
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  Speaker 3: I appreciate that. You're always looking out for me, Chuck.
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  Speaker 5: I am.
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  Speaker 3: I am.
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  Speaker 5: I am.
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  Speaker 3: If not for Anders and Chris, definitely you. All right. Well,
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  Speaker 3: we've got a lot to discuss. We had a game
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  Speaker 3: which we, even in a victory, Gene, we roundly criticized
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  Speaker 3: yesterday the officiating that went on in the game. I
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  Speaker 3: just want to get your perspective. Maybe we'll see it
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  Speaker 3: from a different angle, but I got a few different
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  Speaker 3: plays that I wanted to go through, and we'll do
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  Speaker 3: them chronologically. That's fine. Let's start in the second quarter,
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  Speaker 3: 2.30 remaining. This seemed to be the one that bothered me.
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  Speaker 3: us the most and that was a play a reception
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  Speaker 3: by trey mcbride where it looked like just a classic
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  Speaker 3: fumble and the officiating crew said forward progress had been
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  Speaker 3: stopped and the cardinals held on to the football and
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  Speaker 3: seahawk fans everywhere threw stuff at their televisions so what
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  Speaker 3: did you see on that particular play i mean is
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  Speaker 3: there any defense for the officials there.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's just a quick whistle.
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  Speaker 6: And I don't disagree with your assessment or the Seattle fans,
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  Speaker 6: quite frankly, on the play.
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  Speaker 5: It appeared to me.
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  Speaker 6: That, you know, once that initial contact happened, that McBride
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  Speaker 6: does start to spin away from that contact, which created
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  Speaker 6: a little bit of separation and not your classic, you know,
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  Speaker 6: I've wrapped up a runner and now I'm starting to
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  Speaker 6: drive him backward and and then we have that whistle
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  Speaker 6: that occurs, and then the ball kind of comes out, right?
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  Speaker 6: This one just did not feel like there was enough
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  Speaker 6: of a stalemate, and then a driving backward from the
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  Speaker 6: defense to kill the play and rule progress. And then,
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  Speaker 6: as we know, once they rule progress on the field
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  Speaker 6: like that, the only time they could review that play
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  Speaker 6: is if in the immediate contact from that defensive player,
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  Speaker 6: the ball would come loose. You could review that aspect
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  Speaker 6: when progress is ruled, but other than that, You really
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  Speaker 6: can't get into reviews.
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  Speaker 5: So a big statement when you say forward.
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  Speaker 6: Progress was stopped as it relates to replay and that
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  Speaker 6: we're all to dissect that.
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  Speaker 5: And then quite frankly, just think.
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  Speaker 6: This was one of those plays where As an official,
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  Speaker 6: you kind of want to breathe and bite through your
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  Speaker 6: whistle and see now McBride spinning away. They continue now
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  Speaker 6: to wrap him up and start to drive him backward,
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  Speaker 6: kill the play. But this did not feel like your
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  Speaker 6: classic kind of drive-back, forward-progress play. And I understand frustration
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  Speaker 6: from the Seattle fans, I'm sure.
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  Speaker 3: So in other words, even if every other official disagreed
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  Speaker 3: with the quick whistle guy, there was nothing they can
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  Speaker 3: do once he made that determination. Nobody could overturn that play.
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  Speaker 6: Exactly.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly. That's exactly right.
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  Speaker 3: All right. So third quarter, 11 minutes left in the
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  Speaker 3: third quarter. This is more of a, this is an
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  Speaker 3: unusual play that you don't, you just don't see every
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  Speaker 3: day in the national football league. And I think a
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  Speaker 3: lot of people, I don't know if there was anger
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  Speaker 3: from Seahawks fans, more of like head scratching. Zach Charbonnet
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  Speaker 3: had a 17 yard run and, Um, and the penalty
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  Speaker 3: was assessed after the play was over, but apparently was
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  Speaker 3: called at the beginning of the play. Cause a lot
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  Speaker 3: of people thought shouldn't the carry count and then a
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  Speaker 3: first down and then you mark it back off from there. Um,
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  Speaker 3: what did you see on that play? How can you
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  Speaker 3: explain this to us?
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  Speaker 6: These are some of the differences in penalty enforcement as
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  Speaker 6: it relates to college football and then to NFL football.
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  Speaker 6: When you have a play like a late hit just
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  Speaker 6: as the play ends in the NFL, that's not.
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  Speaker 5: Considered a dead ball foul.
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  Speaker 6: You know, we count everything that happened on the previous
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  Speaker 6: play and then we enforce the penalty after that play
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  Speaker 6: is over, basically. So there is that moment in time
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  Speaker 6: when a play ends. And then you have action that
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  Speaker 6: happens immediately afterward. That actually is part of that play,
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  Speaker 6: even though it occurs in the technicality of a dead
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  Speaker 6: ball scenario.
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  Speaker 5: And this is a very.
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  Speaker 6: Unique play and a very unique enforcement in the NFL
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  Speaker 6: because you had a five-yard penalty. On the front end
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  Speaker 6: against the defense, right? So I believe it was an
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  Speaker 6: offside on the defense. Now you have a play with
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  Speaker 6: the completion and then you have a personal foul late
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  Speaker 6: hit on the offense just after the play ended. In
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  Speaker 6: the NFL, we call that a 5-15. So you have
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  Speaker 6: a five-yard penalty, a simple five, which is not defensive holding.
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  Speaker 5: That's not a simple five.
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  Speaker 6: Simple fives are false starts, offside, illegal shift, illegal motion.
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  Speaker 6: Those are simple fives. But when you have a 5-15,
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  Speaker 6: simple five against one team, 15-yard foul against the other team,
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  Speaker 6: The enforcement is to ignore the five-yard foul. It basically
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  Speaker 6: goes away, and you enforce the personal foul or the
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  Speaker 6: 15-yard penalty.
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  Speaker 5: They're unique. They don't happen that frequently. They're not easy to.
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  Speaker 6: Explain, and eight seconds with the microphone on the field,
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  Speaker 6: it's one of those by rule, this is how you
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  Speaker 6: apply this, and you go from there. But as we
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  Speaker 6: see on this play, you have the defense offsides. You
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  Speaker 6: have a 20-plus-short game. And now we're losing all of
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  Speaker 6: these things. And we're going back to the previous spot
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  Speaker 6: and penalizing the offense 15 yards.
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  Speaker 5: So it's like a.
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  Speaker 6: 40 plus 50 yard foul. with a lot of layers
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  Speaker 6: of confusion, but that's really the gist of it. Dead
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  Speaker 6: ball fouls in NFL, not always, but in many cases,
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  Speaker 6: they just become part of that previous play. In a
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  Speaker 6: lot of cases, in college football, they would have penalized.
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  Speaker 5: The offside by the defense. and then they would have.
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  Speaker 6: Penalized the 15 yards against the offense. And as you said,
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  Speaker 6: they would have gone back and forth. They're more technical
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  Speaker 6: with the live ball and ball enforcement in college than.
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  Speaker 5: They are in the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember us talking about this maybe last year
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  Speaker 3: where I said, why doesn't the 15-yard penalty negate a
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  Speaker 3: 10-yard penalty? And you said there is a case where
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  Speaker 3: that can occur, and this is it. This is the instance.
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  Speaker 3: So We saw it on Sunday. And that, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: was in the fourth quarter. Sorry, I said in the
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  Speaker 3: third quarter, but that was in the fourth quarter. Also
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  Speaker 3: in the fourth quarter, we had a P.I. play, which
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  Speaker 3: looked to us, and maybe we did look through Seahawk
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  Speaker 3: colored glasses on this. Looked to us like a classic
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  Speaker 3: flop job by a very good tight end in Trey McBride,
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  Speaker 3: and Josh Jobe got called for a P.I. So I
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  Speaker 3: got two questions for you. Number one, did you see
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  Speaker 3: it that way? And then number two, what does that
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  Speaker 3: do to an official when you go back and you review,
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  Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, that guy just totally tricked me,
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  Speaker 3: and I will get my revenge one day.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know if the last.
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  Speaker 6: Part of that is true or you're going to put.
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  Speaker 5: It in your pocket. Now, look, me being of Italian
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  Speaker 5: ethnicity and heritage, we do put things in our back pocket.
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  Speaker 6: They usually aren't sports related or associating related. But, you know,
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  Speaker 6: that last word I think was revenge or something like that.
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  Speaker 6: We use it every once in.
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  Speaker 5: A while, but not in this case.
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  Speaker 3: And you take the cannolis.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, after Louie's done with everything, it's not too messy. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you grab the cannolis and you go home with a
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  Speaker 6: good dessert.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, you do. Exactly. It's perfect cover. Don't know what
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  Speaker 5: he did.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, his hands look a little dirty, but man, that
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  Speaker 6: was a great cannoli. So it changes the subject a little.
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  Speaker 6: But I think when you watch the play, there's this
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  Speaker 6: hand fighting that occurs and it occurs frequently. within that
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  Speaker 6: first four or five yards. And then nothing that really
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  Speaker 6: jumps off the screen other than really two players that
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  Speaker 6: are kind of jousting for some type of a position
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  Speaker 6: as the football is coming in, nothing really extreme. And,
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  Speaker 6: you know, we don't like to also accuse players of flopping, right?
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  Speaker 6: You don't want to go in and assume too much.
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  Speaker 6: People do lose their balance. They very specific time and
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  Speaker 6: the timing is perfect to all of those types of things.
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  Speaker 6: But I think if you watch that play, and we
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  Speaker 6: have luxuries here to rewind refs again. I do in
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  Speaker 6: my current job that I don't have to just make
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  Speaker 6: that call in a split second. But I think if
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  Speaker 6: you do go back and look at the.
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  Speaker 5: Play, there's hand fighting.
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  Speaker 6: The receiver appears to lose his balance as that hand
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  Speaker 6: fighting is kind of coming to an end and.
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  Speaker 5: The ball is getting there.
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  Speaker 6: And the reaction was that that hand, you know, those
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  Speaker 6: hands by Joe were were, the factor in that receiver
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  Speaker 6: losing his balance. But in my take, honestly, and again,
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  Speaker 6: the luxury of looking at it two or three times,
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  Speaker 6: it didn't.
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  Speaker 5: Appear to be that way.
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  Speaker 6: I think, I think a no call for pass interference
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  Speaker 6: and allow that play to occur would have been the
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  Speaker 6: better decision, but that was after rewinding it two or
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  Speaker 6: three times, quite frankly, and then, you know, make an assessment.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Mike McDonald was not too happy about that call in
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  Speaker 3: that given moment. Gene Staretor is with us, a rules analyst,
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  Speaker 3: CBS rules analyst, uh, And, of course, the greatest NFL
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  Speaker 3: official of all time. He joins us every week thanks
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  Speaker 3: to the Emerald Queen Casino. Always entertaining. And just so
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  Speaker 3: I can show you another layer that I have depth,
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  Speaker 3: I didn't think that the bad calls, and I thought
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  Speaker 3: there were a lot of them, unfortunately, Gene, in the
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks-Cardinals game, but not all of them went against the Seahawks.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't think A.J. Barner completed that catch for the
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  Speaker 3: touchdown at the end of the first half. What did
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  Speaker 3: you see?
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  Speaker 6: I think it is right at the end.
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  Speaker 5: I do think initially, and.
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  Speaker 6: I, and I think Mike, you know, that, you know, Mike,
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  Speaker 6: when Mike did come on, I understand exactly what he's
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  Speaker 6: saying about the ruling on the field, clear and obvious, but,
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  Speaker 6: This isn't jumping off the screen as clear and obvious. And,
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  Speaker 6: and I don't disagree with him in that regard, but
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  Speaker 6: I do have to say, when you look at these
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  Speaker 6: plays and you can see the football and you can,
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  Speaker 6: you can see the ball all the way through these
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  Speaker 6: little frame by frame dissections we do in this day
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  Speaker 6: and age to, to rule on catches.
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  Speaker 5: And not catches.
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  Speaker 6: It was a survive the ground play first and foremost,
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  Speaker 6: which means that receiver has to maintain that control of.
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  Speaker 5: The football and through the contact.
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  Speaker 6: Of the ground and through that, that moment after he lands.
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  Speaker 6: And I just didn't feel like, and ball movement is
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  Speaker 6: not always an immediate, Hey, it's incomplete. The ball moved either,
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  Speaker 6: or the ball touched the ground. Those are not like
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  Speaker 6: automatic deal breakers. It's not just completely over there. Right.
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  Speaker 5: We know that.
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  Speaker 6: And I do think he has, you know, a, 90%
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  Speaker 6: control as he hit the ground. But it looked to
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  Speaker 6: me like on that second little movement.
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  Speaker 5: That he did lose control of the footballs. It just
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  Speaker 5: felt to.
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  Speaker 6: Me like the one hand that was under the ball
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  Speaker 6: and the initial contact to the ground, it did slide away.
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  Speaker 6: And the football was laying there and just basically it
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  Speaker 6: was a ball in the ground. And then kind of
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  Speaker 6: like a double clutch or clutching of it. I thought
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  Speaker 6: it was an incomplete pass, quite frankly. And, and one
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  Speaker 6: of those types of plays, but you know, doesn't jump
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  Speaker 6: way off the screen at you. But for me, I
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  Speaker 6: just saw that little double clutching. And I think maybe
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  Speaker 6: he might've seen the same thing that Chuck.
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  Speaker 3: You know what else is clear and obvious for Mike Pereira?
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  Speaker 3: That Gene Steratore is the best rules analyst in the– Yes,
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  Speaker 3: he is. Clear and obvious, Mike. Sorry about it.
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  Speaker 5: Sorry.
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  Speaker 6: Is it even an expedited– is that expedited review?
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  Speaker 5: Yes, that was expedited. That wasn't even an expedited review, Mike.
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  Speaker 3: Replay assist. I love it. You know– along the lines though,
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  Speaker 3: of clear and obvious. And you go up to the booth.
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  Speaker 3: I think that, that, that really, I mean, it's one
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  Speaker 3: thing to blow a call on the field. And I
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  Speaker 3: think most reasonable football fans who don't have money on
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  Speaker 3: the game, uh, can look at that and say, Hey,
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  Speaker 3: that was a fast play. That's not an easy job.
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  Speaker 3: I think it really bothers me. And I'll speak on
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  Speaker 3: behalf of a lot of other football fans out there
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  Speaker 3: when they go to the booth and they still get
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  Speaker 3: it wrong. Um, How do you view that? I mean,
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  Speaker 3: as an official, as a longtime NFL official, as a
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  Speaker 3: rules analyst, how much does it kind of like stick
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  Speaker 3: in your crawl when you take the time to stop
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  Speaker 3: the game and you go upstairs to get the call
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  Speaker 3: right and you still feel like they didn't get it right?
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  Speaker 2: It gets really frustrating because we all know that this
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  Speaker 2: advanced technology and all of these things, which I'm not
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  Speaker 2: completely against, 100% against, But the implementation of these were
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  Speaker 2: that we're putting this in because we are going to
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  Speaker 2: get these plays right.
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  Speaker 6: And we have the time to do so. And we
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  Speaker 6: have the technology to see all of these things. And yes,
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  Speaker 6: in certain replay scenarios, you are going to miss the
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  Speaker 6: ball or lose the ball.
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  Speaker 5: And we have to draw rules and boundaries.
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  Speaker 6: Those situations, whether there's a clear recovery or whether those
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  Speaker 6: types of elements take place on a lot of first
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  Speaker 6: down plays, right, or where the ball crosses the sideline
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  Speaker 6: when we just might not get that 1,000% clear place.
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  Speaker 6: But when we do have these situations occur and we
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  Speaker 6: have What we think now, look, we are looking at it,
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  Speaker 6: and you're still not coming up with the answer that
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  Speaker 6: 99 or 100 out of 100 in the bar's hand
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  Speaker 6: was the play. It definitely elevates the frustration because... You
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  Speaker 6: were the ones that told us when we put this in,
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  Speaker 6: we're going to fix all of these human conditions, right?
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  Speaker 5: And all of these fast plays.
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  Speaker 6: And then we don't. The pressure definitely elevates. And the
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  Speaker 6: pressure to get these right almost every single time is there.
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  Speaker 5: It's real.
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  Speaker 6: And they accept the pressure, right? But you also have
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  Speaker 6: to get, in my opinion, you've got to get them right.
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  Speaker 6: We can't put this in there, slow the game down,
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  Speaker 6: and start to say we're going to put these– new
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  Speaker 6: things in that are going to help us make sure
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  Speaker 6: we get them right.
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  Speaker 5: And then we don't.
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  Speaker 6: And it definitely draws conversation and rightly so.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we can't get through a major college football game
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  Speaker 3: without a controversial call this season. That's official. And we
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  Speaker 3: had another one, Miami, Notre Dame, where Mario Cristobal, the
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  Speaker 3: head coach of the Hurricanes, said afterwards, I mean, he
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  Speaker 3: made a point to single out a play where he
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  Speaker 3: couldn't understand why His player did not get credited with
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  Speaker 3: a touchdown. It did look like he caught the ball
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  Speaker 3: cleanly inbounds, but then, in the words of today's officiating,
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  Speaker 3: didn't complete the catch when he fell to the ground
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  Speaker 3: and out of bounds. And so, again, I'll ask you
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  Speaker 3: to define for us, once again, what a catch is
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  Speaker 3: in the National Football League on the sidelines. Why was
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  Speaker 3: that call made incomplete?
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  Speaker 6: That's the third element of the catch, and we know
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  Speaker 6: the process of the catch. Now, we're all become so
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  Speaker 6: astute with at least how they're defining it, right? And
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  Speaker 6: we all know it's possession, college, one foot down, NFL's
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  Speaker 6: two feet down. But in part, if he's an upright
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  Speaker 6: receiver and he's met those first two criteria– the subjective
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  Speaker 6: part of what.
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  Speaker 5: Is or isn't a catch comes into play.
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  Speaker 6: And that is this time element that would say, yes,
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  Speaker 6: he had enough time to then make a football move,
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  Speaker 6: even though he may not have, or this other piece
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  Speaker 6: of what they define as a football move could be
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: talking the ball away, could be reaching for the goal line,
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: some other move that separates itself from the gathering of
• 16:51
  Speaker 6: the possession of the football. And truthfully, when you start
• 16:55
  Speaker 6: doing this, And you slow it down so slow at
• 16:59
  Speaker 6: the end of the first two criteria. And now we're
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: looking for this quote unquote football move or the more
• 17:06
  Speaker 6: dangerous piece when we really slow it down is the
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: time element, right? Watch that play in real time and
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: just let it play.
• 17:15
  Speaker 5: And you look and you see.
• 17:16
  Speaker 6: Boom, ball hits, defensive guy's hand comes in. There's a
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: quick little jumble and the football's out. And to me
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: in real time, it just looks like you didn't have
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: it long enough.
• 17:27
  Speaker 5: It's incomplete.
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: But we all know even.
• 17:29
  Speaker 5: When we see these plays, we think incomplete immediately. We
• 17:32
  Speaker 5: know what's coming next. Now we've been trained to that.
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: And that is, oh, let's get the closest camera shot.
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: And now let's just slow these 250 frames a second
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: down to one frame at a time and start to
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: make assessments on something subjective.
• 17:47
  Speaker 5: Like time or when that move really does occur.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: And I think we're in a really dangerous place, quite frankly,
• 17:54
  Speaker 6: when we start frame by framing elements of time and
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: movement like that, because a football move that is a
• 18:01
  Speaker 6: blink of an eye or maybe not even noticeable on
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: a real time camera speed. becomes this exaggerated move that
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: everybody says, well, there's the football move. And I think
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: that's really the bigger conversation. I didn't think it was
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: a catch personally. I didn't think it was a catch
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: when they slowed it down because I think the ball
• 18:22
  Speaker 6: does come loose a little even after the initial stick
• 18:25
  Speaker 6: because he has to finish a third step before.
• 18:28
  Speaker 5: Or that time element.
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: And as that third foot was coming down that ball,
• 18:32
  Speaker 6: he lost possession of.
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: Ball and not in frame by frame time. You could
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: see there.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: Was some movement there enough that he may have been
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: trying to re-grasp it.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: Just didn't think it was.
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: But I do understand when you slow these down, we
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: can look at three frames of 250, right?
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: And go, there's the move, or this is a long time.
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: And I think that's the bigger question. You know, I've
• 18:57
  Speaker 6: been a strong proponent of when we review plays, I
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: think my sweet spot would be three quarters of speed
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: of real time and just replay. And as we dissect
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: and we rule on those plays only at that speed.
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: Now there's always going to be plays that you just
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: stop the camera and go, his foot's out of bounds.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: The ball broke the play to the goal line. And
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: I think we keep that there. Subjective plays that require
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: movement or an assessment of time and If we go
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: too slow, we distort reality and we start adding bugs
• 19:28
  Speaker 6: into the mix. And I think we lose consistency when
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: we do that. And I think that's the greater conversation.
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: At this point is get to a sweet.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: Spot of slowing it down, make the assessment at that speed.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: And if it doesn't jump off of the screen at
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: you right then, then go with what they wrote on
• 19:47
  Speaker 6: the field and let's play football again. I think we've
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: gone down the rabbit hole of Zapruder film frame by
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: frame dissection, you know?
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: All right. Let's get the good one in. I want
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: to make sure that we get our good referee moment in.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: And I saw something and I... scrambled from my chair
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: to go find a pen so I could write it
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: down because I wanted to ask you. And I didn't
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: see a lot of the Raiders 49ers game, but three minutes,
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: 10 seconds left, three quarter, there was a fumble at
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: the goal line and there were two officials had a
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: completely different opinion on what happened. And most of the
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: people most of the officials seemed to side with the
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: guy initially that had the wrong call. And, man, Gene,
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: there was one official, I don't know what his name is,
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: he was adamant. Nope, I saw it. I had a
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: better angle than all of you fools, and I got
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: it right. And they stuck with him, and then they
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: went to the review, and it turns out he was right.
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: It was a fumble at the goal line. I thought
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: that was some great officiating, Gene.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know what, Chuck?
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: It really is great officiating, and I appreciate it because
• 20:51
  Speaker 6: I love the fact that we can end these on
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: a positive because there's thousands of plays each week. There
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: are thousands and thousands of decisions that are made without
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: flags or without slow motion every single play, so they really,
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: really are really good at what they do, and I
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: know when we miss, we suffer. But this is a
• 21:10
  Speaker 6: perfect case in all aspects from a crew concept. Listen,
• 21:13
  Speaker 6: if you have doubt, you come to officials and we
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: have to have conversation.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: And, you know, don't bring.
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: I think or I thought or this or that. You
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: bring what you bring to the table and then you
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: have a very difficult conversation and a heated moment when
• 21:30
  Speaker 6: you have conflicting results or conflicting opinions on something, right?
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: And To be in those moments, and I lived them
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: for three and a half decades in my life, the
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: level of trust that has to take place between individuals
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: that are on a crew and those moments, and the
• 21:51
  Speaker 6: level of confidence and humility to look and say, I
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: hear all of you, but I have seen this.
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: I'm putting my career on this one. Let's go this direction.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: It really requires a lot more than you would think.
• 22:04
  Speaker 6: And really, when an official steps up like that, again,
• 22:08
  Speaker 6: you are trusting that that official would never say that.
• 22:12
  Speaker 6: Like we've seen some players look at coaches and go,
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: challenge it.
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: I caught it. And then we look at the replay
• 22:16
  Speaker 5: and go, no, you didn't.
• 22:18
  Speaker 6: You know, I don't know if I'm going to trust
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: you the next time. Or every time they stand up
• 22:22
  Speaker 6: and look at us as officials, when it's incomplete, and
• 22:24
  Speaker 6: you're going, I know every play's incomplete, but it's a catch-and-go.
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: You know, but I think in these situations, that's when
• 22:31
  Speaker 6: crews really, really do become much better collectively moving forward
• 22:36
  Speaker 6: in real time because they're bringing a lot of information.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: And someone is saying, I hear you. I respect what
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: you're saying.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: I saw this thing from beginning to end. And I'm
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: telling you, this is what it is. and then when
• 22:48
  Speaker 6: that occurs and then when replay does come in and
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: confirms it yeah it's a pretty cool feeling on the
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: field when you are the official that said i told
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: you guys tell them to run it all they want
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: upstairs i saw it and uh you know next time
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: i come maybe we won't have to talk so long
• 23:04
  Speaker 6: but but really a good job by all of them
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: you know and then somebody has to buy someone a
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: beverage after.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: The game is over okay because of that as well
• 23:13
  Speaker 5: so they're usually It really is.
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: A little bonus at the end, a little extra candy
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: in the basket for you whenever we finish this thing.
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: So kudos to the zebras there.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: I can't even imagine how many more times you experienced
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: that feeling than Pereira. I can't even imagine. Tens, twenties, hundreds.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know.
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 23:36
  Speaker 6: Hire, hire.
• 23:36
  Speaker 5: Hire.
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: All right. Thank you, sir. Always a pleasure. We appreciate you.
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: Thanks, guys. Welcome back, Chuck. Have a great week. All right.
• 23:49
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  Speaker 3: from Finland on KJR. Oh, it's time to head overseas. Oh,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: we've sent some of our best people, maybe all of
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: our best people, over to Helsinki, Finland for Thursday's big
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: global match between the Carolina Hurricanes.
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: There you are.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: Seattle Kraken joining us now. The voice of the Kraken. Oh,
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: he's probably up to his armpits in salmon soup right now.
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: Everett Fitzhugh joins us here on the radio program. Hello, sir. Kippus. Oh, Kippus,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: good morning, Mr.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: Buddy.
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: It is. This is a fun day. Fun opportunity, fun
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: place to be. We've explored so much already. We got
• 24:58
  Speaker 7: to go to the rink. We've been around downtown. We
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: still have four days to go. It's been a fun
• 25:04
  Speaker 7: time so far.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: You could have fought for Anders and I to go.
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: We really, really, really would love to be there.
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: Listen, I did fight. I fought.
• 25:11
  Speaker 7: But Mike Benton, he wanted a lot of... The glory
• 25:16
  Speaker 7: for himself. So, you know, trying to keep him in check.
• 25:20
  Speaker 7: Let me just tell you, there is no containing Mike Benton.
• 25:24
  Speaker 7: There's no stopping Mike Benton. You just have to keep
• 25:27
  Speaker 7: him somewhat on the tracks, which is proving very hard
• 25:31
  Speaker 7: to do.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: All the kindest people in the world, turns out, have
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: an evil core. It's true. He's a dark side.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: It's a dark side, but it's just his dark side
• 25:41
  Speaker 7: is all sunshine and rainbows.
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: See, that's almost... Worse than an actual dark side sometimes.
• 25:49
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: Well, I am happy for you. That sounds just like
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: a great experience, and it's going to be a fun
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: event on Thursday.
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: So good for you. I was curious from a hockey perspective,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: like how are they choosing the goaltender? Just hottest hand,
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: best matchup? I mean, or are they going to give
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: the nod to Grubauer because, you know, he's European and
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: closer to home? Or do they draw straws? Do they
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: flip a coin? How are they going to decide who
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: actually gets to put on the equipment for this honor,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: this special event?
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: Well, tomorrow's going to be the first, I guess, official
• 26:30
  Speaker 7: practice of this global series. They did have a get-your-legs-under-you practice.
• 26:36
  Speaker 7: They had an off-the-plane sweat the other day, but you
• 26:40
  Speaker 7: weren't really working on things. But tomorrow will be the
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: first time that this team actually hits the ice and
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: will skate. So I think that Grubauer will probably go
• 26:52
  Speaker 7: on Thursday, and then we'll see what happens tomorrow. From there,
• 26:55
  Speaker 7: we'll find all of that out tomorrow. But I think
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: for the reason that you mentioned, I mean, it wouldn't
• 27:00
  Speaker 7: surprise me to see all the Europeans starting and getting
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: a chance to play on Thursday to open up this
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: global series.
• 27:08
  Speaker 8: I think once.
• 27:08
  Speaker 7: Saturday hits, you decide what you want to do there.
• 27:13
  Speaker 7: But I do think that Grubauer probably will start, seeing
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: as how Joey got the start on Saturday.
• 27:20
  Speaker 8: Grubauer came in in relief. I would say he's going
• 27:23
  Speaker 8: to go, but we should find all that out tomorrow.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what about, you know, did they swap for.
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: The goaltenders you just mentioned, they're getting one or the other.
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: Or is there a thought process that you need to
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: win this game, these games? And Grubauer has just been
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: the more successful goaltender overall this year. What are you expecting,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: like just from the pure Kraken versus Carolina Hurricane side
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: of things? Is the game plan going into this? How
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: do they balance, you know, playing the occasion versus playing
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: the opponent?
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: You know what?
• 27:56
  Speaker 8: I think at the end of the day, you have
• 27:58
  Speaker 8: to win these games.
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: I mean, this is a Kraken team that two and
• 28:02
  Speaker 7: three in their last five, they're getting some good individual performances.
• 28:08
  Speaker 7: But Carolina, they're the Stanley Cup champions for a reason.
• 28:11
  Speaker 7: They come into the game 14-3-2. They have outscored their
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: opponent 78-44. They're first in the league in offense. They're
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: seventh in PKs. They've got the best home record in
• 28:26
  Speaker 7: the league, one of the best road records in the league.
• 28:29
  Speaker 7: I can go on and on and on.
• 28:30
  Speaker 8: You have to win these games.
• 28:32
  Speaker 7: And for as fun, for as much of a spectacle
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: as these games are going to be, it's an opportunity
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: for Seattle to showcase their team, their branding, our city.
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: You still have to win these games. So a lot
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: of the next... 24 hours going into tomorrow night and
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: then obviously game day on Thursday, you're going to have
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: to dial in and not let all of the distractions
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: be a distraction for you. So I think, you know,
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: Grubauer's been hot. He's been the better goalie. If Grubauer
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: proves to be your best chance to win both of
• 29:07
  Speaker 7: these games, then Grubauer's going to play both of these games.
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: So again, we'll find out tomorrow. My gut is telling
• 29:15
  Speaker 7: me Phil will start on Thursday. And if Phil has
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: a good game, if Phil wins, definitely he'll play on
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: Saturday again. But even in a loss, if it's a
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: 4-3 overtime loss or something like that, I still could
• 29:29
  Speaker 7: see him getting both of these games.
• 29:32
  Speaker 8: At the end of the day, you need these points.
• 29:34
  Speaker 3: Live from Finland, Everett Fitzhugh is with us getting ready
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: for the big event starting on... on Thursday there in Helsinki.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Nine o'clock, they'll drop the puck. You can hear it
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: right here on KJR 830 pregame. All right, so is
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: everybody fighting to hang out with Kapo Kako because he's
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: such a great tour guide for everyone? I mean, are
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: you doing your best to stay in his group so
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: that he can show you the ropes?
• 29:59
  Speaker 8: Remember the first time the Beatles came to America?
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Man.
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: No, Capo Caco, he has really taken on the leadership
• 30:09
  Speaker 7: tour guide role with the team. And Lane Lambert even
• 30:14
  Speaker 7: said as much in his media the other day. after
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: practice when the Kraken skated on Monday, that it's really
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: great leadership by him. He's taken them to a few
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: of his favorite saunas. They've gone to some restaurants. They
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: had a team dinner yesterday. I know there's a few
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: wives and other family members, girlfriends, folks have come into town,
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: and he's He's taking the charge there and getting them
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: set up with a few things. So he really has
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: shown the team a fun time. We've got a couple
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: of events on the staff side tonight and then on Friday.
• 30:52
  Speaker 7: But actually, former Kraken Ellie Tolvanen has told me a
• 30:56
  Speaker 7: few places to go that we have to check out.
• 31:00
  Speaker 7: Between Kapokako, between Yanni Newman and Coco and Odovainen, and
• 31:05
  Speaker 7: then obviously Tolvanen, who used to play here. This team
• 31:08
  Speaker 7: is well covered on places to go, things to see,
• 31:12
  Speaker 7: food to eat, saunas to sweat at.
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: Which.
• 31:16
  Speaker 8: We're all going to take in here over the next
• 31:18
  Speaker 8: few days.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: It looks fantastic. It just looks so beautiful. I'm just
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: happy for you, but jealous at the same time. I'm like,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I'm like, uh, Jelpy.
• 31:29
  Speaker 9: Over here now that you bring it up yeah i
• 31:40
  Speaker 9: think that is what's coursing through my veins at this
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: stage i.
• 31:44
  Speaker 7: Think and that's the coolest part too about being over
• 31:47
  Speaker 7: here is the culture i think sometimes sometimes in america
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: you know we get so caught up in in being
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: so star spangled awesome and then you go to another
• 31:57
  Speaker 7: country and you're like man This place is amazing.
• 32:00
  Speaker 8: This place has got more history. This place has got,
• 32:03
  Speaker 8: you know, there's a lot of older buildings.
• 32:05
  Speaker 7: There's a church that was built in the side of
• 32:08
  Speaker 7: a mountain, the Rock Church here. There are streets that
• 32:12
  Speaker 7: are cobblestone streets from hundreds of years ago that are
• 32:16
  Speaker 7: still in service, that still exist. And, you know, the
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: civic pride that is over here, being able to experience
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: a different culture, it's been so fascinating to The people
• 32:27
  Speaker 7: here are so nice. I mean, I was talking to
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: a few NHL folks and they were saying that you're
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: going to go to Helsinki and you're going to think
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: that Finnish people are so nice that it's the Canadians
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: who are actually mean.
• 32:39
  Speaker 8: They make Canadians look mean. That's how nice these people are.
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: And that is the reception that we've been getting. The
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: shop owners, the barkeepers, the coffee people. shops, everyone is
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: just so happy that we're here, that we're showcasing our league,
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: and we're bringing this showcase here. They come here every
• 32:58
  Speaker 7: other year between Helsinki, Stockholm, Tempere, also in Finland, but
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: they've rolled out the red carpet as a town and
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: as a community for both us and Carolina.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: Well, enjoy. We'll just be back here being Hellas. Uh, and, uh,
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: we'll be listening and watching and, uh, we'll talk to
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: you again next week. All right.
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: All right, fellas.
• 33:21
  Speaker 8: Thanks for the time. Take care.
• 33:23
  Speaker 7: We'll bring you home some, uh, some chocolate and maybe
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: I'll smuggle some salmon soup.
• 33:27
  Speaker 8: Maybe if it'll keep on the 10 hour flight.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: I'm going to skip the reindeer steaks, but, uh, yeah,
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: I'm all about the salmon.
• 33:34
  Speaker 8: I had reindeer.
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: I've had stewed and cured reindeer already. Um, Chris Brumwell,
• 33:41
  Speaker 7: who was our head of PR, he had bear.
• 33:44
  Speaker 8: The other day. And I guess it was pretty good.
• 33:47
  Speaker 8: It was a little gamey, but he would do the
• 33:51
  Speaker 8: bear again.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: Is that right? I think we can load up on salmon.
• 33:56
  Speaker 3: All right, man. You are the best. Have a great time.
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: And we'll talk to you again soon.
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: All right, fellas.
• 34:02
  Speaker 8: Take care.
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: All right.
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: Average fits you. So Thursday, 8.30 pregame with Anders. And
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  Speaker 3: then 9 o'clock, the actual puck will drop in Helsinki, Finland.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to be doing our show from the Bar
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  Speaker 3: All right, coming up next, the biggest story around these
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  Speaker 3: here parts, the NFL trading deadline is today. Is there
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: any movement at all? Come on, Schefter, break a story.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go.
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  Speaker 8: Lazy bum.
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• 35:12
  Speaker 3: Today is also NFL trade deadline day. And man, we
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: have been sans activity. I guess there was one minor
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  Speaker 3: trade that happened a little bit earlier, but I certainly
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  Speaker 3: am expecting a bit of a frenzy to take place
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  Speaker 3: before one o'clock. I mean, if Jacksonville didn't send the
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: message to the AFC yesterday, the championship is going to
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: run through us this year. I hate to, hate to,
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: Hate to destroy your Black Panther party, but yeah, the
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: AFC is coming through us this year. We were already
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  Speaker 3: one of the better, if not one of the best
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  Speaker 3: teams in the league, and we just got considerably stronger
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  Speaker 3: in a 24-hour period.
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  Speaker 5: Meanwhile.
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  Speaker 3: Buffalo Bills still haven't done anything. Kansas City Chiefs haven't
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  Speaker 3: done anything. And everybody's got holes. Every single team in
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: the National Football League has holes, and there are going
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: to be more holes created with injuries as they continue
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: to mount across the league as well. So I think
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: it would be, I mean, I think the word malpractice
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: gets overused in sports talk radio now, but let's just
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  Speaker 3: say you're caught sleeping at the wheel if you're not
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  Speaker 3: going to at least counter a Jacksonville move or a
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  Speaker 3: Seahawks move or if you're a team that considers yourself
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  Speaker 3: a contender and decides to sleep through the deadline.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm really curious about what some of these kind
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: of half teams do, like Pittsburgh Steelers. What do they do?
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: Looking at the Cleveland Browns, what do they do? Those
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: kind of teams in the middle there, even teams like
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: the Cowboys, right, who aren't having a good year, but
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: their division sucks, so they still have a chance to
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  Speaker 4: go and win it. Do they take advantage of... a
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  Speaker 4: market where there are a decent amount of contenders this
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  Speaker 4: year that would be willing to go all in, or
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: are we going to be like, Hey, we still have
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  Speaker 4: a chance to go win the division. Uh, so let's
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  Speaker 4: try and upgrade us even more, even though we don't
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  Speaker 4: really think we're a Superbowl contender at this point in time.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: That's the balance that, and then I look at the
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  Speaker 4: Los Angeles Rams who have on all accounts, the hardest
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  Speaker 4: schedule remaining in the NFL. Um, they're four and four. I, I,
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  Speaker 4: I don't know what you're thinking if you're them. You
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  Speaker 4: kind of went all in for this year before the year.
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  Speaker 4: So you kind of got to go on that along
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  Speaker 4: those lines. Yeah, there's no backing out now. And you're
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  Speaker 4: going to need a receiver. I mean, they're back in it.
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  Speaker 4: They're back in the race. They're not playing nearly as
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  Speaker 4: poorly as they were at the beginning of the year.
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  Speaker 4: But you're now down in Adams and in Akua at
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  Speaker 4: this point, and you are going to have– I mean,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: there are.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of receivers. If there is a position that
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: seems deep where you can find a suitable receiver, I
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: would think it is wide receiver. I'd be surprised if
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  Speaker 3: Josh Downs is not a Ram or a Kansas City
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  Speaker 3: Chief by 1 o'clock here today. I would think that
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  Speaker 3: the bell went off for the Rams to add something
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  Speaker 3: to their receiving core.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they probably need it now that you are down
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  Speaker 4: both of those guys, and it's not like they have
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  Speaker 4: tight ends to throw to anyway.
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  Speaker 3: Well, they do have a couple, Higby and Parkinson. But yes,
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  Speaker 3: I think that they should do something. I think a
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: lot of teams should do something. I think even the
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: Seahawks should consider doing a little bit more because other
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: chess moves have been made to kind of bloody the
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: waters here as we get ready to head down the stretch.
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: And the injuries are just mounting everywhere, just piling up
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  Speaker 3: on people. And even if I don't feel like I
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: have a hole, I'm going to look where I'm thinned.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I got a lot of football left to play.
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to end up a wide receiver short
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  Speaker 3: or a linebacker short or an edge rusher short. With
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: two weeks to go, the most important games of the
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: regular season.
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  Speaker 4: Especially with how many picks the Seahawks still have left.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. All right, Rick Neuheisel is going to join us next.
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  Speaker 3: He joins us every Tuesday at 9 on Sports Radio
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