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Ep. 442: Comedy Isn't Easy with Dan Ahdoot · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey, if you're an extremely careful listener to the show here,
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  Speaker 1: you probably remember us talking about my friend Tommy, known
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  Speaker 1: as the blue collar Scholar, has a I didn't know
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  Speaker 1: this was the thing that one could have. He has
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  Speaker 1: a wild cow milking team. It's a rodeo event. He
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  Speaker 1: reached out to us to sponsor his wild cow milking team.
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  Speaker 1: So me Eater is a sponsor of Tommy's wild cow
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  Speaker 1: milking team. Where you got a milk, a bottle of
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  Speaker 1: milk off of a wild cow or a mean cow maybe,
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  Speaker 1: and then for our sponsorship money, he's given us all
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  Speaker 1: his winnings back for conservation efforts. But he needed a
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  Speaker 1: wild cow milk and T shirt for his team. So
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  Speaker 1: our guy hunter Spencer made up the wild Cow Milking
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  Speaker 1: Team shirt. It's got our nome friend riding a cow
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  Speaker 1: who's bucking big ol' utter and he's holding up a
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  Speaker 1: big old jug of milk like the old days when
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  Speaker 1: they put milk in those glass jars and it says
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  Speaker 1: no them on the range. Tommy needed six I think
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  Speaker 1: for his team, but we made extras. If you want
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  Speaker 1: to buy one, I like mine a lot. Well, I'm
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  Speaker 1: warning X, I always like to wash them first, So
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  Speaker 1: go to the go to the Meat Eater store. We
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  Speaker 1: only have a handful of them. I wanted one, So
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  Speaker 1: now we got a handful of minus one, but we
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  Speaker 1: got some for sale. You can buy them and show
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  Speaker 1: solidarity with the blue collar scholar and his wild cow
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  Speaker 1: milking team. So go to the meat eater dot com
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  Speaker 1: and get your gets your wild cow milkin shirt.
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  Speaker 2: No them on the range, I got mine, suckers. If
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  Speaker 2: this is the Meat.
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  Speaker 1: Eater podcast coming at you, shirtless, severely, bug bitten, and
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  Speaker 1: in my case, underwear.
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  Speaker 2: Listeningcast, you can't predict anything.
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  Speaker 1: go farther, stay longer.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Dan, a dude is back. Add a dude
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  Speaker 2: in a boot? What do you got a boot on?
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  Speaker 2: I broke my ankle man rollerbladingt No?
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  Speaker 3: The next best thing, Steve Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Skiing? Oh really yeah? I know.
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  Speaker 4: I get no pity or sympathy when I say that
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  Speaker 4: I broke my ankle skiing?
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  Speaker 2: No, what do you think is gonna happen?
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  Speaker 5: Did you get to ride the cart down the mountain? Y?
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  Speaker 3: Yes? I did.
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  Speaker 4: It was my arms were crossed, I was laying down
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  Speaker 4: and someone was holding the sled and.
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  Speaker 2: Taking me down.
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  Speaker 4: It you had to feel like such a candy, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: because they lock your arms and you're like, you're like
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  Speaker 4: a little burrito, and they're like.
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  Speaker 2: All their training is coming into action.
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  Speaker 6: I don't even think Gwyneth Paltrow had had take the
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  Speaker 6: cart down.
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  Speaker 2: Do you want to hear the craziest thing.
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  Speaker 4: It was the same mountain as Gwyneth Paltrow and the
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  Speaker 4: guy that brought me down was involved in that court case.
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  Speaker 4: So did you asked him what he thought about the
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  Speaker 4: whole thing? I mean, he was team hashtag team Gwyneth.
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  Speaker 3: You guys got to fill me in. I'm not up
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  Speaker 3: on Gwyneth.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know about this.
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  Speaker 1: She hit an old man or an old man hit her,
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  Speaker 1: and I think some accusations where that he groped her too.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't hear that part. I think it was decided
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  Speaker 5: during the during the impact.
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  Speaker 2: So she that's the fan fiction version of the case.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's not actually true.
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  Speaker 3: Guy's fallen real tried to sue her.
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  Speaker 2: No, no, no, she initially thought she was being groped,
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  Speaker 2: but then she realized she was being crashed into.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, perhaps he sued her for a bunch of money.
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  Speaker 5: Then she countersued him for a dollar.
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  Speaker 7: I think it was the same day that Trump the
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  Speaker 7: Trump got arrested or whatever, So like I kind of
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  Speaker 7: got washed out of news.
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  Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say that he got right.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's why I trying to frame it was your
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  Speaker 7: injury due to a collision or just your.
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  Speaker 2: Own bad anybody on the way down.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, I was, and it's harder to do that, or
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  Speaker 4: did you just start with your own accord? You know
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  Speaker 4: what's really annoying? It was not at all. So I
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  Speaker 4: was skiing with my brother and my brother. I'm a
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna say objectively, I'm an amazing skier. Objectively, my
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  Speaker 4: brother is a pretty good skier. But well, why do
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  Speaker 4: you think you're such a good skill?
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  Speaker 3: I just know.
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  Speaker 2: I bet you're not better than Yannie.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we've never skied together, how would we not?
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  Speaker 6: Well, maybe he rates Yannis is amazing.
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  Speaker 4: Plus, yeah, you're so good, so good. My brother not
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  Speaker 4: as good? Pretty good, not as good. But he was
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  Speaker 4: going really fast, and it was like very reckless the
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  Speaker 4: way he was skiing. So I wanted to show him
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  Speaker 4: as the older brother. Hey, it's a sign of mastery
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  Speaker 4: when you can ski very controlled on a steep run.
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  Speaker 4: Let me show you. So we were on a steep
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  Speaker 4: run and I started skiing very controlled, and there was
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  Speaker 4: one of those you know, those little tiny water bottles
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  Speaker 4: like that give you on the airplane getting it on
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  Speaker 4: the plane. It was one of those without the label
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  Speaker 4: on it, so you couldn't see it. And I went
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  Speaker 4: right on top of it and flipped right over and
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  Speaker 4: something snapped in my ankle, and uh, next thing you know,
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  Speaker 4: I was being you know, taken down the mountain, emasculated
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  Speaker 4: in one of those little sleds.
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  Speaker 6: Great skier, weak ankles, to use disposable water, no plastics.
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  Speaker 2: Thing cost you that freaking ankle.
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  Speaker 3: They got me described this run that you were skiing.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to get an idea of how good of
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  Speaker 3: a skier you are.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, So it's it was like it was a double green.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't a single green. It was a double green.
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  Speaker 3: Making a joke.
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  Speaker 4: I'm making a joke that No, it was a it
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  Speaker 4: was a challenging run at Deer Valley.
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  Speaker 3: It was not.
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  Speaker 4: It wasn't wasn't the problem was this, They got so
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  Speaker 4: much snow this season that their season is going a
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  Speaker 4: lot longer than it normally does because they just have
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  Speaker 4: so much packed snow.
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  Speaker 2: So it's a lot hotter.
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  Speaker 4: So by one pm everything is slush, and slush is
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  Speaker 4: very dangerous to ski in.
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  Speaker 2: So why are you talking to He doesn't give you that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. Did you know that? I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what they do in Latvia? There's no mountains in Latvia.
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  Speaker 3: No. I went to the tallest point Latvia when I
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  Speaker 3: went and visited last fall, three hundred meters. You know
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  Speaker 3: how many feet feet that is?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, not many. We we parts and literally we're still chatting,
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  Speaker 3: and all of a sudden we stopped. I'm like, I
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  Speaker 3: look around, this is it? I mean it was a
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  Speaker 3: moil is incredible. Nicks Michigan's Thotle, Southern Michigan's little ski
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  Speaker 3: hills look big.
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  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, hit a little water bottle and knocked you over.
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  Speaker 2: It took me out, took me out, and then I went.
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  Speaker 1: To, uh, your fingerprint, that bottle watches that same guy
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  Speaker 1: that had the fingerprinted and it comes back as that
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  Speaker 1: same He was like some kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Physician, wasn't he? He was an eye doctor. The same
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  Speaker 2: eye doctor?
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  Speaker 3: Is that?
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  Speaker 1: Or he when he blasted Gwyneth Paltrow blasted so hard
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  Speaker 1: that came out of her pocket that.
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  Speaker 6: I would consult Gwyneth's people.
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  Speaker 2: I feel awkward to say goop on it.
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  Speaker 4: I would counter water bottle goop.
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  Speaker 2: I yeah. But then the skip.
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  Speaker 4: The nurse thought that it was just bruised. He was like,
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  Speaker 4: a bruise, You're fine, Just go home, You'll be okay.
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  Speaker 4: And then I called my buddy Mow, who's a North
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  Speaker 4: Peak surgeon. On the way home.
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  Speaker 2: He's like, he's like, dude, I think it's broke. Let
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  Speaker 2: me give you give me one second. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Dan A Dude is a comedian, actor, podcaster, food network
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  Speaker 4: show host, now author.
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  Speaker 2: His new book is called Undercooked.
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  Speaker 1: He was on a Long Time Ago in an episode
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  Speaker 1: called Eating with Your Enemy, the enemy being his friend Moe,
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  Speaker 1: where you and a Muslim go hunt. All you gotta
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  Speaker 1: do is right the rest of that joke. I finally
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  Speaker 1: tell I tell my kids that I was going to
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  Speaker 1: teach him all the dirty dirt, the dirty Dan jokes
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  Speaker 1: once they got their learner's permits.
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  Speaker 2: It seemed like a good age for driving. But I
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  Speaker 2: told him the don't mess with Uncle Jimmy when he's
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  Speaker 2: drinking the other night that went over real, Well, how
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  Speaker 2: what is it again?
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  Speaker 3: So okay, I don't know anything.
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  Speaker 5: Just tells you about okay.
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  Speaker 3: Sounds it sounds just exasperated.
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  Speaker 1: When Dirty Dan is, he gets in a lot of
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  Speaker 1: trouble at school for his foul mouth and his uh
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  Speaker 1: you know. And so Dirty Dan's and the day the
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: day's lesson in Dirty Dan's classes, you have to tell
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  Speaker 1: a story that has a moral. So you know, a
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  Speaker 1: little Susie gets up and she's like, my dad tore
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  Speaker 1: his seam on his jacket a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: It was too lazy to sew it up. And then
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  Speaker 2: she caught it on a he caught it on a
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  Speaker 2: branch and it now it's a huge hole. And she's like,
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  Speaker 2: what's the moral of that story? It's like, well, stitch
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  Speaker 2: in time saves nine, okay, And then you do one
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  Speaker 2: like my dad.
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  Speaker 1: We were pick collecting the eggs and we put them
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  Speaker 1: on one basket and my brother knocked the basket over,
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  Speaker 1: So don't put all your eggs and they all broke.
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: Don't put all your eggs in one basket. And Dirty
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  Speaker 1: Dan gets up and tells this horrific story about his
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  Speaker 1: uncle in Vietnam, and it involves his uncle getting extraordinarily drunk.
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  Speaker 1: And imagine like, just then you describe sort of the
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  Speaker 1: word war crimes you could fit into a joke tailored
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  Speaker 1: to your particular audience, and it ends with just like
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  Speaker 1: the most horrific scene of carnage and depravity, and the
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  Speaker 1: teachers like, what in the world is the moral of that?
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  Speaker 1: He's like, you know, Uncle Jimmy, when he's drinking, it's good. Yea,
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  Speaker 1: he beat that outfit.
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  Speaker 3: I'm always drinking.
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  Speaker 2: But a long joke. It's when you tell the thing.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, yes, what we're trying to say here, guys, is
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  Speaker 4: comedy is not easy.
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  Speaker 2: The moral of So what Phil said when Phil said,
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  Speaker 2: we know Mo, it's because when Dan a dude was
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  Speaker 2: on the show before, we spent a lot of time
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  Speaker 2: talking about his Muslim hunting buddy.
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  Speaker 8: Mo.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a great story and how they.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: Have and how the Israelis and the pal whoever around
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  Speaker 1: the world could find a lot of inspiration from this story.
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  Speaker 4: Uh yeah, And I mean, I don't know if if
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  Speaker 4: you're aware. I think I probably did tell you, but
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  Speaker 4: you that episode is the whole reason that this book happened,
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  Speaker 4: wouldn't have happened to me that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. So what blurb this book? You did?
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  Speaker 2: Blurb this book?
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  Speaker 1: Every time someone asked me the blurb a book, I
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  Speaker 1: always think I'm going to write them. I think I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to like spend weeks on it and write the
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  Speaker 1: most amazing like where the blurb is better than the book.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, a New York Times best selling blurb.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like people will buy it to read the blurb. Ye.
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  Speaker 2: And then in the end, I wrote, I.
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  Speaker 4: Just kind of put it in chat GPT.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: So I did the episode and my manager listened to
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  Speaker 4: it and she was like, this is a crazy story.
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  Speaker 4: You should write a movie about your friend Mo. You
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  Speaker 4: and you and your friend Mo do like a buddy comedy.
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  Speaker 4: So I wrote an outline for a movie and it
• 12:03
  Speaker 4: was was really crappy, and she was like, why don't
• 12:05
  Speaker 4: you just do some free writing, write about why you
• 12:08
  Speaker 4: love food so much?
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  Speaker 2: Who told you do this?
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  Speaker 4: My manager? Your manager told you to do some free writing,
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  Speaker 4: she said, do some free writing. Like I was in
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  Speaker 4: sixth grade.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you could go down and do that at my
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: kid's school. Those guys. Yeah, free writing.
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  Speaker 3: Do some free writing daydream for ten minutes beforehand. Then
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  Speaker 3: then you do some free writing.
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  Speaker 2: Writing means that happened to you this summer, free writing,
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  Speaker 2: meaning you don't get paid for it, exactly.
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  Speaker 4: She did not get ten percent of that free writing.
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  Speaker 4: And I wrote this whole story that about you know,
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  Speaker 4: growing up and my relationship with my dad and why
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  Speaker 4: I got into food and all this stuff. She's like,
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  Speaker 4: this is cool, but it doesn't feel like a movie.
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  Speaker 4: It could be like a chapter of a book.
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  Speaker 2: Can you write?
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  Speaker 4: Do you have two more chapters in you? So I
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  Speaker 4: wrote two more chapters.
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  Speaker 2: Got your manager's like, motherly.
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  Speaker 4: She's awesome, she's killer Aaron Brown, shout out. And so
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  Speaker 4: one chapter was my relationship with my dad. The second
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  Speaker 4: one was about returning a dish at the number one
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  Speaker 4: restaurant in the world the day that it was crowned
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  Speaker 4: the number one restaurant in the world, which was true story.
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  Speaker 2: And then you know.
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  Speaker 4: And then the third one was about buying a gun
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  Speaker 4: in a gun store. And what you have to go
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  Speaker 4: through is someone, for someone who doesn't know anything about guns,
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: being in a gun store, it's like the worst experience ever. Anyway,
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  Speaker 4: So I wrote those three. She sent it to a
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  Speaker 4: LID agent. Lid agent was like, these are good chapters,
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  Speaker 4: and a month later pitched it to Crown Publishing and
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: there was like a bidding war with two different publishers
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  Speaker 4: and they ended up buying it. And a month later like,
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  Speaker 4: I had to start writing a book and I'm not
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  Speaker 4: a freaking book writer.
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  Speaker 2: Authors, I'm not a book writer.
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  Speaker 4: And yeah, then I spent the whole year writing this book,
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  Speaker 4: all because of your podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So how did your manager and the agent split the cut?
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  Speaker 2: They didn't. She didn't pull ten into the agent pulled fifteen.
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  Speaker 4: Hold on, Steve, before we get into that, I feel
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  Speaker 4: like you need to get better at accepting praise. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: is this something that happens a lot in your life?
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  Speaker 4: I was saying, I was thanking you, Oh, I'm sorry
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  Speaker 4: for and then you're like, what's the cut?
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  Speaker 2: What is the agent?
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  Speaker 3: Manager?
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  Speaker 2: Let's get down to brass tacks.
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  Speaker 4: I'm thanking you for creating this platform which created the
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  Speaker 4: space to create this book.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you. Oh you're welcome.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right now, agent gets ten percent, manager gets
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  Speaker 4: another ten percent, lawyer gets five percent. I ended up
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  Speaker 4: I end up walking with like three percent.
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  Speaker 2: After all, a sudden done, you called, Are you sure
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  Speaker 2: I'm only supposed to get three?
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  Speaker 3: I remember when I told you a free writing.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, you know what I uncovered recently and you'll appreciate this.
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  Speaker 1: All three of you so not you, but Yanni, Callahan
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  Speaker 1: and Brody all have spent time as.
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  Speaker 2: Trout guides. Trout fishing guides.
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  Speaker 1: I have just in the last two weeks met two
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  Speaker 1: people who I had to have legal arguments with where
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  Speaker 1: they're out of staters fishing guided trout trips in Montana
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  Speaker 1: and the guides are telling them their preferences as though
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  Speaker 1: it's codified by law. I had the longest argument with
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  Speaker 1: someone telling me you are not allowed to kill a
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  Speaker 1: trout on the gallat And River.
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  Speaker 2: Illegal.
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  Speaker 1: It's not illegal. That was your guide telling you that.
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  Speaker 1: I had another person that said on the Big Hole River, no,
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  Speaker 1: not only can't you kill a trout on the Big Hole,
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  Speaker 1: you cannot use a barb on a hook on the
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  Speaker 1: entirety of the Big Hole River. Like that was just
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  Speaker 1: someone's that's what how someone is making you do it. No, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: that's the law. They told me.
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  Speaker 3: How are you running into these fly fisher folks?
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  Speaker 1: One I was talking to on the phone, and their name.
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  Speaker 2: Is Tracy e. Y. Who's the other one? Tell me
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  Speaker 2: the other thing? The other thing was.
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  Speaker 1: A a well known, very well known.
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  Speaker 4: Sportscaster who's even done the Olympics.
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  Speaker 3: Do you trust everything on the teleprompter? You ask him?
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  Speaker 2: That not an estimate? You guys. I thought you guys
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  Speaker 2: had more to say about that. Well, I have something
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  Speaker 2: to say about it.
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  Speaker 4: I say, you started this whole thing by saying something
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  Speaker 4: that you three guys have in common, but Dan doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: Is that you Well, did you try? Did you see guide?
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  Speaker 2: T Fisher?
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  Speaker 4: That's your assumption, is that I did not guide because
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  Speaker 4: I just read all the stuff you do well comedian, actor, podcaster,
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  Speaker 4: food network show host and author.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, Crin. Did you leave fishing guy?
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  Speaker 3: For sure, you spend time as a fly fishing guide.
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  Speaker 3: It would be top of the list.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I don't like to lead with it, okay, And
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: that I was given. I was given a word count
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  Speaker 4: that I had to you know, I got to the
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  Speaker 4: end of it. We didn't have room for it.
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  Speaker 5: He once broke his ankle while he was guiding.
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  Speaker 2: I did. There was stuff, A little little pebble there.
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  Speaker 5: Was, but stealing back you just don't appreciate the subterfuge there.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: I just feel like.
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: It's a little bit to take impressionable people who you're
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: introducing to something and and create and taking like your
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: personal preferences and acting like your personal preferences are codified
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: by law, just to save yourself any argument. They're like, well,
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: why can't I keep a fish going? Like wow, because
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: I just don't want you to. I don't like the
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: sight of blood. I don't want to get it all slimy.
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I need to catch this fish tomorrow.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: It's to be like, you can't. It's against the wall.
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: All those are little five dollars and ten dollars bills
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: swimming around the river.
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: So saying that, they're like, it's against the wall and
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: they don't have to hear about it all day.
• 18:17
  Speaker 8: That's just a lie though.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: That's like how people talk to their kids right like said,
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: it's illegal.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: You can't do that, yeah, because God will strike you down.
• 18:26
  Speaker 5: Right now, there are where those things are true, just
• 18:30
  Speaker 5: not on those.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Groups I know.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: But yes, I'll tell let's see, you know what, I'll
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: save it for the next group of people on another
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: episode and not bring it up.
• 18:39
  Speaker 8: Then, No, just keep bringing it up.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring it up with some people who
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: are like, well, that won't stand. That's what That's what
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: I'd like to hear. Here.
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: I got to who are they fishing with? I'm gonna
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: call this fly shop?
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: No.
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: I remember I was looking for Brodie. I was looking
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: for when I was a young guy working at Fishing Outfitters,
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: or even before I was working there. I took the
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Guide class. I remember there were several discussions within that
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: week of learning. This is how you address the address.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Deal with a client that says I would like to
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: eat trout for.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Lunch, You tell them it's illegal.
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: I mean there was a long lend, but a lot
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: of it was made up.
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: Never one would be they don't taste good. Why would
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: you want to kill this poor animal? It doesn't taste good?
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: No, No, I know that I would like them it's illegal.
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: Well, if it's illegal, why would you lead with it
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: doesn't taste good?
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: On the cake? I sing on the cake.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: Just so you know, towards the end of my guide
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: and career, I'd let people bonk one now and then
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: because you.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Knew you were getting out of it. There wasn't it.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: That's what you're ready from pillage.
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: On your way out, I selected species where I'm like,
• 20:00
  Speaker 6: if we catch this or this, absolutely, and it'd be like,
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: you know, rainbow trout or lake trout on cutthroat, cutthroat water,
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: cold water.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: I remember one time, I remember Rob Waters. He wasn't
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: quite he wasn't on the fly fishing train yet. He
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: would have been a rafting guide, but would also take
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: some fishing clients if the rafting company had fishing clients
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: or people interested in fishing. Oh yeah, I got a
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: couple of spin rods in the truck, and you know
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: we'll bring them along.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Can you start that story over again?
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: Sure?
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I got confused.
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: This fishing guide, Rob Waters that we later worked with
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: a lot who became a was at some point probably
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: the number one guy at that fly shop for quite
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: a few years, which just means you're like, you're into it,
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: You're gonna work a lot. But I had already started
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: as a fly fishing guide. He was a rafting guide,
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: I see, But would if they had interested fishing clients
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: or if people interested in fishing coming rafting. He said,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: oh yeah, I got some.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: Oh so someone books a rafting trip and they're like, hey,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: is there any chance we could catch a trout?
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah. Or they just happened to call the
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: rafting company instead of the fly shop because it would
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: be half priced for a fishing trip, and Rob would say, sure,
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: I'll take them.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: That's a sharp thinker, right there. You call for a
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: float trip to fish and they're like, how much this.
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: It's probably not going to work out the way you
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: wanted to.
• 21:21
  Speaker 3: Most of the time, you're not going to do a
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: lot of catch.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: I got what you're saying. Yeah, you might get for
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: half his month, half the money, you might get half
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: the experience. Yeah, if you're lucky.
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: Brody's trying to protect the industry down there. Go ahead, Dan,
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: you got you want to interrupt him too? Yeah, thank you,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: this is your show now, Thank you so much. Thanks
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: for thanks for having you. Guys have been great so far.
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: What okay, call me an ignorant and I'm curious about
• 21:46
  Speaker 4: where his story's going. Well, I had Yes, I am
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: curious about it, but wait, I thought we got there.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: I can get there.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I thought we got there.
• 21:55
  Speaker 3: There was no punchline yet. I'm curious about it, but
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: not in a way that I want to hear.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Very quickly yes, yes, I had.
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Befriended Rob and he was asking about becoming a fly
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: fishing guy. And one day he's eddied out and I'm which,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: you know what that means, right, He's pulled off on
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: the side of the river and some recriculating water and
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: I'm floating by towards the end of the day, and
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: we give that how was how was the fishing today?
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Whatever?
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: And Rob reaches down between his legs and pulls up
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: a stringer and there's a couple of dandies and my
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: clients says, are like, hold on what I'm like and
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I'm supposed to act, you know, as a fly fishing guy.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: It's like, oh, that dirty bastard, how could he do?
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: You do such a thing? And it was so funny
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: that for me, I forgot about it an hour later.
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: Rob for years would just be I can't believe I
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: ever did that, And that was me back then. I
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: showed those fish like that to you and I'm so
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: sorry and it was the wrong thing to do, and
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: oh it was, but yeah, I'll never forget how was
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: your day? And he just you know, that was just
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: something that you didn't You never would look at a
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: guy in a driftboat and expect that. Right, he's in
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: a raft. How's your day? And he reaches his legs
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: and just pulls the string white.
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: So okay, so what is I'm assuming it would be
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: illegal to catch these trout?
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Is that?
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: What?
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: No? What? What is the no?
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: But then why is it crazy for someone to be like,
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: I want to have trout for lunch because of.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: It's not the culture and the perception and oftentimes just
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: what your your guide of the day wants to do. Right,
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: it's like, well, yeah, we're not going to do that.
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: We're going to fish this way, and I don't want
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: to deal with your fish in my cooler, or there's
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: idea that you.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: Just I don't want anyone killing him because then I
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: can't catch them.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: And there's a culture of catching release associated with trout.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Trout got it in.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: A recent episode four thirty four, name My mule Deer
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: can Kick Your White tails ass.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: That was a great title.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: That's a great title.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I argue with Tony Peterson about whether hunting mule deer
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: is better than hunting white tail. Apparently I didn't know
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: this till the other day. People have taken Are you
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: sure that.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: This is the quote? They're talking about. Yeah, I know
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: that I said some stuff on Rogan show.
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: It modes I I know exactly what this is. People
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: are doing it all over the place because I took
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: that little clip from Rogan yep, followed it up with
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: a picture of a big mule deer buck that I shot.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: That thing has like a million views and and a
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: lot of other people started doing it.
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: Oh, so you mean it's a quote.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: I think it was. It wasn't from when I was
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: talking to Tony Peterson. I think it was something from
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: one I was talking about.
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: Like, okay, they may have mistaken that.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: What was the clip?
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: What is it?
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Just talking about why I like Muldier?
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Like for some reason, if I said to you, like
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: if you said, I like, you know, chocolate ice cream
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: better than vanilla.
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: Ice cream, you know, because I don't know tastes chocolate. Okay,
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: no one's gonna get pissed.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: But for some reason, if you say that you like
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Muldier a lot better than White Tails people, it's like
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: people get mad about it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I don't understand it.
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: So casey Uh and Tyler from The Element they say
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: it's a real punch below the belt in.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: The Midwest and down South.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: M they like them white Tail Deer as do I
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: it's not as much so point being the best argument.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: We have a show with the Element guy. It's called
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: buck Truck, which you can go watch on YouTube, and
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: they got a Kansas episode up, which is, uh maybe
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the best argument in favor of white Tail. So for
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: you're cruising around on YouTube looking for stuff, well, you
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: know what, when you watch YouTube these days, I know
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: it's like personalized.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Do you always get the guy who's like carbs burn
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: fat right, yes? Wrong, yes, sweets burn fat or whatever
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: he's talking about. I wonder how that.
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: Guy how much money they've spent on that time that guy.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Not only that, but if you now realize that there
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: are ads that are basically what you just said, there's
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: a dude now that doesn't add that starts off with
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: hey are you on YouTube? And you're always getting ads
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: from the guy that can tell you this, well, guess
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: what his ship's real? Like he's selling it for that guy.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Like they're just.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Very metal, it's very meta. They're doubling your head, sits
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: on your body right, wrong.
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: They haven't got I still can't tell you what they're
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: selling or what the what.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: One days on there. Bananas are good? Right, Oh yeah,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: he's got worse. Yeah, he's got five seconds.
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, what one of these five foods is tank and
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: your testosterone?
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: Anybody.
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: I haven't watched it to the end, but I watched
• 27:14
  Speaker 7: about a minute and a half, in which I never
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: do because I'm like, let me see where this goes.
• 27:18
  Speaker 7: And he doesn't pitch anything a product, an idea. He
• 27:20
  Speaker 7: just keeps going on about carbs and stuff, like, what
• 27:23
  Speaker 7: are you trying to sell me?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll give a dollar to whoever can watch long
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: enough to find out which of those foods is killing
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: my tea my testosterone.
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: It's like bananas. No, but I mean I from.
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: Him because I eat all the foods. He's like these
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: your head sits on your body?
• 27:42
  Speaker 8: Right, wrong, it's probably it's probably like the longer you
• 27:46
  Speaker 8: keep that running, like some hacker somewhere gets all your information.
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: Maybe he's making money on the ad, on the ad
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: revenue and the actually yeah.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't make money on ads. You spend money.
• 28:01
  Speaker 6: He's spending of a video that doesn't actually go anywhere,
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: and it's and you just type in wait till the end, right,
• 28:10
  Speaker 6: And then finally you're.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Like well, it's like an old sign in bars to
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: say free beer tomorrow.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure there's gonna be a few
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: folks that write in so answer.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: He does the thing.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if they're real or not, but
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of his ads. Now, I'm just bringing this
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: all up because when you go, I'm just preparing you
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: from when you go watch the buck Truck by the element.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: You want to watch some sweet white tail videos, you.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: Gont have to wait long enough. You got wait five seconds,
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: you can skip it. So I always get five seconds
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: of this guy, and a lot of times he's on
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: the way they do it. It's like, are the real podcasts?
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: He's like a podcast guest. So he'll be sitting there
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: with headphones on talking to some other guy who's got
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: headphones on.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: He's like, he's like these five soup one of these
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: five superfoods isn't a superfood.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: It's lowering your titosterone. Yeah, he and he it's clicking, Wait, damn,
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: which one is?
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: It's way But then the skip ad comes up and
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: I skip. I never found out what the hell's going on.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: Then I'm sitting there chilling with the watching buck Truck.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: And wondering the whole time, what was that one food is?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: He like, man, that's a sweet buck, but were the
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: same food is killing.
• 29:17
  Speaker 6: The same dude with the cup coffee? And and he's
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: like after GM, somebody's like, what the hell is in
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: your coffee cup? And he's like slinging some kind of
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: who knows. But I always think at that point, I'm like,
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: never in a million years would I ever turn to
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: somebody at the gym and be like, what the hell's
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: in your car? I'm like, I give a ship, what's
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: in your coffee cup? Don't talk to me?
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: You know it worked.
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: Look at how much free advertising we're giving this guy.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: Unclear on what is I'm unclear on what is being sold.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Anyhow, Go to YouTube type in the element buck truck.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: The guy will come on about whatever he's going on about,
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: and then you'll get a little bit mildly curious, and
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: then skip ad will come up. You'll skip the ad,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: watch buck truck, and then later you can lay in
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: bed at night wondering what was it? What you're eating it?
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: You shouldn't be.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: I think mule deers are better than whitetail.
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: No, and yeah, and the Element will make you fall
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: in love with white tails all over again. Speaking of
• 30:27
  Speaker 4: white tails, Clay had an amazing story about his pet deer,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: and it prompted someone to write in about they had
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: a pet deer.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, they got this deer. It's got a collar.
• 30:37
  Speaker 8: On, got a dog harness, it's got a.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Dog harness on.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: They want t shirts.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: They collect all of its sheds over the years. It
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: ate its button buck sheds. But the thing I like
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: about the thing, the deer ate its own button buck sheds.
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: It's like a rabbit eating his own pellets.
• 30:56
  Speaker 3: It looks like an awesome place to grow up. I
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: like to picture with him. He says, it's his sister,
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: but she must be a lot older.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: That's got to be his ma.
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Well, there's three turkeys behind him in that one picture.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: This kid, this guy had a great, great childhood.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: It was a very loving pet deer, he goes on
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: to say, and would like to snuggle. But if it
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: was the rut, it did not want to snuggle.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: Men, why wouldn't they chop the balls off of the deer?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you why.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: When he was going bow hunting for deer, he would
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: snuggle that deer as cover scent. You weren't here when
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: Clay Clay's pet deer. One time, He's sitting in the
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: woods and here comes his pet deer with another buck,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: which Clay killed. No, and then his deer came up
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: and actually put nuzzled Clay.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Like it was a Judas deer.
• 31:56
  Speaker 8: Wow, it's like his new hunting buddy.
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: This is the buddy common of the year about Yeah,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: guy and his deer.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: It would lure in. It would lure and de would
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: go out and find bucks and bring bucks back to
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Clay for Clay to kill. Come on, let's hang bro,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: you gotta come hang out here. Yeah, that is some.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: That's some like h Rosendale. What was that family? They
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: the people we executed the husband and wife? Oh Linnburg
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: baby on No the spot, Socco and venz Eddie. Yeah,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: no Rosenbergs or something like that. They're like communists or something.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, here's an interesting article and I like the story,
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: but then it goes goes direction.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not crazy, but where was this? This is oh.
• 32:46
  Speaker 8: CBC Canadian Broadcasting.
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: British Columbia.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Prince George, British Columbia. Man driving down the road and
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: got concussed by a ruffed grouse that came blasting through
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: his virtually open window, knocked him senseless, knocked the driver
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: so senseless that when he comes to, he can't figure
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: out why there's a grouse in his truck.
• 33:11
  Speaker 8: Because the grouse is also knocked.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: It canst the grouse. They were mutually concussed.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: The grouse resuscitates, he resuscitates, He films the grouse, opens
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: the door, and the grouse gets away. Here's where the
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: story takes a strange turn. They actually went to an
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: ornithologist to learn this, that it's odd that the grouse
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: could have gotten through a cracked window and hit the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: man in the head.
• 33:46
  Speaker 8: They're doing some real background journalism.
• 33:48
  Speaker 3: And.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: They went to an ornithologist to say, what are your
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: what's your take on this? I don't believe that the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: ground to what she said, Wow, if the window is
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: only open four inches, that seems like uh unlikely. Does
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: does he have That's that's hard hitting? That's hard hitting.
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: Associates degree in physics also like the or like come on.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: They went to an ornithologist did tell them how fast
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: were you going?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Exactly?
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: The ornithologist said it was a one in a million shot.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Which I don't believe and how is he qualified?
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Like he's an ornithology in the ornithology community, that is
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: something that's studied.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: It's like the third year of ornithology school. Train a
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: leaves the Chicago with this individual.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: This individual that was concosted by the grouse is an
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: elected official. Okay, the plot in tribal politics. They said
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: that they feel they're the only they feel that they're
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: the only elected official. This individual that was struck said,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: I can one guarantee this is a oh, I can
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: guarantee that I'm the only elected official in Canada to
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: ever get hit in the face by a grouse while driving.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: CBC News has not been able to verify this claim.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: They should ask the ornithologist. He knows he's got all
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: the weird knowledge.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: As of publication time, they had contacted seventy two percent
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: of all elected officials to ever serve in Canada and
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: have been so far, but has not been able to
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: absolutely verify his claim.
• 35:35
  Speaker 6: The good folks at the CBC are going to stick
• 35:37
  Speaker 6: with this one. See it through.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: This is a new take on trail camp problems. I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: have shared that I had a trail cam at my
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: fish shack and one of my buddy's wives went back
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: to pee by the camera and I still haven't gotten
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: my card back.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: That one's just gone.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Now this guy, this guy, he writes in to say this,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to give his name.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Does he give his name?
• 35:57
  Speaker 8: Nope?
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Oh does he didn't even give his name.
• 35:59
  Speaker 8: He just said a loyal fan.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: I have a slightly embarrassing trail cam story. I'd prefer
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: not to use my name for reasons that will become obvious.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I'm a divorced dad last summer started dating an amazing
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: divorced woman. This sounds like a match made in heaven.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: They have seven kids between them. His his gal is
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: a dairy farmer. Yeah, I'm in you got it. Yeah,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: seven kids between them, it's hard to find alone time.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: So they go back to a meadow back behind the
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: dairy farm to do what he has put in quotes
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: to picnic.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: M he's using picnic as a euphemism because it's in quotes.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: That's so wholesome.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: Some neighbors.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Approached later to say, heads up, we have a trail
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: came back in that meadow, f y.
• 37:02
  Speaker 8: I oh no. They approached one of their teenage sons
• 37:10
  Speaker 8: who was driving a tractor in that that's right?
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: Would you mind telling your mom we have a trail
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: camp pointed at that medal, he says, well, sure, but why.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Don't worry just tell her.
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: Savage, I don't know why he's embarrassed. Who the guy
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: that caught got caught on a trail cam making sweet
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: light love to it? I don't know that.
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: I mean, I know he was picnicking.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: He was picnicking. You do not want to see someone
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: picnicking on your trail cam.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: You think he should be proud of that.
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think there's any reason for embarrassment.
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: I think the fact that they would go to the
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: seventeen year old child and tell him rather than going
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: to the adults. They should be the ones who are embarrassed,
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: the trailcam people.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:04
  Speaker 6: Man, life on the farm is different though, Like there's
• 38:06
  Speaker 6: a lot of love making, there's a lot of dying
• 38:08
  Speaker 6: going on around you all the time.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Doug says life and death on the farm. Yeah,
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: he should start saying love and death on the farm.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: A lot of confusion around dire wolves and a lot
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: of fighting. Seth Morris is even waded into this fight
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: and he's.
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Not here today. We had an episode called archaeology OG.
• 38:26
  Speaker 8: That's what it was called, the the og of archaeology.
• 38:30
  Speaker 8: Why'd you change it around, It's just shorthand.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: The og of archaeology. And we had a debate about
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: dire wolves. Were dire wolves ever? In Alaska?
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Mike Cunns followed up. The body of research on dire
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: wolves indicates they evolved in the Western Hemisphere, probably North America,
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: and spread into Central and South America in the late
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Plasis scene. They first appear in the paleontological record about
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: a quarter million years ago, becoming extinct at the end
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: of the place is seen about thirteen thousand years ago.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: They appear to have been a creature of the temperate,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: geographical and climatic zones. Only five records of dire wolves
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: come from areas north of forty two degrees latitude, which
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: is Chicago, like a warm weather southern wolf. The furthest
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: North example fifty degrees comes from Medicine Hat Alberta. If
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: you want to get a sense of like furthest North
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: and what that means as an outlider, I mean a
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: mountain lion once turned up where the Mackenzie River flows
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: into the you know, the Mackenzie Delta where the Mackenzie
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: River flows into the Arctic Ocean. Its ears had been
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: frozen off and part of its tail was frozen off.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: But that's like a northern extreme where Seth ways into.
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: This is Seth's taken to watch and listening to the guy.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: That's a guy to a gold miner that's been pulling
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: out a bone out of the ground in Alaska. And
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: it sounds like this guy is saying he can't turn
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: around without there being a dire wolf laying there. But
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's having genetic lines extracted from
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: those or what what.
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know how he knows what he's looking at.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: I mean, no, don't disrespect I covered that pretty well.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Uh yeah, have you watched any of that? Uh?
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: It like for folks who like picking stuff up off
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: the ground, like everybody in this room does. Like it's
• 40:30
  Speaker 6: it's fascinating. What is because your jealousy is so high,
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: like watching that dude digging the dirt all.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Day oh yeah, yeah, sneaking there at night, oh yeah.
• 40:42
  Speaker 6: And it's like they they can hydrologically mine, right, so
• 40:49
  Speaker 6: they can hit high pressure hose this hillside and just
• 40:52
  Speaker 6: like watch like Mammoth Tuss cave out.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Of it and you're just like, what have I been
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: doing with my life? Terrible?
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Clint Eastwood's Pale Rider?
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, one man.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like a Preacher and in the end he
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: gets so pissed he goes and puts his little preacher
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: collar in a lock box and takes his two pistols out.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of hydraulic mining in that movie. It's
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: pretty interesting.
• 41:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that was They used some extras.
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Out of Missoula, did they for that Pale Rider?
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Yep?
• 41:23
  Speaker 6: Yeah, so it must have been filmed somewhere out here.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: You ever seen a very similar plot line? Have you
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: seen Willie Nelson's Redheaded Stranger? No? I never have.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: Oh god, it's a good movie and such a good album.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: Shot another preacher, Yeah, shot her so quick.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Time to Warner. Is there a hydraulic mining in that
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: Redheaded Stranger? No, Pale Rider, A lot of it.
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: You guys are very good on going off on tangents
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: like fantastic, this.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: Is all like lockstep dude. Well, okay, we went with.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: Went to hydraulic mining and priests collar, Priest collar brought
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: us to Willie Nelson song No movie.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: I mean that's pretty amazing. Well, No, I was more
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: on preachers. Who was the Preacher? Pay a little clip
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: of that? Maybe film the Time of the Preacher when
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: the story began.
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: The scene where he goes and pulls pulls his guns
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: out out of the lock box because he has to
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: go to a bank or maybe it's a post office.
• 42:41
  Speaker 6: I assume it's a bank, goes and it has to like,
• 42:45
  Speaker 6: you know, stand in line, pull his box.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Out of his six shooters.
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: Hell, he takes the time to pull his his preacher's
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: collar off and put it in there, like, well, that'll
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: be there when I need it.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: There's a harrowing scene in it where some old time
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: drunk he it's this huge nugget, yeah, like a huge
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: like he's like carrying it two hands and brings it
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to the bad guys and they first they shoot his
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: nugget all the pieces and then blow them all the hell.
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: Right, because the bad have the big operation and these
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: guys are all plaster miners that are sticking to their claims,
• 43:18
  Speaker 6: but the big operation is buying out their claims. And
• 43:21
  Speaker 6: this guy strikes this nugget of untold wealth. That means
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: he will never give up his claim. And he's in
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: town living it up. And uh, he's got a couple
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: of boys too, a couple of sons, and he's basically
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: sticking it in the nose of the owner of the
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: big height, the big mine, and uh and uh, yeah,
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: it's a great scene, rubbing it in the face.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: You want to hear a tangent, but I'm not gonna
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: do it.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: You know that album Redheaded Stranger and the movie, there's
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: a great line on that album. Now the preaching is
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: over and the killing's begun.
• 44:06
  Speaker 6: Oh that's a great one.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: I thought you're in someday where maybe I'm a bad
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: guy and you're a preacher vice versa.
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: I thought you're gonna go Sergio Leoni, so I would
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: have gone Sergio Leoni over to Once upon a Time
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: in Hollywood.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Mhmo. Yeah, that's good stuff.
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: You guys ever watched that? I don't. I don't like it.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: But the kids show Octinouts.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: I think my kids watched it back, and that's the
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: one where they go around underwater investigating different critters.
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: And they changed it recently where now they can do
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: land animals too. But there's a song and the old
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: one that goes creature report, Creature Report. I remember that
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: in the middle it's like dance break and they dance
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: Brody's gonna do a creature report.
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, this is a funny one.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: Chester going to cover.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Creature report.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: No, this one's great, this is awesome. We we've talked
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: about the the well, it's not proposed the wolf planned
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: wolf freetru introduction in Colorado bunch, even though there's already
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: wolves moving in there on their own. They're going to
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: go forward with this plan. And uh, it turns out
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: they're having a real struggle getting wolves to reintroduce, which
• 45:30
  Speaker 5: I think is is kind of funny. No one wants
• 45:32
  Speaker 5: to give them any We are working hard to make
• 45:36
  Speaker 5: this happen, they say, we're we're on schedule to meet
• 45:39
  Speaker 5: our obligation to restore and manage gray wolves. That's Dan Gibbs,
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: executive director of the Colorado d n R. To meet
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: the deadline, Colorado needs wolves and their Their main sources
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: that they're looking to are are, of course, Idaho, Montana,
• 45:56
  Speaker 5: and Wyoming. And uh, it turns out that these states
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: are not willing to cooperate, even even though Colorado is saying,
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: you know, this is where they're going to get the wolves.
• 46:11
  Speaker 5: Greg Lemon from MFWP says, we have not been and
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: are not in conversations about wolving moving wolves to another state.
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: To be clear, we have not talked to and are
• 46:23
  Speaker 5: not talking to Colorado about moving wolves. An Idaho spokesperson
• 46:27
  Speaker 5: said the states have not had any formal conversations, and
• 46:31
  Speaker 5: Wyhoming says Wyoming is opposed to sending wolves to Colorado.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: So their three main sources don't seem to be willing
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: to support the reintroduction, which I think is pretty interesting.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: Why can't they get some of those same bad mother
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: liquors they sent down from Canada when they did the
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl?
• 46:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that that guy you know that well, the guy
• 46:54
  Speaker 6: that he knows knows the guy who trapped him.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: That they pot with the stick found the meanest ones.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure they might have to go back to
• 47:01
  Speaker 5: that source. But Colorado goes on to say they've had
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: conversations with Washington and Oregon also, but a Washington spokesperson
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: said they aren't sure what Colorado means about exploring an
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: agreement that could be on their end where they've just
• 47:19
  Speaker 5: done some research, we've had formal zero formal discussion. Oregon
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: has a similar response, and so for some reason, Colorado
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: also listed Utah as a possible source when Utah doesn't
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: even have any established packs and they're very against Colorado
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: reintroducing wolves because those wolves will just wander over into Utah.
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: So we'll see if Colorado gets it done by the deadline,
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: which is I think the end of this year.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Inadvertently or unintentionally, Wyoming has already stock has they have
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: There has been natural migration of wolves into Colorado. And
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: just to revisit this from the start, it was kind
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: of a strange irony is that at the same time
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: that this ballot initiative in Colorado, which the wording is
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit complicated, but basically a ballot initiative calling
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: for a wolf reintroduction in Colorado, at the same time
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: that that was making its way through the process, the
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: nature accomplished the goal and they had natural migration of
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: wolves into Colorado, which I thought negated the whole conversation.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: But now certain key advocates for this are saying, oh,
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: that won't happen nearly fast enough, even though which I don't.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I haven't understood the logic of it, where why you'd
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: want to do something where you voiced like, why do
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: something so controversial when what you want is happening in
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: such a subtle, natural, uncontroversial.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Way, and that.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: The end result in twenty years time, thirty years time,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: you're gonna land in the same place.
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: Yep, exactly.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: It's been like a puzzling it's been a puzzling move.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: Just let nature do its thing. This is all about nature,
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: but we need it on our timeline, right, Yeah, it
• 49:27
  Speaker 6: makes zero sense. It's the approval under this administration is
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: what's what's driving it, right, And it's like, well, the
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: law says that we have to follow through on this
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: citizen's initiative and that has to happen on our timeline
• 49:44
  Speaker 6: or else it won't get done and we'll be in
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: violation of whatever the Colorado State constitution I imagine. But
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: on citizens' initiatives.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what puzzles me about the citizens initiatives says like
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: you have to do exploration and move toward the goal
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: of restoring wolves in Colorado.
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: Find suitable areas to put them.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: And yeah, so how would you not how would the
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: plan not be? And and I'll clarify, like I have
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: no animosity toward wolves, I have no animosity toward any
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: native wildlife. Uh, but just looking at it in a
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: social management scenario, why would the plan not be just
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: to not why would the plan not be just to
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: manage the wolves that are now in Colorado getting a
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: toe hold? How does I don't say how like i'd
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: have to have like a legal person explained. Why does
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: that not satisfy the question?
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: I think it might be that there was a.
• 50:39
  Speaker 5: Timeline attached to that that ballot initiative, like they needed
• 50:44
  Speaker 5: to be on the ground by x. There needed to
• 50:47
  Speaker 5: be x number of wolves by X date.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: Was part of the original plan.
• 50:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah, like what what was the There is a number,
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: I've I've read it. I know y like what reintroduction
• 51:02
  Speaker 6: means and what satisfies like the population.
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: And there's still I think there's still questions regarding how
• 51:11
  Speaker 5: these wolves will be managed, whether they'll fall under the
• 51:14
  Speaker 5: ESA or whether they'll be an experimental population, which you
• 51:19
  Speaker 5: have big impacts on how they can be managed.
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: If they didn't put them in, they would they wouldn't
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't be under experimental right exactly.
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: But if they're introduced, they may very well fall under
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: that category.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I want to touch on this real quickly.
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: This is a This is like a little gamble people
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: make when they're doing in dangerous pieces of recovery.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: There was for a long time a debate about whether
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: or not.
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: You would reintroduce grizzly bears into the Bitterroot Mountains in Montana.
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: And the deal they struck was if they did a
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: reintroduction to grizzly bears into the bitter Roots, they would
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: carry with them a non essential experimental designation, meaning it'd
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: be much easier to there there be it'd be it'd
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: be much easier for livestock owners to kill them. The
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: the self defense cases wouldn't be as strictly enforced, like
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: you you know, you wouldn't need to be like prove
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: that you were down to a life or death situation, right,
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: Just totally different management principle, or you just don't do
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: that and trust that they get there on their own,
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: because the minute one walks into that mountain range on
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: its own, it doesn't carry experimental designation. So you could
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: be like, okay, we'll go with the sure thing and
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: put some in and they have experimental, non essential or
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: bide our time and wait, a decade.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: Hasn't didn't They didn't one turn up there recently?
• 52:54
  Speaker 6: I thought in the bitters, yeah, there's there's been a
• 52:57
  Speaker 6: bear that that's cruised through there. I think the Idaho
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: Fishing Game, you know, this is a frustrating thing for
• 53:06
  Speaker 6: a lot of people who are like, yeah, I saw
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: grizzly bear. That's a grizzly bear track. There's pictures, there's everything. Well,
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: the state agency can't be like, yep, you're right right.
• 53:13
  Speaker 6: They have to prove it if they're going to make
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: a positive statement. And so they were able to get
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: a DNA at that site and get it verified as
• 53:25
  Speaker 6: grizzly DNA. So Idaho Fishing Game probably two summers ago,
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: said like, yes, we know for a fact that there
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: is a grizzly bear in this general zone. And it
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: was actually more on like the clear Water side, so
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: you know, much more on the Idaho side than the
• 53:44
  Speaker 6: Montana side of the bitter It Range there. But we
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: know that bears have traveled successfully, like across the I
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: ninety corridor, which is seen as a huge break in
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: migration because it is so massive there. Yeah, daunting cutting
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: through the Panhandle to Idaho. So but I mean I
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: will tell you, like from personal experience, in the early
• 54:10
  Speaker 6: two thousands, we cut grizzly bear tracks in the Sapphire Range.
• 54:15
  Speaker 6: During it would have been like the height of this
• 54:17
  Speaker 6: conversation on putting like physically moving grizzly into the bitter Roots, which.
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: Is effectively the bitter Roots.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I mean it's like an easy little stroll across ninety
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: three or.
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: Something, right, Yeah, well across the valley, across the Bitteret Valley.
• 54:31
  Speaker 6: But that was really wild, you know. And you're like
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: much more hospitable range than the Bitter Roots are for
• 54:38
  Speaker 6: sure as far as like finding food and stuff.
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: But yeah, that was And.
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: Then so the Rock Creek drainage is right there, as
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: we know from meat Eater trivia. The US largest forests
• 54:50
  Speaker 6: that we have in Montana, the Beaverhead National Forest, is uh,
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: you know, grizzly bear tracks right in the middle of it.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: So, speaking of grizzly bears, I think there's going to
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: be a renewed push like the US Fish and Wildlife
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: Service I think will again request that grizzly bears delist
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: get delisted soon. I don't think that will go anywhere there,
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: it gets held up on the idea that they're not
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: recovered across the entirety of their range, so you can't
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: recover you can't declare them recovered.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: In certain areas.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: Following that logic would be that elk would be listed
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: as an e s A species. The elk would be
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: protected by the Endangered Species Act, big horn sheep would
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: be protected by the Endangered Species Act. Wolves be protected
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: by the Endangered Species Act. Black bears would be protected
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: by the Endangered Species Act.
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: What am I missing?
• 55:53
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 55:53
  Speaker 6: I mean coyotes hmm, that's a weird one.
• 56:00
  Speaker 3: Mule deer perhaps blacktail, I'm sure would.
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: Be protected by the Endangered Species Act.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: So the logic that you can't delist something in one
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: place because it's not recovered in another. I don't know
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: that Golden Gate Park will ever have a sustainable population
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: of grizzly bears. Yeah, though that damn sure was grizzly.
• 56:31
  Speaker 6: Country on menus in San Francisco?
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Is that right?
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 56:38
  Speaker 8: In what years all.
• 56:40
  Speaker 6: That gold Rush era, right about the time they made
• 56:45
  Speaker 6: Pale Rider?
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: Can I ask something? First of all, I want to
• 56:52
  Speaker 4: apologize for zoning out. I was just trying to figure
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: out what the one food was that's lowering my testosterone?
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: Did you watch the thing?
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: I tell you I did.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: I was watching the video while you guys were talking
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: about that. That's why I was not a part of
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: the conversation. I'm back.
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: And I just wanted to say sesame seeds.
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Oh thank you.
• 57:10
  Speaker 4: But also, what is the what is the best argument
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: for introducing reintroducing wolves and the worst argument or the
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: best m best argument for and best argument against in
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: you know, just just like in thirty seconds for each.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: The best argument for reintroducing wolves, in my view, we
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: can go around the table as much as people want
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: to speak to it. The best argument for reintroducing wolves
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: is it was human activities that eliminated them from much
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: of their historic range. In particular, it was an activity
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: that we now find to be deplorable, which was indiscriminately
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: spreading poison laced carcasses out on the landscape. And it
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: is a sin against God and man to determine that
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: certain species that were placed here on the Earth should
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: be eliminated because they're inconvenient.
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: To us, okay, And it's a.
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: Sin against nature to go and eliminate things from planet
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Earth because they're inconvenient. The argument against restoring them in
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: Colorado is it will have and they all try to
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: dodge this, but it's true, it will have catastrophic impacts
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: on big game populations in Colorado. But hunters are naughty
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: to say. It's like naughty for a hunter to say,
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: I don't really like this because it's going to affect
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: elk and deer hunting so negatively. It's supposed to be
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: that you're not supposed to care about that, but people
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: care about.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: That a lot.
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: And what do you mean they're not supposed to care
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: about who's saying that.
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: It's supposed to be that like that, that's not a
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: legitimate that's not a legitimate concern.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: There's one very advocate.
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: There's one all the wolf introductions. Is this one guy
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: that plays in all the Wolf for Re introductions and
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: he refers to hunters as the recreational big game killing industry.
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, got it, that's that's two.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: The loss of damaged property livestock specifically is.
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: A big one.
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: Wolves definitely get in mess with with domestic flocks of
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: sheep for sure, cattle and the legal ease of like
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: how you navigate that with personal property rights? And another
• 59:54
  Speaker 6: animal that's not even yet a game species that can
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: be managed effectively through the game agencies, because it's in
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 6: this limbo of like, well, who manages it the fed
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: through the state, and does it get such special status
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: that if it's attacking your property, can you kill it?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 6: Can you get rid of it like you would with
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: like a coyote incident or something like that. So there's
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: a lot of things there in the management that people
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: are like, why would we even want to deal with that?
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: And specifically to Colorado, it's like you have wolves that
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: have already walked into the state, which is an area
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 6: that most people I feel that get wrapped up in
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: this argument can agree that, like, well they did it
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: on their own. So now we're in it whether we
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 6: want to or not, and we can deal with it
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 6: because it's been put on the table in front of us,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 6: versus one side saying that we need to drop them
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 6: in here with the big black helicopters that everybody fears.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: Got it.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: Let me hate with no one, he said thirty seconds.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: Well no, I thought him, no one.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: This is going to sound conspiratorial, but I do think
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: that I do think it's true the same way that
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: individual that I just mentioned refers to the recreational big
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: game killing industry.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: I think that there is that. I'm not normally a
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: conspiratorial person.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: Right, I think that there are a lot of pro
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: wolf advocates that have that would like.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: To stick it to big game hunters. Oh. Absolutely.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: That didn't seem like a conspiracy to me. That's not
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: even a conspiracy. Pretty sentiment easy. I think it's like,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: it's like they'd like to stick it to big game hunters. Yeah, okay,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: I mean if if you're going out and calling it
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: the industrial yeah whatever, then yeah, that seems like that's
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: exactly what you're doing.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like, oh, so does the surplus of deer
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: and elklets. I'd rather feed it to wolves and feed
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: it to the rednecks.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: That's wow. That is so dogmatic, Like that's so crazy
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: that they're willing to go that far. Their hate for
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: hunters is willing to just kind of up end the
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 4: whole balance.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: They love wolves, and they got on sixty minutes.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: Wasn't there like a sixty minutes piece called like that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: was showing how amazing this was.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like I remember watching that.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: Oh the debunked what's that.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, how the wolves ship rainbows or something trop
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: is like that was a real popular idea for a while.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 2: The debunked, Yeah, I.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: Got no problem with wolves. Man, When I see a wolf,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: I get real excited. Yeah, but what I do have
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: a problem is just.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Like mounding so much bs onto it.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: And we had a woman on, Diane Boyd, who was
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: very instrumental in like is the the wolf biologists for
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: Montana And she even says she advocated for this at
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: the time, and in hindsight she still feels that she
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: was correct that they shouldn't have done the Yellowstone. In
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Frank Church reintroductions, wolves are coming in from Canada, and
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: she said, I just think from a public perception standpoint
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: and for the sake of how wolves are perceived, just
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: give it time and let them show up.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: And that's coming from someone who it's their job to
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: think about this and they're pro wolf. Right. It's like
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: you'd get there anyways. You'd get there anyways, and it
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be that you wouldn't turn wolves into the new
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: spot at owl.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 3: Right right, right, Well, that's it all comes back down
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 3: to this, back around to this citizen's initiative and about
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: how none of this is these actions are based on
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: science or the will of scientists.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't even know what that means anymore.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: I know what you're saying, But no, everybody besides the
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 3: public the voted for it is saying no. I mean,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: the rest of this proves it. Right here, there's six
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: other states that are like, let us save you from
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 3: your own dumb ass cells, and we won't ship you
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 3: any wolves.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: Right, you know there is there is wolf hunting a thing.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Sure, Yeah, in where so they have been delisted in
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: they delist.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: Them in areas.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: So there's this there's this idea called distinct population segments, and.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: They've overlaid it. Originally it was lower forty eight. Okay.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: They've then gone on and gotten a little more surgical,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: and they've created these areas where they.
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: Look at around the country, what are areas it could
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: feasibly support the animals.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: So with grizzlies, what there's five or six So there's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: there's five or six habitat core habitat.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: Areas that could support grizzlies. One doesn't have any.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: So it's North Cascades, Bitterroot cell Way mm hmm, the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Northern Continental Divide Cabinet, Yack cabinet, yack, g WAT, Greater Yellowstone.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: How many is that?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: Greater Yellowstone, Northern Continental Divide, Northern Cascade, Northern Cascade Cabinet, Yack.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 6: Cabinet, YAC bitter at So yeah.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: For one doesn't have them, or Northern Cascade has maybe
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: depending on where it's standing at any given time, has
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: a couple that moved back and forth from Canada. So
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: they've gone and said, Okay, it's not gonna be the
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: Lower forty eight. My joke about Golden Gate Park. It's
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: not gonna be Golden Gate Park. Where could it be?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: It could be in these places. And what they've done
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: is they've enabled it to to propose delisting an area.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: So currently, everyone who has any academic perspective, like anyone
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: who's assigned with just tell me empirically, are they recovered
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: or not recovered in sustainable way? Any biologist who looks
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: at this from any federal agency, state agencies are like
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: Greater Ye also an ecosystem, yes, Northern Continental Divide ecosystem yes,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: meaning they're not conservation dependent. You could dlist those populations
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: are grizzly bears and they're fine they're fine.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: With wolves. They've done Northern Great Lakes and it's their
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: back listed, all right.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 5: It waffles back and forth so much, but there was
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 5: hunting off and on there over the last decade or so.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: So you can't keep track. So like Michigan's Upper Peninsula.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 5: But well beyond recovery, like way way pass, recovery goals right, And.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: When people say recovery goals is at a time. They
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: came at a time every all the different stakeholders got
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: together and they said, what what does recovery look like?
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: What's an acceptable recovery? And they came up with I
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: think for they come up with a pack, like how
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: many packs and different parameters. With grizzly bears, they came
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: up with how many how many bears? So they all agreed,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty bears in the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: We all agree that would be phenomenal. That'd be wonderful
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: if we could hit that. Sure, we all would sign
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: off that that is recovered. That's phenomenal. Okay, now, what
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: do you got A thousand? Are they recovered?
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: No?
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: Because I said that in order to get what I
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: wanted at the time, But I didn't mean that. What
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: I meant was they're.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: Never going to be recovered.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: You're never going to pull them off the endangered species
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: list because the main you do, hellbillies and rednecks will
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: be able to kill them, and I don't want that
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: to happen. So the goalpost just moves and moves and moves,
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: and it creates tremendous animosity. The biggest argument with the
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: DPS thing is if you if you how like a
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: person who doesn't believe in any d listing would look
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: and say, if you delist grizzlies in Northern Conental Divide ecosystem,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: and you delist grizzlies in the Yellowstone ecosystem, how can
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: you guarantee to me that that's not going to impact
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: cabinet yack or that that's not going to impact bitterroot
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: cell way Because where else would that recovery come from
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: but those two areas. So if you're gonna make it
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: that there's going to be more human cause mortality in
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: those areas, then I'm going to argue that any surplus
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: of bears you're killing there, you're killing bears that might.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: Have been migrating to these other area.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: Come to these so don't tell me that it's a
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: distinct population set. This is the argument against it, right, Like,
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: don't tell me it's distinct, because nothing's distinct.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: Things move around. You can't undo this and not impact that.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 6: And connectivity is the is like the biggest buzzword in
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 6: this argument. Got it, Like, show me the connectivity. So
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 6: because also they want to re examine, like what does
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 6: recovered mean, right? Does it mean right now in our
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 6: snapshot of time or does it mean forever? And in
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 6: order for a forever recovered goalpost, there has to be
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 6: genetic exchange between these groups for the long term viability
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 6: of the species, right or else you're gonna hit this
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 6: stopping point that does have a name that I can't
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 6: remember what we talked about with mountain lions and the
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 6: Santa Monicas forever ago, where they hit this cliff and
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden, that population's gone because it's just
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 6: bred itself into non existence essentially because it's just swapping
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 6: the same gene back and forth. So connectivity is a
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 6: big deal, which is why when these bears do show
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 6: up in the clear water on the opposite side of
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 6: the bitter Roots and wander around that part of Idaho.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 6: It's a big deal because it does show that a
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 6: bear from the NCDE has traversed these big on paper
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 6: obstacles of like the I ninety corridor or high human
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 6: population areas. And then what Steve's saying too is about
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 6: like this higher human cause mortality that is generally accepted
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 6: as the case, but it's also I think what a
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 6: lot of biologists would tell you is something that we
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 6: don't really know because there is so much human cause
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 6: mortality occurring right now while these bears are federally protected,
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 6: we don't honestly know how that number of vehicle strikes,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: conflict incidents with livestock, with hikers, people feeling threatened on
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 6: the trail, etc.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 5: A lot of grizzlies get shot by fishing game a lot,
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: and they get in trouble.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 6: A lot, And oftentimes it's like the people who are
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: actively trying to get to these recovery benchmarks who have
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 6: to go out and kill the damn bears because somebody
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 6: didn't lock up their stupid fricking garbage can, right and literally,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 6: you're killing this bear that's been put so high up
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 6: on a pedestal by not locking up your garbage can
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 6: and the thing comes and roots through it for leftover watermelonines, right,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 6: and it's like, well that's a learned behavior. We got
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 6: to get rid of it because eventually it's gonna bump
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 6: into you in your bathroom filling up the garbage can, right,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: you might get tickled. So all of these things come
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: together to be like what is recovery? And you know,
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: but every year we're addressing more and more of this,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: like protecting migration corridors. The Infrastructure Act that just went
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 6: through provided a shitload of funding for like wildlife overpasses
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 6: and under asses across these huge obstacles like the I
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: ninety corridor, and you know, as we see those things implemented,
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: we are removing all these excuses. But there's this issue
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 6: fatigue that we always deal with in the conservation world,
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: which is like, well, we've been We've been doing the thing.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 6: We have been funding things in municipalities for bear proof containers,
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: we have been eliminating shed hunting seasons on these slopes
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: that are used by wintering big game. And we've been
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 6: doing all the things because you told us we are
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: going to get this animal d list. And that's where
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 6: the frustrations, just like always keep coming up. It's like
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 6: the goalpost keep getting moved. And yeah, to Steve's point,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 6: there is absolutely a faction out there that's like the
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 6: bear is so powerful, the wolf is so powerful as
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 6: a tool a symbol of the ESA that it is
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: how we are protecting other species that people don't really
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 6: want to talk about, the charismatic megafauna. Right is the
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 6: is the thing on the flag, but it actually is
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: how we're protecting, you know, the freshwater muscles that are
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 6: super important to our fresh water system, but nobody truly
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 6: gives a shit about.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, So I don't think answered your question though.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I what I'm realizing is that you guys
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: have no concept of what thirty seconds is.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to hear a good still on this show, but.
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: Wyoming.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: So if you look at the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem, the
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: official number is seven hundred or seven fifty grizzlies.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: But even the but the guy.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: That did that number knows that number is not right.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: And he said on this podcast, Frank was Huga Hugo
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: type in grizzly bear, Frank USGS Hugomeyer. We had a
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 1: guest on who so the USGS isn't a policy organization.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: They are a fact gathering organization. The facts they gather
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: are then used by policymakers.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 8: Frank vinn mannon that's.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: No, is it.
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah? The guy that headed up the interagency study.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm thinking the wrong. Damn Frank, what's his name?
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: Frank van mann In.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 2: He says they used a model that he doesn't think
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: is accurate anymore. But it's hard to change the official number.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: But he says, so, he's like, there's probably a thousand
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: in the Greater Yelstone ecosystem, which is about Indiana. It's
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: a chunk of ground about the size of Indiana that
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: sits in Montana, Idaho, and Wyoming, whatever portion of those
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: is in Wyoming. There's an interesting statistic where this is.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: Years ago, Wyoming was spending two because of the ESA issues.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: You know, Wyoming spends two million bucks a year on
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: the Bears, and someone once did the math and realized
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: it's an expensive critter for them for the states.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: I went to Yellowstone yesterday. I took a drive there,
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 4: didn't see any bears.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: You could try to get your money back.
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: What was your Google review?
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: If I could give it half a star?
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: I don't get it all right, So talking about this
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: Food Network show, Raid the Fridge. It's a goofy show.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: It's on Discovery Plus.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 3: It's fun.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: It's pretty fun. It came from the fact you used
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: to take pictures of people's fridges. Well, my podcast Greenecks
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: and dan Is I interviewed very very very famous celebrities.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: Steve Varnella was a guest, and it's all based on
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 4: a picture of the inside of your fridge, and then
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: we go down that rabbit hole of you know, your
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 4: relationship to food. But yeah, I took all these I
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 4: have all these pictures of celebrit these fridges. It's my
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 4: kink and the Food Network saw that and they're like,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: we want to turn this into a show. So it's
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: it became a Raid the Fridge, which is a it's
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: a food competition show. You got three chefs, they have
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: three mystery fridges. They have no idea what's in the fridge.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: They can only choose a fridge based on the pictures
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: and the magnets outside. Once they open that fridge, time starts.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 4: I feel like, well, it is fun, but I am
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 4: also like I love doing it, but I'm also like
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: very anti where like food TV has gone. I feel
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 4: like it's just become these very aggressive competition shows that
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: are aggressive. Like I loved when we were younger, and
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 4: it was just like the Food Network was like a
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 4: nice person inviting you into their kitchen to show you
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 4: how to cook something.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Are you talking on the place where you work right now?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I am right now.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: That's bold.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 4: But now everything is like it's like you come back
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 4: from the commercial break with like heavy metal. It's like,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: welcome back to kitchen genocide, death battle Roy. Yeah, Mary
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: just got sent home because there pot pie tasted like
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: sweaty dick.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: It's like, what's happening? What happened? Food Network?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 4: Leaving our roommating two contestants. For your final challenge, you
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: will give given a rabbit, a hammer, and three springs
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 4: of dill. You've got ten minutes to make dessert. Time
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: starts as soon as I slaughter this lamb. It's like, what, Yeah,
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: it's gone too aggressive, man.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Well my understanding, yeah, you just prayed a pretty graphic picture.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: My understanding is food Network. This blew my mind. Maybe
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: you can correct me. MI understanding is that Food Network
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: will not allow a head to be on a fish.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: Really. Oh, I have no idea, just learn that.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: And I was like, dude, half the restaurants in New
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: York you can get a fish with a head on it.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: Wait, is that true? That's what I heard you.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: I am going to call my buddy who's in charge
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: of all the food of Food network on smartphone right now.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: I heard that you can't use the barber hook on
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 3: the Bighorn River.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: It's illegal.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: I've just I heard this on very from a very
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: good source that there you will not find a fish's
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: head on that network. You cannot do whole fried thie fish.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: I heard you can't have Wow, it's exciting podcast and
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 6: knives present at the same time alcohol because.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 2: You're going to get wasted and cut yourself.
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: As as happens.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 2: And is this suspense killing you like it's killing me.
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to answer because most people don't.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know why, because you're like I have a
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 6: very good friend.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: It's like ten times that I try to call my wife,
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: she'll answer one time.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: Well that's not a good things.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Oh man, all right.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: No, no head's on fish, No heads on fish. I
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 4: don't that's crazy. If that's true. I'm a huge I
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 4: don't know if you guys know this about it.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Let's do the fish head. Let's do this.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Why don't you go with just one of these fridges,
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: put a fish with the head on it and see
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: what happens.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like we've had some gnarly stuff
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 4: on there. I can't imagine a fishhead being that.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: No head's on fish.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 5: Didn't you get thrown in Instagram jail for showing a
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 5: picture of a valid king salmon one time?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I forgot about that.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 5: That's pretty ridiculous.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: So, okay, talk me about the book. Did you do
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: your own audiobook?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: Did your own read? I did, and it was very
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 2: It was an awful experience. Plug the book a little bit.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: Okay, So the book is undercooked. You can get it
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: anywhere you get books. It's an Amazon bestseller right now
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 4: in the category of books by Dana Dude, and it
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: is killing it.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: It is uh.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 4: It's a comedic food memoir standalone chapters, each of them
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 4: about food, but they're also funny and there's a lot
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: of heart, and there's also a bunch of hunting chapters which.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: They tried to come down. The man tried to come
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: down on you about hunt.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: The man tried to come down and they wanted to.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: They're like, you need to take out one of these
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 4: hunting chapters. You've got too much hunting. When what's their
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 4: argument because they were like, it's a food book and
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 4: people want to buy a food book.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: They don't want to hear about you going hunting.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: Because the two are like not related.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. But I fought and I kept I kept a.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 5: Tense fight, like words exchanged.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 4: You know, there was It's very interesting when you write
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: a book, you have to it's it's very like pick
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 4: your battles on what you're gonna put in and what
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 4: you're not going to put in. So, uh, for example,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 4: I there was a line in it about Anthony Bourdain
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: committing suicide, and they were like, you can't say committing
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: suicide he died by suicide. You have to write he
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 4: died by suicide. And I was like, walk me through
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: that one. So the whole thing about that is that
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: suicide is a mental health thing and that it's not
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 4: in your control that.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: You're actually committing. It's happening to you.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: It's sort of it wasn't a question of his commitment.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: Right exactly, which I was like, that feels weird to me,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: and but it didn't feel weird enough where I was
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 4: going to fight for that, so that I wasn't going
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 4: to fight for something else, so you know what I mean.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 4: So it was a lot of that happening where you
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 4: had to pick your battles, and so the hunting one
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: was where I kind of stood my ground because it's
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: basically the there's a chapter on elk hunting, which is
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: basically two chapters in one, and then there's a chapter
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 4: on kosier hunting and then stuff about uh, goose hunting
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 4: in the beginning.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 3: But you know it's pronounced cows, is it really? No,
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: that's not true.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: It's true.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: I just looked at Steve. That's not true. The gentleman's
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: name was cows.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 4: Okay, but yeah, so we kept it in so and look,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: I part of my thing, part of the thing with
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: this book is that I know that a lot of
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: like let's call it coastal elites will be reading this
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: because it's like a popular food book and they want
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: to read about food. So I think it's exciting to
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: kind of flank them with the hunting stuff when they
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: don't expect it coming, and I've had so many people
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 4: say to me, I never thought about hunting until I
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 4: read your chapters, and now I could even like entertain
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: going on a hunt, which is pretty cool.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Do you believe in coastal elites?
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 4: Yes, you do, one hundred percent.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Are you one of them?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 4: I am adjacent. I'm coastal elite adjacent, you know, But
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 4: I mean I live in laing that you.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 3: Just don't make quite enough money to be an elite
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: or I mean, I don't know, I'm trying to I
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: don't think it means either.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 6: Know how to du Pont or Rockefeller or Roosevelt or no.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: I am as kids dudes will be amongst that crowd.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not an a dute.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 4: I just feel like there is a group think that
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 4: happens on in the big city group and if you're
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 4: not a part of it, you're kind of excommunicated. So
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 4: even coming on your podcast for the first time was
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: like coming out of closet for me in a way.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 4: Just talking about the fact that I'm a hunter, that
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: I own guns was like, you know, I got a
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 4: lot of a lot of crap for that within my community,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 4: and I definitely know, yeah, I mean, I definitely know
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: of people who are probably won't say it outright, but
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 4: you definitely know that's the reason that you're not hanging
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: out as much. It's I'm telling you, it's a thing.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 4: It's a thing in LA and New York, and that's
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: a good.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 5: Way to just like, you know, skim the scum off
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 5: the top anyway.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean I think so, But it's it is,
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: especially when you're entertainment. Though in entertainment it's even another
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: level of you know, you gotta watch what you do
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: and watch it.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 7: I was very excited and surprised to hear you name
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 7: drop meat Eater on Comedy Bang Bang this Week, which
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 7: is one of my favorite podcasts.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's probably the first time you guys have been
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: mentioned on Comedy Bank, the most the most like nerdy
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: comedy podcast in the country. But yeah, look this is
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: But I think this is why this book is interesting
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: is because I'm I've always kind of straddled those two
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: places of like, I love fine dining, I love good food,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: I love going to great restaurants, but then like I
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: love going hunting and I love getting dirty and doing
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: those things as well. So I can't tell you how
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: many times I've had to explain to people the fact
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: that hunters give more money to conservation than all conservation
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: you know, environmental groups combined. And this is a fact
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 4: that I got from you, which.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: I keep well. And that's a bold statement. I mean
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: it is. I wouldn't put that that way.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: Why not with the what is that law? That the
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 4: money from the AMMO and the money from.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 2: The A lot. But you're just using very broad strokes.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: You told me to say, none, screw those environmental groups.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: We give more money than they ever will. No, it's
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: a but here's.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: You're using such broad strokes that you get into hard definitional.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: Easy to poke holes in it.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, the hard definition. But here's the thing.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 4: Most people wouldn't even know that that hunters give a
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 4: dollar to conservation.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 2: That's very true.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: So even opening their eyes to that, I think, is
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 4: that that's the best place I think to start the conversation.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: There was recently an op ed I think it was
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: in the New York Times, and it was arguing that
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: they don't like the Pittman. This guy was saying, I
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: don't like the Pittman robertson money for conservation. It shouldn't
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: go to conservation because it's blood money, meaning he doesn't
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: want to. He doesn't think that gun and AMMO money
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: has a place in wildlife conservation because it's wildlife conservation
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: taking blood money.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: I mean it's kind of a that it's that argument
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: about and correct me if I'm wrong here, But a
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: lot of the big game hunting in Africa, like where
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: you want to kill a line or something, you have
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: to pay like a couple hundred thousand dollars to do that,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: and then doesn't most of that money go to conservation.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we got some guys coming in pretty soon. There
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: are subject matter experts on that. We tried it before
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: with someone.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 8: Roger Hurt and Morgan, I don't know, as like Potter.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: There you go, they're all super excited about that. Well, so, yeah,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 2: I said I was having some Tanzanians over for dinner.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: No, he didn't tell me that didn't First of all,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 4: if you said that to him, how could he ever
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 4: forget that? Remember I said of having some Tanzanians over
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: for dinner? I mean, yeah, So it's like the optics
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: of that, I understand for a non hunter are really awful, right,
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: But it still kind of makes sense, especially if in
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: places where they're not going to get anywhere near that
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 4: amount of conservation money.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: But you you haven't. Has your career suffered at all?
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: Like did you feel like you lost out on jobs
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: or lost out on gigs or anything. I don't use
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: the word gigs. Yes, you can, you can. We're back
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 2: in the eighties.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 6: Everyone, Yeah, and refer to it as the biz.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Please let me tell you about the biz. Look.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: I think that it kind of it probably even out
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 4: the amount of fans that I lost because of that
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 4: I gained on the other side, you know what I mean.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 4: And I feel like, especially like with this book. This
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: book is kind of it's something that I don't think
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: anyone else could really write because I do have a
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: weird skill set of I don't think that there's any
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 4: comedian hunter, foodies who kind of who do all those
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: three things. I think it's like.
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: I know one guy, the simple comedian, hunter, foody. Who
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: do you got the one guy that does podcast too pretty?
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: He's got a pretty big one, I don't think, but
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: the thing doesn't quite qualify as foody. But he likes
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: to take pictures of his food and post it to Instagram.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: He does like to take pictures of his food.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 4: But I mean, I've interned in Michelin Star kitchens, you know,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: like I've worked in restaurants. I've I'm getting wine certification
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: right now.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: Take that, Rogan. Take that.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: I like you. I like you where you're coming from.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: But I'm saying like, I think mixing those three things
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: is something that that having come out of the closet
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: with hunting is what gave me that special skill set
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 4: that I think got me a book deal that was
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: able to get. If I was just like, I'm a
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: guy who loves food and I'm funny, I don't think
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: I would have gotten a book deal. I think it was. Oh,
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: this is interesting because he's got all these different weird
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: ways of coming about food.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: I find it very interesting that the people in food
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: circles have such a wild and wide diet, whereas if
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 6: you're coming from like real rural America, like deep hunting culture,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 6: it's not it's like very meat and potatoes, right, And
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 6: it's those people who are like, ooh, I'm not sure
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: if I'd eat that, whereas I, you know, I just
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 6: cooked a bunch of Canada goose for some folks that
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: are not in the hunting circles at all, very removed
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 6: from it, and there was I would say, far less
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: hesitation to eating Canada goose on my table. As if
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: I would have put even this group of hunters in
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: this room down at the table and be like, really,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 6: Canada goose, you'd be like really, it's like, you know,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: bringing a bunch of spoon.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: Bills to Hawaii, but you know, like you get fence.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: Did you do that? I did that? Yeah twice.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: Now it's like, oh, you brought the scrap ducks. Huh.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 6: But that always strikes me as as very odd. Right,
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 6: It's like, oh, you'll eat you know, lamb liver and
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 6: rabbits and ducks and eels and you know, over one
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 6: sitting at some fine dining establishment. And then this idea
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 6: of only good money, only pure money, can go to
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 6: pure causes, right when we all know that people are
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 6: just a bunch of freaks and what they do in
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 6: their own homes when people aren't watching like that, then
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 6: being like, oh but we can't have your money because
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 6: of this, right, It's like it's just I mean, it's
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: such a just a bizarre this wizar.
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 4: This expression is so tired now, but it's like it's
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 4: virtue signaling, right. It's like they know that it's hypocritical
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 4: to say that because the money that goes into you know,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 4: they're fine to eat a steak at a restaurant that
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 4: God knows how that poor thing was raised. But then
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 4: this is blood money going into hunting. And in fact,
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 4: I think hunters in a lot of ways are way
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 4: bigger foodies than pretentious foodies are, because like you're saying,
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 4: like you guys were just making a joke about knowing
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 4: the nuances of different species of duck and how they taste.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 4: I don't think most people would know, like, oh, this
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 4: lamb that I'm eating was from an older animal or
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 4: a younger animal, or it was you know, it was
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 4: killed in this season, or they don't know anything about that.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 4: You know, you maybe you'll have different grades like a
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 4: five wagoo versus you know, choice or prime. But in
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 4: terms of this stuff that you guys are like students
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 4: of I think it's way more interesting and nuanced in
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 4: terms of like, oh, I can tell what the diet
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 4: of this animal was based on how it tastes. Like
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 4: that to me seems way more advanced foody than like, oh,
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 4: I just had a five hundred dollars meal at the
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 4: French laundry where you just are like showing, you know,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: you're just going and spending a lot of money and
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 4: having them talk to you about what farm this animal
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 4: was was, you.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 6: Know what they would wouldn't talk about. We shot a
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 6: turkey this year in Hawaii that its crop was the
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 6: most full crop I've ever seen, and I take them
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: all out right, So it's the top end of the
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: digestive system for for a turkey.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got all the rocks and.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 6: That's the next stage, right, Sorry, but the crops like
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 6: this great little balloon, it's just a grocery bag, yeah, basically. Yeah,
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 6: and uh and it's always super interesting to see what's
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 6: in there. Well, we pull this prop out and it
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 6: is it's enormous to begin with, but it is chalk
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 6: full with absolutely nothing but maggots.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: Oh he hit the magot, you know you'd get I
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 2: guarantee you as a dead rotten hog.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 6: No, so, okay, I know I know exactly what it
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 6: was because you could smell it, and I had asked
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: about it, and they agriculture operation they had brought in
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 6: a huge load of fish and they had actually they
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: actually have like a giant compost pile that they had
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: stirred up with this fish to make their own awesome
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 6: super compost. Well, all that fish had been fermenting, and
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 6: the maggots were wriggling out, and so all these birds
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: and mongooses and all this stuff was on top of
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 6: that compost pile, and unbeknownst to us, this turkey, of
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 6: course was there doing the exact same thing.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: But chalk full right, And.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: So did the maggots smell like rottenfish?
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 9: No?
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: I didn't.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 6: I was like, this is unbelievable. They were not. Your
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 6: brain wanted wanted that so badly that you had to
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 6: look at it multiple times. I just want to connect,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 6: but you're mad or your your fancy restaurant guy is
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 6: not going to be like now, this particular turkey came
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 6: came off the big island.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: They sit down, they sit down. So what I have today,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: that's what we have today, is this poach turkey breast.
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 2: Do you mind if I call you the maggot stuffed?
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: Maggot stuffed?
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 5: He was on a high protein diet, but the blood
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: money thing wasn't necessarily tied to hunting.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't fully explain
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: that that was the argument tied to gun violence. By
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: the way, I love that.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: I spent all this time trying to tell people about
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 4: how hunters are the real foodies and they're the ones,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 4: and then you start and it was fantastic.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna tell you about how that's a
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: great insight you had. And I wasn't counting a lot
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: of the knowledge that people have as food knowledge. I
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 1: was counting it as animal knowledge.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 2: But if you if.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: You interpret it as food knowledge, and you measure information
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: in bits as they do, you're right. Hunters have an
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: enormous amount of bits of food knowledge that they think
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 1: is about animals, meaning that cart right have big ribs,
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: okay or whatever, tastes not always the best. I'd be like, well,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: that's stuff about fish. You'd be like that' stuff about food. Yeah,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: because that's a foodie.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: They when they see a dozen kinds of fish, they're
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: seeing all this food information. That one's pretty good, that
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 1: one you gotta fry forever, that one you gotta get
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 1: all fat off, that one is better this time of
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 1: year than that time of year. That one don't eat raw.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 1: You'll get sick right.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 8: Even through the butchery phase, like how you need to
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 8: filet that fish to get the bones out, how you
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 8: need what's edible? What's not?
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 4: More advanced foodie than like anything you could learn in
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 4: culinary school.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: Now I'm sorting to think hunters are all snobs.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 3: Species, those coastal elite.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Bread elites, you landlocked elites.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: Dan like's being grossed out. Tell them about those ducks
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 5: you shot this year, the ones that were.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 3: Oh they had rice breast.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 5: No, no, no, the ones that were eating that cow pasture.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: Oh well there was one and the same Yeah, rice
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 3: braass is it'll kind of it'll gross you out a
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: little bit.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 4: But if you don't like scatological why is this turning
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 4: into gross out?
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know. They were just rooting around, as a
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 3: lot of animals and birds do. They were rooting around
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 3: in a cow pasture feeding, And every dock that we
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 3: shot had just a little splotch of cow poop on
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: it's the top of it.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: Oh they had been coming from one of those places. Yeah, cool,
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: So tell us what else you got going. I got
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: the question for you.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you're doing do you have a hunting do
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: you do you do hunting bits. Do you roll hunting
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: bits into your stand up?
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 4: I've done hunting bits in my stand up, yeah, and
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: it's always a weird reaction.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: Doesn't It doesn't work?
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 10: Well?
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you should do what do one in Billings?
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: You'd be fine?
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: You know what's crazy? By the way, So I can't.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: I got to Bozeman and I, uh, you know, do
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: you guys have a comedy club here? And I was like,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: you know what, I'm going to be the cool LA
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: comic who comes to the little comedy everybody.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: Pops in, pops in really impresses, you know.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: They go, oh wow, we got this big time LA
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 4: comic coming into town.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: So I I.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: DM them and I'm like, hey, guys, I'm in Bozeman
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: wondering if I can get up while I'm here.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: Like who They go, Yeah, Tuesday nights we have our
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: open mic. Uh.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 4: She was like, I'm just going to hike instead.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: If I could have gone down and wash you get up,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 2: do your.
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 8: Business a little bit behind.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: What the hell's the comedy club? I don't know the
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 3: place last, best place.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: Comedy last that's involved in that outfit.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but he wouldn't have been the one that got
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: that d m oh, I don't know, but I mean, look,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 4: it's fine.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: They have an open mic night.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 4: I don't want to perform in an open because then
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: you're just performing for other comics.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: And there had more fun going down there man watching
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: that we would have got me. I would have said,
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: I'd like an old duels and a big old thing
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: of bloody merry mix.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 2: Man, go down there the hell good time.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: Can you give us a summary of another chapter, fun
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: chapter that you really enjoyed?
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 4: Well, I think the chapter that I'm like, I'm I'm
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: kind of surprised that I haven't gotten called out on.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I should even talk about it
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 4: on the air.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 5: Go ahead, it's in the book.
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 2: You're afraid to get into something you just published.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm afraid on this podcast because I kind of like,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: because our listeners vulnerable, vulnerable, this is my truth. I'm
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: speaking my truth.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: He whispered to me first, because you get me nervous.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: You're gonna say it.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 4: Was like, I there's a there's there's an allegedly of
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 4: a small chance that I kind of maybe started a tiny,
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: very small forest fire.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: Oh that's fine, okay, cool joined the clubs like doing
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: something dumb with fire. You've been.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: Support it.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know many people with a straight
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: face that would tell you they haven't done.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Like some really stupid fire stuff.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 4: Oh my god, I feel I was holding that. I
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 4: thought the cops were just waiting for me outside here.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 4: I thought this was like a whole big sting operation.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: Well, as long as it didn't turn into a fire
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: that burned one hundred thousand acres.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: You know, have you guys heard of Paradise?
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 4: What is Paradise City? By Paradise City guns and rollses. Yeah, no,
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: I forgot that was a huge forest fire. I'm making
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: a bad joke.
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say that was me. That was
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: not it.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: No, No, I was no.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: But I went I went el hunting in New Mexico.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: And I got there and I I went to the
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 4: you guys, you guys know what a ship tent is.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: I can tell you what a ship tent is. This
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 4: is a safe space. It was like a little tiny
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 4: tepee you where you go with a bucket in it. Yeah,
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 4: I don't, I don't. I'm not good at that stuff.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: I don't like it. I was like, I'm just gonna
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 4: hold my hold it in for a week. I'll be fine, like.
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: A Latvian plug.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, like a Latvian plug. And it was so awfully
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: disgusting anyway.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: Hunt holding it in that long was no. I went three,
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: So I go three days held in fine.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: Because you don't want to go in a bucket. It
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 4: was not the bucket it was. It was not the bucket, guys.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: It hadn't been changed that. It was the stalactites and
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 4: stalagmites of poop on the bag.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: They're not swapping bags out.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: So you weren't allowed just to go out into the
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: woods and dig a hole.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 4: I would have I would have been fine with that.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: It seemed like that was frowned upon at our elk camp.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: It was illegal. Okay, why it was illegal. But the
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: day that I.
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 4: The the night before I got my elk, we were
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: all outside, uh and uh. Some of my friends went
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: to my buddy Mow went to go make a phone
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 4: call at an area called the phone booth, which is
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 4: just like a little piece of land.
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 2: That has reception. You got to like hike out to it.
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: And so me and Churchie the outfitter, he was like,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 4: let's go play a prank on on Mo and my son,
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: and we took the car and went to the phone booth. So,
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 4: you know, haha, they could have gotten a ride, but
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 4: instead we drove over there. I smoke a cigar up
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 4: there while I'm.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: On my foe back up for a second. Sure, they
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: walk to call make a phone call. And the joke
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 1: is that you drove there. Listen, not all hunters are funny.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: Churchy thought it was hilarious.
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 3: He's an old man.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 2: He's like an old man. He's like, let's go do this, Joe.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 4: Comedy is hard, Yeah, comedy is hard, but let's go.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: So we do that.
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: I smoke a cigar up there, and I hand to god,
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 4: I put this. I put a rock on top, I squeezed,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 4: I made sure it was out. When it was out,
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: and uh, next morning we go out go hunting. I
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: get my elk amazing. We get back to camp, I
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: go to take a nap and I wake up to
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: Mow and he's like, dude, did you put your cigar
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: out last at the phone booth yesterday? I was like yeah, why.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 4: He's like that hillside is like on fire right now.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 4: I was like, what the hell are you talking about.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: He's like, there's a hillside on fire, exactly where the
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: phone booth was. I was like, dude, I put the
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 4: cigar out, and then like all the other hunters come in.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 4: There was like five of us, and they're like, did
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 4: you smoke a cigar?
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: And then I'm just like, I put it out.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 4: I sort of got it, put it out, and then
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 4: we hear a car coming our way and you know,
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 4: there's no cars at all there, and we hear a
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 4: car coming our way and we're freaking out, and I
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: start freaking out and suddenly my inside start turning, and
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: I'd run to the ship tent to hide in the
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: shit tent because I think the cops are coming and
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 4: I'm going.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 5: And they'd never think to look for you there.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: He wouldn't be in there.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: He doesn't like that tent.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: Your insides turning have nothing to do with the plug.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: It was. It was a it was a twofer.
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 4: I had to go and release myself and also to
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: hide from the cops. So I released myself and I know,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: you go in there because you don't like it there
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 4: right exactly, So I just stayed in there.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: It'll still like, this is this is my punishment?
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 5: Where could he have gone?
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: Guys, I thought I was gonna go to jail, and
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: I was freaking out. So I was like, I'm gonna
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm gonna hide where I would have gotten
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: into that goddamn bucket if I needed to.
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 8: We'd have another oh on the podcast experience.
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 4: Anyway, it was another hunter. It wasn't the cops, but
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: we ended up they ended up putting the fire out.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: And then, like an idiot who's like, you know, going
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 4: to the scene of the crime, I'm.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: Like, let's go up there see let's see what this fire.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: Let's see what it looked like, what this thing was.
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 4: So we go up there and there's a firefighter there
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 4: and I start talking to him. It's like, yeah, it's
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 4: not a big deal. We do controlled burns that are
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 4: that are bigger than this. I'm like, yeah, so where
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 4: what do you think happened? Like was it a He's like, oh,
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 4: and we know exactly what happened. And there was like
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: an X made with axes like where they thought it started.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: And he's like, yeah, it was it was around here,
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: And like I start walking towards there and like my
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 4: phone reception starts coming on and it was like clearly
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 4: the phone booth area. It was like, I mean, well,
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 4: according to Crown Publishing lawyers, allegedly, we have no evidence
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: of that. But the funny part was I took that
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: chapter and I asked you for a recommendation for someone
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 4: to like edit my hunting chapters because because I didn't
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: want like, you know, facts in there that were off
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 4: about like public land hunts or whatever. And this dude,
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 4: who was a great guy, he called me. He's like,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: you sure you want to publish this.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: My buddy? Yeah? And I was like yeah, He's like
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: all right, good luck, buddy.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 4: So but uh yeah, it was Uh I learned I'm
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 4: never going to smoke a cigar when I go hunting ever.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 2: Again. What kind of cigar was it? Backwards King Eddie?
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: It was a nice cigar.
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: I wish it was not a Swisher. It was a
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: something called a Rows of Sharon. Are you familiar with
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: a cigar company?
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: You can probably just get that in New York or LA.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 4: No, they're they're made in Texas, Texas cigar made by Vets.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: Well made by vets.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: It might be worse than going in the ship tent.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: What's that is?
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 5: Going on the can in a jail cell?
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: I am scared. I'm still scared.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go to jail, especially now that I
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 4: said this on there, because I'm sure you've got a
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 4: bunch of guys who listened to the podcast, who have
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: like ham radios, who are like, we've.
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: Got a lot of we've got a lot of people
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: involved in the forest fire fighting, Yeah, a lot of
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: people involved law enforcement?
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Sorry, And where those two areas meet, that intersection
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 2: of law enforcement and forest fire fighting represented.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: If you had just said, you know what, I couldn't
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: control and went out and just took a big old
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: dump on the surface of the w and left it
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: with my toilet paper.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Toilet paper blowing in the wind.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: I watched a guy with a spot and sculpe one time,
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: me and Helen cho watched the guy. Watched the guy
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: with the spot and sculpe one time going down a trail?
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: Is that? Who else with? Sorry? Was that with Brittany
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: going down a trail? He stops. I'm not kidding, man.
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: He stops one hundred yards shy of his truck and
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: drops the deuce at the sick stops on the side
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: of the trail, drops the deuce, cleans himself up and
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: proceeds along his way, with the wind carrying strands of
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: toilet paper off through the sagebrush, not even so much
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: as a cat scratch back in the direction, not so
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: much as even like flicking a little dirt.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: Wow. It sounded very poetic though, the way that I
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 2: wish I had had my all in camera dafter around there.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: And filmed them and put it up on social media
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 1: with one of those like do you know this guy?
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean even you bury your okay, you bury
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: your toilet paper, it's still like, I feel like it
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: never really biodegrades. How many time you've been to campsites
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: and there's just like toilet paper like like just like
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 4: sticking out of the grass ground always.
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: Why does that stuff not biodegrade?
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: Why do people who walk their dogs bag the dog
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: excrement in a plastic bag, tie in and not set
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: it next to the trail and leave it there as
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: though that's better.
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they say that that that I had a
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 4: friend of it a touch like, yeah, it's biodegradable.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think that plastic bag is there.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna get it later, is what they say themselves.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I've carried a lot of a lot of both
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 6: of these subject matters out of the out of the woods,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 6: fucking horrible, horrible. But it's just it's my dislike of
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 6: p well in general that fuels my picking up after them.
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 3: It's a very paradox, will clean up.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: Traces of them. Yeah, like they weren't there. Wait, so
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: you'll take other people's toilet paper and take it.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 4: Out of the woods.
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Wow, that's commitment is a powerful motivator.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: It's like when they're doing a State of the Union,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: they should have cal stand up. You know, people come
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 2: down there like and this man picks up other people's excrement,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: cal like, stand up bull.
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: The Chambers would give.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 2: Him a medal if I was president, it'd be the
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: only person I named. Check would be call for that.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: Imagine will check this out the situation where you, as
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 6: a hunter would be like that is a poor representation
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 6: of hunters, right, those situations.
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: Or outdoor folks in general.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 6: Right, And it's the and then I'm always traveling around
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: with dogs at this point, and yeah, so I pack
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 6: out a lot of a lot of those dog shit
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 6: bags where I'm like, this is just.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 4: What's wrong with just what's what's wrong with leaving dog
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: shit out in the woods.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 6: So if it's dispersed, like actually truly dispersed, nothing, I
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 6: leave my shit out in the woods.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: If it's if it's thirty piles at the trailhead, yeah,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: that's a problem.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: That's a problem.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 6: And there's a lot of interesting studies too, just like
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: with you're familiar with, like human waste and undigested opioids
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: and pills and stuff like that. Right, there's a lot
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 6: of studies that show, like dog feces in waterways have
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 6: serious impacts downstream as far as like sterilization of streams
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 6: or promotion of like big algae blooms and things like that.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: Do you do I need a smear dog shit all
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: over your little cast boot there to if I fit in,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: to find out why you don't like it.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 4: I don't know why. This is where the conversation has gone.
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 4: I do not feel like.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: You're arguing in favor of it started.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 5: It started with a ship.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: Ten.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 4: I think wolves should be able to ship wherever the
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: hell they want, and no one should be able to
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 4: pick up that ship.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 6: Wolves do ship wherever they want. They mark their territory
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 6: that way. And if you if you're into picking up
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 6: shd antlers, they will ship on a moose antler, like
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 6: a beautiful moose antler.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 3: They'll ship right on.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 6: Top of it, as if to say, like, I know
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 6: other things want this, Like you know, dogs love to
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 6: chew on them, Wolves love to chew on Kyos love
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 6: to chew on it, and they will ship right on
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 6: top of that moose antler.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: Author of Undercooked, available everywhere books are sold. We're gonna
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: play trivia.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: Okay, do you feel that at the connect?
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: At what question do you feel that Phil will inform
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: you that you're out of the game.
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm actually gonna do a lot better than you
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 4: think a question.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 2: You don't think Phil will say Dan's out?
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: I don't think so.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 3: I think that as I a lot of weird no
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 3: his cross section of where he's found himself, comedy hunting,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 3: what was the third one food food?
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 5: I think we should say conversation for trivia and let
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 5: Dan plug his book a little bit.
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: Before I plug my book.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: I just want to say to all the cops and
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 4: firefighters listening right now, I am a huge fan of
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 4: law enforcement. You know how many tickets I've gotten out
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 4: of because of Cobra Kai. There a lot of cops
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 4: love Cobra Kai, and I've gotten out of about eight tickets.
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 4: They'll be like from Cora, yeah or I they they
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: they will know, but or sometimes like during in the
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: beginning of the pandemic, like you have you.
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 3: On your dad, the picture of.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: Sorry, that's my that's my past for the ober Kai set,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: Oh here's my Driver's like a bunch of wallet sized headshots,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 2: just pour out of it all. Yeah.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 4: No, cops love Cobra Kai and I love cops, so
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 4: please don't arrest me.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: Plug the book one more time.
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 4: Undercooked, How I lit food become my life navigator and
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 4: how maybe that's a dumb way to live. You can
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 4: get the book wherever you can. You want your books.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 4: The audiobook is great. I did the reading of it.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 4: It's very fun. Do fun voices, a little more fun
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: with delivery and whatnot. But yeah, people are loving the book.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: I hope you do. Two very funny standalone essays. I'm
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: being called I'm being called the David Sedaris of food writing.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 2: WHOA bye my mother? So yeah, no, I help you
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 2: enjoy it.
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 4: I think I think I would love for the hunting
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: community to read this book.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: I really think they'd love it, have I told my
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: funny David Sadaras story thinks.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I thought we were going to maybe linger
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: on dam finally.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 8: But wow, it's it's beautifully done.
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: It's raw.
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 8: I laughed so like, just within the first few pages.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 8: I probably laughed two dozen times. You're uh. He says
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 8: that footnotes are his love language, which I find hilarious.
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 8: So it's like peppered with little hilarious footnotes. It's it's surprising,
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 8: it's beautifully done, and is what's revealed is your original
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 8: kind of very early connection to food, which is a
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 8: very sad and touching story. And yeah, I mean I
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 8: just I love I love your book.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you, Karen the David Saris of food writing.
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 5: Wow, you might be you know, Steve's reading his own
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 5: audio books now, might be able to give him a
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: few pointers on spruce things up a bit.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 4: I will say with my book, it's like a very
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 4: like vulnerable, raw book. And I'm like reading these like
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 4: passages that I would be speaking to like a therapist about,
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 4: but instead there's just like a sound engineer, like some
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 4: weirdo sound engineer on the other side of the glass.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: Who was like, Dan, I think you're crying. Can you stop?
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: Take that again? Why are you crying?
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 2: We can hear it, we can hear the crying. I'm like,
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. Just give me a minute.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 4: But it Yeah, No, I love doing the audiobook. It's
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 4: it's it's a labor of love because it's a lot
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: better when you read your own stuff. It's always weird
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: when someone else reads your stuff, I feel.
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 6: But I feel like Steve's repertoire for voices is literally
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 6: just high pitch and low pitch and normal.
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 2: That's three. That's three. I mean, you got that's what
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: everyone has.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 7: That's what everyone's got, But he's got a killer Christopher
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 7: walking though.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, high pitch, low pitch, normal and Christopher walking right. Well, congratulations,
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 4: thank you, thank you, and then again thank you for
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: making this happen.
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 1: Well, tell people how to go find all your stuff,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 1: so if they want to go see you perform, they
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: do what.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 4: You can just find me on Instagram. I post everything
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: at Stand Up Dan, Twitter at Stand Up Dan.
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: Post all your shows there. Yeah, if they want to
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 2: watch you on TV.
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 4: They need to get Netflix or steal a Netflix password
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: from someone you know and watch me on Cobra Kai
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: or on Discovery Plus Rate the Fridge. I am in
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: a new movie called The Donor Party that is yeah,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 4: with Malin Akerman and Rob Cordrey.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 4: And if I'm in your town, come come see me
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: perform at the at an open mic apparently.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 2: Tuesday night, Tuesday night of a mic.
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 3: I just followed you on Instagram.
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you. Stand up Dan, Stand up Dan?
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 4: Undercooked? Undercooked is the book anywhere books are sold? Yeah,
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 4: anywhe books are sold.
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 1: Now if everyone listened, everyone just buys on Amazon. The
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: New York Times will bone you on the list because
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: they don't they it's it's it's a long story.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: I know, but in the category books by Dana Duke.
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: It will still kick some ass. Yeah, they will. Thanks
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: for coming on, man, thanks for having me.
• 1:57:06
  Speaker 4: I really appreciate it.
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 8: You should host a hunting show with the rest of
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 8: the folks who blurbed your book on the back. Phil Rosenthal,
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 8: Hassan Minaj, Jimmy O Yang. I think that would be
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 8: an all star team that would be hunters in the field.
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and stay tuned for trivia. On question eight, Phil
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 1: will say and Dana's audio running.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: Wow, I'm knocking it down, dude. You're like competition, zerial confidence.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, I'm just playing.
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 2: I'm already playing.
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 9: Right, Oh seal great shine like silvering the sun.
• 1:57:56
  Speaker 2: Right, ride on alone, sweetheart.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 10: We're done beat this damp horse to death, So taking
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 10: a new one and ride away. We're done beat this
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 10: damn horse today. M hm, So take a new one
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 10: and ride on.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 8: H