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Love and Rockets Book Club #72 - V2 #2 · 22 Panels - A Comic Book Podcast

0:02
Tad Eggleston: Good morning, everybody! Welcome back to the Love & Rockets Book Club on 22 Panels, where, for the first time ever, Maria Marisol and I are in the same time zone, Marisol and I from outside of Chicago, as always, but Maria is visiting Mexico City.
0:21
Tad Eggleston: So, it's… it's 9.45 in the morning for all of us. It's kind of a weird feeling.
0:30
Maria Pena: Loving rockets.
0:32
Tad Eggleston: Volume 2, Number 2.
0:35
Tad Eggleston: Yes. Any opening thoughts?
0:39
Maria Pena: Well…
0:45
Marisol: I liked this first little, little story.
0:48
Maria Pena: Where's… what was the cover of the project? It was Julio.
0:59
Marisol: Yeah, I like the special one for Julio's day.
1:07
Maria Pena: So… I feel like this.
1:10
Maria Pena: It's, Go and Carrot Club.
1:20
Maria Pena: So it's kind of sad, like, you know, Julio's first day at school, and he gets this great book, he's gonna learn to read, and these fucking kids, you know, that are assholes, take his book and rip it up, and…
1:35
Maria Pena: you know, like, he's a… Julio's a sensitive kid.
1:41
Maria Pena: And, you know, he looks at the birds, and his first thought is not, let's kill them, it's like, look at that beauty.
1:48
Maria Pena: And that's all little kids.
1:50
Maria Pena: You know, and they… and they kind of beat him up.
1:57
Maria Pena: It's the tree. I mean, it's just horrible.
2:00
Marisol: Gets the beaten for… for, I guess, losing track of him.
2:05
Tad Eggleston: Right.
2:05
Maria Pena: Yeti.
2:07
Maria Pena: Yeah, the sister gets it as well. Like, she…
2:10
Maria Pena: Now, what was happening with the sister, and, like, what was she up to? Because she kind of got distracted by a boy, I think, or something, or by… yeah, she was just kind of in her own…
2:22
Tad Eggleston: to see something. If you want to, you can walk home. I'll be…
2:26
Tad Eggleston: Right along soon, is all she said.
2:30
Maria Pena: Yeah.
2:31
Maria Pena: Fantastic.
2:32
Marisol: looking up at the birds. She's such a sweet little kid.
2:36
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, so she goes and sees a… sees… just… just looks at a guy.
2:40
Maria Pena: Yeah, I guess she kind of wanted to go past the dude that she's got a crush on or something.
2:46
Tad Eggleston: Right.
2:47
Maria Pena: And then she, arrives home, and the parents are like, where's… where are the kids? And she goes, oh, shit.
2:54
Maria Pena: Coolio hasn't arrived, and she goes back and finds him.
2:59
Maria Pena: And, like, it's just heartbreaking. Like, you know, his book… like, you know, the first thing the teacher said was, take care of this book, the government's giving us this book, and obviously he
3:10
Maria Pena: He's gonna take care of it, but now it's ripped up.
3:14
Maria Pena: And the… Get him beaten up, and, you know, it's just like…
3:19
Maria Pena: What a shit day, really. I mean, it was a great day.
3:23
Maria Pena: point after I installed, you know… Yeah.
3:25
Tad Eggleston: I mean, he… actually seems…
3:28
Tad Eggleston: to have very much enjoyed his first day of school. So, like, he had this wonderful day.
3:34
Maria Pena: Yeah.
3:34
Marisol: It was just going home that was the problem.
3:37
Tad Eggleston: Until he got beat up, had his books stolen, and…
3:41
Tad Eggleston: Got hung in a tree without his pants.
3:45
Maria Pena: Yeah.
3:46
Tad Eggleston: Talk about a way to just, like… Destroy…
3:50
Maria Pena: Yeah.
3:51
Maria Pena: Your first… yeah, your first experience of school, and…
3:56
Maria Pena: Like, it kind of was, the sister kind of left him, you know, to his own devices, to be honest.
4:02
Maria Pena: Maybe she should be written up, no, just kidding.
4:05
Marisol: Well, the thing for me is…
4:08
Maria Pena: Did you deserve that meeting?
4:10
Marisol: Oh, at least, like, the kids, like, going to school and coming back home by themselves, and the older sister being in charge of the younger brother, this feels a lot like…
4:21
Marisol: Oh my god, of course, my upstairs neighbors are doing something, so I'm sorry that you're here, working.
4:26
Tad Eggleston: I can't, it's, it's, it's.
4:30
Maria Pena: No, Zoom got a… The block set out.
4:33
Marisol: Oh.
4:34
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, it's pretty good intent. Don't worry.
4:36
Marisol: Because it's obnoxious. But, like, this, this…
4:41
Marisol: like I said, the, the goal…
4:42
Maria Pena: Are they having sex or something upstairs?
4:47
Marisol: I… God, I hope not.
4:48
Tad Eggleston: It's like, I wish.
4:51
Tad Eggleston: Oh.
4:52
Maria Pena: It'll be more entertaining.
4:54
Marisol: The noises I'm hearing, I… I hope not. They're hitting something. Home repairs.
5:00
Maria Pena: Good bedhead. Anyway, sorry…
5:04
Tad Eggleston: Is there a rhythm to it?
5:09
Marisol: Right. But, like, the, seeing them go back and forth to school themselves, and, like, the older sister being in charge of the little kid, and just…
5:19
Marisol: you know, getting a whoopin' for not being, like, quote-unquote responsible, it reminds me of… A little bit.
5:27
Marisol: Of how my mom said she grew up in Mexico?
5:31
Marisol: Where the kids were just kind of, like, You're… you're responsible for, like.
5:37
Marisol: Getting yourself to and from school. Sometimes you gotta go to the store by yourself, and you're here, like, 5, 6, 7 years old doing that.
5:45
Maria Pena: yeah.
5:47
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, huh. I mean…
5:49
Maria Pena: Yeah, El Salvador too, you know, like…
5:51
Marisol: Bye-bye.
5:51
Maria Pena: My brother needed to buy his school clothes, and he was, like, 7 years old, and my mom had to work, and she, you know, he went on a bus to the center of the city and bought himself some clothes, and he was telling him to go by himself. I mean, he was very…
6:10
Maria Pena: He was very… For 7, but, you know, but that was the kind of level of those… in the
6:16
Maria Pena: you know, 60s, I guess, or whatever. I don't know.
6:21
Marisol: 70s, 70s.
6:23
Tad Eggleston: Yes, some of that lasts into… to even later in, like, small town areas, because I remember visiting my grandmother in Galena, or my Aunt Janet in any number of small towns that she was a pastor in.
6:38
Tad Eggleston: When I was young.
6:41
Maria Pena: I feel like, you know…
6:44
Tad Eggleston: I don't think I was much older than 7 before I was allowed to walk down the hill into downtown and shop on my own and come back. You know, as long as there was, like, a controlled area where they knew how to find you.
6:59
Tad Eggleston: You know, that…
7:03
Tad Eggleston: used to be more the norm, I feel like. I feel like that's one of the things that changed massively with video games.
7:11
Tad Eggleston: I think that, that, like…
7:13
Tad Eggleston: It really, it really, it really says a lot about how much of parenting is actually about the parent, because, like.
7:22
Tad Eggleston: When it was,
7:26
Tad Eggleston: When the only way to have the kids out of your hair was to have them go outside and play and roam.
7:34
Tad Eggleston: Then it was character building.
7:37
Tad Eggleston: When you can send them to the basement to play video games and get the same thing, then how dare you allow them to be out on their own? Don't you know there are dangerous people?
7:48
Maria Pena: Yeah, I know.
7:51
Maria Pena: I think so, also, we're more aware of, you know, the dangerous people out there, but.
7:55
Tad Eggleston: We are, but they're also statistically less than they used to be.
8:01
Maria Pena: Yes, yes, especially now with all the CCTV, really, like…
8:05
Tad Eggleston: It's actually way less dangerous in the world than it was in the 50s.
8:11
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Much less, like…
8:12
Marisol: Cambos everywhere.
8:13
Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, I…
8:14
Tad Eggleston: Much less likely to get just randomly beat up by older kids who have nothing better to do, because, like.
8:23
Tad Eggleston: That's not only more frowned upon now, but, like.
8:28
Tad Eggleston: The consequences are more likely to be, like, jail time rather than their parents getting mad at them.
8:36
Tad Eggleston: You know.
8:37
Maria Pena: exactly.
8:40
Maria Pena: Yeah.
8:42
Maria Pena: Poor Julio.
8:43
Marisol: It makes me feel better.
8:45
Maria Pena: In the last frame…
8:46
Marisol: kid!
8:47
Marisol: And here they are, just beating them up for no reason, and ripping.
8:50
Tad Eggleston: Well, and the birds. The birds kill me.
8:54
Maria Pena: The birds at the end with the, yeah.
8:56
Tad Eggleston: installed.
8:57
Marisol: I've done that.
8:58
Maria Pena: Like, oh, you just want to kill those kids. Not kill them, but, you know what I mean? You want to just give them a…
9:03
Tad Eggleston: You want to have Julio's papa take that strap to him.
9:07
Maria Pena: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, with the nail in it. It's like, Jesus.
9:13
Tad Eggleston: The nail is just what's hung on. It's not…
9:16
Maria Pena: No, no, no. Oh, I see.
9:20
Maria Pena: Oh, I thought it had a nail on it. I was like, gee.
9:23
Tad Eggleston: No, no, no, no, no.
9:24
Maria Pena: Those have been extreme.
9:27
Tad Eggleston: I know, it's not that level of cruelty, it's that level of preparedness.
9:33
Maria Pena: Yes, yes.
9:35
Maria Pena: It's got a…
9:36
Marisol: Thumbnail in…
9:37
Tad Eggleston: I don't need to go find something to spank you with. I have it hanging right here.
9:43
Marisol: Yes, ready?
9:44
Maria Pena: It's ready for action.
9:46
Maria Pena: Yep. Yeah.
9:48
Maria Pena: Yeah, so I really enjoyed that story, although it made me sad, I'm gonna say, but .
9:54
Marisol: Yeah.
9:56
Maria Pena: Alright.
9:58
Tad Eggleston: Business Suit Magazine army.
10:00
Tad Eggleston: I mean, not as much as most other Maggies, but, like…
10:05
Tad Eggleston: You know, this is a cool pinup.
10:08
Maria Pena: Yeah.
10:10
Maria Pena: So Maggie's having a bit of a… what is it? This is a… not a midlife crisis, but a sort of a… yeah, you know…
10:18
Maria Pena: Early?
10:19
Marisol: Okay.
10:19
Maria Pena: Adulthood crisis, or something.
10:21
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
10:22
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
10:24
Tad Eggleston: Trying to figure out… What she wants, what she's doing.
10:27
Maria Pena: She's still cool. You know, I'm not cool anymore, I'm not a kid, but, you know, so…
10:34
Marisol: But I'm not a, you know.
10:35
Maria Pena: I haven't achieved yet anything yet, and even her ex-boyfriend are ugly guys, but a pretty girlfriend. I love her expression here on this page in the middle right panel. Yes.
10:47
Tad Eggleston: bring up It's just…
10:50
Marisol: My shallow?
10:53
Tad Eggleston: Like, like, the absolute horror.
10:55
Maria Pena: Yeah, she thinks…
10:56
Tad Eggleston: So, am I shallow.
10:58
Maria Pena: And I love that last panel there, that was… I almost bagged it as.
11:05
Tad Eggleston: I'm normal.
11:06
Maria Pena: I was like, yeah, look, that's a t-shirt.
11:09
Tad Eggleston: Actually, it's like a two-panel thing.
11:12
Tad Eggleston: Just going… going vertically here.
11:15
Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
11:16
Tad Eggleston: like, shallow.
11:17
Tad Eggleston: Am I?
11:19
Tad Eggleston: Have I been living off this punk cockiness so long that I couldn't see? I really have nothing to say?
11:25
Tad Eggleston: No wonder Tony Chase divorced me, she says, with just, like, absolute exaggerated horror, and then the panel down is, you know, the silhouetted head down.
11:39
Tad Eggleston: I'm… Normal.
11:41
Marisol: Normal!
11:44
Maria Pena: Yeah, that's a… that's a whole image right there, like…
11:49
Marisol: Incredible.
11:50
Maria Pena: Everybody can relate to that, to relate to that.
11:53
Marisol: Well, you kind of realize, oh, I'm just average. I love…
11:59
Tad Eggleston: I love it when you have a grid page like this and discover that you can read it in different ways and have it be just.
12:05
Maria Pena: is interested.
12:06
Tad Eggleston: Interesting.
12:07
Maria Pena: Yes.
12:09
Maria Pena: You know, you've got a very interesting story just reading down.
12:14
Tad Eggleston: across.
12:15
Marisol: Yep.
12:17
Tad Eggleston: And they both managed to convey roughly the same message.
12:22
Maria Pena: Yeah. You know.
12:25
Maria Pena: Yeah, it never occur to me to do that, but you're right.
12:28
Tad Eggleston: I mean, it does sometimes, like, one of the reasons it's been occurring to me more is we seem to be going through another period with
12:36
Tad Eggleston: a handful of creators doing, like, really weird stuff with comics. Like, there was… the newest issue of Ice Cream Man was a deck of cards.
12:46
Maria Pena: Oh, okay.
12:47
Tad Eggleston: And they're, like, they're intended to be read in a specific order, but at the same time, like, you know…
12:53
Tad Eggleston: That you could start messing around in. Right, like, it warns you not to shuffle them, blah blah blah, but it almost feels like a dare.
13:04
Maria Pena: Are they numbered, or are they…
13:05
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, they're.
13:06
Maria Pena: You have to work it out. They're numbered. Oh, that's good.
13:10
Marisol: So at least we know the order.
13:11
Maria Pena: And they cut…
13:12
Tad Eggleston: And they come in order, but… but, like…
13:16
Marisol: I'm hastened to shuffle, though.
13:18
Tad Eggleston: And, like… Right there.
13:20
Tad Eggleston: the last issue of Absolute Martian Manhunter, they did a thing where to really get what's going on in the last page, you actually have to hold it up to the light so that the other side will shine through.
13:36
Marisol: Oh!
13:37
Marisol: No, go.
13:38
Tad Eggleston: You know, so, so…
13:40
Maria Pena: Getting very conceptual.
13:43
Tad Eggleston: Well, I mean, this is the stuff that, like, they do in Raw Magazine and whatnot way back.
13:49
Tad Eggleston: Right? But to see stuff like that showing up in mainstream comics just has.
13:54
Maria Pena: as me.
13:55
Tad Eggleston: anytime I'm looking at things, trying to look at it from…
13:58
Tad Eggleston: As many different angles as possible.
14:01
Tad Eggleston: And as I was zooming in on the horrified Maggie pop…
14:06
Tad Eggleston: column, I just immediately went down and went, oh my god, that… those two columns would just be a great thing to throw on your wall.
14:13
Marisol: Oh, yeah.
14:17
Maria Pena: Yep.
14:22
Maria Pena: Yeah.
14:23
Tad Eggleston: We learn about Hopi's Eye here, don't we?
14:26
Marisol: Yes.
14:27
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Yeah.
14:29
Maria Pena: Yes, we know what happened to Hopi Thai.
14:31
Marisol: Nope.
14:32
Tad Eggleston: And, the glass when Frogmouth got hit with a box.
14:36
Maria Pena: BM.
14:37
Tad Eggleston: So of course she blames Frogmouth for getting hit out over the head with the bottle. It's not the… it's not the woman who hit her with the bottle.
14:45
Marisol: It's maybe…
14:46
Maria Pena: Of course. But Frogmouth was… was…
14:49
Maria Pena: Well, Vivian was running her math, you know, as she always does, is what… so she brings trouble to herself, and then other people get hurt as well. I think it's the, what he's thinking.
15:02
Tad Eggleston: I mean, yes, but Vivian's also kinda… Hopi's type, and into men.
15:09
Tad Eggleston: Say it.
15:11
Maria Pena: I think there's a bit of, misdirected, kind of, some kind of attraction or something.
15:18
Marisol: No, no, part of this is knowing… knowing…
15:20
Tad Eggleston: Like, some of the… well, I don't… I don't think we got to it here.
15:26
Tad Eggleston: knowing some of the future between Vivi and Maggie, you know…
15:32
Maria Pena: Oh, man.
15:33
Tad Eggleston: Hopi is definitely jealous that they wind up having… At least some.
15:43
Maria Pena: Kind of thing, yeah.
15:44
Tad Eggleston: Right.
15:44
Maria Pena: Yeah, because Viva's very, keen on hanging out with Maggie.
15:51
Maria Pena: Yeah, like, she keeps kind of thinking, like, let's go do this, let's go do that.
15:58
Tad Eggleston: Oh, I learned what these things were called recently.
16:01
Marisol: Oh, yeah?
16:02
Tad Eggleston: And I can't remember right now. There's actually a word for, like, the sweat things flying off in comics. I don't remember what it is.
16:14
Marisol: Oh no! I don't know.
16:17
Maria Pena: I know. Meh.
16:18
Marisol: Nemon?
16:19
Tad Eggleston: But I do, I do love this, this…
16:21
Marisol: I didn't know they had the actual name.
16:23
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Well, kind of like, when they replace a swear word with symbols, it's called Grolics.
16:31
Marisol: Oh.
16:33
Marisol: I didn't know that had a name either.
16:36
Marisol: I learned something today.
16:38
Maria Pena: That's a great cartoony kind of… I was, noticing last night, Jaime's handling of, drapery. I was just like, he's just…
16:49
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
16:50
Maria Pena: Like, all the…
16:51
Maria Pena: great, because Maggie's wearing his loose jacket. Oh, yeah, no. He's handling his, the sleeves, and even the little wrinkles on the tight pants on the…
17:05
Tad Eggleston: I was gonna say, the… well, and the way the flare…
17:08
Tad Eggleston: Yeah. Yeah, no, Jaime has always been very serious about making… Making clothes hang properly.
17:17
Maria Pena: Yeah.
17:18
Maria Pena: Yeah.
17:19
Marisol: Incredible.
17:20
Maria Pena: But it's particularly, like, there's so much drapery in this, like, look at all those jeans when the girls are having it.
17:25
Marisol: Bye. Yeah.
17:26
Maria Pena: Like, there's so many, little… little creases.
17:32
Tad Eggleston: I hope bail isn't more than $7.30.
17:38
Maria Pena: Yeah, it's great.
17:40
Marisol: Oh, man.
17:41
Maria Pena: a great panel with Maggie, following, Vivian into this for this. Just getting manhandled into there.
17:53
Maria Pena: It's great.
17:53
Marisol: The one on the top right of this page, where she's just waiting while Vivian's in a fight.
18:00
Maria Pena: He's not gonna get involved. Nope.
18:04
Marisol: I'm gonna hang out right over here.
18:06
Tad Eggleston: She's not even staring like the boys. The boys are all staring because we're at the, don't take my fucking top off, bitch, don't take mine off!
18:13
Maria Pena: Yeah, boys, I won't.
18:14
Tad Eggleston: Oh, we're not gonna… we don't want to split this up anymore.
18:20
Tad Eggleston: Carry on!
18:21
Maria Pena: Go!
18:22
Marisol: Anyway!
18:25
Maria Pena: No, but, you know, Maggie's got enough, you know, street smarts to know that if she gets involved, she's gonna get pulled out, she's gonna end up in jail, so she just, like, stays right out of it, and then she waits.
18:41
Maria Pena: Alright.
18:43
Marisol: Hmm.
18:45
Maria Pena: I love the stars around the girls fighting, too.
18:48
Marisol: Yep.
18:51
Tad Eggleston: And then we go back to… Part 2 of our…
18:56
Maria Pena: Yes.
18:57
Marisol: Hmm.
18:57
Maria Pena: And.
18:58
Tad Eggleston: That's true.
18:59
Maria Pena: earlier that, I got to that beat, and I thought.
19:03
Maria Pena: It's been so long since we read Part 1 that I had to go back and read the Part 1 again, because I was like, who's this guy again?
19:12
Tad Eggleston: I didn't, but I just remembered. He's the guy that saw the opportunity to run off on his… with all the money, and left his family, left everybody, and…
19:20
Maria Pena: Cares or something, yeah.
19:22
Tad Eggleston: Doesn't look like that actually worked well for him.
19:25
Marisol: Nope.
19:26
Maria Pena: Yeah.
19:27
Maria Pena: So he's tied up in a boat.
19:30
Maria Pena: Ugh.
19:31
Tad Eggleston: Beat to hell.
19:33
Tad Eggleston: But he's still got his briefcase.
19:36
Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah. So this is a very dense story, I gotta say. You know, I had to… once I went back, I kind of…
19:44
Maria Pena: I'll kind of went, okay, I think I'll get more of a grasp.
19:49
Maria Pena: But the old man, the owner, the original owner of the company is…
19:56
Maria Pena: the peasants, or somebody has flooded the valley, and he… and he's been evacuated, and then all the,
20:04
Maria Pena: All the servants or whatever are taking all his stuff.
20:09
Maria Pena: And then this is the wife of the…
20:11
Maria Pena: Meanwhile, the guy's family's got a… Gotcha.
20:17
Marisol: This one at the bottom there with the… the butler carrying the guy in here.
20:23
Tad Eggleston: On the chair.
20:24
Marisol: I'll go back.
20:25
Maria Pena: Yeah.
20:26
Marisol: That might… that might be my favorite panel just for that. Yeah, that's great.
20:29
Tad Eggleston: I do appreciate the fact that he says, you know, Chestwig, I don't pay you enough.
20:34
Marisol: Yep, that's true.
20:37
Maria Pena: At least, yeah, he appreciates that, yeah.
20:39
Tad Eggleston: and… Just because this came up recently in… in…
20:44
Tad Eggleston: discussion with my cousin, because my grandfather also did art, not comic art, but…
20:50
Tad Eggleston: But he was,
20:52
Tad Eggleston: sketch artist, and she talked about loving his skies, and it immediately made me think of Beto, so this is…
21:00
Maria Pena: That's right.
21:01
Tad Eggleston: Classic Beto Sky.
21:03
Tad Eggleston: Classic Beto Sky.
21:05
Maria Pena: I love the way he draws his skies.
21:08
Maria Pena: Yep.
21:11
Maria Pena: Yeah.
21:12
Tad Eggleston: We haven't… we haven't had any erotostigmata in a while.
21:16
Marisol: No.
21:17
Maria Pena: Yeah.
21:17
Tad Eggleston: It's kinda cool to be back to that, though this was a…
21:21
Maria Pena: Yay.
21:21
Tad Eggleston: BS story.
21:23
Maria Pena: Very trivy, yeah, she's…
21:25
Tad Eggleston: They all are.
21:26
Maria Pena: portrait?
21:26
Tad Eggleston: all the different cures that she's trying to find for her. Right.
21:31
Maria Pena: dilemma, per se.
21:34
Tad Eggleston: I like the.
21:38
Maria Pena: The middle panel there, floating in the…
21:41
Tad Eggleston: the middle panel, but I also like this balloon that's.
21:45
Maria Pena: She's like…
21:46
Tad Eggleston: Then it gets higher, and it's…
21:49
Maria Pena: Yeah, and it's just tethered to this post.
21:53
Tad Eggleston: Right.
21:53
Maria Pena: Yeah. Yeah.
21:55
Maria Pena: Very, very… LA.
21:57
Tad Eggleston: the skyline.
21:59
Maria Pena: Yeah, I love that last panel.
22:01
Tad Eggleston: to the skyline.
22:02
Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
22:04
Maria Pena: And yeah, like, her expression is like, goddamn.
22:08
Maria Pena: Yep.
22:10
Maria Pena: I continued to search for it.
22:15
Maria Pena: Is Natalia Beto's daughter's name?
22:20
Tad Eggleston: It is.
22:22
Tad Eggleston: Which, which made me, which made me love this even more, because it's Roy…
22:29
Maria Pena: We're in the top.
22:30
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
22:31
Tad Eggleston: And now, the Roy comic also features stories from Natalia, so I loved the…
22:39
Tad Eggleston: The real world synchronicity of that.
22:45
Maria Pena: It's obviously portrayed her there, like, he's made a very big effort to make her look like…
22:51
Maria Pena: Natalia, I would assume.
22:54
Maria Pena: It looks like a very, very carefully done.
22:58
Tad Eggleston: I totally forgot to ask Beto about that when I talked to him last week. It was in the back of my head. As soon as… as soon as I read this, when we were, you know, before we had to cancel, because my wife was in the hospital, I went, oh, I've got Beto on the calendar, I'm gonna have to ask him about this. And then I completely forgot.
23:17
Marisol: I don't know.
23:18
Maria Pena: Oh well.
23:20
Tad Eggleston: We had plenty to talk about, it was fine. But yeah, Roy and Natalia go way back to Love & Rockets Volume 2, Number 2.
23:29
Tad Eggleston: Which… came out in… July of 2001?
23:37
Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, she would have been about… cause she's…
23:40
Tad Eggleston: I wanna say she's, like, smack dab between my kids.
23:44
Tad Eggleston: Age-wise.
23:46
Maria Pena: Okay.
23:47
Tad Eggleston: My son was 2001, my daughter was 98, I think she was 99 or 2000.
23:55
Maria Pena: Wow.
23:59
Maria Pena: Alright.
24:02
Maria Pena: And I love the back cover of this.
24:05
Maria Pena: got to it, and I went, whoa!
24:08
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
24:08
Maria Pena: Like, this is my favorite pedal for today, before anybody else bikes it.
24:13
Tad Eggleston: It's outstanding.
24:16
Tad Eggleston: Little things, like the fact that the shoe is old.
24:18
Maria Pena: falling apart. Right.
24:21
Maria Pena: It reminds me of,
24:24
Maria Pena: of, Henry Cartier-Bresson's The Decisive, that this is… this is… Photo that he took.
24:32
Maria Pena: Of a man jumping over a puzzle, and he's just…
24:35
Maria Pena: In midair, and there's a reflection of… there's this massive paddle… puddle.
24:40
Maria Pena: And there's a reflection of the man. Like, if this guy had a perfectly perfect reflection underneath.
24:47
Maria Pena: And it's silhouetted, I mean, yeah, it's… Pretty awesome.
24:53
Tad Eggleston: What I also love…
24:54
Maria Pena: Chairman.
24:55
Tad Eggleston: Is you can't quite figure out what he's doing.
24:59
Maria Pena: No, it's…
25:00
Tad Eggleston: On one side, it almost looks like he's walking off a tall building, like, I'm ending it all, but then he has an audience that doesn't seem…
25:09
Tad Eggleston: Doesn't seem like, oh my god, what are you doing?
25:13
Marisol: Yep.
25:14
Maria Pena: Hmm.
25:15
Tad Eggleston: And now the background doesn't look as much like…
25:20
Tad Eggleston: A building under construction because of the audience, and is that a beer keg in the middle, or is that something else?
25:28
Tad Eggleston: You know, there's so many things that could be multiple things, and so many little details, like… like this guy wearing glasses.
25:38
Tad Eggleston: Just can barely see the silhouette of the glasses on the bald guy.
25:43
Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah, no, I know. And then there's a woman with a cigarette, and…
25:47
Tad Eggleston: Right.
25:48
Maria Pena: Yeah.
25:49
Maria Pena: And, like, even his tie clip, you know, you can see.
25:53
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
25:54
Maria Pena: Can you see in the chat the image pages?
25:57
Maria Pena: Yeah, so, reminds me of that each.
26:00
Marisol: Let's see… Oh, nice!
26:04
Tad Eggleston: chat window.
26:06
Maria Pena: So that's, Henry Cartier-Bristol.
26:12
Marisol: Oh, that's cool.
26:13
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I see it.
26:15
Maria Pena: Yeah.
26:17
Maria Pena: But as soon as I saw it, I was like, oh my god, that reminds me.
26:22
Maria Pena: It's a very, iconic, iconic photo. Anyway, yeah.
26:29
Maria Pena: Love it, love it.
26:32
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
26:36
Maria Pena: Okay, so we go through Luba?
26:39
Tad Eggleston: We shall.
26:47
Marisol: For Luba, I love the front cover, where…
26:51
Tad Eggleston: discover.
26:51
Marisol: Ophelia's front and center, and the rest of the family is around her.
26:56
Marisol: I mean, they're all just heads on the cover, but… Still.
27:00
Marisol: I like seeing the family in color every once in a while to see just how
27:05
Marisol: Similar and different they all are.
27:09
Maria Pena: Hmm.
27:10
Maria Pena: And it's like, they all revolve around Ophelia, you know, Ophelia.
27:16
Maria Pena: Lago is like this rock that they're all part of.
27:20
Maria Pena: You know, depended upon.
27:23
Marisol: She is their son in their universe.
27:26
Maria Pena: Hmm.
27:27
Maria Pena: Yeah, exactly.
27:34
Tad Eggleston: I love the, almost… Old-time movie.
27:41
Marisol: Yeah, with the credits.
27:43
Tad Eggleston: Silent movie credit cards.
27:46
Maria Pena: Yay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:48
Marisol: Who knows?
27:49
Maria Pena: Yeah, it's great, like, the credits, and then you get a little bit of characters.
27:56
Maria Pena: I love this first splash page.
28:04
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, the darkness.
28:07
Maria Pena: Yeah.
28:09
Maria Pena: Just the way she blends into… Well, and it's, like.
28:13
Tad Eggleston: Like… you know, I might have finally found the Luba t-shirt that I can have, because, like.
28:22
Tad Eggleston: My wife's always uncomfortable with doing anything with Luba because her bosom is the defining feature, and here, you have enough cleavage to remind you, but it's not because of the way that she's not actually
28:40
Tad Eggleston: Her body's not outlined, it fades into the bladder.
28:44
Maria Pena: Yeah.
28:46
Maria Pena: Yeah.
28:46
Tad Eggleston: It actually focuses more on her… her face.
28:51
Marisol: A little bit of her neck and chest, but that's not the first thing your eyes are drawn to.
28:55
Tad Eggleston: Right.
28:58
Maria Pena: Yeah.
29:03
Maria Pena: Not to worry, there they are.
29:06
Marisol: Oh my god.
29:07
Maria Pena: Next page, you get a good…
29:09
Marisol: We got him!
29:12
Maria Pena: You can't see what I'm wondering.
29:16
Maria Pena: Oh, gosh.
29:18
Maria Pena: She's, she's got the, you know, tight top there, isn't it?
29:21
Marisol: Poke it out.
29:25
Marisol: Everyone in this family likes tight shirts.
29:30
Tad Eggleston: Seems to be a thing.
29:32
Maria Pena: From the beginning of the story, you think something's happened to Ophelia. She had a heart attack, and it's like… and everybody's really distressed, and you go, she died? What's going on?
29:44
Marisol: That's what I thought, seeing that first page with her portrait, like, oh, God.
29:48
Marisol: Ophelia finally died and left her book unfinished, and now it's…
29:55
Marisol: Causing chaos in the family, or it's going to…
29:59
Maria Pena: Nobody's having…
30:00
Marisol: Oh, lying in a hospital bed after she got the shit beat out of her.
30:05
Maria Pena: Yeah, bye Visa.
30:06
Tad Eggleston: By Penn.
30:07
Marisol: Yeah, sorry, bitch.
30:09
Maria Pena: Petra, sorry.
30:11
Maria Pena: And then, I love… I love Fritz coming and putting her boobs on her face, like, oh!
30:19
Marisol: Don't worry, boobs will heal you!
30:22
Maria Pena: Yeah.
30:23
Tad Eggleston: I love the line here. Oh, Luba, I'll call you when it's just been too crazy. Busy. Yeah, busy putting on weight. Oof.
30:34
Marisol: Damn.
30:37
Maria Pena: Yes.
30:37
Marisol: It moves in the background in that first panel on the left?
30:41
Maria Pena: I know, I know, yeah, yeah.
30:42
Marisol: Right under, Chris's boobs.
30:45
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I just noticed that. I was like, oh, there's boots. Boots?
30:50
Maria Pena: I've just been hiding in a couple of panels already, because Boots… Boots is on…
30:56
Tad Eggleston: Boots is there with Luba. Is Boots on page 1 too?
30:59
Maria Pena: everything. No boots on page one, but…
31:04
Tad Eggleston: We get a little bit of boots on two panels on page 3, and… and…
31:11
Tad Eggleston: More boots on page 4.
31:14
Tad Eggleston: Does Boots actually speak in this story, though?
31:17
Maria Pena: Or is she just there? It's almost like, find… find the boots, you know? Find boots.
31:24
Marisol: Yeah, like, where's Waldo but for boots?
31:28
Tad Eggleston: You gotta love Fortunato.
31:30
Maria Pena: Play a little good.
31:31
Tad Eggleston: Visiting the hospital.
31:35
Maria Pena: Yeah.
31:37
Maria Pena: Yeah, he's got a new hair… hairdo, a little mullet.
31:42
Maria Pena: And, and of course, as soon as sex happens, Fortunato!
31:46
Marisol: He is. His big title card.
31:49
Tad Eggleston: Just, yeah.
31:54
Maria Pena: That's hilarious.
31:55
Tad Eggleston: And then Boots finally gets a whole headshot. Still no dialogue. No, one.
32:02
Marisol: The next panel, yeah.
32:03
Maria Pena: She's, she's talking.
32:05
Tad Eggleston: Are you gonna dress as ace?
32:07
Maria Pena: Just listen.
32:09
Maria Pena: She listens.
32:10
Tad Eggleston: Samurai rabbit.
32:11
Maria Pena: is… .
32:13
Marisol: Interest.
32:15
Maria Pena: I guess she's taking notes for her book.
32:17
Marisol: Everything then knows everything.
32:25
Maria Pena: Hmm.
32:26
Maria Pena: Oh boy, Luba, Jesus.
32:29
Maria Pena: Yeah, it's a lot of big booths, and this… this page is, like, ugharama. I've just noticed.
32:35
Tad Eggleston: Well, you know, I mean, with people in the hospital, there's nobody left over the age of 12 that doesn't have boobs.
32:44
Maria Pena: Enormous boobs.
32:46
Marisol: Damn.
32:50
Marisol: Good, that's fine.
32:53
Marisol: Now we have Guadalupe here, like, doing some stuff for, people's show, too.
32:59
Marisol: Right? That's what she's still doing.
33:01
Tad Eggleston: Well, and the guy's going to talk to Fortunato.
33:05
Marisol: Gantil and Sergio.
33:13
Marisol: Mmm, do we get a…
33:15
Maria Pena: No, I was almost expecting Fortunato to… to, to fuck Sergio for some reason.
33:22
Tad Eggleston: Well, you know, I mean, there's still time.
33:24
Maria Pena: Because, you know, nobody can resist him.
33:29
Marisol: Yep.
33:30
Maria Pena: unfortunate.
33:32
Tad Eggleston: Oh, they put him in the trunk, that's right.
33:35
Marisol: Oh, this panel.
33:37
Maria Pena: of the.
33:37
Marisol: computer of what Gaza was.
33:39
Tad Eggleston: Guadalians, you know, a love story.
33:42
Maria Pena: Yeah, Gato is, like, almost encouraging, Guadalupe to sleep with Sarah.
33:48
Marisol: Thank you.
33:50
Maria Pena: He's all made up in his mind that they're going to sleep together. It's really weird.
33:55
Maria Pena: And he started thinking how… and then I'll get back to people.
33:58
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
34:00
Maria Pena: So… Yeah.
34:03
Maria Pena: Whoa.
34:04
Maria Pena: Another… Oh, baby.
34:12
Tad Eggleston: Notice, oh, yes.
34:14
Maria Pena: Then we, we see, at the bottom panel here, we see Ophelia on her back, and you think, okay, she did die, you know?
34:22
Marisol: Yep.
34:23
Marisol: What's up? I just stared at this page.
34:29
Marisol: where Ophelia gets up and, like, starts packing some clothes, and, like.
34:34
Marisol: Is… did she actually survive that heart attack, and she's actually here packing shit up? Or is this all Luba's imagination?
34:43
Maria Pena: To explain, I thought about that.
34:45
Marisol: Julia dying.
34:47
Maria Pena: Yeah.
34:48
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, Lube is thinking of it as her…
34:53
Tad Eggleston: Her abandoning me and going back home, I hadn't thought of that.
35:04
Maria Pena: Yeah, well…
35:06
Marisol: Louise.
35:07
Maria Pena: And, oh, and Luba sort of reminds…
35:11
Maria Pena: Ophelia, that Ophelia used to kind of…
35:14
Maria Pena: I don't know if it beat her up or whatever, maybe she did.
35:17
Marisol: And we threaten to.
35:18
Tad Eggleston: I think she did some early on.
35:22
Maria Pena: Yeah.
35:24
Marisol: When Luble was first, her and her family.
35:26
Tad Eggleston: Ophelia mellowed after the church fell on her.
35:32
Marisol: I forgot.
35:35
Maria Pena: So good.
35:37
Marisol: Why her back is a problem.
35:39
Tad Eggleston: Oh, wait, there's no big Fortunato in this scene, though.
35:43
Marisol: Nope, he just…
35:44
Maria Pena: That's a sh…
35:44
Marisol: beat out of him.
35:46
Maria Pena: Yeah.
35:47
Tad Eggleston: So he only… he only gets the big Fortunato when he's fucking, not when he's getting fucked.
35:54
Marisol: Meh.
35:54
Maria Pena: Oh, that's right.
35:55
Maria Pena: Yeah.
35:57
Maria Pena: Yeah. Funny? Oh, yeah, it's only, I think, when he, achieves orgasm, probably.
36:04
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah, no.
36:06
Maria Pena: Maybe. Oh, man, yeah, that's a horrible beating, that's circular.
36:09
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, no, this is…
36:11
Tad Eggleston: You know, I overall like Sergio, and this is definitely one of the moments that makes it hard to like Sergio.
36:19
Maria Pena: Yeah, that's very beyond.
36:23
Marisol: Gotcha hanging out in the back, just watching this happen.
36:27
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, but I never liked Gatto.
36:29
Marisol: No.
36:30
Marisol: I don't think any of us did.
36:32
Tad Eggleston: I mean, that was actually a recurring theme in my recent conversation with Beto, and like,
36:38
Tad Eggleston: We're still along…
36:40
Tad Eggleston: ways from it in our reading, so I won't give away too much, but, like, a lot of his recent stuff is centered on Fritz, and…
36:48
Tad Eggleston: Fritz is a really complicated character, you know? The more recent stuff has made it really hard to like Fritz.
36:55
Marisol: Oh.
36:56
Tad Eggleston: You know, and that's been hard for me, reading it, as brilliant as it is, because, like.
37:02
Tad Eggleston: A lot of the stuff before it made it really easy to like France.
37:06
Marisol: Yeah.
37:07
Maria Pena: Mmm.
37:12
Tad Eggleston: So, yeah, no, he, he, he, he…
37:19
Tad Eggleston: He really is a master of showing… that people… Aren't just one thing.
37:28
Marisol: And now we have here both, I guess, Ophelia and Kamo left the house?
37:33
Tad Eggleston: Right. I mean, overall, Sergio is somebody that we've known as a generally good guy.
37:39
Tad Eggleston: Takes care of his mom.
37:41
Tad Eggleston: Ladies man, but not in a… like…
37:46
Marisol: Overly gross way.
37:48
Tad Eggleston: Right, I mean, one of the times that we spent the most time with Sergio was actually in the story with Venus that we got from both sides, and it's like…
37:59
Tad Eggleston: Oh, he's taking this kid along, and yeah, he's… he's doing some shady shit, but it seems more like he's trying to…
38:05
Tad Eggleston: Bail loved ones out of shady shit.
38:10
Tad Eggleston: And he's managing to take care of this little kid while he does it, and… And now, like…
38:19
Tad Eggleston: I mean, what has Fortunato Done.
38:23
Tad Eggleston: Really.
38:25
Tad Eggleston: Like, none of the women… Who have been involved with them.
38:30
Tad Eggleston: seem to have been unwillingly involved with them. None of them seem to have been…
38:41
Tad Eggleston: Upset with how things went, and none of them have left their, like, committed relationships because of it.
38:50
Maria Pena: Right.
38:51
Tad Eggleston: He's just sick of spreading… he's just spreading happiness, really.
38:55
Marisol: Right.
38:56
Tad Eggleston: So, essentially, all Fortunato is, is, like.
39:00
Tad Eggleston: A sign of the ways in which The other men around… these women…
39:12
Tad Eggleston: Fail, or, or can't… Y-you know…
39:16
Tad Eggleston: Leave at least something to be desired.
39:21
Tad Eggleston: But, like, clearly not everything, or the women would leave them.
39:27
Tad Eggleston: They like to have their dalliances with Fortunato, and the men just can't handle that.
39:35
Marisol: Hmm.
39:38
Maria Pena: Yeah.
39:42
Marisol: I find it incredible that a good portion of Luba's family that was involved with Fortunato
39:47
Marisol: Plus people, I think. Yes, people at that point.
39:50
Tad Eggleston: Pipo, Luba… Both of her sisters, at least one of her daughters… no, at least two of her daughters.
39:58
Marisol: I think it was Doralis and Guadalupe?
40:02
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
40:03
Marisol: I think…
40:04
Maria Pena: Hmm.
40:05
Maria Pena: I think Fortunato is an otherworldly character, and I…
40:08
Tad Eggleston: Well, and that's exactly… that's exactly what I'm wondering, is…
40:13
Tad Eggleston: And it's one of those things I can't remember, because, like, I've read Love and Rockets in order once, and I've read it out of order a lot of times, so I sometimes have trouble remembering what stories go where. I'm not 100% certain this is the last we see of Fortunato, which… which raises the question, is Fortunato…
40:34
Tad Eggleston: Like, one of the… the… .
40:39
Maria Pena: It's a…
40:40
Tad Eggleston: Realism.
40:40
Maria Pena: kind of…
40:41
Tad Eggleston: Elements of the story, where he's like… he's like the… the god of female pleasure.
40:48
Maria Pena: like, the sixth angel.
40:51
Marisol: a little bit of backstory on him, where he, along with, like, I think one or two other boys, were raised by this guy to basically be…
41:02
Marisol: Womanizer.
41:03
Maria Pena: Right?
41:04
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
41:05
Marisol: And Fortunato was just… immensely… I grew up to be immensely, almost supernaturally attractive.
41:15
Marisol: To women.
41:16
Maria Pena: Yep.
41:17
Marisol: It was just, like, effortless for him to…
41:20
Maria Pena: But in a kind of… in a very benign kind of way.
41:24
Marisol: Yeah.
41:25
Maria Pena: I think the other guy who meant it, the guy who brought the kids up, meant it as a revenge kind of thing.
41:33
Tad Eggleston: Well, but that could…
41:34
Maria Pena: Ginato, kind of…
41:35
Tad Eggleston: I mean, that plays so much into magical realism, because can't you see that being, like, a Zeus-type character, and Fortunato is the, like, half-god that's like, yeah, dad, I like what you taught me, but you're full of shit.
41:54
Marisol: I never thought about it that way. That makes a lot of sense.
41:58
Tad Eggleston: You know, what if we used our powers for good?
42:03
Marisol: He's not able to… malicious… Force in all of this.
42:09
Tad Eggleston: No, no. Like, his scene in this one, he's like, oh, so you want me to leave too? No I don't. Let me see how I can open my mouth around these bandages.
42:20
Marisol: Nope.
42:22
Tad Eggleston: Fortunato!
42:28
Maria Pena: Mmm…
42:30
Marisol: John
42:32
Marisol: Yep, and then here he gets beat to shit, and then kicked down to the side of a cliff, and… Brutalized.
42:38
Tad Eggleston: wise.
42:40
Tad Eggleston: I mean, I don't think we've seen…
42:42
Tad Eggleston: I don't… I don't know that we've seen Beto…
42:44
Tad Eggleston: Draw anything this brutal since the human diastrophism.
42:50
Marisol: Yeah.
42:51
Maria Pena: Mmm, that is pretty…
42:54
Tad Eggleston: Does this beef was intense. Yeah.
43:04
Marisol: Yep, and then down here on…
43:06
Marisol: Bottom of this page, we also have Kamo leaving the house.
43:10
Maria Pena: So everybody is leaving Lou.
43:14
Maria Pena: Luba has to take responsibility for her kids now. Nobody's gonna enable her anymore.
43:20
Marisol: Yep.
43:21
Maria Pena: And she didn't want Maricela's help, but she said, yeah. Right. She's…
43:25
Marisol: She's a very proud person.
43:31
Marisol: And I feel like a lot of times, to her own detriment.
43:35
Marisol: Her pride gets in the way.
43:37
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
43:39
Maria Pena: Yep.
43:45
Marisol: I just don't find it so funny how they bandaged people's face.
43:50
Marisol: Historical head.
43:53
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
43:55
Maria Pena: Like, not even a little hole for the notes.
43:58
Marisol: No, it's just, like, two little slits for the eyes and where the mouth should be, and that's it.
44:03
Tad Eggleston: Well, and clearly that slip for the mouth is big enough for Fortunato.
44:07
Maria Pena: Can you leave?
44:15
Maria Pena: And that's the end. The only thing with this ending is the… when the guy says there's a… an accident ahead, and you… it leaves you wonder what's gonna happen.
44:27
Maria Pena: What are they coming up to?
44:31
Tad Eggleston: I love this, this line.
44:33
Marisol: Like… True.
44:35
Tad Eggleston: Goodbye.
44:37
Tad Eggleston: I mean, because this is the last issue of the Luba…
44:40
Maria Pena: Oh, blue back.
44:42
Tad Eggleston: And the door lease.
44:44
Maria Pena: De La Santos, saying goodnight. Good night.
44:53
Tad Eggleston: Alright. Then all of Dora leases… is that Dora Elise, or is that Pepo?
44:58
Maria Pena: I'm…
44:59
Tad Eggleston: They're the young people.
45:00
Marisol: Depot.
45:01
Maria Pena: It is…
45:01
Marisol: You gotcha on the road.
45:03
Tad Eggleston: Yeah.
45:04
Marisol: You know, in front.
45:07
Maria Pena: And that… her first lover, you know, the one she had at 14, and… Right.
45:13
Maria Pena: who died, and coco.
45:17
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
45:17
Marisol: What's name?
45:19
Maria Pena: What's Toco got to do with.
45:20
Tad Eggleston: Okay.
45:20
Maria Pena: I can't remember.
45:21
Tad Eggleston: Well, because he had a thing for her back when…
45:24
Tad Eggleston: We saw her first lover, like, through the eyes of Toko, remember?
45:31
Maria Pena: Right, right.
45:32
Maria Pena: Well, listen, guys.
45:33
Tad Eggleston: So it's, it's the men who have loved Pipo.
45:37
Maria Pena: Yeah.
45:40
Maria Pena: Including her son, which is really weird. Okay.
45:43
Tad Eggleston: You know?
45:45
Tad Eggleston: Interesting relationship.
45:48
Maria Pena: Yes, it is flat. That's a word, yeah.
45:51
Maria Pena: edible… edible.
45:54
Marisol: Oh, man.
45:55
Maria Pena: To say the least, yeah. All right, well…
45:59
Tad Eggleston: So much great stuff in this…
46:03
Maria Pena: Yeah.
46:04
Maria Pena: The two regions were fantastic.
46:06
Tad Eggleston: Yeah…
46:09
Maria Pena: I love this, first flash.
46:12
Tad Eggleston: So you're back… is… that's gotta be Jaime on the back cover.
46:16
Maria Pena: Yes, so yeah, that's my favorite Jaime panel, please.
46:22
Maria Pena: Because I was gonna grab the normal, abnormal panel, and then I saw this at the end, and oh no, this is it.
46:28
Marisol: This is the one.
46:31
Maria Pena: This is the one.
46:33
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, I think my favorite Beto.
46:38
Tad Eggleston: Was the… the… that opening splash page.
46:42
Maria Pena: Yeah.
46:43
Tad Eggleston: the, the, the Luba.
46:45
Marisol: Yeah, that's good.
46:47
Marisol: Mine for this one had to be, the… I forget what page it was on, but the panel where you see Ophelia laying down on her back and Luba just sitting next to her.
47:02
Maria Pena: And the panel of photos that really grabbed me was that really big close-up of Luba's eyes, and she's saying to Ophelia, I love my children, Ophelia, and you see her big eyes, and, like, it's just like a…
47:17
Maria Pena: Extreme close-up.
47:19
Marisol: Just after this second.
47:22
Maria Pena: So it's page 18, bottom of the… Bottom right, yeah.
47:39
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
47:42
Maria Pena: Yeah, like, that's… that's a bit different from Beto, that it's… yeah, yeah, Luba really emoting, yeah.
47:49
Marisol: Oh, yeah.
47:51
Maria Pena: So, tears happening, everything in East.
47:57
Maria Pena: And interesting that he didn't black out her hair. I guess she's got gray hairs now.
48:03
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, she's been graying, and I think he's indicating that she's not coloring.
48:09
Tad Eggleston: Or at least not coloring during this period. She's showing her gray.
48:15
Maria Pena: Yeah.
48:19
Maria Pena: Yeah, so yeah, that's my favorite.
48:23
Maria Pena: It just struck me when I saw them.
48:34
Tad Eggleston: There were so many good Beto pages in Lovin' Rockets, too. The chair one.
48:39
Marisol: The chair one is fantastic.
48:40
Maria Pena: Oh, yeah.
48:42
Marisol: up.
48:44
Tad Eggleston: I think that's my tie, actually.
48:48
Maria Pena: Yeah.
48:52
Tad Eggleston: That Luba page, and then the chair. Yeah.
48:55
Maria Pena: Yeah.
49:03
Maria Pena: I mean… I mean, Julius, they had a lot of really good time.
49:07
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah. No, I mean, Beto is starting to show off a lot.
49:23
Tad Eggleston: So many good panels from… from… Jaime, too.
49:29
Maria Pena: Oh, God, oh gosh, yeah.
49:31
Tad Eggleston: I think I'll go with the one…
49:33
Marisol: With Maggie's exaggerated, horrified expression. That'll be my favorite.
49:39
Tad Eggleston: I'm gonna go a tie again, because it's gonna be between doing that vertical pair…
49:52
Marisol: Bless you.
49:52
Maria Pena: God bless you.
50:04
Tad Eggleston: Between, that vertical pair and…
50:19
Tad Eggleston: Not distracted typing.
50:21
Marisol: Oh, no!
50:25
Tad Eggleston: The vertical pair, and this is another one where I just love it because it's the type of thing you can do with comic… so well with comics. This panel here.
50:34
Tad Eggleston: Where… where Frogmouse is, that fucker. He doesn't know…
50:39
Tad Eggleston: who he's dealing with. He's gonna get this all right.
50:43
Tad Eggleston: We victims have rights. And you've got the thought balloon from Maggie that's just, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
50:52
Maria Pena: Yeah, it's just running her mouth, running her mouth.
50:54
Tad Eggleston: Right, right. It's… it's… well, we, we talked about Grolics. It's, it's…
51:02
Tad Eggleston: it… you know, and I think it's important, foreshadowing here, it's… it's… It's Vivian's… well-kept lips.
51:14
Tad Eggleston: With just Grolics coming out.
51:19
Maria Pena: Yeah.
51:23
Maria Pena: Yeah. Or is it… or is it Maggie thinking she… she… she would be telling her to fuck off? I don't know. I don't know, maybe not. I think it is… it is what you're saying. No, I… I mean…
51:36
Tad Eggleston: You know, blah blah blah blah. No, but, but I, I, I think,
51:42
Tad Eggleston: They very… he very deliberately got the color and the shape of…
51:47
Tad Eggleston: The lips and the thought balloon versus the… The lips on Vivian here.
51:53
Tad Eggleston: Those are definitely Vivian's lips.
51:56
Marisol: Yeah.
51:58
Marisol: Because even looking at the top right panel here, the similarities between those two, It's like a…
52:04
Marisol: the blur angle.
52:06
Tad Eggleston: Right.
52:07
Maria Pena: you.
52:08
Maria Pena: Yeah.
52:11
Maria Pena: Here it is.
52:15
Tad Eggleston: But again, like, like…
52:18
Tad Eggleston: it's another one of those just, like, perfect comic moments. I mean, you can… you can have…
52:25
Tad Eggleston: A little bit in… in a video…
52:29
Tad Eggleston: of, like, the eye roll or whatnot that can show that the person's not listening or not taking it seriously or whatnot. You can have…
52:38
Tad Eggleston: A line or two in a novel that's, like…
52:43
Tad Eggleston: this person's saying this, and Maggie…
52:46
Tad Eggleston: didn't really care, or wasn't listening, or all Maggie heard was…
52:51
Tad Eggleston: static, or a… you know what I mean?
52:54
Tad Eggleston: But… that word balloon… I can't imagine… or that thought balloon, I can't imagine being captured
53:05
Tad Eggleston: With that power in another medium.
53:07
Tad Eggleston: It's just so…
53:08
Maria Pena: No.
53:09
Tad Eggleston: accurately nails the…
53:12
Tad Eggleston: I'm listening because I'm not completely disinterested in the person, and maybe they'll say something that I care about, but I have nothing to add to this, and it's just complaining, and God, I wish you'd shut up, and…
53:26
Maria Pena: Absolutely.
53:27
Tad Eggleston: a little luscious.
53:39
Maria Pena: Yeah.
53:42
Maria Pena: My other… my other panel, it was the one I mentioned before with when Maggie's walking in…
53:49
Maria Pena: Into… towards the police station and… and the.
53:53
Tad Eggleston: Oh, yeah.
53:54
Marisol: I think that, that was great.
53:57
Tad Eggleston: Yeah, yeah.
53:58
Maria Pena: Hello.
54:00
Maria Pena: like, Maggie's just kind of calmly going behind, and then the scene inside the cop station is like, you know, Vivian's like, resisting, and…
54:09
Tad Eggleston: Right.
54:10
Maria Pena: cops, I love that, like, it's really great storytelling right there.
54:15
Maria Pena: This whole sequence is really good.
54:18
Tad Eggleston: It is.
54:20
Tad Eggleston: I, I like… I, I, I say this over and over again, like… one of…
54:32
Tad Eggleston: The beauties of loving rockets.
54:35
Tad Eggleston: Like, the beauties of… of…
54:41
Tad Eggleston: a number of things. Saga, Strangers in Paradise Universe, etc, is that, like… Somehow?
54:53
Tad Eggleston: It never gets old.
54:56
Maria Pena: Hmm.
54:57
Tad Eggleston: You know, everything continues to be brilliant and fresh and…
55:03
Tad Eggleston: you know, not necessarily the same, but that's okay. You know? Familiar, so that it's still comfortable.
55:14
Tad Eggleston: you know, I had this experience with, I don't know if either of you read Brian Michael Bendis and Michael Avon Oming's Powers?
55:23
Tad Eggleston: It was like a superhero detective comic.
55:26
Marisol: I don't think so.
55:28
Tad Eggleston: it centers around a couple of detectives that work the Powers Homicide Division. So, like, they only work cases that involve.
55:38
Marisol: Super-powered beings doing bad things.
55:41
Tad Eggleston: And it ran for, like, 10 years in the late 90s to early… teens, and… and…
55:50
Tad Eggleston: And it's been gone for, like, 10 years, but they just… they just came back with a couple issues now, and it's like… it's like bumping into your best friend that moved away, and you hadn't talked to them in 10 years, and, like, picking up…
56:06
Tad Eggleston: Right where you left off.
56:09
Maria Pena: No clue.
56:09
Tad Eggleston: You know what I mean?
56:11
Tad Eggleston: And it's so crazy that you can have that sort of relationship, and I kind of feel like that's…
56:17
Tad Eggleston: That's what every new volume of Love and Rockets is.
56:20
Tad Eggleston: So every new volume of Saga is…
56:23
Tad Eggleston: you know, it's not quite as surprising when they're coming out monthly. It's… though, it's… it is surprising that they can maintain that steam monthly, you know, because making comics on that…
56:39
Maria Pena: Oh.
56:40
Tad Eggleston: pace is true.
56:41
Maria Pena: Could never…
56:42
Tad Eggleston: Right.
56:42
Maria Pena: I could never do it.
56:44
Tad Eggleston: Right, but like…
56:48
Tad Eggleston: The fact that, like, you can go away and come back, and go away and come back, and it's always…
56:55
Tad Eggleston: Always wonderful, always brilliant, and always loving rockets, even though, like…
57:02
Tad Eggleston: It's another place where, where, like…
57:05
Tad Eggleston: Comics makes a difference, because you can kind of do this in a movie if, like, you… you…
57:11
Tad Eggleston: Record the sequels years separately with the same cast?
57:17
Tad Eggleston: But, like…
57:17
Maria Pena: Mmm.
57:19
Tad Eggleston: If you read a Maggie and Hopi story… if, like, you replaced the names, and took a Maggie and Hopi teenage story, and turned it into a prose book.
57:28
Tad Eggleston: And then took this Maggie and Hopi story, and turned it into a prose book, and gave it to two people.
57:35
Tad Eggleston: I don't think many of them would immediately go, I think these are the same characters.
57:43
Tad Eggleston: Whereas you can take,
57:47
Tad Eggleston: late… I actually think of Maggie… I think they're in their early 30s here. They feel early 30s. You can take this early 30s Maggie and Hopi story, and just read this issue, and then go back and read a teenage Maggie and Hopi story. And they're completely different books, but you also know that they're not.
58:05
Tad Eggleston: Even if they're not labeled.
58:07
Tad Eggleston: You know, people are gonna look at it and go, oh, wait…
58:12
Tad Eggleston: And the characters managed to, you know, even when you don't have the stuff in between, they somehow… you can absolutely feel, oh yes, that Hopi would grow into this Hopi. That Maggie would grow into this Maggie, whether you've seen the in-between or not. It's just… yeah.
58:32
Maria Pena: Yep.
58:33
Tad Eggleston: Oh, I expect…
58:36
Tad Eggleston: Really special work. So, Love and Rockets, Volume 2, number 3.
58:42
Tad Eggleston: And Luba and her family number one.
58:45
Tad Eggleston: is our, is our next round, hopefully next week. I know I'm good next week. Maria, when are you headed home?
58:53
Maria Pena: I think I'm good, yeah.
58:54
Tad Eggleston: soon.
58:55
Maria Pena: Back to Malta, but that's in January, so I will be in… I'm here, then I'm in El Salvador for a while.
59:04
Tad Eggleston: Oh, wow, so, so you… this is an extended, extended tour of… of…
59:10
Maria Pena: Travel America.
59:11
Tad Eggleston: Okay.
59:12
Maria Pena: Yeah, yeah.
59:13
Marisol: Nice.
59:13
Tad Eggleston: Well, then we'll have a.
59:15
Maria Pena: Well, you know, it's a lot of fun trips.
59:17
Tad Eggleston: Oh, absolutely. It just… it does give us more options in terms of scheduling. If we need to reschedule anything coming forward, we can know that we're all in the same time zone for a while.
59:32
Maria Pena: Yeah. Okay? Should be…
59:36
Tad Eggleston: Well…
59:36
Marisol: Okay.
59:37
Tad Eggleston: You guys all have a great week, for the Love & Rockets Book Club on 22 panels. We will see you after the next page.