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The Fate of the Faithful | The Martyrs of Compiègne · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_01: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to season seven, episode eight.
• 0:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_01: We're only on episode eight.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, your tumor kind of took up some time in there.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_00: Are you surprised?
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a long season.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, your tumor took up some time in there.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: Are you surprised?
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: We're normally like, what what we're April.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so our normal schedule, this is good for newbies to our show.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: We always start in October.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like Halloween.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, every season starts around Halloween, intentionally.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_00: We have 13 episodes and we usually release them every two weeks.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: Normally.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: When we're able bodies.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: When we're disciplined and well-behaved criminal.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_01: When we're good at life, we really release every two weeks.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not good at life right now.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: We're late again on our by the time Well, it's been busy.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: We've been doing things like we're busy people.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: Like seeing movies and you know, we reading.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_00: We work.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: And um we you exercise.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: Patrick's day.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_00: I you know what do I do?
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: Life's hard.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um Yeah.
• 1:13
  SPEAKER_01: Literally, what have I what have I done?
• 1:15
  unknown: Yeah.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_00: So we haven't done we haven't seen each other in three weeks.
• 1:19
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me about your life.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I bought um like a pour over coffee thing.
• 1:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like where you do coffee pour overs with a hot water instead of a curic because it's more of a like a process to make your coffee.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_00: Is it like that um decanter-looking?
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: We have one of those.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_00: I've never used it.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_01: I can show you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of fun.
• 1:49
  SPEAKER_01: It smells really good.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_01: You do it, and then you kind of feel like a chemist a little bit and you like swirl it.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_01: And is that dirty cleanup?
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: No, it's no dirtier than if you're if you have like a regular coffee maker with a filter.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: Not a Keurig.
• 2:05
  SPEAKER_01: Not a Keurig.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's too damn easy.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_01: Because my husband said there's too much plastic.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: That's really nice of him.
• 2:11
  SPEAKER_00: He's one of those.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_00: I do, so I have a Keurig.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sad, sorry.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't have a fancy coffee machine.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_00: I we do the easy thing, but I do open up my cake cups and I sc scrape out the coffee grounds.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I put that in compost.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I will say that's not bad.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_01: I should clarify when I say my husband is one of those, he's not environmentally friendly.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, what is he?
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_01: He's hypochondriac about his own body and is afraid of the microplastics he's consuming.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so this is not about the planet.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, he doesn't give a shit about the planet.
• 2:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's about his insides.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like opposite where I care more about the planet, and I don't really like something's gonna be something's gonna kill my body.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: I am somewhere in the middle where I don't care about anything, evidently.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, sure, whatever, whatever the new thing is, I'll do it.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't, I'm cool.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a healthy way to approach life.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think in this day and age everyone is so obsessed with like the next thing and then junk science and whatever that like people forget that like moderation is probably key to most things.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I I applaud you.
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  SPEAKER_01: You you also need to care though, and you need it, you need to have passions, but sometimes I just I need to care more.
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  SPEAKER_01: I know I do.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's a defect of mine, I'll own it.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, no, Jake, uh Jake gets on like the YouTube, the YouTube, yeah.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like spirals, and I always know a change is coming in the household.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_00: Based on his YouTube history.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good heads up.
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  SPEAKER_00: You're like, what does he search lately?
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: And then you anticipate the next conversation.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then the next morning he's like, we're throwing out anything that has sugar in it, or like anything that has like this red dye is gone.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: And so I just kind of go with it.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: But I do have a secret cupboard for your snacks.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_01: For your microplastics, for my microplastics and my like bad food.
• 4:01
  SPEAKER_01: I have a I call it my Sinners Cabinet because it's like all my like chocolate cover things are in there.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: You should put a little decal with like old English font that's just like Megan Sinners Cabinet.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_01: He knows about it at this point, but I still hide it.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: The hiding is key, like makes you feel good.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: You have to like because otherwise he eats.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: You see, this is gonna you know.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: I've been on one with Jake all day, and this is probably not healthy enough to do the podcast.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: Let it out, let it out.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're also part-time therapists.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: To be clear, we will have a show after this about the actual people we're talking about.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_00: We do talk about execution.
• 4:35
  SPEAKER_01: We talk about execution, not my husband, but we're kicking it off with some therapy for Megan.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_00: Go.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: I have just been on one with him over every little thing.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I got so upset with him today because we're going on a little weekend trip.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: We're going back home to California for four days for Easter.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 4:51
  SPEAKER_01: And his luggage is so big.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's just his actual carrying suitcase, shall I say?
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: So to be clear, because I I've talked to you about this trip a bit, you were driving.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: We're driving.
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  SPEAKER_00: And you're mad that his luggage is large.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds dirtier than I mean for it to be, but he just has this like massive piece of luggage for four days.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: Are you taking your tiny car or his car?
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: We're taking the SUV.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_00: So you have room.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: We have the room, but it's about the aesthetic of this like giant piece of luggage.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: It bugs me.
• 5:27
  SPEAKER_01: I see.
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  SPEAKER_01: It it's not efficient.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: What does he put in there?
• 5:30
  SPEAKER_00: What does he need for four days?
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: God if I know.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: Probably the stupid pour over coffee thing, if if I know him.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: So that was the first thing that annoys me.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_00: There's gotta be something microplastic you can argue about his luggage.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: Like, hey, this is actually bad for you because of all the microplastics in your giant piece of suitcase.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_01: I am not making this up.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: When he was starting to fail in his argument for why he needed it, other than it just makes him happy.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_01: He actually said to me at one point, uh, men's clothing is bigger.
• 6:04
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, no, no, no.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_00: Anyways, only make that argument.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, if guys are listening to this, you could only make that argument if you are packing winter clothing.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you need boots and sweaters and more coats, I don't know why you would have more than one coat on a trip.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: But if you're that person, then you have the argument of my things are larger than yours.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to the beach.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: To be fair, like you know, as a girl, you do have like shirts and blouses.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: Like you and I could pack both the shirts we're wearing into tiny little squares.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: I get that.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: We have smaller shoes.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe not you.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_01: He does have oh my god.
• 6:37
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone is on.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm kidding.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, this is not this is not shots fired.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_00: That was a cute little.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: I am here with I am the one venting.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I'm just saying that argument only plays when you're going to a cold weather place.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: If you're going to California, if you're going to a beach, flip-flops, t-shirts, shorts, you have no excuse.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: Period.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_01: That was how the day started.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_01: And then it just kind of went from there.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, we all have those days where just every little thing I get that rubs you the wrong way.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And anyways, where was I going with this?
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the cabinet.
• 7:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I have to have my secret cabinet of chocolate covered.
• 7:10
  SPEAKER_01: I've got like chocolate-covered pretzels in there.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_01: I've got chocolate-drizzled popcorn.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: I've got the hot honey popcorn.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_01: I have like four different kinds of popcorn in my cabinet.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: And these are just your specific snacks.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_00: So if he takes a snack, are you mad?
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm not mad, but he is an all or nothing type of guy.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so if he starts on my hot honey popcorn, it will be gone.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: And I just nibble.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: I can make that last like for a month.
• 7:33
  SPEAKER_00: I think I don't know if this is a girl thing, but I feel like you and I are better at doing that, where we can have one or two bites and be so satisfied.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_00: And like at least guys I know are not okay with that.
• 7:43
  SPEAKER_00: You like you said, all or nothing, like entire bag, go to the store, get more, eat all of that.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, yo, you can just have like two pieces.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_00: Two pieces of it.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: Just you they sit on the couch and just like, you know, they keep going.
• 7:59
  SPEAKER_01: But anyhow, I'm sorry, I don't mean to be so negative.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: No, you're not negative.
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: This is a quick, quick, funny story I have all the way back from Halloween, but similar to your thing of like all or nothing with boys.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we were in, me and Robbie were in the grocery store, and I love, love, love to get the Halloween Oreos, like the orange ones.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: They're literally no different.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: They don't taste different.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_00: They're not different.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: They just look ugly to make your mouth ugly.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_00: So they're beautiful.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: They're beautiful Halloween colors, and they have little like bats on them or like pumpkins on them.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: They're my favorite thing to get during October.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_00: They're so funny.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: And we were there, it's probably like the last week of September, but they already had them.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh, like we have to get these.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_00: And he was like, it's way too early to get but like Halloween Oreos.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's like, and you know, if we have these in the house, they're gonna be gone at the end of the day.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_00: Wait, end of November.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: End of September.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, is that what I said?
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_00: What did I say?
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: I I I meant the week before October.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: So like the last week of September.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: And um, so I was like, All right, you're right, you're right, we'll wait.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: And we waited, and like I went back like a week later, you know, and like literally just went to get those.
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, it's time for the Halloween Oreos gone, all sold out.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_00: They already had like Christmas Oreos or something, and I was like, not the same.
• 9:10
  SPEAKER_00: And I went back and I was like, this is why I make the decision.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost like the smallest thing.
• 9:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I you know what?
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: We should be grateful.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_01: If we are really irked over things that small, yeah, means we don't have bigger things to be mad at.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: We're just mad that we don't have the bigger things to be mad at.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not mad at that.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're not?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: I love that.
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm mad for you.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm super happy I don't have bigger things to be mad at.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_00: What do women in their 30s with no children talk about?
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_01: The damn Oreos.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_01: And we just lost half the listeners at this point.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, wanna talk about um some beheadings?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: Are we just gonna go straight into it?
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have more stories to tell me?
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_01: Do you is there anything easy to vent about besides the Oreos?
• 9:51
  SPEAKER_00: I guess tonight we have one focus in mind.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: And today, actually, as we're recording, is Good Friday.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: So it is the Friday before Easter, and I think we have a very relevant Easter topic because tonight we're talking about the Carmelite Martyrs of Compien.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: No, we were not going to talk about Jesus, and I know people still want that.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: People still want a Jesus execution, and I have made it pretty clear we are going to stay away from that.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: I know seven years later we're just not ready for it.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: We did do John the Baptist around Christmas time.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_01: We're okay doing saints.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, saints are great with saints.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_00: I promise you, if we do a Jesus episode, we are going to do it wrong and get so canceled, no matter how we approach it.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna keep our little paws off of him.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: We love him.
• 10:38
  SPEAKER_00: Can't do it.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry, everybody.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but we do like saints.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: And we do have a really good nun episode tonight.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_00: Nuns.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_01: What's the plural of nuns?
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, nuns.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Nuns.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: Nuns.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: Would you think it's gonna be nun guy?
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like a like a gaggle of nuns.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: Nunya.
• 10:55
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I see.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like uh, yeah, what is it called with the ravens?
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Murder.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Murder.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: This is a murder of nuns.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: We did not plan that.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_00: That was really good.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Write that down.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: Murder.
• 11:12
  SPEAKER_00: Murder.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: You have a cute little uh what is that called?
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Bookmark?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_00: Bookmark with an M on it.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: For murder.
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: For Megan Moore.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: Murderous Megan Moore.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_00: I love it.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: There are.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: I can't escape.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_01: You can't get my page open while holding my microphone.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you do that.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: So to get started in our story, I think it's really important we talk about the setting of the time.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Because a lot of times with our stories, we kind of just jump into who the character is, their early life, you know, what they're about.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: This, I think it's more important to describe the context of where we're at in history before we get into anything.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: Plus, as Megan said, we're talking about like a um a group of nuns.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: So we can't just really focus on any one particular nun's upbringing.
• 11:59
  SPEAKER_00: But this period of time is during the French Revolution.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: If you're new to the pod, new to the French Revolution, and you don't know the dates, um, we're talking about France between 1789 and 1799.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: So we're talking about a good decade there where we're overthrowing the French monarchy and the new French Republic is taking power.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: To the Revolution.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Viva la Revolution, which I think is Spanish, but I'm gonna say it anyway.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: Um so this specific point in history, we have 1790, and this is July of 1790, the new French Republic.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, they are the new revolutionary government who is overthrowing the monarchy.
• 12:39
  SPEAKER_00: They just passed something called the civil constitution of the clergy, which essentially outlaws a lot of religious life from happening.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_00: They're not saying you can't be religious, but what they're banning are taking monastic vows, like you can't become a nun or I believe a priest, um, and the Catholic Church's lands are being confiscated.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: So if you've tuned into our show before or you know this uh just from your personal background, um, this happened a lot in England with like the desecration of the monasteries, right?
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Where like the Protestants are taking over and they're kind of destroying all of the Catholic churches, similar to what's going on here in France at the time.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: Don't you think they would have learned their lesson?
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: Or they never didn't learn their lesson, but to see history repeat itself, right?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: They never do.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_01: No one ever does.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: No one ever learns from history.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: Why would you learn from history?
• 13:29
  SPEAKER_01: It just shows you what King Henry VIII did and how unhappy people were and the uprisings and the Exactly whatever.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_01: And King Louis, like, was he for this or against this?
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_00: So King Louis is re referring to Louis XVI.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Louis XVI and his predecessor Louis XV, who was his grandfather, they were very close to uh the Catholic Church.
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, back in this time, at least to the revolutionaries, the church and the monarchy were kind of seen as one, like wrapped together.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: And if we look back at Louis XV, again, uh Louis XVI's godfather, thank you.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_00: His wife, she was really spending a lot of time with the Carmelite nuns.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: So the order, I believe, I don't know if their specific order was called the Carmelites, but she was taking a lot of her time to be with these nuns that were living close to where the palace was at the time.
• 14:21
  SPEAKER_00: And she spent so much time with them, they even had a room for her when she visited.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: So the monarchy and this specific order of nuns were very close.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: And they they helped each other out with like the uh the nuns and the Catholic order really saw the king and the monarchs as having a divine right to rule.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like they are going to lead our country and they are chosen by God to lead our country.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: And in turn, the monarchies looked well on the faith.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like the faith keeps the country together, they keep people in line.
• 14:53
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, you know, they themselves are religious, so they want to continue this tradition tradition of Catholicism.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: So the two really worked hand in hand.
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure there was a lot more nuances between them if you lived in the time, but to the revolutionaries, they were seen as kind of one-in-one, like hand in hand, all their decisions together were bad.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_00: So, um, so as I said, when the French Republic came to power, that's one of the first things that they did was they said, hey, let's end all of this religious fanaticism, as it were.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want anyone to uh, they don't want the Catholic Church to own all this land.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want people to have these monastic vows.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_00: So what they do is they say to everyone who's a nun or a priest or involved in the Catholic Church, they say to them, you must be loyal first to the French Republic, not to the papacy.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: So you're not to show real uh your your loyalty and support to Rome and the and the Pope.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: You support us.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds very Kingherate.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Right again, learn from history, everybody.
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: I think I've seen this film before.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't like the ending.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, you did it, not me.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_01: I've been around you a long time.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_01: My Swiftyisms rub off.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so so honing in on our group of the evening, we have this community of Carmelite sisters, Carmelite nuns.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um they are in this commune that's just north of Paris.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: They date back all the way to 1641.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: So their commune's been around for a while, uh, you know, about 150 years at this point.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_00: And again, very much had the support of the old French government, the old French monarchy.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: But now uh it is 1790, and the the focus of the French Republic is is shifting to look specifically at this order.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_00: And what's the one of the things that they do when they hone in on them?
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, well, I this is such a cool story to me because I didn't even realize during the French Revolution.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me if I'm alone in this, I didn't realize that Catholics were so targeted through it.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't either.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_01: I for some reason always thought French Revolution and the reign of terror was primarily victimizing and executing politicians and the aristocrats, not aristocrats, because I want to say that every time.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: But the yeah, the nuns, the priests, there was really this whole underground running of Catholicism happening because people were so afraid of what was happening in the arrests and the executions.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_01: So the Steel Day happens, we're now in 1790, and yeah, like Elizabeth said, something big happens where the government and the guards come and they they go specifically to this convent of the Carmelite Sisters and they start interviewing all of them individually.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: And pretty frightening.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: These are women across a variety of ages.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, some of their youngest ones are still not haven't even taken their vows fully.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like they're not even full nuns yet.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: They're not even a real nun yet.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all the way up to 78 years old.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: And that's gotta be really daunting, right?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_01: To have these big government official type men coming in.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_01: They said that there was guards standing at the doors and then taking them individually in a room one by one to interview them and understand what's been happening.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: They have this whole impression that the girls were being forced into these convents.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: And like it, like they were gonna come in and save them and help little, you know, libertize, help liberate.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, help liberate all of these poor, innocent girls who've been there since they were young and they just want to be out and they don't know the real world and they never wanted to be there in the first place.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they thought that they were gonna come in and have like a completely different, like something to be mad about when they walked in.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_01: And that was very opposite from the actual case.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_01: Every single one of the women, there was 20 in total.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, every single one of them said, I'm married to the Lord, I love this lifestyle, I've my I bow my life completely to this lifestyle, I don't want anything else.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: And they just reiterate their vows of of what they live for.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_01: They were really forced with either denying their faith or pursuing further punishment.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Which is really scary.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: But every single one of them refused to say anything negative about their faith and what they stood for.
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: They were all prepared to take further punishment if need be.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I I'm sure there was like a little hesitation, but also like uh they had to have all gotten on the same page in some level to kind of encourage each other.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like, don't let them scare you.
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_01: You know, our faith is stronger than anything.
• 19:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I did see on a documentary, and I'm not sure if it was during these interviews or some point right after, but there was a nun or two that came towards the uh prioress, which was kind of like the mother superior of the order.
• 20:02
  SPEAKER_00: She was the head of the order, and essentially said, Oh, you know, this feels very drastic, like for us to be denying um the republic, and what if they kill us?
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what if this ends at the at the guillotine?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_00: And she was kind of like, Yeah, what if it does?
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what if we do die?
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_00: Is that okay with you?
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: And at first they were scared, like the girls that were talking to her, and then they came back to apologize, like, no, no, no, we're sorry.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're in the wrong.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: We're ready for this.
• 20:30
  SPEAKER_00: We will die for this religion.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Mother Teresa was the prioress at the time of the convent.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: I did look it up to see if the more modern-day Mother Teresa, if she chose her name, like nun after this Mother Teresa, but she didn't.
• 20:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's another, I know there was another um nun in the 1800s, later 1800s that she chose the name after.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: But regardless, um, they start going through these raids, right?
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_01: And actually the raids are happening on Easter, which is why this feels like such relevant timing to be sharing this story.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: And the yeah, Mother Teresa, just we're gonna say Mother Teresa.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: I know, yeah.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's not that Mother Teresa.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_01: She basically encouraged and suggested all of them to accept the sacrifice and allowed them to see the bigger picture of what they would be martyrized for and uh how important it was not to be afraid of death because there was, you know, more life beyond.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then there was more reasons though.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like they had some prophetic reasons as well as to why she so strongly believed they did we should probably just sacrifice ourselves.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this was I didn't again, all of this is kind of uh new to me in terms of how harshly the Catholics were treated during the reign of terror.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: But this was fascinating.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: So um Mother Teresa had told all of the nuns in her order, oh my gosh, there was a prophecy about all of this about a hundred years ago.
• 21:57
  SPEAKER_00: So a hundred years ago, and I didn't write her.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Name down.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I wish I did.
• 22:01
  SPEAKER_00: But there was another nun.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I don't know if you I don't think I wrote her.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: Name down.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but she came probably Mary or No, it was a very specific name.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: It was like Lucia or something, um, or Luis.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: No, but uh she she came forward about a hundred years ago and she told all of her her sisters, she said, I had this vision, this dream, where there was not quite 20 of us.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: She was like, it was a little like a few, there was all of our community there, but a few less.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, and we were standing around like the blessed mother, and we were all holding palms in our hand our hands, and we had just sacrificed something so large to be with her.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Basically saying, like, something's gonna happen, all of us are gonna be involved, we all have to sacrifice something, and we're all gonna end up in heaven together.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: So it was this like this very scary, but also, I guess, calming image where they do something that might cost their lives, but they're all doing it together and they're all gonna be in heaven together.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: So this was a hundred years before.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, this is not even they didn't even think about revolution.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: They were so uh tight with the crown, right?
• 23:07
  SPEAKER_00: They were so like in lockstep with the monarchy.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:09
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't need to worry about anything like this a hundred years prior.
• 23:12
  SPEAKER_00: But Mother Teresa remembered that recollection and remembered that dream and said, Whoa, like this might be it.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: We have us, we have that number of women here that might do something worthy of that sacrifice and worthy of a place next to the blessed virgin, you know, and to Jesus Christ.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot of artwork depicting that dream too.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll try to get some some pictures and whatnot up on the Instagram on the Instagram.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: I don't say that like such an old person.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: I like that you do say the YouTube, the YouTube.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sorry for who I am.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, it it was kind of this.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: You're right.
• 23:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think calming's the best word, but it's like this soothing image that she gave all of them to kind of put their minds at peace of yeah, no, don't don't give in to these scary guards and men.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so much was happening in France outside of their outside of their walls of their convent.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we already again talked about how um uh Catholics in general were were doing like everything underground.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: They had to do underground masses and things.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't I didn't again realize this, but even things like Notre Dame w were were converted into something called like the Temple of Reason.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: Like it wasn't called Notre Dame because that translates to Our Lady, which obviously is about the Virgin Mary.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: They they changed the name of Notre Dame to the Temple of Reason.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: I never knew that.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_01: I know I'm sure a lot of people did listening to this, but I didn't realize.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, again, we always just assumed, oh, French Revolution.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: They don't like the monarchy, they don't like the rich people running around in Versailles.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: But this specifically was intellectuals and revolutionaries standing up to the faith and the crown, saying, You guys are all fanatics and you're crazy and you've taken religion way too far, and now you're justifying the king being a divine being.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, This is insane.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we're gonna bring it back to an age of reason.
• 25:05
  SPEAKER_00: Everything should be centered around like logic and science.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I think there was a big push for like atheism, like you shouldn't believe in any God.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I I we should look a little bit more into Robespierre, who is one of the main revolutionaries.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like he was kind of pulling all the strings when it came to the executions and things.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: But I'm not sure if he was an atheist or if he just was trying to course correct to be like, oh, let's just believe in something called the one divine being.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: But they threw that out there where, like, oh, instead of God, we're gonna have this thing called the one divine being, and it's not God, but it's something different, and we have more science to back it up.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't, I don't know.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: But there was this whole push by the intellectual community of like, we've taken religion too far, and we have to strip it down and think about being again uh more logical.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: And everything was changed from from Catholic, full of like uh I guess like imagery and symbolism to now this like pared-down approach to maybe religion, maybe just like science and reason.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_00: But it was really I again I didn't know this about the French Revolution.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that they they hated the crown so much that faith was associated with it.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's a pretty big leap.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I never pictured a country going through a phase of promoting atheism over anything else.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: We always hear about Catholicism versus Protestantism, you know, across the UK and Europe.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, that's interesting.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, this huge drive for atheism, right?
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: So in uh August 1972 was when they ordered all women monasteries to be closed.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_01: And this is when things really start heating up.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Shortly after September 12th, that's when they start raiding specifically the um the Carmelite convent.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_01: I'm saying that right.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um September 12th, they get all their furniture taken out.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: They basically get raided, they get everything removed.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_01: Two days later, on September 14th, because in the middle on September 13th, they celebrated my birthday.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: They took time to recognize Megan's birthday.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_00: They said in a couple hundred years, this very special lady is gonna be born with a nice haircut.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I'm such a self-centered person that I like you know do you do that too when you see famous things.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_01: Of course I do.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: You see dates pop up, and I'm like, that's my birthday.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, King Henry the Eighth is the day before my birthday, his birthday.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_00: Oh and every time I'm like, oh, it's his birthday, which is my birthday eve, it it's about me.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this was also about me.
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: Um, on September 14th, 20 nuns were all kicked out.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: So they have no home.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_01: They have to leave the convent.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_01: I should mention too, prior, I I I just skip over one detail.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: Prior to them actually being kicked out of the convent, in between that time of the interviews to this point when they got kicked out, yeah, they were considered wards of the state.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: Oh right.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: They weren't technically they they weren't prisoners, right?
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not really arrested formally, but they were considered wards of the state.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: And they were actually receiving pensions from the government.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's what they were getting funded still.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Because the church turned into a State Department.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: So they tried like again, they weren't where they weren't really saying, like, oh, we're getting rid of religion entirely.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_00: They turned it into like a branch of government or like a yeah.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's odd.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's very, it's very cold feeling.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, however, they said the the year prior, they said, if you refuse to sign this oath, basically giving up your faith, right?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Uh this oath over to the civil constitution that they were going to pull all the funding and not give them their money and they wouldn't have a pension anymore.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, I mean, that didn't scare these ladies.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: They're like, fine, then we'll leave.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_01: So they all got kicked out.
• 28:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's not like nuns lead super luxurious lives.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: They have any food and living and they do housing and but I think they were very reliant on their community.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: They were.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_00: Even if it was a secret community.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and Mother Teresa was really great about arranging where these women would go.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: So she divided everyone kind of evenly in between four different households.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think she put the most vulnerable in one household with her.
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: So it was like the youngest, which was I think Constance was her name, and the oldest, like she put everyone who was in sh in her mind who she deemed the most like at risk to be with her.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: And then she divided the rest into other houses.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_00: So they had to get civilian clothes, they weren't allowed to wear their habits, like their nun outfits.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but they did continue to practice community prayer together.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: And they did even have a a man who was performing as a priest and you know, being very clandestine and secretive, and he was doing these secret masses for them.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: I think daily.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: They referred to him as a non-juring priest, so he wasn't even married.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_01: So he wasn't your standard priest, but it was better than nothing to have someone to turn to.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: June 1794, uh, so it's about two years later that they'd been, I guess, in these secret house houses.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but these apartments were then searched, of course.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: Apparently, the republic was on to them.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so the nuns uh they get arrested uh because they are found to possess all these certain things.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: And the things that they had were so silly.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like, of course, ex-nuns would have these things, but what they found was they found symbols of the sacred heart, which is like this special religious Catholic symbol.
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_00: It was like a little heart with like a cross over it.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: They found that imagery, they found hymns about the sacred heart, they found letters that might have had unfavorable criticism of the revolution.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: Oh which again, I mean, they're not plotting, they're not creating these big scenes.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Very innocent.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: And they, oh my gosh, found a portrait of the king.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_00: Nothing like that.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_00: We don't like him anymore.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 30:54
  SPEAKER_00: King King Louis XVI, they found his portrait, and this was enough damning evidence to be like, I knew it, you guys still like the monarchy.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_01: But they they kind of did one other thing too that gave them away that they were still practicing their religious life.
• 31:08
  SPEAKER_01: You love this, yeah.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: The day of the of the raid, they are it's laundry day.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's a Thursday.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: The nuns are doing their laundry, and evidently they only had two sets of clothing.
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_01: One was their civilian clothes that they were supposed to be wearing to show that they weren't practicing nunnery life anymore.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then the other set of clothes were their nun nun habits.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so they wear their nun uniforms, their nun outfits while doing their laundry outside.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: And so, and they don't even have the like that's like a bad movie.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like at least rotate.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: We're all in our nun habits.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_01: At least, like, maybe one person go out and do it, or they can like change clothes around.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: They can borrow someone's little outfit, not wear an because that kind of stands out like a sort of th sore thumb.
• 31:59
  SPEAKER_01: But in this one documentary we were watching on this, yeah, they were the way they made it described, they described it as that they were all kind of gathered around singing and doing laundry and washing and wearing their habits, um, which is a a giveaway.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: Who knows to the extent of how true that is?
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: I just find it really far-fetched that they were so careful for two years and they're all just wearing their nun outfits.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: It reminds me together, you know me and my Disney references, but it reminds me of Sleeping Beauty, where they're like, make sure she's kept away for 16 years, and then on her 16th birthday, she's allowed to come back.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like on her 16th birthday, they're like, You're princess, here's your gown, we're taking you back.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like she's the most obvious target.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: Wearing a crown through the forest.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: And it's like, um, yo, didn't you say the sunset of her 16th birthday?
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: Like, why couldn't you have taken her the day after she turned 16?
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: They're like, the whole kingdom had a party on the the day of her 16th birthday.
• 32:59
  SPEAKER_01: Or they they decided to use all their magic the day before to get caught.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very similar.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's what this felt like to me as well.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's like you couldn't have waited one day.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just one.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_01: Just don't wear them all together at once.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: They're all arrested.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_00: They're locked up in uh the con the convent of the visitation, which was kind of like an improvised jail, I think, uh in Copin, if I'm saying that right.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and it was a place for political prisoners.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously it wasn't just people that were religious still practicing, it was anyone who was opposed to the French Republic.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: So they were thrown in there, and then uh about a month later they were transferred to the Conciergerie prison in Paris, and that's where they awaited trial.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I believe their entire uh time between arrest and trial was about like three weeks, I want to say.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: It's very short.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_01: I I read 26 days.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's really a pretty quick turnaround.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: I also want to mention, so there was 20 nuns originally.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: Three of them were away visiting family.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_01: As one does with large suitcases, with very large luggage uh to carry their habits.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_01: One, I mean, I would just assume all four, like four of them were off.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so in total, they arrested 16 nuns.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: They also arrested their their will-be priest at the time.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: His name was Malow, M-U-L-O-T.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm saying that correctly.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds right.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so they were all arrested together.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: And they were kind of a happy bunch in prison, though.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: They were.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think they had come to terms with the fact that they might all go to the scaffold at some point years ago.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like when the reign of terror first was starting, I think they realized, oh, it's most likely gonna be us, and we know this divine vision, we know this dream.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_00: We might all die together.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: So weirdly, they were all strangely at peace with this so early.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: Like they were all in prison together and they were singing hymns.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think one woman even like wrote a new song.
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_00: They were getting creative.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_00: They were, you know, and and I think it really helped them because they were all together, all with the same faith and the same path that they were like, there's no room for doubt.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, there's no room for for being scared.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we're all here together enduring this, and we're gonna make the best of it because we're gonna meet our Lord soon.
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we're doing this for God, we're doing this for a purpose.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_01: Talk about some optimism for real, though.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: But that also rubbed off on the other prisoners that they were with.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, because they kind of got everyone like, guys, we're at the end of the end of the show here.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's been a miserable, hard, like terrible time.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: Literally, we're in the reign of terror right now.
• 35:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: This show is almost ending for us, and there's something better waiting on the other side.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and uh the trial officially began July 17th, and of course the nuns were given no legal counsel.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, the main charge was the, as I said before, the fanaticism, which is such a silly thing to say to somebody.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, and one one nun, uh Sister Mary Henrietta, even forced the prosecutor to define what a fanatic was.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's a pretty good legal move.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: Do I know?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: Right?
• 36:12
  SPEAKER_00: Kind of catch them in their own words.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: But having no legal counsel, she's like, okay, what is fanaticism?
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_01: She she acted kind of dumb about it.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, surely I don't know what it means.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_01: I want to understand what I'm being accused of.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I I don't have the exact words of how he defined it in front of me, but he essentially said, Well, you know, you're still practicing your religion, your faith.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: And she was almost happy to hear that response because she was like, Great, that means I'm dying for God, and I'm happy to do so.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you basically define me as a martyr because you're saying I am a fanatic for my for my Lord and you want to kill me over that.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: They were also accused of maintaining their community life.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: So I mean that goes hand in hand with it, right?
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: But they were very strictly instructed: don't do your nunnery business anymore.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_01: Don't none of that, none of that nun nonsense.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_01: None of that nun nonsense.
• 37:06
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't want them praying at their altar and they had an altar.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: I imagine.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_01: I imagine, sorry.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm part of this.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm envisioning in my mind what it would have looked like in their apartments while they were still going about their day-to-day duties as a nun, just not dressed as one, unless they were doing laundry.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_01: You hate that.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: You really want to empathize with them.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like, ladies, ladies, on the same day.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_01: On the same day you're doing this.
• 37:31
  SPEAKER_01: You're all singing together.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_01: Why am I picturing like sound of music?
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: A turtle that they're like cleaning against the turtle like in Snow White.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Snow White when they're doing the laundry.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, the animals are doing the laundry.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what I'm picturing for some reason.
• 37:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know that it wasn't the case, but um here we are.
• 37:49
  SPEAKER_00: Mother Teresa was also trying to claim full responsibility because she wanted to do everything she could to spare her sisters.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: So she kept saying, you know, if anyone is responsible for fanaticism, it's me.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you want to point to anyone who's led these girls astray and is, you know, encouraging the daily community and the daily mass, it's me.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: So if you want to make an example of me, that's fine.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: Like let everyone go.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: They're all following me.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but I mean, back in this day, these these trials were not real trials.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: They weren't for sure.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: They weren't trying to assess who was really guilty, who was maybe guilty of some things and not others, and who was not guilty.
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was like as soon as you went to trial during the reign of terror, they had enough on you to just be like, yep, execution.
• 38:35
  SPEAKER_01: As soon as you're arrested, you pretty much know where this is gonna end.
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_00: And they had, I mean, at this point, they had the the guillotine invented, right?
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: So this is a quick, easy way to kill so many people in quick succession.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like you don't you don't need much.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: You're like, yep, you're done, you're dead, you're dead, you're dead.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: Go line up, go to the guillotine, done.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_00: Thousands of people died in this way.
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: There was one nun who also was fainting at the trial.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_00: And uh there was uh oh, this may be where I got the name before, but Sister St.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Lewis, she bartered her fur coat, she's wearing this fur coat for some cups of hot chocolate.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_00: So she said, We can't be fainting.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna, you she's like, We haven't eaten, we've been in prison, but we're not gonna faint and people accuse us of being cowards, we're not gonna look like we're scared.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: So she bartered her coat for some hot chocolate to give everyone some strength and get their that's kind of nice.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, get their f uh physical form up, I guess.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: Well well, to Elizabeth's point, because this was such a quick process.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_01: As soon as they were verdict was guilty, sentence was death.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_01: That was pretty immediate.
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: They knew that they were getting ready to get picked up and go over to the guillotine.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_01: So it's it not only was it, of course, giving them their physical strength to face death, but also sh like she no longer needs the coat.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_01: She's doing something now for everybody else.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: They're sipping, they're in the cart, like this image of them sipping their hot chocolate.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's like their final meal.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_01: Their fine, I don't want to call it a meal, but their final treat that they're getting.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: Their last supper.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, their last like earthly um treat to enjoy.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of a a sad image.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know why that like upsets me so much.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Just the chocolate.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: It like pulls out your heartstrings a little bit, you know.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: And the fact that again, they they sang while they were imprisoned, they they all had each other's backs, like you know, they were all going down together, and then they had this kind of final thing together of such an innocent, cute thing.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, of sharing chocolate of sharing chocolate.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's never gonna have sipping chocolate the same now.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: I told Megan because there's this cute picture of the nuns like sipping their little cups of chocolate.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, I want that over my coffee bar.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_01: They look so happy.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_01: It was like a watercolor picture, it wasn't like a photograph.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, it was like a beautiful artistic representation.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, but then people are gonna ask me, like, oh, what's this photo?
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, it's the women about to be executed.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it might lead to dark conversations.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Half our conversations turn out like that.
• 41:06
  SPEAKER_01: We're used to you know me.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but the this cart that took them from the courthouse to where the guillotine was, it was far.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_01: It was an hour and a half drive.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: Cart?
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_01: By cart.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: That is far.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: That is far.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: It was the Place de Nas de la Nacion, which is where they were uh headed towards.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_01: They didn't want to take them to the main one where most of the executions happened and where the guillotine was set up because Yeah, which I think is where the modern day Louvre is.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: It's like the Tuilliers or something.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, where those we've talked about before on the show, but where those Egyptian pillars are.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's not plastic grave.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 41:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's not it.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: The main one?
• 41:50
  unknown: I thought, no.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: We should look it up.
• 41:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_01: We got books in front of us.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: I wonder if it says it in there.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure there's a map right in the page we're gonna turn to.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um What was the reason why they didn't want to take the not not because of crowds.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, because of crowds.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: They they wanted to avoid the main guillotine.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: The streets were too bloody to take them to the main area.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_00: They had been doing so many executions during the Reign of Terror, back to back to back, that literally, like I think the word was like engorged.
• 42:20
  SPEAKER_00: Like the streets were engorged.
• 42:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's disturbing.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: They couldn't, they were like, oh, it's too messy over here.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_01: Let's take them to somewhere.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like a little more low-key for hygiene.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_01: We need to clean this area up first and then they'll be back in business.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_01: They were executing hundreds of people at a time.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you said, like, as a spectator, like even if you hated the crown and you hated the way things were going in France before, like, why would you cheer for this?
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: This is horrific.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_00: This is one of the worst things.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: It says a lot about human nature.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think it says a lot about mob mentality.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 42:57
  SPEAKER_01: And like following along with the trends because everyone else is into it.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing that's like binge watching a TV show.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: And it could still be the best TV show.
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_01: Even if the sickest person in that crowd loved watching a good execution because he's a sick monster, that's a lot to have to watch.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: I think like crowds would disp disperse.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_01: They would get over it.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: By like the 50th one, you're like, Does it desensitize you to death?
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I think so.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: I think that whole machine desensitized people to actually what they were doing, that they were topping off their heads so quickly.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_00: One after another.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it makes me queasy thinking about it.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but the sisters themselves showed zero fear.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: Literally, from the time they were on their carts, they were singing hymns.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and the time that they got to the to the scaffold to the execution site, they were continuing to chant and to pray.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um, there was even one woman who, when she was being like let off the cart, sister.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Charlotte.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: She was 78 and she she was really struggling.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like she had to walk with a crutch.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: And when she was getting up, her hands, her hands were bound and she was already kind of unstable.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: So she fell over and a guard was like impatient with her and threw her to the ground.
• 44:15
  SPEAKER_00: So she ended up like faceplanting on the ground and she was like, she bloodied her face, but she she laid there for a few minutes and then she got up and she told the guard, like, Thank you for not killing me.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: She's like, she basically said something to the effect of like, I want to die here with my sisters and have this community experience.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: So thank you for not killing me.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: This is where it gets even heavier.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_01: So all 16 of them are prepared to die.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um the prioress, Mother Teresa, made a special request that they did agree to that she would be last, not because she was afraid, but because she wanted to see all of them through.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: She also had this tiny figurine.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_01: A figurine.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: She held this, it's this tiny small statue of the Virgin Mary.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so each woman uh that was there, they first of all, they were they were like there to renew their vows as well.
• 45:04
  SPEAKER_00: So they were all kneeling in front of her, renewing their vows out loud, and they were asking for her permission to die.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: So she was praying over every single nun, saying, you know, thank you for your vow renewal.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, you have permission to die.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: And they were all kissing this tiny figurine, figurine of the Virgin Mary.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: And normally crowds in this era, especially during Reign of Terror, were like super loud and annoying and you know, shouting terrible things and maybe throwing things or whatever, being so unruly.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: This crowd was absolutely silent.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_01: They have show a little bit of respect.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_00: For your immortal immortal soul.
• 45:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_01: Constance, the youngest one, she went up first.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: And this is what kind of sends shivers down my spine.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_01: They're all singing together.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_01: And then they're still singing as they put their head into the guillotine.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then, of course, they're abruptly cut off by the blade.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_01: And everyone's still continuing to sing the hymns of the 16 women.
• 46:06
  SPEAKER_01: But as one by one by one they start going down and losing, yeah, losing their heads, yeah.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: The the choir softens until there's only like five and then four.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_01: And oh until it's just Mother Teresa.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_01: Singing by herself.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_01: Why am I like gonna get emotional over this?
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_01: This is a sad one.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_01: This is a very sad one.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, this reminds me of the Sophie Shoal episode, too.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: That one was another.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_01: I was thinking about that.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:34
  SPEAKER_00: They talked about how fast and efficient the guillotine was.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so so yeah, so Mother Teresa was the last one.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, uh, because of this era, they're just buried heads and bodies into this mass grave.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: There's probably 120 something, 130-something bodies in this mass grave.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: So to this day, they don't really have any relics of these women.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: They don't have any bones, clothing, like nothing to show um their last moments.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_00: But they do still have that they found they said that Mother Teresa gave her small statue of the Virgin Mary to someone in the crowd.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: And apparently historians have recovered it.
• 47:14
  SPEAKER_00: So now you can actually see it if you go to, I don't know where they have it now.
• 47:18
  SPEAKER_01: It was in the crypt at the convent.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: But is it the same convent?
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Is it the Carmelite convent?
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think it is.
• 47:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think it I think it is.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's the same nuns who go down there and pray.
• 47:27
  SPEAKER_00: I think you're right.
• 47:28
  SPEAKER_00: So they have this small room in the basement and it has a tiny statue, the statue, that all of the nuns kissed, which is the only kind of surviving thing of this um of this terrible day.
• 47:39
  SPEAKER_00: And it wasn't until 2024 they were actually canonized.
• 47:44
  SPEAKER_00: So this is a super new relevant story.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_00: Two years ago.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_00: It took them so long, and we watched this great documentary.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_00: It's called Bless, Blessed or Blessed.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, it's all in French, but it has English subtitles.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_00: And they talk about it goes back to the history of the the nuns, but then it goes back to current day where they're kind of petitioning to be um canonized and saying, Hey, these nuns sacrificed their lives.
• 48:08
  SPEAKER_00: Like, can you please give them this religious nod?
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_00: And typically, I didn't know this, but in order to be canonized and to be considered a saint, you have to have performed miracles.
• 48:19
  unknown: Oh.
• 48:20
  SPEAKER_00: So these really?
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: So these nuns who did like Thomas More performed?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's what I was wondering.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, wasn't Thomas More saint?
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um, or he was at least canonized martyred.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_00: I maybe there's a difference between like martyrdom and canonization.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: You know, well, canonization, okay.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't canonization becoming a saint?
• 48:41
  SPEAKER_01: I could be wrong.
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_01: I might sound really dumb right now.
• 48:43
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe we do.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna make some people roll their eyes.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: Correct us.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: I thought being canonized was like pardoning them of whatever they were accused and found guilty of so that they have a clear name.
• 48:55
  SPEAKER_01: Oh.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: But I might be wrong.
• 48:57
  SPEAKER_00: I I think I just wrapped all those words into one.
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like I thought if you were a martyr, you were also canonized and you also were sainted.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know what?
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna do some research.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: And that's what this podcast teaches us.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: When we think that we know things and we realize we don't know things, it's helpful.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna go and look it up after.
• 49:13
  SPEAKER_01: And we'll teach you next time.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: But they were, yeah, maybe send me a direct message.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: If we remember, if I don't write it down right now, I'm gonna forget.
• 49:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but uh, but they were all 16 recognized as saints, so they whatever you want to call it, canonized martyrdom, they were all recognized as saints by the church, by Pope Francis in 2024.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: And uh what one way the modern day nuns in this documentary argue that even if the I guess threshold was performing miracles, they had all of these letters from people around the world who pro who prove who, you know, through their letters, but they were proving proving that, hey, like I prayed to these nuns and then my disease was cured.
• 49:54
  SPEAKER_00: Or I prayed to these nuns and someone they knew, you know, came out of poverty or or something.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: They basically had all these examples, just these testimonies saying, hey, you know, this this they might have not performed a miracle in their lifetime, but I prayed to them and I've seen miracles because I prayed to them.
• 50:11
  SPEAKER_00: So they use that as a lot of the I guess fodder to show the the current Pope, like wait, no, he's not current.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: No, we are we're on to Leo.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_00: We're on to Leo now.
• 50:21
  SPEAKER_00: RIP the Yeah, R.I.P.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: Pope Francis.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: But he was he was the one that officially, you know, had them canonized, made them saints, and they had this big ceremony for them.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_00: So they officially are saints now.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: Pray to them.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like a happy ending for how terrible it was.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: It was.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_01: I like ending on a better note like that.
• 50:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, and one cherry on top, Rob's Pierre, the guy we talked about.
• 50:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, the guy who was behind all of this reign of terror.
• 50:46
  SPEAKER_01: He loved the guillotine.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: He was himself executed by guillotine ten days after the nuns were executed.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people think because of these nuns, it was like the end of the reign of terror.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: Not officially, but they think this is what officially was the climax of it, and we're like, okay, we can't go on.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_00: Like, did we go too far?
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_00: So only 10 days later, Robespierre, mastermind, done.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's a cafe in Paris.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: What's it called?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: Which one?
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_00: Le Procoupe?
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_01: Les Procoupe.
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yay! That they say Robespierre, that was like his hangout spot.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: There's so many famous people who went to that cafe.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_00: Ben Franklin, um Napoleon.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Jefferson.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Thomas Jefferson.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: All the Americans were there.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_01: So were we.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was the cool, it was like, yeah.
• 51:36
  SPEAKER_01: That's why we showed up.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: But anyways, I like the history of that restaurant.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: And it there's a lot of history in that restaurant that it's like literally in the menu.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_01: You could read about it.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_01: But they talk about how it was surviving through the French Revolution, and it's like the oldest restaurant in Paris.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember seeing how I was like, Oh, was Rose Pierre in this room I was in the room.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: Probably.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_00: I always think that, like, you know, when you sit at a certain table, you go, Oh, were they here in this spot?
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, tables have changed and things.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_01: Walking up the stairs.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, walking up the stairs, like touching the railings, or like going even to the restroom.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't even know if they had the right plumbing for a restroom.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was probably outside.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, yeah, you know, certain parts are like, oh, they touched this, or at least something near this.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_00: They were in this space.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that was a good one.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad you brought that up.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_01: I thought I'd never heard of it before.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: Me neither.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_01: We gotta get it.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_01: We keep finding these executions.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_01: And people, uh, thank you, who keep sending us ideas and recommendations.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: And what what's funny about a lot of these executions is uh I I feel like I always research like someone I've written down, like, oh, I'm gonna research this one.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: And while I'm researching that one, I feel like three others pop up.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'm like, oh wait, our list do this one.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: I really thought that we would have like we'd be running out of ideas soon.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: We'd make it to season five.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, shockingly.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 52:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but this was I think a very appropriate story for Good Friday and for Easter.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um the uh it'll be post-Easter once the episode gets out, but we're in the spirit of it.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_01: So in the spirit of Easter, in the spirit of the French.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this was this was a good one.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_00: Definitely pulled at the heartstrings a bit.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: Because sometimes we talk about bad people that kind of deserve their punishment.
• 53:17
  SPEAKER_01: This was Yeah, we need a mix.
• 53:19
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we're like, well, this guy was an idiot.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, I know.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_01: Their laundry escapade was a little bit.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: Why is it always laundry?
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'll get over it, but no, I do feel I do feel I do feel for these, um, right?
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_01: I do feel for them.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um Elizabeth, any final words?
• 53:38
  SPEAKER_00: Viva la France.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_02: I don't even know if that's how you say it.