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ADAPT Vs the Bill: Medicaid's Future · Living Loud and Proud: Disability Conversations

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And now, here is your host. Hi folks! Welcome
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to the Living Loud and Proud podcast from Disability
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Pride, Pennsylvania. Today, we're talking about
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Medicaid. Very topical. I'm your host, Phil Rosen.
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I'm here with my co -producer, Ray Deca. Hello,
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folks. How's everybody today? And today, we have
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two guests on. We have Dominique Howell and Latoya
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Maddox. Latoya Maddox and Dominique Howell are
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two disability advocates with ADAPT who staged
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an action with others at the House Energy and
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Commerce Committee meeting on May 13th of this
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year. This action was highlighting the tax bill
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being deliberated in the House that would cut
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over $800 billion from Medicaid. How are you
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doing, Dom and Latoya? To speak for both of us,
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this is Dominique. I am exhausted and I'm sure
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Latoya is exhausted as well for the most part,
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but we are happy that our presence was known
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and felt and heard. Yeah, well, of course, it
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was a lot of stuff going on that day and, you
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know, getting arrested, I'm sure. Takes a lot
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of energy out of people. So I guess I just wanted
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to start off by just kind of asking you guys,
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what is the organization ADAPT? I'm exhausted,
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but I'm glad the Republicans ultimately didn't
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get anything done. So with that being said, ADAPT
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is a national grassroots organization that's
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been around for 44, almost 45 years. We are a
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group of direct activists who go out and fight
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for the rights for people with disabilities.
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We're a nonviolent, civil disobedient organization.
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And what we know for a fact is that direct action,
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when honestly our lives are on the line, has
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been the most effective way for Congress. our
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local governments to hear us and to, you know,
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make good changes for the disability community.
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Oh, awesome. And is there any like relevant history
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of ADAPT that you guys want to cover real quick
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or? So I guess the biggest piece that people
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who. may be new to listening or new to learning
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about ADAPT is that we were very instrumental
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in helping the Americans with Disabilities Act
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get passed, which will be 35 years old on July
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26th of this year. So I think that would be very
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poignant for people to learn and research. Also,
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when Medicaid was trying to get cut, I think
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it was back in 2017, we took over the Speaker
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of the House then was, I believe, Mitch McConnell's
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office, and we honestly helped save Medicaid
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that year, along with other direct activists
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that were out there. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Not
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to... correct you or anything, but I think he
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was the Senate majority leader at the time. But
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that's really cool. That's awesome to hear that
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you guys were instrumental in the ACA. I think
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I remember seeing some of the clips in 2017 on
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the news, just like I saw the clips of the action
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at the House Energy and Commerce Committee meeting
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just about a week ago. What circumstances made
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this action necessary i mean as you said in the
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beginning of your um an introduction 850 million
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dollars will be cut from medicaid and uh you
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know that's a sizable amount for the whole united
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states and the people that will be most affected
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will be the disabled community and our services
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and our wages for the people that help us. So
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that's what made this important to speak up and
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to take into action, so to speak. Right. And
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are there any finer points to that that you could
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flesh out a little bit more that maybe aren't
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being discussed in the broader discussion of
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the bill and the potential cuts? Can you, like,
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elaborate, expound a little bit? Like, I keep
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hearing a lot of people talk about, you know,
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how, you know, Medicaid covers a lot of different
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things, right? There's a lot of different programs
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that are partially funded by Medicaid that a
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lot of people don't necessarily, like, realize.
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You know, like, for instance, ADAP could be...
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potentially um one of the things that would get
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cut heavily under this bill which is like the
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assistive drug program for a lot of states um
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you know the thing that a lot of people are focusing
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on are more uh the discussion of things like
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the expanded medicaid like under the aca could
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completely go out the window because they're
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forcing states to fund that themselves so i guess
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You know, our campaign this year was, you know,
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Keys to the Community, which are based on services
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and wages and also housing, but we're not here
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to speak about housing, and everybody knows that
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there's a housing crisis. all over the country,
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so that's not really what we're here to focus
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on. But when we say services and wages, we're
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specifically talking about services that are
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covered by Medicaid. We're specifically talking
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about the wages for the people that provide us
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services under home and community -based services.
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And what people may not realize is that all over
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the country, home and community -based services
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has already been threatened to be... cut from
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people who receive Medicaid, even without this
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bill. And so since it's already being slashed,
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we know that with this $850 million idea of cutting
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Medicaid, that those services will continue to
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be cut, and that without those services, people
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like myself and Latoya and other adapters, you
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know, are... potentially will either end up in
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nursing homes or worse, end up dead because without
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those services, we cannot continue to live or
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thrive or survive in this country without Medicaid.
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Right. Yeah, that makes sense. Are there any
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other services that Medicaid provides to disabled
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individuals they otherwise would not have access
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to besides the community -based care? Yes, this
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is Latoya. So we get under that we get home modifications
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done. So a lot of people who need grab bars,
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stair lifts, lifts outside their homes, ramps,
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things of that nature, they might not be able
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to get that or it may take even longer because
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I just got my bathroom done and it took a year
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and a half for it just to get approved to get
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done and it took them a week to put it in. Think
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of Medicaid getting cut and how much longer people
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would have to wait. Things of that nature. Our
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transportation, some of us use, we live in Philadelphia,
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we use the SEPTA transportation system and yes,
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it has its flaws and yes, they are up against
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a rock and hard place. However, without that
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fare allotment that we get through our waiver,
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we would have to come out of pocket every month
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between $144 for Zone 2 to however much they
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are for cross -country, because some consumers
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go everywhere when they get a cross -country
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pass through their waiver, or at least a higher
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level, like a Zone 3, Zone 4, things of that
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nature. We get that money. I mean, we get our
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transportation and our home modifications through
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the Medicaid Home and Community -Based Service
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waiver system. And not only to mention that,
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but durable medical equipment like wheelchairs
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and, you know, shower chairs and those kinds
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of things that we need. Our PERS unit, which
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are... Personal Emergency Response Unit, also
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known as Life Alert, which, you know, a lot of
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us live independently and all of us don't have
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24 -hour care. And so if there's an emergency
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that happens, this is something that Medicaid
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pays for. So people don't realize that a lot
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of things that are, you know, it's not just like,
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oh, Medicaid, it's the services that Medicaid
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provides to... allow us to live independently
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but to even take it a step further you know we
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um know that dental health will be the first
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to be cut because you know they don't really
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take dentistry as a serious medical need and
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so that's the first to be cut those are things
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that everyone needs um but particularly um disabled
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folks because we have other issues medically
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that require us to have dental care on a regular
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basis. There's so many nooks and crannies that
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people are not thinking about. Nursing homes
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will lose funding. As a dad, we're not a big...
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proponent of that you know we don't believe in
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institutional living but that means that if nursing
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homes lose funding then there are more people
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that need to get out and we don't have enough
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housing so everything comes back to Medicaid
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provides because there's a housing shortage for
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everyone. But then you think about people who
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are disabled and low income and not enough accessibility
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and integrated and affordable housing across
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the country, not just here in Pennsylvania, which,
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you know, as I'm sure you guys know, Pennsylvania.
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In Philadelphia, and particularly, we have the
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largest population of disabled people. So to
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think about all of the people that live in the
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nursing homes, which we also have a large population
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of institutional living here, if they get thrown
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out because there's no Medicaid coverage, where
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are they going to live? Are they going to die?
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You know, there's a lot of things to think about
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here. So it just cracks down to that. And then
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there's mental health. I just did a post about
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it. Like, you know, there's 58 .7 million people
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as of 2022 estimated with a mental disability.
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And that's adults. And there's 7 .7 million children
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that are also have been diagnosed with a mental
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disorder or disability as of 2023. Medicaid helps
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provide psychiatrists, psychologists. programs
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and services support. We're talking treatment
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for drugs and alcohol and all of those things
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that mental disability cover, Medicaid helps
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cover that for a lot of Americans. So there's
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so many things to think about, you know, not
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just what you can see physically. Yeah, yeah,
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of course. You know, something that I've kind
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of noticed in some of the discussions from like
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some of the people who are in charge of health
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and human services and, you know, we can debate
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all about them, however long you want but I've
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been hearing things about like, you know, trying
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to cut chip and stuff like that is chip kind
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of part of Medicaid or is that a separate program.
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Do you happen to know, chip is a part of Medicaid,
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but It has different qualifications than straight
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Medicaid does. Just like Latoya and myself, we're
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on home and community -based services waivers
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through MCO, which is a different part of Medicaid.
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So Medicaid is split up into so many different
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sectors and avenues that that's another thing
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that people aren't thinking about. They're not
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thinking about, you know. And when I say people,
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I mean Americans. We're talking to senators,
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to representatives. They're not thinking about
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the children that are on CHIP. They're not thinking
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about people who are on waivers. They're not
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thinking about all of the different things that
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Medicaid covers because it's such an expansion,
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right, as we talk about the expansion program,
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that it covers so much that $850 million will
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slash each program. Regardless of how they look
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at it, because you have to get the money from
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somewhere. So you're going to have to cut into
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every program. Right. Yeah. And, you know, the
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other kind of thing that I think a lot of people,
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you know, are talking about and whatnot, but
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maybe it's a little bit of a subtle idea is like
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so many people when they go off of Medicaid.
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Right. They're going to stop. They're not going
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to stop needing care. Right. But they're going
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to stop going to their primary care or having
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like regular follow ups and stuff like that.
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You know, a lot of the preventive side of things.
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So what ends up happening is we end up forcing
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them into a situation where they have to wait
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for care until suddenly they have to go to the
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emergency room, get, you know, whatever life
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saving care is at the time. And then at the end
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of the day, they're not going to be able to pay
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that back. a lot of people right so we're gonna
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end up in a situation where they have to give
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the care and then you know the taxpayer is gonna
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have to pay you know three times four times more
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just to you know keep people alive when we could
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really just be preventing a lot of conditions
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from getting exacerbated right exactly exactly
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yeah um and and something else that a lot of
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people you know, have kind of touched upon, but,
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you know, haven't necessarily, you know, I think
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it doesn't necessarily get, you know, it's a
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more subtle point again, is like a lot of the
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more elder care services, you know, like, you
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know, like you were saying, home health care
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aides, you know, for a lot of elderly people,
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but also people who are being paid to take care
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of their loved one, right? Because a lot of those
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programs that, you know, I see the billboards
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for them, they're like, you know, get paid to
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take care of your mom or your dad, whoever it
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is. And, you know, Medicaid does pay for that
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as well. Yes. I mean, majority of those companies
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are not private pay companies. They receive money
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through the states, right? Because we're not
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just talking about Pennsylvania. But we see they
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see money through the states and and that's how
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they pay themselves and their employees. So,
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again, not only will people be directly affected,
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businesses will be directly affected when it
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comes to health care. Right, of course. And I
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guess, you know, another question I have for
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you is, do you guys have any like stories of
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people like. utilizing Medicaid or getting on
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Medicaid and suddenly they have access to a whole
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bunch of things that they didn't have access
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to before? Or is that kind of outside of the
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scope of what you guys are talking about with
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everything that's going on? I can tell you a
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story about a friend, an ADAPT member, to keep
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it on the ADAPT totem pole. They lived in Texas
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and they were receiving home and community -based
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services out there. And yes, Texas is, you know,
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a more conservative state. And they weren't,
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they wanted to move. So they, you know, found
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a house in North Carolina, moved to North Carolina.
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But guess what? Medicaid doesn't cross state
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lines. So you have to start. from scratch so
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everything that this person had while they were
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living in Texas they lost when they moved to
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North Carolina it has took for them and their
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roommate and their best friend to be outside
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doing direct actions and you know calling out
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the Medicaid directors in North Carolina and
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ultimately they got They have home and community
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-based services now. They have attendant care
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wages now. And they finally were able to get
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a new wheelchair. And their roommate was able
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to get a wheelchair. And they both use attendant
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care services. But that was a fight. And it was
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like, I think they've been living in North Carolina
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for three years. And I think they're just now
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able to, like, really, you know, live. And that's
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not saying they're living without. any issues,
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because there's a lot of issues down south. Down
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south is not up north, so we have to fight a
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lot. And we did go to North Carolina. ADAPT did
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go to North Carolina last June, in June, and
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they went to the representative of the Medicaid
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director out there. showed up, it was a bunch
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of them, showed up at the office, they're on
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ramps, they're on, and blocking doors, and, you
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know, blocking stairways, you know, sitting in
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people's parking spots, in the parking lot, things
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of that nature, you know, so, yeah, so, and it
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happens to all of us, we don't, you know, Dom
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and I, we love living in Philadelphia, but we
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don't, I know for myself, I don't want this to
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be my last resting, you know, state, I want to
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be able to leave. When my son graduates from
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high school and venture off and do me and possibly
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live in another state. But I'm afraid my Medicaid
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is going to get cut. So why would I leave? I'm
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not old, but I'm older and I can't go without
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attending care services. I cannot go without
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attending care services. I could go a couple
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hours, but not 24. Not all 24. And I mean, you
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know, I did live somewhere else for a period
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of time and I thought that was going to be it.
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And it was, you know, I lived in Georgia for
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a period of time and I thought I was going to
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stay there to live. Now this is 10 plus years
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ago, but it wasn't accessible enough. And the
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whole process with Medicaid to start over. was
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just too daunting and I would have needed it
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to start right away. And so, you know, ultimately
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I made the decision to come back to Philadelphia.
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I mean, which in the grand scheme of things,
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how everything panned out, I guess, you know,
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it kind of worked out, but, you know, like Latoya
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said, you know, people should be able to move
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how, you know, where they want, when they want,
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how they want without being worried about things
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like, oh, I'm not going to receive Medicaid.
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When I get there, I'm not going to receive home
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and community based services. I'm not going to
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be able to live independently because, you know,
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our fellow adapters, they really struggled, you
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know, six, seven months out. I mean, with everything.
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And so if they had Medicaid already in place,
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you know, it may have been. a lot better for
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them and so this these are the things that we're
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worried about these are the things that we are
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fighting for people who will lose their medicaid
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and then be without services like let's say it
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says she can't be without services for 24 hours
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and to be quite honest we're two different people
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but neither neither can i and so um you know
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and we already have a hard enough time here um
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and in all the states with keeping are attending
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care just because of the way that the politics
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are behind the waiver services. So imagine what
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happens when we, you know, when we lose it. You
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know, the people who, the disabled people who
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are employed, that means that, you know, our
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employment is infected. The people that are,
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you know, housed, that means our housing is infected.
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So there's so many things that will happen to
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so many Americans with disabilities if Medicaid
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is cut. this drastic. It'll trickle down and,
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you know, it'll be a mess. And the country will
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not know how to clean it up. They can say they
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will not. They will not know how to clean it
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up. They won't know what to do. And, you know,
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I make a joke, but it's like District 12 from
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the Hunger Games. You know, it's every person
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for itself. And so, you know, ADAPT has always
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been out at the front lines when it's important
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and that's what we continue to do and that's
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the power of a debt so right and i mean i'm just
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thinking about it three years i'm just doing
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like quick math in my head but that's a few days
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shy of like 1100 days right that's a crazy long
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time before like you get your services back yes
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you know and that that's oh my gosh yes and to
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think she's That person is not in a place like
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Philadelphia. She's in a rural place and it's
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not as accessible and all of these other things.
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We're thinking about the people in rural areas,
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city areas, metropolitan. It doesn't matter where
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you are. This will affect you a great deal. Yeah,
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I'm always having to point that out to people,
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especially people with disabilities who are moving
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to areas like that. You know, they don't stop
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to think that, you know, it's not as convenient
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as it would be like a place like Philadelphia,
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Baltimore, or New York, you know, public transportation.
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Yeah, it can be real daunting. Americans shouldn't
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have to face that. People with disabilities should
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not have to face that. We did not ask to be here.
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We did not ask to be disabled. That is not how
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this works. And so we should not be punished
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or violated because of who we are as people.
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Right. And that's what this feels like. It feels
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like a punishment, a violation to, you know,
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our human rights. So health care is a human right.
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Right. So everywhere else is free for the most
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part in the country. And so it should be it should
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continue to be free here for the people that
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need it. Right. I'm just going to say it. Those
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people who are making the decisions for us have
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never walked in our shoes or even close to it.
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So they can't understand, won't understand. And
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they will make their choices based on their own
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experience, which is none of nothing like ours.
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That's the problem. Yeah, but you know what?
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To take that even further, they have family members
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who are on Medicaid at some point. They have
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family members who are in nursing homes. They
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do. Whether they directly pay for them or not,
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somewhere in their lineage, they have people
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who have used Medicaid. And so to me, it's just
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like stop and think and use humanity. Exactly.
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We're talking about, and I'm being clear, we're
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talking about an administration who does not
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care about the American people. Regardless if
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it's the American people who voted for them or
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not, they do not. care, and it is blatant disrespect,
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and it is blatant disregard for everything that
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everyone has worked for in this country. The
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administration is just dismantling it all. Unfortunately,
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it is, but we're going to continue to fight and
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make our voices heard. make our presence known,
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and hopefully, you know, we can turn the tide
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again like we did in 2017. It was technically
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under the same president, so it may be possible.
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I mean, it's a little different because they
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have other minions. You know, I'm not going to
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mince words. They have other minions. under their
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thumb than they did in 2017. People we didn't
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vote for. Yes. And people who kissed the ring
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even more so. Yeah. Say it again, Ray. People
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who kissed the ring even more so. Yes. Yes. But
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I think if people are watching this and they
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know us by now because of all the attention,
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I just want to say we are we are in awe of all
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this attention that we are receiving but we we
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just want to thank you all for you know reposting
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asking us to to be a part of media and wanting
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to hear our story and wanting to understand what
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adapt is and and like really because we had no
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idea we just were Doing what we always do, what
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we've been doing for the last almost 45 years.
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You know what I mean? What we did when we were
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trying to pass the ADA, what we did in 2017.
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And so, you know, we thank the American people
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for paying attention because that's who it is.
28:20
You know, that's who it is. So we just thank
28:24
them. And, you know, continue to reach out to
28:28
your... representatives and your senators and
28:32
really understand that everything will be affected.
28:36
Your medication, your services, your doctor's
28:41
offices, anything that you can think of when
28:44
it comes to healthcare will be affected. We need
28:48
you to rally behind that. Not just for us, but
28:54
for American people. Yeah, for sure. And I definitely
29:00
want to echo, I believe it was Latoya a few minutes
29:03
ago that said, healthcare is a human right. And
29:05
I just want to echo that again, because I do
29:08
think it's very important for people to keep
29:10
framing it that way. Remind people that this
29:15
is something that we need that's being taken
29:18
from us, of course. Like we've been saying the
29:21
whole time here, obviously. Yes. Real quick,
29:28
just in a fantasy world, if you guys had the
29:33
ability to change the entire American health
29:36
care system, I'm kind of joking. That's a very
29:40
broad question. But if you guys had a chance
29:44
to redo this, what would you do to change it?
29:48
What would be the way that you would build it?
29:57
This looks for you, so I guess make it free,
30:02
for one. Two, accessible all around the board.
30:08
So, I mean, ASL interpreters on staff, equipment
30:12
that is for people that use wheelchairs and those
30:16
who don't use wheelchairs, those who have to
30:19
be on a stretcher the full time, doctors who
30:23
are well educated and not only educated by book,
30:28
but educated by the people, the disabled people,
30:31
so that they understand we all are not the same,
30:34
even if you don't have a disability. Just because
30:37
the medication works for that person doesn't
30:39
mean it's going to work for me and my disability.
30:45
I don't know. Dom, you got anything else? I mean,
30:48
you know, just, I mean, you know, DEI is like,
30:52
you know, saying Transgender is weird. You can't
30:55
say either one right now, right? But we're going
30:58
to say it. So bring DEI back. Bring diversity,
31:02
equity, and inclusion back into healthcare. Bring
31:06
in health equity. It needs to be a conversation
31:11
because all four of us on this podcast are different
31:17
people. We all have different needs. And so we
31:20
need to be treated as humans. and people and
31:25
we need a real whole care approach right and
31:28
that's the difference between like western and
31:31
eastern medicine eastern medicine they focus
31:33
less on medication and the whole care approach
31:36
of the person western medicine don't give a shit
31:39
about you and they only care about the 15 minutes
31:42
that they see your ass because that's what their
31:44
insurance is going to pay for but what happens
31:47
is you don't get a whole care approach and so
31:50
everybody deserves equity Everybody deserves
31:54
to be met where they are. And so, unfortunately,
31:58
because of how the healthcare system is designed,
32:02
so many disabled Americans have really faced
32:08
stark disparities when it comes to... access
32:13
to health care and so if you cut Medicaid I guess
32:17
I'm bringing it back to Medicaid we're going
32:19
to continue to see those disparities and we're
32:23
going to be dropping like flies and it's unfortunate
32:25
but it's the reality that's going to happen we're
32:28
going to lose diabetic medication we're going
32:30
to lose durable medical equipment and all these
32:33
other things, EpiPens and all these things that
32:36
we need to survive, we're going to lose it without
32:39
Medicaid. Because who can pay $800, $900 for
32:42
an EpiPen? Who can pay $800, $900 for diabetic
32:46
medication? Who can do that? A wheelchair costs
32:50
more money than a car does. Who can pay for that?
32:55
You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about a
32:58
standard electric wheelchair. I'm not talking
33:00
about all the bells and whistles. You know, and
33:03
so, you know, and I think the last thing I want
33:07
to say is that health care is what rules the
33:10
world, right? They are the ones that make the
33:12
decision for the rest of the world. They're the
33:15
ones that make the decision for the businesses
33:16
and big pharma and how housing is developed and
33:20
all of these other things. And so people really
33:22
need to think about that, right? if in a perfect
33:29
world, if we were able to change how the healthcare
33:32
system was designed, we would be able to change
33:35
so many other things because the biases come
33:38
from the healthcare system. They're the ones
33:40
that started discrimination. They're the ones
33:42
that started the biases. They're the ones that
33:44
mistreated the patients and allow, you know,
33:46
people to die and have, you know, influx of flu
33:50
and polio and all these other things. You know,
33:54
I'm being like really transparent here. But now
33:57
we have these services because people like ADAPT
34:00
members and other folks over a period of time
34:04
have fought for this. So now we have it and now
34:07
we're going to take it away and we're going to
34:08
go back. We can't go back. Like, there's no way,
34:11
you know, that would just be detrimental to the
34:16
whole country. And obviously the world, because
34:18
the world, you know, is watching us, right? The
34:21
world is watching. Right. Well, and, you know,
34:26
there's been a lot of things that have also been
34:28
affecting the rest of the world, too, with a
34:30
lot of the budget cuts as well. Not that it's
34:33
really relevant to the discussion. I'm going
34:35
to stay away from that topic. But, you know,
34:38
any last words before we sign off here? To learn
34:45
more about ADEPT, visit www .nationaladept .org.
34:51
If you are a person who is interested in being
34:53
an activist or, you know, just getting to know
34:57
us, there are multiple chapters across the United
35:02
States. So if you live on the East Coast, there's
35:05
a bunch of chapters there. If you live down South,
35:07
there's a bunch of chapters there. If you live
35:09
on the West Coast, there's some chapters there.
35:12
And so there's always ways to get involved. Remember
35:16
to call your senators. There's this great app
35:18
called Call 5. And you can use it on your phone
35:24
or on a tablet or on your computer. You go to
35:29
it and you put in your area of where you live
35:33
and all your representatives and senators come
35:35
up and different issues that are currently happening
35:39
and bills that are currently being... considered
35:42
are there, and so you can tell your representatives,
35:45
hey, no cuts to Medicaid, and there's a whole
35:47
script, so you don't even have to worry about
35:49
saying anything. It's just something quick and
35:51
easy to do, so I think that's where I'll leave
35:55
it. I don't know if Latoya has anything else
35:57
to add, but that's... Yeah, my little tidbit
36:01
is nobody's free until we're all free, so the
36:06
work is never done. We're out here. We'll be
36:09
out here. Look for us online or on the news.
36:14
You never know. Yeah. We're on Facebook, Instagram.
36:19
We're on TikTok. So, you know, we're on all the
36:24
major social media outlets. And, you know, like
36:28
she said, you never know. And no keys, no freedom.
36:30
So no Medicaid, no freedom. So, yeah. Powerful
36:36
words. Well, thanks for coming on Latoya and
36:40
Dominique. This has been a great discussion.
36:46
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36:52
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