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22. How Family Constellations Create Ripple Effects in Healing with Neil Meekin · Constellations and all that...

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  Tracy Cartwright: Kia ora, and welcome to Constellations and All That.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I'm your host Tracey Cartwright, and together we will be exploring the world of family constellations with facilitators and clients from around the world, looking at different perspectives and experiences in the work, having a cup of tea and just chatting with some friends around their experiences in constellations.
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  Tracy Cartwright: We'd love for you to join us.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I hope that you enjoy this series as much as I have loved making it.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Kia ora everyone, welcome to Constellations and all that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Today I have the pleasure of chatting away here with Neil Meakin from The Pool of Life.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So I'm going to allow you to introduce yourself, or invite you, sorry not allow you, invite you.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Introduce yourself Neil, a little bit about who you are.
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  Neil Meekin: Uh, well, first of all, Tracy, thanks.
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  Neil Meekin: Thanks for having me on the podcast.
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  Neil Meekin: Um, it's so nice to be connected back into Aotearoa New Zealand in preparation for the conference that's happening in April, which I'm really looking forward to coming over for from the UK.
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  Neil Meekin: So yeah, good to be here.
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  Neil Meekin: So yeah, a bit about myself.
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  Neil Meekin: So yeah, I, uh, with a funny accent, I'm from a city called Liverpool in England, in the UK.
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  Neil Meekin: Um, but I've lived in lots of different places over the time that I've, I've been on this earth, but yeah, I lived in New Zealand for seven years and, um, yeah, six years in Wellington.
• 1:27
  Neil Meekin: And then I was a year down in the South Island.
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  Neil Meekin: That's a whole other story to do with COVID.
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  Neil Meekin: So, um, that's a story for another day, but yeah, family constellations for coming to my life.
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  Neil Meekin: Really, when I came back to the UK.
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  Neil Meekin: So when I lived in New Zealand, Tracy, I unexpectedly had to return to the UK.
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  Neil Meekin: So during lockdown, my, my nan, God rest her soul, passed away.
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  Neil Meekin: And so during lockdown, because we didn't have any, any, um, really any cases, I had to get back to the UK quite easily.
• 1:58
  Neil Meekin: I just couldn't get back the other way.
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  Neil Meekin: So I was stuck in the UK.
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  Neil Meekin: Stuck in the UK.
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  Neil Meekin: Yeah, it was a bit
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  Tracy Cartwright: harder to get back into that.
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  Neil Meekin: Yeah, ended up in a, um, it took me about three months to get back and then I ended up in a, um, a hotel room in Hamilton for two weeks for me since I managed isolation.
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  Neil Meekin: But, um, the reason why I give me that sort of context is that when I got back to New Zealand, there was just a real pull for me to go back to the UK and I didn't really know what it was for.
• 2:27
  Neil Meekin: But then when I've come back to the UK, it all makes sense.
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  Neil Meekin: And that's when the constellations, family constellations journey started for me.
• 2:35
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, that's where the journey starts.
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  Neil Meekin: So yeah, here I am as a facilitator practicing family constellations.
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  Neil Meekin: So yeah, good to be here.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
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  Tracy Cartwright: What were you doing before constellations?
• 2:47
  Tracy Cartwright: So your line of work.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So for me, I was an energy healer, an artist, medicine woman doing stuff like that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So I come in on that side, not the psychology side.
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  Tracy Cartwright: What were you doing before?
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  Neil Meekin: So for many years, I was what's called an innovation consultant.
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  Neil Meekin: And I still am.
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  Neil Meekin: I mean, I still, part of my wider practice for the pool of life is that, um, I work with innovation is where I work with ideas and I help bring them into manifestation into, into, into the world.
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  Neil Meekin: And so that, that manifests through.
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  Neil Meekin: Business.
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  Neil Meekin: So I work a lot with entrepreneurs, teach entrepreneurship, uh, coach entrepreneurs.
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  Neil Meekin: And these days I work specifically with, um, what's called social entrepreneurs.
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  Neil Meekin: So these are, these are people and organizations who have got a real social and environmental focus.
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  Neil Meekin: So in the past, I'd work with maybe government or I do a lot of work with corporates or like with banks and pharmaceutical companies and just in the line with my soul.
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  Neil Meekin: It's a form of manifestation.
• 3:54
  Neil Meekin: Because you're taking things Yeah, but it's brilliant.
• 3:57
  Neil Meekin: It's, I know it's because when I could frame it in a particular way, it's, you're working with change and transformation, but it's almost like a form of wizardry, I suppose.
• 4:05
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, you bring a magic into, into taking ideas of these things that exist in one's mind and then you're creating things into physical reality.
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  Neil Meekin: So yeah, almost like an artist, I suppose, as well.
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  Neil Meekin: So that's still part of my work.
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  Neil Meekin: Um, but Family Constellations, uh, has really come in strongly for me, but it's same, same, but different.
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  Neil Meekin: If that makes sense.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, absolutely.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I can see how you would be able to marry those together quite easily.
• 4:35
  Neil Meekin: Oh, yeah.
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  Neil Meekin: Well, it's fascinating, Tracy, because with that lens of family and systemic constellations, and when I'm working with like, uh, with big companies, you can see how, like, I mean, for an example, like entrepreneurs, like CEOs, like special, especially men, a lot of them are operating from this, uh, father wound.
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  Tracy Cartwright: That's driving a
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  Neil Meekin: particular type of behavior.
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  Neil Meekin: And like, because I've got this constellations systemic lens, I can see it and I can work with it.
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  Neil Meekin: So I'm not just working with families.
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  Neil Meekin: I'm also working with organizations, but the families of the leaders of the organizations and how they manifest into the business.
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  Neil Meekin: So it's fascinating.
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  Neil Meekin: Yeah.
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  Neil Meekin: It's a real gift to be able to do the work.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I love that you, you were saying, sharing earlier that what you do is a little bit of wizardry and the alchemy of bringing it all together, right?
• 5:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Like, and I was sharing with someone earlier.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, actually it was Nikki that we just talked about, who you met on one of our calls.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And she was saying, um, when she did her event, she put on her teacher's voice.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And, uh, and it was like, well, these are the things that we're bringing with us, right?
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  Tracy Cartwright: We're marrying, we're alchemizing all of the beautiful gifts from the work that we do in the, in the way that we do it, and we're bringing it into our constellations.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So, you know, because Hellinger was all about, you know, taking this and putting your own stamp on it as well.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So taking the bones, the structure of constellations, and here, so here it is in a, in a framework.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And then adding your own essence into it.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I mean, for me, uh, my first teacher was a German lady, beautiful soul.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And I had, and she had learned from Burt.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So there was like, I had to then find my own Kiwiism in it.
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  Tracy Cartwright: My own way of being Tracyism or whatever.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Um, how's that been for you?
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  Tracy Cartwright: I know that you have, I know one of your teachers, beautiful Barbara.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It's
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  Neil Meekin: been remarkable really.
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  Neil Meekin: And, Because part of the reason for, for, I didn't really know at the time was going back.
• 6:44
  Neil Meekin: It was like an umbilical cord that had pulled me back and I realised that many years ago when I'd, when I moved to New Zealand I was running away.
• 6:51
  Neil Meekin: So, um, that's come to, that's come to a realisation now that that was what was happening.
• 6:56
  Neil Meekin: So I, I did my ancestry and it was interesting because I want to touch on this because it was connected to to Christchurch.
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  Neil Meekin: So back in 2016 there's a thing called the Social Enterprise World Forum and it happens all over the world and it's like where a conference where all these different businesses that are called social enterprises come together and there was a young Maori guy And one of the reasons I moved to New Zealand was to learn more about, um, Maori philosophy and the worldview.
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  Neil Meekin: And I was chatting to him and got into a really deep conversation.
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  Neil Meekin: And he said, why are you so interested in, in, in my ancestry and my culture?
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  Neil Meekin: He said, what's yours?
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  Neil Meekin: And he put me on the spot and I couldn't answer it.
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  Neil Meekin: I said, well, I know I've got Irish, but like, I couldn't really say.
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  Neil Meekin: And it was really interesting because at that point I'd made an intention that if I ever went back to the UK, Then I go to Ireland, well as I transpired, when I went back to the UK, I went to Ireland and that's where I trained first.
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  Neil Meekin: So, that where I did my first training was with a lady called Roisin Fallon, who, she trained with Barbara Morgan.
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  Neil Meekin: But obviously, Roisin, she's from Dublin, so she's got a very Irish, sort of, rooted way of facilitating family constellations.
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  Neil Meekin: And so, so for me, I was able to go to the land of my ancestors and where I train with Roisin, the training happened to be in my, my line on my, um, on my maternal line that I was able to get back to where they left that part of the, of Ireland to come to Liverpool, which is why I'm in Liverpool because, so I got to train in that exact place where that.
• 8:36
  Neil Meekin: Um, that sort of event happened.
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  Neil Meekin: So like my, my, so it was, so it was mime Lauren.
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  Tracy Cartwright: From the land of your ancestors, in like literally the land of your ancestors, right?
• 8:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Literally
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  Neil Meekin: the land.
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  Neil Meekin: So it was incredible.
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  Neil Meekin: So what I realized since I've been back in the UK and soon I'll be moving back to New Zealand is that the, the, the, the energy of the land in Ireland, the resonance of it is got an essence of almost like New Zealand.
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  Neil Meekin: It's really interesting.
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  Neil Meekin: It's got a real ancient magical energy in the land and the land speaks to you.
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  Neil Meekin: And it's, it was just a profound experience to, to train there.
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  Neil Meekin: And that definitely lends itself to my flavor of, of, of how I deliver constellations, for short, very earthy, very rooted to the land.
• 9:28
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, I get goosebumps as I say that.
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  Neil Meekin: But then now, as I'm training a second time around to do more advanced training, I'm apprenticed to Barbara, and that's in England.
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  Neil Meekin: And obviously got Barbara's history and Barbara trained with Bert Hellinger.
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  Neil Meekin: So there's like, there's like a different, there's a whole different energy around it.
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  Neil Meekin: And when I come to New Zealand, I'm really excited to, to experience your energy, you know, and to experience some of the facilitators there.
• 9:52
  Neil Meekin: Like Ginny Gibbons with the whole, I can't wait.
• 9:55
  Neil Meekin: And then obviously got Leslie Nipps coming from America, who's got a really like, yeah, very strong energy.
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  Neil Meekin: So yeah, it's interesting how, where we train and our ancestry can inform how we facilitate.
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  Neil Meekin: How's it been for you?
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  Tracy Cartwright: I think it's really opened me up to feeling more connected, because we are so, you know, the Pākehā, or the white person, the non Māori here, are disconnected from our ancestry.
• 10:24
  Tracy Cartwright: So this journey of constellations is bringing me back to that, but in it, so I did my DNA and I've always felt really connected with Māori.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I grew up in a village, so a very small area and, um, you know, just immersed in it really.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And then to discover that actually I do have Māori DNA and I have Hawaiian and Irish.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And I knew I had Irish and I knew I had Scottish and English, but a very large chunk of Scandinavian And some surprises.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So for me, it really makes me want to go to visit these places.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Scandinavia, I've already been to and, and felt at home before I even knew that it was in my DNA.
• 11:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And then just recently they've done some updates to discover that I have Germanic heritage as well.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So that makes sense for quite a few things that have happened in, in the past 10 years as well.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And I always, always admired the, The way that, you know, Māori know their whakapapa.
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  Tracy Cartwright: They know their, their ancestry, most Māori do.
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  Tracy Cartwright: They can tell you who their great great great great great great grandmother was, which waka, which boat they came out on.
• 11:40
  Neil Meekin: Of course, yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So, That is something that the majority of New Zealanders don't know.
• 11:48
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, it's interesting you say that because obviously it's insane with constellations and still having a lot of friends in New Zealand.
• 11:54
  Neil Meekin: It's um, it still surprises me how many people aren't aware of who their ancestors are and where they come from.
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  Neil Meekin: Um, Pākehā, I mean, you know, going, going back and just by doing it and like obviously you've done yours and me doing mine, it's been life changing.
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  Neil Meekin: And, you know, anyone who's maybe listened to this podcast, who is interested in the way or is doing the way or involved in constellations.
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  Neil Meekin: And, you know, they do their ancestry and realize they've got these different threads of these different places is that really encouraged them to go and step forth on that land.
• 12:34
  Neil Meekin: Because when you step forth on that land, your DNA, maybe your cells.
• 12:41
  Neil Meekin: They, they know, and I have had some really profound experiences and you know, all I say is like, you've got to go and experience it to understand what I'm saying, because it's palpable and it's there.
• 12:54
  Neil Meekin: And you know, and Maori would have known this, you know, um, Native Americans, like any indigenous culture would, would, would know this and be like, yeah, of course that's, it's normal.
• 13:05
  Tracy Cartwright: It's
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  Neil Meekin: profound.
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  Neil Meekin: So yeah.
• 13:06
  Neil Meekin: Thank you for letting me share that.
• 13:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: You're welcome.
• 13:09
  Tracy Cartwright: You're welcome.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I mean, when I skipped, um, Onto the ground in Sweden, I said to my friend, man, this, I feel like I'm at home and I, and this is 30 years ago, and I had no idea, you know, I'd never been there, never, um, I didn't do, we didn't even know about DNA back then, like not the way we do now, and, uh, yeah, so it really was no surprise, I felt like just going around places, just, there was something in me, I had some experience.
• 13:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Wild experiences in the medieval part of Stockholm, whether it was cellular memory or whether it was some psychic stuff.
• 13:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Hard to tell, it's a bit blended, but yeah, I get it.
• 13:53
  Tracy Cartwright: I know what you're saying, that guy in there.
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  Tracy Cartwright: And even for those of us who've been here for a few generations, right, there is, there is a tie to the land, because the land here is pretty special, right?
• 14:03
  Tracy Cartwright: And I'd say in Ireland as well and it's, I think Ireland is one of those places that really calls people as well.
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  Tracy Cartwright: I often have friends say, oh, you know, I'm Irish history and I really want to go there.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It's just calling me.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So.
• 14:18
  Neil Meekin: Well, in, in, in Western Europe or Eastern Europe and Western Europe, Ireland as a place and as a culture for me still retains.
• 14:29
  Neil Meekin: There, there's a magic and an, and an, and an ancient ness like if in, um, in more the east of islands, like the, the, the middle east of the country, there's a, there's a place called, or a county called Westmeath.
• 14:43
  Neil Meekin: And in Westmeath, there's a place called the Boyne Valley, the Bruner Boyne, and it's like the Boyne river that comes off the Irish sea.
• 14:49
  Neil Meekin: And along that river going inland, there's, um, there's Newgrange, which a lot of people will know of, which was like, uh, it's, it's an ancient, uh, cairn that aligns with the winter solstice and then further up you've got a magical place called loch cru and at loch cru you've got all these different hills with all these cairns now these cairns are 5 000 years old and they're still there.
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  Tracy Cartwright: What are
• 15:12
  Neil Meekin: they?
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  Neil Meekin: Cairns so c a i r n s so they're like stone Like, um, mounds that were burial chambers or they were aligned to wheels of the year where you can go and there's a magic there.
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  Neil Meekin: Now they're 5, 000 years old.
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  Neil Meekin: They're older than the pyramids and that's an island.
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  Neil Meekin: And so there's a lot of belief around obviously the fairy realm.
• 15:36
  Neil Meekin: Like there's a place in Ireland where they wanted to build a motorway and the Hawthorn tree, which is like the gateway to the fairy realm.
• 15:44
  Neil Meekin: There was a tree in the way.
• 15:45
  Neil Meekin: So they built the motorway around the tree.
• 15:47
  Neil Meekin: Okay.
• 15:48
  Neil Meekin: So they wouldn't have to cut it down because it would have been bad luck.
• 15:51
  Neil Meekin: Do you know what I mean?
• 15:51
  Neil Meekin: This is the 21st century in a Western European democracy.
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  Neil Meekin: So it's a, it's a very special place.
• 15:58
  Neil Meekin: Very special people.
• 15:59
  Neil Meekin: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, you're making me want to go there even more.
• 16:05
  Neil Meekin: Confirm yourself getting like passionate.
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  Neil Meekin: You need to go.
• 16:09
  Neil Meekin: You're continuing, you need to go.
• 16:11
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, absolutely.
• 16:13
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
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  Tracy Cartwright: How would you, um, how do you describe family constellations when you meet someone for the first time or someone says, oh, what are you doing now, Neil?
• 16:22
  Tracy Cartwright: What do you say?
• 16:24
  Tracy Cartwright: How do you describe it?
• 16:26
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, well, I say to people, I'm doing constellations.
• 16:28
  Neil Meekin: Are you doing astrology these days?
• 16:29
  Neil Meekin: No, no, it's not.
• 16:30
  Neil Meekin: It's, it's not astrology for me.
• 16:33
  Neil Meekin: I try and keep it as simple as possible because it's very new for a lot of people.
• 16:38
  Neil Meekin: Not many people have heard of a Tracy.
• 16:39
  Neil Meekin: So I would describe constellations is that it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a therapeutic method for bringing to conscious awareness.
• 16:49
  Neil Meekin: Hidden patterns, dynamics, traits, traumas, to bring it into conscious awareness so that can be transformed and healed for things that may not have started with you that go back many generations.
• 17:03
  Neil Meekin: So I keep it that simple.
• 17:05
  Neil Meekin: And then I open up the conversation from there and just let it land with people.
• 17:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Great.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
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  Tracy Cartwright: That's good.
• 17:12
  Tracy Cartwright: There's so many different descriptions for it.
• 17:14
  Tracy Cartwright: So, or angles that you can come in and just, I think you're right.
• 17:18
  Tracy Cartwright: You keep it simple.
• 17:19
  Tracy Cartwright: And that may, they might just glaze over and have no idea what you're talking about.
• 17:25
  Tracy Cartwright: But so, right, just change the subject or, wow, dive into that a little bit more.
• 17:32
  Neil Meekin: There's a lot of curiosity around, yeah, like the, in, in the UK, because that's the context, the main is that there's a, there seems to be a lot more literacy and an awareness of ancestors.
• 17:44
  Neil Meekin: And the importance of ancestors.
• 17:46
  Neil Meekin: Um, I don't know how it's come into the, into the culture, like, as, as a thing, but it's like, um, it's, it's, there's a growing awareness of it, which is really interesting.
• 17:58
  Neil Meekin: Like where patterns and maybe behaviors to just, they come from somewhere in the past and, you know, wanting to, to look at them.
• 18:05
  Neil Meekin: So is
• 18:06
  Tracy Cartwright: that a recent thing or?
• 18:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah,
• 18:08
  Neil Meekin: yeah, definitely.
• 18:09
  Neil Meekin: Definitely.
• 18:10
  Neil Meekin: Maybe I'm in an echo chamber, but like, I definitely, definitely In my context, I've seen a growing awareness of it, not constellations, the influence of ancestors on the current reality of where people are right now.
• 18:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Which could potentially be a constellation, couldn't it?
• 18:29
  Neil Meekin: 100%, yeah.
• 18:30
  Tracy Cartwright: In a way, in a more linear way.
• 18:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, yeah, well I guess that there are a lot of records, you know, like the English would have kept a lot of records of different things too, so there would be maybe.
• 18:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Histories that we don't have here in New Zealand, or we don't have access to.
• 18:50
  Tracy Cartwright: Is that the sort of thing you're referring to?
• 18:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Like people know things about, because it's recorded.
• 18:59
  Neil Meekin: Well, I think it's more, it's, well, there's, I tell you what, there's, there's programs on the TV where it's like long lost DNA.
• 19:06
  Neil Meekin: And so there's TV programs that are of an evening time that I cut on the main channels.
• 19:10
  Neil Meekin: Not that I don't watch TV, but I'm aware of the programs where people are looking for.
• 19:16
  Neil Meekin: Lost ancestors.
• 19:17
  Neil Meekin: And when they find them, like they're having these emotional transformational experiences.
• 19:20
  Neil Meekin: It's like, okay, so it's, it's that's, I'm getting, I'm answering my own question.
• 19:26
  Neil Meekin: It's come into popular culture through TV programs like that.
• 19:30
  Neil Meekin: And then like ancestry, like the app that you can get hold of.
• 19:34
  Neil Meekin: And like you say, the records in the UK, I'll show me, I went to visit my mom yesterday and on, on my ancestry, I can go back to the 15th century.
• 19:45
  Neil Meekin: on the English side because you've got the records.
• 19:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 19:49
  Neil Meekin: Ireland's different because the bloody, um, destroying bands.
• 19:54
  Neil Meekin: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Neil Meekin: The bands, a lot of the records.
• 19:55
  Neil Meekin: So yeah.
• 19:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 19:57
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 19:57
  Tracy Cartwright: I had, um, I'm sure I'm just fell into this.
• 20:01
  Tracy Cartwright: She won't mind.
• 20:02
  Tracy Cartwright: I won't say her name friend.
• 20:05
  Tracy Cartwright: And she came to one of my workshops and there was some, there was some deep struggles, struggles in her family, but.
• 20:12
  Tracy Cartwright: Children.
• 20:12
  Tracy Cartwright: So we did some work around, it was really quite a simple process around her Celtic and her Saxon ancestors.
• 20:21
  Tracy Cartwright: So I think it was Celtic, the different lineages.
• 20:25
  Tracy Cartwright: And they were still fighting.
• 20:27
  Tracy Cartwright: They were still fighting behind her.
• 20:28
  Tracy Cartwright: And we had to have some, like, bring the energy in and line it up and just say, this descendant here.
• 20:36
  Tracy Cartwright: And once they were able to be, and just.
• 20:39
  Tracy Cartwright: for her to be able to see and acknowledge both and that she came from both because there was also a part of her that wasn't really, only wanted to be connected to the Celtic side and saying yes to all of it.
• 20:52
  Tracy Cartwright: Someone in her family had been looking up her DNA for her because she had, there was a big gap in her understanding of her lineage and this person had access to millions of records through the Mormon Church, she was highly involved in that, could not find any information on her.
• 21:08
  Tracy Cartwright: So I think we'll see through her father's lineage.
• 21:10
  Tracy Cartwright: Two weeks after we did the Constellation, doors opened and she's, she's discovered, yeah, like centuries back.
• 21:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Like you.
• 21:19
  Tracy Cartwright: So it was like, coincidence, constellations opening the door.
• 21:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Who knows, right?
• 21:24
  Tracy Cartwright: But it happened.
• 21:25
  Tracy Cartwright: The field moved something.
• 21:28
  Tracy Cartwright: The invisible block came out of the way.
• 21:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, it's fascinating that.
• 21:32
  Neil Meekin: I want to touch on that with you if you don't mind.
• 21:34
  Neil Meekin: Um, you might have explored it with some of your other guests that you've had on.
• 21:39
  Neil Meekin: Um, because I know some people in my community may be not so familiar.
• 21:44
  Neil Meekin: But is that, is that aspect you've just talked about there when we do constellations?
• 21:49
  Neil Meekin: Where, how?
• 21:51
  Neil Meekin: Events in reality change, you know, and you say, you're sort of semi joking about, okay, well, maybe you're connected to the constellation, but like, there's been many experiences where when you do constellation work, sometimes like that night or like, you know, when in a few days or a couple of weeks afterwards, something that was completely blocked.
• 22:11
  Neil Meekin: Like a connection or a relationship, or there was a challenge in work, or there was, there was something happening, or there was, there was, there was, um, there was a silence around something, you couldn't find something, and bang,
• 22:23
  Tracy Cartwright: after the
• 22:23
  Neil Meekin: consolation, it's changed.
• 22:26
  Neil Meekin: So, I mean, I, I, I, I see that quite a bit, and especially doing workshops, when I'm holding space in workshops, I find like afterwards, there's like, there's, there's a few synchronicities that'll happen.
• 22:37
  Neil Meekin: So, And it's like a muscle that's almost like when you're doing the work, you're building up, you're pumping yourself up and like you're able to return, but then it sort of drops off a little bit over time.
• 22:45
  Neil Meekin: But like, what's your, what's your experience of that?
• 22:47
  Neil Meekin: Because, um, I don't get a chance to share that very often because it's, but it's very common in my experience.
• 22:53
  Neil Meekin: Like what about you?
• 22:54
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 22:54
  Tracy Cartwright: I've had some, I've had some pretty profound ones as well, like that experience there, but a woman who was adopted and after we did a beautiful piece of work and she said that It was a one on one.
• 23:06
  Tracy Cartwright: She hadn't told me at the beginning she was adopted, so we were working away, and then it was a little sticky, it just couldn't move, and then she said, Oh, I wonder if it's to do with my biological parents?
• 23:16
  Tracy Cartwright: And I was like, Oh, okay, let's go into that a bit more.
• 23:20
  Tracy Cartwright: So I energetically placed her biological parents in the field, and she just breathed out the first time, was able to relax.
• 23:28
  Tracy Cartwright: And go forward a couple of weeks and she rang me to tell me that she got a message from on Ancestry.
• 23:35
  Tracy Cartwright: She'd been on Ancestry for five years and hadn't had a match, not one match.
• 23:40
  Tracy Cartwright: And she got a message from someone who said, I'm your cousin on your maternal line.
• 23:46
  Tracy Cartwright: Your, oh, it makes me want to cry because I know this person quite well now.
• 23:51
  Tracy Cartwright: Your mother is my, is, um, is my aunt and she was adopted out.
• 23:56
  Tracy Cartwright: So she, so these.
• 23:58
  Tracy Cartwright: The pattern, and our grandmother was an orphan, so the synchronicities of it happening so soon afterwards, right, and then it felt like again, doors opened.
• 24:09
  Tracy Cartwright: Another one where a young woman, her and her siblings had been dropped off one day at their grandmother's place, never saw their mother again.
• 24:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Not, not in a motherly way, they saw her occasionally at things, but it was always the, that's your mother over there.
• 24:25
  Tracy Cartwright: She did a constellation with me and at seven o'clock the next morning she got a phone call from her biological mum who said, I'm so joyful and I can't stop thinking about you.
• 24:35
  Tracy Cartwright: And that just shifted everything.
• 24:39
  Tracy Cartwright: She didn't even come for that purpose.
• 24:40
  Tracy Cartwright: She'd come to talk, to look at her relationship with her brother.
• 24:44
  Tracy Cartwright: But that's what, you know, it opened that.
• 24:47
  Tracy Cartwright: So many times when things have been happening, I did a constellation a couple of weeks ago.
• 24:52
  Tracy Cartwright: I was, I don't get to do many cause I'm usually facilitating, but I was lucky enough to, and just as I sat down and my phone started going, I looked down and I realized it was my brother.
• 25:05
  Tracy Cartwright: And then in the constellation, she'd asked us to set up some figurines and unbeknown to me that, so I put my brothers in the field and the one that had rung me, I actually could feel there was an energetic thread in there, really connected to that.
• 25:19
  Tracy Cartwright: And then in The Constellation it came up through that as well.
• 25:22
  Tracy Cartwright: But, so how the field invites the energies of others if they're listening or if things come in, you know.
• 25:28
  Tracy Cartwright: Sometimes people are getting phone calls from their, someone that they haven't heard from for years.
• 25:35
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, so many interesting openings and, yeah.
• 25:40
  Tracy Cartwright: Asynchronous it is.
• 25:41
  Tracy Cartwright: It's fascinating.
• 25:42
  Tracy Cartwright: I
• 25:42
  Neil Meekin: want to smile at your face because it's, it's magical.
• 25:47
  Neil Meekin: Um, I don't think the scientific paradigms have really caught up, but really what's happening when we talk about morphogenetic fields and these energetic shifts, uh, it's, it's still considered very fringe.
• 25:58
  Neil Meekin: So,
• 25:59
  Tracy Cartwright: yeah.
• 26:01
  Tracy Cartwright: What about, what experiences have you had in that way?
• 26:04
  Tracy Cartwright: What, what have you noticed?
• 26:06
  Neil Meekin: It's very similar to you.
• 26:08
  Neil Meekin: I mean, it's not really sort of had any any different.
• 26:10
  Neil Meekin: It's, it's very specific situations whereby there's been a constellation where there's been a one to one and like or in a group setting.
• 26:18
  Neil Meekin: I find that the group setting seems to create more energy.
• 26:23
  Neil Meekin: Um, where people have got phone calls, you know, a couple of weeks after, like there's one particular client who is there who facilitated, um, I facilitated in a, in a, in a workshop and she just had a complete block with her brother.
• 26:38
  Neil Meekin: And within a week, like she was going around for the dinner and everything has just shifted.
• 26:43
  Neil Meekin: So.
• 26:44
  Neil Meekin: It's obviously not in that we're doing.
• 26:46
  Neil Meekin: We're like, we're, we're, we're space holders.
• 26:48
  Neil Meekin: We're just, we're just creating a container and holding a space for the client.
• 26:53
  Neil Meekin: To be able to, what I believe is, just open themselves up to this flow of love, as Bert would say.
• 26:58
  Neil Meekin: And it just, as it flows again, it just falls into alignment.
• 27:02
  Neil Meekin: Do you know what I mean?
• 27:03
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 27:03
  Tracy Cartwright: And, and just for a disclaimer for anyone who's listening, we're not saying we're opening workshops for you to, for you to, to, to guarantee to have this conversation with someone, right?
• 27:12
  Tracy Cartwright: Or this connection or the door open.
• 27:14
  Tracy Cartwright: But that is, seems to be the ripple effect of it.
• 27:18
  Tracy Cartwright: That we, that we see often, right?
• 27:21
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, it's interesting
• 27:23
  Neil Meekin: that language you use because that's the, that's the language I use when I'm speaking to, you know, when I'm, when I'm introducing the workshop and the work is it's like, uh, I say like by coming here and doing the work, it's like you're dropping a big pebble into the pool of life, you know, it's like there's these ripple effects that you're, you're not just doing, doing it for you, you're doing it for your family, your community, society.
• 27:46
  Neil Meekin: And so it's, it's a point I want to make actually, because for me, family constellations is how I. Or one of the ways I express my activism.
• 27:55
  Neil Meekin: So you might have someone who might be down in a parliament in Wellington with a plaque, like, you know, protesting, like for me, inner work and doing constellations work is my activism around creating change because what you're changing here and the ripple effects has a ripple effect where if you want to see, if you want to see mature, Masculine, like when we look at some of the leaders in the world now, I have to become the mature masculine in me as an individual.
• 28:23
  Neil Meekin: And then they're able to hold space so other people can do the same.
• 28:26
  Neil Meekin: And then just that ripple effect over time.
• 28:28
  Neil Meekin: That's how I express my activism.
• 28:30
  Neil Meekin: It's like true constellations work.
• 28:33
  Tracy Cartwright: I know exactly.
• 28:34
  Tracy Cartwright: I love that because as you were saying that, you know, that in your format, the mature masculine, I'm thinking how many prime ministers have we got that a five year old sitting on the Seats of power, you know, like they come from their wounds.
• 28:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 28:48
  Tracy Cartwright: Any forms of life and any of the things that we're doing, right.
• 28:51
  Tracy Cartwright: The more we can do that beautiful, um, work the mahi on ourselves.
• 28:57
  Tracy Cartwright: So within ourselves, it ripples out and it benefits and strengthens everything.
• 29:02
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, 100%.
• 29:04
  Neil Meekin: It's a real motivation for me when I see what's happening around the world, like geopolitically, it's like, it's just with the climate, you know, how things are happening there, it's like, okay, bring it back to me, like doing the work.
• 29:16
  Neil Meekin: And like, you're not, it's important not to judge the leaders, like that we see, like these five year old leaders.
• 29:22
  Neil Meekin: But, you know, they're, they're, they're, as you could argue, speaking in a very general sense, like you say, it's trauma, like, and, and, uh, there hasn't been a maturity.
• 29:30
  Neil Meekin: Um, you know, there's a lot of, a lot of, in, in Western culture, anyway, we're, we're really missing.
• 29:37
  Neil Meekin: our elders in a general sense, like within more traditional sort of cultures, there is that rites of passage where the boys then become the men, but we've lost that.
• 29:46
  Neil Meekin: And so then we get these leaders who I'm conscious not to go off on a political angle, but it's just, it is still connected back to the constellations because you can obviously through constellation where really build that maturity.
• 29:57
  Neil Meekin: And.
• 29:57
  Neil Meekin: Build that strong masculine, that strong feminine, you know, because we take our mother and our father fully into our hearts.
• 30:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 30:05
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 30:06
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, I'll bring it away from politics and bring it into nature.
• 30:09
  Tracy Cartwright: So Michael Quinn, he's a facilitator here, and he tells the story about how in Africa, in one of the big safaris, Parks, places, there was, it was too many elephants, so they took the young elephants, the young male elephants, and they put them into another park, thousands and thousands and thousands of kilometers away, because there was too many young bull elephants.
• 30:32
  Tracy Cartwright: Right.
• 30:33
  Tracy Cartwright: And then what happens, uh, within the next 12 months, two years, they start to notice things are happening.
• 30:38
  Tracy Cartwright: The rhinos are being mutilated.
• 30:42
  Tracy Cartwright: There are so many like other animals are being mauled and decimated and things are getting out of hand.
• 30:49
  Tracy Cartwright: These young bulls are getting out of hand and they realized there were no elders, there were no elder elephants.
• 30:55
  Tracy Cartwright: So they, they transported two, what do they call them?
• 30:58
  Tracy Cartwright: The, uh, the older elephants, the big bull elephants, you know, the elders, and within months it stopped.
• 31:05
  Tracy Cartwright: They had something to follow.
• 31:07
  Tracy Cartwright: They had no direction, there was no leadership, there was no knowing that guidance, that structure.
• 31:16
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, it's huge.
• 31:16
  Neil Meekin: It's a great, it's a great, it's a lovely example.
• 31:19
  Neil Meekin: It's a lovely example.
• 31:20
  Neil Meekin: Lovely, maybe not the wrong word, but it's a, it's a great example of, you know, in the animal kingdom, that playing house.
• 31:27
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, it's same, same, but different.
• 31:29
  Tracy Cartwright: Oh, absolutely.
• 31:32
  Tracy Cartwright: The wisdom, wisdom that is stored within our elders, right?
• 31:36
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm hmm.
• 31:37
  Tracy Cartwright: Absolutely.
• 31:39
  Tracy Cartwright: So, you're working with Barbara Morgan.
• 31:41
  Tracy Cartwright: You want to share a little bit about Anything around that for those who don't know Barbara Morgan, and she's not the founder, but she's one of the people that hold the knowing field, which is a journal, which has been a huge resource.
• 31:57
  Tracy Cartwright: She did.
• 31:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 31:58
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, I've connected through here with, in some of her writings as well.
• 32:02
  Tracy Cartwright: She's created some beautiful books.
• 32:04
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 32:04
  Tracy Cartwright: And, and a great leader in the work, right?
• 32:07
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 32:08
  Tracy Cartwright: Well,
• 32:08
  Neil Meekin: Barbara is one of the elders like Barbara.
• 32:11
  Neil Meekin: I don't know exactly.
• 32:13
  Neil Meekin: It is maybe 74.
• 32:16
  Neil Meekin: Something like that, but, but she's absolute dynamite, you know, and we're on a, we're on an advanced training now, and there's, I think there's 24 of us, you know, and she's holding that, I mean, in Ireland every year they do constellations camp, I mean, like there's a big field, and we've been there for five days, and Barbara's like, she, she gets invited over, and she, we're in a big yurt, and there's Barbara, and there's 50 people, and she can just, Machau constellations all day every day and not even break a sweat.
• 32:47
  Neil Meekin: She is just an absolute powerhouse.
• 32:50
  Neil Meekin: And you know, to get the opportunity to train with her, Tracy was really important.
• 32:54
  Neil Meekin: So Roshim was great in Ireland.
• 32:57
  Neil Meekin: That was a very particular theme, um, around that for me, obviously with my ancestry.
• 33:02
  Neil Meekin: But then I wanted to get the opportunity to train with Barbara because Barbara I train with Bert, and obviously there's an old known field, and I got to be, I got to be apprentice to her, so I get like, um, extra time with her and just to learn from, from that.
• 33:17
  Neil Meekin: Again, just I've got a massive respect for elders.
• 33:20
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, she's, she's incredible.
• 33:22
  Neil Meekin: Just that with the confidentiality account, obviously what goes on in the trainings, but like the, what she can hold, so I've practiced with different facilitators.
• 33:32
  Neil Meekin: And different people have different styles.
• 33:34
  Neil Meekin: So like Stefan Hausner, as you know, has a very particular way.
• 33:38
  Neil Meekin: Lesley Nipps, who's like obviously headlining at the festival, at the, at the, um, the Constellations Intensive in New Zealand, she's got a particular way.
• 33:48
  Neil Meekin: But Barbara, she's just got a way of just going that extra level of depth.
• 33:54
  Tracy Cartwright: But she,
• 33:54
  Neil Meekin: she, she goes into what I say is like, she really goes into the shit.
• 34:00
  Neil Meekin: Which a lot of people will sort of maybe bypass because it's a little bit too much but as she really gets in there into the shadows, yeah, takes you through it and it's the real real dirty work you know at times and I love that because that's where a lot of the A lot of the gems are.
• 34:17
  Neil Meekin: So I really, I mean there's nice constellations as well, but she can really hold the depths of, of the work and the space.
• 34:27
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, it's a real privilege.
• 34:29
  Neil Meekin: I'm learning so much.
• 34:31
  Tracy Cartwright: Beautiful.
• 34:32
  Neil Meekin: Yeah.
• 34:33
  Neil Meekin: Thank you.
• 34:34
  Tracy Cartwright: The more you're sharing about Ireland, it reminds me of a piece of work I did.
• 34:40
  Tracy Cartwright: I was with ISCA and the International Systemic Constellation Association and we had a gathering in the Australasian side of things, uh, New Zealand and Australia, we, we combined and did it, did some work together and one of the exercises that I put together was meeting an ancestor from their lands, you know, the, so if you know, and if you don't know your ancestry, you could just say, um, I would like to meet an ancestor who's not from where I am now.
• 35:11
  Tracy Cartwright: But I think we had three, I had my, my Scottish, my Hawaiian and my Scandinavian, I popped them into the field, invited others to represent, just hold space, you know, there's no, don't need to go into the trauma, it wasn't about that, it was just about allowing them, one of them, In, because obviously there's gonna be millions from each of those lines.
• 35:34
  Tracy Cartwright: Mm-hmm.
• 35:36
  Tracy Cartwright: And it was pretty phenomenal just being in that presence, that energy, because when others represent, you know, there is that sense that you know that you're, you still know that you're yourself, but you also know that there is something else there as well.
• 35:51
  Tracy Cartwright: And you're holding.
• 35:52
  Tracy Cartwright: And so some of the information that came through, yeah, was very, um, poignant and some of it was a little confusing, but has now become clearer.
• 36:04
  Tracy Cartwright: And it was, it was a beautiful exercise to have, you know, just opening the field of awareness.
• 36:09
  Tracy Cartwright: If you want to use that intuitive muscle and that constellation experience.
• 36:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah.
• 36:14
  Tracy Cartwright: That's what I love.
• 36:15
  Tracy Cartwright: Like exercises are now in my workshops so that everybody gets to experience something.
• 36:19
  Tracy Cartwright: But that was pretty special.
• 36:21
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, I love what you've done there.
• 36:22
  Neil Meekin: Like you, you talked before about Bear telling it about this, like, there's no dogma where there's just a, I can almost imagine you Tracy, like, even just like in the spirit of the moment, you can build it, you'll, you'll, something will come through you quite intuitively, like, like a, like an exercise and like, there isn't that, that rigidness in it that you can just, okay, well, let's set up something for like your ancestral lands and it just, what can come through that is like, it's, it's, it's profound, isn't it?
• 36:49
  Tracy Cartwright: Okay.
• 36:50
  Tracy Cartwright: People,
• 36:50
  Neil Meekin: people don't realize when they come in, like when, uh, when they step into representation for something and all of a sudden, like, uh, the energy changes, they start getting this information through.
• 37:01
  Neil Meekin: It's like, Whoa, what's going on?
• 37:03
  Neil Meekin: Like it's, it's really palpable.
• 37:05
  Neil Meekin: It's something to be, to be experienced.
• 37:07
  Neil Meekin: Yeah.
• 37:08
  Neil Meekin: But yeah, I really respect.
• 37:09
  Neil Meekin: Yeah.
• 37:10
  Neil Meekin: Yeah.
• 37:10
  Neil Meekin: I can't wait to do your workshop by the way.
• 37:12
  Neil Meekin: What are you doing?
• 37:14
  Tracy Cartwright: Looking forward to it.
• 37:15
  Tracy Cartwright: We've got a bit planned, so that's cool.
• 37:17
  Tracy Cartwright: Can't wait.
• 37:18
  Tracy Cartwright: Getting it all together.
• 37:19
  Tracy Cartwright: It's only five weeks away now.
• 37:21
  Neil Meekin: I know, I'm excited.
• 37:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Me too, me too.
• 37:26
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, it feels like a real honour to be able to do this for the community in New Zealand, you know, and to spread the word so that more and more people start talking about it, sharing it, and then the ripple effects that people benefit from this work.
• 37:40
  Tracy Cartwright: I think that's The best things for me, it's like, is that ripple effect as well, you know, like, you know, that when you work with someone and, and they're able to move or look at the things that there is going to ripple out to others, others will receive them differently or, and, or it, it moves things within the family system.
• 38:05
  Tracy Cartwright: I saw that my first one, I saw that my first and my second constellation that I ever did, the shifts for my siblings.
• 38:13
  Tracy Cartwright: It wasn't my intention to do the work for them, but I saw the shifts that they, that happened around them and for them.
• 38:20
  Tracy Cartwright: So,
• 38:21
  Neil Meekin: yeah, sometimes it's, uh, it's just that one person in the family system.
• 38:25
  Neil Meekin: Hey, uh, don't want to call it the black sheep, but like, you know, there's, there's always the, the one in the family who does the work.
• 38:33
  Tracy Cartwright: The psychedelic sheep, maybe?
• 38:38
  Tracy Cartwright: Many different names, right?
• 38:39
  Tracy Cartwright: We have many different names.
• 38:45
  Tracy Cartwright: Yeah, they're usually the ones doing the most work.
• 38:47
  Tracy Cartwright: Well, it's been great to talk to you.
• 38:56
  Tracy Cartwright: Is there anything else that you'd like to share?
• 38:57
  Tracy Cartwright: How would people find you?
• 39:00
  Tracy Cartwright: Um, I know I'm going to put information on here, but sometimes it's people are audible and audio, and they like to just hear it.
• 39:07
  Tracy Cartwright: If they wanted to connect with you, do you do work online?
• 39:10
  Neil Meekin: I do.
• 39:11
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, I am.
• 39:12
  Neil Meekin: I'm doing more work online now.
• 39:14
  Neil Meekin: It's, um, so you can find me mainly on Instagram and that's where I post most of my content.
• 39:21
  Neil Meekin: So it's my name, Neil Meakin, and it's at the pool of life.
• 39:25
  Neil Meekin: Um, I've got a website at neilmeakin.
• 39:28
  Neil Meekin: com and the pool of life.
• 39:30
  Neil Meekin: People often ask me what, where that name comes from.
• 39:33
  Neil Meekin: So there's a famous psychologist called Carl Jung.
• 39:35
  Neil Meekin: J U N G. And in his book, Memories, Dreams and Reflections, which is like a biography, he had a dream about Liverpool.
• 39:42
  Neil Meekin: And he'd never actually been there, but it's actually in the book.
• 39:45
  Neil Meekin: And, um, Basically, he said that Liverpool is the pool of life and there was this, this, this profound dream that he had and there's, um, there's a, there's a boast.
• 39:53
  Neil Meekin: So where the Beatles used to play in Liverpool, it's called Matthew Street.
• 39:57
  Neil Meekin: There's a boast of Carl Jung's head saying Liverpool is the pool of life.
• 40:00
  Neil Meekin: So it's, the business is named after that.
• 40:03
  Neil Meekin: Yeah.
• 40:04
  Neil Meekin: About Carl Jung's dream about Liverpool, but that's where you can find me mainly on Instagram.
• 40:08
  Neil Meekin: But I actually work online.
• 40:10
  Neil Meekin: Um, if you want to come to Liverpool, it might be a long way for people in New Zealand, but, um, they'll get to experience me at the, um, At the Constellations Intensive, so there we go.
• 40:21
  Neil Meekin: That's where you can find me.
• 40:22
  Tracy Cartwright: Fantastic.
• 40:23
  Tracy Cartwright: Awesome.
• 40:24
  Tracy Cartwright: Thank you so much.
• 40:26
  Neil Meekin: Thank you.
• 40:26
  Tracy Cartwright: It's been a pleasure and I can't wait to meet you in person.
• 40:30
  Neil Meekin: Yeah, I can't wait and bring you your musical instruments, whatever that is.
• 40:34
  Tracy Cartwright: It's on its way.
• 40:35
  Tracy Cartwright: I got a notification.
• 40:36
  Tracy Cartwright: It's on its way.
• 40:37
  Tracy Cartwright: That'll be a treat for everyone.
• 40:39
  Tracy Cartwright: I'm going to do a sound bath.
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  Tracy Cartwright: It was decided last night that I'd do a sound bath and I'll get to play my new instrument that will be hand delivered by me also.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Very grateful for that.
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  Tracy Cartwright: There
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  Neil Meekin: you go.
• 40:51
  Neil Meekin: This
• 40:51
  Tracy Cartwright: postage is ridiculous, but that's another story, right?
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  Neil Meekin: And delivered, yeah, by, by a Liverpoolian all the way to New Zealand.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Yay, that's so cool.
• 41:02
  Neil Meekin: Thank you so much.
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  Neil Meekin: You want to say thanks for the invite onto the podcast.
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  Neil Meekin: And yeah, I'm really grateful and excited to come and yeah, facilitate away shopper at the intensive in Rotorua in April.
• 41:14
  Neil Meekin: So thank you.
• 41:15
  Tracy Cartwright: You're welcome.
• 41:16
  Tracy Cartwright: My pleasure.
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  Tracy Cartwright: Thank you for listening.
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  Tracy Cartwright: So until next time, be kind to yourself and have fun doing it.