Latest / Going The Distance: The Rocky Series Podcast / Rocky (Episode 7) - Apollo, Adrian, and Guts in the Ring
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Plan ahead. 00:49 --> 01:17 Pre-fight, they're prepping themselves. 01:17 --> 01:20 They're putting that stuff on their nose, Vaseline on their eyes. 01:21 --> 01:22 Is that to stop your nose from bleeding? 01:22 --> 01:23 Is that what that is? 01:23 --> 01:26 My understanding would be, and I'm not a boxer, believe it or not, Kyle, 01:26 --> 01:28 but my understanding is to clear the airway. 01:28 --> 01:30 Yeah, it's to clear the airway because they've got the mouth guards in their mouth. 01:30 --> 01:31 I think it's to help them breathe. 01:32 --> 01:34 Oh, you have to breathe through your nose. 01:34 --> 01:34 Okay. 01:35 --> 01:35 That makes sense. 01:36 --> 01:36 Because when they're fighting. 01:37 --> 01:39 It seems to be very uncomfortable putting that in. 01:39 --> 01:39 Yeah. 01:39 --> 01:40 You can hear them. 01:41 --> 01:43 So, again, if anyone wants to correct us on that, please do. 01:43 --> 01:46 But my understanding would be it's to clear, because they're always punching. 01:46 --> 01:49 They're always breathing through their nose when they're doing that. 01:50 --> 01:51 They're not doing it through their mouth. 01:51 --> 01:56 I suspect they keep their mouth closed a lot during the fight because you want your jaw open. 01:57 --> 01:57 Right, of course. 01:58 --> 01:58 Yeah. 01:59 --> 02:03 And the Vaseline for the eyes and for the face, of course, is to let the gloves slide off the face. 02:03 --> 02:08 Yeah, I mentioned in another episode I got punched in the face with the boxing you're on, 02:08 --> 02:09 just the kind of sparring. 02:10 --> 02:11 Oh, I love listening to that. 02:12 --> 02:12 Oh, okay. 02:12 --> 02:12 You heard that. 02:13 --> 02:13 Yeah. 02:13 --> 02:15 And I still got the scar. 02:15 --> 02:16 It just ripped my skin open. 02:16 --> 02:18 It just barely took anything. 02:19 --> 02:22 I boxed with my dad on my 17th birthday. 02:22 --> 02:23 Okay. 02:24 --> 02:25 And they're like inflatable gloves. 02:26 --> 02:26 Okay. 02:26 --> 02:27 All my friends are there. 02:28 --> 02:31 And I punched my dad in the face as hard as I could. 02:31 --> 02:32 Wow. 02:32 --> 02:36 And it popped the glove and like split his eye open. 02:37 --> 02:37 Wow. 02:37 --> 02:39 I think it was like what you were saying, like the friction. 02:39 --> 02:41 He had to get like four stitches in his eye. 02:42 --> 02:45 My dad's a cool guy, so he didn't even get mad at me for it. 02:45 --> 02:49 But yeah, without that Vaseline there, like your face opens up pretty easy. 02:50 --> 02:52 It's not like I was as strong as those guys, right? 02:52 --> 02:53 Yeah. 02:53 --> 02:57 Yeah, I guess it doesn't take much to puncture the skin and Vaseline it is. 02:58 --> 02:58 Okay. 02:59 --> 03:02 My mom listens to this podcast, so we'll probably be editing some of the Vaseline jokes out. 03:03 --> 03:03 I don't know. 03:03 --> 03:04 What's the joke about though? 03:05 --> 03:05 Yeah. 03:06 --> 03:06 All right. 03:07 --> 03:09 One other thing, guys. 03:09 --> 03:10 I'll Google it, guys. 03:10 --> 03:14 When I was a kid, when I was watching this, kind of in the next scene where you see Rocky 03:14 --> 03:15 praying in the corner. 03:15 --> 03:16 Yeah. 03:16 --> 03:18 And you see Apollo just sitting there. 03:19 --> 03:23 I don't know why when I was younger, I thought for some reason like they were in the same room 03:23 --> 03:23 together. 03:23 --> 03:26 Oh, not understanding the edit between back and forth. 03:26 --> 03:26 Yeah. 03:27 --> 03:27 Yeah. 03:28 --> 03:31 I don't know if like you guys, it doesn't sound like you guys fell for that, but. 03:31 --> 03:32 No. 03:33 --> 03:34 You guys are smarter than me. 03:35 --> 03:37 Well, that's not true either, but. 03:37 --> 03:38 I'm a simpleton. 03:38 --> 03:42 I just saw what they presented and I never even assumed they were in the same room. 03:42 --> 03:42 No. 03:43 --> 03:45 It looked like Apollo was looking at him. 03:45 --> 03:46 Oh, I see. 03:46 --> 03:47 But you know what? 03:47 --> 03:49 He probably was visualizing him and his opponent. 03:49 --> 03:52 So in a weird way, they were together. 03:52 --> 03:54 Apollo seems really serious when they're getting him ready, right? 03:55 --> 03:56 He's taking this part seriously. 03:57 --> 03:58 This is his pre-fight ritual, right? 03:59 --> 04:02 He knows he's going to destroy, in his mind, he's going to destroy this bum. 04:03 --> 04:05 But he's also got his own pride. 04:05 --> 04:07 He doesn't want to get surprised. 04:07 --> 04:10 He doesn't want this guy to make fun or make him look silly. 04:10 --> 04:13 He's going to go in there and show this bum who's boss. 04:14 --> 04:15 He is the champion for a reason. 04:16 --> 04:17 Apollo is the champion. 04:17 --> 04:19 And he's going to take any fight in the ring seriously. 04:20 --> 04:23 We now see the robe is on Rocky. 04:24 --> 04:25 How much did he get? 04:25 --> 04:27 Can you explain the deal that was made again? 04:27 --> 04:28 Oh, sure. 04:28 --> 04:33 So, Pauly, who I admire actually his business prowess here. 04:34 --> 04:37 Like, this kind of shows that Pauly's kind of intelligent. 04:37 --> 04:39 He found an opportunity to make some money here. 04:40 --> 04:43 The meatpacking company he works for, Shamrock Meats, 04:44 --> 04:45 Pauly would have gone to them and said, 04:45 --> 04:48 Hey, I know this guy who's going to be fighting. 04:48 --> 04:50 Everyone's going to be watching this fight. 04:50 --> 04:53 We're going to put your logo on the back of the rope. 04:54 --> 04:56 And so, since Pauly put this deal together, 04:56 --> 05:03 he was paid $3,000, which would be about, like, $10,000 or maybe a little bit more now. 05:04 --> 05:09 Pauly's deal with Rocky on this, you know, you'd think they'd go 50-50 or something, 05:09 --> 05:14 but Rocky says, Pauly gets $3,000, I get the robe. 05:15 --> 05:17 And then Mick's like, shrewd. 05:17 --> 05:19 I love that. 05:20 --> 05:22 I love the shrewd on Mickie's part. 05:23 --> 05:24 Hey, what the hell is that? 05:25 --> 05:27 I trained you to be a fighter and not a billboard. 05:27 --> 05:28 I'm doing it for a friend. 05:28 --> 05:29 What do you get out of it? 05:30 --> 05:32 Pauly gets $3,000, I get the robe. 05:32 --> 05:33 Shrewd. 05:34 --> 05:34 Fight of their life. 05:35 --> 05:39 They're talking about the money that's been made on the Shamrock Meat deal on the robe. 05:39 --> 05:41 Yeah, well, that's the thing. 05:41 --> 05:45 Like, Rocky, you know, he was, like I said, he was asking Adrian, like, oh, is this robe too baggy? 05:45 --> 05:48 I had to go now, but don't you leave town, huh? 05:50 --> 05:51 Wish me luck. 05:51 --> 05:51 I'm going to need it. 05:53 --> 05:54 Good luck. 05:55 --> 05:58 Say Adrian, you don't think this robe is too baggy, you know? 05:59 --> 05:59 Good luck. 06:00 --> 06:01 Don't leave town. 06:01 --> 06:06 Like, maybe that's his way of, like, kind of changing the subject or trying to get some brevity in there. 06:07 --> 06:07 Oh, yeah. 06:07 --> 06:10 I don't know much about boxing in the 70s. 06:10 --> 06:13 Like, I watch all the big fights, but nowadays there's a lot more of that. 06:13 --> 06:18 Like, I've actually seen fighters with, like, advertisements on their backs during the fight. 06:18 --> 06:20 Now, usually that's lower level fighters, mind you. 06:21 --> 06:22 GoldenPalace.com. 06:22 --> 06:23 Yeah, yeah. 06:23 --> 06:28 So, like, I don't think that was really around much in the 70s, and I could be wrong there. 06:28 --> 06:31 This was kind of like a foreshadowing of things to come. 06:31 --> 06:35 Well, the Shamrock Meets was definitely its own character throughout the movies. 06:35 --> 06:38 The announcers brought up Shamrock Meets when Rocky entered the ring. 06:38 --> 06:38 Do you recall that? 06:39 --> 06:41 Rocky Balboa climbing into the ring now. 06:42 --> 06:44 The Italian stallion. 06:44 --> 06:46 Some meat sign on the back of his robe there. 06:46 --> 06:47 Have you seen what that was? 06:48 --> 06:48 Shamrock Meets. 06:49 --> 06:49 Shamrock Meets. 06:50 --> 06:50 Yeah, yeah. 06:51 --> 06:52 There's a meat sign on his back. 06:53 --> 06:54 Shamrock Meat Company. 06:54 --> 06:55 So, it worked. 06:55 --> 06:57 Which is exactly what that was for. 06:57 --> 06:59 Shamrock got their three grand worth out of that. 07:00 --> 07:03 Yeah, because they had the millions of people listening and are watching on TV. 07:04 --> 07:06 Broadcasters dropped the name, Shamrock Meets. 07:06 --> 07:07 So, it worked. 07:07 --> 07:09 And 40 years later, we're still talking about it. 07:09 --> 07:14 And we should probably give a shout out to the real Shamrock Meets in Shamrock, Texas. 07:14 --> 07:16 Well, why don't we do a free shout out to Shamrock Meets? 07:16 --> 07:18 Because we actually do have a couple of listeners from Texas. 07:18 --> 07:18 Yeah. 07:18 --> 07:21 Go to 116 North Main Street, Shamrock, Texas. 07:22 --> 07:25 I will be sending them an invoice just in case they're willing to pay. 07:26 --> 07:27 They're a meat wholesaler. 07:27 --> 07:30 By the way, guys, we gave you a show on the podcast. 07:30 --> 07:30 It's only fair. 07:30 --> 07:32 You take a few hundred bucks up our way. 07:32 --> 07:33 And we get to keep the podcast. 07:34 --> 07:35 Yeah, exactly. 07:36 --> 07:37 Yeah, I'll get the money. 07:37 --> 07:38 You guys can... 07:39 --> 07:40 I'm looking at... 07:40 --> 07:42 I'm just going to have some coupons or something like that. 07:42 --> 07:45 Looks like a nice part of town. 07:45 --> 07:46 Check it out. 07:46 --> 07:48 You can do a little Google Street View. 07:48 --> 07:51 And there's a red truck in town. 07:51 --> 07:52 Oh, this looks all right. 07:52 --> 07:54 There's four other cars there. 07:54 --> 07:54 All right. 07:55 --> 07:56 It might be early part of the morning. 07:56 --> 07:57 So now we've entered the ring. 07:58 --> 08:00 The grand entrance of Apollo Creed. 08:00 --> 08:03 Is that the world heavyweight champion, Apollo Creed? 08:03 --> 08:06 You know, he's in a boat, riding in a boat. 08:06 --> 08:08 Is he supposed to be George Washington? 08:08 --> 08:09 Obviously so. 08:09 --> 08:11 He's got the hat on, the whole shot. 08:11 --> 08:11 Look at that. 08:11 --> 08:12 Well, it's been confirmed. 08:13 --> 08:17 The world champion, Apollo Creed, is doing an invitation to George Washington. 08:19 --> 08:20 He's throwing money. 08:21 --> 08:21 I don't know. 08:21 --> 08:25 Remember when we were flying here, we were talking about George Washington and throwing a dollar? 08:25 --> 08:39 Dressed up as George Washington crossing the, I guess, crossing the Delaware. 08:40 --> 08:40 Yeah. 08:40 --> 08:43 And he has the Marine Corps anthem on in the background. 08:44 --> 08:44 Yeah. 08:44 --> 08:45 What's the name of that song? 08:45 --> 08:47 Oh, I can't remember. 08:48 --> 08:48 Okay. 08:48 --> 08:50 You hear that in later fights. 08:50 --> 08:50 Yeah. 08:51 --> 08:51 That will not be named. 08:52 --> 08:52 Yeah. 08:53 --> 08:54 Or later fight, I should say. 08:54 --> 08:59 So he comes in and he's throwing dollar bills, dollar coins at the crowd. 08:59 --> 08:59 Yeah. 09:00 --> 09:00 Yeah. 09:00 --> 09:01 Silver dollars. 09:01 --> 09:04 And he throws his wig into the crowd as well. 09:04 --> 09:06 Like he has a wig with a hat. 09:06 --> 09:09 Uncle Sam and himself. 09:09 --> 09:10 All of you. 09:10 --> 09:11 All of you. 09:12 --> 09:12 All of you. 09:12 --> 09:13 All of you. 09:13 --> 09:13 All of you. 09:14 --> 09:15 He looks like a big flag. 09:18 --> 09:19 Is he talking to me? 09:20 --> 09:21 He's talking to you. 09:21 --> 09:22 Is he talking to me? 09:22 --> 09:22 Let him talk. 09:23 --> 09:23 He can talk. 09:23 --> 09:25 I'm not a soldier. 09:25 --> 09:29 You guys talked about the episodes that haven't come out yet. 09:29 --> 09:34 About the comparison between Apollo Creed and Muhammad Ali. 09:35 --> 09:35 No, we haven't. 09:36 --> 09:36 Okay. 09:36 --> 09:37 I guess we're doing it. 09:37 --> 09:43 We just mentioned that he was, the Apollo Creed character was a mixture of Mike Tyson and Muhammad Ali. 09:44 --> 09:46 Just in his ferociousness and his ability to fight. 09:46 --> 09:48 Is more Muhammad Ali. 09:48 --> 09:51 He definitely draws inspiration for the Muhammad Ali bravado. 09:52 --> 09:52 Yeah, exactly. 09:53 --> 09:53 Yeah. 09:53 --> 09:55 It's, there's just real. 09:55 --> 10:00 And I'll mention later, there's a couple of things he does in the fight specifically that are very Muhammad Ali. 10:00 --> 10:04 He enters the ring and he points at Rocky and what's he saying? 10:04 --> 10:05 I want you. 10:05 --> 10:06 I want you. 10:06 --> 10:07 And Rocky does. 10:07 --> 10:08 I want the stallion. 10:08 --> 10:10 And Rocky turns to Mickey. 10:10 --> 10:10 Is he talking to me? 10:11 --> 10:12 And Mickey goes, he's talking to you. 10:12 --> 10:13 He's talking to me. 10:13 --> 10:15 Now, was taxi driver out yet? 10:16 --> 10:20 No, they came out at the same time because they were both up Oscars for the same year. 10:20 --> 10:20 That's interesting. 10:20 --> 10:22 They both had the same line. 10:23 --> 10:27 Of course, the taxi driver line was, are you talking to me in the mirror? 10:27 --> 10:31 And then Rocky says to Apollo or says to Mickey, is he talking to me? 10:31 --> 10:32 So you got two best picture. 10:33 --> 10:35 This is both the East Coast, same time. 10:35 --> 10:37 They're all about the same age. 10:37 --> 10:39 So perhaps this is part of the lingo at the time. 10:39 --> 10:39 Yeah. 10:40 --> 10:40 Are you talking to me? 10:41 --> 10:43 And it just, you just see it in pop culture through that way. 10:43 --> 10:43 Yeah. 10:44 --> 10:44 Interesting. 10:44 --> 10:45 It is funny. 10:45 --> 10:50 One thing I noticed when I was watching it right before the podcast is Apollo's trainer, 10:50 --> 10:53 Tony, he's very serious the whole time. 10:53 --> 10:54 May he rest in peace. 10:54 --> 10:54 Yeah. 10:54 --> 10:57 That was really sad to hear that when he passed away. 10:58 --> 11:02 He was actually a boxer too, which I found was interesting. 11:02 --> 11:02 Oh, cool. 11:03 --> 11:03 Yeah. 11:03 --> 11:05 And he did some prison time also. 11:05 --> 11:06 Really turned his life around. 11:06 --> 11:09 Like Apollo almost seems like in the ring, almost childlike. 11:10 --> 11:12 Like he's really almost hyperactive or something like that. 11:13 --> 11:13 Right. 11:13 --> 11:19 And you can see that Tony is like actively trying to control him and hold him back and 11:19 --> 11:20 make him behave. 11:20 --> 11:21 Yeah. 11:21 --> 11:21 Good point. 11:21 --> 11:24 Like, hey, there's like an actual boxing match coming up. 11:24 --> 11:25 Because I think Tony's kind of figured out. 11:26 --> 11:30 Like you saw from the scene when Tony was watching Rocky on TV and also seeing how Apollo wasn't 11:30 --> 11:31 taking it seriously. 11:32 --> 11:36 He's really worried at this point that something bad's going to happen. 11:36 --> 11:37 No, that's a great point. 11:37 --> 11:43 Because during the match, Tony says to Apollo, don't try to knock him out. 11:44 --> 11:45 Don't go toe to toe to this guy. 11:46 --> 11:49 For whatever reason, this guy is not quitting. 11:49 --> 11:50 And he's dangerous. 11:50 --> 11:51 He's dangerous for you. 11:52 --> 11:52 And... 11:52 --> 11:53 Oh, I think that's the second movie. 11:53 --> 11:54 No, sorry. 11:54 --> 11:55 He mentions the word dangerous. 11:55 --> 12:00 But no, in the first movie, I swear he tells him, don't try to knock him out in the final 12:00 --> 12:00 round. 12:00 --> 12:01 No, no. 12:01 --> 12:03 He says, quit shocking and jiving. 12:03 --> 12:03 Right. 12:03 --> 12:04 And stick and move. 12:04 --> 12:05 Stay out of his... 12:05 --> 12:06 Don't goof off in the ring. 12:07 --> 12:07 Yeah. 12:08 --> 12:09 Shucking and jiving. 12:09 --> 12:09 I love that. 12:09 --> 12:10 Yeah. 12:10 --> 12:14 If I had a dollar for every single time somebody said that to me. 12:15 --> 12:15 You'd have nothing. 12:19 --> 12:20 No more shucking and jiving. 12:20 --> 12:21 So let's move into the fight. 12:21 --> 12:22 Ding, ding. 12:22 --> 12:23 Let's go into the fight. 12:23 --> 12:24 So who rang the bell? 12:25 --> 12:25 Mr. Stallone. 12:26 --> 12:26 That's right. 12:27 --> 12:29 Frank Stallone Sr. rang the bell ringside. 12:30 --> 12:32 Before we get in the fight, I wanted to bring up something. 12:33 --> 12:33 Absolutely. 12:34 --> 12:36 Now, this is supposed to be the bicentennial fight, correct? 12:37 --> 12:38 That's what it was labeled as, yeah. 12:39 --> 12:39 Yeah. 12:39 --> 12:40 That's why it's in Philadelphia. 12:41 --> 12:42 The thing is, it's weird. 12:42 --> 12:45 It's like New Year's Eve, which I never understood. 12:45 --> 12:46 Or New Year's Day or whatever. 12:47 --> 12:50 The bicentennial, of course, is July 4th. 12:51 --> 12:51 Yeah. 12:51 --> 12:54 I found, because he mentioned on our country's birthday. 12:55 --> 12:55 You're kind of trying. 12:56 --> 13:00 Just because it turns to 1976 doesn't mean, to me, that's one of those things I just never got. 13:01 --> 13:02 I agree with you. 13:02 --> 13:08 And I've never Googled it to see what the relationship was between the bicentennial, the year, the date. 13:09 --> 13:10 Was it a Philadelphia thing? 13:10 --> 13:14 But he mentions the greatest day in our country's birthday or something like that. 13:14 --> 13:17 So maybe the signing of independence was done or whatever. 13:17 --> 13:20 Something must have happened around that time other than just July 4th. 13:20 --> 13:21 But something to look into. 13:21 --> 13:26 In case there's people that are listening that don't know this, the three of us are Canadians. 13:26 --> 13:26 Oh, yes. 13:26 --> 13:27 We are all Canadian. 13:28 --> 13:29 You do to boot it. 13:29 --> 13:29 Yeah. 13:29 --> 13:34 So there's probably a reason why we don't know American politics like Americans might. 13:34 --> 13:35 Yeah. 13:35 --> 13:41 So before you send out the hate mail to our Facebook page, I'll tell you, relax. 13:43 --> 13:45 We do have a bunch of Canadians. 13:45 --> 13:46 Well, yeah. 13:46 --> 13:48 Half of our listeners are from Canada anyways. 13:48 --> 13:50 But we got listeners from Texas. 13:50 --> 13:51 We got listeners in California. 13:52 --> 13:52 We don't want to. 13:53 --> 13:53 All right. 13:53 --> 13:54 We don't want to. 13:54 --> 13:54 Missouri. 13:55 --> 13:55 Missouri. 13:55 --> 13:56 How do you say that? 13:56 --> 13:57 I think it's Missouri. 13:58 --> 13:58 Missouri. 13:58 --> 13:58 Missouri. 13:58 --> 13:58 Yeah. 13:59 --> 13:59 Really? 13:59 --> 14:03 We have some Australians and a couple of Mexicans too. 14:03 --> 14:04 But hey, Mexico. 14:04 --> 14:05 Oh, wow. 14:06 --> 14:06 China. 14:06 --> 14:07 We just got our first China hit. 14:08 --> 14:14 Well, you know, this shows the global appeal of either Rocky or Ryan and Ruben. 14:14 --> 14:15 It's probably... 14:15 --> 14:16 Obviously, you guys. 14:16 --> 14:17 Oh, Kyle. 14:17 --> 14:18 Come on now. 14:18 --> 14:21 You trying to get a permanent gig as guest host? 14:21 --> 14:22 Also, I'll shout out to... 14:22 --> 14:24 Yeah, so I'm angling for that, obviously. 14:25 --> 14:27 I'm trying to impress as much as I can. 14:27 --> 14:28 It's just working, unfortunately. 14:28 --> 14:32 I don't think I'll be here by episode nine. 14:33 --> 14:34 You're Dunkelman. 14:34 --> 14:35 I am Dunkelman. 14:35 --> 14:35 You are Dunkelman. 14:36 --> 14:37 So anyways, also... 14:37 --> 14:39 I'll probably end up being a dipper anyways, so... 14:40 --> 14:43 Yeah, you can do your own dipper podcast and be in competition with us. 14:45 --> 14:46 I dig your locker, man. 14:47 --> 14:49 I love how Mickey gets a kick out of that joke, too. 14:49 --> 14:50 Yeah, he digs his locker. 14:50 --> 14:51 He digs his locker. 14:52 --> 14:54 All right, so let's get into the fight. 14:54 --> 14:54 Let's get into the fight. 14:54 --> 14:55 Let's do it. 14:55 --> 14:56 So what happens now? 14:56 --> 14:57 They're in the fight. 14:57 --> 14:58 The fight begins. 14:59 --> 15:02 And what happens in the first round that's never happened before to Apollo Creed? 15:02 --> 15:03 He gets knocked down. 15:03 --> 15:04 He gets knocked down. 15:05 --> 15:05 So it's two things. 15:06 --> 15:09 Creed is obviously toying with him at the beginning of the round, right? 15:09 --> 15:09 Yeah. 15:09 --> 15:11 Like, he's just throwing jabs. 15:11 --> 15:15 Like, the announcer's saying he's making a show out of it. 15:15 --> 15:18 And then Rocky's trying to punch him, but keeps missing. 15:18 --> 15:19 Yeah. 15:19 --> 15:22 And I can really imagine what's going through Rocky's head right now. 15:22 --> 15:23 Like, oh, crap. 15:24 --> 15:26 Like, I am in way over my head here. 15:26 --> 15:27 I can't even hit this guy. 15:27 --> 15:29 He's probably feeling embarrassed. 15:29 --> 15:29 Yeah. 15:30 --> 15:32 It's like, this has probably got to go badly. 15:32 --> 15:33 Like, all this work I'm doing is for now. 15:33 --> 15:34 That's how I would think. 15:34 --> 15:35 I don't know how he would think. 15:35 --> 15:40 But yeah, that knockdown, I think, probably gives Rocky the confidence saying, hey, like, 15:40 --> 15:42 this guy's not invincible. 15:42 --> 15:45 I have what it takes to really hurt him. 15:45 --> 15:50 And that's what the Rocky character is in all these movies, really, in some ways. 15:50 --> 15:55 His spirit, his determination, he has what Tony talks about, that brute force. 15:55 --> 15:57 He just has that in him. 15:57 --> 16:01 For whatever reason, the Rocky character, when he punches, it hurts. 16:01 --> 16:02 It hurts the champ. 16:02 --> 16:03 It breaks his ribs. 16:03 --> 16:06 It hurt all the other boxers that he fought. 16:06 --> 16:10 So he might not be the most stylistic, the most well-looking fighter in the ring. 16:10 --> 16:15 But boy, when you get punched by Rocky, if he gets you, if he connects, it hurts. 16:15 --> 16:19 So he's got the ability to take hit after hit after hit after hit. 16:19 --> 16:23 And then just that one punch is all he needs to sway his opponent. 16:24 --> 16:24 And that's what happens to him. 16:24 --> 16:25 Yeah. 16:25 --> 16:26 And that's a good point. 16:26 --> 16:31 Because, like, he's only receiving in so often, as you'll see in the fight, that when 16:31 --> 16:34 he does get those rare opportunities to make a hit, it has to really count. 16:35 --> 16:35 It stings. 16:35 --> 16:39 And when Apollo feels that, it knocks him to his ring, it might have been psychological 16:39 --> 16:40 for him, too. 16:40 --> 16:41 Like, oh my goodness. 16:42 --> 16:42 I got to stay away. 16:42 --> 16:44 This guy can hurt me if he hits me. 16:45 --> 16:45 Yeah. 16:45 --> 16:47 You know, I actually wanted to look into that. 16:47 --> 16:51 Because after he gets knocked down, you see Apollo taking it more seriously. 16:51 --> 16:52 Yes. 16:52 --> 16:55 You know, he starts actually throwing right hands. 16:55 --> 16:58 He's sticking and moving, so to speak. 16:58 --> 17:01 And then Rocky comes back with some good body shots. 17:01 --> 17:04 But then Apollo breaks his nose and knocks him down. 17:04 --> 17:05 Yeah, his nose gets broke. 17:06 --> 17:07 How many fights was it against? 17:07 --> 17:08 64 fights? 17:09 --> 17:10 Yes, I think so. 17:10 --> 17:11 Never had his nose broke. 17:11 --> 17:12 It's funny. 17:12 --> 17:18 One kind of really subtle nod to Muhammad Ali in this fight is when Apollo, after that first 17:18 --> 17:21 round, he's talking to someone outside of the ring. 17:21 --> 17:23 He's like, I told you. 17:23 --> 17:23 I told you. 17:23 --> 17:26 He's like really cocky again, even though he got knocked down. 17:27 --> 17:28 Yeah. 17:28 --> 17:31 By this nobody in the first round of a fight. 17:31 --> 17:40 When Muhammad Ali beat Cassius Clay beat Sonny Liston for the first time, he did that same thing. 17:40 --> 17:43 He went right to the ropes and he was pointing at the reporters. 17:43 --> 17:44 He was saying, I told you guys. 17:45 --> 17:45 Eat your words. 17:45 --> 17:46 I told you. 17:46 --> 17:46 I told you. 17:47 --> 17:47 I told you. 17:47 --> 17:50 Am I the greatest of all times, Muhammad? 17:50 --> 17:51 Everybody stop talking now. 17:52 --> 17:52 Attention. 17:53 --> 17:59 I told you, all of my critics, I told you all that I was the greatest of all times. 18:00 --> 18:02 I told you today. 18:03 --> 18:05 I'm still the greatest of all times. 18:05 --> 18:07 Never again defeat me. 18:08 --> 18:09 Never again say that I'm going to be defeated. 18:10 --> 18:14 Never again make me the underdog until I'm about 50 years old. 18:14 --> 18:17 And then Apollo, he's doing the exact same thing after the first round. 18:17 --> 18:19 So yeah, definitely drawing from real life. 18:20 --> 18:20 Absolutely. 18:20 --> 18:21 All right. 18:21 --> 18:25 So the first, I think it's the first three rounds are showing in real time. 18:25 --> 18:29 Yeah, and round two, Apollo really lays into him. 18:29 --> 18:33 But then you see Rocky, I don't actually know who won round two. 18:33 --> 18:33 Yeah. 18:33 --> 18:39 Because Rocky, I actually think round two was a lot more devastating for Apollo than it was 18:39 --> 18:39 for round one. 18:40 --> 18:43 Because you see Rocky get some really good shots in. 18:43 --> 18:46 And then the announcer's like, he's hitting him right on the kisser. 18:46 --> 18:47 Yeah. 18:47 --> 18:51 And then Rocky still kept trying to fight after the bell rang. 18:52 --> 18:54 To me, that seems where the fight actually gets serious. 18:55 --> 18:58 There's a good reason probably why it's hard to know who won round two. 18:59 --> 19:07 According to BoxingInsider.com, when they were scoring the Rocky rounds, two was hard to score. 19:08 --> 19:09 I did not know they scored that. 19:09 --> 19:10 That's really interesting. 19:10 --> 19:13 So Creed clearly wins the early part of the round. 19:13 --> 19:18 But as it just goes on, Balboa's blows were more effective and did more damage than Creed's. 19:18 --> 19:20 They gave Balboa 10 to 9. 19:20 --> 19:21 Yeah. 19:21 --> 19:24 And that's the round where Balboa says, come at me. 19:24 --> 19:25 Yeah. 19:25 --> 19:26 Like, he motions at Balboa's hands. 19:26 --> 19:27 He's like, oh, he wants more. 19:28 --> 19:33 Because you can hear the commentators say in the second round, what's keeping this guy up? 19:33 --> 19:33 Yeah. 19:33 --> 19:35 Why is this guy still standing? 19:35 --> 19:37 Like, he's just taking lefts and rights like a punching bag. 19:38 --> 19:43 Which is kind of funny in retrospect, because he takes that for 13 more rounds. 19:44 --> 19:44 Yeah. 19:44 --> 19:45 I mean, it is. 19:45 --> 19:46 Like they said, it's World War III. 19:46 --> 19:48 Didn't they say it was World War III in the ring? 19:48 --> 19:49 Something like that, yeah. 19:49 --> 19:50 Oh, that's also the second fight. 19:50 --> 19:51 Oh, my goodness. 19:51 --> 19:52 My fight's in my brain here. 19:53 --> 19:54 What did they say? 19:54 --> 19:55 They said something that there's a war in there? 19:55 --> 19:57 Didn't they say something to the fact that the... 19:57 --> 19:57 Oh, no. 19:58 --> 19:59 You're watching a battle here today. 19:59 --> 20:00 I tell you that. 20:00 --> 20:00 Yes. 20:01 --> 20:01 Yes. 20:01 --> 20:05 And then right after that, Rocky lands this shot in Apollo's head. 20:05 --> 20:09 And it's my favorite shot of the whole fight, because you see all the sweat just come right 20:09 --> 20:11 off his head. 20:11 --> 20:14 Like, that was an actual punch to the head. 20:15 --> 20:16 Interesting. 20:16 --> 20:20 Hey, I want to mention, you said something about real time a moment ago, Ryan. 20:21 --> 20:27 This is the only Rocky movie where slow-mo is not used during a fight scene. 20:27 --> 20:28 Oh, you're right. 20:28 --> 20:29 Yeah, I never thought of it. 20:29 --> 20:30 Yeah, you're absolutely right. 20:30 --> 20:30 Interesting. 20:31 --> 20:34 Yeah, they certainly use that slow motion in later fights to see that blood and sweat come 20:34 --> 20:35 off their faces. 20:36 --> 20:38 So, the fight progresses, and we see the battle. 20:38 --> 20:39 Not World War III. 20:39 --> 20:40 My apologies. 20:40 --> 20:41 The battle. 20:41 --> 20:42 Breaking out. 20:42 --> 20:46 These are two warriors in the ring, and they are just literally going toe-to-toe, exchanging 20:46 --> 20:48 punch for punch, pound for pound. 20:48 --> 20:49 They're just beating the crap out of each other. 20:50 --> 20:52 See the girl holding the round sign? 20:53 --> 20:53 Yeah. 20:53 --> 20:54 In her statue. 20:54 --> 20:55 She's dressed as the Statue of Liberty? 20:56 --> 20:56 Yeah. 20:56 --> 21:01 I think around round seven or so, she kind of has what, in my mind, has this worried look 21:01 --> 21:02 on her face. 21:02 --> 21:02 Yeah. 21:03 --> 21:06 She wonders if her makeup's going to run by the end of the 15 rounds. 21:06 --> 21:06 Yeah. 21:06 --> 21:09 I'm like, I can't believe I'm actually doing this still. 21:09 --> 21:11 I'm like, why is this still going? 21:11 --> 21:11 I'm like, why is this still going on? 21:12 --> 21:13 He said Creed. 21:13 --> 21:17 I always thought in my mind it'd be funny if they didn't make enough signs, because they 21:17 --> 21:18 didn't figure that he'd go 15 rounds. 21:19 --> 21:22 So we mentioned Rocky's nose is broke. 21:22 --> 21:24 Mickey tells him it's an improvement. 21:24 --> 21:26 And he's really fixing it on how it looks. 21:27 --> 21:27 How does it look? 21:28 --> 21:28 It's an improvement. 21:29 --> 21:29 Yeah. 21:30 --> 21:33 Then we get to the 14th round. 21:33 --> 21:34 Let's talk about the 14th round. 21:35 --> 21:37 Well, it's Creed's best round of the fight. 21:38 --> 21:39 Well, Creed knocks down Rocky. 21:39 --> 21:41 Now, this is a big build up in the music. 21:41 --> 21:42 And this is the greatest. 21:42 --> 21:45 The great music in this scene is just incredible. 21:45 --> 21:50 The whole battle sound, the crescendo, the music builds and it builds and it builds. 21:51 --> 21:57 And that trumpet section builds up when Rocky hits the mat being knocked by Creed in the face. 21:57 --> 21:58 And he falls. 21:58 --> 22:00 Yeah, he takes a vicious uppercut. 22:00 --> 22:00 Vicious. 22:00 --> 22:01 And he goes right down. 22:01 --> 22:04 Like Apollo just kept hitting him and Rocky's just kind of done. 22:04 --> 22:05 And you got Mickey. 22:05 --> 22:06 You hear Mickey say, stay down, stay down. 22:07 --> 22:08 Because Mickey is now the father figure. 22:09 --> 22:10 Complete father figure mode. 22:10 --> 22:12 Well, this is the thing, though. 22:12 --> 22:14 This is where I'm actually confused in this part. 22:14 --> 22:16 I'm not sure what he means by that. 22:17 --> 22:23 Because I know in boxing, when you get knocked down, it's not a good idea to get up immediately a lot of the times. 22:23 --> 22:24 Especially if you're hit really hard. 22:24 --> 22:25 Okay. 22:25 --> 22:28 Like, you're supposed to let your head clear a bit for a few seconds and then get up. 22:29 --> 22:30 I think. 22:30 --> 22:32 Maybe a real boxer would be yelling at me right now. 22:32 --> 22:33 Sure, that might be. 22:33 --> 22:36 I kind of, I lean towards more than what you thought, though. 22:36 --> 22:42 That, like, I think I wanted him to just, like, yeah, you've done, you've proven yourself. 22:42 --> 22:43 Like, you just. 22:43 --> 22:45 You know, I think he sees this poor boy. 22:46 --> 22:48 You know, somebody that he's seen in the gym for six years. 22:48 --> 22:51 He's just getting, he's proven more to anybody already. 22:51 --> 22:55 In mixed mind, hey, man, you've gone 14 rounds with this guy. 22:55 --> 22:57 You've already gone longer than anyone else ever has. 22:57 --> 23:00 It might not be the distance, but he doesn't know about Rocky's need to go the distance. 23:00 --> 23:02 I don't think Rocky has shared that with Mickey. 23:03 --> 23:05 No, you can assume that he didn't. 23:05 --> 23:07 But you can assume that he would want to, though. 23:07 --> 23:09 But maybe he didn't want to jinx it. 23:09 --> 23:12 I think he only told Adrian that part of his life. 23:12 --> 23:14 Well, I think he only came to that realization. 23:15 --> 23:15 The night before. 23:15 --> 23:16 Like, that night. 23:16 --> 23:21 And so, like, yes, technically he could have told Mickey that at the fight. 23:21 --> 23:23 But to me, that doesn't seem like. 23:23 --> 23:24 It's not the character of Rocky. 23:25 --> 23:31 Hey, Mickey, just so you know, last night I was at the ring and I had this clairvoyant moment where. 23:33 --> 23:36 So, you got Mickey yelling, stay down, stay down. 23:36 --> 23:38 And you got Rocky climbing for the ropes. 23:38 --> 23:40 You got Adrian looking down and horror. 23:42 --> 23:45 Down, down, stay down. 23:45 --> 23:47 Follow dancing along with his arms in the air. 23:57 --> 24:05 Five, six, seven, eight, nine. 24:10 --> 24:11 Okay, look at that. 24:14 --> 24:16 I'm hot, I can't believe it. 24:16 --> 24:32 Five, six, seven, eight, nine. 24:32 --> 24:36 The champion got a left to the ribs, his right ribs. 24:36 --> 24:37 Oh, this has been a trouble. 24:38 --> 24:40 Because she knows what Rocky needs to do, but she doesn't. 24:40 --> 24:42 I don't think she can watch him get beaten up anymore. 24:42 --> 24:46 She kind of pokes her head out of the dressing room at this point, doesn't she? 24:46 --> 24:48 She does at this point because she probably hears the crowd. 24:48 --> 24:48 Yeah. 24:48 --> 24:55 When I was a kid watching it, I kind of thought she didn't want to watch it because she was just a weak woman type of thing. 24:55 --> 25:01 And then I now view her as somebody who just loves this man so much. 25:01 --> 25:04 And because she loves him, just doesn't want to see him get hurt. 25:04 --> 25:10 I think she's okay watching, you know, Kree get punched, but it's not okay watching her man get punched. 25:10 --> 25:11 I think that's actually romantic. 25:12 --> 25:18 And in the later movie, she says, when you took all those beatings in the ring, I took them with you. 25:18 --> 25:19 Yes. 25:19 --> 25:21 Again, she's the perfect wife. 25:22 --> 25:24 The music's built up. 25:24 --> 25:25 Mickey's yelling, stay down. 25:26 --> 25:27 He's climbing for the ropes. 25:27 --> 25:29 He gets up on the nine count. 25:29 --> 25:31 Kree's already got his arms in the air that he's won. 25:31 --> 25:33 Turns around and sees Rocky's up. 25:34 --> 25:37 And Rocky does that famous, come back to me. 25:37 --> 25:38 Come back to me. 25:38 --> 25:40 That look on Kree's face is priceless. 25:41 --> 25:43 He's like, you've got to be pooping me. 25:44 --> 25:44 That's exactly. 25:44 --> 25:44 Yeah. 25:45 --> 25:46 That was such good acting. 25:46 --> 25:48 It is great acting. 25:48 --> 25:48 Carl Weathers. 25:48 --> 25:48 Yeah. 25:48 --> 25:55 That's why he teaches acting on the Carl Weathers School of Acting on Arrested Development. 25:57 --> 25:57 No. 25:57 --> 25:58 Am I the only one that watches Arrested Development? 25:58 --> 25:59 I know. 25:59 --> 25:59 I know the joke. 26:00 --> 26:01 Kyle, do you know that he does that on Arrested Development? 26:02 --> 26:03 No, I know the show. 26:03 --> 26:06 Well, I know of the show, but I don't watch it. 26:06 --> 26:07 Okay, let me tell you. 26:07 --> 26:11 Had I said that to people that watch the show, it would have slayed. 26:12 --> 26:12 Yeah. 26:12 --> 26:13 Well, no, I laughed. 26:14 --> 26:15 I laughed. 26:15 --> 26:19 The joke is, without getting too much into it, is that Carl Weathers plays, quote, himself 26:19 --> 26:23 in the show Arrested Development, and he teaches acting school. 26:23 --> 26:25 A desperate version of himself. 26:25 --> 26:25 Yes. 26:26 --> 26:28 Who will work for a sandwich type of thing. 26:30 --> 26:35 Do you see me more as the respected dramatic actor, or more of the beloved comic actor? 26:35 --> 26:36 Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 26:36 --> 26:38 There's still plenty of meat on that bone. 26:38 --> 26:41 You take this home, throw it in a pot, add some broth, a potato. 26:41 --> 26:43 Baby, you got a stew going. 26:44 --> 26:46 I think I'd like my money back. 26:54 --> 26:55 Oh, hey, Buster. 26:55 --> 26:56 I thought you had class. 26:57 --> 26:58 I thought you had class. 26:58 --> 27:00 My brother-in-law fires you, and you move in on my girlfriend. 27:01 --> 27:02 Oh, come on, now, wait a minute. 27:02 --> 27:03 This is just purely a social call. 27:04 --> 27:05 You know, just two adults getting a stew on, man. 27:06 --> 27:09 I don't know what that means, but it sounds disgusting. 27:09 --> 27:11 Funny how he plays sillier characters. 27:12 --> 27:14 Like, he's playing so, like, when he was on Happy Gilmore, and... 27:14 --> 27:15 Come on, boy, cut that out. 27:16 --> 27:16 You're making me sick. 27:18 --> 27:18 Hey! 27:18 --> 27:18 Hey! 27:18 --> 27:20 So you're a hockey player, huh? 27:20 --> 27:21 Yeah. 27:21 --> 27:23 You're gonna concentrate on golf. 27:23 --> 27:24 Who the hell are you? 27:24 --> 27:26 I'm the club pro here, Chubbs Peterson. 27:27 --> 27:30 And I'm offering to teach you how to play golf personally. 27:30 --> 27:31 For free. 27:31 --> 27:32 No. 27:33 --> 27:35 You have no idea who I am, do you? 27:35 --> 27:35 No, I don't. 27:36 --> 27:43 Back in 1965, Sports Illustrated said I was going to be the next Arnold Palmer. 27:43 --> 27:43 Yeah? 27:43 --> 27:44 What happened? 27:44 --> 27:46 They wouldn't let me play on the Pro Tour anymore. 27:47 --> 27:48 Oh, I'm sorry. 27:48 --> 27:49 Because you're black? 27:50 --> 27:52 That part, at least, he was a good actor, though. 27:52 --> 27:56 Yeah, that scene, because, again, Stallone wrote the script, right? 27:56 --> 28:01 And so he would have written, when I get up, when the Rocky character gets up and asks for more, 28:01 --> 28:06 you're gonna put your head down in complete, like, disbelievement and dejection. 28:07 --> 28:08 Like, why won't this end? 28:09 --> 28:11 Yeah, because Apollo's never been this far. 28:11 --> 28:18 And there's a, if you rewind a little bit, it shows his face while he's sitting in his corner. 28:18 --> 28:19 Yeah. 28:19 --> 28:20 Kind of in the later rounds. 28:20 --> 28:20 Yeah, and he's... 28:20 --> 28:23 And he's, like, huffing and puffing, and you see his eyes are all swollen. 28:24 --> 28:25 Like, he's... 28:25 --> 28:25 He's... 28:25 --> 28:26 Oh, yeah, that's right. 28:26 --> 28:27 He realizes he's in the fight of his life. 28:27 --> 28:28 That's right. 28:28 --> 28:30 They announced to say, I remember now, they announced to say, look at these two. 28:30 --> 28:31 They've been through a battle. 28:31 --> 28:32 They've been in a war, these two. 28:32 --> 28:34 Yeah, a war, these two. 28:34 --> 28:34 I love it. 28:34 --> 28:35 I love it. 28:35 --> 28:36 You are the cult master. 28:38 --> 28:43 You know, I can't remember anything that would give me any type of academic or financial success, 28:43 --> 28:47 but I can definitely remember the Rocky movies. 28:47 --> 28:49 So round 15 starts. 28:49 --> 28:50 And round 15 is funny. 28:50 --> 28:51 It's... 28:51 --> 28:52 It doesn't have the same... 28:52 --> 28:54 Round 14 is, like, the best round. 28:55 --> 28:56 Because of the music buildup, he gets up. 28:57 --> 28:58 But he gets to round 15. 28:58 --> 29:00 He almost beats Apollo. 29:01 --> 29:03 If that fight was 20 seconds longer, what do you think? 29:04 --> 29:05 Oh, no. 29:05 --> 29:06 Apollo was... 29:06 --> 29:10 Apollo was literally saved by the ropes in that last second. 29:10 --> 29:14 He was just resting against the ropes, getting beaten at that point. 29:14 --> 29:17 I think if it was 20 more seconds, he would have crumbled to the canvas. 29:18 --> 29:18 Yeah. 29:18 --> 29:24 Or I think if Rocky wasn't so tired, he would have been able to, like, knock Apollo out right 29:24 --> 29:24 then. 29:24 --> 29:27 Maybe if he had longer to train, if it wasn't such short notice. 29:27 --> 29:27 Yeah. 29:27 --> 29:29 But that's what Rocky 2 is for. 29:30 --> 29:31 I mean, I thought... 29:31 --> 29:32 I thought there wasn't supposed to be a rematch. 29:33 --> 29:34 Well, we're going to talk about that. 29:34 --> 29:35 So the bell rings. 29:36 --> 29:38 Apollo is literally saved by the bell. 29:55 --> 29:59 The announcers start talking about the fight. 29:59 --> 30:02 You've seen the greatest event in sports history. 30:02 --> 30:09 He says, we've had the privilege of witnessing the greatest exhibition of guts and stamina in 30:09 --> 30:10 the history of the ring. 30:10 --> 30:11 That's awesome. 30:11 --> 30:15 And I get, like, the tingly feeling every time I hear that. 30:15 --> 30:17 Have you ever thought about doing a one-man show, Kyle? 30:18 --> 30:20 Like, just performing Rocky as a one-man show? 30:20 --> 30:23 I'm going to do it in the Philadelphia subway system. 30:23 --> 30:26 Like, maybe for Fringe Fest or something like that. 30:26 --> 30:29 I'm amazed of how many quotes you pull out. 30:29 --> 30:30 It's a real treat. 30:31 --> 30:31 Yeah. 30:31 --> 30:32 Oh, thanks. 30:33 --> 30:33 Yeah. 30:33 --> 30:38 I remember as a kid watching this, and I was confused to who was winning by the end. 30:38 --> 30:41 It didn't make sense to me of who was winning, if anybody was winning. 30:42 --> 30:42 And... 30:42 --> 30:43 Yes. 30:43 --> 30:46 Because the movie was called Rocky, I assumed that he was going to win. 30:46 --> 30:48 So I was very confused when he didn't win. 30:48 --> 30:52 Well, not a lot of people know, I find, when I watch this with people, what a split decision 30:52 --> 30:53 actually is. 30:53 --> 30:55 Well, we have a split decision. 30:55 --> 30:58 Well, you know, I don't know what a split decision is. 30:59 --> 30:59 So... 30:59 --> 31:00 Okay, so... 31:00 --> 31:00 Fill me in. 31:00 --> 31:00 What... 31:00 --> 31:07 If there isn't a knockdown and the fight goes to the scorecards, you'll have an odd number 31:07 --> 31:08 of judges judge the fight. 31:08 --> 31:09 So typically three. 31:10 --> 31:12 So each of them will score the fight individually. 31:12 --> 31:17 And so a unanimous decision is if all three come to the same conclusion on who won the fight, 31:18 --> 31:23 a split decision is two of the three come to the same conclusion, and then there's the 31:23 --> 31:24 odd man out. 31:24 --> 31:27 So in this case, one of the judges thought Rocky had won the fight. 31:27 --> 31:28 At least one. 31:28 --> 31:29 No, just one. 31:30 --> 31:30 Okay. 31:30 --> 31:34 There's the three judges, and the other two thought Apollo had won. 31:36 --> 31:38 And so the first one, it says 8-7 Creed. 31:39 --> 31:40 So that's a really weird score. 31:40 --> 31:45 Usually they score them, like you were saying earlier, around 9-10 or something, so it'd be 31:45 --> 31:46 higher numbers. 31:46 --> 31:49 In this case, they're just scoring like number of rounds won. 31:49 --> 31:52 And it's hard to hear the other scores. 31:52 --> 31:53 Yeah, because the music's playing. 31:54 --> 31:57 I had this poster I bought when I was in university. 31:57 --> 31:59 I just saw it at some art show. 31:59 --> 32:05 And it was a picture of Rocky on the stairs, but the actual picture was every word in the 32:05 --> 32:06 script. 32:06 --> 32:07 Oh, interesting. 32:07 --> 32:07 Does that make sense? 32:07 --> 32:08 Yeah, yeah. 32:08 --> 32:09 Like it's... 32:09 --> 32:14 And so I just remember like trying to read sections of it, but I read like the very last lines. 32:14 --> 32:18 And so I was able to see like what he was saying with the judges' scores. 32:18 --> 32:21 So one judge thought it was 8-7 Creed. 32:22 --> 32:24 One judge thought it was 8-7 Balboa. 32:25 --> 32:27 And then the other judge thought it was 9-6 Creed. 32:28 --> 32:30 So Apollo Creed gets that. 32:30 --> 32:35 But if you get a split decision victory, then that's kind of a hollow victory because it's 32:35 --> 32:36 controversial. 32:36 --> 32:41 who like it was that close that it's kind of disputed who really won that fight. 32:42 --> 32:42 Yeah. 32:42 --> 32:44 And I think it's my understanding. 32:44 --> 32:45 This is where I come in on this. 32:45 --> 32:48 Is that in order to be the champ, don't you have to knock him out? 32:48 --> 32:50 Or what's the rule with that? 32:50 --> 32:50 No. 32:50 --> 32:51 Okay. 32:51 --> 32:53 That was kind of thought of before. 32:54 --> 32:58 Like the judges wouldn't score you as the winner if you didn't knock the champ out. 32:59 --> 33:01 That's not like actually an official rule. 33:01 --> 33:02 Okay. 33:02 --> 33:02 Yeah. 33:02 --> 33:06 Just basically if you don't, the judges will be kind of biased towards you. 33:06 --> 33:06 Right. 33:07 --> 33:07 Okay. 33:07 --> 33:08 So Rocky's gone the distance. 33:08 --> 33:10 So we know as a viewer, he's done that. 33:10 --> 33:12 He's got his own personal victory. 33:13 --> 33:19 And I love it when all the reporters are on him, talking to him, and you hear what he yells 33:19 --> 33:20 to them. 33:20 --> 33:22 He goes, get these microphones out of my face. 33:22 --> 33:24 I've had enough things in my face today. 33:24 --> 33:24 Well, no. 33:24 --> 33:24 Yeah. 33:24 --> 33:28 Because Bill Baldwin was asking him if he's going to have a rematch. 33:28 --> 33:28 Yep. 33:29 --> 33:30 He says, like, no, there ain't going to be no rematch. 33:30 --> 33:32 I've had enough to my face today. 33:33 --> 33:33 Yeah. 33:33 --> 33:36 Like, anyone would say that, right? 33:36 --> 33:40 Like, you know, it's like if you had a really hard day at work, they're like, hey, you want 33:40 --> 33:42 to do another eight hour shift right now? 33:42 --> 33:43 Yeah. 33:43 --> 33:43 Yeah. 33:43 --> 33:44 Let's do it. 33:44 --> 33:44 No. 33:46 --> 33:50 So now he's calling for Adrian, which I, this is the part where people make fun of the show, 33:51 --> 33:52 the character Rocky. 33:53 --> 33:53 Yes. 33:54 --> 33:56 Why do you think they make fun of him? 33:56 --> 33:57 I don't get it when he's yelling, Adrian. 33:57 --> 34:02 He's, you know, to me, it's a poignant, beautiful scene. 34:02 --> 34:07 He's yelling amongst the crowd of noise and commotion for his girlfriend, the love of his 34:07 --> 34:08 life. 34:08 --> 34:12 He's trying to yell over the crowd, calling for, he can't see, number one. 34:12 --> 34:14 And he's yelling for his, his girl. 34:15 --> 34:17 He actually doesn't sound the way people make him sound. 34:17 --> 34:18 I don't know if that makes sense. 34:18 --> 34:21 Well, usually when people do an impersonation, it's over the top. 34:21 --> 34:22 Fair enough. 34:22 --> 34:22 Go on. 34:22 --> 34:24 And they're usually, oh, sorry to interrupt. 34:24 --> 34:25 No, no, no. 34:25 --> 34:25 Please. 34:25 --> 34:26 After you, Kyle. 34:26 --> 34:28 We're, we're, we're, we're Canadian. 34:28 --> 34:29 Yeah. 34:29 --> 34:30 Everyone has to say sorry at least once. 34:30 --> 34:31 Sorry. 34:31 --> 34:34 That's, uh, especially if you're on the wrong end of that. 34:35 --> 34:36 That's right. 34:36 --> 34:37 That's my apology. 34:37 --> 34:39 I, I shouldn't have been, uh, I shouldn't have been talking. 34:39 --> 34:40 I should have let you always talk. 34:40 --> 34:41 I should never be talking. 34:41 --> 34:42 Go ahead. 34:42 --> 34:43 I'll turn my mic off. 34:43 --> 34:44 Oh God. 34:44 --> 34:47 Uh, I can't remember what I was saying. 34:47 --> 34:47 So go ahead. 34:48 --> 34:48 Go ahead. 34:48 --> 34:50 We're just talking about being sorry and Canadian. 34:51 --> 35:00 Well, uh, Adrian, I asked Ryan why he thinks people might be, uh, not liking why he would 35:00 --> 35:00 call for Adrian. 35:01 --> 35:06 I just know what I was going to say, which was, and I apologize that you forgot, but is 35:06 --> 35:09 that here's like the biggest victory of his life. 35:09 --> 35:12 And if you don't have somebody to share that with, what is the point? 35:12 --> 35:13 It's not a victory. 35:13 --> 35:13 Yeah. 35:14 --> 35:19 So for someone to make fun of that, I think they probably feel uncomfortable because that's 35:19 --> 35:24 a real purpose of life is that you're not being alone and that you have somebody to share 35:24 --> 35:25 it with. 35:25 --> 35:26 Hang on. 35:26 --> 35:26 Be no remit. 35:27 --> 35:28 Don't want one. 35:28 --> 35:29 Rocky. 35:29 --> 35:30 Rocky. 35:30 --> 35:39 Here's chaos. 35:39 --> 35:41 Rocky, you went to this and you went to 15 rounds. 35:41 --> 35:42 How do you feel? 35:42 --> 35:44 What are you thinking about when I buzzer sound without laughing? 35:44 --> 35:47 What are you thinking about when the 15 rounds are coming out? 35:48 --> 35:48 Rocky? 35:50 --> 35:50 Rocky? 35:54 --> 35:54 Rocky? 35:56 --> 35:56 Rocky? 35:56 --> 35:57 - Rocky! 35:57 --> 36:00 - Here is a privilege, a witness in the Great 36:00 --> 36:05 Emergency of Rocks and Sacramento in the history of the 36:05 --> 36:06 race. 36:06 --> 36:07 - Rocky! 36:07 --> 36:08 - Rocky! 36:08 --> 36:09 - Rocky! 36:09 --> 36:11 - Thank you, gentlemen. 36:11 --> 36:12 - Rocky! 36:12 --> 36:15 - We have a split decision. 36:15 --> 36:17 - Just walk out. 36:17 --> 36:19 - Thank you! 36:19 --> 36:20 - Rocky! 36:20 --> 36:22 - A ball for three. 36:25 --> 36:27 Come on! 36:27 --> 36:29 Come on! 36:29 --> 36:31 Come on! 36:31 --> 36:33 You hurt him, ladies. 36:33 --> 36:35 That's my friend! 36:35 --> 36:37 You're freaking the jackpot! 36:37 --> 36:39 Come on, let's go, buddy. 36:39 --> 36:41 Angie! 36:41 --> 36:43 Angie! 36:43 --> 36:45 Angie! 36:45 --> 36:47 I love you! 36:47 --> 36:49 I love you! 36:49 --> 36:51 I love you! 36:51 --> 36:53 I love you! 36:53 --> 36:55 I love you! 36:55 --> 37:01 I don't know what I was going to say now. I think a lot of people, when they mock Rocky, 37:01 --> 37:03 don't mock when he's saying Adrian. 37:03 --> 37:05 They mock a different... 37:05 --> 37:07 They mock the second movie 37:07 --> 37:09 when he says "Yo, Adrian!" 37:09 --> 37:11 Yeah, I did it. Yeah. 37:11 --> 37:13 Spoiler alert! 37:13 --> 37:15 "Yo, Adrian!" 37:15 --> 37:17 We won't say why he said that, but... 37:17 --> 37:19 Yeah, and I agree with you. 37:19 --> 37:21 The second one is a more pronounced 37:21 --> 37:23 or drawn out 37:23 --> 37:25 Yeah, sound that we hear. 37:25 --> 37:27 I agree. 37:27 --> 37:29 He says "Yo!" 37:29 --> 37:31 I think people find that weird. 37:31 --> 37:33 It's a Philly thing, though. 37:33 --> 37:35 Is it? I believe it is. I think it is. 37:35 --> 37:37 I think... Yo! 37:37 --> 37:39 For just the Rocky... 37:39 --> 37:41 I think he drew it from that era and that area. 37:41 --> 37:43 It's also a... 37:43 --> 37:43 Yeah. 37:43 --> 37:45 A G.I. Joe thing. 37:45 --> 37:47 Yeah, "Yo, Joe!" 37:47 --> 37:49 "Yo, Joe!" 37:49 --> 37:51 "He'll fight for freedom wherever there's trouble." 37:51 --> 37:53 "G.I. Joe is there!" 37:53 --> 37:55 "G.I. Joe!" 37:55 --> 37:57 "Let's talk about... 37:57 --> 37:59 Let's talk about... 37:59 --> 37:59 Adrian gets there. 37:59 --> 38:01 Pauly opens up the ropes on the ring there 38:01 --> 38:03 to let Adrian in." 38:03 --> 38:05 See? That's something... 38:05 --> 38:07 I heard that, like, Pauly was doing that on purpose 38:07 --> 38:09 to distract the guy. 38:09 --> 38:11 Yeah. Well, he was talking... 38:11 --> 38:13 He goes, "Hey, that's my future brother-in-law in there." 38:13 --> 38:15 Or something... 38:15 --> 38:16 "That's my friend." 38:16 --> 38:17 "And then the guy's like, 38:17 --> 38:19 "Yeah, he's my friend. He's your friend. Let's go." 38:19 --> 38:21 "And then Adrian gets to the side of the ring 38:21 --> 38:23 and she's like, 'Hey, Pauly.'" 38:23 --> 38:25 Pauly sees her and opens up the ring for her. 38:25 --> 38:27 She climbs... 38:27 --> 38:28 She climbs in. 38:28 --> 38:30 Of course, she's lost her hat on the way to the ring. 38:30 --> 38:31 So my question to you, Kyle... 38:31 --> 38:32 Yes. 38:32 --> 38:33 So here's my question to you. 38:33 --> 38:35 Was the lost hat scripted? 38:35 --> 38:38 And if not, was Stallone's question, 38:38 --> 38:41 which is actually the second to last piece of dialogue in the movie, 38:41 --> 38:43 was that scripted? 38:43 --> 38:46 Okay. My guess is it was unscripted. 38:46 --> 38:48 Commotion and stuff like that. 38:48 --> 38:51 I could see a hat falling off just like that. 38:51 --> 38:54 It's funny though, Talia Shire, when she's filming that scene then... 38:54 --> 38:56 Okay, so the hat coming off is unscripted 38:56 --> 38:58 because it's kind of a silly thing to script. 38:58 --> 39:01 So the hat falls off and she actually looks over her shoulder 39:01 --> 39:04 but keeps running as a normal person would do. 39:04 --> 39:06 Like, "Forget my hat. I'm going to the ring." 39:06 --> 39:09 She's so preoccupied with seeing Rocky that the hat's really... 39:09 --> 39:11 That's a natural reaction. 39:11 --> 39:16 What's happening? Like, did my hat just fall? Like, what's going on? 39:16 --> 39:19 Then she gets to the ring. But what I like is her hat is off. 39:19 --> 39:22 But as you know, films aren't filmed in one motion, right? 39:22 --> 39:24 So she gets to the ring with no hat on. 39:24 --> 39:28 And now Stallone/Rocky or whoever sees that she doesn't have a hat and asks that question, 39:28 --> 39:30 "Where's your hat?" 39:30 --> 39:37 Yeah, and this is what Sly was talking about. He's like, "The Rocky character is just so into Adrian. 39:37 --> 39:42 He had the greatest accomplishment of his life and everything going on around him. 39:42 --> 39:45 Her hat is like his concern." 39:45 --> 39:47 Yeah, I agree. And I agree with you totally. 39:47 --> 39:53 I want to think that he just... he said that he just improvised given that the hat came off. 39:53 --> 39:54 Yeah, I agree. 39:54 --> 39:55 That's what I want to say. 39:55 --> 39:59 Because Stallone, the actor, would have seen Adrian in costume or dress all day, 39:59 --> 40:01 noticing that she's wearing a red hat. 40:01 --> 40:04 When it comes to that filming that she's not wearing it, 40:04 --> 40:06 he in character goes, "Where's your hat?" 40:06 --> 40:09 Yeah. When he interviews, you could ask him that. 40:09 --> 40:14 Oh, Kyle. Bless your heart. Bless your heart. 40:14 --> 40:17 So yeah, well there we go. And then they say, "I love you." 40:17 --> 40:18 "I love you." 40:18 --> 40:19 And then the film ends. 40:19 --> 40:22 And I think that's their first "I love you" that you hear. 40:22 --> 40:25 It is. Well, we don't know what they said their first date, but... 40:26 --> 40:29 Well, yeah, you know, when your legs are weak, you say all sorts of things. 40:29 --> 40:30 That's right. 40:30 --> 40:33 Was Apollo's woman? Did he get... 40:33 --> 40:35 Was Adrian the only one to come in the ring? 40:35 --> 40:38 You don't see his wife at all in the first movie. 40:38 --> 40:39 Until part two. 40:39 --> 40:41 In life, Rocky won this one. 40:41 --> 40:42 Rocky won in life. 40:42 --> 40:43 Sure. 40:43 --> 40:44 Absolutely. 40:44 --> 40:47 This is probably one of the worst days of Apollo's life. 40:48 --> 40:54 Well, we'll see later in Rocky II about the kind of mail he gets and what this fight does for him. 40:55 --> 40:59 Can we find out in Creed that after a fight like this, you can't even wipe yourself? 41:01 --> 41:03 It is a bad day in Apollo's life. 41:04 --> 41:05 It's pretty rough. 41:06 --> 41:08 And he's going to carry him up the stairs soon. 41:09 --> 41:11 Yeah, that extremely nice house. 41:12 --> 41:13 Well, Kyle, that's the end of the movie. 41:14 --> 41:19 We can go into other things later about the things that were filmed that were not shown. 41:19 --> 41:24 There's actually film of Rocky and Adrian walking down to the locker room together hand in hand. 41:25 --> 41:26 Yeah, I think that's the cover of like... 41:27 --> 41:28 It is the cover. It's an outtake. 41:29 --> 41:31 It never made it the final film, but it was filmed. 41:32 --> 41:34 Is she in a hat there in that outtake? 41:34 --> 41:35 Oh, I'd have to look. 41:35 --> 41:36 Boy, is she found her hat? 41:36 --> 41:39 If she had a hat in that outtake, then that probably was unscripted before. 41:40 --> 41:42 Good call. We're going to have to search that. 41:43 --> 41:45 Well, Kyle, how was your first Rocky podcast experience? 41:46 --> 41:47 I thoroughly enjoyed myself. 41:48 --> 41:49 I'm a little bit... 41:50 --> 41:52 Maybe I became too involved. 41:52 --> 41:56 Like, I didn't take over the podcast or something like that. 41:56 --> 41:59 Yeah, it's now called Going the Distance with Kyle. 42:00 --> 42:00 Yeah, so. 42:01 --> 42:03 The day of thanks for joining us. 42:04 --> 42:05 Absolutely, you're a treat to have. 42:05 --> 42:07 I hope that you come join us again. 42:08 --> 42:08 Truly. 42:08 --> 42:09 You know what, guys? 42:09 --> 42:10 I loved it. 42:10 --> 42:13 I will go on as many episodes as you want me to go on. 42:14 --> 42:17 Hey, well, my recording has stopped because I ran out of memory. 42:18 --> 42:20 But I think Rubens is still going. 42:20 --> 42:22 I've got to tell you what I really think of this stupid podcast. 42:24 --> 42:25 No, it was great. 42:25 --> 42:29 I love Talking Rocky, especially with people who actually, you know, appreciate and know the movies. 42:30 --> 42:36 I was going to share a story, actually, about the Cut Me Mick, because we didn't really bring that up. 42:36 --> 42:38 Okay, this will beat me straight. 42:38 --> 42:39 Go, Cut Me Mick. 42:40 --> 42:46 Okay, so this is probably something you wouldn't want to put in the podcast because it's like a messed up story. 42:46 --> 42:49 But, like, my dad likes to say inappropriate stuff. 42:51 --> 42:52 It's just his nature. 42:52 --> 42:53 He doesn't even realize it's appropriate or not. 42:54 --> 42:54 Right. 42:54 --> 42:58 And just trust me here, this is going to go back to the Rocky thing. 42:58 --> 42:59 It might not sound like it, but. 43:00 --> 43:04 So, like, he'll talk about when I was born and when he saw me being born. 43:04 --> 43:09 And I guess, like, the doctors had to, like, do what's called, like, an episiotomy. 43:10 --> 43:11 Do you guys know what that is? 43:11 --> 43:12 No. 43:12 --> 43:13 Nope. 43:13 --> 43:19 They basically have to take a scalpel and, like, kind of cut to make room for the baby to come out. 43:19 --> 43:21 Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. 43:21 --> 43:26 And so my dad, like, is describing this and he'll do it at, like, the dinner table or something, like, something super awkward. 43:27 --> 43:30 And he does it, like, he's done it more than once. 43:30 --> 43:34 And my mom, who's a big Rocky fan, once just was like, yeah, cut me, Mick. 43:34 --> 43:35 Come on, cut me. 43:39 --> 43:40 That's my messed up family. 43:40 --> 43:41 But anyways. 43:41 --> 43:42 That's funny. 43:42 --> 43:44 Yeah, that's a pretty iconic scene. 43:44 --> 43:52 Apparently that was, like, my mom was saying in the 70s, that scene of him cutting his eye was, like, considered pretty gruesome. 43:53 --> 43:53 Yeah. 43:53 --> 43:59 Yeah, it's a cringeworthy scene to have your skin break open right above your eye to see blood come out. 43:59 --> 44:03 I think it's still cringeworthy to this day because it's such a realistic type movie. 44:03 --> 44:04 Well, yeah. 44:04 --> 44:09 And the thing is, is that, like, that fight would have been stopped a while ago. 44:09 --> 44:12 Like, in today's boxing, I don't know about back in the day or anything. 44:12 --> 44:13 It's the 70s. 44:13 --> 44:15 It was the 70s. 44:15 --> 44:16 There was no seatbelts. 44:17 --> 44:17 Yeah. 44:18 --> 44:23 Also, as well, the ref, Lou Filippo, he was, like, an actual boxing ref. 44:23 --> 44:25 Like, he refed a lot of championship fights. 44:25 --> 44:26 That's awesome. 44:26 --> 44:31 He refed the greatest exhibition of, what was that again? 44:31 --> 44:34 Of guts and stamina in the history of the ring. 44:34 --> 44:35 That's awesome. 44:36 --> 44:39 Well, that guy was such a boring announcer, too, which is funny. 44:39 --> 44:39 Good evening. 44:40 --> 44:41 All right. 44:41 --> 44:42 I love he goes, all right. 44:43 --> 44:44 All right. 44:44 --> 44:44 Oh, no. 44:44 --> 44:46 That's the guy in the first fight. 44:46 --> 44:47 I know. 44:47 --> 44:47 But, okay. 44:47 --> 44:48 That's right. 44:48 --> 44:48 All right. 44:48 --> 44:49 All right. 44:49 --> 44:51 Ken Brooks and Sherry Johnson. 44:53 --> 44:54 I love that voice. 44:54 --> 44:55 I love that voice. 44:55 --> 44:57 Nobody talks like that anymore. 44:57 --> 44:58 No. 44:58 --> 44:59 No. 45:00 --> 45:00 I love it. 45:00 --> 45:01 It's funny. 45:01 --> 45:04 What part of New Jersey did you live in? 45:04 --> 45:05 Newark. 45:05 --> 45:06 In the area. 45:06 --> 45:06 Okay. 45:06 --> 45:08 So, you were near the New York part of New Jersey. 45:08 --> 45:09 That's right. 45:09 --> 45:15 Like, when I was in Philly, I noticed, like, people kind of talk like that, but not exactly 45:15 --> 45:15 like that. 45:15 --> 45:17 But they kind of have a funny accent there. 45:17 --> 45:17 Oh, yeah. 45:17 --> 45:18 Sure. 45:18 --> 45:18 Yeah. 45:18 --> 45:18 Absolutely. 45:19 --> 45:20 Especially with the Italians. 45:21 --> 45:22 Or I-Talians over there. 45:23 --> 45:23 Yes. 45:23 --> 45:24 The I-Talians. 45:25 --> 45:26 Yeah. 45:26 --> 45:28 My first week in New Jersey, I went to a pizza place. 45:28 --> 45:32 I started eating a slice of pie, as they call it there. 45:32 --> 45:32 Yes. 45:32 --> 45:33 Just regularly. 45:34 --> 45:38 And the owner literally came up to my table and said I was eating it wrong. 45:39 --> 45:40 You didn't fold it, right? 45:40 --> 45:40 I didn't. 45:40 --> 45:40 Yeah. 45:40 --> 45:41 I didn't fold it. 45:41 --> 45:42 Yeah. 45:42 --> 45:42 Yeah. 45:43 --> 45:44 So, you were in Newark. 45:44 --> 45:46 That's, like, a pretty dangerous place, isn't it? 45:46 --> 45:47 Yeah. 45:47 --> 45:48 It is. 45:48 --> 45:50 You had to become pretty street pretty fast, huh? 45:51 --> 45:51 No. 45:51 --> 45:53 I'm clueless, Kyle. 45:53 --> 45:55 I'm not a very street-savvy person. 45:55 --> 45:56 I did get beat up. 45:57 --> 45:58 I never wised up. 45:59 --> 46:00 Yeah. 46:00 --> 46:03 Actually, I returned there with my wife. 46:04 --> 46:04 We went on our honeymoon. 46:04 --> 46:05 We went to the East Coast there. 46:06 --> 46:08 I thought, I'll show you, you know, where I lived. 46:08 --> 46:09 She would not get out of the car. 46:12 --> 46:14 And then, I'm like, I used to live in this building here. 46:14 --> 46:16 That's my picture in front of it. 46:16 --> 46:17 You're still recording. 46:17 --> 46:18 I thought your memory's out. 46:18 --> 46:19 Oh, it's fine. 46:19 --> 46:20 It's fine. 46:20 --> 46:21 Ruben's phone's still recording. 46:21 --> 46:22 It looks like mine might have kicked back in. 46:22 --> 46:23 We'll figure it out. 46:24 --> 46:25 But, uh... 46:25 --> 46:25 Oh, okay. 46:25 --> 46:25 Yeah. 46:25 --> 46:28 To quote the first flight announcer, 46:28 --> 46:29 All right. 46:29 --> 46:30 All right. 46:31 --> 46:33 It's time to end this episode. 46:34 --> 46:36 Kyle, it's been a pleasure having you on board. 46:36 --> 46:37 Yeah. 46:37 --> 46:38 Thank you very much, Kyle. 46:38 --> 46:39 Thank you. 46:39 --> 46:40 Ding, ding. 46:50 --> 46:51 Hi. 46:51 --> 46:52 I'm Kyle Peterson. 46:53 --> 46:55 Do you love animals? 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Enjoy some of the flying candy at Gloria's Pet Shop. 47:23 --> 47:53 Music playing. 47:53 --> 47:55 We'll probably have you back. 47:55 --> 47:56 Yeah. 47:56 --> 47:57 Ryan might fire me though. 47:57 --> 47:58 No, no, no, no, no. 47:59 --> 48:01 Hey, Kyle, it was good having you, brother. Truly. 48:01 --> 48:04 It was, like I said, I totally enjoyed myself. 48:04 --> 48:06 So thanks, guys, and have a good night. 48:06 --> 48:06 All right. 48:06 --> 48:07 Good night. 48:07 --> 48:07 Bye. 48:07 --> 48:08 All right. Bye. 48:08 --> 48:11 time.