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CELEBS NIGHTMARE: ‘KETAMINE QUEEN’ SELLS MATTHEW PERRY DEADLY DOSE, MAKING DEAL? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's a celebrities nightmare.
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Speaker 2: The so called ketamine queen who sells friends star Matthew
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Speaker 2: Perry that deadly dose of ketamine? Is she making a
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Speaker 2: deal in exchange for what is she talking to? The
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Speaker 2: Fed's naming names this as a so called new doctor death.
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Speaker 2: The doctor who was quote overseeing Matthew Perry's treatment is
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Speaker 2: back in his office. What he's not behind bars, He's
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Speaker 2: in his office treating other patients aka victims. I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 3: Did the drug dealer dub the ketamine Queen refer to
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Speaker 3: Matthew Perry by his friend's character name.
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Speaker 2: And that would be his affinity Matthew Perry's affinity with Batman,
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Speaker 2: and he would call himself matt Man. But according to sources,
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Speaker 2: the so called ketamine Queen Jasvine Songhaar referred to him
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Speaker 2: as Chandler in their texts and emails when they would
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Speaker 2: talk about drugs and drug deliveries code named Chandler.
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Speaker 1: Wow, that was a toughie.
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Speaker 2: A lot going down in the Matthew Perry case with
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Speaker 2: me an all star panel.
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Speaker 1: But let's just go back to reality listen.
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Speaker 4: Federal prosecutors allege that Perry first obtains ketamine from an
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Speaker 4: unscrupulous doctor aiming to take advantage of the actor's addiction issues.
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Speaker 4: Doctor Salvador Placentia teaches Perry's living assistant, Kenneth Ewa Masa,
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Speaker 4: how to administer the drug and provides ketamine to both
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Speaker 4: Perry and Ewa Masa at exorbitant prices. When the drugs
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Speaker 4: become too expensive, Perry and Ewa Maasa turned a street deals,
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Speaker 4: including Jazzvin's Songha dubbed the Ketamine Queen.
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Speaker 2: What There's a doctor who, by the way, is back
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Speaker 2: in his office.
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Speaker 1: Under one condition.
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Speaker 2: He's got to tell his patients aka victims that he
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Speaker 2: can no longer supply them with dea control substances.
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Speaker 1: Yes, he's back at work.
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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry is dead and he is not in a
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Speaker 2: jail cell. He is back at work. Let me understand
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Speaker 2: exactly what's happening. But first, there's no doubt about it.
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Speaker 2: In the last hours, a very dear and intimate friend
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Speaker 2: of Matthew Perry says she doesn't think that ketamine is
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Speaker 2: the cause of death. Why and what would be the
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Speaker 2: cause of death? And what leads her to say that
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Speaker 2: this is what the medical examiner has to say.
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Speaker 5: The Los Angeles Medical Examiner determined that fifty four year
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Speaker 5: old Matthew Perry died from the acute effects of ketamine.
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Speaker 5: Other contributing factors listed were drowning, coronary artery disease, and
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Speaker 5: the effects of buprenorphine. Buprenorphine is used to treat opioid
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Speaker 5: use disorder. The manner of death has been ruled an accident.
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Speaker 2: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 2: what we're learning right now, but with me a special guest.
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Speaker 2: Rowena Chew, activist and former assistant to Harvey Weinstein. His
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Speaker 2: name tastes like dirt in my mouth, convicted on multiple rapes,
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Speaker 2: and she has just written a New York Times guest essay,
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Speaker 2: I was a celebrity assistant.
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Speaker 1: The power and balance is very real. Rowena che thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. I enjoyed your article.
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Speaker 2: I read it several times over and I try to
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Speaker 2: compare what you're saying and your situation with Harvey Weinstein.
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Speaker 1: May he write an in hell two.
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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry's assistant Number one, Matthew Perry was not a
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Speaker 2: criminal I was not a rapist number one, But you
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Speaker 2: point out assistants often do things that are, let me
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Speaker 2: just say, legally and ethically questionable in your case, what
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Speaker 2: does that mean in my case?
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Speaker 6: I worked for Harvey for only a couple of months,
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Speaker 6: and so I didn't have the opportunity to do things
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Speaker 6: that were ethically and legally immoral. But I was making
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Speaker 6: the point that the power im balance is so huge
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Speaker 6: that assistants don't get the chance to say no.
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Speaker 2: You also pointed out a quote that compared assistants that
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Speaker 2: may do illegal acts or unethical acts to the guards
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Speaker 2: at Auschwitz that they you what was happening was wrong,
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Speaker 2: And you make a very subtle yet important distinction.
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Speaker 1: Expline a comparison was really with.
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Speaker 6: Ordinary folks that lived in Nazi Germany, whether or not
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Speaker 6: you can hold them accountable for the events that happened
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Speaker 6: in the country. So I'm really making a point about
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Speaker 6: bystanders that don't have any real power themselves, and they
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Speaker 6: are essentially visible, or they don't have an identity of
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Speaker 6: their own, and they don't have the autonomy to make decisions,
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Speaker 6: and so I feel that celebrity assistance. I also called
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Speaker 6: them Butler's I constantly felt that I was invisible. I
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Speaker 6: had no autonomy, frequently didn't really have a name of
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Speaker 6: my own. I would call people up and stay, I'm
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Speaker 6: calling from Harvey Weinstein's office, but I wouldn't mention my
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Speaker 6: own name because I was add insignificant. So when you're
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Speaker 6: in a power balance where you're that insignificant, I think
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Speaker 6: it is incredibly difficult to be then thrust into the
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Speaker 6: spotlight and held responsible for something serious as somebody's death.
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Speaker 6: I think that I am attempting to shed light on
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Speaker 6: the fact that Kenneth Iwamasa may have had absolutely zero
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Speaker 6: choice in a way that the ordinary person can't understand.
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Speaker 6: He was a living assistant. The power and balance would
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Speaker 6: have been enormous.
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Speaker 2: At the end of your article, I noted that you
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Speaker 2: stated it is often too easy to turn the butler
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Speaker 2: into the scapegoat. Do you believe that Matthew Perri's assisted
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Speaker 2: who injected him with that deadly dose is a scapeguy?
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Speaker 6: I think he may have been put in an incredibly
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Speaker 6: difficult situation. Not only was his employment on the line,
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Speaker 6: but likely his involvement in the industry as a whole.
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Speaker 6: It could have been that he did not have another residence,
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Speaker 6: and so as a living assistant, you know, really there's
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Speaker 6: a power back dynamic on many different levels. I also
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Speaker 6: think in the Weinstein case, at least, that there were
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Speaker 6: many circles of power, enablement and entitlement that were far
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Speaker 6: more deserving of perhaps the legal system going after than assistants.
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Speaker 6: For example, Harvey Weinstein had accountants and board members that
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Speaker 6: certainly knew of what was happening.
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Speaker 1: So I think the assistants.
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Speaker 6: I'm merely making the point that the assistants I suppose
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Speaker 6: are the lowest rum on the ladder, and I think
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Speaker 6: to hold them accountable and responsible for the actions taken
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Speaker 6: by a celebrity doesn't take into account the enormous power
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Speaker 6: difference between a celebrity and his assistant.
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Speaker 2: Rowena che Is joining US activist former assistant to Harvey Weinstein,
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Speaker 2: who has just written a guest essay four The Times
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Speaker 2: titled I would say celebrity assistant, The power in balance
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Speaker 2: is very real, Miss too. I deeply respect you and
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Speaker 2: what you have to say and your viewpoint, and I
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Speaker 2: highly highly disagree with you in your case or some
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Speaker 2: other assistance, not necessarily Weinstein's other assistants. Comparing that to
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Speaker 2: what Era Massa did in Perry's case, knowing that he
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Speaker 2: had had seizures just sixteen days where he was unable
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Speaker 2: to move or speak after eketamine injection, knowing that I
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Speaker 2: consider this much much more serious.
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Speaker 1: But I'll circle.
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Speaker 2: Back to you missed you in just one moment, and
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Speaker 2: again I do appreciate what you're saying, but I find
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Speaker 2: it vastly, vastly different than the case of Matthew Perry's assistant.
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Speaker 2: Speaking of the facts, let's go to KILEB. Brantley, joining
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Speaker 2: us investigative reporter with the Daily Mail, who's been on
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Speaker 2: this case from the very very beginning.
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Speaker 1: What I find very interesting right now is that it's
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Speaker 1: all business as usual.
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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry dies in the hot tub with a fatal overdose.
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Speaker 2: The doctor is already back at work taking patients like
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Speaker 2: nothing happened.
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Speaker 1: He had to put up like one hundred thousand dollars bond.
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Speaker 2: Really that's ten thousand dollars, and regular people talk you
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Speaker 2: put up ten percent.
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Speaker 1: He's gone, he's out. The so called ketamine queen has
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Speaker 1: not been sentenced.
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Speaker 2: The assistant, Kenneth Ewamasa, has not been sentenced.
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Speaker 1: Why I think that the Feds.
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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen a cat with a little mouse,
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Speaker 2: just back and forth and back and forth until it
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Speaker 2: bites its head off. I think that's what the FEDS
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Speaker 2: are doing right now. They're playing toying with the various
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Speaker 2: defendants in order to get them to talk to name
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Speaker 2: other celebrity doctors and other pill meals headed by doctors
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Speaker 2: in LA and other celebrities. I think that's what's happening.
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Speaker 2: But to you kill a Brandley Daily Mail? Tell me
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Speaker 2: the is we've got the doctor back to work. A
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Speaker 2: lot of people haven't been sentenced. The other celebrity doctors,
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Speaker 2: including one that just got shot in the last day
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Speaker 2: of Celebrity Doctor. He was assassinated in his parking lot
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Speaker 2: following all of the drama surrounding Matthew Perry's death and
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Speaker 2: what's being uncovered, hamid merschau Jay was shot in his
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Speaker 2: parking lot. He was a celeb doctor focusing on addiction.
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Speaker 2: But I bet a lot of celebrities and a list
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Speaker 2: doctors are quaking in their boots right now.
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Speaker 1: Kiela, what's happening?
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Nancy, So what we know so far, at least
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Speaker 7: when it comes to Matthew Perry, is that doctor salvagor defensia.
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Speaker 7: He is back practicing. He is forbidden by the Drug
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Speaker 7: Enforcement Administration the DEA prescribing controlled substances, turned over his
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Speaker 7: license that would let him prescribe, But he can still
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Speaker 7: practice medicine under certain conditions that he works at an
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Speaker 7: urgent care in Malibu, and the only difference now is
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Speaker 7: that his patients have to sign a written consent form
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Speaker 7: for treatment that basically acknowledges and discloses that he is
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Speaker 7: under investigation and lets him know what's going on. But
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Speaker 7: his patients can still see him. He can still practice.
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Speaker 7: The only difference is that he cannot provide, you know,
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Speaker 7: lethal doses of ketamine, as he is alleged to have
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Speaker 7: done to Matthew Perry. And the same goes for doctor
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Speaker 7: Mark Chavis has also surrendered his DEA license and therefore
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Speaker 7: cannot prescribe to control substances. However, these men are out
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Speaker 7: able to practice, able to you know, continue living their
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Speaker 7: daily lives. As you said, doctor Parfensia put up one
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Speaker 7: hundred thousand dollars bond and he's out. But they will
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Speaker 7: have to await sentencing and you know, see if they
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Speaker 7: can continue to live their life or feel face for.
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Speaker 2: Music, continue to live their lives. Caleb Bradley, Daily Mail.
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Speaker 2: Matthew Perry can't live his life, and he's not the
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Speaker 2: only one we now have. I identify two potential suspects,
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Speaker 2: but two potential victims, other victims of the ketamine queen.
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Speaker 1: Both dead.
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Speaker 2: But right now to Mike McCormick, owner lead investigator MCM Investigations,
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Speaker 2: former LAPD over twenty five years.
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Speaker 1: You can find him at.
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Speaker 2: MCMM, mother c corpus mmotherinvestigations dot com.
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Speaker 1: Mike really boohoo.
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Speaker 2: He can't prescribe control substances.
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Speaker 1: That's his punishment. He's back and his.
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Speaker 2: Fancy sports car and his fancy condo and his fancy
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Speaker 2: office to the stars, making money handover fist. He can't
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Speaker 2: prescribe de ea control substances, I guess not.
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Speaker 1: But you know what he can do.
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Speaker 2: He can illicitly get another doctor, a straw doctor as
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Speaker 2: it were, as it were, to write those prescriptions for him.
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Speaker 1: Let me think of an example.
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Speaker 2: Okay, psychologists cannot prescribe certain medications, right they can't. They
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Speaker 2: work in tandem with a psychiatrist and they get the
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Speaker 2: psychiatrist to write the prescription.
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Speaker 1: See what I mean? So he can be doing that.
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Speaker 2: He can have a straw dock actually write the prescriptions.
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Speaker 2: This is such bs. Why is he not in a jail?
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Speaker 2: Selle Perry is dead and you know what, everybody's talking
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Speaker 2: about his net worth. In fact, his home is being
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Speaker 2: remodeled near the hot tub man.
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Speaker 1: That's going right on the market. It's like it never.
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Speaker 8: Happened, exactly exactly. This is an outcome of a linear
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Speaker 8: justice system. Along with the fact that they're going to score.
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Speaker 8: We use this doctor for additional uh, doctors that are
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Speaker 8: doing this or sources.
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Speaker 3: You only die when you use needles. Matthew Perry's X
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Speaker 3: makes a shocking claim about his needle phobia, casting doubt
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Speaker 3: on his ketamine death.
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Speaker 4: The doctor directly implicated in Matthew Perry's ketamine overdose death
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Speaker 4: is still practicing. It is Calabasi's urgent care clinic, Doctor Salvador.
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Speaker 4: Placentia's clinic is open, but must advertise the details of
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Speaker 4: Placentia's current felony case at the front door. Placentia still
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Speaker 4: has an active medical license, However, the doctor has had
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Speaker 4: to surrender his DEA registration number and is not allowed
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Speaker 4: to prescribe controlled substances. Doctor Mark Chabez has been subjected
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Speaker 4: to the same restrictions.
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Speaker 1: Boo hoo.
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Speaker 2: As I said, this doc is back at his luxury practice,
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Speaker 2: and his luxury and his sports car live in the life.
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Speaker 1: Matthew Perry is dead. How can that be? Joining me?
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Speaker 2: Psychoanalyst to the Stars, Doctor Bethany Marshall, author of deal Breaker,
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Speaker 2: and you can also see her on peacock and find
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Speaker 2: her a doctor Bethany Marshall dot com dotor Bethany.
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Speaker 1: I want to circle back.
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Speaker 2: With you about how this doctor can continue treating celebrity
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Speaker 2: patients with the use of a straw doctor. How easy
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Speaker 2: that would be. But we now know this doctor. This
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Speaker 2: doctor knew very well that Matthew Perry had actually seized up.
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Speaker 1: In other words, he could.
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Speaker 2: Not speak or move for an extended period of time
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Speaker 2: to sixteen days before he died.
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Speaker 1: Yet everything was business as usual.
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Speaker 9: Listen details of Perry's last days in a federal indictment
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Speaker 9: reveal it was very clear to doctor Placentia that Perry's
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Speaker 9: ketemie injection were causing a total loss of awareness. The
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Speaker 9: indictment documents three separate occasions where Perry froze up after
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Speaker 9: receiving the medication, with Placentia commenting, let's not do that again.
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Speaker 10: Defendant Placentia knew full well the danger.
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Speaker 1: Of what he was doing.
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Speaker 10: In fact, on one occasion he injected mister Perry with
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Speaker 10: kenemie and he saw mister Perry freeze up and his
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Speaker 10: blood pressure spike. Despite that, he left additional vials of
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Speaker 10: ketamine for defendant Iwamasa to administer to mister Perry.
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Speaker 1: And he's free.
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Speaker 2: If you or I cause the death of a superstar
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Speaker 2: like Matthew Perry, we would be under the jail.
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Speaker 1: So why is he free?
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Speaker 2: And why is it very murky, very unclear as to
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Speaker 2: the status of the other defendants because the FEDS are
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Speaker 2: squeezing them to talk. That's why me Todd bar Doctor
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Speaker 2: Todd bar Board certified anatomic clinical forensic pathologist.
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Speaker 1: I'm very curious.
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Speaker 2: Oh yes, he's also featured in Thin Places Essays, Essays.
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Speaker 1: From in Between Doctor. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: I've been researching and investigating what exactly happened to Matthew
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Speaker 2: Perry when.
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Speaker 1: He quote froze. That's hardly a medical description.
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Speaker 2: But I've learned that there was apparently a significant spike
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Speaker 2: in his systolic blood blood pressure.
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Speaker 1: What does that mean?
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Speaker 11: Hi, Nancy, thank you. So a spike in his systolic
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Speaker 11: blood pressure just means that he is having a hypertensive crisis.
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Speaker 11: His blood pressure is elevated to a point.
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Speaker 2: Okay, right there, right there? What do you mean hypertensive crisis?
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Speaker 11: That means his blood pressure is at a high level,
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Speaker 11: high level that it could cause death. I mean people
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Speaker 11: die from extreme fluctuations in their blood pressure. Blood pressure
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Speaker 11: is supposed to live in an average in a normal range.
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Speaker 11: If you get too high, it's hypertensive. If you get
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Speaker 11: too low, it's hypotensive, and either of those hyper or
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Speaker 11: hypo can cause death.
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Speaker 2: So when he quote froze up, what does that indicate
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Speaker 2: to you? Is that some sort of a stroke or
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Speaker 2: a near stroke?
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Speaker 1: What's a systolic spike in blood pressure?
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Speaker 11: I would say the term froze up to me sounds
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Speaker 11: more like a seizure like activity, like a tonic chlonic
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Speaker 11: seizure where the muscles contract and you get into this.
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Speaker 11: Ketamine is actually known for its anti convulsive properties. It's
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Speaker 11: used to treat seizures, but in high doses it can
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Speaker 11: actually cause seizures, and as we know by the reports
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Speaker 11: that are out there. Mister Perry was administered extremely high
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Speaker 11: doses of this this drug ketamine, which is an anesthetic drug.
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Speaker 11: He was actually found with the levels that were compatible
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Speaker 11: with surgery and that you know, anesthesia that you would
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Speaker 11: need for surgical procedures.
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Speaker 2: It reminds me a great deal of Conrad Murray injecting
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Speaker 2: Michael Jackson with propofol, and it took you know, hell
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Speaker 2: and high water to get Conrad Murray charged and convicted.
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Speaker 2: But even that conviction was not enough to send sufficient
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Speaker 2: shot waves through the celebrity doctor network in Hollywood. And
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Speaker 2: now Matthew Perry is dead. You know it's Cala Brandtley's
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Speaker 2: joining me, investigative reporter with the Daily Mail.
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Speaker 1: Kela, I understand that the.
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Speaker 2: Doctor who is now living a life, he's not in
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Speaker 2: jail like everybody else, would be connected to a death.
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Speaker 2: He would provide the medication, the ketamine along with Kenemine
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Speaker 2: queen for the assistant to make at home ketamine injections. Now,
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Speaker 2: I heard what Rowena Chu said that the power balance
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Speaker 2: is way off. But shouldn't you know instinctively, especially after
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Speaker 2: Perry was having seizures just days before that you should
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Speaker 2: not be injecting ketamine to Matthew.
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Speaker 1: Perry at home.
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Speaker 2: I mean this assistant needs to be in jail along
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Speaker 2: with the doctor and the ketamine queen, the street supplier.
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Speaker 1: They all need to be in jail and we need
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Speaker 1: to know their sentences.
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Speaker 2: So what's happening, kil, I don't understand what's the whole right?
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Speaker 7: Well, Nanthy, I also want to break down exactly how
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Speaker 7: much kettymine was distributed to Matthew Perry. The doctors Chavis
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Speaker 7: and Placentia distributed twenty vials of keteymine to Perry for
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Speaker 7: fifty five thousand dollars in cash. That's charging him two
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Speaker 7: thousand dollars for a vial, and that vile cost doctor
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Speaker 7: Chavi is just twelve dollars. So you can imagine how
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Speaker 7: much money they were making off Perry. And that's the
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Speaker 7: point that the prosecutors were making. Now, the kenemy Queen Sanga,
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Speaker 7: she sold about fifty vials of the drugs to Perry
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Speaker 7: with Fleming delivering the product that the Eric Flemming, the
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Speaker 7: Hollywood producer, and they sold it to him for eleven
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Speaker 7: thousand dollars. So these people were making a lot of
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Speaker 7: money off of Perry's addiction, and they clearly knew, as
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Speaker 7: you said, he was seezing up. And then you had
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Speaker 7: the person who was injecting him, who was his trusted assistant.
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Speaker 7: So you make a great point that you know, these
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Speaker 7: people should be held accountable, and that's exactly what the
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Speaker 7: prosecutors are trying to do.
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Speaker 10: They distributed approximately twenty vials of ketamine to mister Perry
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Speaker 10: in exchange for fifty five thousand dollars in cash. Defendant
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Speaker 10: Placentia saw this as an opportunity to profit off of
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Speaker 10: mister Perry. He wrote in a text message in September
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Speaker 10: twenty twenty three, quote, I wonder how much this moron
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Speaker 10: will pay. He also stated in text messages that he
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Speaker 10: wanted to be mister Perry's sole source of supply. He
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Speaker 10: wrote in a text message that he wanted to be
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Speaker 10: mister Perry's quote go to for drugs.
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Speaker 3: Matthew Perry's assistant allegedly found Perry in similar circumstances two
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Speaker 3: times in the same week of his tragic.
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Speaker 2: Death, joining us Rowena Chew, former assistant to Harvey Weinstein,
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Speaker 2: who just wrote a New York Times guest essay I
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Speaker 2: was a celebrity assistant The power imbalance is very real.
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Speaker 2: You just heard other example that celebrity assistants have named.
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Speaker 2: Do you believe that in this case the assistant is
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Speaker 2: being scapegoated or do you believe he is rightfully being
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Speaker 2: prosecuted as it relates to Matthew Perry's death.
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Speaker 1: I do believe he's being scapegoated.
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Speaker 6: I mean, we just heard about how other players in
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Speaker 6: this system are making insane amounts of money, and I
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Speaker 6: asked you to think about what does the assistants stand
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Speaker 6: again in that equation, what.
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Speaker 1: Does the money had to do with it?
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Speaker 2: Rowena, Would it make it okay if he was paid
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Speaker 2: more money?
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Speaker 6: Oh no, absolutely not. I'm not saying that anybody was
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Speaker 6: doing anything right. However, there's a big difference between the
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Speaker 6: amounts of money the doctors and the drug dealers were
23:41
Speaker 6: making and what did the assistants stand to gain. I
23:43
Speaker 6: believe the assistant was just trying to survive. He wasn't
23:46
Speaker 6: making staggering amounts of money, and so therefore his incentive
23:49
Speaker 6: to do what he did was very different from the
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Speaker 6: doctors and the drug dealers. He wasn't out there trying
23:54
Speaker 6: to get something for himself. He was merely trying to
23:57
Speaker 6: survive his job. There's a big difference that.
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Speaker 2: So you believe the difference and whether he should be
24:03
Speaker 2: held criminally culpable is whether he was getting paid for
24:08
Speaker 2: shooting Matthew Perry up to his death.
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Speaker 6: I don't think that there's a huge incentive for him
24:14
Speaker 6: to push this agenda, and therefore I don't believe that
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Speaker 6: he was pushing the agenda. He was merely doing what
24:20
Speaker 6: he was told to do under incredibly strenuous circumstances. So
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Speaker 6: I'm merely saying that as a point of coercion, the
24:28
Speaker 6: assistant is not really this person who should be skapegoated.
24:32
Speaker 7: That there are.
24:32
Speaker 6: Layers of privilege and abuse of power that are far
24:35
Speaker 6: greater than that.
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Speaker 1: And you know, we.
24:37
Speaker 6: Can easily point to doctors and drug dealers who were
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Speaker 6: making vast amounts of money and had a huge incentive
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Speaker 6: to push this kind of an agenda.
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Speaker 2: And are actually still making vast amounts of money. Mike
24:47
Speaker 2: McCormick joining me lean investigator of MCM investigations in Hollywood.
24:52
Speaker 2: Mike McCormick, Oh, respect to Rowena Chew, but I think
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Speaker 2: that's complete BS.
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Speaker 1: I don't agree at all.
24:59
Speaker 2: Everybody Hollywood is making money off celebs. Celebs are making
25:04
Speaker 2: money off the studios. The studios are making money off
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Speaker 2: us and advertisers. That's how it works in Hollywood. It's
25:12
Speaker 2: like one bloodsucker sucking on the next bloodsucker.
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Speaker 1: Just like ticks, you know, stuck to the animal.
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Speaker 2: But Mike McCormick, why aren't they in jail number one?
25:26
Speaker 2: And what do you make of what Rowena is saying
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Speaker 2: that the assistant is the scapegoat. I think they should
25:34
Speaker 2: all be put in the same pot to boil and
25:37
Speaker 2: all be tried together as it relates to Perry's death.
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Speaker 8: Well, I don't think the assistant is being scapegoaded. I
25:45
Speaker 8: just think he was being more loyal, just doing what
25:53
Speaker 8: what the boss wanted him to do. It had nothing
25:56
Speaker 8: to do with money, with job security and loyalty.
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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on to some moment, doctor Manthony Marshall. Maybe
26:03
Speaker 2: I'm not articulating my point that, well, the assistant lives
26:07
Speaker 2: in a mansion, he makes plenty of money, he rubs
26:11
Speaker 2: elbows with all of the stars, he drives a beautiful
26:16
Speaker 2: luxury car. Maybe I'm not understanding his poor conditions. I
26:20
Speaker 2: don't see it, Nancy.
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Speaker 12: I have a unique perspective on this because these assistants
26:25
Speaker 12: sometimes come to my office. One in particular was the
26:28
Speaker 12: major domo for one of the wealthiest men in the
26:30
Speaker 12: world and had to stand around serving palomas to the
26:35
Speaker 12: family all day long alcoholic beverages, and he became so
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Speaker 12: disgusted because one of the family members was drunk.
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Speaker 1: All day long. He was traumatized.
26:45
Speaker 12: He came to therapy and said, I just cannot do
26:48
Speaker 12: this anymore, and he left the job. So, yes, these
26:52
Speaker 12: assistants are vulnerable in the sense that they often do
26:57
Speaker 12: things they don't want to do, but they do have
26:59
Speaker 12: agency in the world. And I think in particular, when
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Speaker 12: you are potentially committing homicide, that's a breach of duty.
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Speaker 1: That's lack of.
27:10
Speaker 12: Judgment that a ten year old knows not to do.
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Speaker 8: Right.
27:14
Speaker 12: We just know basically, you don't kill somebody if you
27:18
Speaker 12: administer a drug. They sees you don't administer the drug.
27:22
Speaker 1: Again.
27:23
Speaker 12: I mean, I'm sorry, but this assistant could have gone
27:26
Speaker 12: and worked at a bar would probably I would prefer
27:30
Speaker 12: to scrub floors than to inject somebody with a substance
27:35
Speaker 12: that could kill them. It is just common sense. Of course,
27:38
Speaker 12: there's a power imbalance. Of course, there's a power in
27:41
Speaker 12: balance in life for all of.
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Speaker 2: Us exactly, you know, Caleb Brantley, I want to follow
27:47
Speaker 2: up on what doctor Bethany is saying. Caleb Brantley joining
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Speaker 2: us from Daily Mail call, and we understand that Matthew
27:53
Speaker 2: Perry's mansion is being renovated, especially around the hot tub,
27:59
Speaker 2: the pool air where he died.
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Speaker 1: It seems as.
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Speaker 2: If for Hollywood, including the prosecutors, it's just business as usual.
28:07
Speaker 2: The doctor is back and his clinic treating patients and
28:12
Speaker 2: making a ton of money. There are no sentences on
28:16
Speaker 2: the people that have agreed to plead guilty. It just
28:21
Speaker 2: seems as if everyone's acting as though nothing happened.
28:26
Speaker 1: Matthew Perry is dead.
28:28
Speaker 2: These people, according to the Feds, are responsible. Why aren't
28:34
Speaker 2: they behind bars, Killa, And what if anything can you
28:38
Speaker 2: tell me about when these people are going to jail?
28:42
Speaker 2: And one other question. Apparently one of Perry's intimate friends
28:48
Speaker 2: states that he Perry was deathly afraid of needles, and
28:55
Speaker 2: she is questioning the real cood Killa.
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Speaker 1: Listen.
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Speaker 4: One of Perry's former assistants and ex girlfriend, Katie Edwards,
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Speaker 4: says she does not believe Perry could have possibly been
29:05
Speaker 4: taking ketamine. Edwards describes Perry's intense fear of needles, saying
29:10
Speaker 4: he wouldn't even consider a tattoo due to the phobia.
29:13
Speaker 4: Edwards was no stranger to Perry's addiction and told him
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Speaker 4: he would die in an argument over his drug use.
29:18
Speaker 4: Perry's response quote, you only die when you use needles,
29:21
Speaker 4: and I would never ever do that.
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Speaker 1: Callen Brantley, what about it?
29:25
Speaker 2: This person an intimate friend of Perry's, raising the specter
29:29
Speaker 2: of another cood cause of death.
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Speaker 7: I understand that, Nancy, But it was Katie Edwards. She
29:35
Speaker 7: dated him back in two thousand and six, worked as
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Speaker 7: an assistant until like twenty eleven, so while they were
29:41
Speaker 7: still friends, they hadn't dated in a while. And I
29:44
Speaker 7: understand that she said that he had a fear of this.
29:47
Speaker 7: But Matthew Perry himself had written in his book about
29:51
Speaker 7: these ketamine infusions that he was taking and how it
29:54
Speaker 7: felt and how it was helping him. So I personally
29:57
Speaker 7: am not so sure of that there. And you do
30:01
Speaker 7: have his assistant and everyone basically admitting to injecting him.
30:06
Speaker 7: And back to your point of why aren't these people
30:10
Speaker 7: you know behind bars and what's going on. I think
30:12
Speaker 7: right now it's just a waiting game. We have had
30:15
Speaker 7: clea deals which have gotten us more information from the assistant,
30:18
Speaker 7: from the friend, from one of the doctors, so I
30:21
Speaker 7: think we will be seeing more in due time. There
30:24
Speaker 7: will be a sentence there. They will end up facing
30:27
Speaker 7: the consequences of their actions.
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Speaker 3: The FEDS say there are likely more victims of the
30:39
Speaker 3: infamous Ketamine Queen.
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Speaker 2: Apparently, celebrities and celebrity doctors alike across Hollywood are quaking
30:48
Speaker 2: in their boots, afraid that the so called Ketamine Queen
30:53
Speaker 2: is going to rat them out in exchange for a
30:56
Speaker 2: sweetheart deal from the Fedes. The so called ketamine Queen,
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Speaker 2: the one that supplied Matthew Perry with the deadly dose
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Speaker 2: of ketamine that ended in his death. Are there other victims?
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Speaker 1: Yes, listen.
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Speaker 9: Jasvien Sogha sells Cody mclowery several vials of ketamine. Later
31:17
Speaker 9: that same day, mclowry's family finds him dead. A family
31:21
Speaker 9: member tells Sangha her ketamine caused mclowry's overdose death, and
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Speaker 9: Songha googles can ketamine be listed as a cause of death?
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Speaker 4: There are likely more victims. Eric Fleming who reportedly acted
31:33
Speaker 4: as a program director at the bell Air rehab Red Door,
31:36
Speaker 4: also had a resident die on his watch. William Cooney,
31:39
Speaker 4: thirty six, was found dead of a fentayl overdose in
31:42
Speaker 4: his bathroom at the facility.
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Speaker 2: So those are two alleged victims, two more victims of
31:48
Speaker 2: the ketamine Queen. That makes three if those two victims
31:51
Speaker 2: are to be believed. In fact, Cody's family is speaking
31:55
Speaker 2: out against the ketamine Queen.
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Speaker 1: And is she talking?
32:01
Speaker 2: Is she making a deal with the fedes to get
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Speaker 2: a light sentence in exchange for ratting out other slips
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Speaker 2: and other doctors? Man, she needs a lot of money
32:12
Speaker 2: to support this lifestyle. So what is the connection between
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Speaker 2: the Ketemine Queen and the other alleged victims?
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Speaker 1: All dead?
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Speaker 13: Coming to light are Brooke Mueller's deep ties to suspects
32:26
Speaker 13: Flemming and Sogha. Mueller spent time with Soanghai in one
32:29
Speaker 13: of her many rehabs Dens, and Fleming is reportedly a
32:32
Speaker 13: godfather to one of Mueller's children. Mueller reportedly pressured then
32:36
Speaker 13: boyfriend William Cooney to join her at pal Fleming's rehab program,
32:39
Speaker 13: where Cooney overdosed and died Mueller may well have introduced
32:43
Speaker 13: Fleming and Songha to Perry as shortcuts to feed his addiction.
32:47
Speaker 13: Federal prosecutors report that Mueller is cooperating with the investigation
32:51
Speaker 13: and is not facing any charges.
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Speaker 2: Let me understand, Cala Brandtley joining us from dailymail dot com.
32:56
Speaker 2: The so called ketamine queen Songha meets up with who
33:06
Speaker 2: and rehab? Let me say, is Britton Mueller, who apparently
33:09
Speaker 2: was very close to Matthew Perry. Now how does that
33:12
Speaker 2: connect and to Songhaw the dealer.
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Speaker 7: Well, all roads are kind of leading back to Jasen Sogha,
33:18
Speaker 7: the Kennymine queen. She was a supplier of multiple people.
33:22
Speaker 7: And now we do find this connection between Brooke Mueller,
33:25
Speaker 7: who spent time with Matthew Perry in rehab. They were
33:29
Speaker 7: close friends. And then we have Eric Flemming, who was
33:34
Speaker 7: a director at the rehab center where this man William
33:38
Speaker 7: Cooney had passed away. So this all is a circular
33:43
Speaker 7: connection of going back to Sogha and I'm have been
33:47
Speaker 7: on the radar for a while. Back in March twenty
33:50
Speaker 7: twenty four, the Fed raided her house and they called
33:53
Speaker 7: it a drug imporium. These seventy nine bottles that some
33:57
Speaker 7: had tested positive for kennymine. So this is no surprise
34:00
Speaker 7: that Ja Zinfanga is involved in this Matthew Perry case.
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Speaker 2: Now two more alleged victims of this woman living the
34:10
Speaker 2: high life that supplied the deadly dose to Matthew Perry.
34:13
Speaker 2: Now would he be her third victim? Why has it
34:19
Speaker 2: taken that to bring her to justice? Are those investigations ongoing?
34:25
Speaker 1: Now?
34:26
Speaker 2: This, by far is not the first time a celebrity
34:30
Speaker 2: has died with enablers circling them like vultures.
34:34
Speaker 1: Listen, now, how are you doing it?
34:37
Speaker 14: With security from Burverlely Hilton, Hi, I need to a paramedic.
34:40
Speaker 14: Farently I've got a forty six year old female I
34:42
Speaker 14: found in the bathroom to fellow guy right now, But
34:44
Speaker 14: they're requesting paramedic crew. Okay, pary fell about them. I
34:46
Speaker 14: love rimscandel. I'm not sure if you, fellow, if she
34:48
Speaker 14: was in the bathroom with the water four four four
34:51
Speaker 14: three four. I'm sorry that room four three fourth yet. Okay,
34:54
Speaker 14: they're not quest or anything else. There's room four three
34:56
Speaker 14: four thirty four. Yeah, okay, you don't know see a
34:58
Speaker 14: country of anything at all. Apparently she wasn't breathing and
35:01
Speaker 14: she's toy secured he was not breathing.
35:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, Whitney Houston surrounded by enablers. Ultimately it cost her
35:07
Speaker 2: her life. Then there is John Belushi, one of the
35:11
Speaker 2: greatest comedians that ever lived. He was shot up with
35:15
Speaker 2: drugs at the Chateau Marmont and his assistant did hard
35:21
Speaker 2: jail time after shooting him up. Bobby Christina Whitney's daughter od.
35:27
Speaker 2: It goes on and on and on. Of course, Michael Jackson,
35:33
Speaker 2: Aaron Carter, Chris Farley went to rehab sixteen times. His
35:39
Speaker 2: younger brother finds him dead in his apartment. Of course,
35:44
Speaker 2: Prince died of a deadly opioid injection. Goes all the
35:48
Speaker 2: way back to Elvis, China, Amy Winehouse and a Nicole
35:56
Speaker 2: spiraled down a drug hole while everyone supported that and
36:02
Speaker 2: enabled her. Kurt Cobain, River Phoenix. It goes on and on,
36:10
Speaker 2: and the enablers are never brought to justice. Straight out
36:15
Speaker 2: to Mike McCormick. Mcm investigations, don't you know the ketamine
36:22
Speaker 2: Queen and all of them, They're like rats on a
36:25
Speaker 2: sinking ship, are ready to deal, ready to name names, addresses,
36:31
Speaker 2: phone numbers, little black books to save their own skin.
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Speaker 1: You don't think they're talking to the Feds right now?
36:37
Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely yeah, They're gonna tell them everything they want
36:41
Speaker 8: to know to stay out of jail.
36:43
Speaker 2: As we go to air, we learn that there are
36:46
Speaker 2: vultures circling Matthew Perry. Yes, his clothing, his wardrobe, his
36:55
Speaker 2: sofa and other memorabilia report up for auction, again like
37:04
Speaker 2: vultures circling a carcass. This, as we learned, there's a
37:09
Speaker 2: hold on sentencing for some of the defendants that have
37:13
Speaker 2: already agreed to plead guilty.
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Speaker 1: Why Why and why is his.
37:18
Speaker 2: Doctor the one that allowed the fatal dose that killed him?
37:24
Speaker 2: Why is he back at work as if nothing happened,
37:28
Speaker 2: business as usual. Joining me an all star panel to
37:32
Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now? Do you
37:35
Speaker 2: believe Calea Brantley that this signals the beginning of a
37:40
Speaker 2: celebrity a celebrity doctor cracked down.
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Speaker 7: I think it's very possible, Nancy, especially now that we
37:45
Speaker 7: have people who are making clee feels. You could see
37:49
Speaker 7: them speak and tell you know, their networks of people
37:53
Speaker 7: and connections, and this could be the craft out at
37:55
Speaker 7: the beginning of a bunch of doctors who are prescribing
37:58
Speaker 7: people deadly, deadly medications. We have from the pleas so far,
38:05
Speaker 7: people admitting, including his assistant, to covering up and cleaning
38:09
Speaker 7: up this scene by getting rid of syringes and ketamine
38:13
Speaker 7: vials that's according to the pre agreement, and telling each
38:17
Speaker 7: other to delete things. So we see an orchestrated system
38:21
Speaker 7: from these people who are trying to get away with
38:23
Speaker 7: clearly knowing that they did something wrong.
38:25
Speaker 2: To Todd Barr joining us, doctor Barr, board certified and
38:29
Speaker 2: atomic clinical forensic pathologist, Doctor Barr, what do you notice
38:34
Speaker 2: about the death certificate?
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Speaker 11: So, Nancy, I have a lot of real issues with
38:40
Speaker 11: the way this case was decided. As a forensic expert,
38:46
Speaker 11: I have been involved in prosecutions of crimes that involved
38:49
Speaker 11: other people distributing or administering drugs to a victim. The
38:55
Speaker 11: very definition of a homicide is death at the hands
38:59
Speaker 11: of enough period, whether it's by omission or comission. In
39:04
Speaker 11: this case, comission. They brought in drugs, they injected them
39:09
Speaker 11: into Matthew Perry's body. They should be charged with a homicide.
39:14
Speaker 11: They should be charged with murder straight up, everyone that's involved. Now,
39:18
Speaker 11: the second part of this is the official cause of
39:21
Speaker 11: death was listed as the acute effects of ketamine, and
39:25
Speaker 11: then other conditions or contributing conditions included drowning. Now, there
39:30
Speaker 11: are certain stigmata of drowning that you see at autopsy.
39:34
Speaker 11: If those are present, then a drowning occurred. So Matthew
39:38
Speaker 11: Perry's death is literally because of drowning. But then there's
39:43
Speaker 11: a part b or drowning due to the intoxicating effects
39:50
Speaker 11: of ketamine.
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Speaker 1: So he was so.
39:52
Speaker 11: Dissociative and esthetized that he slipped under the water. If
39:56
Speaker 11: they're going to list drowning as a contributing factor, then
39:59
Speaker 11: that that means they had evidence that he drowned. So
40:02
Speaker 11: it should have been listed as a drowning number one
40:05
Speaker 11: due to the effects of ketamine, and the manner of
40:08
Speaker 11: death should have been listed as homicide.
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Speaker 1: So I have a.
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Speaker 11: Very strong opinion about the way this death certificate was worded,
40:16
Speaker 11: and I believe that sometimes when it's worded this way,
40:19
Speaker 11: defendants get off a lot easier. Now I don't know
40:23
Speaker 11: if in LA they have something going where they were
40:26
Speaker 11: these death certificates in a way so people get off
40:29
Speaker 11: a little easier, But that's my take too.
40:31
Speaker 2: Rowena che joining us former assistant to Harvey Weinstein, now activists,
40:36
Speaker 2: who has just written a New York Times guest essay
40:39
Speaker 2: called I was a celebrity assistant. The power and balance
40:42
Speaker 2: is very real. Thought to you, Rowena, what do you make.
40:46
Speaker 1: Of it all?
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Speaker 6: I think there are levels of power that we could
40:49
Speaker 6: go after that are much more intense than that of
40:51
Speaker 6: the assistant. I think the assistant, being the lowest run
40:53
Speaker 6: on the ladder, probably is the last person that anyone
40:56
Speaker 6: should go after because he has read a little autonomy.
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Speaker 6: I'm not saying that no one should be held accountable.
41:02
Speaker 6: I'm saying that there are levels of power above him
41:05
Speaker 6: that should be accountable before he is.
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Speaker 2: Guys, we wait as justice unfolds in Matthew Perry's case.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,