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Eric Gee · Postcards to the Universe

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Speaker 2: have a really cool guest today, Eric Gee. He is
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Speaker 2: a personality based life coach. Truthfully, we want to hear
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Speaker 2: You can find the shows there. A little bit about me.
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Speaker 2: I'm an author, I'm a photographer. I have a book
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Speaker 2: titled Postcards to the Universe, Harness the Universe's power and
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Speaker 2: let me get to my guest right away, So I'm
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Speaker 2: going to read you a little bit of his bio.
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Speaker 2: Eric Gee has administered personality based life coaching for more
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Speaker 2: than twenty years. He built a successful education company that
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Speaker 2: used his personality typing method to better the lives of
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Speaker 2: more than twenty thousand students, parents, and teachers. He has
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Speaker 2: devoted the last two decades of his life to helping
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Speaker 2: people forge a path to success that works for them.
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Speaker 2: He founded an education company with individualized growth as its
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Speaker 2: mission statement. He has coached teachers on how to work
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Speaker 2: with their students' personal needs, and provided business professionals in
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Speaker 2: leadership and non leadership roles. As creator of Utopia Project
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Speaker 2: dot com. More than half a million users have benefited
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Speaker 2: from his teachings since the website's creation in twenty sixteen.
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Speaker 2: His book The Power of Personality is the culmination of
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Speaker 2: decades of research and application. He has personality typed over
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Speaker 2: fifty thousand people during his career.
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Speaker 3: The main takeaway our.
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Speaker 2: Relationship to others will only be as healthy as our
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Speaker 2: relationship to ourselves. Isn't not the truth And if you
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Speaker 2: want to find out more about him, you could go
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Speaker 2: to his website, which is project utopia dot com. I'm
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Speaker 2: gonna spell it for you www dot project p r
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Speaker 2: o j e C t utopia you t O p
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Speaker 3: Welcome Eric, thanks so much for being here with me today.
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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me Melyssa, I'm glad to be here.
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Speaker 2: I am glad that I can still do the show.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, I've laryngitis. But you know what we want
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Speaker 2: to hear from Eric anyway, so.
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Speaker 3: It's it's fine.
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Speaker 2: So I just thought it was really interesting because I
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Speaker 2: in my own mind and just from experience, you know,
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Speaker 2: you see certain people with their personalities and you see
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Speaker 2: how successful they are, and you can see it and
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Speaker 2: you can understand it because their personality is like they're
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Speaker 2: so charming, they know how to grab people, they know
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Speaker 2: how to like.
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Speaker 3: Work a room.
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Speaker 2: You know, and then you have other people and not
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Speaker 2: saying one is better than the other, but other people
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Speaker 2: struggle because maybe they're super shy and they don't like
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Speaker 2: to put themselves out there. So can you share, Like,
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Speaker 2: how did you get into personality typing?
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Speaker 3: People? Like what like sparked that for you?
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Speaker 4: You know, I guess it all he starts like we're
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Speaker 4: with everyone else, It starts with ourselves, right, Like I
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Speaker 4: think when I was a kid, you know, I found
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Speaker 4: that I had a different personality than the majority of people.
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Speaker 4: And that's not a good thing generally. I think a
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Speaker 4: lot of people will say, like, oh, I want to
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Speaker 4: feel special, and I think people want to feel special
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Speaker 4: until they are special quote unquote and not like everyone else,
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Speaker 4: and then you feel awful. And I kind of felt
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Speaker 4: that way, not awful, but I felt like I was
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Speaker 4: a little different, and I wanted to delve into that
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Speaker 4: and wonder why my value system and the things that
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Speaker 4: I prioritize or maybe a little different than my classmates
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Speaker 4: to the kids who around me. And I discovered personality
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Speaker 4: typing and different personality types. And I think there's a huge,
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Speaker 4: like centuries of history of people like researching this kind
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Speaker 4: of thing, or at least studying this kind of thing.
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Speaker 4: And I kind of read a bunch of different methodologies,
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Speaker 4: and as you read in that bio, like I started
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Speaker 4: my own education company and through that I developed my
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Speaker 4: own methodology through practical experience. You know, we work with
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Speaker 4: one thousand students a year, so you're going to get
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Speaker 4: a lot of case studies. And then I could also
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Speaker 4: see how their parents might be different personalities than the students.
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Speaker 4: So how did that work out, how our teachers might
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Speaker 4: be different personalities the students, and how that conflict works
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Speaker 4: itself out. And at the end of the day, like
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Speaker 4: I started realizing that, you know, when we value different things,
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Speaker 4: that's an automatic cause for conflict. And I think we
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Speaker 4: just need to understand those that that we can't change,
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Speaker 4: that we shouldn't be changing our values. We just have
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Speaker 4: to understand that other people have different values than our own.
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Speaker 2: Right, So so you said something that you started with yourself,
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Speaker 2: frol So what is your personality type and then what
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Speaker 2: kind of like how many personality types are there? And
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Speaker 2: how do you drift? How do you see the differences?
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Speaker 2: How do we see the differences?
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Speaker 4: So not to get two technical, even though at all
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Speaker 4: events up that way. I separate people into four different
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Speaker 4: personality packs I call them, and then within those packs,
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Speaker 4: like a pack of animals, I generally call it that, Yeah,
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Speaker 4: like a pack of because there are are within those
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Speaker 4: packs are four separate animal personality types. So four times
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Speaker 4: four means sixteen. So I think that's probably a million
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Speaker 4: number for anyone who's done a lot of study with
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Speaker 4: personality types. Sixteen is like the MBTI configuration. But the
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Speaker 4: difference is I go about diagnosing it differently. I think
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Speaker 4: when you start discovering that there are four different packs
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Speaker 4: of people in each one of those packs prioritizes a
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Speaker 4: different value, and one of those packs makes up a
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Speaker 4: majority of the people in the population, then I think
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Speaker 4: you start seeing the reason why we have certain kinds
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Speaker 4: of conflict. You know, like if the majority of people
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Speaker 4: prioritize safety and security, then you can see that. Right.
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Speaker 4: We see that in life, right, like what do we taught?
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Speaker 4: What are we taught when we're in elementary school? Like
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Speaker 4: these are the rules for all the rules. Don't get
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Speaker 4: don't go for too far out the box. That's dangerous,
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Speaker 4: and that's a good thing. I think it's good for
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Speaker 4: elementary school teachers to focus on, like creating a safe
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Speaker 4: environment for kids to work. However, the downside is that
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Speaker 4: it tells other kids who may not share those values
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Speaker 4: that maybe they're doing something wrong or they want something
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Speaker 4: that they shouldn't. And I think that's specifically very unhealthy
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Speaker 4: for kids to grow up thinking.
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Speaker 2: So what are the four different packs and what's the
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Speaker 2: most common. You said that most of the population is
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Speaker 2: this one? Certain, It's like, what are the what's the traits.
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Speaker 5: Of that pack?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? So I you know, I split those up into
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Speaker 4: what we'd call, I guess evolutionary, Like if we'd imagine
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Speaker 4: the medieval village, right, what roles would we have in
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Speaker 4: that village? So the first one and the one that
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Speaker 4: you'd have the most of our gatherers people bring in
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Speaker 4: the harvest, right, and so I call them gathers. They
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Speaker 4: make about half the population, and they prioritize safety and security.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 4: Then there's a third of the village that are hunters. Okay,
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Speaker 4: and I think we all know what hunters do, and
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Speaker 4: they prioritize excitement, They prioritize like getting the most visceral
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Speaker 4: sensation out of life. So hunting is you know clearly
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Speaker 4: something that has benefited from someone who feels that way. Right,
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Speaker 4: So if you think about them making a third of
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Speaker 4: population and gatherers making about half the population, that's almost
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Speaker 4: like eighty five percent of people right there. But even
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Speaker 4: there you can see like the mental conflict. Right if
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Speaker 4: you have a parent who wants their kid to be safe,
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Speaker 4: and all their kid wants to do is you know,
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Speaker 4: play on the monkey bars because it's fun and exciting,
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Speaker 4: then there's automatic conflict writing. And then the other two
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Speaker 4: I call the minority pack because there's not that many
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Speaker 4: of them. Are the Shamans and the Smiths and Shawmans
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Speaker 4: prioritize self knowledge like learning about themselves, teaching other people
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Speaker 4: how to learn about themselves, and then Smith's prioritize information,
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Speaker 4: so just cold objective data.
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Speaker 3: Huh, that's interesting.
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Speaker 2: So can you have like a dominant personality pack type?
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Speaker 3: And then like can you have more than one?
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Speaker 2: You know, like if you feel like, oh, I'm more
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Speaker 2: the gatherer, but I'm also a smith, you know, let's say.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't believe that people can share
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Speaker 4: a pack just because the values are so different. I
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Speaker 4: think we can borrow from other peop people, but at
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Speaker 4: the end of the day, like someone who when you
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Speaker 4: get to gather together with the smith, the gatherer is
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Speaker 4: going to think the smith is an apple, and the
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Speaker 4: smith is going to think that the gatherer is very
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Speaker 4: short sighted. And that's almost without a doubt, that's how
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Speaker 4: they're going to look at each other.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, I can see what you're saying.
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Speaker 2: So the ideas of those pop psychology ideas that we've
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Speaker 2: always had, like you know, oh he's an extrovert, Oh
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Speaker 2: she's an introvert, or your type a personality or an
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Speaker 2: alpha or you know, it goes by your birth order,
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Speaker 2: like you know, the oldest is always, like they say.
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Speaker 3: The most independent, and.
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Speaker 2: The youngest is the one who is the most spoiled.
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Speaker 2: You know, Like we have all these ideas. What do
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Speaker 2: you think about all of that? Do you think that's
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Speaker 2: like overblown? Do you think that those are myths or
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Speaker 2: it's just like a pop culture thing.
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Speaker 4: I think they are right sometimes, but it's one of
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Speaker 4: those things where a broken clock is right twice a day, right,
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Speaker 4: where like now this is more common. Like when you
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Speaker 4: think of gatherers making a half the population, they value
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Speaker 4: safety and security in one of the ways that they
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Speaker 4: make society safe is by following a certain structure and
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Speaker 4: a certain set of rules. And people follow their duty
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Speaker 4: and follow their obligations and the responsibilities. And so if
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Speaker 4: you have the oldest sibling, if your oldest sibling is
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Speaker 4: a gather, they will one hundred percent follow what we
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Speaker 4: think of as the older child's indrome. They will be
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Speaker 4: the responsible one. They will like can create structure. They
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Speaker 4: will take care of their younger siblings. And that's going
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Speaker 4: to be correct about half the time. So I think
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Speaker 4: that's part of the reason why it became so popular
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Speaker 4: is I think people often had older siblings who were
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Speaker 4: gathers at least half the time, and they're like, oh, okay,
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Speaker 4: this is exactly how older children are. Me myself, my
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Speaker 4: oldest sibling was not a gatherer. She was a hunter,
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Speaker 4: and so I can definitely tell you without a doubt
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Speaker 4: that that is not true. Hunters are not ones who,
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Speaker 4: like you know, take responsibility for the younger siblings. They're
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Speaker 4: more like, no, I'm going to do this because it's fun.
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Speaker 4: And that's also really cool because having a younger or
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Speaker 4: an older sibling the hunter was really exciting because she
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Speaker 4: was always like, hey, let's try this, let's experiment. Let's
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Speaker 4: do this, Let's jump into the situation. You know, so
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Speaker 4: I think in general, I think that that's birth order
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Speaker 4: came about because I guess half the time it's right,
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Speaker 4: But it's only because gatherers make a path the population.
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Speaker 2: So let's let's talk a little bit about age pack.
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Speaker 2: So okay, so you said the gatherers. So what are
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Speaker 2: some of the traits that the gatherers have and like.
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Speaker 3: What kinds of jobs.
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Speaker 2: Do they find themselves in usually, I mean, obviously nothing
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Speaker 2: is one hundred percent, but or that is good for
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Speaker 2: their personality type, I should.
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Speaker 4: Say, yeah, you know, like they are really responsible and
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Speaker 4: once again, I'm gonna say a lot of positive things.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that other packs can't be responsible as well,
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Speaker 4: but these are the things that'll stand out with gatherers,
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Speaker 4: right because they value safety and security, and they tend
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Speaker 4: to be pre organized. They value structure. They like having
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Speaker 4: I want to say they always like having the nine
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Speaker 4: to five, but they definitely like knowing where they're going
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Speaker 4: to be tomorrow and the next day and the day
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Speaker 4: after that. Like they do not want like crazy things
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Speaker 4: flying at them every day where they have to change
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Speaker 4: up their mL so jobs. They're very detail oriented. They
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Speaker 4: do not mind doing the same thing over and over
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Speaker 4: again and grinding. I associate them as being grinders. They're
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Speaker 4: very industrious, they work very hard, they work very consistently.
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Speaker 4: So you know, any jobs that you know, I always
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Speaker 4: like say that people will do what they want to do,
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Speaker 4: and then if they like doing that, then they're going
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Speaker 4: to do it more often and they're going to get
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Speaker 4: good at it. So I think jobs where people can
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Speaker 4: have like a set kind of thing every day, like
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Speaker 4: let's say a pharmacist or a structural engineer, just to
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Speaker 4: name a few jobs that gatherers really thrive in.
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Speaker 3: Woul a teacher fall under a gatherer somebody.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, especially yeah, yeah, especially elementary school teachers. Like when
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Speaker 4: you think of elementary school teachers specifically, I always think
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Speaker 4: of like, oh, it's it's Halloween times, so we're gonna
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Speaker 4: put Halloween decorations. Oh wait, it's Thanksgiving time. We're gonna
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Speaker 4: Like they're so good at that, and they do it
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Speaker 4: every single year because they're trying to give kids a
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Speaker 4: sense of some a sense of normalcy where it's like, yeah,
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Speaker 4: every October, we're gonna do this. Every November we're gonna
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Speaker 4: do this every December. We're gonna do this because I
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Speaker 4: do think that makes us feel safe. And I think
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Speaker 4: as you get further into the ranks of like teaching
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Speaker 4: in terms of I don't mean ranks, but like as
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Speaker 4: you get older, like junior high teachers might because you'll
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Speaker 4: start seeing a little bit more different personalities. Especially in
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Speaker 4: the college realm, you'll see a lot more Smiths and Shawmans.
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Speaker 4: But for the most part, elementary school teachers, I'd say
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Speaker 4: eighty percent are probably gatherers, which is the reason why
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Speaker 4: when we go to elementary school, the first thing we
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Speaker 4: learn are the rules, right, Like what are the rules?
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Speaker 4: This is where you put your name, This is where
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Speaker 4: you put the date, you know, things like that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the mud.
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Speaker 2: You say that pass the population of the world are gathers.
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Speaker 2: You would say about fifty percent. You think, Hello, did
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Speaker 2: I lose you?
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Speaker 3: Eric? Okay?
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Speaker 4: Sorry that hello? Hello, Sorry I got sorry, I got
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Speaker 4: disconnected there, yeah Michault, No.
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Speaker 3: Okay, no worries, You're back.
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Speaker 2: So what I asked was, do you think that half
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Speaker 2: of the population of the world are gatherers?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd say about that much. You know, obviously these
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Speaker 4: are approximate figures, but you know, we worked with a
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Speaker 4: thousand kids a year, so it's just overall and great.
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Speaker 4: The cool thing was we worked with a lot of
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Speaker 4: public schools, so it was just basically every single person
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Speaker 4: in the population, so we can kind of like just
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Speaker 4: from there say, oh, yeah, about half the kids are gatherers.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, that's really interesting. All right.
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Speaker 2: So now that now the hunters, So what is some
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Speaker 2: of their personality traits and what kinds of jobs are
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Speaker 2: or careers would be good for somebody who has that personality.
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Speaker 4: You know, they're they're flexible, they're spontaneous, they like things coming,
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Speaker 4: they don't mind things coming at them. That are different
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Speaker 4: is that they enjoy that. They like the thought of
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Speaker 4: having to adjust because they don't want the same thing
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Speaker 4: all the time. They might not necessarily be the most
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Speaker 4: steady and responsible, but they're definitely the play hard, work
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Speaker 4: hard kind of people. So like jobs that are intense
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Speaker 4: but also not necessarily consistent tend to favor them. Like
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Speaker 4: what like I'm I'm in LA right now, I'm and
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Speaker 4: I think like firefighters tend to be hunters, right like
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Speaker 4: you A fire by ba nature is unpredictable, so it's
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Speaker 4: never gonna be the same every every time. Like what
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Speaker 4: it's like salespeople. A lot of people in entertainment, performers
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Speaker 4: that athletes tend to be a lot of hunters, anything
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Speaker 4: where it's a very specific thing that they're doing and
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Speaker 4: they can focus on doing it well. But they don't
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Speaker 4: have to be like the nine to five.
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Speaker 3: Okay, that makes sense.
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Speaker 2: I would think performers like that's what I would think.
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Speaker 2: I would think performers, artists, singers, rock stars because there's
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Speaker 2: no guarantees, knows nothing safe about it. You don't know
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Speaker 2: if you're going to make it or not. You know,
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Speaker 2: you're just like you're you're working for your next gig
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Speaker 2: until you do.
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Speaker 1: So I could say, they don't mind that, and they.
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Speaker 2: Don't mind that, right because you have that personality that
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Speaker 2: suits that for you.
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Speaker 4: It's so funny when you see gatherers and hunters, it's
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Speaker 4: just like that con like you know, once again, it's values, right.
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Speaker 4: I think a gather prioritizing safety and security would never
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Speaker 4: think that there's another human being in the world who
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Speaker 4: would think, oh yeah, I actually kind of like my
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Speaker 4: job or my and my life being a little unsteady
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Speaker 4: right now and like unpredictable, you know.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I want to finish and then that's what
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about in relationships. But so okay,
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Speaker 2: so then you said shamans. So shamans are people that
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Speaker 2: would be like a lot of what are their personal
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Speaker 2: trade center? Are those like a lot of people that
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Speaker 2: are clergy or spiritualness.
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Speaker 3: Or yeah, would be okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, self knowledge, So self knowledge, okay, go ahead.
19:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, So yeah, like exactly what you said, clergy, spiritual leaders, counselors.
19:28
Speaker 4: Education is also like a sector that you get a
19:31
Speaker 4: lot of Shamans, maybe not necessarily in the elementary school levels,
19:35
Speaker 4: but definitely in the university level. You have a lot
19:37
Speaker 4: of education professors who are shamans, like this idea of there.
19:42
Speaker 4: They love people and learning about people that's their number
19:46
Speaker 4: one priority because and also learn you about themselves obviously,
19:50
Speaker 4: So anything where any job that deals with people on
19:54
Speaker 4: a diplomatic basis is definitely right up a shaman. Dally.
20:00
Speaker 3: That's really interesting.
20:01
Speaker 2: And then the last one, the last pack is called
20:04
Speaker 2: it Why's the Smiths? Why Why is smith I'm just
20:08
Speaker 2: curious that.
20:10
Speaker 4: Because I love the Smith's, the old eighties band no,
20:13
Speaker 4: I's associated with the blacksmith's, right, Like, but I didn't
20:15
Speaker 4: want to call them blacksmith because then we think, really,
20:19
Speaker 4: cause smith create technology and they create inventions to make
20:24
Speaker 4: things more efficient. So like a smith would back in
20:28
Speaker 4: the day, they would create tools, right, but you only
20:30
Speaker 4: really need one or two people creating the tools. You
20:32
Speaker 4: need a lot of hunters using the tools. And it's
20:34
Speaker 4: the same with our society now. Like when we think
20:38
Speaker 4: of the smiths now, they would be like the software engineers,
20:41
Speaker 4: like an Elon Musk or a Zuckerberg or a gate
20:44
Speaker 4: you know which is guy Apple got Steve Jobs. Yeah, right, so.
20:52
Speaker 2: So smith's a little less emotionally.
20:57
Speaker 3: Attached.
20:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was a very that was a very nice
21:01
Speaker 4: way to put it. Okay, Yeah, they think they could
21:04
Speaker 4: be a little sensitive to people if they don't have
21:06
Speaker 4: enough practice around people. You know, I used to work
21:09
Speaker 4: a lot with UH software companies and one of my
21:13
Speaker 4: friends got me into that where I was helping her
21:15
Speaker 4: with her teams, and you know, let's face it, software
21:18
Speaker 4: engineers are not always the best with people, and so
21:21
Speaker 4: that was really helpful knowing for them to know. They're
21:23
Speaker 4: great with information. Of course, so I'll take in the information.
21:26
Speaker 4: So learning about personality typing was great for them so
21:28
Speaker 4: that they can understand Oh okay, no wonder why I
21:30
Speaker 4: don't understand these people because they're totally different than me.
21:33
Speaker 2: Right, it's okay, So now let's talk about relationships. So
21:40
Speaker 2: everybody do that, right, So in romantic relationships, is it
21:47
Speaker 2: a problem if you're in one pack and the person
21:51
Speaker 2: you're with, or could there be problems is in another pack?
21:54
Speaker 2: Let's say, uh, you know, a hunter with a gatherer?
21:58
Speaker 3: You know, is it that?
22:00
Speaker 2: Does that cause a lot of conflict because the way
22:03
Speaker 2: their personality traits are.
22:05
Speaker 4: Here's the cool thing about that? Well, one, there's always
22:08
Speaker 4: going to be conflict of any relationship, right of course.
22:12
Speaker 4: But you'd think that gatherers, since they make up half
22:15
Speaker 4: the population, they would the most common coupling. And also
22:18
Speaker 4: because gatherers like safety and security and so they are
22:21
Speaker 4: the most likely type to want to be in a
22:23
Speaker 4: steady relationship. You think that the most common coupling would
22:27
Speaker 4: be gathered gather, right, because they make up the most
22:30
Speaker 4: and they want them that steady relationship. But actually the
22:32
Speaker 4: most common coupling is gatherer hunter. So really it's it
22:36
Speaker 4: kind of shows that we want differences when we're looking
22:39
Speaker 4: for at least a healthy relationship where we're both growing.
22:43
Speaker 4: But I will say that theoretically speaking, you don't want
22:46
Speaker 4: to be too different. So gatherers and hunters are different,
22:49
Speaker 4: but they also they're both very concrete, so they both
22:52
Speaker 4: see the world in a very visceral way, whereas the
22:55
Speaker 4: shamans and the smiths tend to be a bit more abstract.
22:58
Speaker 4: You know, Shaman's focusing much more on emotions and feelings,
23:01
Speaker 4: and then Smith's spoking a lot more on data, information
23:04
Speaker 4: and ideas. And I have to say that the other
23:07
Speaker 4: personalities can't do that. It's just what we prioritize, right,
23:10
Speaker 4: So theoretically speaking, hunters and gatherers are great with each other,
23:15
Speaker 4: and shaman's and smiths are great with each other.
23:18
Speaker 2: Interesting, well, I can see the hunters and the gatherers
23:22
Speaker 2: being good because the gatherers who are going to get
23:25
Speaker 2: probably a little bit more excitement from their hunter partner,
23:30
Speaker 2: you know, who's like, let's throw cautions in the wind
23:33
Speaker 2: and try this, And then the hunters probably looking at
23:37
Speaker 2: the gatherers saying, well, thankfully, thank god I have you,
23:39
Speaker 2: because you make sure the mortgage is paid and the
23:42
Speaker 2: electric is on, and you know, so I could see
23:45
Speaker 2: how those can be a good match with each other.
23:50
Speaker 2: Now I'm assuming, and this is just my assumption. I
23:53
Speaker 2: could be wrong that it's maybe a little bit different
23:57
Speaker 2: in the work environment.
23:59
Speaker 4: Yeah, it is funny that work is a little bit different, right,
24:02
Speaker 4: because you're not really thinking about, oh, what's the best
24:05
Speaker 4: way for me to grow, and compliment is more like, no,
24:07
Speaker 4: we need this objective, how can we get it done?
24:10
Speaker 4: You know. The fun thing is it's cool to have
24:14
Speaker 4: people within the same pack, but different personalities within that pack,
24:18
Speaker 4: because you could have like two different types of let's
24:20
Speaker 4: say Smith's for example, I don't like other things of
24:23
Speaker 4: the show House of Cards. You know, maybe we're not
24:25
Speaker 4: supposed to mention Kevin Spacey's name anymore. But you know
24:28
Speaker 4: that pairing was a perfect example of two people working
24:33
Speaker 4: together and they really were like a work couple, right,
24:36
Speaker 4: because you had both of them were Smith's, but Kevin
24:39
Speaker 4: Smith Stacey's character would be the killer whale. So killer
24:42
Speaker 4: whales are the CEO type. They're very aggressive, they're very straightforward.
24:47
Speaker 4: They stab you in the front. They're gonna stab you.
24:49
Speaker 4: That's where the knife's coming from. Where his wife's character
24:53
Speaker 4: was a spider, so she's a lot more planning. She's
24:58
Speaker 4: a lot more about contingency planning. Spiders will stab you
25:01
Speaker 4: in the back, they won't stab you in the front,
25:03
Speaker 4: And that combination works really well together, especially in politics.
25:07
Speaker 4: And I think that's kind of a cool way of
25:09
Speaker 4: saying that they're both smiths, but they do things in
25:12
Speaker 4: a different way based on being different animal types.
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Speaker 3: Oh well, that's really interesting.
25:16
Speaker 2: I want to learn more about the uh each personality
25:20
Speaker 2: and the differences. But we're going to say, I just
25:22
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Speaker 5: Welcome back and if you're just joining me today, I
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Speaker 5: have Eric Gee as my guest and he is a
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Speaker 5: personality based a life coach, and we were talking about
28:19
Speaker 5: before what he calls packs of personality. So let's get
28:23
Speaker 5: into the packs a little bit. And you were mentioning
28:26
Speaker 5: the Smith and you were talking about that show House
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Speaker 5: of Cards. So what would you And you said, do
28:32
Speaker 5: you think Elon it would be considered a smith?
28:35
Speaker 3: Correct?
28:36
Speaker 5: Yes, okay, So what would he be?
28:41
Speaker 4: So he would probably be actually not one of the
28:44
Speaker 4: ones I mentioned before, not the killer whale or the spider.
28:46
Speaker 4: He would actually be a chimpanzee. And so you can
28:49
Speaker 4: kind of split the smiths up into there's four animals,
28:52
Speaker 4: and you can even split those up into two groups
28:54
Speaker 4: amongst themselves, one being some smith prioritized information. Then the
28:59
Speaker 4: killer whales and the spots prioritize information so that they
29:01
Speaker 4: can use it. So they tend to be more pragmatic.
29:04
Speaker 4: They tend to be your CEO types definitely in institutions
29:07
Speaker 4: and companies. And the chimpanzees and the other animal would
29:11
Speaker 4: be the owls. That group of smiths they use information
29:15
Speaker 4: because they just think it's cool. So for them, they're
29:18
Speaker 4: just like, oh, you know, like it'd be really cool
29:20
Speaker 4: if I invent something like this. Who knows how it's
29:22
Speaker 4: going to go. We'll see how it goes. Let's you know.
29:24
Speaker 4: And they might have a thousand bad ideas, you know,
29:26
Speaker 4: but they have the thousand and one idea that they
29:29
Speaker 4: might have might be to put a computer and put
29:31
Speaker 4: a computer into a phone. And at first, people I'm
29:34
Speaker 4: gonna be like, why would you want to do that?
29:36
Speaker 4: You know, that seems so dumb. We already have laptops
29:38
Speaker 4: and stuff. And once again, obviously now we know what
29:41
Speaker 4: we have now, which the iPhone. That's kind of how Yeah,
29:46
Speaker 4: So Steve Jobs would be a chimpanzee too. They just
29:50
Speaker 4: love to create cool inventions. And that is kind of
29:54
Speaker 4: like they're saying.
29:55
Speaker 5: Okay, so what well, let's do some famous people. We
29:58
Speaker 5: might as well. So you consider Joe Biden.
30:02
Speaker 4: Ooh, Joe Biden, he would be a gatherer, probably an elephant. Yeah,
30:07
Speaker 4: he's an elephant. And so gatherers are always about safety
30:11
Speaker 4: and security. But you can, like like with the Smiths,
30:13
Speaker 4: you can split the gatherers up into two separate groups.
30:15
Speaker 4: One that gets safety and security by following a sense
30:19
Speaker 4: of duty, you know, and then the other gets a
30:23
Speaker 4: state feeling of safety and security by prioritizing family. And
30:26
Speaker 4: I know everyone always says family first. Everyone's always family first.
30:29
Speaker 4: And then I always say, yeah, and when the last
30:31
Speaker 4: time you heard about Einstein's family, you know, like no
30:34
Speaker 4: one has right and he had a daughter, so it
30:37
Speaker 4: wasn't like that was she didn't exist. But so Joe
30:40
Speaker 4: Biden would be an elephant, and that would be on
30:42
Speaker 4: the gather side that prioritizes family, and it tends to
30:46
Speaker 4: be a lot more outgoing. They're probably the friendliest of
30:49
Speaker 4: all the personality types. They're just very warm, huggy, touchy, feely.
30:55
Speaker 4: They have probably had the largest social circles out of
30:58
Speaker 4: all the types. And of course, as we know, one
31:00
Speaker 4: of Joe Biden's strengths of the politician was just that
31:02
Speaker 4: people trust them, people like them, and he knows everybody
31:05
Speaker 4: knows him and he knows that's true.
31:08
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm going to do Kamala Harris. What what? What?
31:11
Speaker 5: What is she? From what you know?
31:12
Speaker 7: Oh?
31:13
Speaker 4: I like these because these are bouncing all around. They
31:15
Speaker 4: like because Kamala Harris, from what I know, seems to
31:18
Speaker 4: be a fox and that would be a hunter type.
31:22
Speaker 4: Oh so yeah, yeah, that's a it's a very common
31:26
Speaker 4: politician type. By the way, the fox, so hunters can
31:29
Speaker 4: you can break them into two parts. The foxes and
31:32
Speaker 4: the sharks are on one side, and they prioritize. They
31:35
Speaker 4: get their excitement through like the adrenaline rush of taking risks,
31:39
Speaker 4: and then the peacocks and the butterflies are on one side,
31:42
Speaker 4: and that's kind of where you get a lot of
31:43
Speaker 4: the artists and the performers, they get their excitement from consumption.
31:48
Speaker 4: So Kamala's a fox.
31:50
Speaker 6: You know.
31:51
Speaker 4: Their foxes are like the typical salesperson. I don't say
31:54
Speaker 4: they're shameless, but they can't be. They're shameless salespeople. You know,
31:57
Speaker 4: they sell, sell, sell. They're very good at a just
32:00
Speaker 4: and telling people what they think the other person wants
32:02
Speaker 4: to hear. And that that sounds terrible, but it's not really,
32:05
Speaker 4: you know, like they're just good at knowing their audience
32:08
Speaker 4: and they adjust based on that.
32:09
Speaker 5: So, okay, prosecute I would think a prosecutor too, that
32:14
Speaker 5: would be a good job. Yeah, executing attorney would be
32:17
Speaker 5: that personality type. Okay, So of course we have to
32:20
Speaker 5: ask about Trump, So what is his personality trait?
32:24
Speaker 4: Okay, So here's the beauty of that. The personality well,
32:27
Speaker 4: I don't know if you can call it beautiful, but
32:28
Speaker 4: Trump is also a fox, huh. So interesting, And you know,
32:32
Speaker 4: and here's another fox too, Bill Clinton's a fox. So okay,
32:37
Speaker 4: if you take the three of them, you can see
32:40
Speaker 4: a certain kind of Obviously, Comblo is a woman, and
32:42
Speaker 4: being a woman, there are different obviously life experiences that
32:45
Speaker 4: will it's going to manifest itself differently, But for the
32:48
Speaker 4: most part, especially with Trump and Clinton, you can definitely
32:50
Speaker 4: see where they are on opposite sides of the political spectrum,
32:53
Speaker 4: even though maybe that wasn't true thirty years ago. But
32:58
Speaker 4: you can probably definitely see them hanging out with each other.
33:00
Speaker 4: They're like and having fun and kind of going hey yeah,
33:02
Speaker 4: like because they're going to have similar personalities in terms
33:05
Speaker 4: of like what they like doing.
33:09
Speaker 5: Right, that's so interesting. So most politicians would be you
33:16
Speaker 5: would say, I mean, obviously not everybody, or or hunters
33:21
Speaker 5: and gatherers. Those two groups seem to be in the
33:24
Speaker 5: political spectrum.
33:27
Speaker 4: It's interesting because I think, especially if you go through
33:29
Speaker 4: presidential history, you'll find a mixture of almost all different
33:32
Speaker 4: types of personalities. In fact, Smiths actually have an outsized
33:36
Speaker 4: influence because some of the I guess we'd call them
33:38
Speaker 4: our greatest presidents were Smith's. But for the most part,
33:42
Speaker 4: I think overall, if you take the average politician, I
33:44
Speaker 4: think hunters. I mean, politics is a very hunter kind
33:48
Speaker 4: of job. I like how you mentioned that Kamala being
33:49
Speaker 4: a trial lawyer or a being a prosecutor is very
33:53
Speaker 4: fox like. And that's very true in law. Most people
33:57
Speaker 4: who are into trial, being trial lawyers and actually have
34:00
Speaker 4: to work a trial tend to be hunters or people.
34:02
Speaker 4: But when you go into like the more scholarly aspects
34:05
Speaker 4: of law or the contract law, you're going to find
34:08
Speaker 4: other personality types because obviously to be a contract lawyer,
34:11
Speaker 4: you don't really have to do a whole lot of
34:12
Speaker 4: performing quote unquote, right, but you do have to be
34:15
Speaker 4: very detail oriented.
34:17
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh you know what, what about Jimmy Carter? What
34:21
Speaker 5: would you consider him? It was a very different kind
34:25
Speaker 5: of a politician.
34:26
Speaker 4: So what was Yeah, you know, Jimmy Carter, he'd probably
34:29
Speaker 4: be a gatherer, but a bear, so kind of similar
34:32
Speaker 4: to Joe Biden, but a little bit. I think the
34:34
Speaker 4: biggest difference would be the bat bear just a little
34:37
Speaker 4: bit gentler and quieter, were more soft spoken, I think.
34:42
Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, and he was so inclusive of everybody, you know,
34:47
Speaker 5: so it was like and he's yeah, he was so soft,
34:49
Speaker 5: and he was so you know, and just including everybody
34:53
Speaker 5: no matter what your differences were. So I just thought
34:55
Speaker 5: that would be interesting just to compare and contrast a
34:59
Speaker 5: different political you know, people that we're all aware of
35:02
Speaker 5: right now. You know, it's everything that's going on, okay, right,
35:06
Speaker 5: So yeah, I mean the crazy world we live in.
35:10
Speaker 5: So can your personality type change? Is that? Is that possible?
35:15
Speaker 5: Or you once you're born a certain way, that's your
35:18
Speaker 5: personality type.
35:20
Speaker 4: So I will say I don't know when our personality
35:22
Speaker 4: type fully manifests themselves. But I definitely don't believe that
35:26
Speaker 4: we change as much as we grow. And I say
35:28
Speaker 4: that quite a bit. I think we can grow into
35:30
Speaker 4: better versions of ourselves or worse versions of ourselves. But
35:34
Speaker 4: I definitely don't like to tell people you can change,
35:36
Speaker 4: because I think when oftentimes a person who's saying that
35:38
Speaker 4: everybody can change generally just wants people to change into them. Right,
35:42
Speaker 4: you can change, it can be a lot more like me,
35:44
Speaker 4: you know, versus like a better version of you. And
35:47
Speaker 4: I think in general, yeah, I think if we do
35:50
Speaker 4: genuinely find ourselves being a different person when we're older,
35:54
Speaker 4: it probably means that we just fully didn't understand ourselves
35:57
Speaker 4: when we were younger, and we're just finding more about ourselves.
36:00
Speaker 4: And that happens quite a bit, right, Especially if you're
36:01
Speaker 4: like a minority personality and your parents and all the
36:05
Speaker 4: people that you're around are very different than you, then
36:09
Speaker 4: you're going to assimilate in a very unhealthy way, and
36:11
Speaker 4: you're going to like maybe repress a lot of what
36:13
Speaker 4: you truly are to try to be what is around you.
36:16
Speaker 4: And I think that's when you know a lot of
36:19
Speaker 4: people are like I found my tribe or I found
36:20
Speaker 4: my people in my forties, and like, yeah, that's probably
36:23
Speaker 4: because you found a lot more people who had your personality.
36:26
Speaker 5: Have my personality? Well that you know what? That just
36:29
Speaker 5: made me think of something. Now, this word gets thrown
36:33
Speaker 5: around a lot that people diagnose some people, and obviously
36:37
Speaker 5: you need a real diagnosis to be considered a true narcissist.
36:40
Speaker 5: But let's say you are what personality type do narcissists
36:47
Speaker 5: typically fall under.
36:49
Speaker 4: That's funny because you know, in my book, I have
36:51
Speaker 4: this thing called deviant roles, and the deedient role is
36:55
Speaker 4: basically your personality at its worst, you know. And so
36:58
Speaker 4: I mean it's written in of a funny way, like
37:00
Speaker 4: the titles are like fascist, cult leader, you know, things
37:04
Speaker 4: like that, because I do believe that our strength also
37:07
Speaker 4: manifests weaknesses as well. So for every organized person, they
37:11
Speaker 4: also might be too rigid. Right, So the funny thing
37:14
Speaker 4: is there is a deviant role card the narcissist, and
37:16
Speaker 4: it's for the peacock, the hunter, one of the hunter types,
37:19
Speaker 4: and peacocks are like the natural performers. They love attention.
37:22
Speaker 4: Of course, if you love it too much and you
37:24
Speaker 4: feel the whole role revolves around you. Then what I
37:27
Speaker 4: think that's I think those are narcissistic tendencies, right, hello,
37:35
Speaker 4: can we drop you ag? Yeah?
37:38
Speaker 5: Oh okay, are you cut out for a second? You
37:40
Speaker 5: said the if you love it too much, then what happens?
37:44
Speaker 4: Oh, then then you just become I think ingrained in that,
37:48
Speaker 4: like look at me, look at me, everything's about me,
37:50
Speaker 4: The whole world revolves around it. And I think we
37:52
Speaker 4: defined that as a narcissist, right.
37:54
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh god, yeah, and so that would be under
37:57
Speaker 5: the hunter. Yeah, the pecock falls under that. That's so interesting.
38:04
Speaker 5: So for people that are listening and they want to
38:09
Speaker 5: know their own personality type, they can they you have
38:13
Speaker 5: something I think on your website right that people can
38:16
Speaker 5: answer some questions that will help them, like, yeah, let's
38:19
Speaker 5: let's talk a little bit about that.
38:21
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can go on. So I have two websites.
38:23
Speaker 4: One Project utopia dot com and that's more of like
38:25
Speaker 4: the life coaching aspects, and I have just flipping around
38:29
Speaker 4: Utopia project dot com and that was like my original website,
38:33
Speaker 4: and that's the WordPress site, so it's a little bit
38:35
Speaker 4: more article based, but we also have an assessment on
38:38
Speaker 4: there that you can take and figure out what animal
38:40
Speaker 4: type you are, with the disclaimer that it is. I'm
38:43
Speaker 4: not the hugest fan of online tests. They can be
38:45
Speaker 4: a bit cookie cutter, even mineus, you know, I mean,
38:49
Speaker 4: there's just questions, right like, So not to say that
38:51
Speaker 4: I'm encouraging try and encourage people to buy my book,
38:53
Speaker 4: but I will say that if you buy the book,
38:55
Speaker 4: the book goes over the entire methodology and you'll really
38:58
Speaker 4: be able to find out for sure what you are
39:00
Speaker 4: and the people around you. But for now, just go
39:03
Speaker 4: on utopia project dot com, take the assessment and they'll
39:06
Speaker 4: tell you are a baboon, let's say, And then they'll
39:09
Speaker 4: have a little bit of a description and people can
39:11
Speaker 4: read that and if it matches, it's perfect. And if
39:13
Speaker 4: it doesn't match, then you might want to read some
39:15
Speaker 4: of the other types around it.
39:18
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so that can help us with, you know,
39:25
Speaker 5: in our careers, right Like, knowing what our personality type
39:28
Speaker 5: is can help us in our relationships, our family relationships,
39:33
Speaker 5: our romantic relationships, and our careers. So it's kind of
39:36
Speaker 5: good to know where you fit in. And I'm sure
39:39
Speaker 5: a lot of people probably get like these AHAs, like
39:42
Speaker 5: oh that makes sense why I'm like this, right?
39:47
Speaker 4: Yeah.
39:48
Speaker 5: No.
39:49
Speaker 4: We had a writer on our site who wrote about
39:51
Speaker 4: how she felt she was an alien until she started
39:53
Speaker 4: learning about personality types and then she was like, oh, okay,
39:56
Speaker 4: I'm not an alien. I'm just I'm just only two
39:59
Speaker 4: percent of popa you know, and with jobs I had
40:03
Speaker 4: at Smith, she was actually a shaman. She was a shaman. Yeah,
40:09
Speaker 4: only because Smith. They are also a small percentage. But
40:13
Speaker 4: I will say Smiths generally don't care. They're the type
40:16
Speaker 4: of like, yeah, no one's like me, and everyone else
40:18
Speaker 4: is an idiot, so I don't care. I'm going to
40:19
Speaker 4: be how I am. You know, That's generally how they act.
40:22
Speaker 4: Once again, I can also have weaknesses, right, because maybe
40:24
Speaker 4: they don't have as many friends, they can be a
40:27
Speaker 4: bit antisocial. But on the flip side, Shamans have the
40:30
Speaker 4: problem of since they're trying, they feel like they want
40:33
Speaker 4: to fit in and connect with people, but they don't
40:35
Speaker 4: really aren't connecting with people. Then that can leave them
40:38
Speaker 4: feeling a bit insecure through most of their lives. And
40:41
Speaker 4: I always say that Shamans don't have a midlife crisis.
40:44
Speaker 4: Their entire life is a midlife crisis. They're constantly doubting
40:47
Speaker 4: themselves and wondering whether they're being the right thing. Which
40:49
Speaker 4: is kind of nice though, because when you turn forty,
40:51
Speaker 4: if you're a shawman who's forty, you're like, oh, well, no,
40:53
Speaker 4: I've done all this work. I've done the self reflection work,
40:56
Speaker 4: self reflective work, So I kind of feel pretty much
40:58
Speaker 4: more comfortable about myself, what I'm doing and when I'm
41:01
Speaker 4: doing my life. Then maybe a gatherer would who has
41:04
Speaker 4: spent their entire life being told that their values are correct.
41:07
Speaker 5: So you said, now, did you tell us what you
41:13
Speaker 5: told me? Your sister is a hunter, But did you
41:17
Speaker 5: say you're a gatherer?
41:19
Speaker 4: No? I am actually a shawman. So that was probably
41:22
Speaker 4: why I was such a weirdo as a kid. Yes,
41:25
Speaker 4: I'm a shaman. I mean, you know, obviously self knowledge
41:29
Speaker 4: was a big priority for me, and another big priority
41:31
Speaker 4: for shaman's is of course sharing that and helping people
41:34
Speaker 4: find the self knowledge. So you you're talking about aha moments.
41:37
Speaker 4: That's probably the greatest joy I get in life is
41:39
Speaker 4: when someone who I'm helping is just like, oh, Okay,
41:42
Speaker 4: now I feel better about myself. I feel like I
41:45
Speaker 4: feel better about not only myself, but the path that
41:48
Speaker 4: I'm on.
41:50
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I would think that it would be very helpful,
41:53
Speaker 5: especially for people who feel like like you who said
41:56
Speaker 5: I'm an alien, like I can't relate to anybody and
41:59
Speaker 5: people can't relate to me, you know, and then like
42:01
Speaker 5: knowing this about yourself is probably so very helpful. Oh
42:07
Speaker 5: my god, it's just really it's really fascinating because I mean,
42:10
Speaker 5: how many people are on the planet now, eight billions
42:12
Speaker 5: something like that, and maybe even more so, you know,
42:15
Speaker 5: and all these personalities and clashings and you know, trying
42:20
Speaker 5: to get along and unfortunately hating each other because you're
42:24
Speaker 5: different and I'm different. It's just like knowing I always
42:29
Speaker 5: acknowledge is power, you know. That's just my The more
42:32
Speaker 5: you know, the better, right, So I just find that
42:36
Speaker 5: it's another layer about knowing ourselves and knowing how other
42:40
Speaker 5: people operate in the world. Right, it can only be helpful. So,
42:45
Speaker 5: I mean, I can't really tell because you don't know
42:48
Speaker 5: me at all, but just from talking to me, would
42:50
Speaker 5: you have an idea of what you think personality? I
42:52
Speaker 5: am type?
42:53
Speaker 4: I am I have a good idea of that. I'm
42:56
Speaker 4: going to ask you one question, Okay, would you say
43:01
Speaker 4: you were a good student. How were you in school
43:04
Speaker 4: like back in the day, Like didn't you take do
43:08
Speaker 4: were you ever?
43:09
Speaker 5: Oh?
43:09
Speaker 4: Sorry I said one question, but I'm asking the follow
43:11
Speaker 4: up questions. Did you ever like start a club? Did
43:13
Speaker 4: you ever start a club like like recycling club or
43:15
Speaker 4: like environmental club or anything like that.
43:19
Speaker 5: I never started a club, but I was in a
43:22
Speaker 5: couple of clubs.
43:23
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay. Do you feel like you ever do like
43:27
Speaker 4: help people too much information about yourself? Like TM, I
43:30
Speaker 4: talk too much like oh my gosh, you know, like
43:31
Speaker 4: I just had diarrhea yesterday and it was terrible. You
43:34
Speaker 4: ever do.
43:34
Speaker 5: Anything like that?
43:35
Speaker 4: No?
43:36
Speaker 5: Okay, I do share a lot on the show. Since
43:40
Speaker 5: I've had the radio show, I share a lot about
43:43
Speaker 5: you know, my challenges that I've been through. But no,
43:47
Speaker 5: I'm a very private person. But I don't mind people
43:51
Speaker 5: on the show knowing stuff about me because I want
43:53
Speaker 5: to be authentic. But I am on private.
43:56
Speaker 4: Yeah okay, I mean, well obviously I was gear. I'm
44:01
Speaker 4: I already knew you. I'm definitely a hundred percent sure
44:04
Speaker 4: you're a shaman. And so now I'm like, uh, which Salman?
44:07
Speaker 4: I was trying to figure out which one. So I'd
44:08
Speaker 4: probably say a humpback whale would be my guest. Okay,
44:12
Speaker 4: And and humpback whales do a lot of energy work,
44:16
Speaker 4: like they really believe in like energy, like we all
44:18
Speaker 4: have core energy and like kind of they're very sensitive
44:21
Speaker 4: to that and sensitive to other people's energy, but they
44:24
Speaker 4: are more private. Oh oh perfect, So.
44:28
Speaker 5: I do any work every morning because oh okay, yeah,
44:32
Speaker 5: other energies. Yeah, very sensitive.
44:35
Speaker 4: They're kind of like they're like an emotional antenna. I mean,
44:38
Speaker 4: shamans are like that in general, but the humpback whale
44:40
Speaker 4: probably has I guess the biggest bandwidth or the largest
44:43
Speaker 4: bandwidth for that.
44:45
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm very very sensitive to energy. And
44:48
Speaker 5: this isn't something that I realized until I was older.
44:51
Speaker 5: After forty, like you said, forty, I don't know. Forty
44:53
Speaker 5: is like the magic number where you start you don't
44:56
Speaker 5: really care as much what other people think about you,
44:58
Speaker 5: and you start really wanting to know yourself. Maybe I
45:01
Speaker 5: don't know, but.
45:02
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's that's it's such for shawmans, but shawman's
45:05
Speaker 4: have to Salmon's have to deal with that quite a bit.
45:07
Speaker 4: I'm a shaman student, and you know, she's always telling me,
45:11
Speaker 4: I don't want to grow up. And I know exactly
45:13
Speaker 4: what she means by that. I mean, I know, it's
45:15
Speaker 4: not like I don't physically want to grow up. It's
45:16
Speaker 4: more like, so I told her, I was like, well,
45:19
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, you don't have to grow up to
45:21
Speaker 4: help other people think that you need to grow up.
45:23
Speaker 4: You can grow up in your own way, you know.
45:25
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know exactly how she feels. I know exactly
45:28
Speaker 5: I don't want to. I don't want to grow up either, right,
45:31
Speaker 5: there's something about that childlike innocence, and yeah, it's really
45:36
Speaker 5: really interesting. So let's see who else can we talk
45:41
Speaker 5: about that's very famous that people would recognize. I don't
45:45
Speaker 5: want to do politicians. Let's do oh, Taylor Swift. Let's
45:50
Speaker 5: do people who know somebody you know who who is big,
45:53
Speaker 5: who's very popular?
45:55
Speaker 4: Okay, Taylor Taylor Swift? Would I mean, now, this is
45:58
Speaker 4: someone that I this is gonna sound weird. I don't
45:59
Speaker 4: know much about Taylor Swift. Obviously I know who she
46:01
Speaker 4: is and she's super popular, but my natural instinct would
46:05
Speaker 4: definitely say she's a hunter, and I guess would be
46:07
Speaker 4: either a peacock or a butterfly, and they're both. They're
46:11
Speaker 4: both performing types. I think that the butterfly is gentler, softer,
46:17
Speaker 4: I don't say, more quiet, but I think of like
46:19
Speaker 4: Bob Dylan would be like the Butterfly. A peacock would
46:23
Speaker 4: be more like Jack Black Kevin Hart, kind of like
46:26
Speaker 4: out there and very loud and big. So I don't
46:31
Speaker 4: know enough about Taylor's but I definitely think she probably
46:33
Speaker 4: fits into one of those two categories for sure.
46:36
Speaker 5: That's really really interesting. That's so fascinating with people's personalities. Now, Oh,
46:42
Speaker 5: you know what I want to ask you. Maybe you
46:44
Speaker 5: don't know yet but or you're just discovering this part
46:48
Speaker 5: of it. You know, there's so many people now that
46:50
Speaker 5: are on the spectrum of autism. What would you say
46:55
Speaker 5: their personality type is.
46:57
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't.
46:59
Speaker 5: Want to lump everybody in the same group because that's
47:01
Speaker 5: not necessarily fair, But I don't know if it seems
47:05
Speaker 5: like seem to consistently be a certain type.
47:10
Speaker 4: You know, we used to work with a lot of
47:12
Speaker 4: students obviously or special needs, and they all had IEPs,
47:16
Speaker 4: and you know, I don't Yeah, I once again, I
47:18
Speaker 4: don't want to love people in but when you're talking
47:20
Speaker 4: about just straight autism, like it tends to be very
47:23
Speaker 4: Smith like. Like there's a very large correlation between autism
47:29
Speaker 4: and people with the Smith personality because they are very
47:32
Speaker 4: like objective, They're very like focused, They're very focused on
47:36
Speaker 4: objective information, you know, data, and they're maybe not necessarily
47:41
Speaker 4: the best at reading at people too well, reading social.
47:45
Speaker 5: Cus is easily. Yeah, that's what I would assume, Like,
47:50
Speaker 5: that's what my judgment would be. I don't you know,
47:52
Speaker 5: I don't like to judge, but that's what I would assume,
47:56
Speaker 5: that that that they would fall under the Smiths. So
48:02
Speaker 5: can you name just a couple of the animals from
48:05
Speaker 5: each pack that you want to share? Let everybody, like,
48:08
Speaker 5: you know, kind of understand. Yeah, I would love to
48:11
Speaker 5: know a little bit more about it.
48:12
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll say I'll try to keep it. I'll say,
48:15
Speaker 4: since they're sixteen animals, I'll try to keep it to
48:17
Speaker 4: one word. And once again, don't kill me on the simplicity,
48:19
Speaker 4: ear but it's just this will probably be the energy
48:22
Speaker 4: that this particular animal gives off. So we'll start with
48:24
Speaker 4: the gatherers. A stag. A stag the word I think
48:28
Speaker 4: of a stag is bossy and some of these some
48:31
Speaker 4: of the words are gonna sound negative, but I don't
48:32
Speaker 4: mean them that way, but they will come off and say, okay, Bossy,
48:37
Speaker 4: there's a beaver, and they come off as serious okay.
48:40
Speaker 4: Elephants as I mentioned before, like Joe Biden friendly a bear,
48:46
Speaker 4: kind of like you mentioned Jimmy Carter. They come off
48:48
Speaker 4: as kind. And then now we'll go on to the hunters.
48:52
Speaker 4: We have like the foxes. Foxes come off as cool.
48:56
Speaker 4: That's like they know one and they're just cool, you know.
49:00
Speaker 4: Arcs come off as mean, and they're not mean, by
49:04
Speaker 4: the way, but they just come off that way. Sorry,
49:06
Speaker 4: my sister's a shark. A lot of people they chose mean.
49:10
Speaker 4: Peacocks they come off as loud mm hmm. Butterflies come
49:14
Speaker 4: off as gentle. And then we're onto the shamans. We
49:19
Speaker 4: have the dolphins, and the dolphins come off as tm
49:23
Speaker 4: I like pops, they too much information, got it? Uh
49:27
Speaker 4: pandas come off as reserved okay. And then we have
49:31
Speaker 4: the baboons. Baboons come off as charismatic, and the humpback
49:37
Speaker 4: whales come off oh this is not one word, but
49:39
Speaker 4: humpback whales come off as old souls.
49:42
Speaker 5: Mm okay.
49:45
Speaker 4: I guess space cat out would be the other way
49:48
Speaker 4: they might come off. And then the last, but not least,
49:51
Speaker 4: we have the smiths. Killer whales come off as strategic.
49:56
Speaker 4: Spiders come off, spiders come off as cold, Chimpanzees come
50:01
Speaker 4: off as like I always associate them as the cool nerd. Okay,
50:05
Speaker 4: and then the other word I use for owls is
50:08
Speaker 4: just nerd. They come off as nerds, and that in
50:11
Speaker 4: a bad way. Yeah, I don't mean that in a
50:13
Speaker 4: bad way. Nerds are cool. You know, they know a
50:15
Speaker 4: lot of information. Now, I have a friend who's an
50:18
Speaker 4: awl dough and he's like, hey, OL's are not all geniuses. Okay,
50:20
Speaker 4: you say Einstein and he is an owl and he's
50:23
Speaker 4: a genius. But Al's just know a lot of stuff.
50:25
Speaker 4: And he's like, I'm an owl and I just know
50:26
Speaker 4: a lot about fantasy football and massage. That's it. So
50:30
Speaker 4: we just know a lot of information. That doesn't mean
50:32
Speaker 4: I'm a genius. It just means I know a lot
50:33
Speaker 4: about it.
50:34
Speaker 5: That's so interesting. So in your book do you talk
50:38
Speaker 5: about all of this in your book and you have
50:40
Speaker 5: it broken down for people who are interested and reading
50:43
Speaker 5: more about it? Well, so where some people like find
50:47
Speaker 5: your book if they're really interested and learning more about this.
50:53
Speaker 4: Well, you know that they say you can find anywhere
50:55
Speaker 4: you buy book. So you can go on Amazon and
50:57
Speaker 4: you want to give Jeff Bezis your money Amazon, It's
51:00
Speaker 4: on there. You can also find go to your local
51:02
Speaker 4: bookstore and just order through there. My publisher will get
51:05
Speaker 4: it out there to you. Barnes and Noble, you can
51:07
Speaker 4: order there. But really, I mean it just depends on
51:10
Speaker 4: where you want to buy a book. If you want
51:11
Speaker 4: to support your local bookstores, I always say go there,
51:14
Speaker 4: or go to bookshop dot org because bookshop dot org
51:17
Speaker 4: you can order it online and then just say, like,
51:20
Speaker 4: have the proceeds go to your local bookstore.
51:23
Speaker 5: The Power of Personality So people are listening. That's the
51:27
Speaker 5: title of the book, The Power of Personality. So do
51:29
Speaker 5: you work one on one with people?
51:32
Speaker 4: I do. I would do life coaching and writing coaching.
51:35
Speaker 4: I actually start off as a writing coach first. But
51:38
Speaker 4: what I discovered is the key to teaching writing is
51:40
Speaker 4: teaching people to find their voice. And you can't find
51:42
Speaker 4: your voice if you can't find yourself.
51:45
Speaker 5: That's true, It's very very true. So if people want
51:48
Speaker 5: to work with you one on one and they're really
51:50
Speaker 5: interested in exploring this about themselves. Further, how should they
51:55
Speaker 5: reach out to you? I said, contact you? Do you
51:57
Speaker 5: do a free consultation or like hat to see if
52:02
Speaker 5: you guys would be a good fit if your personality
52:04
Speaker 5: is a line.
52:06
Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's actually a good Yeah, personalities have to line, right. Yeah,
52:11
Speaker 4: you can go on project project utopia dot com. There's
52:13
Speaker 4: a tab there that there's Project utopia dot com slash
52:16
Speaker 4: at university and you can message me through my website
52:20
Speaker 4: and from there, you know, we can set up an
52:22
Speaker 4: appointment and it could just be like an intro doctory
52:25
Speaker 4: kind of like meet and greet and see if we're
52:26
Speaker 4: a good fit. And yeah, that's how I go from there.
52:29
Speaker 4: And you see, I usually that's where I usually find
52:32
Speaker 4: out about my students in that meet and greed too,
52:34
Speaker 4: so it helps me plan out our sessions.
52:36
Speaker 5: You know, right of course. Okay, that makes so much sense. So, Eric,
52:41
Speaker 5: is there anything that we didn't get a chance to
52:43
Speaker 5: talk about today that you want to mention? I think
52:46
Speaker 5: we only have like two minutes before we're ready to
52:48
Speaker 5: wrap up.
52:49
Speaker 4: Oh no, I mean I was happy to talk to you.
52:51
Speaker 4: I had a lot of fun, and you know, I
52:53
Speaker 4: could do another hour or two hours just because I'm
52:56
Speaker 4: a babboon and we talk a lot, so you know,
52:58
Speaker 4: can't help that.
53:01
Speaker 5: No, well, I really am. This is really fascinating to
53:04
Speaker 5: me because I am super interested in understanding things and
53:09
Speaker 5: understanding other people and understanding you know, I'm always asking like,
53:14
Speaker 5: why did this happen? All? Why like this? You know,
53:16
Speaker 5: I'm like the constant wise, right, So the more knowledge
53:20
Speaker 5: that I have, the happier I am. And then part
53:24
Speaker 5: of the reason that I love doing the show because
53:26
Speaker 5: I love spreading the knowledge. I don't want to just
53:29
Speaker 5: keep it for myself. I want to spread it out.
53:32
Speaker 5: So that's why I am so guessed like a lot.
53:35
Speaker 5: I love to have guests on my show. I just
53:37
Speaker 5: don't want to hear myself talk, you know for an hour.
53:40
Speaker 5: I want to talk to other people who are doing
53:42
Speaker 5: interesting things right and spreading the knowledge. So to me,
53:46
Speaker 5: it's it's it's fascinating And I'm definitely gonna look up
53:51
Speaker 5: the shaman and you said hump back whale, right.
53:56
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely that's what I was I would go for.
53:58
Speaker 4: I think you're hump back way and you know, once again,
54:00
Speaker 4: it's all about the connecting with people, right and helping
54:03
Speaker 4: them grow brus At Shaman's right.
54:05
Speaker 5: So yeah, yeah, yeah, well, and I'm definitely going to
54:08
Speaker 5: do the I'm definitely gonna do uh the personality test
54:13
Speaker 5: right now. Just everybody knows, I've been sick, so I'm
54:16
Speaker 5: literally doing my interview in my bed now. But it
54:25
Speaker 5: was so great talking to you and I'm so glad
54:28
Speaker 5: that we did the show. Thank you so much, Eric,
54:31
Speaker 5: I really really had a good time, all right, everybody,
54:35
Speaker 5: thanks so much for listening to Postcards to the Universe
54:38
Speaker 5: with Melissa creating the life you crave. And I'm wishing
54:41
Speaker 5: everyone a wonderful week filled with a joy, abundance and love. Peace.
55:01
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