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Shia unity or Muslim Unity first? · After Maghrib 🌙

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Salam alaikum, and welcome to the first episode of the after
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marketing podcast. My name is Ahmed Goku.
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I am here with the one, the only said I needed although Islam,
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alikum say. So now my pleasure to be here
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with you likewise likewise, it's been a while since I last saw
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you. It's been a while.
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I just, you know, room one. Yes, it's amazing to see you and
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be beside you on second likewise for likewise.
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We have been I think we've had the pleasure.
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Just doing some work here in that, this is the first time, I
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think we're going to have the opportunity to sit and discuss
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things every week together. Amazing and I look forward to
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this podcast a future podcast, but before we woven into any of
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our topics that we're going to talk about, I have a question
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for you. It's my life.
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What's after Maghrib all about? Do you know what this is?
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The question, which a lot of people have been asking after
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Margaret was bit of a strange name, isn't it?
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To be honest. The concept of aftermarket up is
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if you think about About Shyamalan, or you think about it
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just generally in in, in your day-to-day life?
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Mmm, when is the best time? You can sit down and have a
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lovely. Fruitful conversation with your
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colleagues or peers or friends. It's usually after market we
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have a chai, you sit down a nice cup of tea with your family
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around the table or your friends, and you have the
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opportunity to talk about issues where you share you learn, you
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grow and do, you know generally developed us, that's the goal
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and inshallah. That's what we're trying.
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Hopefully to emulate this. Whole inshallah and I really
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hope everyone that's watching. Will, you know, take shall I say
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not take, but be a part of this conversation because it's more
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of a conversation and inshallah, we can add add value to what
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people are discussing at home, what people are seeing in the
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community. So this is what the show is all
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about. Am I right?
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Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
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I think beyond that is what we have to mention that we're going
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to be talking about so many different things on this
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podcast. We're going to be talking about
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issues that affect us as people as communities things that
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affect our mental. Mental health, spiritual
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physical health, and also outside of that issues, that are
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generally going on in the world that may or may not even have an
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Islamic relevance but things that will affect us in our
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day-to-day interactions as Muslims.
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And we have to say, and we have to put it out there.
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By no means, are we qualified or experts in any particular field?
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I think the concept of this is the fact that we are General
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day-to-day community members. Handle always had the
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opportunity to be involved in different things and hopefully
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be able to voice our opinion and and maybe The opinion and shot
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love of guests and viewers and listeners.
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I sent a scent and is a point that you mentioned that we are
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no experts. Yeah.
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Because just to do a bit more into that we're not experts
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because we're not Scholars, we're not really, you know,
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students of Hauser so we don't really have that.
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Sort of shall I say capacity where we can share it Islamic
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laws or Islamic ruling cetera, but it's more about speaking in
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terms. Of conversation, you know, from
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the heart where we can talk from the heart.
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You know, we you can imagine, we are speaking to our friends, our
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home where we can discuss things.
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Sometimes the pulpit doesn't discuss, not because the pulpit
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shying away from it. There's just no appropriate.
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It's not being a podcast. I think it's an amazing
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opportunity for us to voice our opinions and in sha Allah speak
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about what the community with thankful.
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Of course, that'll be a TV for having us everything.
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Everything and anything we ever say, on this channel on this
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podcast is nothing representative of the channel or
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any of its employees. And Course, you know, mentioned
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again we're very grateful to the channel but today say it we have
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a topic, which I think has been brewing for a few weeks in the,
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in the general. Not even just this year, our
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community, not even just the Muslim Community, but in wider
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Society, over the last few weeks and that is of course off the
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back of the release of of the film, The Lady Of Heaven, which
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we know is has been received and many different ways, which I'm
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sure will get into and released to different areas of the world.
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Generally say this is a film which as I'm sure you know, has
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been released by group with the intention of sharing the life of
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set of automated. I had a salami Lala and bringing
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that message in a production based format to look to the
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wider world. What do you think about the idea
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of that? Because as a concept how do you
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feel about that you know just just before I speak deep into
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you know the film itself. But you mentioned towards the
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end of your question to me right now.
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The idea why I think Abaya about the idea is I love the fact that
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she asked can come out today and produce films about the Elevate
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and him Salam. You know, generally speaking
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just typing away from the film slightly, a Tickler.
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This particular film you want to be about this film in particular
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you know I'm saying? It was stepping away from that
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film and particular correct. The facts that we can make films
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movies, be at the commentary'. Whatever is the fact is In a
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worldwide Cinemas and is showing, you know, the history
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of the debates on him Salam, you know.
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It doesn't have to be about Lady Fatima Zahra.
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It can be about, Imam, Ali and his Salam.
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It can be about his amazing. Sounds hasn't Hussein.
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I am Salam, even about rasulallah salallahu.
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Anyone is set up. So the fact that we can give our
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yeah history, our proud history of who she are is something
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amazing to have in UK Cinemas Global Cinemas.
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This is the thing we are. We are on a Channel right now.
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And we all people who love Muslim media will talk about
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Muslim media later on. But that's something we strive
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for, we strive for presenting our God, and our beliefs, in an
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appropriate manner to the both, the Muslim Community in the
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west, and also the wider public. Because that's something we need
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to do. There's a responsibility.
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There's an amount of upon us. I believe to share information
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in the right manner time and place two people to benefit
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from, of course, this particular film has had backlash.
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Because without saying and generally speaking not just
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from, from the Shia Community. Yeah, but from the Sunni
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community and obviously as well various kind of degrees of kind
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of reception from General Public.
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I don't know how I feel about it.
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I'd be very honest. I haven't seen the film.
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Yeah. So I'm not qualified to say what
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I think about specific scenes in the film or lines or whatever it
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might be in there but The Narrative of the film in
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general. Yeah is for some people has been
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a Flammable controversial, and of course, has been received in
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different ways. It surely has see, I was one of
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the few ice a few from the Shia Community because not everyone
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went out to see this film, I watched it on the release date
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itself so that was I think the 3rd of June.
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Yeah. And I went to the cinema like
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any other person and bought the tickets online you have to buy
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online. Went to the cinema sat down.
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You know, the the audience was mixed.
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You take the Divine snacks, I there was a pound Lounge
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downstairs. I was like, if I'm going to pay
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Seven quid to buy you a drink or something, great for half a
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Coke. Then I went downstairs Pompeii,
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the pound. So, so, I sat down and, you
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know, when I, when I went to see the movie, I did not watch it
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because, you know, there are looking to portray certain
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characters or, you know, it's they're going to show the
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incident of the door, honey. I knew the door incidents going
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to be there. You know, was very clear when
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the, when the movie was being made and in post production and
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pre-production there. Is like some talk about what we
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were expected to see. And you know, we all saw the
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trailer, you know, I saw him early in the battlefield this.
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Wow. I need to see this movie.
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For me, was more about Imam Ali in the battlefield, you know,
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seeing seeing his dhul fiqar, all of that.
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This is something I'm proud of. So that was one of the main
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reasons I went to see this film. Also won inside, you know,
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screening the plate, the trailers.
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And then all of a sudden, I saw the lady of Heaven is like, oh,
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okay. The movie is actually starting
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now. So the movie started and I'm not
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going to go into So of what the movie showed itself, best?
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You know it was something I was happy with seeing you know,
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history being played on Cinema screens now who wrote the script
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or for example, you know how they decided, you know, what
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seems to put in, what acting to do, that's got nothing to do my
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opinion. You know, we got Scholars for
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that best meet. The main thing for me is that I
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went to watch a movie about partners that are external and I
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saw why I wanted to see so I saw him Molly in the battlefield.
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I thought you had you had a list of things that you want.
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Yeah, because I saw the trailer, you know, I saw the trailer
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before hand. Now, I was expecting something.
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So I was very proud to see Ali. I'm the pilot on the battlefield
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for me home, you know, that, that, that book everything I
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hear on the minbar alive. So, from that perspective, I'm
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talking about From perspective of watching a movie watching a
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film. I'm not talking about history
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here, specifically auction. Yeah and for me, the standard of
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production was went to, you know, solve a different level
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Which we have never seen when it comes to Productions by the Shia
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Community. Okay, so from a production level
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production, I'm a city since the release of the movie, which has
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been a couple of weeks. Now, there has been a mixed
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response of mentioned, a lot of coverage by mainstream Western
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media protests by different communities.
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From other Sunnah wal jamaa from across the UK particularly here.
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And obviously also, it's had an effect on people who are
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involved working with the government from a, from an
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Islamic perspective. Effective.
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Community leaders. Faith leaders generally.
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Hmm. If again, like I said, I haven't
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seen the film but my opinion on this is we have spent decades
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and decades within this Society developing and Building Bridges
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between the Shia community and the Sunni Community.
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There is no point taking one step forward to then take two
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steps back. Yeah.
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Do you see what I mean? So we have to ask ourselves and
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we have to be critical with each other to determine Weather
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showing certain things and displaying and presenting
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certain things in a certain man is a right place and time to do
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it. Now I am all for the concept of
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sharing Islamic history in a high-quality production but it
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has to be on the basis which doesn't cause the or even give
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the risk in my opinion of division and friction with the
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community, many of us have worked from a number of years,
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as I mentioned, to develop community relations in the
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mosques in universities in the The workplace I was in The
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Barbers this morning. I don't know how you told me
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earlier. My barber was talking to me.
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He actually mentioned the film. Mmm, just by chance.
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He doesn't know Michelle Muslim. Hmm.
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And I didn't know if he's a Sunni Muslim or Shiite Muslim
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and you know unfortunately there was a hesitation from him and
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from myself to kind of read each other and got to a point where
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then we realize we're on the same page.
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You said I love you. You're my Muslim.
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Other, if I saw someone Street insult you as a Muslim, I will
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defend you. I won't stand in my arms for
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beautiful and that's what we have to do.
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So this particular production or even any production, you
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mentioned the role of our manager and our Scholars.
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That's something we should discuss.
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But yeah, like I think as on a Grassroots and on an
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Institutional level we have to take into account that we do
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live in a pluralistic Multicultural Society where
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everyone delete believes and and has an opinion on different
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things. Things, people like people who
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others don't like and vice versa.
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So, I mean, that's just a fact of life, unfortunately, and I
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agree. I don't disagree with any point.
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You just mentioned him by the way.
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Yeah. And the fact I went to see this
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movie by the way. Does not mean I am for the
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movie. It's not an endorsement.
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The fact that I went in the service, neither neither do.
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I disagree with the movie. So, I have no opinion here.
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For me, it's important what the scholars say, what the mirages
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say, what everyone's because their opinion is what actually
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counts. Yeah.
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Who am I? I'm a nobody for me, I went
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there to see as a movie. Okay.
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Yeah. Just want to make that clear
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because I have, I have to make that clear because some people
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could get the wrong impression that, of course, you know,
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because what happened after the movie, we saw, no, there's
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nothing wrong as, absolutely nothing wrong with me.
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Going to a cinema watching any movie.
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Okay? For me, you know, I actually saw
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it. I saw some positive to it.
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Let me tell you what the positive ones I didn't have to
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hear music. I didn't need to see
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inappropriate scenes for me. That was fantastic.
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The fact I didn't These things is important to us, you know,
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being as Muslims. So in terms of those sort of,
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you know, the small small things we take for granted because
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Cinema that was there. Okay?
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The content I'm not going to get involved, but after the movie
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will happen as well as the discussion.
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Yeah. Okay.
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Because my opinion. So you don't have to have seen
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the film? No.
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I haven't seen it. Yeah.
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But my judgment is not on the film itself.
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My judgment is based on the reaction from community members
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both within and outside of the show Community.
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Yeah, so what I mean by that is, if I see someone in pure Agony
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about, the way that something has been done or the manner in
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which something is being shown. Surely, there's an issue there
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whether that's the right or the wrong thing to show as a
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different matter, mmm. But the fact of the matter is
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that you have a Muslim brother who has an issue with something
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and is blaming an entire, she our community and saying that
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you guys are at fault of this. And then obviously unfortunately
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and some cases is leading to claims of tech fear and all
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sorts of stuff which I think is entirely inappropriate from
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either side and it's causing issues of what's currently there
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is, unfortunately, I agree with you.
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I agree with you. There's nothing wrong with
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seeing and I don't think we need to kind of delve into that.
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We've mentioned that there is unfortunately, what do you
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think? Sorry, I was.
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So, what do you think about where we stand?
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Okay, because prior to all of this.
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Yeah, we know over the years, the Slim Community.
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UK of three million people. We've had to deal with a lot of
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issues here. Hmm, some issues have United us
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and some of them, fortunately divided us.
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But how did you feel like the mood was before?
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And kind of like how it is now and this is where do you stand
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on this? That's a good question.
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Where do I stand in terms of unity is what you mean.
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Yeah. Okay.
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That this is as a good point that you raised argument that
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because you know, Unity is it's a big thing.
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Sometimes someone might say, okay, you are united with other
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schools of sects, that means you are giving up on what you
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believe in. No, no, no way.
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You know, I believe in something called coexistence.
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Okay. The fact that we can live,
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besides anyone be it? Christian Jewish, Sunni Sophie,
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whoever they are, she over the she has a United but you know
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Unity is a broad term that. I'm not really an expert when it
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comes to this. When it comes to coexistence,
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I'm all for it. The fact that you can have
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different different views than me.
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No problem. I live peacefully peacefully,
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have no Harmony have no beef, you know, aliens, a polyp, what
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did you tell us? Live amongst people a person 0,
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your brother and Faith, or your equal and Humanity.
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That means coexisting is so I don't want to say.
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For example, I am not for Unity best.
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We need to be careful what we're pushing for.
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Because if we want to Unite on everything.
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We have nothing to stand for, I think you sort of lose.
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Now when I'm talking about uniting on something, you know,
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we just mentioned the film a bit earlier on.
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I'm not talking about sunni-shia issues.
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I'm talking about our actual beliefs, our data, if it means,
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we have to drop or compromise, something I'm not down for it.
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Let's see if we can unite. The fact that we are Muslim, we
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share the same God, the same profit, the same holy book.
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And we spoke about this briefly before the conversation, the
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conversation we're having here. I'm a father that's what unity
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means to me by a few. But if Unity goes into for
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example where you have to drop your beliefs to please, others
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know, because you've got nothing to stand.
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Yeah, I mean that's the thing appeasing.
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Mmm, someone is in my again, in my opinion is not something we
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should be doing that defensive mentality.
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Shouldn't be there, you should be, should be able to believe
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what you believe in someone should be like, you know, should
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be able to accept that. And, and like I said, we We live
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in a Multicultural Society. And there are people out there
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who disagree with us and will disagree with them.
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And I may disagree with you on things and vice versa.
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And, you know, generally speaking, we should be able to
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at the bare minimum coexist, cohabitate with people and, and
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that is like a primary function of this Society.
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We live in, is we live in a society where we're meant to be
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peaceful and not have beef with each other?
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Have a fluffy. Hey.
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So like now we're having a their protests.
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Yeah she and all sorts but all in all there's the Work to be
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done. I think about whether that's not
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just and I think there's a huge role I have to stress this on
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the institutions, within our community to, please extend the
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hand of friendship and and kind of peace with, with, with our
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brothers sisters, because of course, there's a responsibility
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on us, we have to, unfortunately, we have to answer
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things and whether we do or don't agree, we can accept and
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we know that there are people who are offended and we have to
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address it. But, you know, even on a
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Grassroots level on a A day-to-day level we have
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responsibilities by the receipt, by the way, you mentioned the
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word offended. I don't blame them because, you
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know, we have people who, you know, they always use the
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argument of Wallace history. Yes, history.
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But as the way of the rating history, okay?
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And then, there is offending people, was people grow up, you
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know, and they they Revere certain individuals and they,
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you know, spent the whole lives Herring them, as being the gray,
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the Of course, you know, x y z and then you hear someone else
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coming out and saying, well, no, not the greatest, and they using
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profanity. And they using, you know, they
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trying to prove a point by, you know, saying, oh it's in your
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books, this doesn't work, there's just causes disunity.
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And that's, that's, that's I think what's important is that
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when I say I'm down for Unity, yeah, I'm talking about, you
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know, you can discuss these topics without dividing for me.
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I sent a lot of anti says hold on to the Rope of Allah and do
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not be divided. Hmm.
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The Holy Quran and we know that that is a token we need to live
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our lives by but by the same time at support and that we can
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share our opinion, of course, share our belief, share our
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creator and and you know, be comfortable and saying, for
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example, person exit this to a Bob Dylan karbala, yeah, there
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is no problem with that at all. No, there shouldn't be.
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But some people say, you know, let's not talk about it, if
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you're collecting history. Yeah, stunning.
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Email. And you're assessing things that
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have happened in the past. There should be no hesitation in
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the sense saved moving on within the Shell community.
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There is a question to ask him. This is the, this is a question
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because bro, honestly, we are not homogeneous, I have to say
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this on the, on the, on the surface level, everyone is very
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different to each other. We've grown up as you know,
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different households, different Community, speaking different
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languages and different areas around the world.
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Yes, And now on top of that there are very very, very many
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brackets and Pockets within our community who offer and kind of
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performed different beliefs. Hmm.
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And now obviously the community the hsia community of 300
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thousand give or take in the UK. Yes our pre-painted with one
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stroke of the same brush. Correct to say you guys are this
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or that and you believe this or that and you are to credit or to
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blame for a for this film or for other work.
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You know, as a valid point that you just said and where everyone
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thinks we are all the same and they brought brushes in the same
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brush, you know, we all think the same.
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We all have the same opinions have the same 50 rulings Etc
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button. In reality, I think we are as
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this United as we are with other sects in the religion of Islam.
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So it's I don't think I don't know it's not something to be
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proud of because if you are actually proud of this, This
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Unity something is absolutely wrong because, you know, the
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elevator always up for bringing people together.
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They're always down for, you know, making sure their phase of
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the community were all you know, in harmony.
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So when we see today that the she has are actually not United
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with one each other, it hurts. We could be more united and even
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minute and the scary thing is, you know, I think this goes to
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how we are in our communities. I can speak for myself.
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This, this might annoy certain people hearing it from me.
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But the community I grew up in had a lot of disunity.
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You know, we had Mirage issues. We had going to different Center
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issues, we had. Okay, this this person doesn't
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do a specific, you know, shower room and pressing issues.
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All of this was nonsense to me was nonsense.
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The thing is you couldn't disagree, We're Young, you know,
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so you To these centers and you hear the center speaks about the
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center. This guy talks about the
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scholar. That's caller brings down the
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other scholar and it was just like kindergarten.
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Yeah, it's me. What's going on?
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Of course, yeah, it's chaos. So it's not a position to be
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proud of as a shearing seeing this disunity and seeing if
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anything we have to like there has to be a serious conversation
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about. Yeah because we are having the
21:58
Loblolly mean now we are an age. Things have changed.
22:01
Yeah, things change. Yes.
22:04
Fifteen years and I do think that's something maybe for
22:06
another day. But the establishment and now
22:09
the fluency of the English language has meant that you can
22:13
have yourself and your family, which comes from a rocky
22:16
background and me and myself. And my family comes from a cold,
22:18
your background, where to youth growing up in the same city and
22:21
different communities. Our mother tongues are
22:23
different. Yeah, but now we're both at an
22:25
age will handle our laws. Giving us do fear and strength,
22:28
but if we wanted to and if we add, you know, the inspiration
22:31
to we can make these changes in the community.
22:34
So you know, we have to as youth take that on board and we have
22:38
to, you know, Handler. Now as parents we have to then
22:40
start to pass that information on down to our children that
22:44
Unity amongst the shot as wide as upon us.
22:47
You know in my opinion it's and it's not just unities
22:50
integration. I'm a big Advocate integration
22:53
with within the shocking media because when it Mom and Maddie
22:56
has a lot of I just should have comes Rock.
22:57
Do we think that he's going to visit one Center?
22:59
No way. And stick to one cultural kind
23:02
of know. No.
23:04
I mean it doesn't work like that bro.
23:05
He's gonna be in. Charlotte leading Jamar and you
23:08
have people of 10 different skin colors and 10 different
23:10
languages playing behind in Conway for that. 100% honestly
23:14
color is an interesting thing because we sent I went to and
23:23
subhanallah I'll never forget, this was in Hamburg in Germany,
23:26
the Imam, Ali Center, it was appraised Jim are there.
23:29
I went there for like a crash course trip and I remember the
23:32
drummer that we prayed there. We had brothers from different
23:36
sects praying in one Center side by side and the khutbah was in
23:41
seven languages. Turkish English Arabic German
23:44
first anything you can imagine I suspect.
23:46
I was amazing. Yeah maybe it's a bit long but I
23:50
mean the ultimate goal in sha Allah is not just integration
23:53
and unity but also just generally then ultimate trust
23:56
because we hear about the Hadith about you should fill
23:59
trustworthy to the point where your other mumineen can put
24:02
their hand in your pocket and you would have no issue.
24:04
Just what I mean, that's the ultimate goal.
24:07
And but where we are now and we don't understand like where
24:10
moaning because I'm de la, a lot of great initiatives are going
24:13
on and has been done. But from where we are now to
24:15
where we aim to get to, there's work to be done, surely there is
24:19
and, you know, I'm the law, you know what, I said my point
24:22
earlier I said, as I grew up, you know, growing up and now
24:26
we've grown up some that I said, I turned 30 of days that makes
24:30
me and I don't know. You know, the changes, I can see
24:37
it happen and the fact that I can go to any sense, I want to
24:42
the fact that I can, you know, I'm going to speak being a
24:48
reciter. You know, you feel this disunity
24:52
more, really? Yeah, but as I'll get to that in
24:55
a second, but when you are part of the audience, you know, let's
24:58
say you're going to attend the program and event celebration be
25:02
a martyr than one of the it. You feel United, but as soon as
25:08
that measure less or that event is over, you know, you've been
25:11
called to the caller Barraza. Just things will come out again.
25:15
People start talking, you know, he said this.
25:18
Why is he here? You know, why is there a picture
25:21
of that scroll? Understand sire, all of these
25:24
things just reignites something that went a long time ago.
25:27
You know, back back and I think the 90s I grew up in, I was born
25:31
in 92, so growing up in the TS. That's what people used to talk
25:35
about, you know, much yet this or, you know, this got the
25:39
center doesn't do enough, doesn't do not want too hard.
25:41
Yeah, just some nonsense things. Okay, and of course, so these
25:45
things have gone and handling now it's more about the views
25:49
you hold. So note that this unit is more
25:52
about the views, whether you stand where you stand, you know,
25:54
we touched on earlier on about where you stand with unity with
25:57
she has insomnia, for example. So this is how you are judged
26:01
these days or for example. Where do you stand in?
26:04
How open can you be about your history?
26:06
So this is what the disunity in the Shiite is today.
26:08
I think just kind of summarizing that because this is such an
26:12
important topic and shallow we get to Stage well, loss pain,
26:16
Tyler gives us that guidance and not just the guidance from God
26:19
but also the hard work from us, your ourselves and and are like
26:24
you know all of us and within the community that we can get to
26:27
stage where we're so United, the I can go to any Community Center
26:31
within the shark community and thought home.
26:34
Oh, yeah, and you can do the same and anyone can do anything.
26:36
You don't handle of, that's, that's like what we've seen in
26:39
some centers which I think are like a complete role models for
26:41
us. And a lot of other centers are
26:43
getting there as well. So maybe we'll take a few years
26:46
but you know all in all this is why I like for example with a
26:50
debate TV or just generally with the stomach.
26:52
Can I just pause this? Just before you, you get into
26:55
Elevate? Evie.
26:56
Yeah. Sorry to stop you.
26:58
Then of course, that's I did want to mention something about
27:00
as a reciter. Yeah.
27:01
Someone who recites Sometimes you don't get invited to places
27:08
because of your father. So in terms of the elders in the
27:12
community, that's what the disunity is.
27:15
So what the elders, the younger generation, it doesn't exist.
27:19
The fact I'm here next to you today.
27:21
We have no disunity. The fact that I can go to one of
27:25
our, she mentions on my friends names but the majority of my
27:27
friends now are people who I had conflicting views with growing
27:32
up and now we have no conflicts because Is that we realize
27:37
brought the end of the day, we have the same amount, we have
27:40
the same profit, we shed tears, over the same is different and
27:45
your stance, on some issues, a difference, not the end of the
27:47
week. Yeah, so my point is like it's
27:49
improved the shy Unity has improved.
27:52
This just I think is small with the elders and I think that
27:55
comes down can't blame them to be and I don't blame them.
27:57
They grew up like this, it was growing up and it was it was
28:00
drilled into a lot of people and a lot, but like we did the
28:03
community at certain stage in the past.
28:05
Wasn't as a globalized. You didn't have social media.
28:07
You don't have articles to read. You didn't have YouTube, like
28:10
you do now and it brings me back again to Islamic immediate.
28:12
Yes, the, the concept of globalization is new tech and
28:17
Islam for the first time in 1400 years have crossed paths.
28:21
She saw what I mean, so, that whole phenomena is something
28:25
which is so new to us as people were learning about this.
28:29
So the fact that you know, 14 plus hundred years ago so late
28:33
years later, we then have the First English-speaking Shiite,
28:36
Muslim channel will basically, they see be the same saying
28:39
something, right? And of course, as a big TV is a
28:41
channel which is non partisan, non kind of Affiliated to any
28:46
particular module is publicly-funded is publicly
28:49
owned. These kind of things are
28:51
incredible assets. That the channel owns and not
28:53
just out of a TV but generally Islamic media, as a whole has a
28:57
responsibility to play. And when we talk about this
28:59
conversation, the voices that are being heard on these
29:02
channels have a huge responsibility.
29:05
And that includes you. And I on this particular
29:07
podcast. Mmm.
29:08
You know, we should be planting the seeds of change sometime in
29:12
sha Allah and we should be in trying our best inspire people.
29:16
And like we said at the beginning, we're not experts
29:18
were not qualified anything particular but one thing I hope
29:21
and Shala we have is ambition and we have that drive that fire
29:26
in our heart that we want to see a change in the world.
29:29
We live in both in and outside of the Muslim Community because
29:32
there are issues in both areas and there is an Inshallah we can
29:37
get to that stage. There is a very is very
29:39
beautiful that you mentioned a little bit sleepy because I used
29:43
to work at. So I have this personal
29:44
connection here. Yeah.
29:45
And so, by the way today it's amazing to be, you know, they
29:49
say you leave this you work at, you know, me and you on the
29:53
show, yes, 2022. I joined in 2016.
30:01
I think the week you left all those around that time and then
30:05
I officially left in 2018. So I own Is Not only was here
30:09
from full-time for a couple of years.
30:11
Yeah, but I've yeah once you once you leave you you're still
30:15
not coming back to elevate. EV you know why?
30:18
I want to mention that I used to work here, that's because there
30:21
was Unity when I worked here before I leave a TV.
30:24
I think it was 20, 2012. I think it's when I joined.
30:32
Yeah, yeah, I just before I volunteer the news.
30:35
In the studios. And then I officially joined a
30:38
little bit. Joined the team at him a TV.
30:40
And when I joined, I was like, oh my God, there's like this guy
30:44
follows this guy, you know, this guy is not even a rocky.
30:49
Yeah. So it was for me, this was so
30:51
new. I was in one she environment but
30:55
I had it was like the United Nations for she has.
30:58
So I had every rep everyone follows a different object.
31:02
Everyone has their own different opinions, but we were United and
31:04
now gone. And that goal was to make, you
31:06
know, this platform a platform, if I remember very clearly, why
31:09
not stuffy place where Imam mehdi inshallah, we'll come and
31:13
broadcast and Charlotte? Yeah.
31:14
So, for me, it was important seeing that, and I think that
31:17
helped me as a person. Yeah, because, you know,
31:20
touching on Unity again, I wouldn't say I was this United
31:24
best. I didn't really get along with
31:25
other people outside my own Community.
31:28
Yes, the share our community as a white person.
31:30
Every Community there's a subcommittee subcommittee.
31:33
So, when I came out of a TV and I saw different I was like, wow,
31:36
you know, we all believe in the same thing, you know, walking
31:39
towards us, and he's gonna sound so City, but we pray the same.
31:42
Yeah, we think the same and that was new for you.
31:44
The exposure is not that I didn't know, is that I didn't
31:50
want to believe we are the same because growing up going back to
31:54
what I said earlier. We were fed the sole thing where
31:58
this person that follows this sir, Marcia things like that, or
32:03
don't like that. But when I came to elevate TV,
32:05
it was Important. And I think that was part of the
32:07
global. She, our Unity, when it comes to
32:10
the English world, the Western World.
32:11
So, if you look at Unity today, yeah, you can see it clearly in
32:15
the English world. So, you can now even recite
32:18
anything in English or give a lecture in English.
32:20
Or even poetry readings Weber is, you will be in any Community
32:24
whether you're able to work with what are they follow a different
32:26
marja or whether they come from the hoja community, the Parsi
32:29
Community? They have included.
32:30
English language has I think helped I'm the luckiest guy.
32:34
I know, I completely agree. It's been a very, very, very
32:41
good discussion hamdulillah. That was the first part.
32:43
Would you think I had you feel about that?
32:46
It was a bit weird because normally, I recite, and I don't
32:48
know what happened. It's a bit of a change and, and
32:52
I didn't know actually, I hold this much of use myself.
32:55
So, the fact I'm talking with you today, you know, II, think
32:59
people got some value, hopefully in and this conversation and in
33:03
sha Allah. These, this is something If I
33:06
said something, they, you know, they disagreed with an end of
33:08
the day. This is my opinion, and my
33:10
opinion is my own but inshallah, you know, Shalom is not offended
33:14
anyone and forgive us if no, of course not.
33:16
No intention, of course, hundred percent and we've got a lot
33:19
coming up in the coming weeks. I know he's speaking about
33:22
everything and anything. I'm excited for the next.
33:25
Yeah podcasts. But we're not going to tell them
33:27
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