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Peace of Mind Through Full Dependence on Christ with Greg Dempster & A Love to Live By with Dr. Winfred Neely · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew. Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome
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  S1: what seems impossible and live as you never imagined delivering
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  S1: the truth daily.
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  S2: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
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  S2: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S2: that would make it worth it.
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  S3: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S3: the life source, which is God.
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  S4: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S4: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S4: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now, from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and Crew. Oh.
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  S5: I know for those of you that have never been anxious,
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  S5: this is an irrelevant topic here this week.
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  S3: Yeah. Sorry I had to sit around and wait for this. Sorry.
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  S6: We get we get done with.
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  S5: This in a day and a half, we'll be done.
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  S6: Moving on.
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  S2: Have you ever heard somebody say that they were anxious
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  S2: about something, and it caught you totally by surprise because
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  S2: they just didn't seem like.
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  S6: Oh, yeah.
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  S2: They were. You know, I'm always grateful when people who
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  S2: I don't expect acknowledge that even they feel a little
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  S2: twinge of anxiety every once in a while. And I'm like, phew, okay.
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  S2: You're human.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S5: That's real.
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  S3: It's not just you.
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  S5: It's for real. Yeah. And, uh, it's, it's awesome. I'm
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  S5: going to be doing a road trip before too long here.
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  S5: A little, a little trip with, uh, Doctor Erwin Lutzer.
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  S3: Oh, cool.
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  S2: You and Doctor Erwin Lutzer going on a road trip.
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  S3: We gotta make that a podcast.
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  S5: A little bit of one.
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  S3: We get a microphone.
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  S2: I didn't know that.
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  S5: Well, it's not a long road trip. It's just a little,
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  S5: little drive. But we're going to be traveling together and, uh,
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  S5: I'm looking forward to it because you find out stuff,
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  S5: things like that. When you've got, there's something about windshield time.
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  S5: That's the best time going. You know what I mean?
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  S3: Oh, 100%. There's nothing better than a car drive conversation.
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  S4: Who's in charge of the car snacks?
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S5: You know what? We talked about that because we're going
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  S5: to shoot a video. And he said maybe we could
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  S5: have the videographers get our lunch together.
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  S2: Oh.
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  S3: I love it. Doctor Erwin Lutzer is bringing the Milk
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  S3: Duds for the drive.
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  S6: Yeah, he's always good.
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  S2: It's always good for a good dad joke. So maybe
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  S2: he's got. Are you kidding me? Stored up.
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  S4: That's gonna.
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  S6: Be.
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  S5: Yeah. I'm planning on the video shoot opening with a
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  S5: few jokes. Just because if I don't offer him up,
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  S5: he's going to take it anyway.
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  S2: Oh, yeah. Yes, he always has some right up his sleeve.
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  S5: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know his recall on
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  S5: these things. I can't remember. The only one I can
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  S5: remember is can't part with it. That's all I can
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  S5: remember of your jokes.
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  S2: Okay.
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  S3: Oh. That's it. 90% of a bald men still own
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  S3: a comb. Yeah, they just can't part with it.
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  S5: Can't part with it. That's it. And see, even there,
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  S5: it's like.
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  S2: He remembered the punch line, but not the setup.
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  S5: Well, I knew the setup too, but it was. It's
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  S5: just I can't tell jokes to save my neck. I
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  S5: tried it one time, and my.
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  S3: You did try it one time.
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  S2: I forgot when I was out.
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  S3: Yeah. Carl did it one time as a as a.
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  S3: You know, we know you're really missing Ali, so Carl's
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  S3: gonna try. And then all it did was basically it
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  S3: was just. This was an ad for. Wait till Ali
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  S3: comes back. Yeah.
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  S2: So he gave it to Jon. Jonathan.
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  S5: Appreciate that.
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  S2: Oh, boy.
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  S5: He firmly ensconced in my head never to try that again.
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  S5: Appreciate you.
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  S3: It was fun, I enjoyed it.
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  S5: Yeah, I know you did.
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  S2: I'm sure you were laughing.
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  S5: Because it went over like a toad in a punch bowl.
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  S4: It was funny though.
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  S3: It was the first time Diana laughed at the segment.
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  S5: Yeah, that's right.
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  S2: Diana, who never laughs at any of the jokes.
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  S5: Oh, Ali, you had to sit down with a cool brother.
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  S2: Oh my goodness. Doctor Winfred Nealy I love to live by.
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  S2: This is his call to the church to rediscover agape love. Yes,
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  S2: even when people are difficult, even when it's awkward, even
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  S2: when it's inconvenient. The call to love one another. How
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  S2: can we do better? Let's talk about it coming up.
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  S1: Breaking chains and running free. You're listening to Carl and crew.
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  S2: Doctor Winfred Nealey joining us. He's retired vice president and
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  S2: academic dean of Moody Theological Seminary. He has a new
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  S2: book out, A Love to Live By Rediscovering Agape Love
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  S2: in Scripture. I don't know if you've seen this, Doctor Neely,
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  S2: but I definitely feel this push toward accepting kind of
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  S2: more isolation. Like I need to have boundaries because people
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  S2: are problematic. And if I keep my circle small, then
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  S2: maybe I don't get hurt. I need coffee. I prefer
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  S2: my dog and a little bit of silence to the
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  S2: messiness of relationships. I'm throwing a lot at you, but
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  S2: has have you seen that trend I have.
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  S7: And I think it's a trend, but I think it
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  S7: runs deeper than that too, doesn't it? I think it
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  S7: says something fundamentally about us as people, that it is
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  S7: easier for us to be alone in some respects, or
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  S7: at least we think it is. The dogs are pretty
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  S7: predictable for sure. They get all excited when we come home.
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  S7: It reminds me of when I was at, um, a
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  S7: country music, uh, ribfest several years ago. Uh, the, uh,
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  S7: the singer who, who could sing very, very well, by
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  S7: the way, was singing about her dog and how she
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  S7: appreciated the dog after her, her relationship with her ex
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  S7: had gone south. And, you know, dog is always predictable. Uh,
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  S7: but no, I think, um, and, you know, you, you,
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  S7: you get coffee and things like that, but It is
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  S7: fundamentally at odds with who God himself is. Relationship with
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  S7: the other is, if I can use this term inherent
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  S7: built into God Himself. Yeah, he is one being, but
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  S7: he exists eternally in three distinct but inseparable persons self
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  S7: distinctions God the Father, God the Son, and God the
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  S7: Holy Spirit. And they have been in fellowship and relationship
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  S7: within the life of God Himself from all eternity. That
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  S7: never was a moment, that never was a time when
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  S7: they were not in relationship and fellowship with one another. Yeah,
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  S7: it's absolutely stunning to think about that. And so, uh,
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  S7: that posture is, uh, of wanting to be alone, that
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  S7: people are problems, so forth and so on. And people
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  S7: can be problematic.
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  S2: I mean, let's be honest.
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  S7: You know.
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  S2: For sure there's.
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  S7: Some truth to that. You know, people can be problematic.
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  S7: But yet, uh, that, that idea of not wanting to
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  S7: be around people is fundamentally at odds with who God is.
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  S2: Yeah. You know, from your perspective, your pastoral journey, what
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  S2: burden or moment caused you to or convicted you that
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  S2: the church needs a fresh call to agape or Christ
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  S2: like love?
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  S7: Oh, just being a part of the church for the
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  S7: last 50 years. The inability to reach out to people.
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  S7: The inability to care. The. The ministerial envy, which is
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  S7: another concern. Um, you know, um, when we're talking about
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  S7: ministry people, people who are mature in, in the Lord
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  S7: supposedly are getting into these ministerial squabbles with so and
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  S7: so may have more preaching ability or, or so-and-so may
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  S7: have more writing ability. And so and so may have
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  S7: a larger platform than I have. Right. And instead of
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  S7: focusing on Christ and advancing the kingdom of God and
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  S7: celebrating one another, we find ourselves in this vortex of
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  S7: ministerial envy, and it's hurting the church. That's just one.
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  S7: Then there there are marriages, for example, where what one
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  S7: spouse feels matters more than commitments they made at the
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  S7: altar to say, I you know, I give myself to
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  S7: this man or to this woman for the rest of
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  S7: my life to love them. And what happens is feelings
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  S7: and other decisions trump those vows and those commitments. Uh,
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  S7: and there is. And so that's, that's another problem. And
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  S7: it's quite, it's quite prevalent, believe it or not, in
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  S7: the church where, uh, instead of sacrificial love, we have feelings.
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  S7: And what I want to do at the expense of
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  S7: my husband or my wife and my children. Yeah. Um,
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  S7: mean spirited. Uh, sometimes you can go into a, a
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  S7: local congregation of people. And frankly, unfortunately, some of the
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  S7: meanest people on earth are in church and they think
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  S7: it's okay. And what they don't understand is that this
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  S7: is antithetical to Christ. It's antithetical to God, and it's
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  S7: hurting the gospel. Now we tell people, I've said this
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  S7: to people, well, you cannot look at Christians. Christians are
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  S7: not perfect. You have to look at the Lord. Well,
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  S7: you know, I get that. But God is calling us
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  S7: to be a testimony. He's calling us to be a witness.
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  S7: The Lord Jesus says, hereby shall all men know that
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  S7: you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
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  S7: And so I had the distinct impression that this is
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  S7: a big need of the church. Moreover, I have been
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  S7: a student of Scripture for for the for the last
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  S7: 50 years, pretty much. And in my, in my my
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  S7: study of the word, I always was able to come
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  S7: across a lot that was talked about concerning the love
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  S7: of God for us. Yes, you know God so loved
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  S7: the world that he gave his only begotten son. Herein
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  S7: is love. Not that we loved God, but that that
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  S7: he loved us. God demonstrated his love toward us in
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  S7: that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
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  S7: And that's all in our heads. You know that the
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  S7: ink in the scroll and all of this, the. To
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  S7: write the love of God above is it's impossible. So
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  S7: forth and so on. So there was a lot about
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  S7: God's love for us. What's striking is that there is
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  S7: very little about how we then are to love one
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  S7: another because we have a personal experience, the love of God.
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  S7: And so it was obvious to me that this was
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  S7: something that I needed to write about. Moreover, I needed
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  S7: a reminder myself because I am profoundly selfish and I
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  S7: need to be reminded every day That is my responsibility
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  S7: to love others in the power of the spirit.
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  S2: So let's talk a little bit about what that looks
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  S2: like or what you discovered when you did search scripture for.
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  S2: I mean, start with a definition of agape love. Many people.
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  S2: This may be a refresher, but I don't want to
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  S2: make any assumptions. What did you see even about the
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  S2: word agape that maybe was fresh or new?
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  S7: Well, agape. It's God Himself who gives the term its meaning. Really.
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  S7: Now it is interesting because this is the term that's
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  S7: used primarily for the love of God in the Greek
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  S7: New Testament. It's also used in the translation of the
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  S7: of the Old Testament in the Greek. So it's, it's,
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  S7: it's a, it's a term, but it's been taken up
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  S7: by the Spirit of God to communicate to us something
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  S7: about the love of God. And when we think of
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  S7: agape love as it relates to God, it is a
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  S7: love that gives, love that serves. It's a love that
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  S7: sacrifices for the highest good and nourishing of the other,
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  S7: without taking into consideration any benefit that the person who
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  S7: shows the love can derive from expressing love in this way. Yeah.
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  S7: So it is other focused. It is a holy determination.
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  S7: It is not. It's not feelings, although feelings may be involved,
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  S7: but it is fundamentally a choice. It's fundamentally a decision.
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  S7: And it's different from romantic versions of love.
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  S2: Very much so. You know, we've talked a lot about
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  S2: on this show. There there's been almost an epidemic of
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  S2: estrangements within within families where you have a lot of
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  S2: times it's adult children who are at odds with their
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  S2: with their parents, grandparents who are no longer able to
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  S2: see their their grandchildren. Even among among believers where there's
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  S2: been some sort of fallout and there's been a more
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  S2: acceptance of just sort of allowing those boundaries to be
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  S2: set up where relationships are cut off for the foreseeable future.
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  S2: How do we balance these two, where we don't want
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  S2: to overlook wrongs that have been done? We don't want
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  S2: to overlook where there's been real harm that's been done,
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  S2: but we also don't want to embrace a worldly approach
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  S2: to kind of what's called cancel culture, where people are
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  S2: cut off. People are kind of written off as irredeemable.
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  S2: How do we climb up on that high ridge, as
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  S2: Carl likes to say, where we. We don't ignore offenses
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  S2: and abuses, but we also don't cancel and cut people
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  S2: off in a very worldly way.
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  S7: Well, I'm glad you asked that. I have a whole
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  S7: chapter devoted to that in the book. The title of
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  S7: the chapter is covering a multitude of sins. And one
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  S7: of the things that I highlight is that hatred and
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  S7: love respond differently to the sins and failures of others.
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  S2: Oh, okay. Explain.
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  S7: Well, when Peter quotes the proverb, love covers a multitude
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  S7: of sins, he's actually drawing that from Proverbs chapter ten,
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  S7: verse 12. But love covers a multitude of sins. It's
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  S7: the second half of the line. See? And again, I
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  S7: can go into more depth. um about this in the book,
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  S7: but the, the, the text actually says hatred stirs up strife,
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  S7: but love covers all, all transgressions. What the proverb is
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  S7: saying that when others fail, hatred stirs up strife. Love
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  S7: is going to find a way to deal with this
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  S7: failure biblically. So there are two different responses to, to
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  S7: the to the sins and failures of others. Now, uh,
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  S7: and I have a section in that chapter that if
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  S7: you're being physically abused, for example, by your husband or
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  S7: your wife, you need to get a plan to get
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  S7: out of there. I got, I got, got that in
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  S7: the book. It's italicized. Okay, so we're not talking about
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  S7: covering a multitude of sins. We're not talking about accepting
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  S7: physical abuse and harm. This, this is not what we're
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  S7: talking about. What we are saying is that when sin
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  S7: has been acknowledged, When sin has been confessed, when sin
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  S7: has been dealt with appropriately, we are able to move
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  S7: on and ideas are. Love covers a multitude of sins.
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  S7: Love is going to find a way. How can I
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  S7: deal with this in a way that's going to honor God,
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  S7: and it's going to promote the flourishing of the person
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  S7: who sinned against me. Does that mean that, um, I
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  S7: may have to be in relationship with the person I
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  S7: talk about? There's a difference between forgiveness and reconciliation. Perhaps
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  S7: reconciliation may not be possible this side of heaven, given
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  S7: the gravity of what's happened. There may be some kind
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  S7: of child abuse. And God forbid that I have to
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  S7: say that on the air. But it may have been
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  S7: some kind of child abuse involved and so forth and
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  S7: so on. Those kinds of circumstances, reconciliation, this side of
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  S7: heaven is highly unlikely, but this idea of cancel culture
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  S7: is antithetical to the Bible. It's not. This is antithetical
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  S7: to God. You know, for example, now I can say
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  S7: this because I was, uh, he's gone now. I was
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  S7: physically abused by my stepdad. I was physically abused. And it,
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  S7: it haunted me up until well into my late 60s. Right.
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  S7: I was mad and I was angry and I wrote
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  S7: a poem about it. What love will try to do
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  S7: because he's gone is to remember Redemptively. And I wrote
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  S7: a poem about it, and it was in the last
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  S7: line of the poem. When I say that my stepfather
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  S7: was probably abused himself before I came along. AM I
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  S7: excusing him? No. Have I extended forgiveness? Yes, but I'm
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  S7: trying to understand some of the. What was all of that?
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  S7: And so I say all that to say that the
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  S7: issue that you raise is a very complex one.
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  S2: Sure.
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  S7: And it's going to take some time to for different
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  S7: individuals to work through that. But work through it. They must.
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  S7: We must not adopt the world's approach to these matters
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  S7: because it's not reflective of the character of God.
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  S2: Doctor Winfred Neily with us this morning. Wish we had
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  S2: all morning to talk about this, but I do want
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  S2: to point you to the resource. I love to live
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  S2: by rediscovering agape love in Scripture. He also has a
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  S8: Do you think the illusion.
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  S5: Of salvation that we have is more the result of
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  S5: not understanding the love of God, or not grasping the
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  S5: depth of our sin?
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  S4: Ooh.
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  S3: That's a good question.
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  S2: Uh, I think current cultural context not grasping the depth
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  S2: of our sin.
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  S3: I would agree. I think, I think that that that's
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  S3: probably the normal answer because I think it all starts
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  S3: with understanding the depth of your sin. Yeah. God communicates
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  S3: to us the depth of our sin, which then allows
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  S3: us to understand just how amazing he really is.
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  S2: Yeah. And if you think when you talk about the
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  S2: good news, I mean, you've heard people say that it's
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  S2: not good news until you hear the bad news. And
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  S2: so when you talk about being found being rescued, a
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  S2: lot of people are like, well, I'm not, I'm not lost.
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  S2: I don't really need to be rescued. I think I'm
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  S2: all right.
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  S5: So you think John 316 can ring pretty hollow for
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  S5: someone that doesn't see themselves rightly?
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  S3: Yeah, totally.
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  S4: Absolutely.
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  S2: Because the love of God gets everybody talking. I don't
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  S2: want to overgeneralize, but a lot of people talk about
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  S2: God's love. And it started to it start to mean
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  S2: almost nothing where it's like, oh yeah, God loves everybody
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  S2: and it's true, but it's lost the richness of its
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  S2: meaning when it's kind of slapped on to God's love
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  S2: being God's approval. Uh, that God's like belonging, being a
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  S2: child of God, which we've talked about that we, we
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  S2: are not born children of God. We just aren't until we.
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  S5: Big deal. Yeah, but to as many as received him,
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  S5: to them, he gave the right to become children of God. Yeah.
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  S5: Crystal clear in Scripture. I mean, I don't know where
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  S5: that notion crept in. I mean, I will grant you,
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  S5: we are all born image bearers.
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  S2: Image bearers?
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  S5: Yes. But we are not children of God until we
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  S5: are born again. You know, he's big on that point, man.
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  S3: Yes. Amen.
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  S5: I applaud.
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  S3: It. I think of first Corinthians 123, uh, as you
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  S3: talk about this, where Paul says, we preach Christ crucified,
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  S3: a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Gentiles.
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  S3: Why was it, why was Christ crucified a stumbling block
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  S3: to the Jews? Well, first, because they were the chosen people.
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  S3: And then also they had the law that they could.
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  S3: If they could just do enough, they could get close
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  S3: enough to God. It was on them, in a sense.
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  S3: And then also, why is it foolishness for the Gentiles?
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  S3: Because what is this God need to die for me for?
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  S3: That doesn't make any sense. And so I think that
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  S3: it all comes down to with not recognizing the depth
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  S3: of our sin.
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  S5: Yeah. The interesting thing about a stumbling block is that
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  S5: the reason I think even a deeper layer to being
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  S5: a stumbling block is that doing something Actually becomes an
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  S5: insulator from seeing the something that you most need to see.
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  S2: What do you. What do you mean? I'm not sure
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  S2: I understand.
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  S5: Doing religious acts. Um, trying to be good actually insulates
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  S5: us from seeing how ugly we are deep within.
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  S3: Makes it so much harder.
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  S2: We can always find somebody who's worse, you know, it's like.
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  S4: Yeah, right.
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  S2: I'm not perfect, but I'm certainly not like them. That guy.
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  S2: I'm not, I'm not committed any crimes. I've not done
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  S2: this like I can. We can find somebody worse.
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  S3: Look at how righteous I am. Look at how how
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  S3: many good things I do in a day.
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  S5: Yeah. It's easy man. And so the stumbling block is.
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  S5: What do you mean? He died for me, a sinner. Yeah.
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  S5: What do you mean? What do you mean? There's nothing
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  S5: good in me, right?
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  S3: I follow the law.
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  S5: What do you mean?
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S5: How can this be? I don't know where you're at today.
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  S5: Boom crew. But I'll tell you this. It is a
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  S5: wise thing to be able to say two things. Number one,
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  S5: who I'm more sinful than I imagine in God's grace
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  S5: is more Bountiful than I give it credit for.
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  S2: So true, so true.
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  S5: Oh my goodness. And that isn't diminishing your identity in Christ.
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  S5: It's really elevating the grace of God.
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  S3: And in fact, it elevates or not elevates, but highlights
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  S3: our new image in Christ. Because even though.
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  S5: We were yet sinners.
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  S3: Christ died for us. That's how worth it you are
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  S3: to him.
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  S5: Yeah, I think I think the notion still is that, well,
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  S5: you know, it can fall into the God must be
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  S5: a little bit happy to have me.
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  S3: Yeah.
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  S5: Because there's some pretty good stuff.
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  S3: I'm a pretty good.
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  S5: No one would ever say that. Well, I just take
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  S5: that back. Some people actually do. Yeah, right. But there's
• 24:20
  S5: that weird little notion. And if we can get that, see?
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  S5: good theology really can help our pace and cadence with God.
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  S5: If we can embrace the fact that God loved us
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  S5: when we were totally and completely unlovable. Man, that will
• 24:39
  S5: take us a long way, no doubt. I know you
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  S5: want to say, well, now, Carl. There's a little something. No, no.
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  S2: There's a song that's popular and I hesitate to even
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  S2: say the lyrics. But every time I hear this song,
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  S2: I wonder, because I could. I think you could make
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  S2: a theological case for two different perspectives, perspectives on it.
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  S2: So the main part of the song opens with this.
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  S2: It's a powerful ballad, and it says, you thought I
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  S2: was worth saving, so you came and saved my life.
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  S2: And so I always think, okay, did God think we
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  S2: were worth saving? On one hand, yes. Yes, because he
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  S2: saved us. But on the other hand, I don't know
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  S2: that he saved us because he thought.
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  S3: We were worth.
• 25:29
  S2: And I love the song, and it's a popular one,
• 25:31
  S2: and a lot of people love it. But every time
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  S2: I hear it, I sort of wrestle with this tension of,
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  S2: is that true?
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  S5: No, I.
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  S2: You firmly land on the side of.
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  S5: Oh yeah, I think.
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  S2: You thought I was.
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  S5: Worth.
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  S2: Saving is not. Oh, well, you're going to mess with
• 25:46
  S2: some people because it's a really popular song.
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  S5: Well, it's but but we got to, we got to
• 25:51
  S5: stay straight on this one. I'm not knocking. Is it
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  S5: a Christian song?
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  S2: Oh, yeah. Oh it's a very popular.
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  S5: Okay.
• 25:57
  S2: Well that's okay though.
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  S5: I'm sorry, but I, you know, the, the fact is
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  S5: there was we were not worth saving. That's the beauty
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  S5: and the mystery and the profundity of the gospel while
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  S5: we were yet sinners in the in that term, sinners
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  S5: does not mean missing it a little bit. It means
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  S5: missing it all the way. He died for us. That's
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  S5: that's a radical difference. You know, we we you know,
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  S5: I'm sorry, but I, I watched too many great theologians
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  S5: that really spike a few points over and over again.
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  S5: And this is one of them. If we do not
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  S5: understand how far we are from God, we will never
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  S5: understand the grace of God. That's what's undermined with a
• 26:49
  S5: statement like that.
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  S2: Well, okay, so what if you look at it from
• 26:52
  S2: the perspective, if he didn't think there was worth, is
• 26:56
  S2: not attached to us, but like he saw value in
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  S2: saving us.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S2: So you he thought there was value to saving as
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  S2: opposed to not. Would you are you swayed at all
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  S2: to find room for.
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  S5: Yeah. I mean, the the act of reconciliation and Shannon
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  S5: regeneration took something that was not and made it something.
• 27:24
  S5: So is there a love? Is there an affection for
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  S5: us from God? Yeah, that's. He loved us so much
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  S5: that he sent his son. Is it attached to innate
• 27:36
  S5: worth or is it attached to what could be. Could
• 27:41
  S5: I appeal to the latter?
• 27:42
  S3: Could we say that it's it's not material worth of
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  S3: God saved us because there's something that we can do
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  S3: for him, but there is a sense of ascribed worth
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  S3: to us that that even though we are, we can
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  S3: bring nothing to him. He ascribes a sense of worth
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  S3: to us, even though we are inherently not of worth. Is.
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  S3: Does that make any sense?
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  S5: Yeah. I mean, at the end of the day. There
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  S5: is none righteous. No, not one.
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  S3: Right.
• 28:18
  S5: So there is no one that has right standing with God.
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  S5: Are we created in the image of God? Yes. Uh.
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  S5: Does he does he find the act of sacrifice to
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  S5: save our souls of worth? Yes. The danger is when
• 28:35
  S5: we begin to say, yeah, I had something in me
• 28:39
  S5: that was worthy saving grace, man. God's grace is so good.
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  S1: It's Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
• 28:49
  S2: Well, he's become a trusted voice here on Carl and Crew.
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  S2: Greg Dempster. Christ Life Ministries, we've had him on often,
• 28:56
  S2: particularly when we talk about areas about just Christian living,
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  S2: removing that gap that often exists between what we believe
• 29:03
  S2: to be true about God and what we experience in
• 29:06
  S2: our day to day life. I'm paraphrasing their mission statement.
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  S2: Greg Dempster with us, founder and director of Christ Life Ministries.
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  S2: When we think about the pursuit of peace for so
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  S2: many believers. They've read the scriptures. They may know intellectually
• 29:22
  S2: that when we know God, we can know peace. That's
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  S2: even a slogan that exists out there. But yet, we
• 29:29
  S2: walk through life so often lacking peace, filled with worry
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  S2: and anxiety that we kind of stuff away, getting from
• 29:38
  S2: one crisis to the next. Greg first, just speak to
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  S2: I know for you, peace is not a program, and
• 29:46
  S2: we can almost sometimes approach it as like a couple
• 29:49
  S2: of five step process to get to peace. Why is
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  S2: that the wrong way to look at it?
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  S9: Well, that's, that's actually a brilliant statement. And I think
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  S9: that we tend to approach life as if it all
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  S9: depends on us, that we move forward according to making
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  S9: the right decisions or thinking the right way, or having
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  S9: the strength or the vitality to, to pull it off. And,
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  S9: and God wants to free us at the core from
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  S9: the self-empowered life, a life that is lived as if
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  S9: it all depends on us. And then we try to
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  S9: depend on God or pray when. When it seems to
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  S9: be too much. But but that that combination is deadly
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  S9: really for us. That that the very work of God
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  S9: in our lives is to free us from ourselves and
• 30:37
  S9: to cause us to be dependent on him. So anxiousness.
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  S9: Anxiety is a natural byproduct of carrying weight that we
• 30:45
  S9: were never designed to carry. And so you can't fix
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  S9: that with a program. You need to fix that with
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  S9: the person of Jesus, who, by the way, calls himself
• 30:54
  S9: the Prince of Peace.
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  S2: Yeah. You've heard the people say, like, I do my
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  S2: best and God does the rest. And it's sort of
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  S2: this approach to like, God kind of fills in the
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  S2: gaps when I fall short, when I've invested my best,
• 31:09
  S2: then God kind of helps me. And you know, it. It's,
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  S2: it's like half true, but pretty far from fully true.
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  S9: Yeah. You know that it's John 155 just lays it
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  S9: out as clear as it could be communicated that apart
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  S9: from Jesus, we can do what? Something or maybe a
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  S9: little bit we could do nothing. And and somehow, I
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  S9: guess it's not all that remarkable that we, we depend
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  S9: on ourselves so much because that's all we had to
• 31:42
  S9: depend on prior to Christ. Yeah. It's it's the well
• 31:45
  S9: worn path. But Jesus is calling us to walk with
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  S9: him and to, to, to walk a narrow path that, that, uh,
• 31:56
  S9: doesn't look like the way that we've lived before. And
• 31:59
  S9: so I, if you're feeling anxiety today, I just want
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  S9: to say, guess what? That makes you really normal and,
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  S9: and that a God allowing anxiety for you to feel
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  S9: anxiety should be looked at differently though, and that is
• 32:15
  S9: that it's like that red light on your dashboard saying
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  S9: I'm carrying something I was never designed to carry. The
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  S9: anxiety is a sign that I'm living in some ways
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  S9: independently from the Almighty. And he's calling me. Psalm 5522.
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  S9: First Peter five seven. To learn how to cast my care,
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  S9: and in doing so receive the very care of God.
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  S2: You know, the casting of your cares involves some action
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  S2: on our part. It doesn't necessarily happen automatically when we
• 32:46
  S2: are in. We talked about earlier this week, kind of
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  S2: one of those fear loops where something triggers the thought
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  S2: that of what if this could happen? And then your
• 32:54
  S2: mind just goes way down the tracks of all of
• 32:58
  S2: catastrophizing is the word that people use. How do we
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  S2: learn to cast our cares to take that action step?
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  S2: Where then the result is that we're no longer carrying
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  S2: what we were never intended to?
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  S9: You know it was Augustine who said that that a
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  S9: primary part of our fallenness is deprivation, that we were
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  S9: designed to suck in, to drink in the very life
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  S9: of God, and as a result of sucking in or
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  S9: attempting to draw life from other sources, we find ourselves
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  S9: tremendously thirsty. Yeah. And and again, we can succeed and
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  S9: feel all of the, the positive, the benefits that go
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  S9: along with succeeding and not be drinking from the almighty
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  S9: that it's, it's short lived, that it's, it's really, uh,
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  S9: it amounts up to, to nothing before the Lord that
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  S9: the things that we do apart from him. And so
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  S9: the idea that we could today say, hey, my anxiousness
• 34:00
  S9: is an indicator that I'm carrying something that I was
• 34:04
  S9: never designed to carry. I'm going to take a season of,
• 34:09
  S9: of admitting my inability before God. What that might look
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  S9: like is waking up and spending your first half an
• 34:16
  S9: hour before you're on social media, before you're getting ready
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  S9: for work. Maybe it means that you're actually needing to
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  S9: get up earlier, or just change some of the things
• 34:25
  S9: that are a normal part of your day. News, for me,
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  S9: is one of those things that gets chopped up real quickly. Yeah,
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  S9: it creates anxiety and, and then set aside time to
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  S9: admit inability. Proclaim Jesus as your Lord, as your, as
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  S9: really the, the new owner of your life and ask
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  S9: him to, to relieve you of the weight that you're
• 34:50
  S9: carrying and, and, and do something in you that you
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  S9: can't do for yourself.
• 34:54
  S2: You know, Philippians four six and seven, common passage of Scripture.
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  S2: I remember writing this one out when I was a
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  S2: freshman in college, 17 years old, younger than everybody else,
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  S2: moved a couple ten hours drive from home and I
• 35:09
  S2: was battling anxiety like I never had. And so this
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  S2: was a passage of scripture that I went to often
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  S2: do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation,
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  S2: by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to
• 35:21
  S2: God and the peace of God, which transcends all understanding
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  S2: or passes all understanding, will guard your heart and your
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  S2: minds in Christ Jesus. Many people have that one committed
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  S2: to memory. A part that often gets overlooked is the
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  S2: thanksgiving is the gratitude. And the irony is, the world
• 35:37
  S2: has adopted gratitude as a really powerful thing, separate from God.
• 35:41
  S2: I'm not even sure who we're told to thank, but
• 35:44
  S2: we're told to be grateful because it's good for us.
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  S2: What do you see in this passage that maybe is
• 35:50
  S2: easily missed?
• 35:51
  S9: I think that if you're you're living for yourself, which
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  S9: we all do, it's really hard to drum up gratitude
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  S9: for God. I mean, if you're if you're milking life,
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  S9: if you're value farming, uh, in life and, and trying
• 36:06
  S9: to gain a sense of importance or value or significance
• 36:10
  S9: or or approval. Then it's really hard to flip the
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  S9: switch and, and bring gratitude and praise in the way
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  S9: that God's designed it to be offered, which is you now, Lord,
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  S9: are my life. You're, you're the very heart of my hearts. You're, you're,
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  S9: I can't do anything without you. That, that truly, I
• 36:35
  S9: recognize my impoverished state outside of you being my Lord
• 36:41
  S9: and my God. When. When you turn the corner and
• 36:44
  S9: begin to admit your inability, what you find is a
• 36:49
  S9: greater receptivity to God's intervention, his help. And you find
• 36:55
  S9: it naturally gratitude naturally flowing, uh, towards God instead of
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  S9: being something that you're like pumping the dry pump, you're.
• 37:03
  S9: We're starting a car that just won't start. That's how
• 37:06
  S9: most of us approach some of these aspects of the
• 37:09
  S9: pursuit of God or gratitude in God, and God's just
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  S9: designed it to be different.
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  S2: Are you a fan of of like a gratitude journal?
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  S2: Do you find that to be a helpful place to start?
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  S2: Those have become popular lately.
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  S9: I just think anything that you can do so that
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  S9: you become a James one type of person where you're
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  S9: able to look into the mirror and not immediately forget
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  S9: what you look like, but you're applying what God's giving you.
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  S9: If journaling is something that really helps you, then awesome.
• 37:42
  S9: And gratitude journaling, just being aware of what God like
• 37:47
  S9: the grace of God. Of course, grace is God doing
• 37:49
  S9: something for us that we can't do for ourselves. Just
• 37:52
  S9: being aware of those things that we couldn't do for
• 37:55
  S9: ourselves that that God's doing for us totally primes the
• 38:00
  S9: pump and, and pushes us or points us in the
• 38:03
  S9: right direction related to living this Philippians four. Type of
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  S9: life where we're rejoicing in the Lord. We're. We're regularly.
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  S9: Full of gratitude towards him and then. And then not
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  S9: only praising him, but also praising him through going to
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  S9: him and admitting that the difficulty that we're in right
• 38:23
  S9: now is something that we can't solve on our own.
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  S2: Now, your ministry, one of your the the heart of
• 38:29
  S2: your ministry is really for leaders. And so when leaders
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  S2: find their way to you, it's usually because there's been some.
• 38:36
  S2: Whether it's a slow leak or a blow up, there's
• 38:39
  S2: some sort of a crisis. Give us a story without
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  S2: giving us any identifying details. But how you have approached
• 38:47
  S2: a leader who is dealing with anxiety or just the, the,
• 38:52
  S2: the fear of, I guess, the unknown or the everyday
• 38:56
  S2: life stressors, because there's a pressure on leaders to to
• 38:59
  S2: lead with peace, to practice what they are preaching. And
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  S2: it can be a real source of stress when that's
• 39:05
  S2: not happening. Give us a story.
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  S9: Yeah, it can be a mask that you put on
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  S9: that you you're the most peaceful person in the room,
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  S9: even though beneath the surface you are really struggling. Well,
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  S9: I'll give you a story from my own life. So
• 39:19
  S9: my son, my oldest son, Elias, he's been having all
• 39:23
  S9: sorts of digestion issues. He was in the hospital for
• 39:26
  S9: three days about a month ago, and we when we
• 39:29
  S9: got the news, he was 21 that he had admitted
• 39:31
  S9: himself in the hospital. I felt like I got both
• 39:36
  S9: barrels of a 12 gauge shotgun blasted right into my chest.
• 39:40
  S9: I felt massive, uh, anxiousness and concern and fear and
• 39:47
  S9: and I don't know that that that would have in
• 39:52
  S9: any way been treated outside of me. I didn't make
• 39:58
  S9: the right, like make the right decision and engage the
• 40:02
  S9: right program to deal with this anxiousness rightly. I just
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  S9: had no other options. Ali. I just, I, I just,
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  S9: I just humbled myself before the Lord and, and got
• 40:15
  S9: into a rhythm where my day was, uh, had all
• 40:19
  S9: sorts of space. Um, even though I'm as busy as
• 40:23
  S9: you could ever imagine. I just had my watch giving
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  S9: me a 15 minute, uh, pulse on my wrist, and
• 40:29
  S9: I would even in a conversation, I'd bow my heart
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  S9: before the Lord and admit my inability and ask for,
• 40:35
  S9: for healing, uh, for my son. Now, the second chapter
• 40:39
  S9: of that is that just recently, he's been diagnosed with
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  S9: what looks like stage four kidney disease. And it might
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  S9: be something that can be treated, it might be related
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  S9: to his ulcerative colitis, but I'm upstairs working, laying hardwood
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  S9: floor in my home and praying for him. And I
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  S9: just sensed G. Draw near. You know, Psalm 139 does
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  S9: say that there's nowhere we can flee from the presence
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  S9: of Jesus. And he actually brought Philippians four to my
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  S9: mind and my heart in that moment and said, do
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  S9: not be anxious. And that wasn't just a statement for me.
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  S9: It was an opportunity to turn my attention back to
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  S9: him and entrust to cast my care, which my is
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  S9: my son, onto him and to allow him to carry it.
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  S9: And in doing so, there's this this margin, this ever
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  S9: growing margin of peace that can be found there. So
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  S9: that that's my life and, and real life experiences that
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  S9: I'm in the middle of right now.
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  S2: Yeah. Greg, thank you so much for sharing that with us.
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  S2: I know so many people hear that. And whether it's a, a,
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  S2: a son or a daughter or a mom or a
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  S2: dad or somebody comes to their heart who's carrying something
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  S2: and they're carrying the weight of that too. And so
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  S2: that painting, the picture of what that looks like practically
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  S2: is so helpful. I want to point you to some
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  S2: resources on on the website for Christ Life Ministries. We've
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  S2: pointed to this before this, this discovery journey, you can
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  S2: go on to start to really work through some of
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  S2: the things that may be having you stuck. Just text
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  S2: the word life to 800 555, 7898, text life to
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  S2: 805 557898. Before I let you go, Greg, I just
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  S2: want to offer up a quick prayer for your for
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  S2: your boy. Lord, we just thank you that you are sovereign.
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  S2: You are powerful. God that there is no one like you. God.
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  S2: Who do we turn? Lord, you have the words of
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  S2: eternal life. God, you are our source. You are our healer.
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  S2: You are our strength. So I just pray right now
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  S2: for Greg's family and for his son specifically, Lord, for
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  S2: your healing hand, your hand of mercy, for wisdom, for
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  S2: the doctors. God for peace in Elias's heart. God that
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  S2: his heart would not be troubled. But even right now, God,
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  S2: he would take hold of your promise that there's a
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  S2: peace that surpasses all understanding that can be ours. God
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  S2: help him to cast his care upon you. And Lord,
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  S2: would you touch and heal his body, every single fiber
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  S2: of his being. Lord, we ask you to do it,
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  S2: and we know God that you are able. Lord, in
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  S2: Jesus name, Amen.
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  S1: Your shot of hope to help you through the day.
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  S1: This is Carl and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S5: Okay. It is. It is time. It is time. It's
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  S5: the bottom of the hour. 830 Central on Thursday. That
• 43:37
  S5: means it's time for this.
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  S1: Finding nuggets of truth in everyday life.
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  S10: It's a metaphor. It's just a metaphor, dude.
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  S11: That's a metaphor.
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  S10: Metaphor.
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  S12: I know it's a metaphor.
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  S1: It's time for making a metaphor with young thunder.
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  S5: It's a metaphor, dude. All right, now what we're doing
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  S5: is we're going to go to Jake in Sarasota, Florida.
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  S5: You give a story. Do not give the metaphor for
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  S5: a spiritual application. You just got a story, Jake, in Sarasota.
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  S5: You ready to go?
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  S13: What's up? Boom crew.
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  S5: Hey, man, what's your story, my man?
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  S13: Uh, today, July 16th, is my daughter's sixth birthday, and
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  S13: six years ago, we set out on a journey. I
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  S13: quit my job while I sold our house. And as
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  S13: a family of four, we set out on a school
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  S13: bus trip to live around the country and figure out life.
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  S3: Wow.
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  S13: And, uh, it's led us to our, our job today
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  S13: where we build them out for other people. And in
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  S13: lieu of that, uh, it's my daughter's birthday, like I said. So, uh,
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  S13: I heard your story, and I felt a lot of
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  S13: passion come and wanted to wish her a happy birthday
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  S13: and share my story today.
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  S14: I love it. What a cool thing, man.
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  S5: That's, uh, that's a pretty confined space, Jake.
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  S13: Yes, sir. How does.
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  S5: It move? You must have had some great adventures, huh?
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  S13: Oh, yeah. We. We traveled all around the United States
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  S13: for about a year and a half, and, uh, it
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  S13: was the most life changing experience that I've ever had. And, uh,
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  S13: I was in, uh, I wore a suit and tie
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  S13: every day prior to that. And now I get to build, uh,
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  S13: vans and school buses for other families and, and live
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  S13: the most amazing, wonderful life with my family.
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  S3: That's really cool. Wow.
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  S15: That's really cool. Instead of an RV, it's a school bus.
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  S3: I love that.
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  S16: That's awesome.
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  S3: Well, you know what?
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  S5: I you can make this a metaphor.
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  S3: Yeah, I think I'm ready to make it a metaphor, Jake,
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  S3: because I can imagine without your your family by your side,
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  S3: maybe you would have stuck in that suit and tie
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  S3: and stayed where you were at. AM I correct in
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  S3: that assumption?
• 45:39
  S13: I think without my wife's wonderful push or my bride,
• 45:42
  S13: as Carl says, gave me that nudge. I'd still be
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  S13: in a a routine and not knowing the the wonders
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  S13: that I know today with my wonderful family.
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  S3: I love that. I think that's really cool. And, and
• 45:53
  S3: so that's kind of where I want to go with
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  S3: this is the recognition of the beauty of the journey
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  S3: that you were on and how you kind of gave
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  S3: up everything you had in order to be on it.
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  S3: And I think about the words of Jesus from Matthew 13.
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  S3: He gives this parable of a hidden treasure where he says,
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  S3: the kingdom of heaven is like a treasure hidden in
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  S3: a field. When a man found it, he hid it again.
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  S3: Then he went and bought the field. He sold all
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  S3: he had in order to buy it so that he
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  S3: could obtain that treasure. I think about Jake, this adventure
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  S3: that you're on with your family. You recognized that there
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  S3: was something really special happening here, an amazing treasure that
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  S3: you could take hold of. So you basically sold all
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  S3: you had. You quit your job so that you could
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  S3: take a hold of this treasure in your life. And listen,
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  S3: the kingdom of God is the same exact way. It
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  S3: is a beautiful Adventure that we get to walk into
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  S3: eternity with our Savior and live in complete, sinless perfection
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  S3: with him one day, but not even just one day.
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  S3: The adventure that we have with him right now, when
• 47:02
  S3: we let him lead our lives. It is a treasure
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  S3: so beautiful that it gives us the opportunity to sell
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  S3: all we have to give up everything in order to
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  S3: obtain it. Not just what's to come, but what he
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  S3: has for us in this moment, right now. It's a
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  S3: beautiful treasure. And listen, if you've got something holding you
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  S3: back from obtaining that treasure, I urge you to sell it.
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  S3: All right? Now die to yourself and go on this
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  S3: journey by letting the Lord lead your life. It is
• 47:33
  S3: the best journey you can go on.
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  S5: Yeah. Good word, young thunder. He made it a metaphor.
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  S15: Make it a metaphor with young thunder.
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  S3: Thanks to Jake.
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  S5: Jake, I gotta tell you. Hold on. Bring Jake up. Hey, Jake. Um, man, you.
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  S5: That metaphor works. And you're you're spreading the word, man.
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  S5: You're wanting other people to get a taste of this life.
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  S5: That's cool. Now, I got a question for you, Jake.
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  S5: Do you have room on your bus for Carl and
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  S5: Crew prize pack somewhere, or are you just. No room left?
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  S13: Oh, I think we got plenty of room on it, sir.
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  S5: Okay. All right, we got one coming your way, big dawg.
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  S5: Way to go. Jake and Sarasota, Florida. Listen, Carl and
• 48:08
  S5: crew give a shout out to the boom crew. How
• 48:11
  S5: about this guy?
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  S3: I love it. And happy birthday to your daughter.
• 48:14
  S5: Yeah. Happy birthday. Wow. How many kids are on that bus, Jake?
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  S13: Uh, well, currently I have four children. Carl.
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  S5: Okay, I love that currently.
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  S15: I was wondering if it was like, giving Partridge family vibes.
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  S5: Oh, yeah. By the way, do you guys all sing
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  S5: together and do that stuff going down the road?
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  S13: Oh, we try, but it doesn't sound really good.
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  S5: At least you got a firm grip on what your
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  S5: gifts are and aren't. Way to go, Jake from Sarasota
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  S5: and Young Thunder teaming up. Make it a metaphor. Thanks, Jonathan.
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  S3: Very fun. Loved it.