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Making Monsters: Bears v Packers Preview with Corey Wootton · 2nd City Gridiron

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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, welcome back to another episode of Making Monsters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm Taylor Dahl, joined now by Corey Wu and you know him former defensive end for the Chicago Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now covering the bears for C. H. G. O.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Bears.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Corey, thanks for hopping on with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's it's hate week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's bears packers week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, this week, it's always been special, but Corey, I think recently with the way the competitive nature of it has grown, the bears are playing well against them since Caleb's been here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's beat the packers three times and so it's kind of crazy to see all of that happen, but thanks for hopping on it and talking to some bears, cheeseheads with me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: No, no problem at all.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Looking forward to this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I normally start with the offensive side of the ball and move, especially right now with the backup quarterbacks and everything that goes on with the Johnson's offense, but you being a defensive guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to get some of your thoughts on that right now, because I think a lot of people are kind of surprised when it comes to how well the defense is playing right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're sitting in top 10 and a lot of different categories.
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[SPEAKER_00]: sacks and past rush the pressure rate and all of the things that you kind of can categorize in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, channel a little bit, let's start with that upfront because that was one of the biggest questions coming into the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As can they get past rush going, can those guys in the interior stop the run and do their job all also penetrating.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So what have you seen so far from them up front?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the first game of the season, I was really worried because I Carolina absolutely carved him up right, run past, they had their way with them.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But since then, they've made adjustments and I think it hasn't been perfect because if I'm looking at the defense as a whole, I think the front floor is probably the weakest spot of the team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think they've done a good job of working together, right, with someone's out of their gap, right, the linebackers fitting off them or vice versa, so their front seven is
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[SPEAKER_02]: been really working together, especially in the run game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And then the past, the past for us with the front four hasn't been great, but I think at times they've continued with the back half help, some cover sacks, and Dennis Allen has done such a great job of designing some of those blitzes.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, we look at the last game, Gino Smith, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right up his alley, you know, Austin,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, Booker, you jumped up, then got the sack, you know, some of those guys have come at those disguise blitzes that I think is really confused people.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So Dennis Allen, I mean, hats off to him.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He has his defense playing lights out and I think we all kind of thought that would be the weak spot of the team.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We know all of the weapons offensively, but I think he's done a great job of working with what he has because to be honest, the bears don't have a dominant pasture, you're like, we have to fear that that person.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Montes wet, you know, some of these guys book her have just done a good job of continuing to come I think that's half the balance just the effort because you're going to get those sacks when you don't get home on the first or second move But that third move just continuing to put effort to the quarterback and that's kind of what we've seen from from that front for
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and to your point, I think that Dennis Allen, you don't really know offensively who's coming at you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's something that last year, I feel like Dennis Allen tried to blitz and it just they weren't getting home a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of injuries and things that played into last year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But this year so far, Dio, sweat and book are all have multiple sacks right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then,
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's, uh, Bush has a sack street has a sack in my home and has a sack to your point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a linebacker in a corner, also in the mix, um, that so far has been able to get to the quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, it hasn't fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with you in the sense of didn't soundstone a really good job, especially Corey talking about that secondary.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I think that when we're going into this also saying, color Gordon's injured and we don't know when he's going to come back and then Kobe Bryant gets her and we're like, oh, no, a rookie safety coming out and having to,
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know do well like you're kind of depending on him a lot and now you're trying to figure out corner back with it I feel like the secretary's done a pretty good job too of just kind of and that that's kind of what didn't sell and leans into a lot of his defenses too especially that nickel corner so I think that's off to them too so for being able to I'm like Muhammad and and Thena men coming out of playing the way that they have they've been two of the brightest spots and they've been rookie so which is really great to see because I think
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[SPEAKER_02]: The defense didn't do well as a unit, but I think those guys, steaming him in a Muhammad with a bright spot to that team, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You had a big pick, Muhammad, and steaming him in, you know, obviously the tackles, these are the team and tackles I believe.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he's been awesome and run defense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: His had a pick as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, those two have been the bright spots.
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[SPEAKER_02]: In any time you have a young defensive back,
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[SPEAKER_02]: Usually they have their eyes in the back field.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They're kind of unsure of themselves But they've seen like they've been veteran players that've been playing for six seven eight years Just the way they've handled business because their first game Tyree Stevenson, Jalen Johnson We're kind of like these are supposed to be the two best guys out there just the way they were playing and you seem to step slower
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[SPEAKER_02]: They seem like there weren't really back in the same way, but there are two rookies have it have it skip the beat, so they've stepped up huge, and that's really what has been the bright spot of this team has been the defense of backs, and I think these past two games, Jalen Johnson and Stevenson have bounced back, and I mean Stevenson missed the one opportunity to have a huge pick on Jino Smith, but he has bounced back since then, you know, great in the run defense, so I think what we're seeing is everybody elevating their game,
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[SPEAKER_02]: In a big reason, anytime you have a backup quarterback, being a former defensive player, you want to step up for the team, because you know you need it more than Arrakella, a bit so dynamic of what he can do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think the team just steps up every aspect from, you know, the running game offensively to what the defense can do.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if you're grading this team as a whole, the past two weeks, the defense has been the best asset this team has.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think it's huge because there's so many question marks, but I think they're playing at such a high level the way Dennis Allen is scripting it and they're all feeding off each other.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think that's the mark of a great team and the chemistry that they have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think one of the things I was excited to see was the line backers coming in because you had a lot of speed there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Dev and Bush is a really fast guy to Marco Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You saw glimpses of that last year, a healthy TJ Edwards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think all of that is coming together in a sense, too, in the way that you can use those linebackers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which I think will be an important aspect this weekend, Corey, because when you talk about, the Packers haven't been able to run the ball very well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I feel like if you continue that and you can completely
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[SPEAKER_00]: you know, being able to run whatsoever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In addition, you have some linebackers that you feel like can drop back in coverage and keep up with the Tucker craft and do some of that stuff midfield.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's where you would kind of expect them to get a lot of their yards considering Jaden reads her now out for the season.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They traded dobs and dauntavian wigs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of this Matthew golden and Tucker craft world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're kind of living in right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So to talk about that, just the linebackers in general, what you've seen so far from them and how you expect them to
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, I think obviously the week one, everybody's like, oh my god, we're all three levels, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Especially the front seven.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But since then, they bounce back.
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[SPEAKER_02]: TJ Edwards seems healthy now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Devon Bush is getting in the swing of things.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And the first two weeks, I think Devon Bush played really slow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's trying to figure things out, but now he's playing fast, Marco Jackson.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's one of my favorites to watch.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because sometimes he makes mistakes, but he makes him a hundred miles an hour.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what you love to see with the young guys.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, his play on the sideline and people say that was the dirty hit with Jalen and Hertz.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Jalen and Hertz was playing the game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's tiptoeing on the sideline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Go all the way out if you're going to go out.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But that changed the trajectory of the team of that game because look at after that Jalen Hertz goes on the sideline.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's in the concussion.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's in the tent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, and then Andy Dalton throws them a gift as a as a pick.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So that really changed the game and they kind of could never get things going offensively after that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would guess Jalen hurts probably had a concussion after that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I know they clear and we go back in, but he wasn't the same.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He took a couple hits.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He just didn't seem the same after that.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So love what I've seen from the Marco Jackson and I just like how they're playing fast right now.
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[SPEAKER_02]: First week.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, even at times in that Minnesota game, we just didn't see them playing fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what we see in the past two weeks is them playing very fast.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And you're going to make mistakes in football, but the biggest thing they're doing right now is playing at a very high level.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And when you play fast, you're able to correct, you know, some of those issues with gap discipline, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: The linebacker picks him up or the, you know,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you talk about Phenomen and his speed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You saw his 40-time before the draft.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think another guy when you talk about Devon Bush is a fast linebacker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it is you were waiting to see that speed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I was at the Carolina game and I remember being like, this is going to be a long year for allowing like 27 points every single game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And obviously that shifted a little bit since then.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's flip over to the offensive side of the ball when you talk about what the bears
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[SPEAKER_00]: are doing with quarterback right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, Kato Williams not in right now, Ben Johnson went with Tyson Bayesian last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I know a lot of people upset about that because of the game that case was coming off of, but he's been very adamant about Tyson Bayesian's his QB2.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think going right back to him is that boost of confidence for Tyson.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tyson also hasn't played a lot of football though, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he's learning a lot of things right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think these reps could be good for him for his future in the NFL, too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But try to little bit about that, Tyson Bayesian this weekend.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe comparably to what you saw last year, I mean, last week, especially.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I saw him start out very good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he looked very efficient to command of the offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think when they got in the red zone, and this is not just on him in general, but it just seemed like Ben Johnson was like maybe protecting him in the red zone, because we didn't see any play action.
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[SPEAKER_02]: because case kingdom he's he's a pocket pass right he's not a guy that can really scramble but taste and Beijing has better feed he's not Caleb Williams but I would like the way they were running the football right some of those bootlegs we have the option for him to go go to the pile on and if they crash on him dump it off so I want to see Ben Johnson this we get a little more creative in the red zone and don't be afraid to to pass the ball because
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[SPEAKER_02]: The bears run the ball so well, but they struggled in the resin, which is so surprising.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like, when they're in the middle of the field, I mean, Menungai and Swift have absolutely gone off, but then they get inside that 25-year-old line in a particular inside the 10, and they struggle to get things going.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think a lot of it, too.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, it's talking to Briggs about this.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They do a lot of gun runs on the goal line, which I absolutely hate.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because you have to go sideways to then go forward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And if there's any penetration in your, and you're doing a stretch scheme, penetration kills everything.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when we saw the first game of the season, Caroline, I was in the backfield, almost every plan, on the goal line situations, and some of the short yards.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I would like for Ben, even though that's not his bread and butter, short yards situations, get three tight ends.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Get a full back, maybe get an extra offensive lineman as a full back and just go downhill right go dive go power something that that any penetration won't kill right double teams combo blocks so I want to see some of that in the red zone because I think that that would be a lot better because you look at it like if Tyson Bayesian was able to capitalize on those opportunities in the red zone maybe have one touch sound to maybe have a rushing touchdown.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think everybody would have graded his performance a little bit better because case kingdom, the main difference was when he's in the red zone when he played the score.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They scored four touchdowns, five touchdowns.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it should have been five, but together one, one call, but I mean, was it Rome dropped it and coast in love in the distance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was your short.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I think you got to take advantage of those opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's what I want to see from Tyson Bayesian is taking advantage of those red zone opportunities and some of the decision making because, you know, obviously there was penalties that got those intersections called back, but there were some questionable throws.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I want to see them anticipate a little bit more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think case keynum did a better job of anticipating.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But for me, I was really surprised that Ben went with Tyson Bayesian.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Like after how well case keynum played,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And people are like, well, you know, you have to give him, you know, his opportunity.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But there's one person in my opinion that when he comes back and he's healthy, he's chubing of one and that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But, you know, I understand.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think Ben thinks he can win with everybody, but I think he had to go with the hot hand and for the way this offense was rolling with Kaseki, you know, I'm like, hey,
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[SPEAKER_02]: You play him in the first half and for some reason he doesn't do well, you put Tyson Bayesian in.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, that was kind of my thought, but I think there'll still be fine with Tyson Bayesian.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a talented guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think there were more trying to give him an opportunity and then see for trade value, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: Can we get something else for him?
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[SPEAKER_02]: If he bought it because we feel confident that case can come in when us some games.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I feel like it was probably.
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[SPEAKER_02]: with the trade deadline coming up, maybe as an opportunity to showcase what he can do, some of the teams that are like maybe tenancies like, hey, we gave up on Cam Mord.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's you, we can do for you guys looking good over there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and that's why I think Ben's very intentional, so all week when people would ask me, I'm like, I don't know, I'm just going to live in Johnson and make these choices, like everything he does offensively is very intentional.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And analytical and he's the perfectionist of everything.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I just kind of trust him in his sense, but it was hard going off a game from Monday night and how well Case was just dealing and looked comfortable in that offense to be like, man, do we really want to risk this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They win, but to your point a lot of points left on the field.
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[SPEAKER_00]: on that is so you don't want that against Green Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You can not leave points on the field against Green Bay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is a team that you don't want that to happen with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Calvin Young guy right now dealing with some injuries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Man is just, I love him so much watching him run the ball.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked last year, his decals falling off his helmet at certain points during the games and this last week, a lot of carries, 30 carries for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, banged up a little bit, it looks sounds like turf toe and a thumb.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm not worried about the thumb as much as I am that turf toe because that does linger sometimes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but do you think that hypothetically, if you know guys not out there, are you confident enough in Swift and Rojo to be able to carry this run game for a week or two?
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, the thing is, I think Swift isn't healthy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's still dealing with the lingering knee issue as well.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he just didn't seem like himself.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And obviously, fumbling has been a big concern.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So when we look at who is our best running back right now, I think we get all, have a consensus to say, it's been unguide.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Because he doesn't fumble, has him fumbles since high school.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think he's a guy that's steady atty, right?
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[SPEAKER_02]: When you need the two, three yards, he's in a fall forward.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So yeah, the turf toe, I think he's a tough guy.
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[SPEAKER_02]: be able to deal with it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I'll probably sum up before the game, you know, make sure that's feeling good.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I fully expect him to go.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's a workhorse.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think he's a old school type grinder.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He literally almost had more yards than the jets did to the office, which is crazy to me.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He had 147, I think the jets had 157, so those lines.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But I just right now the way the way
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[SPEAKER_02]: some fumbling issues.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think without the fumbling issues and and without the knee, I think swift is dynamic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Rochon Johnson, I mean, he's somebody that's kind of never lived up to the hype that we thought.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know, a couple of cararies, but I think we need man and this because people are, you know, I think they're they're going to put their best effort for.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm talking a little bit about the past catchers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The right now it was a lot of cally-framind and everybody I think was a little surprised outside of Chicago that it was so much cally-framind, but then you saw Rome this last week have one of his better games and then I fell in my opinion just everything he was doing from his blocking ability to catch in the ball of the things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then obviously you have Luther Burton who's another guy you haven't seen as much as the Titans that I thought I think a lot of people thought you're going to see what would you expect this weekend Would you see more Titans especially know Edgar and Cooper out there he just got injured what are your thoughts when it comes to that
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I would love to see some more coast and lovelin' co-comment.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, in that first game, co-comment had one of his better performances.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I know eating catch 10 balls, but he was very efficient, and is route running, you know, he had a nice touchdown pass that Caleb put right on the money.
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[SPEAKER_02]: But what I noticed is like, the backup quarterbacks, they target the tight ends, a lot better than Caleb has.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think it's just maybe comfortability,
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[SPEAKER_02]: And I think, you know, usually a tight end is a quarterback's best friend, especially when it comes to on the red zone, you know, across the middle when they're bringing pressure, right, that's usually that nightmare match, especially guy like coast and love.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he ran for four, four, nine.
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[SPEAKER_02]: He's a guy that can fly.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So he just need to find a way to get him to ball more.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Get loose.
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[SPEAKER_02]: burden the ball more because he is such a dynamic playmaker.
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[SPEAKER_02]: We see why he was projected as a first rounder We've we got him in the second round, which is absolutely steel You know, he's got to hold onto the ball.
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[SPEAKER_02]: You know that first game that you fumbled since then he's been better But I think he's a guy that you have to get 10 touches a game.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think lovelins a guy You got to get seven to eight touches again because those are your two work horses and roamed
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, I loved how he bounced back because kissing the ball, it's been questionably as catching with his body a bunch, he dropped that huge touchdown opportunity in the one game, but I like how he bounced back and he caught some tough balls.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he got popped on the one, still held onto it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: So I think he's starting to come together and I think his confidence is there.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I think for him, it wasn't a talent.
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[SPEAKER_02]: It's just confidence because he's a tall receiver 64 almost 65 can go up and get it.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, he's a great spot out there, but I think he's starting to get more confident, especially in this offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: And it's probably a health thing, too, is that that foot that he's dealing with last year is probably getting more and more healthy.
17:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that he said he would never be the same and everybody freaked out.
17:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, Oh, bro, but you saw that you saw it against Carolina that catch over the defenders head and I'm like, that's why you drafted Roma Dunesay.
18:04
[SPEAKER_00]: He had the highest contested catch rate in college football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what you want to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You want to see him get those contested balls because he's almost more when it's the sideline toe touch over somebody's head, Rome just
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[SPEAKER_00]: excels at those moments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Corey, final one before I let you go, just kind of the overall thoughts of this game this weekend.
18:21
[SPEAKER_00]: What did the Bears have to do to be to Green Bay at Lambo?
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[SPEAKER_00]: By the way, they've only won at Lambo one time in the last 11 years.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, the a big thing and that was Caleb Williams, granted against the backup quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Yep, so I think the biggest thing this week is red zone offense.
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[SPEAKER_02]: They have to capitalize on those opportunities.
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[SPEAKER_02]: That's been something they've kind of struggled in some of the games.
18:41
[SPEAKER_02]: We look at Minnesota, right?
18:42
[SPEAKER_02]: Swift fumbled on the goal line, right?
18:45
[SPEAKER_02]: That could have been a chance to win that game.
18:47
[SPEAKER_02]: And then last week, not capitalizing on three opportunities in the red zone.
18:50
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think this offensively comes down to red zone offense defensively, knocking out the run.
18:56
[SPEAKER_02]: If you think it can knock out the run, they will get after Jordan love.
19:00
[SPEAKER_02]: They've struggled all year to run the football.
19:03
[SPEAKER_02]: So if they can really stop that run, Jordan love, he's played pretty decent comparatively to the pressure he's gotten this face and no running email.
19:13
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think if they can knock that out, I think they could be successful.
19:17
[SPEAKER_02]: I think Dennis Allen is gonna have a great plan to heat them up.
19:20
[SPEAKER_02]: So I think those are the two keys offensively and defensively for them to get the dove.
19:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it will be interesting.
19:26
[SPEAKER_00]: He was one of the most hit sacked quarterback within the third first three weeks, 27.
19:30
[SPEAKER_00]: He had between hits and sacks.
19:32
[SPEAKER_00]: They go get to no offensive lineman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He didn't get touched last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, which, what, you know, does that continue or can the bears get to them?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's a big thing because I, there are Jordan love is one of those guys where if he has a clean pocket, he's completing 72% of his passes.
19:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He's comfortable.
19:46
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like relaxed.
19:48
[SPEAKER_00]: If you pressure Jordan,
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[SPEAKER_00]: That completion percentage statistically historically has gone down to like 42 43.
19:54
[SPEAKER_00]: So get some pressure on them to your point stop the run and then that opens up a lot for the bears But thanks, Corey, I really appreciate your time Yeah, no problem at all.
20:03
[SPEAKER_02]: Thanks for having me on all right.
20:04
[SPEAKER_02]: Have a good one and go bears Yeah, you too take it easy
20:08
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we're continuing on now.
20:10
[SPEAKER_00]: We already talked about the bare side of the ball with Cory Wu and now we're going to flip over and talk to Andy Herman.
20:15
[SPEAKER_00]: He covers his owner of the Packade podcast writer for Packer Report, covering the Green Bay Packers.
20:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's eight week these two.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This rivalry has been a long lasting rivalry.
20:24
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's he did back up Andy.
20:26
[SPEAKER_00]: So thanks for hopping on and chatting some bears Packers with me.
20:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, I appreciate you having me.
20:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks so much, Taylor.
20:30
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, of course, let's start a little bit with that, the offense, they're right now in Green Bay and I think there's a lot of conversations with whether it's the head coach, whether it's the run game, the offensive line, I know some changes have been made with that.
20:41
[SPEAKER_00]: So I looked better this last week, but let's start with the quarterback.
20:44
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a big conversation.
20:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Obviously, any team that's where a lot of things starts to talk about Jordan love a little bit what you've seen from this year.
20:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I know there's moments for Jordan love in Ben Johnson even commented on this Andy about he had
20:55
[SPEAKER_00]: his accuracy and how he can read the defenses and how calm he can stay at certain times.
21:01
[SPEAKER_00]: And so you see that Jordan love and then other moments under pressure, you kind of see some other things.
21:05
[SPEAKER_00]: So talk a little bit about this season, what you've seen so far.
21:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sort of the book on Jordan is if he's pressure, it gets a little bit more, you know, skittish, you know, not exactly sure what you're going to get.
21:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And if he has a clean pocket, he's basically a stone call this ass, and yeah, I mean, arguably, you know, number one quarterback stats usually in the league or at least in that top three conversation when he's protected.
21:23
[SPEAKER_01]: the issue and you know we want to start quarterback but it's a lot of the other stuff that you mentioned there's a lack of a running game the offensive line has been abysmal they can't give him clean pockets he's got to get rid of the ball i think he's second fastest in the league and giving rid of the football in time to throw so they they have this wonderful pocket passer who's got the accuracy and the decision making and can read defenses but they don't have the infrastructure around him for him to actually be that quarterback so they've basically
21:50
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, got in full panic and emergency mode along the offensive line.
21:53
[SPEAKER_01]: They picked up Lake and Tomlinson off the Cowboys practice squad who is a veteran he's 35 years old has made a ton of starts in the league.
21:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They brought in Kevin Zitler.
22:00
[SPEAKER_01]: He's likely going to make his first start and his first appearance as a packer this week against Chicago.
22:06
[SPEAKER_01]: They're in again sort of full on panic mode trying to fix this offensive line in real time just so they can give Jordan love a semblance of a pocket to throw in it was better against Tampa it was not perfect by any stretch of the imagination Tampa also not world beaters on defense their first round pick Ruben Bane
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[SPEAKER_01]: out of that game as well.
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So they are going to have to continue to improve and give him a better opportunity to actually be that pocket passer so that he can be who they want him to be.
22:31
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know, there have been times this year where he's had clean pockets and had opportunities to hit his his receivers and he hasn't.
22:37
[SPEAKER_01]: There's been other times where he has and his receivers lead the league and drop passes.
22:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, you mentioned all the things that we're going wrong and where it is.
22:43
[SPEAKER_01]: It's start.
22:44
[SPEAKER_01]: The answer is yes.
22:45
[SPEAKER_01]: everything has a little bit disjointed at the moment, and they've got to find a way to calm that down and just play a more respectable brand of football moving forward.
22:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we know firsthand how those dropped passes can be frustrating last year.
22:56
[SPEAKER_00]: The bears lost the most yards to drop passes by the receiver.
22:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So that's something that you you feel like at times you get frustrated with the quarterback, but then at the same time you have to hold these receivers accountable too.
23:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And so that's my next question, you know.
23:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You go into this the past catching room.
23:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just kind of group them all together when you talk about didn't read obviously not he's injured.
23:15
[SPEAKER_00]: So he will not be playing.
23:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's season season season ending for him.
23:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Romeo Dobbs has gone down Tavian Wix has gone.
23:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So it's kind of this world.
23:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Now where it's Christian Watson, young guy and you're two Matthew Golden and Tucker Crafft kind of leading the way.
23:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So chat about those past catchers, what you've seen so far from that group.
23:30
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, golden and Watson had been really good.
23:32
[SPEAKER_01]: They both had some drops, Watson had three and one game.
23:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Golden said about one every game so far.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's been an issue.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: The weird thing, Watson, like his very first play in the NFL, he dropped a huge touchdown and he sort of been given this moniker of a player who drops a ton of passes.
23:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Over the last couple of years, he's been one of the best catchers on the team and in the league.
23:51
[SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't drop much at all.
23:52
[SPEAKER_01]: The three that he had this year, I would say two of them were
23:55
[SPEAKER_01]: pretty, you know, almost understandable, like they were tough contested situations.
23:59
[SPEAKER_01]: So I don't put it on him, but Watson's been great.
24:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Golden has like some of the best hands that you could possibly imagine.
24:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's been weird that he's been dropping passes and Tucker craft is phenomenal too.
24:09
[SPEAKER_01]: And he had three, you know, like three or four drop passes over the last couple weeks.
24:13
[SPEAKER_01]: But it's just it's a weird situation where you have these very talented past catchers who have not shown a propensity to do this, who are all of a sudden just dropping passes.
24:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that's going to regress back to the me and expect those three to be fantastic.
24:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm moving forward and not having those issues with drops, but they're going to have to prove it.
24:28
[SPEAKER_01]: They're going to have to clean it up.
24:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And they need one more player to step up without Jayden Reed, whether it's rookie undrafted free agent, Jay Michael, stirred up on.
24:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Skymore has been getting time, but Milton had a big drop last week on a probably a 40 yard play up to seam and then their past sketches out of the backfield haven't given them much either.
24:44
[SPEAKER_01]: So they need sort of one more player to step up and then they need their three main guys to just catch the football at the level that they're used to.
24:50
[SPEAKER_01]: But a lot of talent there, but they just again have to kind of get on the same page and make those plays when they're available to them.
24:55
[SPEAKER_00]: How has Matt LaFlor been using Matthew Golden and Christian Watson?
24:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Does it change up a little bit because I know last year or the last few years, that's been the storyline of so many guys, so many past catchers and every week, you're seeing something a little bit different from a flare has he kind of tried to make that a little bit more consistent in the sense of how he uses them.
25:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for the fantasy players out there, you know, you know, have two receiving options in Green Bay who are legitimate real options.
25:18
[SPEAKER_01]: I always said, you know, for the last few years, like just stay away from receivers in Green Bay because they rotate everyone so much that, yeah, one week.
25:24
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the guys might have seven catches for 180 yards and two touchdowns and then the next three weeks, they might have five catches combined, you know, so now you actually have two legitimate.
25:34
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, big time players that they are putting out there and pretty much every single snap that are getting the lion share of the snaps and the target.
25:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So no, they're both being used to ton and if there is one slight silver lining in the jade and read injury, which is in again in and of itself a huge loss for green bay, but
25:52
[SPEAKER_01]: both Matthew going, but especially Christian Watson is actually phenomenal out of the slot.
25:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And Jane read is a true slot receiver and he's good at it, so you don't mind in Watson and Golden can both play on the outside, so it's not like this terrible problem, but
26:07
[SPEAKER_01]: They both are very good there in Watson's really, really good there.
26:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So this does open up additional slots and apps for, especially Watson, but a little bit of golden as well.
26:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And they both can sort of feed in that scenario.
26:18
[SPEAKER_01]: But again, then finding the outside rider severs that can complement guys like Watson and golden in this flat.
26:23
[SPEAKER_01]: So they're both being utilized to ton and they should continue to get a lot of targets their way.
26:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, Andy, another issue, well, offensively has been the run game in the beginning of this season too.
26:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Josh Jacobs, a huge part of that clearly, they'll off the field stuff as affected the run game in that sense.
26:38
[SPEAKER_00]: But what else is happening?
26:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it, do you think itself, offensive line is the scheme?
26:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Is it the personnel?
26:43
[SPEAKER_00]: What is kind of holding this run game back from getting going aside from Josh Jacobs?
26:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's another answer.
26:48
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just like, you know, a little of column A, all of column B, it's all of the above.
26:52
[SPEAKER_01]: So the, it starts with the offensive line.
26:54
[SPEAKER_01]: They're, they're just a very poor blocking offensive line up until this point.
26:57
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, I think there were signs that it was a little bit better.
27:00
[SPEAKER_01]: They broke off two explosives last week, which was great.
27:02
[SPEAKER_01]: They had not shown any sign of that.
27:04
[SPEAKER_01]: But on the other 17 carries, they went for a total of 27 yards to the running back.
27:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So still a very large work in progress to try to get any some months of a running game going.
27:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And the other issue is even when stuff is blocked up.
27:16
[SPEAKER_01]: the trio of Chris Brooks Marsh on Lloyd and Caleb Johnson are not getting the most out of it.
27:21
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I actually all of them have been very poor when it comes to rushing yards over expectations.
27:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So they just can't, they can't create anything on their own.
27:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And even when things are created for them, they're not getting the most yards out of it.
27:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's a little bit of that Tucker crafting Christian Watson to players that for their position and for their skill.
27:37
[SPEAKER_01]: have been very good blockers throughout their career.
27:40
[SPEAKER_01]: They have fallen off in that regard.
27:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if Kraft is coming back from the injury, but he has not been the same.
27:45
[SPEAKER_01]: He's had a few penalties in that regard as well.
27:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And Watson since last year coming off of his ACL injury has not been the same blockers.
27:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So you're knocking in that blocking from some of your key skill position players also.
27:55
[SPEAKER_01]: So again, the answer is yes, and then as you mentioned, not having Josh Jacobs, somebody who could legitimately
28:01
[SPEAKER_01]: take a three or four yard loss and turn it into a three or four yard gain, not having that player to has been pretty detrimental.
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So a little bit of talents, a little bit of offensive line, a little bit of blocking on the outsides.
28:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And again, it's something that they've got to find a way to get corrected on the fly.
28:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Andy, let's flip over to the defensive side of the ball.
28:18
[SPEAKER_00]: There are some good things, especially in the back end of that defense, obviously McKinney is looking to be one of the better at his position in the NFL.
28:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So chat a little bit about that because I do think that maybe some of the run defense struggles up front that that secondary has been able to help them a lot in that sense.
28:34
[SPEAKER_00]: But what do you like about what they're doing on that back end?
28:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the the best room on this team is the Packer safety room and it's I think one of the best rooms of any position group in the NFL Xavier McKinney obviously super talented plays at a high level as already got an interception the season and his stuff doesn't show up but it's on on the stat sheet because they really utilize him in that deep you know part of the field and teams do not throw his way because.
28:59
[SPEAKER_01]: they know he's going to pick off passes.
29:01
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw a couple of years ago any time anyone threw his way, he basically picked it off.
29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: So he's kind of in a racer for the deep ball on the back end.
29:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's why the packers are one of the best teams in the league at not allowing explosive plays is because he's just roaming that deep center half and basically saying I dare you to throw over here and mostly teams don't.
29:18
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you've got Evan Williams who is coming off his best game as a packer.
29:21
[SPEAKER_01]: He's planted an all pro level.
29:23
[SPEAKER_01]: His ability to come down in the run game and just be consistent and really scream down from safety and make those plays and really never make mistakes with it.
29:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Is a huge super power of his he had an interception last week he had a sack last week he had a pass break up last week and other throw against the wider receiver that was incomplete when he was in man to man coverage.
29:42
[SPEAKER_01]: He's just been all over the place and playing a really high brand of football and then Javan Bullard is one of the engines of this defense to.
29:48
[SPEAKER_01]: They play him in the slot primarily, but they kind of go with these unique three safety looks at times two and he has improved his coverage like 10 fold from where he was as a rookie a couple years ago and he is just an intense physical violent player that is not afraid to stick his head into things.
30:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Those three, the really, the talent of this defense, especially right now with Mike out and out with Adrian Cooper done for the season, that's where their entire super power lies.
30:13
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's something that now Jonathan Gannon's going to have to find a way to utilize even more because those are quite clearly their three best players on defense right now.
30:21
[SPEAKER_00]: How would you expect this weekend to look in the sense of how they cover the bears' wide receivers?
30:26
[SPEAKER_00]: And I'll stick with that.
30:27
[SPEAKER_00]: We'll get to the Titans in a minute.
30:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Just the wide receivers.
30:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Because Luther, Rome, Cliff Raymond, I think shocking a lot of people in the start of this year, has been a really big go-to outside of this last week for this bears' often.
30:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So how would you expect them to, do you think it's a man to man cover your guide, more zone?
30:42
[SPEAKER_00]: How do you think it's expecting this weekend?
30:44
[SPEAKER_01]: it's going to be a lot of zone to your point.
30:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there's going to be a lot more emphasis probably on the tight ends even.
30:49
[SPEAKER_01]: They haven't just in Jefferson got one big play off of a free play when LVN jumped off sides in week one.
30:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Other than that, you know, they mostly contained him in Jordan Addison Garrett Mitchell, you know, didn't have a huge day, or sorry, uh, Mitchellford, um,
31:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Gary Wilson, excuse me, I got at an I Mitchell and Gary Wilson mixed up.
31:08
[SPEAKER_01]: But Garrett Wilson in that game, he didn't do a whole ton against screen bay, yeah, a mecca booga and those guys didn't too much.
31:15
[SPEAKER_01]: So they've both mostly been, you know, other than Drake London in week three who went off.
31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: They've mostly been keeping wider severs in check.
31:22
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think they're going to kind of play their similar brand.
31:25
[SPEAKER_01]: They mix things up quite a bit.
31:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And they'll play a lot of zone, but they'll switch in some man to man at times.
31:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I expect things to be pretty similar in that regard, and I think Green Bay's big tat task this week is going to be stopping the run and keeping an eye on those tight ends.
31:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially to your point, losing Cooper.
31:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it is a big one in both of those areas.
31:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I think when it comes for Green Bay, because we talk so much this offseason, Andy, and Chicago about how much tight ends we're going to see between Cole, Comet, and Colston, and then drafting Sam Rausch pretty high up in that draft.
31:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And you just really hasn't haven't seen as much as we thought, but I think Bear's fans may think that we'll switch a little bit with the loss of Cooper.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: How much does that affect your defense right now when losing him?
32:06
[SPEAKER_01]: he's the glue in the middle of the field, you know, he is just everywhere he flies around he attacks, he's downhill, he's fast, he's so good in the run game, so, you know, Cooper's an interesting player where he'll take some false steps, he'll get himself out of the play from time to time, he'll overrun a play from time to time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So there'll be some mistakes there, but he makes up with it with, you know, four or five big plays every single game and, you know, being able to play down Hill and play fast.
32:29
[SPEAKER_01]: It just is a different level of speed that was at the second level of that defense and I think Tyron Hopper is going to play a little bit there and he has some of the,
32:36
[SPEAKER_01]: similar type of speed, not Cooper speed, but good speed.
32:39
[SPEAKER_01]: But there's going to be a lot of isamic duffy.
32:41
[SPEAKER_01]: And with McDuffy and Zire Franklin, you now get a lot slower at that position, which is obviously never what you want.
32:47
[SPEAKER_01]: So both McDuffy and even hopper in Franklin, not great in coverage either.
32:53
[SPEAKER_01]: So I do think there's going to be opportunities for the bears with their tight ends to get matchups against those linebackers that are going to be advantageous.
32:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's going to be up to Green Bay to find creative ways to try to stop that, whether it's utilizing the safety is a little bit more.
33:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Or just those guys having to hold up against, you know, some really good tight ends.
33:07
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think of bears fans are maybe a little bit anxious about, you know, lovelin getting a little bit more involved and maybe finding some plays.
33:14
[SPEAKER_01]: This could be a good week for for him to do that.
33:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you talked about fantasy football earlier.
33:18
[SPEAKER_00]: That's another one that I know, all my friends are like, you told me to draft Colston.
33:21
[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, I didn't say to draft anybody.
33:24
[SPEAKER_00]: A couple more before I let you go, the Packers perspective of some of the things happening in Chicago right now.
33:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Quarterback, going to be a big conversation, not quite sure yet when Caleb Williams will be back.
33:33
[SPEAKER_00]: When he is back, I mean, it's a hamstring.
33:35
[SPEAKER_00]: How much can he move the way you rely on him moving, but this week, this weekend, it will be Tyson Vagent.
33:41
[SPEAKER_00]: And so far, we've seen both and has not some winds with both case, Keeneman, Tyson Vagent.
33:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe the case can a more in a little bit more convincing at times, but what's that thought process of facing a Tyson Bay gent, what are the conversations around him?
33:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just think, you know, it gives, I think Green Bay a better opportunity to win this game.
33:57
[SPEAKER_01]: I know the bears are still favored, and I think understandably so the way that both teams have played so far, but this is a game that Green Bay has got to find a way to win at home against a backup quarterback, you know, you're not going against Kalo, but I think it certainly changes some of the off script plays, I mean, you have to
34:13
[SPEAKER_01]: you have to just cover and you know play the play through its entirety so long with Caleb Williams because he will continue to make things happen with his feet both inside and outside of the pocket by time throw down field or just scramble that's certainly a different element that you have to deal with that you know Beijing still certainly you know can get some yards on the ground and
34:32
[SPEAKER_01]: But more importantly, you know, Bage is going to probably get the the ball of his hands a little bit quicker.
34:36
[SPEAKER_01]: We saw that a week ago and maybe give you an opportunity at a turnover worthy player too.
34:40
[SPEAKER_01]: So think the big thing here is, you know, Green Bay is through five weeks got about the best quarterback look that you could possibly imagine and they've only taken advantage of it by going to and to so far.
34:49
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, the quarterbacks, the Kyler Murray goes out in the first game.
34:52
[SPEAKER_01]: You've got Carson once and we too, it's Gino Smith.
34:55
[SPEAKER_01]: We three pennies coming back and playing his first game.
34:58
[SPEAKER_01]: We fought to backup rookie undrafted freeage and quarterback making his first starting Jalen Daniels and then this week, you get Tyson Bayjans instead of Caleb Williams.
35:05
[SPEAKER_01]: So they need to take advantage of this.
35:07
[SPEAKER_01]: The quarterback matchups are going to get a lot tougher through their remainder of the season.
35:10
[SPEAKER_01]: So I think the big thing for Green Bay is just finding a way to win this game.
35:13
[SPEAKER_01]: One way or the other and taking advantage of a backup quarterback in Chicago.
35:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I'm sure that a lot of that conversation Andy has to be about the bear's run game both come and on guy and the Andre Swift both have over 300 yards both have multiple touchdowns both have explosive plays are playing really well granted both of them beat up right now come and on guy dealing with the turf toe and a thumb injury the Andre's been dealing with the knee for a little bit I have a feeling both play but what that looks like I don't know but that has to be a big kind of focus for you guys right now when it comes to just being able to stop the run in any way.
35:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, well, when you have a hundred plays of offense against the jet guys are getting a little banged up from time to time, you know, that's one of the more insane stats I've seen of like a 60 play difference almost in, you know, offense to defensive snaps, but at least your defense should be well rested going into this one.
35:59
[SPEAKER_01]: there's nothing else.
36:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously the normal stuff of like turnovers, explosive plays, you know, big errors, things like that.
36:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Those are always the key indicators, but there's no other bigger indicator in this one than the bear's running game and how green big goes against it.
36:13
[SPEAKER_01]: It's been interesting.
36:14
[SPEAKER_01]: They did good against pre-salt.
36:15
[SPEAKER_01]: They did good against the Vikings, rushing attack.
36:17
[SPEAKER_01]: They did really well this past week against Bucky Irving and the Tampa Bay box.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they're last two games at home this year was the Atlanta Falcons in Bishan Robinson ran all over him and Brian Robinson ran all over Green Bay Green Bay couldn't stop it at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The last game at Green Bay last year was the Derek Henry game where they ran for like a billion yards on the ground against Green Bay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're last two home games were really, really rough against the run.
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[SPEAKER_01]: the bears are really good at it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Their attention to detail is fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can tell how much time effort and energy they put into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it is going to be paramount that Green Bay makes some Beijing beat them and not monunga and swift in that rushing attack.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If that rushing attack gets going for Chicago, they're just going to win this game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Unless again, it's catastrophic turn over.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Green Bay's got to do a much better job than they have in their last two home games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, Andy, I appreciate your time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Probably not the matchup everybody really wanted for this first one a backup quarterback.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, Micah beat up Packers, but it's a rivalry game no matter what.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I appreciate coming on and chatting me chatting with me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just really quick.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thoughts and prayers to the bear's family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Obviously losing Mike Dick an absolute legend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, absolutely brutal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, one of the people that I think
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, obviously changed the bears for forever and was such a huge influence in the Chicago community and in the NFL as a whole So I thought some birds were the bears family for the loss of Mike Dicca.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Andy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Doug coach.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We love him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we rest easy rest in peace I know he's probably while in up there bearing downs But I really appreciate it and have a good rest of your week slash weekend.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Appreciate it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have a good one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, too