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KILLER DAD: I felt no remorse when daughter's body drops into oil, strangles wife til her "eyes fill with blood" (Chris Watts) · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. My daddy is a hero.
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Speaker 1: He helped me grow up truck. He helped me. I'm
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Speaker 1: not good too. He reads me. But my shoes my daddy, Daddy,
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Speaker 1: and love you. Every time I hear that, it's still
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Speaker 1: just makes my heart hurt so much. You were hearing
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Speaker 1: for your old little Bella sitting in the back seat,
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Speaker 1: and I was just thinking about when my children were
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Speaker 1: still in car seats. They still have, you know, each
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Speaker 1: side that they've been sitting on since they were little.
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Speaker 1: It still stuck to their sides of the minivan. No
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Speaker 1: more car seats. But I heard Lucy singing some song,
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Speaker 1: one of the hymns from our church, I think, and
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Speaker 1: John David trying to chime in, and I just listened
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Speaker 1: to them a couple of days ago. That's never going
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Speaker 1: to happen for Shenane Watts. She'll never hear Bella four
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Speaker 1: Celesque three singing again in the back seat. Why they're dead.
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Speaker 1: I've Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for
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Speaker 1: being with us. You know it's the only one I
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Speaker 1: didn't mention in that family scenario was daddy. And there's
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Speaker 1: a reason for that. Chris Watts now blames one of
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Speaker 1: his many lovers his mistresses during his marriage to Shanine,
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Speaker 1: including when she was pregnant at the time of her death.
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Speaker 1: Blames the mistress for killing all three of them, describing
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Speaker 1: in horrific detail how his pregnant wife Shenan's eyes filled
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Speaker 1: with blood as he strangled her dead with me an
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Speaker 1: All Star panel Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, Stephen Lampley, detective,
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Speaker 1: author of Outside Your Door, psychotherapist and hosts of a
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Speaker 1: Facebook live program on Times Square, Doctor Robbie Ludwig, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. But right now, to Radar online dot COM's
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Alexis terres Check, Alexis, does it never end
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Speaker 1: with this guy? Why won't he shut up? Of course,
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Speaker 1: we don't say the S word in our house. The
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Speaker 1: twins think the sword is shut up. I'm sure that
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Speaker 1: won't last long. But Alexis, why won't he just be
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Speaker 1: quiet and away? Chris Watts is so disturbed. It's like
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Speaker 1: he can't get enough of hearing himself talk and talking,
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Speaker 1: and to me, these are just lies. He's coming up
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Speaker 1: with more and more lies about his family. He has
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Speaker 1: said now that he would never have killed these kids
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Speaker 1: or not for his mistress Nicole Kessenger and blames her completely.
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Speaker 1: She was not there, she was no, no, no, Which
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Speaker 1: one is she? Now? She the co worker? Is she
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Speaker 1: one of the ones he met on grinder or tender
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Speaker 1: or something? She's actually the co worker and the co
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Speaker 1: worker and her dad worked with him, So there is
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Speaker 1: no way on earth. What do you mean she's actually
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Speaker 1: the co worker, Like that's somehow better than all the
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Speaker 1: women he met on grinder or tender? Which one was it?
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Speaker 1: Grinder or tender? I think tender, right, tender? Okay, so
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Speaker 1: she's actually the coworker. What is she like, got on
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Speaker 1: a white gloves at the tea party? Oh h e
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Speaker 1: l L No, Alexa, she's right in there, steing in
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Speaker 1: the same pot as all the others. I think they
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Speaker 1: knew he was married. I know she knew he was married.
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Speaker 1: She knew he wasn't divorced yet, she knew he had children.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, isn't she the one that
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Speaker 1: when Chanan was away he actually brings her to the house.
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Speaker 1: It makes her tuna fish sandwich lunch or some bs
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Speaker 1: like that. Tuna fish my rear end. Yes, he brought
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Speaker 1: her to the house, drove her in the car that
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Speaker 1: Nan had worked so hard because Nan was out of town.
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Speaker 1: Sham worked so hard in her job. Okay, just let
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Speaker 1: me put this out there, and Wendy Patrick, you'll have
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Speaker 1: to come make a cameo appearance as a defense lawyer
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Speaker 1: if this happens. If I ever find out David Eugene
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Speaker 1: Lynch has another woman up in my minivan, oh no,
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Speaker 1: I will blow the whole thing up. Okay, just bam,
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Speaker 1: all right there, I set it, go ahead, Alexis's he
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Speaker 1: did in her car, brings her over to his house,
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Speaker 1: the house that he shared with his wife and his
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Speaker 1: two little girls, made her lunch. I'm sure there was
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Speaker 1: some monkey business going on. And then okay, here's Jackie
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Speaker 1: Howard here in this udo with Dave Mack just again
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Speaker 1: spin have you? Did you know an owl I actually
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Speaker 1: can't spin its head three hundred and sixty degrees around?
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Speaker 1: John David told me that the other night with one
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Speaker 1: of his believe it or not facts. But it looks
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Speaker 1: like she's spinning her head all the way around She says,
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Speaker 1: forget about driving chanans. What does she have, Alexis, But
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Speaker 1: he had the woman in bed, in their bed, and
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Speaker 1: that's the thing. They were in the room, in the house,
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Speaker 1: everything that they did, that's something I care more about
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Speaker 1: the eighty thousand dollars, Alexis than I would the ten
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Speaker 1: dollars target sheets. But go ahead, and this is the
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Speaker 1: bed that he eventually killed his wife in. So he
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Speaker 1: brings this mistress, Nicole Kessinger. They have They were together
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Speaker 1: for months and months and months. He was spending all
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Speaker 1: of his money on her, and that's how Nan found out. Well,
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Speaker 1: she was suspicious anyway, but this was the actual proof,
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Speaker 1: the smoking gun that she needed. She saw she was
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Speaker 1: out of town. He was going to a restaurant that
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Speaker 1: was I believe Red lobs which is really expensive, and
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Speaker 1: it was not a meal for one, it was obviously
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Speaker 1: a meal for two. They don't have any money right now.
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Speaker 1: They're in a financial crisis. She sees this and she says,
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Speaker 1: what is going on with you? Okay, let me just
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Speaker 1: tell you about Red Lobster. Okay, the twins and I've
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Speaker 1: been watching Young Sheldon because I saw it on a
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Speaker 1: plane and the sister Missy wanted to go to the
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Speaker 1: most expensive fancy restaurant in Texas, and the daw went, okay,
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Speaker 1: what she goes Red Lobster. Long story short, the twins
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Speaker 1: see this and they suddenly it was Lucy suddenly wants
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Speaker 1: to go to Red Lobster. They both got lobster. They
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Speaker 1: ate it like, I mean, yeah, okay, they racked up
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Speaker 1: a bill my two twins. I didn't have the heart
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Speaker 1: to say, why did you pick out the most expensive
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Speaker 1: thing on the menu, but yes, so you can tell
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Speaker 1: by looking at the receipt whether it's one or two.
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Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Robbie Ludwig with me, psychotherapist that hosts
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Speaker 1: her own show at Times Square. Robbie Ludwig, what you're
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Speaker 1: listening to what Alexis is saying, quote, if I hadn't
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Speaker 1: met Nikki, I would never have killed my family. What
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Speaker 1: is that blaming somebody else for him murdering not one,
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Speaker 1: not too but three people, A three year old, a
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Speaker 1: four year old, and his pregnant wife. I mean that
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Speaker 1: is just bs. And I think with this type of
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Speaker 1: classic sociopath, there's just a making of stories to save
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Speaker 1: the self. I don't even think Chris believes half the
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Speaker 1: things that come out of his mouth. This murder did
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Speaker 1: not happen because of a mistress. This happened because of
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Speaker 1: the life Chris wanted to live and he felt was
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Speaker 1: outside of his marriage and this was his only way out.
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Speaker 1: But it sounds good, it sounds convincing, and maybe it'll stick.
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Speaker 1: And that's what the sociopath does. It's lie on top
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Speaker 1: of lie, on top of lie until one is convincing
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Speaker 1: enough to stick. Twindy Patrick, a veteran the California prosecutor author,
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Speaker 1: I've read flags on Amazon as if she has extra
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Speaker 1: time in between prosecuting felony crimes to write a book.
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Speaker 1: But she did, Wendy Patrick, this is not uncommon. It's
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Speaker 1: blame shifting, or is the twins like to say shape shifter,
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Speaker 1: because suddenly he's not a bad guy anymore. He's not
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Speaker 1: a triple killer, actually quadruple killer if you count the baby,
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Speaker 1: baby Nico, that Shenan was carrying. Suddenly it's Nikki's fault.
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Speaker 1: It's all her fault. It goes all the way back
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Speaker 1: to Adam and even the Garden of Eating Eden. Adam
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Speaker 1: did it and then blamed eat You know, is there
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Speaker 1: not any new moves in the play. But Wendy Patrick
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Speaker 1: harbat has to do with the question you just asked.
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Speaker 1: The extent to which Chris Watts revealed his motives and
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Speaker 1: why he did what he did in excruciating detail, but
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Speaker 1: perhaps was not the result he would expect. It just
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Speaker 1: makes it more aggravating, more heartbreaking, and makes it more
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Speaker 1: difficult to understand how any human being could do it
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Speaker 1: because of his explanation of his motive. Oh, because it
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Speaker 1: was a mistress. Now whether or not he braises it
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Speaker 1: as oh, well, it's her fault. What kind of a
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Speaker 1: relationship survives a murder? We always wonder that every single
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Speaker 1: time there's a mistress that is too quote unquote blame
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Speaker 1: for somebody losing it and killing your entire family. Well,
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Speaker 1: I distinctly remember when it all went down, Chris Watts. Watts,
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Speaker 1: what's going on right now around your house? Right now,
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Speaker 1: it's got canine units, the sheriff's apartment. Everybody's like they're
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Speaker 1: they're doing the best right now to figure out like
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Speaker 1: if they can get a sent and see where they went,
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Speaker 1: if they went on foot, they went in a car,
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Speaker 1: or they went somewhere, And right now it's just like
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Speaker 1: they've they've been on point. They're going through the house
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Speaker 1: trying to get a sent and hopefully they can pick
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Speaker 1: something up to where it's it's going to lead to something.
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Speaker 1: What happened. She came home from the airport two am
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Speaker 1: and I left around five fifteen. She was still here,
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Speaker 1: and like about twelve ten in that afternoon, her friend
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Speaker 1: Nicole showed up at the door. Like I had texted
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Speaker 1: a two times that day. I called her say, you know,
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Speaker 1: but she never got back to me. But she wasn't
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Speaker 1: get back to any of her people as well. And
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Speaker 1: that's what really concerned a lot of people. It's like
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Speaker 1: she's not getting back to her like she doesn't get
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Speaker 1: back to me, that's fine, Like she gets based during
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Speaker 1: the day, but she get back to her people, which
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Speaker 1: was very concerning. And Nicole called me when she was
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Speaker 1: at the door, and that's when they came home and
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Speaker 1: then walked in the house. And nothing has vanished. Nothing
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Speaker 1: was here, I mean, she wasn't she wasn't here, the
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Speaker 1: kids weren't here. Nobody was here. Well, his lips are moving,
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Speaker 1: you know what that means. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
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Speaker 1: to give you some background. The Fredick Police Department receives
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Speaker 1: a missing person called just excuse Me. Just before two
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Speaker 1: pm on Monday, August twenty thirty eighteen, our agency launched investigation,
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Speaker 1: conducting interviews neighborhood campuses in an effort to locate Nan
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Speaker 1: and her two girls, Bella and Celeste. We also contacted
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Speaker 1: the FBI and the CBI to assist in this case.
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Speaker 1: In addition to providing investigative agents and crime scene responders
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Speaker 1: a missing excuse Me, a missing danger alert was announced
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday afternoon. Fredick PD conducted additional campuses were flyers
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Speaker 1: featuring Chanan, Celeste, and Bellow were distributed to Raby. Finally,
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Speaker 1: in the late hours of Wednesday evening, the husband and
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Speaker 1: Chris Watts, was taken into custody. At this point, we
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Speaker 1: have been able to recover of a body that we're
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Speaker 1: quite certain is Chanan Watts Biden. We have strong reason
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Speaker 1: to believe that we know where the bodies of the
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Speaker 1: children are and recovery efforts are in process. On that
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Speaker 1: you're hearing a police pressor as they break the news
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Speaker 1: to the public that they believe they have found all
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Speaker 1: three bodies of Shechnan Watts, age thirty four, baby Bella,
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Speaker 1: age four, baby Celeste, age three two. Joseph Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, an author of Blood Beneath
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Speaker 1: My Feet. He is a death investigator and has investigated
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Speaker 1: literally thousands of homicides, suicides, accidents, natural cause deaths. Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, please describe for us the way the bodies
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Speaker 1: were found, where were they and what were their conditions. Well,
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Speaker 1: when it comes to Nan, her body was found buried
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Speaker 1: in a shallow grave that is actually in a petroleum
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Speaker 1: processing area way out in the middle of nowhere. In
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Speaker 1: the context of the grave in which she was found,
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Speaker 1: it's bare raw soil that wasn't very deep Nancy, and
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Speaker 1: that's why they were able to locate her, I think
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Speaker 1: pretty easily. But what's really kind of poignant here is
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Speaker 1: that in the midst of this grave where they discovered
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Speaker 1: her her body, she had had what is referred to
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Speaker 1: as a coffin birth. She had literally her body had
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Speaker 1: expelled the remains of unborn little Nico that died as
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Speaker 1: a result of what his father had done to Nan.
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Speaker 1: And then, of course in the adjacent area where those
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Speaker 1: these huge, huge wells are are, they're actually storage containers.
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Speaker 1: The bodies individually of these two precious little girls are
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Speaker 1: found floating literally in raw petroleum. And you know, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: when I initially saw the images from the scene, I
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Speaker 1: could hear the emotion in the police officer's voice. He
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Speaker 1: was well aware at that point in tom what had happened,
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Speaker 1: because these little girls were literally forced through what's referred
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Speaker 1: to as a thief hatch, which is this tiny little
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Speaker 1: access area to push them down into that area. They
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Speaker 1: fell just you know, well, in excess of fifteen feet
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Speaker 1: probably up to twenty to twenty five feet into the depths,
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Speaker 1: this black depths of this petroleum. And he did this
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Speaker 1: just to discard their bodies, and of course the bodies
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Speaker 1: were in horrible condition when the authorities finally were able
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Speaker 1: to recover and the reality is to Alexis Terrestro Radar
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Speaker 1: online dot com following up on what Joseph Scott Morgan said.
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Speaker 1: To get the girls into these drums, these oil drums
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Speaker 1: of crude oil that Joe Scott was describing, they didn't
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Speaker 1: quite fit. Their shoulders were bigger than the opening of
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Speaker 1: the receptacle, so he had to cram them down or
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Speaker 1: bend their bodies to get them into the tank. Alexis.
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Speaker 1: When the girls were found, they had huge scrapes all
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Speaker 1: over their body because of the way that he had shown.
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Speaker 1: This is only an eight inch wide hole, so he
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Speaker 1: shoved them in. Their their bodies, they were scraped. They
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Speaker 1: had scratches on their bottoms, which was I guess, as
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Speaker 1: you know, sticks out a little bit, so that's where
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Speaker 1: it would scrape as he was shoving them into this hole.
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Speaker 1: And then when the investigators had pulled these children out
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Speaker 1: of this oil, they had to drain the whole tank
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Speaker 1: very carefully. It took a very long time pulled them out.
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Speaker 1: The girls were degloved, and what that means is that
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Speaker 1: their skin had come off their bodies. It's because they
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Speaker 1: had been soaking in this oil. But Chris has changed
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Speaker 1: his story so many times because he's such a lot.
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Speaker 1: Are you whoa whoa whoa whoa? You see him like
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Speaker 1: one of the oj gerars? What calling him OJH? Calling
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Speaker 1: him by his first name, Like, what you think you're
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Speaker 1: going to have dinner with him and his ploys this
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Speaker 1: one night? That's not happening, Alexis, He's behind bars. Now.
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Speaker 1: I didn't know you on our first name basis with him,
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Speaker 1: mister Watts has changed his story, so or just Watts
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Speaker 1: is fine? Or killer dad? Oh the kayler Alexis. Before
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Speaker 1: we get into all of his lying ways, how did
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Speaker 1: these letters come forward? I mean, you've got the one
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Speaker 1: where he's describing, Oh, hey, Steve Lampley before I go
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Speaker 1: to Alexis with me. Detective Stephen Lampley, author of Outside
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Speaker 1: Your Door. You can find him at Stephen Lampley dot com. Steve,
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Speaker 1: did you hear him talking? That was day one of missing,
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Speaker 1: about giving the chronology of when she went missing and
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Speaker 1: the friend came to the door. He's lying through his teeth,
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Speaker 1: fancy he was. I watched that numerous times, and this
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Speaker 1: seemed like every time I watched it, I caught a
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Speaker 1: new set or now new lie. His repeating words, his
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Speaker 1: used to pronounce his base shifting. I knew the man
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Speaker 1: was guilty. I was just waiting for the evidence to
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Speaker 1: follow up him. And of course he didn't take long thereafter.
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Speaker 1: Like you said, while ago, his lips were moving. He
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Speaker 1: was wife, you know, And I know everybody thinks we're jaded, Stephen,
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Speaker 1: but at a certain point, having dealt with everybody on
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Speaker 1: this panel anyway, when you've dealt with literally thousands of witnesses, defendants, victims,
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Speaker 1: you get a very good sense of who is lying.
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Speaker 1: Alexi's terrestric the letter where he described after he has
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Speaker 1: sex with her. In his mind, he knew it was
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Speaker 1: one last time. He was already embroiled in a sex
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Speaker 1: relationship with the coworker, and there were all the women
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Speaker 1: he was meeting online for motel hookups. He knew he
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Speaker 1: was going to kill her, but he had sex with
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Speaker 1: her one last time, then got on top of her,
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Speaker 1: straddled her, and strangled her dead. And in these letters
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Speaker 1: he describes how her eyes filled up with blood and
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Speaker 1: she was actually praying as she died. Then he killed
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Speaker 1: the two children. Where are these letters coming from, Alexis?
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Speaker 1: Sarah is a woman who started writing to him. She
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Speaker 1: doesn't know him, she had no connection to the case
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Speaker 1: at all. She started writing him in prison because she
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Speaker 1: said she felt like she could help him and maybe
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Speaker 1: bring him closer to God, which is sort of a
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Speaker 1: theme with everybody that writes to people in prison, which
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Speaker 1: is so strange to me. Well, they either want to
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Speaker 1: bring him closer to God, they want to make money
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Speaker 1: off of them, or they want to have sex with them.
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Speaker 1: That's my experience with people to get that. Are these
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Speaker 1: pen pals with inmates. They either want to save their soul,
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Speaker 1: God bless them, they want to make money off of them,
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Speaker 1: like selling their letters or whatever memorability they can get
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Speaker 1: from them, or they want to have sex slash marry them.
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Speaker 1: That's my experience. Alexus. Well, it looks like she's going
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Speaker 1: to make money off of Chris. And I don't think
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Speaker 1: that she has brought him to God because he hasn't
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Speaker 1: really even said he was sorry or asked for forgiveness
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Speaker 1: at all during this entire story. So this woman isn't true.
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Speaker 1: On one of her visits, she actually brings him a cheeseburger,
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Speaker 1: a bag of chips in a mountain dew yes, and
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Speaker 1: they she said when they first when she first started
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Speaker 1: to visit him, they were not allowed to have any
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Speaker 1: physical contact because he's in such a he's in a
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Speaker 1: maximum security prison. But as their visits went on and on,
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Speaker 1: they're now allowed to spend time physically with each other.
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Speaker 1: And she just gives him hugs and that she thinks
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Speaker 1: that makes him feel better after he killed his wife
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Speaker 1: and his two children. Okay, Doctor Robbie Ludwig. I keep
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Speaker 1: trying to introduce you through your new program at Times Square.
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Speaker 1: What is the name of it. It's talking Live with
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Speaker 1: Doctor Robbie Ludwig. Did you know what? He tells this
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Speaker 1: woman running the book Letters from Christopher. He says to her, quote,
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Speaker 1: all I could feel was now I was free to
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Speaker 1: be with Nikki. Feelings of my love for her was
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Speaker 1: grammatical error was overcoming me. I quote, I felt no remorse.
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Speaker 1: That's what he tells Arthur Shirland title. I'm sure a
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Speaker 1: component of that is true. That part of what triggered
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Speaker 1: the killings was this desire for a new life, to
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Speaker 1: have a do over, to start over with a woman
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Speaker 1: he felt would give him the opportunity to feel successful,
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Speaker 1: be successful, feel in love, and get it right this
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Speaker 1: time around. But I also, well, wait a minute, wait,
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Speaker 1: get it right at this time? What were the what
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Speaker 1: were the three children? Got it wrong? He got something,
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Speaker 1: got it wrong, got it wrong. So you know, Chris
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Speaker 1: Watts got it wrong. He married the wrong woman, had
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Speaker 1: the wrong children, had the wrong bills, had the wrong life,
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Speaker 1: and so he tried to create this almost parallel universe
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Speaker 1: where he was successful, where it was like kind of
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Speaker 1: kind of bankruptcy. How it kind of like gives you
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Speaker 1: a new chance to start over again. That's what he
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Speaker 1: considered these killings. It was a do over for him.
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Speaker 1: He was not happy in the reality he had created
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Speaker 1: for himself and these people he had, this woman he
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Speaker 1: had married, the kids that he created, they were just
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Speaker 1: in the way, and so he needed to get rid
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Speaker 1: of them. I mean, that's the thing with sociopath you're
21:34
Speaker 1: really objectified to the point where you don't really exist
21:39
Speaker 1: or matter. Clime stories with Nancy Grace, the girls in
21:58
Speaker 1: beds weren't made. Janan was very ocd. Everything in her
22:02
Speaker 1: house had a place, everything was labeled if something was
22:06
Speaker 1: out of the ordinary. It was really out of the
22:08
Speaker 1: ordinary for her. He does these interviews on Tuesday. What
22:15
Speaker 1: did you think of his demeanor overall? Yeah, it was
22:17
Speaker 1: very odd. He just was sitting there waiting for something
22:20
Speaker 1: to happen. The last time I talked to him, he said,
22:23
Speaker 1: I just want to cry, And I looked at him
22:25
Speaker 1: and said, why aren't you interesting? You are hearing our
22:29
Speaker 1: friends at ABC Nightline talking to Nicole Atkinson. Now, she
22:34
Speaker 1: is the one that Shenan Watts had gone with on
22:38
Speaker 1: a work trip. She brought her home around two am.
22:42
Speaker 1: As soon as they touched down at the airport long
22:44
Speaker 1: flight home. Little does she know that was the last
22:47
Speaker 1: time she would see her friend Shenanne Watts alive listen.
22:50
Speaker 1: Atkinson had seen Sheanan that morning around two am, she says,
22:54
Speaker 1: dropping her off at home after returning from an out
22:56
Speaker 1: of town business trip. She went inside, turned around and
22:59
Speaker 1: waved at me and shut the door. But several hours later,
23:03
Speaker 1: the thirty four year old mother of two isn't answering
23:05
Speaker 1: her phone. She misses a doctor's appointment. Chanan was fifteen
23:08
Speaker 1: weeks pregnant. She was going to get it here the
23:11
Speaker 1: baby's heartbeat, see how he or she was doing. Growing Worried,
23:16
Speaker 1: Atkinson says, she went over to their house. Things were
23:20
Speaker 1: not how I would think that they were supposed to be.
23:23
Speaker 1: I guess the front door was locked differently than it
23:26
Speaker 1: normally was. I had my son to look in the
23:28
Speaker 1: garage to see if her car was there, and it
23:30
Speaker 1: was there, which was really peculiar because Shanan doesn't go
23:33
Speaker 1: places without her car usually. Because both of the girls
23:37
Speaker 1: are in Carson, you are hearing again the friend of
23:40
Speaker 1: Schnan Watts, that is Nicole Atkinson talking to her friends
23:44
Speaker 1: at ABC. Everything was off, but husband Chris Watts stuck
23:49
Speaker 1: with the lie, stuck with the lie. And Joe Scott Morgan,
23:54
Speaker 1: I really believe it was only when his neighbor called
23:58
Speaker 1: him over and this is on video shows him the
24:03
Speaker 1: video from his home surveillance and you can see Chris
24:08
Speaker 1: Watts going in and out and in and out throughout
24:12
Speaker 1: the morning and the day. And you never see Chanan
24:15
Speaker 1: or the girls leave. You do see Chris Watts loading
24:19
Speaker 1: stuff into his vehicle. And you can look at Chris
24:22
Speaker 1: Watts in that video, the neighbor's home surveillance video, and
24:27
Speaker 1: you see him. And now we're on the nanny cam
24:30
Speaker 1: and you see Chris Watts watching the outdoor surveillance video
24:36
Speaker 1: and he like holds his hands up to his face like,
24:39
Speaker 1: oh my stars, I'm so busted. Explain it, Joseph Scott Morgan. Yeah,
24:46
Speaker 1: And it's part and parcel of the bigger narrative here.
24:49
Speaker 1: He thinks that he's got this thing planned, he thinks
24:52
Speaker 1: that he's got, you know, all of his bases covered.
24:55
Speaker 1: But when he least expected, you know, I guess in
24:58
Speaker 1: a way that I've got is shining down upon him.
25:01
Speaker 1: He has that come to Jesus moment where he is
25:04
Speaker 1: literally in focus at that moment time, And boy, does
25:07
Speaker 1: that picture telle a tale, doesn't it, Nancy? About the
25:10
Speaker 1: reality that he's suddenly struck with. And it's really going
25:14
Speaker 1: to come home to roost on down the tracks when
25:16
Speaker 1: they begin to recover these bodies. You know, the thirty
25:18
Speaker 1: four year old dad to Alexis Terrest shot water online
25:22
Speaker 1: dot Com is so enamored with the coworker. According to
25:28
Speaker 1: this author Catle, he tried to Cautionan to miscarry the
25:33
Speaker 1: baby Nico by giving her oxy codon. Did you see that?
25:38
Speaker 1: I did. I don't understand why he thinks that would work,
25:42
Speaker 1: but that's that's what he told her. He said he
25:45
Speaker 1: crushed it up and he tried to give it to
25:47
Speaker 1: her and that would cause a miscarriage. So he was
25:50
Speaker 1: plotting this murder for months and months basically as soon
25:53
Speaker 1: as he met this other woman, and instead of divorcing
25:59
Speaker 1: her just leaving her, he killed her and their two
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Speaker 1: little daughters. And now he's just talking about it, but
26:06
Speaker 1: he has changed his story. I want to go back
26:08
Speaker 1: to where he says the way that he killed her
26:10
Speaker 1: from everything that the medical examiner said, you know, he
26:14
Speaker 1: didn't have a trial. He pleaded guilty, but the medical
26:16
Speaker 1: examiner described what happened. None of this matches up to
26:20
Speaker 1: the evidence of what he did. There was no huge
26:24
Speaker 1: fight or anything like that. According to medical examiner from
26:27
Speaker 1: the trial, he basically snuck up behind her in bed
26:32
Speaker 1: and suffocated her like that because of the side of
26:35
Speaker 1: the bruising that was on her. Next he just keeps
26:38
Speaker 1: changing his story to make it more gruesome and more disgusting.
26:41
Speaker 1: It's almost like he wants more and more attention. He
26:43
Speaker 1: doesn't want people forget about him. He wants to keep
26:45
Speaker 1: talking about everything that he did to Whitney Patrick, California prosecutor.
26:50
Speaker 1: I find this very very interesting. Again, the same thing
26:53
Speaker 1: out of a playbook. He suddenly starts getting fit again. Okay,
26:58
Speaker 1: he was a tiny, tiny pudgy. Suddenly he's working out,
27:04
Speaker 1: He's taking pictures of his abs, he's getting tans, he's
27:09
Speaker 1: showing off his tattoo, got a new haircut. Hello, Ding
27:13
Speaker 1: ding ding. He's having an affair. If I found David
27:17
Speaker 1: Lance taking pictures of his abs, I would do a backflip.
27:21
Speaker 1: And I think we all know why. Wendy Fact yeah,
27:22
Speaker 1: you know, you bring up a great point. Circumstantial evidence
27:26
Speaker 1: is often just as good as direct evid and sometimes
27:29
Speaker 1: better when you don't know what the motive is for
27:32
Speaker 1: somebody's subsequent conducts. It is true that these are telltale
27:35
Speaker 1: signs that something else is going on on the side. However,
27:38
Speaker 1: you can always imagine the defense in any case like this.
27:41
Speaker 1: We'll come back and argue, you know, a lot of
27:43
Speaker 1: people decide for the first time in their forties or
27:46
Speaker 1: fifties to decide to get fit. But when you pair
27:49
Speaker 1: that conduct with so much else that was going on
27:52
Speaker 1: that doesn't add up, and the facts that cannot be
27:55
Speaker 1: corroborated that come from a defendant, that is exactly when
27:58
Speaker 1: you notice that these science dub in fact pointed the
28:01
Speaker 1: inevitable something on the side having an affair i e.
28:05
Speaker 1: In this case and cases like it, motive for murder.
28:08
Speaker 1: You know, according to this author, Sherilyn Catle, quote after
28:13
Speaker 1: Christopher killed his family and drove away, NICKI text him
28:17
Speaker 1: to look up the song by Metallica called Quote Battery.
28:22
Speaker 1: I challenge you to look up the full lyrics of
28:25
Speaker 1: this song. I find it interesting that we should believe
28:28
Speaker 1: it's only a coincidence Alexa's Terrestchuck, it's very dark. They're
28:34
Speaker 1: very dark lyrics. Lashing out the action, returning the reaction.
28:39
Speaker 1: Weak are ripped and torn away, hypnotizing power, crushing all
28:45
Speaker 1: that power. Battery is here to stay, smashing through the boundaries.
28:51
Speaker 1: Lunacy has found me, pounding out, Aggression turns into obsession.
28:58
Speaker 1: Cannot kill the battery, cannot kill the family. Battery is
29:04
Speaker 1: found in me, crushing deceivers, mashing nonbelievers, never ending, potency hungry, violence, seeker,
29:15
Speaker 1: feeding off the weaker, breathing on insanity. That's the lyrics
29:22
Speaker 1: she sent him. Well, is that correct? I like this?
29:26
Speaker 1: I mean in the minutes after he murders his wife
29:29
Speaker 1: and children, guess. And that's the thing. They had such
29:32
Speaker 1: a bizarre relationship. Most people are sending like naked pictures
29:37
Speaker 1: and love notes. Instead she's sending these violent lyrics. And
29:41
Speaker 1: he had spent all this time trying to get rid
29:43
Speaker 1: of his wife and telling her that everything was going
29:45
Speaker 1: to be over, he was going to be with her.
29:48
Speaker 1: How on earth could this woman think that it was
29:50
Speaker 1: just gonna be Oh, I'm just gonna leave my wife
29:51
Speaker 1: and my children. This was such He's such a violent
29:55
Speaker 1: person that he and he hid this from so many people,
29:58
Speaker 1: except this mistress is totally involved in the same thing,
30:01
Speaker 1: sending these violent lyrics and living this fantasy lifestyle that
30:05
Speaker 1: they were going to be together after his wife and
30:06
Speaker 1: his girls just disappear. You know. Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor,
30:10
Speaker 1: I always say, there's no coincidence in criminal law that
30:12
Speaker 1: she the lover would send him this in the minutes
30:17
Speaker 1: after he murders his family. Yeah, it doesn't make any
30:20
Speaker 1: sense at all. And you know, you just kind of think,
30:22
Speaker 1: how in the world can any possible relationships survive a murder.
30:26
Speaker 1: It's also interesting the Amber threat connection, and you wonder
30:31
Speaker 1: how many other one of these and we could probably
30:33
Speaker 1: discuss one each month where you have exactly this, a
30:37
Speaker 1: pregnant wife and a mistress and somehow this belief sometimes
30:41
Speaker 1: on both of their parts that there's going to be
30:43
Speaker 1: some quality of relationship after this kind of a murder
31:01
Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace, So he tells you everything's normal.
31:07
Speaker 1: She's on a play date, yes, And you didn't buy that, no,
31:10
Speaker 1: because Shanane, Like in my mind, I couldn't figure out
31:15
Speaker 1: why she'd go on a play date without her car.
31:17
Speaker 1: Atkinson says she tells what she's calling a police for
31:20
Speaker 1: a welfare check, and that he says he'll meet her
31:23
Speaker 1: at the couple's home. You knew even then his story
31:25
Speaker 1: was not adding up. It wasn't making sense to me.
31:32
Speaker 1: Sc My name's the Coal and I'm calling because I'm
31:35
Speaker 1: concerned about a friend of mine. Um. I dropped her
31:39
Speaker 1: off at her house at two in the morning last
31:40
Speaker 1: night because we were out of town together and threw
31:42
Speaker 1: all the way back from the airport and continue to
31:45
Speaker 1: dontews and she's pregnant, and I haven't been able to
31:49
Speaker 1: get a hold of her this morning. And I've gotten
31:51
Speaker 1: to her house in her cards there and stuff like that,
31:54
Speaker 1: but she won't answer the door. If she won't answer
31:56
Speaker 1: phone calls, she won't answer text messages. And I'm just
32:00
Speaker 1: really really concerned. Doctor appointment this morning and she didn't
32:04
Speaker 1: go to and I don't know what to do. I
32:08
Speaker 1: called him and talk to him and he said that
32:11
Speaker 1: she went on a pretty date with her and their
32:13
Speaker 1: two daughters. But I mean to Stephen Lampley, detective author
32:21
Speaker 1: of Outside Your Door. You can find him at Stephen
32:24
Speaker 1: Lampley dot com. Steve Lampley, Why is the friend having
32:28
Speaker 1: to call on nine one one? Why not the husband? Lancy,
32:31
Speaker 1: he didn't think. He didn't want to be discovered. Uh,
32:34
Speaker 1: you know, it's as far as why inside his mind.
32:37
Speaker 1: I really don't have an answer to that. Uh. Maybe
32:41
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be on the recording, and it
32:42
Speaker 1: could be any number of reasons why. Perhaps he didn't
32:45
Speaker 1: want to be the one to call. I think very
32:47
Speaker 1: clearly to Joseph Scott Morgan, of course I agree with
32:50
Speaker 1: Stephen Lampley on that. But just Scott Morgan death investigator,
32:53
Speaker 1: an author of Blood Beneath my Feet, because the more
32:56
Speaker 1: time that passes, the less likely the case will be solved,
33:00
Speaker 1: The more likely the bodies will decompose, the evidence will
33:05
Speaker 1: go stale, the traill will go cold. That's why he
33:08
Speaker 1: didn't want to report her missing. He didn't want her
33:11
Speaker 1: ever reported missing, and then the friend reports her. Yeah,
33:14
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right in that sense. And Nancy, going back
33:18
Speaker 1: to the bodies of these little girls, he knew he
33:21
Speaker 1: worked in the petroleum industry, He knew what was contained
33:24
Speaker 1: in those and those storage drums that are out there
33:28
Speaker 1: in that isolated area. And just so that our listeners,
33:32
Speaker 1: your listeners understand, this is raw petroleum. This contains things
33:36
Speaker 1: like taluween. As was mentioned earlier by Alexis, the bodies
33:41
Speaker 1: had already begun to deglove. This shouldn't have happened in
33:44
Speaker 1: this short period of time, but he knew because the
33:48
Speaker 1: contents and chemical makeup of that stuff that was in
33:51
Speaker 1: that drum, it would cause the bodies to begin to
33:54
Speaker 1: rapidly break apart. It's caustic. Actually, taluween is something that
33:58
Speaker 1: we use as a cleaning solvent, So it's nasty stuff
34:02
Speaker 1: that he's involved in. And this is all part and
34:05
Speaker 1: parcel of the bigger picture. He wants to put as
34:07
Speaker 1: much distance between him and this horrible crime he's committed
34:12
Speaker 1: as he possibly can, because in his mind he's thinking,
34:15
Speaker 1: I'm going to get away with this. I'm going to
34:17
Speaker 1: get away with this. But seems like the universe had
34:19
Speaker 1: other other you know. Answers to Alexis. Restaurant Raider online
34:24
Speaker 1: dot com investigative reporter who's been on the case. In
34:27
Speaker 1: the very beginning, Chris Watts tells his author Sherlan Catle,
34:33
Speaker 1: that his daughter, his murdered daughter, the little girl he
34:37
Speaker 1: murdered quote, visited him and danced for him in his
34:42
Speaker 1: prison cell, and that he had a phone conversation with
34:46
Speaker 1: his dead Why he is telling these stories. He said
34:50
Speaker 1: he had a dream that his little girl was dancing
34:53
Speaker 1: next to his bed in his cell, and she was
34:57
Speaker 1: dancing all around the chair. And then when he woke up,
35:00
Speaker 1: papers that were on his chair started moving, and he
35:03
Speaker 1: knew that that was her. And he said he was
35:05
Speaker 1: so glad that she came to visit him, and that
35:07
Speaker 1: he hoped that she would come and visit again. But
35:10
Speaker 1: you know what he has said to this lady. He says,
35:12
Speaker 1: you know, I am not mentally ill in any way,
35:14
Speaker 1: shape or form, and so I'm not even going to
35:16
Speaker 1: get tested to see if I'm mentally ill. And his
35:19
Speaker 1: own mother has spoken to this author and she said
35:22
Speaker 1: she doesn't believe that he is mentally ill either, and
35:24
Speaker 1: she doesn't think that he should be tested. He's had
35:26
Speaker 1: no testing behind prison walls at all, but instead he's
35:30
Speaker 1: having his little daughter visit. And he yes, and he
35:33
Speaker 1: did say that she nan called him on the phone again.
35:35
Speaker 1: These are dreams that he then feels are coming to
35:39
Speaker 1: life when he's awake, and so it's just all this
35:43
Speaker 1: crazy talk and he's trying to say all these nice things,
35:45
Speaker 1: and he has pictures of the girls up in his
35:47
Speaker 1: cell and he misses them and he loves them, which
35:49
Speaker 1: he certainly didn't do when he murdered them in cold
35:51
Speaker 1: blood in their bed. And he actually said he had
35:55
Speaker 1: to smother them twice because they woke back up. Absolutely
36:00
Speaker 1: horrifying detail that I don't believe. He also says to
36:03
Speaker 1: doctor Robbie Ludwig joining Us, author of Till Death Do
36:07
Speaker 1: Us Part, Love, Marriage, and the Mind of a Killer's
36:11
Speaker 1: Spouse on Amazon. He also says that quote God gave
36:16
Speaker 1: him three chances to pull away from Nikki and not
36:20
Speaker 1: murder her, but he Watts did not listen to the
36:23
Speaker 1: voices you Now, I think Chris Wats just loves hearing
36:26
Speaker 1: himself talk. Any opportunity to say something provocative, anything provocative,
36:32
Speaker 1: just to be heard and to be the center of
36:35
Speaker 1: attention is what's driving him right now. He is an
36:40
Speaker 1: attention horror more than anything else. And so he knows
36:45
Speaker 1: that he can say almost anything and he can get
36:50
Speaker 1: a lot of attention, and it's really good attention, and
36:53
Speaker 1: people are writing about him and maybe one day there'll
36:56
Speaker 1: be a movie about him, and maybe some good looking
36:59
Speaker 1: actor will him. I think this all has to do
37:02
Speaker 1: with his GRANDIOSI more than wanting to reveal what the
37:06
Speaker 1: truth is, you know, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor. According to
37:12
Speaker 1: this author, SHERYLN. Cadle, who has spent hours and hours
37:16
Speaker 1: and hours talking to Chris Watts behind bars, she says
37:20
Speaker 1: that he described how he smothered his girls with the
37:23
Speaker 1: pillows off their beds. And I don't know if you've
37:26
Speaker 1: ever seen this, but both John, David and Lucy's bets
37:29
Speaker 1: are covered with stuffies and pillows and all sorts of allergies,
37:33
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but only to have them wake up. He
37:38
Speaker 1: then drove them with their dead mom's body in the
37:42
Speaker 1: car to the oil field where he worked. He says,
37:45
Speaker 1: I dumped sheanan on the ground. I wonder if that's
37:49
Speaker 1: when she had cough and birth and actually gave birth
37:51
Speaker 1: to the baby Nico. Then I walked back to the
37:54
Speaker 1: truck and with the blanket Celestious holding, I put it
37:58
Speaker 1: over her head and smothered her. He describes squeezing celestive
38:02
Speaker 1: body through an eight inch hatch in one of the
38:05
Speaker 1: oil tankers and quote, I couldn't believe how easily it
38:09
Speaker 1: was just to let her drop through the hole and
38:13
Speaker 1: let her go. I heard the splash as she hit
38:18
Speaker 1: the oil. You know what this means to me, Wendy Patrick.
38:21
Speaker 1: Not only is he gonna burn in hell, but if
38:26
Speaker 1: he ever hoped to get a redo on his guilty please,
38:31
Speaker 1: there are some reports that he now wants to get
38:34
Speaker 1: rid of the guilty please and go to trial. It
38:36
Speaker 1: ain't gonna happen because an appellet court, where this is
38:41
Speaker 1: going to go, They're gonna take it up if he
38:44
Speaker 1: tries to get a trial. An appeal is a guilty
38:46
Speaker 1: pleay under God only knows what grounds. But the appellet
38:50
Speaker 1: court is going to read all this. This is damning.
38:53
Speaker 1: He is not going to get a trial. Yeah, you know,
38:55
Speaker 1: a couple of great points made by your last guest
38:58
Speaker 1: talking about grandy and the defendant wanting to hear himself talk,
39:03
Speaker 1: but wanting to hear himself talk, paired with the grandiosity,
39:06
Speaker 1: has created a record that an appeli court is going
39:09
Speaker 1: to just absolutely crucify him with. Is what you would
39:12
Speaker 1: imagine would happen were there ever any legitimate air quotes
39:17
Speaker 1: grounds for appeal in a case like this. You know,
39:19
Speaker 1: as I'm listening to the facts I'm listening to and
39:22
Speaker 1: having this conversation, I'm thinking, at least a jury was
39:24
Speaker 1: spared having to hear these facts and go home to
39:27
Speaker 1: their own families just forever listening to the gruesome details.
39:31
Speaker 1: There's not a single detail that was shared by the
39:34
Speaker 1: defendant that is in any way omitigant. And that's important
39:37
Speaker 1: because that's what you would need, one would think when
39:40
Speaker 1: you go to the appellate process and deciding are there
39:43
Speaker 1: any valid grounds for appeal? All of these facts are
39:46
Speaker 1: being recited almost callously, matter of factly, without the level
39:52
Speaker 1: of remorse you would expect if, in fact, he has
39:54
Speaker 1: given his life to christ as this actress, as this
39:58
Speaker 1: writer apparently has been trying to facilitate to Alexas Tresho
40:02
Speaker 1: ritar online dot com, what is his life like behind
40:07
Speaker 1: prison walls. Well, he's in a maximum security prison with
40:12
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. He actually got moved out of Colorado because
40:15
Speaker 1: he is so well known and he has no interaction
40:22
Speaker 1: with other inmates. He's in his cell. It's basically like
40:25
Speaker 1: solitary confinement. He's in a cell twenty hours a day,
40:29
Speaker 1: but he has access to the phone. He writes constant letters.
40:33
Speaker 1: And then when he is visitors, now he's allowed to
40:36
Speaker 1: spend time with them on the same side of the glass.
40:39
Speaker 1: He's able to touch them, he's able to have them
40:42
Speaker 1: bring him presents, as you said, outside food, and so
40:45
Speaker 1: he's really leading a fairly well. I mean, how the
40:48
Speaker 1: heck did he get a cheeseburger or potato ships? That's
40:51
Speaker 1: what they can bring it in here, which I guess
40:53
Speaker 1: they have to go through it with a fine tooth conel,
40:55
Speaker 1: because you know, you could pine anything in a cheeseburger.
40:57
Speaker 1: And but this is what every but he is doing
41:00
Speaker 1: for him and he has really he must just be
41:03
Speaker 1: such a charmer in real life. I can't see that
41:06
Speaker 1: through the videos of him. He looks to me like
41:08
Speaker 1: somebody that killed his wife and two daughters. But people,
41:11
Speaker 1: these women that are all coming from all over the
41:13
Speaker 1: country to visit him and write him and talk to
41:15
Speaker 1: him have really fallen under his spell. He's really charmed them.
41:19
Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds, as Chris Watts cooperates with
41:25
Speaker 1: a tell all memoir about himself, and as he battles
41:30
Speaker 1: to get a new trial. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing
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Speaker 1: off Goodbye Friend,