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WHO IS GIRL with Scorpion Tattoo - Handcuffed, Strangled, Beaten & Burned? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace. What does a gorgeous young
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  Speaker 1: mom of a top girl have to do with a
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  Speaker 1: woman's body washing up on the beach only identified by
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  Speaker 1: a scorpion tattoo. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for being with us here at Foxination and Sirius
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  Speaker 1: XM one eleven. Let's start with the young mom. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at crime Online.
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  Speaker 2: Christine Belusko was raised in Montville, New Jersey. Her dad, Frank,
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  Speaker 2: was a New Jersey glass molder, while her mom, Dorothy,
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  Speaker 2: worked as an auto dealership secretary. Frank and Dorothy didn't
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  Speaker 2: tell Christine that they adopted her as a baby, not
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  Speaker 2: an uncommon practice at the time. Christine grew up not
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  Speaker 2: knowing that Friend and Dorothy Belusko were not her biological parents.
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  Speaker 2: It was only after Christine had a daughter of her
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  Speaker 2: own that the truth came out. Christine's biological mother had
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  Speaker 2: given birth to eight other children and decided to give
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  Speaker 2: up Christine for adoption when she was still an infant.
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  Speaker 2: Christine was shocked.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, before I even get into the facts any further,
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  Speaker 1: I've got to address that glaring, gaping issue. Karen Stark
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  Speaker 1: is with me, a renowned psychologists a joining us out
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  Speaker 1: of New York in Manhattan today.
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  Speaker 3: You can find her at Karenstark dot com.
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  Speaker 1: That's Karen with a se Karen, how do you handle
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  Speaker 1: how well? I know it's different with every family, it
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  Speaker 1: must be, but in your mind, how do you believe
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  Speaker 1: adoptees adoptees should be informed and when they're adopted.
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  Speaker 4: Nancy, I have no doubt that someone who's adopted should
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  Speaker 4: be told strongly, in my opinion, and known that they
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  Speaker 4: are adopted for as soon as you can, and possibly
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  Speaker 4: tell them that story when their children you presented as
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  Speaker 4: a story in you use their name. You know, Sally,
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  Speaker 4: we saw this beautiful little baby and decided that we
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  Speaker 4: wanted a baby. We couldn't have one.
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  Speaker 3: Things like that.
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  Speaker 4: They need to know that this is not their biological parents,
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  Speaker 4: but it doesn't matter because they're being loved and cared for,
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  Speaker 4: not a surprise. That's the worst thing you could possibly do.
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  Speaker 1: Just trying to think of the right way to say
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  Speaker 1: something like that.
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  Speaker 5: The stories for children.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know that I would say, well,
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  Speaker 1: we couldn't have a baby, so we got you, like
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  Speaker 1: you're the consolation prize.
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  Speaker 3: I think I would say.
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  Speaker 1: Something like, we wanted you so much and then we
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  Speaker 1: found out about you, and we took you because we
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  Speaker 1: wanted you to be in our home when your mommy
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  Speaker 1: couldn't take care of you.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how to say it.
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  Speaker 4: You're bringing up good point because I worked with someone
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  Speaker 4: who was told that that story that you're saying right now,
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  Speaker 4: and he decided that he didn't turn out the way
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  Speaker 4: they would have wanted him to. So what a mistake
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  Speaker 4: they made choosing him. So you have to be really
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  Speaker 4: careful about the story that you decide to tell, but
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  Speaker 4: you need to tell as soon as you can.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and look, in this case, Christine Belisko
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  Speaker 1: finds out and is shocked, and she doesn't find out
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  Speaker 1: until she has a child, and I guess Nicole Parton
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  Speaker 1: joining me Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Nicole, thanks
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. How did it come out that
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  Speaker 1: once she had the baby, she found out she was adopted?
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  Speaker 3: How did that happen?
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  Speaker 6: She began to inquire about family history, as so often
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  Speaker 6: mothers do when they're having children of their own, and
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  Speaker 6: they told her the truth.
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  Speaker 3: They came out.
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  Speaker 6: Honestly and began to tell her the story of her adoption.
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  Speaker 6: At that point, of course, now she's an adult woman,
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  Speaker 6: she's thirty years old, and she didn't handle that quite well.
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  Speaker 6: And that's when she became very upset with her family
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  Speaker 6: and said that she was leaving.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Karen Stark, you're the renowned psychologist. Isn't that
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  Speaker 1: a little extreme to be so upset with your mom
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  Speaker 1: and dad that you just leave?
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  Speaker 5: Well, if you.
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  Speaker 4: Think about it, I mean leaving, that's very extreme.
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  Speaker 5: But if you think about the fact.
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  Speaker 4: That your whole life you believe a certain story, that
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  Speaker 4: this is where you come from, this is what happened,
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  Speaker 4: and then the shock of realizing that the people you
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  Speaker 4: trusted the most lied to you, that's really hard to digest. Nancy,
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  Speaker 4: think about that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you what happened the other day.
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  Speaker 1: Lucy and John David were in the backseat. This is
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  Speaker 1: where everything always happens. When they were three, they'd say,
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  Speaker 1: I heard so, and so what did they say the
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  Speaker 1: first time? The first time they ever said that, they said,
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  Speaker 1: I heard it was John David. OI heard Miss Cartwright
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  Speaker 1: gives out candy and reading circle.
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  Speaker 3: That was the big hot news on the playground. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: where did you hear that?
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  Speaker 1: And he goes on the playground that's like on the street,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the playground. Well, the other day trying and
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  Speaker 1: Lucy said, I don't even remember which girl it is, says,
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  Speaker 1: I'll just pretend it to you.
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  Speaker 3: Jackie. Jackie came from an egg.
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  Speaker 1: And I said, okay, first of all, he's Jackie, And
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean a chicken egg?
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  Speaker 3: I was just kidding around, didn't know what she was
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  Speaker 3: talking about.
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  Speaker 1: She goes, now, her mom got the egg from somebody
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  Speaker 1: else because she couldn't have babies. This was last year,
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  Speaker 1: maybe the year before that. They already knew about, you know,
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  Speaker 1: donor eggs and all that. And she said, mom, am
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  Speaker 1: I from your egg. I'm like, yes, Lucy, you and
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  Speaker 1: John David both And she really believed me until she
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  Speaker 1: insists on having twenty three and me and we did
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  Speaker 1: it and she saw that we had the same exact ancestry.
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  Speaker 1: But a long story short, this little girl had known
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  Speaker 1: whoever the little girl was, had known for years and
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  Speaker 1: years and years that her mom used an egg doner
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  Speaker 1: and it was just kind of like matter of fact,
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  Speaker 1: see what I'm saying Karen start. It's not like a
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  Speaker 1: big issue that she's suddenly going to run away from
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  Speaker 1: home over That's.
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  Speaker 4: Why it's really important to tell the story as soon
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  Speaker 4: as you can, right from the beginning, because then it
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  Speaker 4: really isn't the same kind of big deal that it
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  Speaker 4: is if you're already grown up and you're hit with
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  Speaker 4: this news and the way that you think about yourself
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  Speaker 4: and your whole life then has changed overnight.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you know, Karen Starr, you've led me down
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  Speaker 1: the garden path. I want to get back to the
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  Speaker 1: girl whose body washes up on the shore, But more
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  Speaker 1: about this young mom of a taught girl herself who
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  Speaker 1: discovers kind of like ey the blue no idea this
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  Speaker 1: was going to happen, that she was adopted.
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  Speaker 3: Take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 2: Christine was raised in mom but her last known address
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  Speaker 2: was in Clifton, New Jersey. Once she learned about being
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  Speaker 2: adopted as a baby, the single mother announced to the
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  Speaker 2: family she was leaving for Florida. She left in July
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  Speaker 2: and stayed at the Mount Airy Lodge near Mount Pocono.
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  Speaker 2: Well certainly not Florida, but she had left New Jersey.
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  Speaker 2: Family members didn't hear from Christina and just assumed that
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  Speaker 2: she had moved to Florida and just wasn't communicating with
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  Speaker 2: them for the time being. A friend saw her at
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  Speaker 2: the mount Airy Lodge in September, but shortly after that
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  Speaker 2: she was gone. Her family still thought she was in
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  Speaker 2: Florida with her toddler, Kristen Nicole, starting a new life together.
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  Speaker 7: Christine Belusko, a thirty year old single mother to a
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  Speaker 7: two year old girl, works for the retail chain Rainbow Shops,
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  Speaker 7: setting up new stores when they open. After telling her
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  Speaker 7: family she was moving to Florida.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So she heads to Florida to start a new
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  Speaker 1: life with her little girl, and the family thinks that
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  Speaker 1: at some point she's going to cool down and she's
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  Speaker 1: going to come back.
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  Speaker 3: Is that right, Nicole parton.
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  Speaker 6: Right, So her family thinks, believing her story, she's going
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  Speaker 6: to go to Florida. Probably things will settle down, she'll
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  Speaker 6: enjoy the sunshine in the sea for a while, and
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  Speaker 6: she'll come back to us. So they're not really concerned.
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  Speaker 6: They're upset, of course, to lose their daughter and their granddaughter,
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  Speaker 6: but they also feel like things will simmer down and
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  Speaker 6: she'll return.
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  Speaker 3: Shortly Jason Jensen joining me.
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  Speaker 1: High profile private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations and
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  Speaker 1: the co founder of Cold Case Coalition. You can find
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  Speaker 1: them at Jensenprivate Investigations dot com. Jason, thanks for being
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  Speaker 1: with us now. Isn't that true? Isn't it true that
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  Speaker 1: very often a family will believe a family member has
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  Speaker 1: gone missing, and ultimately the family member wanders back into
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  Speaker 1: their life.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 8: Yes, oftentimes people do leave and come back, and frequently
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  Speaker 8: that family member will report this person as missing and
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  Speaker 8: law enforcement will resist, say, well, everybody, as an adult
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  Speaker 8: has a right to disappear, and nothing gets to pursue,
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  Speaker 8: No paperwork gets filed for like a missing person's report.
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  Speaker 8: That's usually the biggest problem here because what I see
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  Speaker 8: that's glaringly obvious in this case is there's no missing
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  Speaker 8: person's report filed.
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  Speaker 1: But Nicole partner it's not weird because she says, how
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  Speaker 1: dare you not tell me, adopted, I'm leaving, I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to Florida to open the next Rainbow store, and off
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  Speaker 1: she goes.
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  Speaker 3: Right, So why would they file a missing person right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 6: They had no reason to believe that she was missing.
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  Speaker 6: She clearly told them what her plans were she was leaving.
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  Speaker 6: She was going down there to open the clothing store.
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  Speaker 6: She was upset, so they had no reason to believe
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  Speaker 6: anything other than she was really upset with us, so
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  Speaker 6: she's left no reason for concern.
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  Speaker 1: At the same time, on a parallel path, the discovery
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  Speaker 1: of a dead body makes headlines. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: Michael McMahon today.
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  Speaker 9: We want to speak about the case of the Girl
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  Speaker 9: with a Scorpion tattoo. This is a story about a
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  Speaker 9: brutal and depraved murder, depraved acts of violence that killed
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  Speaker 9: this young girl in her prime, and the dumping of
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  Speaker 9: her body in a lonely and desolate field. On east
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  Speaker 9: shore of Staten Island.
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  Speaker 7: Monday morning, just after dawn, a body was found across
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  Speaker 7: the road from South Beach Psychiatric Two employees walking by
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  Speaker 7: initially thought it was a discarded mannequin. The woman was handcuffed,
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  Speaker 7: strangled and struck with a hammer seventeen times. The body
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  Speaker 7: was then set on fire. The murder weapon was found
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  Speaker 7: in theeath the body.
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  Speaker 9: A young woman was found brutally beaten, strangled and burned
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  Speaker 9: on Stetm Island's east shore. She had been handcuffed partially
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  Speaker 9: clothed and had numerous blunt trauma forces to her head.
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  Speaker 9: She was found with a distinctive scorpion tattoo and this
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  Speaker 9: case was followed with great sorrow and public intrigue across
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  Speaker 9: the borough and beyond, and she became known as the
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  Speaker 9: Girl of the Sporting Tattoo.
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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, please join us now on
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  Speaker 1: Fox Nation for a brand new investigation, Parallels of Evil
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  Speaker 1: the Bundy and Idaho Killings. In this gripping special investigation,
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  Speaker 1: disturbing similarities of evil between these horrible crimes. We speak
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  Speaker 1: with two female Ted Bundy survivors, Karen Pryor and Cheryl Thomas,
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  Speaker 1: who described their life before and after they were victims
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  Speaker 1: of Ted Bundy. We also speak with the renowned private
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  Speaker 1: investigator Bill Warner who worked the cases, and Ted Bundy's
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  Speaker 3: Crime Stories with Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: Grease straight out to renowned forensic pathologist, medical examiner, and
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  Speaker 1: former detective author of homicide investigation field Guide, doctor Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: doctor dupre, thank you for being with us. You know,
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  Speaker 1: when these two employees at a health facility across the
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  Speaker 1: street from where the body had washed up on the shore,
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  Speaker 1: they first said they thought they were looking at a mannequin.
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  Speaker 1: Now I heard that before many times before, no, several
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  Speaker 1: times before, not many, and one of them was when
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  Speaker 1: baby Connor washed ashore, that is the unborn child, the
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  Speaker 1: unborn son of Lacey and Scott Peterson.
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  Speaker 3: Remember, I do remember, I believe. Well, one body washed
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  Speaker 3: up and then twenty four hours later, on the next tide,
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  Speaker 3: the next body washed up, and Baby Connor was described
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  Speaker 3: as looking like a baby mannequin or a baby doll.
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  Speaker 3: There's totally pristine.
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  Speaker 1: And we now know the reason was that while Lacey's
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  Speaker 1: body had decomposed underwater, one of the strongest portions of
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  Speaker 1: the human body, and that being the uterus and the
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  Speaker 1: muscle surrounding it, protected baby Connor from much of that decomposure.
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  Speaker 1: As her body decomposed, her stomach literally opened up and
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  Speaker 1: Connor floated out. Is the way that I understand the
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  Speaker 1: medical testimony in the Scott Peterson.
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  Speaker 3: Double murder trial.
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  Speaker 1: So when the baby washed up on the shore, much
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  Speaker 1: as we have with the girl with a scorpion tattoo,
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  Speaker 1: he looked like a mannequin. How can a dead body
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  Speaker 1: look like a mannequin?
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  Speaker 5: Nancy, That's a very good idea. The reason is is
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  Speaker 5: because when a body is preserved in water, especially coomer water,
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  Speaker 5: it's going to actually help to preserve that body. But
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  Speaker 5: once it comes out of the water and it touches air,
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  Speaker 5: then decomposition set sen fairly rapid. So in this case,
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  Speaker 5: just like in Connor's case, the uterus as well as
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  Speaker 5: being in the cooler water help protect him, as it
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  Speaker 5: did with the girl with the scopion tattoo.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, just like that, you explained the whole thing away,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Duprie.
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  Speaker 3: Could we go through.
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  Speaker 1: Some of these injuries beaten, strangled, burned, handcuffed, stripped, blunt
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  Speaker 1: forced trauma to the head that's killing her like three
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  Speaker 1: times over, Doctor Duprie, how do you determine a cause
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  Speaker 1: of death and all that trauma to the body.
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  Speaker 5: It is nancy, this is overkill. I mean, somebody wanted
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  Speaker 5: one of this person dead very badly. Handcuffing obviously was
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  Speaker 5: to keep her restrained. We can tell most of the
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  Speaker 5: time whether she was beaten to death or strangled first.
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  Speaker 5: Most likely obviously she was burned last. But when someone
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  Speaker 5: is beaten, there's something called a vital reaction. And even
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  Speaker 5: though the body has been in the water, look at
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  Speaker 5: the tissues and see if there is a quote, vital
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  Speaker 5: reaction or blood in those tissues. If so, then that
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  Speaker 5: body was most likely at least still partially alive when
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  Speaker 5: they were beaten strangled. Of course, we look for things
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  Speaker 5: like particular hemorrhages in the eyes and that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, you're going to have to say all that again,
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  Speaker 1: please so we can understand it. When you were saying.
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  Speaker 5: A vital what a vital reaction?
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  Speaker 3: So you mean bleeding and bruising.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, those are both vital reactions as it relates to
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  Speaker 1: a human body.
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  Speaker 3: Now, if the.
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  Speaker 1: Person, if the girl with a scorpion tattoo, was already dead,
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  Speaker 1: you would not expect any bleeding or bruising to the body.
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  Speaker 5: Why that's correct. You would not expect it in the
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  Speaker 5: same areas. Of course, blood could seep out from after
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  Speaker 5: you're dead, but it isn't going to be pumping through
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  Speaker 5: your organs, and so blood found in tissues can be
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  Speaker 5: this vital reaction, which means the person was still alive
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  Speaker 5: at the time that injury occurs.
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  Speaker 1: And regular people talk was your day. Your heart's no
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  Speaker 1: longer beating, it's no longer pumping blood. So if you
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  Speaker 1: are beaten or stabbed postmortem, after death, there's not going
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  Speaker 1: to be a lot of blood and there's not going
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  Speaker 1: to be any bruising because there's no blood to cause.
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  Speaker 3: Either of those quote vital reactions. Is that right?
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  Speaker 5: That's correct.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just thinking about Karen Stark the psychological aspect
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  Speaker 1: of this young girl with the scorpion tattoo being handcuffed.
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  Speaker 3: What if anything does that tell you?
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  Speaker 4: It tells me that something awful has happened, Nancy, because.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, anybody, the guy walking down the street
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  Speaker 1: can tell me that, I already know something horrible happened.
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  Speaker 1: She's bludging, she's burned, she's handcuffed, she's strangled.
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  Speaker 3: I was looking for a little bit more. You're the
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  Speaker 3: trained psychologist, and she was not able.
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  Speaker 4: To descend herself. She had no ability to get this
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  Speaker 4: person to whoever it may be, offer her. That's what
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  Speaker 4: I think about when I think about handcuffs. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: that's it. You're dead if someone is beating you.
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  Speaker 3: Just trying to think this through.
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  Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen joining me, high profile lawyer out of the
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  Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction, former prosecutor, and you can find them on
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  Speaker 1: Facebook at Darryl B.
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  Speaker 3: Cohen co h E n Darryl.
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  Speaker 1: You've prosecuted and defended a lot of murder cases. But
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  Speaker 1: that is just an added fact you don't normally find
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  Speaker 1: when you find your victim has been handcuffed.
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  Speaker 10: Nancy. It's unbelievable when a victim has been handcuffed. What
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  Speaker 10: does that tell you? It tells you is that the
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  Speaker 10: person or persons who's after that victim, who destroyed that victim,
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  Speaker 10: is going to make sure they suffer, is going to
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  Speaker 10: make sure that they die in a way that the
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  Speaker 10: the perpetrator wants them to die. Very unusual. It's not
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  Speaker 10: a crime of passion, it's a crime of I'm going
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  Speaker 10: to do it, and this is how I'm going to
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  Speaker 10: do it. This didn't just happen, It happened in advance.
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  Speaker 3: Well, another thing, Darryl.
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  Speaker 1: It has to do with what what has happened to
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  Speaker 1: the victim in that. Yes, I know she's been murdered
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  Speaker 1: three times over, she's been beaten, she's been burned, she's
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  Speaker 1: been strangled. Okay, but the handcuff aspect means she was disabled.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: The perp went to the extent of disabling her. In
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: other words, he didn't sneak up on her and an
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: alley and bopera in the head and raper and run.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: He went.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: And I say yes because statistically, and jump in Dodgor debrief,
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Statistically, this killer is a man. He went
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: to great lengths, to a great extent, to disable her,
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: so she couldn't fight back, so she couldn't get away,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: and yet he still killed her three times over.
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: That tells me a lot about the mind the killer Nancy.
• 20:01
  Speaker 10: He was furious, he was so mad. It's something she
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: did or he perceived that she did. That he had
• 20:07
  Speaker 10: to make sure that she was dead, dead, dead and
• 20:11
  Speaker 10: hurting and terrorized.
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: You know, with me.
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: Jason Jensen, high profile private investigator, owner of Jensen Private Investigations,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: what would you do as soon as you see this body?
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: What would be the first thing investigators should.
• 20:26
  Speaker 8: Do well in this particular case. In light of the
• 20:29
  Speaker 8: fact that she was cuffed, this is clearly somebody that
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: had restrained her. This was premeditated. So who would want
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: to abductor likely where would they take this person? You know,
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: the victim, and how do they commit this crime? You're
• 20:47
  Speaker 8: going to want to try and retrace the last steps
• 20:50
  Speaker 8: that she had that were known for the victim and
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: see who she interacted with. We know that her type
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: of injuries were blunt first trauma, and they found on
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: the murder weapon underneath her body. What kind of weapon
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: was used, what kind of professional use is that kind
• 21:07
  Speaker 8: of weapon?
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: And what idiot would leave the murder weapon under the body.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: But here, I agree with everything you just said, Jason Jensen.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Here's the problem. We can't trace her footsteps because we
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: don't know.
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: Who she is.
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: So how can we say, oh, where was Jackie last night?
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: You know what, I'll call her son and find out.
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: I'll get her cell phone and see who you call last.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I'll look at the NAP system on her car.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: We don't know who this woman is.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: To look at anything we don't have any indication of
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: who she is, But what do we know?
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: Take a listen to our cut six.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: This is David Nilsen, a criminal investigator.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: Listen discovery.
• 21:44
  Speaker 11: She was wearing the dress, speakers, She had two gold
• 21:48
  Speaker 11: chains on and a ring launch. She also had a
• 21:51
  Speaker 11: squoby attention on her right buttox.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Based on witnesses.
• 21:54
  Speaker 11: Accounts, body had been a deceit from at least six
• 21:58
  Speaker 11: PM to ninety for finger Prince entered into state local
• 22:03
  Speaker 11: databases for identification purposes. Sketches of the victim, her tattoo
• 22:09
  Speaker 11: and jewelry were just seventy into the public via cap
• 22:13
  Speaker 11: and names we utilized during the closenest investigation and attempts
• 22:17
  Speaker 11: to identify our victory.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: Okay too, Darryl Cohen, high profile defense attorney joining us
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. But former felony prosecutor. Why
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: would you disseminate her clothing and her jewelry. Well, she
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: didn't have a whole lot of clothing left. She was
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: partially nude, but her watch, anything that she was.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: Wearing, was the significance of that.
• 22:40
  Speaker 10: Well, there could be any number of reasons that we
• 22:43
  Speaker 10: have to get into the mind of the perp we
• 22:45
  Speaker 10: have to get into and I say his and I
• 22:47
  Speaker 10: agree with you, and I don't think it was multiple people.
• 22:50
  Speaker 10: I think it was one. We have to get in
• 22:52
  Speaker 10: their mind. Why are they doing what they're doing? Why
• 22:54
  Speaker 10: did they do this? I don't know, Nancy, because there's
• 22:57
  Speaker 10: so many reasons that it could have been. It could
• 23:01
  Speaker 10: be that they're jealous of her, they want the jewelry.
• 23:05
  Speaker 10: I can't believe she's doing so well. I hate it.
• 23:07
  Speaker 10: She did something to me, she did something to my family.
• 23:11
  Speaker 10: There are so many reasons, and we have to know
• 23:13
  Speaker 10: more before I can even continue to speculate. It's just
• 23:18
  Speaker 10: too much at this point.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: Nancy, is that Karen started jompaning Karen.
• 23:21
  Speaker 5: No, it's doctor pray. So the other thing is when
• 23:25
  Speaker 5: we examined that body, when we removed that body from
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: the crime, saying, I have actually seen cases where the
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: perpetrator left a perfectly preserved footprint under the body, because
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: they'll dump the body and they'll roll it over and
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: they will just cover up their own footprint. So we
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: need to search that scene and everything around it as well.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a really really good point. That's a really
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: good point because he's already left the murder weapon.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: What was it? Was it a hammer in cole Parton.
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: That's right, he left the hammer, which is a thirteen
• 23:54
  Speaker 6: inch body shop hammer. They found that underneath that body,
• 23:59
  Speaker 6: the hammer was incribed with a name and initials, and
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: so clearly someone wasn't thinking that through.
• 24:05
  Speaker 10: They left not only.
• 24:06
  Speaker 6: The weapon, but the weapon has a name inscribed on it.
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: What's the name and initial place.
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: Lloyd and then the letter L Lloyd.
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: L l lyd capital L got it Lloyd L. You
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: know about the jewelry When I was thinking about that,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Jason Jensen, private investigator. For instance, my grandmother Lucy, who
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: helped raise me, gave me her engagement ring before she
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: passed away, and it's a very it's a diamond and
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: it's been reset in like a Victorian What do you
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: call that diamond shape? Marquis shape thing? Anyway, it's unique
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: if somebody's small, but it's unique if my body couldn't
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: be identified, and I hope that never happens. If someone
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: saw that engagement ring, they could identify it. So that
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: is why very often clothing or jewelry found on an
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: unidentified victim will be released and disseminated.
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: Correct. The whole point is hopefully the information will get
• 25:12
  Speaker 8: out to the right individual and the public that's familiar
• 25:15
  Speaker 8: with the tattoo, the jewelry, warned by the victim the clothing,
• 25:20
  Speaker 8: and be able to come forward and say, hey, I
• 25:23
  Speaker 8: think you're describing this person a friend of mine or
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: a family member.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle dupre joining me forensic pathologist, medical examiner, former
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: detective A. Dmichelle MD dot com. Doctor Dupree, have you
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: ever worked with a face reconstructionist on a victim that
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: nobody could identify?
• 25:42
  Speaker 5: Yes, I have Nancy, and it's fascinating.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: I have two.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: And it was really critical improving a Jane Doe murder
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: for me because guess what, doctor Dupree, the journey really
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: fell out as they should have when I put her
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: the victim's reconstructive sketch done by one of these artists
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: up beside the defendant's girlfriend that he tried to strangle.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: They look like twins, no relation, and it was I mean,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: even to just a lawyer like myself, I could see
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: the connection between those two women.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: They look so much alike. How does that happen?
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: How do you when you've got a body that's starting
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: to decompose. How do you make a facial reconstruction sketch?
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: Well, you can do the sketch, or you could do
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: actually a likeness where you take the skull and then
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: recreate the skull or the face of that person out
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: of clay, and that is also very effective. The purpose
• 26:35
  Speaker 5: is not to make it identical to the victim, but
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: to trigger someone's mind and oh gosh, that looks like
• 26:41
  Speaker 5: so and so, and to generate leads from that.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Has anybody today told you that you're amazing, doctor Duprey,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: because they shouldn't. You're just every time you can say anything,
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: I have to kind of digest it. I'm looking at
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the girl with the scorpion tattoos face sketch, and she's
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: got the gold.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Nachel says, it's a really good sketch.
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: By the way, So you can't find out who did
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: it until you find out who she is.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: Guys, take a listen to this.
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: She was unidentified until recently. Investigators in the Staten Island
• 27:18
  Speaker 12: DA's office used familial DNA and public DNA databases to
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: identify her. We sat down exclusively with the Staten Island
• 27:26
  Speaker 12: DA's office today to discuss the case and their mission
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: to still find her killer. The name engraved on the hammer,
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: Lloyd l has not given them any leads up to
• 27:35
  Speaker 12: this point, but they say they're not giving up.
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: And the men and women who work in my office,
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: to prosecutors and investigators, don't give up, and they fight
• 27:43
  Speaker 9: every day to bring justice to the victims of crime.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: You were just hearing our friends at ABC, but now
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: take a listen to the investigator, the criminal investigator, David Nielsen.
• 27:54
  Speaker 11: In twenty nineteen, d mcvah made a decision to start
• 27:58
  Speaker 11: the path of geneology research. The Richmond County District Attorney's
• 28:02
  Speaker 11: Office collectively worked with the FBI, the NYPD, the Medical
• 28:08
  Speaker 11: Examiner's Office, and what from forensics law.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Joining me right now is an extremely talented geneticist.
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: It's Sharah Lapointe.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: She's known as the gene Hunter and you can find
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: her at the gene hunter dot com. And I say gene,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I mean gne the gene hunter who has done amazing work.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Cheryl LaPoint thank you so much for.
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: Being with us.
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: Explain what they're saying in terms we can understand.
• 28:47
  Speaker 13: So what they're saying is, you know, defite all the
• 28:51
  Speaker 13: work that was done on this case before forensic genetic
• 28:55
  Speaker 13: genealogy is what was actually able to identify her.
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: And.
• 29:02
  Speaker 13: The DNA that they retrieved from her body was used
• 29:08
  Speaker 13: to actually pull a profile, even though it was almost
• 29:13
  Speaker 13: thirty years prior that they had retrieved that DNA, and
• 29:17
  Speaker 13: they were able to make a profile that was suitable
• 29:21
  Speaker 13: to be used in genetic genealogy, and that profile is
• 29:28
  Speaker 13: put into these websites that are that allow law enforcement
• 29:34
  Speaker 13: to use family treat DNA or JED match, and you
• 29:38
  Speaker 13: will find DNA matches relatives of the person you're looking for,
• 29:45
  Speaker 13: and we find a recent common ancestor amongst all these
• 29:50
  Speaker 13: DNA matches, and we build reverse family trees, so we
• 29:54
  Speaker 13: may be going back to a second or third grade
• 29:58
  Speaker 13: grandparent couple and building down to the time of that
• 30:04
  Speaker 13: person's age and place to figure out who the person
• 30:08
  Speaker 13: might be.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand with me, is a so called
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Jane Hunter Sharah Lapointe. Sharah, you you get the unidentified
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: victims DNA, then can you isolate the mom and dad
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: or you just build out what do you mean, you
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: build out a family tree?
• 30:29
  Speaker 13: Okay, so when we get the DNA, we won't necessarily
• 30:33
  Speaker 13: know who the mother and dad. Is what we will
• 30:36
  Speaker 13: know is people who are DNA matches to this person.
• 30:42
  Speaker 13: So if you were a DNA match to this person
• 30:47
  Speaker 13: and I was a DNA match to this person, it's
• 30:50
  Speaker 13: my job to figure out how you and I may
• 30:54
  Speaker 13: connect and we may be second cousins and share a
• 30:59
  Speaker 13: set of grains grandparents. So that's the point where I
• 31:04
  Speaker 13: would start the tree from that couple, and then I
• 31:08
  Speaker 13: would look at their children and who they married and
• 31:13
  Speaker 13: tried to incorporate as many of these DNA matches that
• 31:17
  Speaker 13: come up to build this family tree.
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, now I'm getting it.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: Guys, I want you to take a listen not only
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: to the criminal investigator David Nilsen, but also to our
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: friends at NBC.
• 31:33
  Speaker 11: As a result of genealogy research combined with dedicated investing
• 31:37
  Speaker 11: anti work, Christine Mlusko was identified in April of twenty
• 31:42
  Speaker 11: twenty one as our HONEYCRI.
• 31:45
  Speaker 14: A woman found dead on Staten Island has now been identified.
• 31:49
  Speaker 14: Investigators say Christine Velusko was hit with a hammer more
• 31:52
  Speaker 14: than a dozen times and then set on fire. Her
• 31:55
  Speaker 14: body was found in a vacant lot in the Ocean
• 31:58
  Speaker 14: Breeze area. She had this distinctive scorpion tattoo, but authorities
• 32:02
  Speaker 14: were not able to positively id her until they could
• 32:05
  Speaker 14: use her DNA to trace her genealogy. Police have since
• 32:10
  Speaker 14: located and interviewed Belusko's brother, and they also learned she
• 32:13
  Speaker 14: had a young daughter named Krista Nicole. That daughter would
• 32:17
  Speaker 14: be around thirty four years old now, and police are
• 32:19
  Speaker 14: working to find her.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace back to a Crime online
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: dot Com investigative reporter Nicole Parton, So Christine Mlusko did
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: not move to Florida.
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: That's correct, she did not, even though that's what she
• 32:46
  Speaker 6: had told her family. She did not make it to Florida.
• 32:50
  Speaker 6: Something clearly horrible happened between her leaving, which was in July,
• 32:56
  Speaker 6: and then her body is found in set Timber, So
• 33:01
  Speaker 6: something really bad happened just between those couple of months.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: So all this time the family is thinking, Wow, we
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: hurt her so badly by not telling her she was adopted,
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: that she's now gone years without speaking to us. She's
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: started a whole new life without us. So they spend
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Karen Stark, a psychologist. They spend all these years devastated
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: that they ran her out of their lives when in
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: fact she's the girl they read about with the scorpion tattoo.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: Exactly, Nancy. If you consider, just think about it, that
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: one of the twins gets terrible news, goes away, plans
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: to come back again, and then never returns. As a parent,
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: it's devastating because you keep thinking I'm going to hear
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: from this person. You will have to assume that your
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: child is still alive and that they don't want to
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: be in touch with you. That's a killer.
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: It's so painful to think that they lived thinking they
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: had run her away when all the time she was
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: the girl that they had read about in the newspapers.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Now take a listen to the elected district Attorney, Michael
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: McMahon and our friends at ABC.
• 34:21
  Speaker 15: This is now the time that we ask the public
• 34:24
  Speaker 15: for its help. We have pretty much run down all
• 34:27
  Speaker 15: the leads we can and trying to locate individuals who
• 34:31
  Speaker 15: would know Kristen to call and any of the leads
• 34:34
  Speaker 15: that may help us in solving the underlying crime.
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: The daughter would be in her thirties.
• 34:40
  Speaker 16: Now, if you have any information, you are asked to
• 34:42
  Speaker 16: call the police.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Wow, Nicole Parton, what about the tattoo? Itself. When did
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: that happen? And if anything, can that tell us.
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: We don't know when the tattoo happened. What we do
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: know is that her family didn't know about the tattoos.
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: So when they're hearing this in the news for all
• 35:00
  Speaker 6: all of these years, the girl with a scorpion tattoo,
• 35:03
  Speaker 6: they had no idea that she had the scorpion tattoo
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: on her right buttock area, So they were never imagining
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: that it was their daughter, their sister.
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: No one knew about it.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: So now we know that she was murdered. But we're
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: forgetting someone take a listen to our cut fifteen.
• 35:22
  Speaker 11: Christine's last known address was in Clifton, New Jersey. She
• 35:27
  Speaker 11: lived there until late July. She was a longtime resident
• 35:31
  Speaker 11: of New Jersey, and investigators know that she was staying
• 35:35
  Speaker 11: in a Mountinairy lodge near Mount Pocono in the weeks
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: before her death. In June of twenty twenty one, Christine's
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: brother was interviewed and was informed of his sister's death.
• 35:48
  Speaker 11: During the interview, we were made aware that Christine had
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: a daughter who was born on August first of nineteen
• 35:55
  Speaker 11: eighty nine.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: The birth name of that.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Child was Kristin Nicole So Nicole Parton joining us from
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: crimeonline dot com. We're not looking only for the mother's killer,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: for Christine Belusko's killer, we're looking for her little girl.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: What happened to her? What do we know about that?
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Absolutely? And that's the thing. She was two years old
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: at the time of her mother's death and disappearance. She
• 36:25
  Speaker 6: was last seen about a week prior to this by
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: a friend of her mother's at this mount Airy lodge
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: in the Poconos. So we know that someone saw the
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: little girl about a week before this crime took place,
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: but she has not been seen or heard from since.
• 36:43
  Speaker 6: There was no sign of her at the crime scene.
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: It's as if she vanished into thin air.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Cheryl Lapointe joining us, author of the Jeane Hunter, and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: you can find her at the Jeenehunter dot com. Cheryl,
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: What if anything can DNA do to find Christine's daughter?
• 37:03
  Speaker 13: Krista So Nancy that that's a very difficult situation because
• 37:08
  Speaker 13: unless the daughter's DNA is in one of these systems
• 37:15
  Speaker 13: or one of her children, if she has a child,
• 37:20
  Speaker 13: it would be very very hard for DNA to identify her.
• 37:24
  Speaker 13: I mean, she would either have to have been put
• 37:26
  Speaker 13: in CODIS for some reason, or submitted her DNA to
• 37:31
  Speaker 13: one of the direct to consumer DNA site just for
• 37:35
  Speaker 13: genealogy purposes.
• 37:37
  Speaker 6: You know, often people who.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Are adopted do that.
• 37:40
  Speaker 13: If she, if she knows she was adopted, then possibly
• 37:44
  Speaker 13: she would do that. But if if that's not the case,
• 37:48
  Speaker 13: it would be very, very difficult to identify her.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Just trying to take this all in, the scenario has
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: changed drastically, Darryl Cohen. We're not just looking for a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: killer of brutal killer, but we're looking for the baby.
• 38:04
  Speaker 10: It's unbelievable, Nancy. It is possible, as I think through this,
• 38:08
  Speaker 10: that whoever murdered the mother may have taken the baby,
• 38:14
  Speaker 10: may have made sure that that now thirty two years
• 38:18
  Speaker 10: older baby is in their custody, not custodial, but custody.
• 38:26
  Speaker 10: May have done that, and looking for that baby may
• 38:29
  Speaker 10: be impossible. Wow, may absolutely be impossible.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, Jason Gisons joining me, private investigator, what do you
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: do to find the baby?
• 38:37
  Speaker 8: You know there's some clues here that you could follow
• 38:41
  Speaker 8: to possibly find this baby, because now you know we're
• 38:45
  Speaker 8: talking to an adult female. At one point, we know
• 38:49
  Speaker 8: that law enforcement release a composite, you know, with age progression,
• 38:55
  Speaker 8: that's a possibility. The others are We know from our
• 38:59
  Speaker 8: experi speriences in hunting cases and you know killers and
• 39:04
  Speaker 8: cold cases that these kind of scenarios where the victim
• 39:09
  Speaker 8: is beaten the way that she was, that it may
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: be domestic violence, you know, in a familial setting where
• 39:17
  Speaker 8: maybe there was a custody to speak through over the child.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't heard anything about who the father is.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: You're absolutely right on Nicole parn Do we have any
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: idea who the biodad was this child?
• 39:30
  Speaker 10: We don't.
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: And when her when Christine's brother was questioned and he's
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: the one who told authorities that she had a daughter,
• 39:38
  Speaker 6: he said he too did not have a clue who
• 39:41
  Speaker 6: the father was.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, guys, take a listen to Maurice Dubois, our
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  Speaker 1: friend at CBS.
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  Speaker 16: Investigators breathing new life into a cold case on Staten Island. Today,
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  Speaker 16: detextas investigating the brutal murder of a woman released her identity.
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  Speaker 16: They say she was Christine Bulusko of Marris County, New Jersey.
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  Speaker 16: She was brutally beaten, strangled, and burned in the woods
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  Speaker 16: on Seaview avenue. Investigators had been unable to uncover her
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  Speaker 16: identity all these years until now using forensic genealogy. Now
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  Speaker 16: they say they want to track her down, track her
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  Speaker 16: down her daughter, who was two years old at the
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  Speaker 16: time of Belasco's death.
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  Speaker 1: Where is the baby now a grown woman, if she survived.
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  Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about Krista
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  Speaker 1: Nicole Belusko, age two at the time her mother was
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  Speaker 1: brutally murdered, please dial the tip line seven one eight
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  Speaker 1: five five six seven zero eight five repeat seven one
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  Speaker 1: eight five five six seven zero eight five.
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  Speaker 3: We wait as just as un falls. Goodbye, friend,