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Talks to Andrew Batty, Jon Arnold & Luke Sims-Jenkins about their choice of The Invisible Enemy (4/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a blunt. Pen knife for doing quicker.
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Welcome back to the Hamster with a blunt pen knife commentary on
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the invisible enemy. And I managed to say all the
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right words in the right order, which I'm very impressed myself
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about. Though we are on episode 4 of
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this. Engrossing, intoxicating,
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bollock filled story. Yeah.
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How are we feeling guys? Episode 4 What's going to
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happen? I mean, the only thing we
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haven't seen is a load of balls on a load of sludge sort of
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vibrating about. I wonder if that will happen in
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this episode. Fingers crossed.
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Notice everyone sort of pause momentarily when they said
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hamster intro in their episodes. Did everyone have book club in
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their heads? Yes.
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Just for a second. Yeah.
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And wow, Yeah, it's our natural ground.
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But unfortunately you guys are mutate.
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You've like a virus. You've mutated across to the
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other side. Now we've swarmed.
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Contact has been made. That's right.
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Turns out Joe, we know the host of Hamster with a blunt pen
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knife and that. Prick.
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Talking of balls. Yeah.
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I'll be ready to get stuck into the balls of Episode 4.
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Balls, Steve. Right 321.
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This episode is only 21 minutes long, did you notice?
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Yeah, well the last one was only 23 and they could have couldn't
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be longer. You can drag the running.
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Terrance would never have had this.
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He would have written a scene of padding just to get it to the
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right length. You know what I'm saying?
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It out at the time. How big is the cliffhanger the
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sex segment going to be? Sometimes they'll have a long
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recap segment because that's going to fill time.
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As long as we see that enormous crustacean growing again.
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Oh yeah, yeah, here we go. Don't you love the way he's
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pushed around the tight and base on a trolley?
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He's just sort of waving his arms about.
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Just join them. Now, oh boy.
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You're like the nucleus is in the room with us, John, when you
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do that. Yeah.
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Or was it John or Luke? I could never tell it's.
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Me, yeah. Between the two of you, can you
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just do lots of quotes in this episode please?
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They have to be from this storm, yeah.
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Here he comes. He's.
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Sort of quite a lovely mother of Pearl eye though, hasn't he?
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Lovely. Yeah, you look nice on the
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necklace, you know. Imagine Imagine the.
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Proper porn soundtrack. Come on, imagine the tomb of.
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The Cyberman music coming out right here.
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Boom boom, boom boom. Do you guys buy your prawns like
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this sort of uncooked and cook them or do you buy ready cooked
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prawns? I've.
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Got to say they haven't been moving if I've ever had.
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I like. I think you can buy drink.
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And put it in the freezer. Oh.
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Fair and you sort of Mary Rose sauce people.
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I don't. I don't think it looks that bad
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until it starts moving like in photographs.
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It looks all right, I think. Yeah, well, the big cut out
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they've got behind the sofa looks great.
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It's it's good on the target where they've just reddened it
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up as well. Look at it now look at.
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It. It looks a bit like a dolphin.
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It looks a bit like a. Dolphin.
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They've done those hand things where the bottom hands are
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attached to the. Top It's the Alpha Centauri
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effect. Saffron holding his holding the
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prawns arm up for him. So it's.
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Keeping Oh God, it's. I think we can charitably call
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that ambitious. Charitably, yes.
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But you'd think like they'd have they'd have seen this costume
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and be like, oh, we we can't show this in a wide shot.
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We've just got we've got to cut around this.
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It can't really move. But no, they've they've fully
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gone for it and. You've got, you've got to laugh
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at the fact as well that you've got actors of the calibre and
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Michael Sheared, Frederick Yeager and Tom Baker in that
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room with that prop. Ring Prawn.
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I. Don't know how long did it take
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to shoot this because they must be pissing themselves all night
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surely? Although I've got to say, you
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know, as John Leeson non canine performances go, the swarm is a
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better performance than Doug Een from That's right, power of
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crow. Look at Leela.
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Oh icon. No sound.
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Is wearing that makeup Leela's just like, oh, what's this?
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Don't mind if I do. Suddenly I love green garbage
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bags. She's going to creak like
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nothing else, isn't she? In that.
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Costume. I love her canine.
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It's like totally her her her friend now.
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You can literally see the string between the arms and the legs
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you. Can see why Canine leaves with
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Leela though, because he befriends her first.
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This is basically race to get a pregnant woman to actually do a
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pregnant thing to hospital, isn't it?
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Yeah, properly and not to do it in the car will not make a mess.
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So hang on, you know those eggs we say later in that in on the
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Titan base and they all coming out of that prune.
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Yeah. Oh, gross.
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Prawn eggs. Oh no, how miserable.
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Thank God we don't see them coming out, do we?
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No, it's across warm caviar I. Can't believe I'm going to say
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this, but where do prawn eggs come from?
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Like. Well, fish do have eggs,
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obviously. As Luke said, caviar exists.
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Yeah, but what Oracle? That's what I mean.
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Listen, what do they do? Oh, an old depositor.
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Is it buck or something? It's an egg.
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I'm pleased we cut away though. I don't want to see him
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depositing the eggs. Oh no, wait.
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Does that mean the nucleus of the swarm is a woman?
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Look at Marius just itching around the background there.
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It depends how it reproduces it. Could it could be asexual
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reproduction? I think we've given this more
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for than Bob and Dave already. Yeah, they've already moved on
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to the next idea. OK, Noise and Tardis already.
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What's Maria's doing? I've got to say, I do love Leila
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in that costume. The The Thomas doors again.
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Oh. Yeah, it's in right through
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them, through any way. It's just.
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A bit careless, I think. They normally cut around.
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That so for the so for the Blu-ray, do they have that shot
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but put the actual hospital on on the screen there or not?
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Because I haven't watched a special edition of this.
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I can't remember either. No I don't usually was a special
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edition because the effects are terrible.
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SK9. Did he shoot him in the, in the
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in the? In the man boobs.
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Chest. Yeah.
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Here we go. Enough a close up on the
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hospital asteroid. It's even got a little belt
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there that the spaceships can land on.
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That's right, it's a bum bag. Yeah, although just sort of just
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cut holes out of the rock. Look, that's the windows,
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that's. It.
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It's pretty cool. Like you can imagine a future
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society doing that. And it's got a nice sort of the
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narrative's got a nice circular movement because then we go back
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to Titan, right? That's why they want to tighten.
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The first place I've been to Bolanski, yes.
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It's something about Kachanski. Yes.
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The service droids. It's a shame that he's come back
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into our own costume, isn't it? Yeah.
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Anyway, that's the character I've just done a figure of yet.
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Come on, she's cleaned the makeup off as well.
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John, did you just say it's a shame she's gone back into that
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costume? Oh wow.
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It was. Oh.
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Come on, come on. That that that PVC as well PVC.
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For a flag for emancipation over there.
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Come on, let's get to the base. Now for our riveting conclusion.
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It is very funny, though, isn't it?
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The way that Leela's like, got to blow it up and Tom Baker's
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like, no, outrageous. We're not going to do that.
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And. Then in the end it just blows it
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up anyway. Don't they worked out that
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Leela's the cure? Yeah.
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Is that what happened? Yeah.
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OK. Is that clever?
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I quite like it. I mean I.
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Guess I like. It from the beginning, isn't it?
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Projecting her, yeah. It'd be nice if it wasn't that,
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oh, she's so savage and simple that like, it could have been
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like, oh, she's so sophisticated and you know.
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In advance I can absolutely absolutely say that, but on the
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other hand I still get to see her stab people in the action
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ladies, so they do at least try to give her something cool to
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do, even though you you are right.
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You know those sort of hairy? Problems that are.
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Coming out of the Nucleus's mouth and all of that, do you
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think they realized the costume was so terrible that they're
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just stuck whatever they could on it?
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They try and disguise it a bit. You know how if you go to like
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an Asian food St. vendor and you've got those rolls and it
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looks like it has like this, it's see through so you can see
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everything that's perfectly like tucked away in the in the kind
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of long roll. I don't know what they call.
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It's a it's kind of like food paper thing that they people
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might know what I'm talking about.
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That's what the prawn looks like.
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It looks like they've wrapped them up in lots of that stuff.
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Oh. That's great.
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I'm like it could be very useful.
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Scampi, just batter it and I'll beat it.
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I don't care. I can't see it there.
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What the nucleus? Yeah.
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You know what? You'd have a bit of caviar as
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well because he's. He's bursting, isn't he?
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I bet that claw. I bet that's delicious.
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Okay, that's a bit of fun. What do you think would be the
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best way to cook the nucleus of this form?
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I think cook it like a lobster. Yeah, Oh, what a live.
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Yeah, yeah, break your heart boiling water and.
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Then while it's dancing, you can just play rock lobster over the
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top of it. Dang Dang Dang Dang.
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I could have really. I was thinking more like sort of
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sauteed in a garlic butter or something.
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Like that, you know, it looks more like a yabby.
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Oh my God. Don't stop.
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Showing you. Know people come away from this
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with many ways to cook prawns. I like the medical gloves,
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they're just like rando gloves. You'd use that like some fast
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food, John something, rather than like surgical gloves.
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Well, you're going to need that in preparing a prune.
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You know you don't want to get contaminated.
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No, you don't want salmonella as well as nucleus poisonous.
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Spent most of this bloody story sitting around cross legged,
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have you noticed? See, I love splashing.
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Meditating on this. Love it, it is so.
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Good. I do love that bit of medical
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equipment that's been there because they're on this quite a
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lot of the story and it it, it does look like a like a thing
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that does something. It's it's Barry Newbury's a
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designer, isn't he? I think.
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I think that makes sense of the Titan Basin because he did a lot
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of that in heart last time, didn't he?
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Of like effective backdrops and things.
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I love that, you know, even that one in Babylon 5, you know, the
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corridor that goes upwards, You know the one I'm talking.
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About Oh yeah, Oh yes. Even as a kid I knew that Dalek
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door in the Daleks when Barbara's going through the
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corridors, I knew that corridor would the other way was just
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like a painting or whatever. But I liked what they were going
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for, so I was like. See, this is where I kind of go
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with the hearts. I don't necessarily want them
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tarted up. I want, I don't want to, I don't
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want to be able to see it's a painted backdrop.
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Yeah. Leave it a bit.
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Sort of Misty, interestingly in the war games in colour, you
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know, the scenes in the barn with those colourised backdrops,
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I could see so badly how fake they were when it was black and.
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White it. Was almost, you know, you just
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almost couldn't tell. Yeah, they're going to carry
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him. The thing with the with the
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special effects, when they replace like quite good model
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work with shit cheap CGI, it's like the budget to do this so
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it's going to look amazing so why bother?
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I don't think you can have bad model work, but I'll take bad
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model work over bad CGI. Anything I can get if they're
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doing like laser beams and stuff?
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Yeah, but that's really look, I watch Invasion of Time.
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The Vardan's look way better in the new version.
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Don't like? Well, I can't.
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Math shock, like the lasers are much better in that.
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But yeah, the models I don't, I don't really get whether they do
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that. So I love.
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That Tom sells his excitement there like like he's about to
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leave and he's to go to the Mary's.
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Hey, can I, can I borrow your awesome freaking dog, please?
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Why? Because he's an awesome dog.
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No, I will. Look.
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He's popping now. The nucleus inside that reactor.
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Oh dear. Oh, there they are.
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Bloody yeah. Disgusting how?
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Many. Has he given birth to?
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Yeah, have they? All inside that little prawn.
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Are they? All friends like it's beautiful.
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The prawn is dimensionally transcendental, or she's.
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So bizarre. Or they just squeeze up, really.
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Small. Well, it's a bit like kill the
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moon. You know when the moon creature
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was born and then birthed another creature that was bigger
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than itself to replace the moon. You know, wicked.
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It's wacky science. Maybe it was.
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Inflatable. Oh, maybe that exit on the wall
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was a clue for what was coming later.
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Oh, shadowing. There was lots of.
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Exiting going on a minute ago, wouldn't it?
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That's kind of mess with Leela, who's only just starting to
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learn how to read, and now she's in the year 5000.
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It's like exit. What is this?
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The one that starts about doing her name on the blackboard, and
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I miss that. Yeah, yeah.
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Yeah, that's very. Cute.
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OK, that's it. Shooting in the nuts.
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Really. They're.
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I mean. They've kind.
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Of got to blow up the base, right?
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Because what are they going to do with all these?
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Amazing death acting and anyone that.
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Suggests we have a load of fish omelettes.
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Dude, I love that. As he falls towards the end, he
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realizes like, oh, if I keep my legs like this, canine can't get
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past me, so I'll just tuck them in.
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Like a. Nice fall acting there.
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I love it. I think that's.
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A very thoughtful demise, actually, Yeah.
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Exactly. Hey, respect the dark.
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There's a lot of that going on in State of Decay.
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Everyone that K9 shoots sort of rolls out of his way.
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Those eggs. It's a.
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Bit like the Green Death, isn't it?
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Yeah. I mean, we sell this sort of pea
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and ham soup at work. It looks a bit like that,
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actually. You know, put some caviar on the
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top and it'll. Yeah.
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Just put Gourmet on the label. People will buy it.
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Yeah. Damage.
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Cream Gourmet. Invisible enemy Seriousness.
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Is this a disappointing episode 4 or is it just because it's
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it's canal still throwing weird stuff at us I think.
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It is so batshit like the rest of the story.
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Like, you can't really get bored with that, no.
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Look, it's an. Awesome explosion and the dog
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joins the crew. It's very.
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Much. Robert Holmes edited Part 4.
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It's just the end of something blowing up.
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But. Like at least.
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It's kind of so frantic. Isn't it?
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It's so frantic going from bloody scene to scene.
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Go OK now and take out my. Shooting in.
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A deck. It's a big enough target.
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This isn't it, let's face it. That's right.
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Oh, I do love that set. Look, I can see the lighting
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grid. Oh.
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Yeah, they're using it as part of the set, aren't they?
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Again, that's why they're in Warriors Gate.
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It's the. Discontinuity guide says that's
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a mistake, that you can do that, but I like to read into it the
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same way you guys do. It's like it's just part of the
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inner workings of this place people work at, yeah.
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And it's kind of barrier you do was quite crazy, exactly the
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same. Thing in Warriors gate, don't I?
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Yeah, and it works just as well there.
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So it's the nucleus beneath it now, by the eggs or something.
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Where's the nucleus now? It's.
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Still in the tub, isn't it I think.
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Or or it. We should say it's giving birth,
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so it's got to have is he going to?
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Throw the doctor in there to be eaten by all the babies that
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come out the eggs. No.
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Oh, he was. He's not now.
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Oh. That's all right then, what a
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he. Kicked canine in the ass and
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then canine was just like, now I'm not having that.
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I mean just. Just imagine that scene for a
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second, he's thrown in that sludge and then they all start
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hatching and then eat him alive. Oh God, grim.
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Oh. Come back, Doctor, we need.
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You It's fortunate that we've got this enormous cylinder that
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says oxygen in huge letters. That might come in handy, you
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know, does this set feel bigger? It feels massive.
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Now it is handy as a convenient term of hexochromatic gas,
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right? That's right.
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Did I set it up in Episode 1? I don't think I did, actually,
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no. Did Lena?
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Just stab him in the neck. Yes.
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Yeah. Jesus Christ.
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It's a. I'm pretty sure Leila's murdered
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three people in this story. I'm going to, I'm going to ask
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Luke and John like, so, you know, like if you fancy trying
18:14
it with Leila. Yeah.
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There's two ways it could go. One is you're going to I
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imagine. It's been going to be like 2 on
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sex. You're going to be dead.
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Straight away, well, I'd. Be the perfect gentleman,
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anyway. Oh yeah.
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You've got to be. Yourself, don't be with Leila.
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Leila, you've got the. Treatment.
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Get your gold rally done. Oh, I saw she was bought in a in
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a ceiling. Lots of.
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Companions scream and run away. You've got a companion here
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that's just going to turn around and get a knife.
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You just think. Address very pretty, you know.
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I would have left the. Doctor as well.
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She's clicking around if you. Go hanging out with.
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Peter Davison. Yeah, come on in, let's blow it
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up. We've had our fun.
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But it's very Doctor Who now. We can't blow it up.
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We've got to try all the possible ways 1st and then you
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do Leila's idea the very. Funny thing about it is the
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explosion initially looks a bit lame and then all of a sudden it
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goes out of nowhere. Yeah, there was this other
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thing. The BBC special Best guys were
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very enthusiastic with the bangs.
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Oh. He's still in there.
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Look the problem. Well, canine's on a lead.
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Let me out do. You feel like dancing.
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I have disco fever. That's the first time I turned
19:42
around and actually seen it's Luke doing that.
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Boy, it's a bit of a mystery to me, Tom's.
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Literally talking to us now, isn't he?
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Oh no, he's talking to the swarm.
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I mean, he's still gyrating a lot.
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He's given birth to all those eggs.
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He must be knackered, staying alive.
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Oh, this is great. He takes off and Lisa's.
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There he goes. Oh shit.
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I better go back for her. Bit of a delayed reaction a.
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Tiny bit of a like a like that scene in Wild Blue Yonder as
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well. That's.
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But that's a Williams moment, right?
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That wouldn't be a hinge clip. I don't think they finished.
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Me to fit in like a whole spin off season in that little bit
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where the Titus dematerialized. Don't give them.
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Ideas. Is that when there is Hughes
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fits in? Yeah, and we will Swarm
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adventures Leela and the Swarm on Titan base.
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Look, what's this? Boom, boom, boom.
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Now that looks lame, but they wait for the second explosion.
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That's great. Hang on.
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Is that bang big enough for you, Brigadier?
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Now it looks, now it. Looks like it's bang in history.
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That's. Not going I would have thought
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those eggs were that flammable. Yeah, so forgive.
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Me, Has the doctor just committed genes?
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The swarm was asking for it. Then you should be feeling very
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happy, yes. No, he hasn't, because we've had
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the return of the swarm. Yes, I.
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Mean. Well, that's a nice.
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Tardis shot this little pan out I.
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Do love the fact they're quite conscious of the that explosion
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thing now because they, you know, it's legal, suggested
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blowing it up. Yes.
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It's it's normally happening with Doctor Who.
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Couldn't they have gone back though and just picked up all
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the calamari that's all over tight and based.
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Now they can be like, oh, I love it, Fortune.
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Have they brought? All the plants with.
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Them. Oh, there's more.
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Yeah, they have Lila. 'S showing how progressive she
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is by going sorry, she he it, I'm sorry.
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And Ken was like, it's OK. See, I love Leela's.
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Like, come on, let's get the dog in.
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Let's have the dog. I think you're right, Andrew.
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I think they looked around and went, you know what, We decided
22:17
it was a bit dull here. We bought all the plants from
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the Titan base. Look, I.
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Know we're on a strict schedule, everybody, but now you're all
22:24
going to rewrite your scripts because this dog's coming with
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us I mean. That last joke is something else
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in there. I hope he's dreamed.
22:34
Nothing. Shit.
22:38
You do have that joke in Rebus. I don't.
22:39
You don't stop at all corners, K9.
22:44
And that's Bob Holmes as well, yeah.
22:47
Jager is one of the coolest names there is, isn't it?
22:50
Well. That sounds like a.
22:51
Friggin jet fighter pilot. That was a glorious 4 episodes
22:56
there where we talked balls, prawns, eggs, every rude thing
23:03
you can think of. Unfortunately, now you've got
23:05
the unenviable task of thinking up three things each to
23:09
recommend The Invisible Enemy to the hamster audience.
23:13
I'll tell you what, let's start with Luke, and then John, and
23:19
then Andrew and then me, and we'll go round in a circle three
23:22
times. Luke.
23:24
Oh sweet. What I it's, it's super
23:27
fast-paced. Like I know a lot of criticisms
23:30
people can aim at Doctor Who is like, oh, it's a bit slow.
23:33
It's it's all that kind of stuff.
23:34
This is a fast-paced story. I can easily see a version of
23:39
this like those elements of this in a new series show, you know,
23:43
there's some logic leaping and all that kind of stuff.
23:46
Stuff doesn't get time to breathe sometimes.
23:48
Just like a new serious story. I just, but it's so much fun
23:51
that yeah, I just love the pace of this.
23:53
You'd never get, never get bored.
23:55
There's always something going on and it doesn't forget the
23:59
companion. Yeah, I like it.
24:01
The speed of it, it's good. John, I'm going to.
24:04
Be totally intellectual and I'm going to delight Miss Simon
24:08
Hart. And just to say it's canine.
24:10
You have to say it for this story.
24:12
Come on, it's canine. Absolutely.
24:14
It's a great idea. And leader at the end being that
24:17
kind of childlike presence going, can we have a dog?
24:19
Can we have a dog? You know, kids go take the dog,
24:22
take the dog. It's just that one little thing.
24:26
It is Doctor Who's for I think more of a family audience rather
24:30
than that kind of mid teed audience again.
24:34
So it's yeah, it's just like the kind of wonderful canine.
24:39
And because, you know, I have my canine toy, a talking canine
24:42
with a little disc in the bottom.
24:44
Loved it. So yeah.
24:46
Don't want that. No one's going to argue with
24:48
that one. I don't think that.
24:50
Only people would chose. Because you've chosen that one,
24:53
Andrew. Well, I had canine in general,
24:57
but I also have specifically canine shooting a guy in the
25:01
deck, an iconic an iconic Doctor Who moment and you know, should
25:10
be on every compilation, every clip reel let's you know, let's
25:15
make it go viral and. Unfortunately, you was looking
25:18
up Calle Lee at the time, weren't you?
25:21
I know, I know, but I can go back and relive it again.
25:25
And can I make a pump for the scenes in episode 3, but
25:32
specifically the visuals in episode 3, which sort of veer
25:36
from the ridiculous to the sublime, but more to the what's
25:40
the sublime? I think it's an ambitious idea.
25:45
And they don't decide to play it safe.
25:47
They go, what can we do that's weird?
25:49
And they do the claws of axos thing and they throw in a load
25:52
of sets, a load of CSO and weird claw things coming out of the
25:57
floor. I mean, it's it's mad, but God
26:01
bless them for having a go. And I think it's rather
26:03
wonderful, Luke. Well, you got to go, Michael
26:08
Sheared. Most specifically, my favorite
26:09
part is always this awesome action pose he does every time
26:14
he sits up in the optometrist OPS office to flip his goggles
26:17
up. And he's it's like, it's like
26:19
one of those old cigarette commercials or something like
26:23
that. You'd say magazines or something
26:25
like that. Like that kind of pose that you
26:27
know, all it needs is like the hairy chest expose or something.
26:30
And then he's got the idea. It's fucking, it's awesome.
26:33
He's great. I like how he's like this sweet
26:36
dude at the start of the episode.
26:38
Then contact has been made and he is the most ruthless infected
26:42
person there is. It's a nice contrast.
26:44
I think Michael Sheed is awesome so I I can understand why he
26:48
says this is his favorite because it looks like he's
26:50
having an absolute blast making it.
26:54
John I. Will say, I'm going to say Barry
26:57
Newberry because I think this is a store which could easily have
27:01
been quite bland with a bad designer with with those just
27:04
kind of no baby get the hexagonal, you know, side by
27:08
sets a standard thing and he works there.
27:10
Who's said the kind of the way the he's blended the rock into
27:14
into the the actual mechanics on type of base, the way he makes
27:18
it look like a working base, the way the hospital looks as if
27:22
it's actually, you know, a working hospital.
27:25
It's all a lot of and you've already said part three.
27:28
That kind of inside of the doctor's brain isn't, you know,
27:31
there's backer or budget to do all this on, but he gets you
27:34
some real wonders on it. Andrew.
27:40
Well, you don't get much queer representation in classic Doctor
27:45
Who, but here you have a smorgasbord, the gay astronauts
27:51
with their theory design. Come and join the party.
27:58
You've got an entirely male set of antagonists who are obsessed
28:06
with breeding each other. And.
28:10
They don't like women. Exactly, and you've got canine.
28:15
Oh yes, and of course, you know total camp representation in
28:21
those fabulous green costumes. Exactly.
28:24
Which looks. Like they've stepped out of
28:25
Rocky Horror or something like that.
28:28
Jesus. Where do I go from there?
28:31
I mean, OK, you don't get much breeding representation in.
28:38
So I like. The fact that, you know, the
28:40
poor prawn just wants to pop out all of his eggs in his green
28:45
sludge, you know, and populate the universe like it's a
28:48
biological imperative. Really, he's not much of A
28:50
villain. You know, he's just following
28:52
his instincts. And then evil Doctor Who and
28:55
Leela come along and blow up all of his kids.
28:57
It's really it's a it's a morality tower in in reverse.
29:04
No, I just love the Pearl. I love the Pearl.
29:07
I'm allergic, but God bless them.
29:10
Forgiven that one ago. And poor John Scott Martin, we
29:14
salute you to your duties to Doctor Who, Luke.
29:19
I, I can see Louise Joneson being maybe annoyed with with
29:24
Andrew's point before, like, oh, I'm being treated like a fool in
29:27
this episode. But you know, then she gets to
29:29
do lots of action stuff and stabbing people and hanging out
29:31
with the dog. So Louise Jameson is awesome in
29:34
this. She sells everything she needs
29:37
to. She's the first of the TARDIS
29:39
regulars to become besties with canine and she's involved in
29:44
some really great cliffhangers too.
29:45
She, you know, that first one with the gun to the back is so
29:51
it's really cool and the doctor's just like I need you to
29:55
come in to my head with me because it's like of your
29:57
natural instincts and stuff like that.
29:59
So if anyone's yeah, people treat her like she's an idiot,
30:02
but you know, people need her and stuff like that.
30:06
So yeah, I like, I love Louise Jameson and then Leo, like the
30:09
character that's. Those two, little Doctor and
30:12
Leela, so they just sort of vanish.
30:15
Well, yeah, yeah, Apart from the hair and the knife, yeah.
30:20
OK, John, I'm going. To go with that as, as we'd say,
30:25
it's a proper working future. The astronauts, as we can
30:28
clearly see they have champagne that they are getting wankered
30:32
all the way through that episode.
30:33
No wonder the nucleus is so easy to take them over.
30:36
They just get ready to fall over.
30:38
They've not. You know why, though?
30:39
Andrew's right, They know there's male fresh meat just
30:43
docking, you know, in the next shuttle, come in and join the
30:46
party. Put your can you rub the table?
30:48
What's happening? Ready for their?
30:53
Order. Andrew.
30:59
Well, having lowered the tone with my other two favorite
31:03
moments of this, I'm just going to go with the models.
31:06
I dislike the models. Oh fuck.
31:07
That was my. I'm surprised nobody got nobody
31:12
else took it, but yeah, just just lots of pretty spaceships
31:16
and spinning Tardises brains. It's good.
31:22
It's a really good showcase for those special effects.
31:25
Then I'll tell you what, I wasn't going to go for the
31:27
models because they are great. Can I just say a quick word for
31:31
Bob and Dave then as the last one, because I think they come
31:34
in for a lot of slack and they come in for a lot of slack on
31:36
this story. But boy, they keep it moving,
31:39
don't they? And, you know, Jesus, if you do
31:41
have ADHD, you'd be fine with this because it's doing
31:44
something else every two minutes.
31:45
And as a commentary experience, this was just a delight because
31:49
every 3 minutes, something absurd was happening on the
31:52
screen that we could laugh at. Yeah.
31:55
So I think people should just stop getting their knickers in A
31:58
twist about the invisible enemy, which is, you know, perhaps not
32:02
something when you're 12 years old that you want to be watching
32:06
when your mother comes in the room with your baked beans on
32:08
toast and go, oh, good God, you'll grow out of it soon.
32:13
But aged, you know, whatever we are now, Yeah.
32:17
I think it's a rather wonderful way to spend a Friday night with
32:22
your mates watching this bit. Can't be of old tats I.
32:27
Think we're staying out of trouble?
32:29
That's. Right.
32:31
Well, fellas, I mean the big question to ask really is, and
32:34
we determined this off Mike, where are we going next?
32:39
I shall ask Luke. Well, Joe brought it to my
32:44
attention that for some reason, none of you foolish ephemerals
32:47
have suggested enlightenment before.
32:50
And so we, we, we're going to do that.
32:53
It's a, it's a favorite of mine, so I'm very excited.
32:55
I, I think I chose this because I thought it'd be a good
32:58
icebreaker, something really silly fun, you know, but I
33:02
thought it was kind of good as well.
33:04
And yeah, I legit like enlightenment.
33:07
So if there's any dissenters in, in, in, in, in this quartet, but
33:11
that's. I can happily say I'm not a
33:14
dissenter. I I think enlightenment's one of
33:17
the best. Andrew's.
33:17
Keeping his powder dry right there, no.
33:19
I I just really love enlightenment.
33:21
I'm excited. You're already a winner here,
33:24
Luke, because enlightenment was the choice.
33:27
Any other any other Davidson story?
33:29
There may have been some dissension, but we got lucky.
33:31
This time. I'll just say until what we're
33:35
we're discussing a book before then, I'm sure.
33:38
But thank you for. It'll be a great and.
33:40
Thanks for the giggles tonight and until next time.
33:45
Contact. Has been made.
33:47
Contact has been lost. Contact.
33:52
Oh, what? OK, I'll cut it there.