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Healing Through Storytelling with Devon Franklin · Just Heal with Dr Jay

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Speaker 1: Welcome to jess Here with Doctor J, a production of
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Speaker 1: We are doing some amazing things over here in the
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Speaker 1: healing community where we are bringing it enlightenment. We're bringing
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Speaker 1: conversation that is really provoking change those that are on
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Speaker 1: the healing journey. And more importantly, we want to continue
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Speaker 1: to support you wherever you are in your mental health.
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Speaker 1: And remember, your mental health will determine the quality of
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Speaker 1: your life. All right. So today I am excited to
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Speaker 1: have a brother of mine. Listen. I met this brother
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Speaker 1: many years ago and we were talking about it on
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Speaker 1: a live that we did for his one man show.
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Speaker 1: But I'm excited to have him to share his new film,
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Speaker 1: Ruth and Boass. This film, I believe I had the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to watch it. I believe for you ladies, it's
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Speaker 1: gonna provide a lot of hope. So Devon had you
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Speaker 1: all in mind. But anyway, without further ado, I want
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Speaker 1: to welcome my brother, my brother and friend, filmmaker Devon Franklin.
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Speaker 1: How are you doing, brother, kid said the lady. Come
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Speaker 1: in listen, brothers, I will say, Brothers, if you have
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Speaker 1: this type of journey, I probably I will see you
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Speaker 1: at the altar. Okay. I felt incouraged. Okay, that's good.
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Speaker 1: I felt in courage on my single journey. Man, I said, listen,
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Speaker 1: I know I'm a bow ass man. I know I
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Speaker 1: got some got some things with me man that I
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Speaker 1: would would be open to share with my roof So Man,
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Speaker 1: thank you brother for joining the healing community, Man Jesse.
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Speaker 1: Here with doctor j Man. This platform and this this
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Speaker 1: space is for conversations that provide healing and conversation that
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Speaker 1: allow people to share their journey. And I think what
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Speaker 1: you did with this film is so much healing man
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Speaker 1: all over this film.
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Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 1: So my first question to you is is I ask
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Speaker 1: every guest, because my background is a therapist, how are
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Speaker 1: you feeling, just in this moment now? Feeling good? You
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Speaker 1: know what I mean? Feeling good? Man? You look good man. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I could tell. Man, I got to ask you, what
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Speaker 1: is your secret? Oh? Man? You know what?
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Speaker 2: The secret honestly is embracing the moment, right, like really
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Speaker 2: just saying okay, this is where I am, and being
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Speaker 2: okay with it, you know that inner you know, being
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Speaker 2: settled on the inside, like that is the thing that
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Speaker 2: really helps me, you know, feel better. Right, It's like, okay,
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Speaker 2: you know, I'm dealing with different things and different challenges
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Speaker 2: at work and you know, productions and stuff, and it's like.
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Speaker 1: Okay, like it's all right, this is where we are,
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Speaker 1: how we're going to move forward.
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Speaker 2: But finding being centered is what really helps me kind
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Speaker 2: of keep a baseline, not doesn't mean that every moment
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Speaker 2: is like I'm feeling great line right, the baseline of like, okay,
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Speaker 2: this is happening, all right, So all right, it's happening.
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Speaker 2: Let me figure out what my response is to it.
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Speaker 2: And that just keeps me grounded. And then also having
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Speaker 2: the right woman in my life. I mean, you know,
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Speaker 2: certainly you know my wife, I mean, my goodness, I
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Speaker 2: mean we talk about your art, right, it just is like,
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Speaker 2: no matter what I'm dealing with, knowing I have heard, man,
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Speaker 2: I'm good So what.
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Speaker 1: I hear two things. What I hear you saying, brother is,
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Speaker 1: for one, always be where your feet are planted. Amen. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think we don't realize how much that can minimize anxiety,
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Speaker 1: because anxiety is being here and wanting to be there
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Speaker 1: there you go, you know, And I love that being
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Speaker 1: where your feet are planted, and then just embracing the moment.
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Speaker 1: And then partnership and for a lot of brothers that
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Speaker 1: I have a lot of men that follow my work,
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Speaker 1: you know, my background being a pro athlete, and men
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Speaker 1: are really interested on what does life look like with
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Speaker 1: the right partner and as you just so you know,
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Speaker 1: talk about you know, having your wife and having that
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Speaker 1: how important is that man, particularly in the space that
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Speaker 1: you're in as a creative Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Man, listen, I find it important, you know, having the
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Speaker 2: right partner. And then I think as a man. You know,
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Speaker 2: a lot of times we're conditioned to believe that, oh well,
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Speaker 2: you know, settling down, you know is a problem. You know,
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Speaker 2: we're conditioned to be like to think that the more
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Speaker 2: the better, But in my experience, you know, the more
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Speaker 2: the chaos. Okay, you know, it's like and then so
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Speaker 2: what happens is when you buy into that philosophy as
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Speaker 2: a man, Okay, well, the more women I have, you know,
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Speaker 2: the better off I'll be.
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Speaker 1: The No, we just become better chaos managers. You know
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Speaker 1: that's good. Brothers. Listen, y'all brothers out here, y'all hopping
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Speaker 1: on these poly trains. Man, y'all better hit his brothers.
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Speaker 2: So so for me, you know, as a man, you know,
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Speaker 2: finding the right partner, you what happens is on the inside,
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Speaker 2: there's that piece because I'm committing my life to her
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Speaker 2: and she's dimitting her life to me, and we create
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Speaker 2: space and keep space for one another in that.
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Speaker 1: That's good.
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Speaker 2: So because of that, there's peace, right and having that
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Speaker 2: right partner who you know has your bad who you
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Speaker 2: can talk to, who you can talk with, who respects
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Speaker 2: you and you respect them. For us as men, I
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Speaker 2: believe that it is a game changer because it is
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Speaker 2: very easy on some level in terms of emotionally, it's
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Speaker 2: very easy to manage more more than one, right, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: because emotionally you don't have to You don't ever have.
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Speaker 1: To do the work, No you don't. But when you're
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Speaker 1: with one, you got to dig in and do the work.
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Speaker 2: And when you're with the right partner, that work is worthwhile.
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Speaker 1: Man, brother, that's a book. That's a book is never
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Speaker 1: that is a book, man, because I think devine, you know,
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Speaker 1: and for men like us right that we've achieved and
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Speaker 1: you see a lot of men, particular for black brothers,
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Speaker 1: that when we achieve success, and if you came from nothing,
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Speaker 1: there is this notion that I have to get it
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Speaker 1: all and getting there and getting it all is that
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Speaker 1: I got to have more. And what I'm hearing from
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Speaker 1: you is making that decision to choose. It's not only
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Speaker 1: settling your life, but it's also allowing you to settle
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Speaker 1: into the piece of what a covenant relationship would do. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think it settles you into peace and
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Speaker 2: it also settles you into purpose there. I mean, listen,
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Speaker 2: you know how it is when you're dating, okay and
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Speaker 2: you're trying to you know, figure it out. What happens
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Speaker 2: is you spend a lot of time, energy, money, you know,
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Speaker 2: going with this one or doing that with that one,
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Speaker 2: and this and that and and that. Think about all
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Speaker 2: the energy and tells money spit to managing. That's why
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about it's as management. It's exhausting and think
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Speaker 2: about if if you had all of that time and
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Speaker 2: energy and money not only to pour into one person,
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Speaker 2: but also poor into your purpose a think about the progress,
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Speaker 2: think about the impact. And so it's it's very important.
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Speaker 2: Every man has to choose their.
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Speaker 1: Own path, you know.
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Speaker 2: But for me, you know, going through my season of
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Speaker 2: single and you know, really trying to figure it out,
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Speaker 2: you know, being able to you know, have received you know,
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Speaker 2: my wife, and to be able to then start to
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Speaker 2: build you know, a life with her, it has been
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Speaker 2: you know, a phenomenal game changing for man.
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Speaker 1: That's so amazing. Brother, my, my, my. As you were talking,
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Speaker 1: my thought is what stands out to you? You know,
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Speaker 1: as you came out of the singleness, and then you said, man,
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Speaker 1: I want to choose her. What was the thing if
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Speaker 1: you can give me like two things that stood out
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Speaker 1: to you. Because brothers you know that are married, I'm
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Speaker 1: always asking them what was it about her? Yeah? You know,
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Speaker 1: because when we choose, well, women don't realize man, when
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Speaker 1: we choose, we're choosing according to something about you that
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Speaker 1: have pulled our heart because you may you know, I
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Speaker 1: have to tell these you know a lot of single ladies.
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Speaker 1: You may get his body and that's what y'all doing.
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Speaker 1: But when you grab a man's heart, yeah, and you
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Speaker 1: shift that heart to where he said, I'm going to
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Speaker 1: choose you, you you've done a number on them. So
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Speaker 1: what was it about your wife, man that made you
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Speaker 1: sens man?
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Speaker 2: It's her, you know, it was really her nurturing spirit,
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Speaker 2: and it's just it's it's a hard thing to describe,
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Speaker 2: but you know, she is such a loving, you know person.
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Speaker 2: And you know from the time that I was young,
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Speaker 2: the middle chimeter three boys, and my finally died of
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Speaker 2: a heart attack when he was thirty six, and so
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Speaker 2: my mother, you know, raised us, you know, pretty much
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Speaker 2: on her on her own, with the help of my
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Speaker 2: grandmother and my grandmother's seven sisters. But growing up, you know,
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Speaker 2: we were in survival mode a lot of the time, right,
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Speaker 2: you know, getting makes your food was on the table,
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Speaker 2: and clothes on her back, get to school and and
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Speaker 2: all those things, and keep a roof over you know,
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Speaker 2: our heads up. That's how we were. We were, And
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Speaker 2: so you know, a part of me, you know, didn't
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Speaker 2: necessarily feel nurtured. And so when I met Maria, you know,
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Speaker 2: her disposition to me was, you know, I see that
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Speaker 2: inner child in you. You know, I want to hug
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Speaker 2: that bah.
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Speaker 1: Come on, come on, brother, come on, come on brother.
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Speaker 1: You're talking about talk. We get that's what she says
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Speaker 1: to me.
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Speaker 2: I want to, I want to I see him and
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Speaker 2: I want to hold You'll let him know he's okay.
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Speaker 1: So man, wait when wait? She talking like that? I'm like,
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Speaker 1: all right, we're good. Let's say, will you know? Will
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Speaker 1: you marry me?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 1: It was like all right, let's go because I ain't
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Speaker 1: had that, you know what I mean? Man?
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Speaker 2: That was that really spoke to me on a deep level.
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Speaker 2: And then what that does is it produces a piece yes,
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Speaker 2: that I'm with someone that is not about performing or
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Speaker 2: it's about how much I got or what I know.
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Speaker 2: It's about like, oh no, this person sees me and
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Speaker 2: loves me and wants to care for me on on
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Speaker 2: the deepest level. And and then what happens as men
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Speaker 2: when we find that, then it's like, yo, I'll give
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Speaker 2: you the world like whatever you need it like, don't
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Speaker 2: even think about.
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Speaker 1: Before you even speak.
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Speaker 2: It's done because you're giving me what I need and
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Speaker 2: I can't find that in anybody else.
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Speaker 1: Y'all better pick up these gems. Is his brothers. Listen
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Speaker 1: what I love about what you shared? CJ, my producer.
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Speaker 1: We talk about relationships all the time, and one of
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Speaker 1: the things that I say, Bro, I don't know how
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Speaker 1: many women can really identify the little boy in the
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Speaker 1: man that needs to be hugged, because when you're raised
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Speaker 1: on survival like you were, I was raised on survival.
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Speaker 1: I'm the oldest of three, and when you're raised on survival,
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Speaker 1: on surviving, you don't have an understanding of how to
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Speaker 1: receive because everything is about how do I make it
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Speaker 1: through this day? And when you think about making it
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Speaker 1: through this day, you think about, Okay, how do I
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Speaker 1: show up? And when you're showing up, it's often performing,
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Speaker 1: so I'm usually looking for us, and if that stops,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I don't know what was happening. Because
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Speaker 1: I've been taught and even shape socially environmental, that if
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Speaker 1: you don't do anything, no one is going to clap
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Speaker 1: for you. So we now begin to think that everything
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Speaker 1: about our existence has to be about receiving the praise
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Speaker 1: and receiving the applause. And what I'm hearing from you
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Speaker 1: is that you saw an audience that said I'll clap
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Speaker 1: if you do nothing.
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, one thousand percent. I'm clapping just because of
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Speaker 2: who you were, just because of.
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Speaker 1: Who you are period. In fact, the little boy don't
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Speaker 1: have to you remember these little boys especially you have
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Speaker 1: family over. We all wanted to go into the living
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Speaker 1: room and put on the show. Yep, exactly get those
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Speaker 1: little dollars, you know. And what she's saying is, I
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Speaker 1: just want the little boy to be held exactly, and
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Speaker 1: that is not did that feel man for you? When
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Speaker 1: your little boy was acknowledged? What did that do for
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Speaker 1: the man? And it provided deep healing.
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Speaker 2: You know, because I you know, to your point, like
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Speaker 2: you know I talk about in the Be True you
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Speaker 2: Know book, I talk about how I was an achievement addict, right,
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Speaker 2: and that achievement was to you know, there to you know,
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Speaker 2: try to really fill that hole in my soul. And
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Speaker 2: so to your point, like wanting the praise, wanting the accolades,
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Speaker 2: and then if those things weren't there, if the applause
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Speaker 2: weren't there, at times, I wouldn't feel, you know, good
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Speaker 2: about myself. And so getting to the place where I
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Speaker 2: have a partner who says, you know, I know what
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Speaker 2: you do in the world, and all that's great, that's wonderful,
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Speaker 2: and I'm proud of you, but you need to know
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Speaker 2: that I accept you for you, not for what you do.
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Speaker 1: And so that just it.
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Speaker 2: Created a piece, It created a healing, you know, so
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Speaker 2: much so that like as as men, you know, prior
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Speaker 2: to I think finding the right partner and making the
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Speaker 2: commitment to that partner, we don't realize how much turmoil
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Speaker 2: our souls are in man talk about it as well.
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Speaker 2: It's almost like there's there's an inner storm that we
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Speaker 2: just get so used to that innertension, that inner frustration,
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Speaker 2: that inner like you know, because here's the thing, It's like,
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Speaker 2: no matter how you navigate, you know, single list, especially
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Speaker 2: if you're you're dating, you know, it takes time and
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Speaker 2: energy and effort. And then you you know, you wonder,
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Speaker 2: okay am I being my true self? And and and
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Speaker 2: why am I engaging with these different women in this
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Speaker 2: different way? So on the inside there's a turmoil, there's
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Speaker 2: an unsettling in the spirit. And so for me, when
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Speaker 2: I found Maria, my spirit got selled and there was
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Speaker 2: a peace that then I can I can think, I
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Speaker 2: can work, I can create from a place of peace.
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Speaker 2: And that is It's something that is deeply hard to
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Speaker 2: even articulate, but when you find it, it's what life
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Speaker 2: is about. And the other thing I would say is
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Speaker 2: that you know, as men, you know, you know Scripture says,
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Speaker 2: you know, husbands and Efesians five, husbands, love your wives,
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Speaker 2: as Christ loved the church, and then the next command
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Speaker 2: after that is he loved the church, and then he
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Speaker 2: gave everything for the church. So the idea that we
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Speaker 2: as men, our dispositions should be to give, you know,
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Speaker 2: and and when we are with the right one, they
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Speaker 2: don't take from us, they receive from us, and then
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Speaker 2: they recitricate to us. That's how you know you're with
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Speaker 2: your right one, because there are a lot of people
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Speaker 2: you know that may want to take what you have
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Speaker 2: to give. That just means I'm not your person, right
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Speaker 2: but don't But as men, you know, for me, you know,
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Speaker 2: with Maria like it enhanced the She enhanced the giver
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Speaker 2: in me. You know, that giver was like, oh, I
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Speaker 2: mean what gud you know, just hey, that's what I'm
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Speaker 2: and that's what I'm here to do, right And in
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Speaker 2: that dynamic of husband and wife.
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Speaker 1: It's just it. For me, it has been a game changer,
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Speaker 1: you know.
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Speaker 2: And before we got together, like I wasn't necessarily looking,
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Speaker 2: you know, for marriage, I was open to of love.
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Speaker 2: And that's another thing. As men, we gotta stay.
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Speaker 3: Open to it because because that that that love, of
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Speaker 3: that deep love of self, receiving that and having that
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Speaker 3: in our life, it's what matters the most.
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Speaker 1: Man. I watched the movie and as you're talking, I
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Speaker 1: see you a lot in Ruth deep Yeah, uh huh,
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Speaker 1: I could see that. Yeah, I see I see a
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Speaker 1: lot of you in Ruth. And of course we would say, oh,
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Speaker 1: we see ourselves as bow Ass. But when you think
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Speaker 1: about not having to do anything and bow Ass just
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Speaker 1: wanting to love her for her. And before you asked it,
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Speaker 1: what what was your inspiration behind modernizing the story, Billy
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Speaker 1: Cleave to bring it?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the inspiration was just what I was
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Speaker 2: going through personally. If I was in a season of
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Speaker 2: being single and I was doing a sermon series on
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Speaker 2: what it means to be single, and I think I
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Speaker 2: was in the second and third installment of that series,
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Speaker 2: and I was studying the Book of Ruth. And as
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Speaker 2: I was studying the Book of Ruth, it was right
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Speaker 2: around the same time that I was trying to figure out, like, Okay,
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Speaker 2: what's the movie, what's the next movie I'm going to make?
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Speaker 2: And as I was studying the Book of Ruth, I
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Speaker 2: was like, wow, this, First of all, it is really
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Speaker 2: powerful because she doesn't go looking for love at all,
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Speaker 2: you know, as a matter of fact, she's kind of
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Speaker 2: resigned that love's never going to happen for her, and
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Speaker 2: she's committed to serving Naomi and to make sure that Naomi,
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Speaker 2: you know, the kind of motherlike figure in the story,
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Speaker 2: is okay. So as a reward for her service and commitment,
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Speaker 2: God blesses her with the love. And I thought, wow,
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Speaker 2: there's just so many themes here when you read it,
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Speaker 2: it's just he's like a movie. And so I said, wow, Wes,
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Speaker 2: and I just said is this guy said, ever been
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Speaker 2: a movie version of this story? And I said, there's
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Speaker 2: never been a modern one.
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: I thought, wow, what an opportunity to do it modern
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Speaker 2: version of this story, to do it with people of color,
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Speaker 2: to deal with us, to bring it to like like
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Speaker 2: it's never been brought to light before. And as I was,
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Speaker 2: you know, working on the script with my two writers,
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Speaker 2: Corey Tynan and Mike Elliott, we just were developing it
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Speaker 2: and working on it. And the crazy part is as
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Speaker 2: we were developing it, you know, my love story with
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Speaker 2: Maria was developing, So it just was like developed. Working
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Speaker 2: on this movie was healing for me. Yeah, And I said, Okay,
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Speaker 2: I think if it's healing for me, you know, not
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Speaker 2: that I'm going to be end all be all as
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Speaker 2: a litmus test, but I feel like if this story
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Speaker 2: can move me, then it can move others. And I
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Speaker 2: think any great movie, it's always going to come from
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Speaker 2: someone involved in the creation of that film that has
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Speaker 2: a personal connection to it, absolutely, And so for this
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Speaker 2: the personal connection was you know, so often when we
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Speaker 2: go through heartbreak, or we go through heartache, or you
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Speaker 2: go through the tragedy of that Ruth's experience in the film,
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Speaker 2: you tend to say, hey, you know what, maybe God's
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Speaker 2: best is not available to me. Yeah, And so in
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Speaker 2: this movie, you know, when you see that wait, all
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Speaker 2: you have to do is stay cany your heart open,
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Speaker 2: keep following that, you know that voice of God, keep
18:04
Speaker 2: pursuing service, and then the things that we need show up.
18:08
Speaker 2: And if love is one of those needs, then we
18:10
Speaker 2: can be guaranteed it will show up. So for me,
18:12
Speaker 2: It was really healing to be able to produce this
18:15
Speaker 2: film and bring this film to life for those reasons.
18:17
Speaker 1: Man, And when I tell you, you did a phenomenal job,
18:20
Speaker 1: the characters, everyone. It was beautifully shot, It was beautifully written,
18:25
Speaker 1: I mean the acting, I mean everything. Because I took
18:29
Speaker 1: off I was looking for my clinical lens, but then
18:31
Speaker 1: I put on my thesbian lens and all of this.
18:34
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna tell you what stood out to me,
18:36
Speaker 1: what I loved about it is you showed grief in
18:40
Speaker 1: real time. Yeah. People of color don't grieve well, and
18:45
Speaker 1: I don't think we often realized that whether you have
18:49
Speaker 1: lost love, you have lost a loved one, you've lost
18:53
Speaker 1: a job, when you have to deal with grief. And
18:56
Speaker 1: one of my favorite quotes in the movie is that
19:00
Speaker 1: that grief comes like an unexpected storm. Yes see it,
19:05
Speaker 1: you never see it coming. And I often have to
19:08
Speaker 1: tell clients is that grief is also the price we
19:12
Speaker 1: pay for lovemen. Yeah, And what I loved about bringing
19:17
Speaker 1: that because when when when when we don't agree well,
19:22
Speaker 1: we continue to sort of lament and load. And what
19:27
Speaker 1: happened is you'll find yourself not really dealing with it
19:31
Speaker 1: or sitting with it. And what I loved about it
19:34
Speaker 1: is that even though Naomi had this difficult time of
19:38
Speaker 1: dealing with this grief, Ruth was allowing her to really
19:43
Speaker 1: sit in it and not run from it while she's
19:46
Speaker 1: running from something.
19:49
Speaker 2: In that But that's so that's so ourful, level was
19:52
Speaker 2: the saying, because so often we don't take enough time
19:56
Speaker 2: to acknowledge the feelings we have around whatever losses we endured.
20:00
Speaker 1: In life, especially believers.
20:01
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's like, oh, you know, you know, God is
20:03
Speaker 2: good all the time, all the time.
20:04
Speaker 1: God is good.
20:05
Speaker 2: That's true. Those are true statements. And and yeah, it's
20:10
Speaker 2: okay to acknowledge, hey I just got ran over. Come
20:14
Speaker 2: on me, bro, It's okay to just acknowledge, Hey, I'm
20:17
Speaker 2: I'm hurting.
20:19
Speaker 1: You know. It's like like you're not going to.
20:20
Speaker 2: Go into the hospital and someone you know has just
20:23
Speaker 2: gone through a horrific accident and tell them to get up.
20:26
Speaker 2: That would be insensitive, except that would be unloved. But
20:29
Speaker 2: that's what we do to ourselves. Yes, you know, it's like, no,
20:32
Speaker 2: take the time, you got it. You gotta heal because
20:34
Speaker 2: if we don't take the time to grieve, which is
20:37
Speaker 2: part of the healing process, yes, that whatever we're not healing,
20:39
Speaker 2: it's gonna come out in ways that will be detrimental
20:42
Speaker 2: and potentially destriving.
20:44
Speaker 1: Because just because you hide it doesn't mean it's not there. Yes, right,
20:49
Speaker 1: that's right, absolutely, And I love how you know, the
20:54
Speaker 1: film also took Naomi back to the place that she
20:59
Speaker 1: really despise. And sometimes God will take you back to
21:04
Speaker 1: places that you resent just to reveal who you are.
21:09
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, man, bro when I tell you,
21:11
Speaker 1: because I was looking at the film from so many
21:14
Speaker 1: different lens, and you know, I've watched it three times already,
21:17
Speaker 1: and I was looking from it from so many and
21:19
Speaker 1: I got something every single time, because when I have
21:23
Speaker 1: work with individuals who are going through grief counseling, man,
21:26
Speaker 1: it's difficult because if you lost a loved one, the anger,
21:33
Speaker 1: just the pain of them not returning. And there's a
21:37
Speaker 1: part where she's talking about you know that not coming back.
21:42
Speaker 1: But I think what the film is going to do
21:44
Speaker 1: de Vaughn is that may be true. But what if
21:48
Speaker 1: what you lost was is what was what was needed
21:53
Speaker 1: for you to gain? And I know that's difficult to hear. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
21:59
Speaker 1: it is.
21:59
Speaker 4: It is.
22:00
Speaker 2: And yet I think that, you know, when you're talking
22:03
Speaker 2: about life and you're talking about loss, having that perspective
22:07
Speaker 2: is actually a healing perspective because if I don't have
22:12
Speaker 2: that perspective, if I don't believe the losses that I've
22:15
Speaker 2: endured are necessary for the gains that are yet to come,
22:19
Speaker 2: then what happens is I continue to mourn, and there
22:23
Speaker 2: it is is look at life in the rear view
22:25
Speaker 2: and say, oh, my goodness, if I hadn't lost whatever
22:28
Speaker 2: that may have been, then I wouldn't be here or
22:31
Speaker 2: then my life wouldn't be this. And don't get me wrong,
22:34
Speaker 2: we have to acknowledge the loss. We have to grieve
22:37
Speaker 2: the loss. Yet we also for life, have to move
22:40
Speaker 2: on from the loss and we have to open up
22:42
Speaker 2: our heart to whatever is yet to come. And so
22:45
Speaker 2: what you're saying is right, But it's a very you know, sophisticated,
22:49
Speaker 2: emotionally mature way to look at life that anything that
22:53
Speaker 2: I had lost is actually setting me up for what
22:56
Speaker 2: I have yet to gain, and that if I keep
22:59
Speaker 2: that mindset, she helps me get through things. Because if
23:02
Speaker 2: I don't have that mindset, then what's the point of living,
23:05
Speaker 2: what's the point.
23:05
Speaker 1: Of being here?
23:06
Speaker 2: If I don't believe that everything I've gone through is
23:10
Speaker 2: serves a purpose, right, yeah, for my good Yes, then
23:14
Speaker 2: it's going.
23:15
Speaker 1: To be very hard for me to get up in
23:16
Speaker 1: the morning. So that perspective, I think is phenomenal. Man,
23:19
Speaker 1: It's going to be very, very, very hard. And also,
23:25
Speaker 1: was it your intention in the film that Boaz loss
23:31
Speaker 1: was also acknowledged? Yes? Absolutely, you know.
23:35
Speaker 2: I mean one when you look at you know, what
23:37
Speaker 2: happened with his father and his parents, and then there's
23:39
Speaker 2: a moment in the movie you know, I won't ruin it,
23:41
Speaker 2: you know where he experiences you know, loss, and again,
23:45
Speaker 2: like the thing about the right woman in your life,
23:50
Speaker 2: come on, is that way you go through loss? You
23:54
Speaker 2: have that support system. Did what did she do in
23:57
Speaker 2: that moment?
23:58
Speaker 1: She helped them?
23:59
Speaker 2: Yes, And then in the moment in the aftermath, she
24:03
Speaker 2: was the one in the midst of loss that had
24:05
Speaker 2: an optimistic point of view to say, hey, wait a minute,
24:08
Speaker 2: maybe all is not lost, Maybe this is actually gay.
24:11
Speaker 1: So you need to you need to Hey, babe, I
24:15
Speaker 1: tried this and got to watch the movie. Try go
24:18
Speaker 1: watch the film. Yeah.
24:20
Speaker 2: And because of her encouragement, because of her seeing his
24:25
Speaker 2: dream and saying no, no, no, no, no, you're looking
24:28
Speaker 2: at this wrong. Your dream is not denied, it's not deferred.
24:32
Speaker 2: Your dream is right. Now try it and then come
24:35
Speaker 2: to find out that what he was working on became
24:37
Speaker 2: even better him in what looked like loss. So the
24:40
Speaker 2: fire didn't destroy, it actually revealed and that would have
24:44
Speaker 2: never been the case if he didn't have the right
24:46
Speaker 2: woman in his life.
24:47
Speaker 1: Yes, man, bro, let me take you Listen. I was
24:52
Speaker 1: in the jail man doing cardio watching the film, and
24:57
Speaker 1: I just felt encouraged, Like if one word that I
25:02
Speaker 1: can say from that that just stood out, I felt encouraged.
25:05
Speaker 1: And we were talking about it, you know, the team,
25:09
Speaker 1: and I said, man, I really believe this film is
25:11
Speaker 1: going to provide a lot of hope. Yeah. Uh, there's there.
25:16
Speaker 1: There there there. There is a state of hopelessness that
25:20
Speaker 1: I feel that a lot of individuals are in. Yep,
25:24
Speaker 1: you know, not just from our political climate, not just
25:27
Speaker 1: from the economic but I just think just from life.
25:29
Speaker 1: Life is life right now, there are a lot of people.
25:33
Speaker 1: What do you wanting individuals to take away from this film?
25:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I want exactly what you said, hope,
25:40
Speaker 2: Hope in the face of loss, Hope in the face
25:42
Speaker 2: of heartbreak, you know, hope in the.
25:44
Speaker 1: Face of grief.
25:46
Speaker 2: Everybody goes through challenges, everyone goes through loss, and you know,
25:49
Speaker 2: one of the things with when we don't have hope,
25:51
Speaker 2: what happens our heart closes and hope deferred.
25:55
Speaker 1: That makes us the heart it right exactly.
25:58
Speaker 2: And so for me, I want people to watch this
26:00
Speaker 2: movie and have that hope to say, Okay, you know
26:03
Speaker 2: what I can get through what I'm going through. I
26:06
Speaker 2: can't open my heart to love. I can make myself
26:10
Speaker 2: a committee of one to commit to service and participating
26:14
Speaker 2: in the greater good of my family and my community
26:16
Speaker 2: and my job and my workplace.
26:18
Speaker 1: Like I can.
26:18
Speaker 2: Those are things that I can do if it's so
26:20
Speaker 2: often what happens also is that when we don't make
26:23
Speaker 2: those commitments, we're like, well, love hasn't found me. And
26:26
Speaker 2: I say, well, well, if you look for love, then
26:30
Speaker 2: that means you're enhancing the absence of it. Mm, because wow,
26:34
Speaker 2: think about it, you don't if you're looking for your keys.
26:37
Speaker 2: Most time we don't look for our keys and peace, no,
26:40
Speaker 2: no where is it.
26:42
Speaker 3: I'll tearing up everything, tearing up everything you know, versus like,
26:45
Speaker 3: you know what, instead of looking for love, I'm ready
26:47
Speaker 3: to receive it, and that and that changes your whole posture.
26:51
Speaker 1: I'm ready to receive it. So when those keys.
26:54
Speaker 2: Show up, I trust that they're going to find me
26:55
Speaker 2: at the right time. And until then, I'm going to
26:58
Speaker 2: continue to live my life. I'm gonna be the love
27:00
Speaker 2: I want to see. I'm gonna be of service, I'm
27:02
Speaker 2: gonna have a joyful spirit, and then I'm gonna let
27:05
Speaker 2: love come into my life when it's ready. That is
27:08
Speaker 2: a different position in posture that I think will produce
27:11
Speaker 2: more hope and a better life than saying I'm looking
27:14
Speaker 2: for love and I haven't found it. So my hope
27:16
Speaker 2: is that people will get that from the movie, Ruth
27:18
Speaker 2: was not looking for love, Boaz was not looking for love. However,
27:22
Speaker 2: when love showed up, they were ready to identify it,
27:25
Speaker 2: they were ready to receive it. They were ready to
27:27
Speaker 2: work through it in order to find the common ground
27:30
Speaker 2: between each other.
27:31
Speaker 1: Oh man, that's so good, brother, man, Wow, you got
27:34
Speaker 1: you just gave me something. I won't be chelling all
27:37
Speaker 1: the rest of the day. Man. Looking forward is also
27:40
Speaker 1: enhancing the absence of it, exactly exactly, so I don't
27:44
Speaker 1: I don't tell anybody. I tell nobody, don't look for love,
27:46
Speaker 1: just be ready to receive it. Man, brothers stopped looking,
27:52
Speaker 1: got their man DMS, let it find And I didn't
27:57
Speaker 1: say it. That's what that's That's what my brother said.
27:59
Speaker 1: And there's a day. Here's a nuancer.
28:00
Speaker 2: Right, you could be in that man's DMS with the
28:03
Speaker 2: receiving spirit and not a looking one.
28:06
Speaker 4: Got your mindset that we have card terror moments over here,
28:11
Speaker 4: Jesse here bro, and that is a card terror moment
28:14
Speaker 4: right there, My friends, listen, y'all listen.
28:18
Speaker 1: He's an expert in this moment. So y'all need to listen. Man,
28:24
Speaker 1: when you well, the actors, yes, Bro, Gosh Man Tyler
28:31
Speaker 1: phenomenal man, Yes, I mean just phenomenal, uh surreal, Yes,
28:38
Speaker 1: phenomenis And of course Felicia Rashad, I mean childhood legend,
28:43
Speaker 1: you know, I mean just I mean everyone, man, how
28:47
Speaker 1: was it you know and what was the what space
28:52
Speaker 1: were you in when you were choosing how to fit
28:55
Speaker 1: into the character?
28:57
Speaker 3: You know?
28:58
Speaker 2: For me, you know, I got my start, you know,
29:00
Speaker 2: working as an intern for Will Smith and then I
29:02
Speaker 2: was an executive at Sony Pictures for almost ten years
29:06
Speaker 2: and work with him on everything from Suit Happening at
29:08
Speaker 2: seven Pounds, Hancock After Earth, the Karate Kid Remade. And
29:12
Speaker 2: so what I learned from him is, you know, always
29:16
Speaker 2: commit to the process that goes for life. But also
29:19
Speaker 2: in terms of filmmaking, commit to the process because sometimes
29:24
Speaker 2: we want a film to be a certain thing, but
29:26
Speaker 2: the process has taken us a different direction. So when
29:29
Speaker 2: it comes to casting, I applied that, Okay, I'm committing
29:32
Speaker 2: to the process that I don't know who the right Boaz,
29:35
Speaker 2: Ruth and Naomi should be. I don't know, So let
29:38
Speaker 2: me commit to the process of casting with our casting
29:40
Speaker 2: director Lee Daniels Butler, our director of the film, Alana Brown.
29:44
Speaker 2: Let's all you know, Tyler Perry was, you know, my
29:47
Speaker 2: producing partner on it. Let's all you know, come together
29:49
Speaker 2: and commit to a process that will reveal who was
29:53
Speaker 2: supposed to play these parts. So we started with a
29:56
Speaker 2: you know, casting search for Ruth and Boaz. You know,
29:58
Speaker 2: we read audit probably hundreds of guys, hundreds of women.
30:03
Speaker 2: And I had made a show with Sorea called Kingdom
30:06
Speaker 2: Business for BT and I noticed that Sorea had not
30:10
Speaker 2: come in yet for the audition, and I remember reaching
30:13
Speaker 2: out to her. I'm like Hey, look you got it.
30:15
Speaker 2: I want you to come in for this.
30:16
Speaker 1: I think this could be great.
30:18
Speaker 2: And I learned that she had some hesitancy because she
30:20
Speaker 2: just has always played like for an empire. And even
30:24
Speaker 2: in our show Kingdom Business that I did with VT,
30:26
Speaker 2: she plays a singer, and so she didn't want to
30:29
Speaker 2: sing on film again, and I just said, I know,
30:31
Speaker 2: but you trust me on this one. So she came
30:33
Speaker 2: in and she auditioned and I was like, okay, see
30:37
Speaker 2: everybody agreed, that looks like Ruth to me. So then
30:40
Speaker 2: we were doing some chemistry reads with a few other
30:42
Speaker 2: actors for the Boaz part with Sorea, and at the
30:46
Speaker 2: eleventh hour, Tyler Leplie sent in a self table audition
30:50
Speaker 2: and we all watched it and said, that looks a
30:52
Speaker 2: little bit like Boaz to me. Then we did a
30:55
Speaker 2: chemistry read with the two of them and it was
30:57
Speaker 2: it was clear, Yeah, they were Ruth in Boaz Man.
31:00
Speaker 2: That process got us to.
31:02
Speaker 1: You know, the result.
31:03
Speaker 2: And then with Naomi, when we were trying to figure
31:05
Speaker 2: out who would play that, it was like, wait a minute,
31:08
Speaker 2: you know, Felicia Rashad is you know she is she
31:11
Speaker 2: represents that she's quintesdential Naomi. Yeah, and so we sent
31:14
Speaker 2: her the script and she read it and she said,
31:17
Speaker 2: I'm in. You know, we did her deal and that
31:19
Speaker 2: was it. So it was just really committing to the
31:21
Speaker 2: process and really seeing and that these were the ones
31:24
Speaker 2: that were rising to the surface and they were just
31:27
Speaker 2: perfect for the parks.
31:28
Speaker 1: And what I loved about it is that the individuals
31:33
Speaker 1: that you picked. Man. As I was watching the film, bro,
31:36
Speaker 1: it was like reading the Bible. Wow. Indeed, it was
31:41
Speaker 1: like that, you know, I mean, you know Tyler, I
31:43
Speaker 1: mean because you you would you know, his stature, like
31:46
Speaker 1: you would kind of envision this is what a boass
31:49
Speaker 1: looked like working in the field. And yes, and and Srea,
31:53
Speaker 1: I mean it, Bro, it was just and then too,
31:56
Speaker 1: you know, Felicia Vishad is just amazing. Man, the emotion
31:59
Speaker 1: that she or you know, when you're dealing with loss
32:03
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at all it, I'm just like, man,
32:04
Speaker 1: this is I'm like, man, this and I'm watching the
32:08
Speaker 1: film and I'm gonna say this, Brothers, I cried, listen.
32:14
Speaker 1: Oh you got me, brother, you got it, You've gotten Listen, Listen.
32:18
Speaker 1: I just put on a helmet for a living and
32:21
Speaker 1: you know, and would dare not cry? You know you
32:24
Speaker 1: may have cried with you lost, but you better not say. Man,
32:27
Speaker 1: I was watching this move you know, brother Lati in
32:29
Speaker 1: my man, Bro, I watched it and I just couldn't
32:35
Speaker 1: help but think about what the story represented from the
32:41
Speaker 1: biblical terms into what is representing from a cinematic view. Redemption.
32:48
Speaker 1: Yeah right, you know what I mean? Redemption, dude, And
32:52
Speaker 1: you think about right that boas and rules were connected
32:57
Speaker 1: to Jesus lineage. Yeah, I know, he's you know it's
33:02
Speaker 1: and man, bro, let's I'll tell you when I've watched this,
33:07
Speaker 1: the similism with the why I see, I think my
33:13
Speaker 1: brain is so so layered, man, the symbolic and people
33:18
Speaker 1: if they watch that and just really watch it, because
33:21
Speaker 1: you got to watch it and really watch it closely. Man,
33:24
Speaker 1: Just so many messages in that man. You guys man,
33:27
Speaker 1: phenomenal job. Brother, Like, phenomenal job. Man like love it.
33:32
Speaker 1: I'm I'm happy you made that film because I think
33:36
Speaker 1: devon oftentimes when we're reading a Bible, people don't see
33:41
Speaker 1: themselves in the characters. You're right, and you made us
33:47
Speaker 1: see ourselves in these characters. Wow. Man, I'm hoping that
33:52
Speaker 1: you take more stories from the Bible and modernize it
33:56
Speaker 1: because sometimes, Man, the films become the Bible that we read.
34:03
Speaker 1: Absolutely one thousand percent.
34:05
Speaker 2: I mean there are some people that will never open
34:07
Speaker 2: the Bible, that will never go into to church, but
34:09
Speaker 2: they will turn on Netflix. You know, Netflix has over
34:13
Speaker 2: three hundred million subscribers. Netflix is in over one hundred
34:16
Speaker 2: and ninety countries, and so to be able to take
34:19
Speaker 2: a movie like this, with a message like this and
34:22
Speaker 2: put it on the world's most powerful streaming service, the
34:25
Speaker 2: impact is that we can't even begin to quantify. So
34:28
Speaker 2: you are one thousand percent correct.
34:30
Speaker 1: Man. I hope you feel proud brother, as a black
34:33
Speaker 1: man to another black man. I'm proud of you, brother,
34:35
Speaker 1: and I just couldn't be more happy man for the
34:39
Speaker 1: product that you guys put out. Man. And it couldn't
34:42
Speaker 1: be at a better timing. Yeah, we need it, man,
34:46
Speaker 1: We need all man. We needed that, man, and when
34:49
Speaker 1: we needed a film that speaks to us, you know
34:53
Speaker 1: what I mean. And that's what you did. Hey, that's
34:56
Speaker 1: what you did, man, And I hope you feel proud.
34:58
Speaker 1: I do I do that responsiblities Man's listening elephant. We
35:02
Speaker 1: didn't know is this going to work. Are people going
35:04
Speaker 1: to connect to it?
35:05
Speaker 2: So everything you're saying, man, it's just it makes me
35:07
Speaker 2: feel proud that it's actually working.
35:09
Speaker 1: And when you think about the film over on and
35:12
Speaker 1: you think about the messaging and you think about where
35:16
Speaker 1: you were personally, did it heal you? Oh?
35:21
Speaker 2: Man, absolutely, I mean, you know, without a doubt it
35:24
Speaker 2: was a part of the healing processes. And part of
35:27
Speaker 2: that healing process is that you know, when you go
35:30
Speaker 2: through things and you're trying to reveild your life, Man, yes,
35:34
Speaker 2: the fear is there.
35:36
Speaker 1: You know, will I ever be able to rebuild? You know,
35:40
Speaker 1: will will what would it look like?
35:42
Speaker 2: And because we don't know right, a lot of times
35:44
Speaker 2: in the rebuild, you may not be able to see
35:46
Speaker 2: the picture. And in the absence of knowing what it's
35:48
Speaker 2: going to look like, there's a lot of fear. There's frustration,
35:51
Speaker 2: there's anxiety. So for me, you know, even professionally, you know,
35:55
Speaker 2: going through you know what I had to navigate in
35:57
Speaker 2: the season before I started making Ruth and Boaz, you know,
36:00
Speaker 2: I was I was afraid. You know, am I Am
36:03
Speaker 2: I really going to have a career that's going to continue?
36:05
Speaker 2: Am I still going to be able to build you know,
36:08
Speaker 2: what I thought I was building, you know, until things
36:12
Speaker 2: you know changed in my life. So as Ruth and
36:14
Speaker 2: bow as the development, you know, process happened, and I mean,
36:17
Speaker 2: you know, I just came up with this idea March
36:19
Speaker 2: of last year. We we started prepping August of last year.
36:23
Speaker 2: We finished the movie in October of last year, and
36:26
Speaker 2: now the movie's out. So to be able to go
36:28
Speaker 2: from you know, an idea to execution in less than
36:32
Speaker 2: a year is something that you know is not done.
36:34
Speaker 2: But the way that it was able to happen was
36:38
Speaker 2: for me to acknowledge, here's the pain I'm in, here's
36:41
Speaker 2: how I'm feeling. Yet I'm still going to access to faith.
36:44
Speaker 2: I'm still going to have faith that this can happen.
36:46
Speaker 2: I'm still going to have faith that, you know, this
36:48
Speaker 2: is a good idea. I'm going to have faith that
36:50
Speaker 2: we can get this done in record time. I'm going
36:52
Speaker 2: to have faith that the right actor is going to
36:53
Speaker 2: show up. I mean have faith that the right director
36:55
Speaker 2: is going to show up. I'm gonna have faith this
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Speaker 2: movie's gonna work. And so when we're rebuilding the essence
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Speaker 2: of what we need to rebuild our life is faith
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Speaker 2: and faith isn't just an intellectual construct. It actually shows
37:07
Speaker 2: up in our actions. And that's why it says faith
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Speaker 2: that works is dead, but faith with works is alive.
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Speaker 2: So if we continue to have faith, you know what,
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Speaker 2: I might be hurting today, but I'm still going to
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Speaker 2: go to therapy. I might be hurting today, but I'm
37:20
Speaker 2: still going to you know, apply for the job. Might
37:22
Speaker 2: be hurting today, but I'm still going to commit to
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Speaker 2: the process of rebuilding. So for me, making those commitments
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Speaker 2: before anything was rebuilt, before there was even any redemption
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Speaker 2: on the horizon, making those decisions by faith and then
37:36
Speaker 2: moving in faith really was a big part of my
37:39
Speaker 2: healing process. So when you see this felled for me,
37:42
Speaker 2: you know I watched it. You know I watched multiple
37:45
Speaker 2: times that even though I made the film, even though
37:48
Speaker 2: I produced the film, I'm still getting emotional about it.
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Speaker 2: If I know what this means. Yes, you know that
37:53
Speaker 2: God has not forgotten about us. God sees us right
37:56
Speaker 2: where we are when we are, and this process of
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Speaker 2: finding the right purpose, the right love at the right time,
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Speaker 2: that to me. You know, I watched the film and
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Speaker 2: I just get emotional because I know what I was
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Speaker 2: going through and to be in this moment and to
38:12
Speaker 2: be able to say, you know, I'm experiencing redemption. I'm
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Speaker 2: experiencing you know, the rebuild in the most beautiful, powerful way.
38:23
Speaker 2: It just lets me know that not God is real,
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Speaker 2: Love winds and Heath.
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Speaker 1: Works, man, man, oh Man, say that again.
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Speaker 2: God is real, Love winds and faith works.
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Speaker 1: Man. And from all that, you said, what I heard
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Speaker 1: is when I first met you produced by Faith.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Amen, And that was divine was that was the first
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Speaker 1: first book. Yeah, first book produced by Faith. Listen, go
38:47
Speaker 1: get that book because I mean you embody that and
38:52
Speaker 1: just to see that that is still your foundation, you know,
38:56
Speaker 1: produced by Faith. When you are looking for the right actors,
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Speaker 1: you're looking for the right producers and the right team,
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Speaker 1: it's produced by Faith.
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Speaker 3: Man.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think you know what people are going
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Speaker 1: to give from this episode. Man, It's going to be
39:10
Speaker 1: so life enriching for them. Man, to enrich their life,
39:15
Speaker 1: to give them the hope, to give them the inspiration,
39:19
Speaker 1: but then the belief that they need to move forward
39:23
Speaker 1: and whatever wherever they are in that journey, you know,
39:26
Speaker 1: whether it's therapy, whether it's navigating the breakup, whether it's
39:29
Speaker 1: navigating grief, a loss of a loved one, the loss
39:32
Speaker 1: of a career. I just think, man, this film Beyond
39:36
Speaker 1: Relationally is going to be able to speak to so
39:39
Speaker 1: many people where they are in life, because sometimes loss
39:44
Speaker 1: can really make you feel like, well, maybe I'm not fit.
39:48
Speaker 2: Right, But what's so important what you just said is
39:53
Speaker 2: so correct in that go through loss and then the narrative,
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Speaker 2: internal narrative, maybe I'm not fit. That's the area that
40:03
Speaker 2: needs to be rewritten. Yes, right, because as we believe
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Speaker 2: I'm not fit, I'm not worthy. I'm not going to
40:09
Speaker 2: try again. Then what happens is going back to what
40:13
Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier, is like, then your losses
40:16
Speaker 2: went yeah, because you give them more more focused than
40:21
Speaker 2: you give your future. So it's like, Okay, i might
40:24
Speaker 2: be hurty today, but I'm not going to let myself
40:26
Speaker 2: believe that I'm not fit for love. I am healing
40:30
Speaker 2: from what I went through, but I am going to
40:32
Speaker 2: stay open to love. I am lovable. I can't wait
40:36
Speaker 2: to love again. Like God, to rewrite man, all that
40:40
Speaker 2: inner talk in order for the story to come out
40:44
Speaker 2: the way you need it in your life.
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Speaker 1: Man, Listen, I hope you have taken something from this
40:53
Speaker 1: conversation you've heard Devun talk about. As he just said,
40:57
Speaker 1: we have to change our inner dialogue. What are you
41:00
Speaker 1: saying to yourself personally? Again, y'all know here, I love
41:05
Speaker 1: to be transparent personally As someone who's experienced loss in
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Speaker 1: a child, someone who's had to navigate the grief of that,
41:13
Speaker 1: I often have said, well, maybe I'm not fit to
41:15
Speaker 1: be a father, and not because I don't think that
41:19
Speaker 1: I have the ability, but because loss had me thinking
41:23
Speaker 1: that and maybe it's not for me. And what Devon
41:27
Speaker 1: is saying, it's not that it's not for you, and
41:30
Speaker 1: it's not that you need a different outcome. Maybe we
41:32
Speaker 1: need a different outlook. There is Man's Joe. That's man,
41:37
Speaker 1: and that's what we need. So and so I won't
41:40
Speaker 1: encourage you go watch Ruth and bow Ass if you
41:44
Speaker 1: have Netflix, and I know y'all had it because y'all
41:46
Speaker 1: watched the fight last weekend. So please go out and
41:50
Speaker 1: support this film. This is an amazing film. Let's blow
41:54
Speaker 1: the screaming numbers up. Let's support our brother, let's support
41:57
Speaker 1: our friend, and let this story. And what I love
42:02
Speaker 1: what you did is you took a biblical story and
42:06
Speaker 1: you made it for us, and when I say us,
42:09
Speaker 1: I'm not just talking to just us people of colors.
42:11
Speaker 1: But he made this film for people who are looking
42:14
Speaker 1: to be restored, because it's a story that you can
42:17
Speaker 1: find restoration and you can be you know, redeemed, you know,
42:21
Speaker 1: And that's what I love about. I've always been a
42:23
Speaker 1: fan of your work because I've always admired your ability
42:28
Speaker 1: to balance all the many different things, you know, you
42:32
Speaker 1: and Tyler and Bishop Jason, especially being able to navigate
42:37
Speaker 1: faith based and being able to work in the marketplace
42:40
Speaker 1: and all those different things. Because when I you know,
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Speaker 1: being a sun of the past, the first thing I said, Brother,
42:44
Speaker 1: I don't want to be in a poor pit, right,
42:46
Speaker 1: but what you did is made what you do in
42:48
Speaker 1: a fimbroom your poor pit there is because you're gonna
42:51
Speaker 1: have to be behind Napoleon to preach. You're preaching through storytelling.
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Speaker 2: And it's a blessing to be able to want to
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Speaker 2: have the opportunity. But you know too, to have made
43:03
Speaker 2: that commitment, you know. I mean, yes, we're here, right,
43:06
Speaker 2: but you know, I started this journey around I was
43:07
Speaker 2: eighteen years old.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what it's been. So it's been a
43:10
Speaker 1: long time.
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Speaker 2: Of just showing up, learning the craft how to tell
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Speaker 2: stories so that when I'm telling a story, when I'm
43:16
Speaker 2: delivering a message, you know, in the form of a film,
43:20
Speaker 2: right that, Yes, that is, you know there is. That's
43:23
Speaker 2: like one of the biggest pulpits in Lias. Yes, yet
43:25
Speaker 2: it's still when anybody watches it, they can get the message,
43:28
Speaker 2: but they also can enjoy the movie.
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Speaker 1: You know.
43:30
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's like if the movie is about a message,
43:33
Speaker 2: it doesn't resonate because people are connected to the story.
43:36
Speaker 2: So it's like, well, message is going to work if
43:39
Speaker 2: it's connected to a story that's well developed in it.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you know, man, beautifully, beautifully, beautifully done. Brother. As
43:46
Speaker 1: we close out, I always ask every guest one question,
43:50
Speaker 1: and that question is what is healing for you?
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Speaker 2: You know, healing for me is first acknowledging the herd.
43:58
Speaker 2: It's good, right because you know, it's like how can you?
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Speaker 1: How can I?
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Speaker 2: How can we heal from something that we don't acknowledge?
44:06
Speaker 2: So healing is like, Okay, I'm gonna acknowledge the herd,
44:10
Speaker 2: and then I am going to by fail believe that
44:15
Speaker 2: what's hurting me today one day will not hurt me tomorrow.
44:21
Speaker 2: And I will do the work required for that statement
44:25
Speaker 2: to become a reality. And that work may be therapy
44:28
Speaker 2: and maybe writing, and maybe journally. It may be you know,
44:32
Speaker 2: going to church, praying, reading the word. I mean, there's
44:36
Speaker 2: so many things that you know, I personally have used
44:39
Speaker 2: in my healing journey, but it starts with that. That's
44:42
Speaker 2: what healing is to me. Healing fundamentally is being whole.
44:46
Speaker 2: Doesn't mean you don't have scars.
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Speaker 1: Yeah I got scars.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I can look at the scar and say, wow,
44:51
Speaker 2: that's no longer a wont.
44:53
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, there's no longer a won't listen. He's a
44:59
Speaker 1: preacher to y'all, So I mean, the brother is multi factors.
45:02
Speaker 1: So so y'all look at it like, so don't don't
45:05
Speaker 1: don't be alarmed that he's dropping these gyms, the brothers annoying. Man,
45:09
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you many appreciate This was
45:13
Speaker 1: amazing man. You just helped me man on so many levels. Man,
45:16
Speaker 1: thank you, and thank you for sharing space with the
45:19
Speaker 1: Just Hill audience. Man, they love these conversations, and I
45:23
Speaker 1: think more importantly, they're gonna love the body of work
45:26
Speaker 1: that you just produced and the message behind it. Man,
45:29
Speaker 1: so thank you brother. You listen, you have just heard
45:33
Speaker 1: the amazing the Von Franklin film, producer of Ruth and
45:37
Speaker 1: bow Ass. Please go out and support this film. It's
45:40
Speaker 1: on Netflix September twenty six. September twenty six is also
45:44
Speaker 1: my father's birthday, so so yeah, so I'm excited to
45:49
Speaker 1: see this film and will tell my pops because he
45:51
Speaker 1: don't watch TV, but he does watch Netflix. They all
45:56
Speaker 1: go celebrated. Bring up yeah, oh oh yeah, tell me
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Speaker 1: watch this film. Contigue your healing journey. Continue building community
46:04
Speaker 1: because without community, it is challenging to heal, and you
46:08
Speaker 1: can't heal along and remember until next time, healing is
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Speaker 1: a journey and wholeness is the destination. Just Heal with
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