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Fyre Fest of BookTok with Ashley Ray · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: The Scam Goddess. What's poppin', congregation? It's your girl Lacey Mosley, a.k.a.
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  Speaker 1: Scam Goddess, back with another installment of the comedy podcast
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  Speaker 1: all about robbery, fraud, and those who practice it. Sometimes
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  Speaker 1: we love them. Sometimes we hate them. One thing's for sure,
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  Speaker 1: we probably will laugh at them, but never at the victims. Okay? Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard out here for everybody. So, congregation, you already
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  Speaker 1: know I'm very what? Yes, excited, elated, thrilled, stimulated. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: that last one doesn't feel right on it. But today
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  Speaker 1: we have a returning guest. We have not only a
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  Speaker 1: board member of the congregation, a deaconess, also a youth pastor,
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  Speaker 1: but only once a month for the queers. Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 1: Stand up. TV writing and pop culture takes icon. And
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  Speaker 1: you've seen her on Netflix's Funny AF with Kevin Hart,
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  Speaker 1: HBO Max, BET, Hulu. Just turn your TV on at
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  Speaker 1: this point, okay? And Adult Swim. You can also see
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  Speaker 1: her in live shows. You can get her honest script
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  Speaker 1: notes and a craft table for good causes. She's got
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  Speaker 1: a lot of those going on, too. Love that. Do
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  Speaker 1: a lot of crafting. Yes. Please go ahead and stand
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  Speaker 1: up on your feet. Stand up in your seat. For
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  Speaker 1: our returning, the woman who helped me take down Sean King,
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  Speaker 1: we have the Ashley Rae back on the show. Hello.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you for having me back. Thank you for being here.
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  Speaker 1: I am so happy to be here. Congregation. I'm so
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  Speaker 1: happy to have you. I know the congregation's thrilled. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: never before have I managed to take a scammer off
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  Speaker 1: the Internet.
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  Speaker 2: And not, like, just thoroughly destroyed. Like, every platform. He
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  Speaker 2: tried to do the, I'm going to run to Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to run to the, and they just, every
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  Speaker 2: platform found him.
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  Speaker 1: He said, I'm going to turn Muslim. Yep. He even
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  Speaker 1: tried to do that one. Yes. And then he was
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  Speaker 1: Kareem Abdul-Jazam. Like, yes. And we had fun names for that, too. Yeah. Like, look.
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  Speaker 1: I don't delight in anyone's... That's not true. There's some
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  Speaker 1: people I want to suffer. I have some children fraud
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  Speaker 1: for some very well-deserving people. But I was glad that
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  Speaker 1: we got him off the Grinch train. Yes. He needed
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  Speaker 1: to be vanquished. Yeah. And he was. He was just
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  Speaker 1: pure evil. It was. Pure, pure evil. Any time, like, oh, gosh,
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  Speaker 1: would you imagine the times of Nolan Wells and Tasia
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  Speaker 1: and all these, you know, these black, you know, people
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  Speaker 1: that were abdicating for these victims? He would be taking advantage.
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  Speaker 1: He would be cleaning up right now. Oh, he'd be
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  Speaker 1: cleaning up. Making so much money. Oh, my goodness. He'd
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  Speaker 1: be out there with Nancy Grace trying to do his thing. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he definitely would be with Nancy. He'd be out, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He would throw on a nasty bob and be right
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  Speaker 1: next to her.
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  Speaker 2: And I love Nancy, but, you know, she... She doesn't
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  Speaker 2: really have the best, like, judgment. I feel like she'd
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  Speaker 2: go with his grift and she'd be like, and I
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  Speaker 2: have this black man here helping me and it'd be like, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: He is a black man, guys, and he cares about us.
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  Speaker 1: He cares about this and you know I care. He
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  Speaker 1: cares about this because y'all know I care. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're right. She would. She would. That's the thing, like,
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  Speaker 1: And not to go too deep into that, but I
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  Speaker 1: do see people talking about, you know, because Nancy Grace
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  Speaker 1: has been on the case for a minute. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: black people love us some Nancy Grace. I love Nancy.
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  Speaker 2: Sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I love Nancy Grace. And then people are like, but
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  Speaker 1: she's been problematic. And, you know, there's been people in
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  Speaker 1: the past. She's done this, that, and the third. I'm like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But when are we going to stop looking for perfect heroes? Okay. Right. Like,
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  Speaker 1: MLK wouldn't have been able to get shit done if
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  Speaker 1: he was trying to have a dream right now. Right? No.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all be like, how inclusive was this dream? Yeah, how
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  Speaker 1: inclusive was it? You said you liked a white woman
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  Speaker 1: one time, so I don't know. Yeah, we heard she
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  Speaker 1: was philandering with a lot of white women. So, you know, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: she's still coming after Casey Anthony. She's still getting the
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  Speaker 1: work done. She doesn't give up. She's foot on people's necks.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know where she finds the time. She must
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  Speaker 1: be spreading her toes. Like, one toe for everybody's neck?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. She started, like, a YouTube show, and
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  Speaker 1: she is.
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  Speaker 2: I swear on it 24-7 talking about crimes I've never
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  Speaker 2: heard of. Like, she is in your local 911 files. Like,
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  Speaker 2: did y'all know somebody stole something from Miss Susan's porch and.
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  Speaker 1: She's on it? And we're gonna get them. We're gonna
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  Speaker 1: get them. Yeah, she's gonna get them. And I love
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  Speaker 1: that for her, and I love that for us. I
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  Speaker 1: love that. You know what? I'm with it. So, Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: it's been a minute since you've been on. Yes. And
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  Speaker 1: I want to know, like, what's your relationship with scams
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  Speaker 1: right now? I mean, does that guy say, how do
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  Speaker 1: you feel? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I just heard about a scam that I
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  Speaker 2: actually was so impressed with.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: This woman, I want to say Florida. I mean, that's...
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  Speaker 2: Odds are Florida.
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  Speaker 1: They're right behind Georgia. Yeah. Yeah. This woman.
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  Speaker 2: went door to door claiming to be a pill recycling
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  Speaker 2: center from the city and she was there to throw
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  Speaker 2: away people's old pills okay yeah just door to door
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  Speaker 2: just something the city's offering to collect your old medication
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  Speaker 2: so we can properly dispose of it she made it
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  Speaker 2: through four neighborhoods before somebody called the police like is
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  Speaker 2: the city actually doing this Before she finally met a hater. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: before finally someone was like, I don't think that's a thing.
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  Speaker 2: Someone said, let me Google this. And then why did
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  Speaker 2: you have to snitch on her, though?
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  Speaker 1: Right. You're being a hater. What bad is she actually
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  Speaker 1: doing by taking people's prescriptions? Yeah, it's like if you
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  Speaker 1: gave it to her, were you really scammed? No. You
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  Speaker 1: thought it was trash. You were like, oh, she's going
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  Speaker 1: to recycle it. Exactly. And in a way, she did
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  Speaker 1: recycle it. To herself. Yeah. Isn't that reusing? That's, yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's good. It was, like, goodwill, but for your medicine cabinet.
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  Speaker 1: But for your medicine cabinet. For me.
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  Speaker 2: I do wonder, like, how successful it was. Like, was
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  Speaker 2: she just mostly getting, like, Valtrex? Like, what were these
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  Speaker 2: people giving her?
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if they're not giving that away. True. They
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  Speaker 1: need that. They need that. Otherwise, how are they going
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  Speaker 1: to ride bikes in commercials? Good point. They need that one.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to hold on to that. Yeah. But I
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  Speaker 1: feel like she's probably looking for, like, opioids and things
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  Speaker 1: like that. And, like, maybe back in the day she
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  Speaker 1: might have gotten me with that one because, like, opioids
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  Speaker 1: make me sick. And I remember that. They don't over-prescribe
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  Speaker 1: them as much as they did when I was a kid. Yeah. But, like,
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  Speaker 1: I remember I got a tooth pool and they was
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  Speaker 1: giving me, you know, like, black tar heroin. Yeah. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't.
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  Speaker 2: I had some dental stuff. I still have, like, pills
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  Speaker 2: they gave me. I would have given them to her.
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  Speaker 1: Right. Like, take that Demerol. I don't know. Right. They
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  Speaker 1: said don't flush it down the toilet. Yeah. So it's
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  Speaker 1: just been sitting here. It's three years expired. It's like batteries.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody's like, don't dispose of them this way. And I'm like, well,
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  Speaker 1: then how?
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  Speaker 2: Well, then what do I do? And so then I'm
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  Speaker 2: supposed to, like, she's in trouble for coming to take
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  Speaker 2: my batteries? Honestly, I feel like that was big junk drawer,
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  Speaker 2: working in cahoots with big battery and big Allen wrench.
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  Speaker 1: And they were like, we just going, you need to
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  Speaker 1: have a random place to throw out stuff that was like,
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  Speaker 1: or you need to have a random place to put
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  Speaker 1: stuff that we told you you can't throw away. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: just this, a junk drawer. That's what it is. You
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  Speaker 1: just leave all these chemicals in this one drawer. All together.
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  Speaker 1: With some loose change and some ketchup packets. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: some little pills that you're like, I don't know, that
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  Speaker 1: fell down there. Right. Right.
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  Speaker 2: And then an angel comes, offers to take something, clean
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  Speaker 2: up for you, gets arrested.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's bullshit. Because also, how are you going to
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  Speaker 1: arrest me for just, like, you gave it to me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: That's like when I go into a bank and I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: instead of being like, this is a stick, I'm like,
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  Speaker 1: can I have some of the money I got back there?
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  Speaker 1: If you give it to me, how is that a robbery?
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  Speaker 1: If you give it to me, how is that a robbery?
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  Speaker 1: So I'm on her side. Yeah. I guess it's like
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  Speaker 1: the whole having a prescription that's not prescribed to you. Yeah, sure. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. But that be happening sometimes. Also, I
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  Speaker 1: love the psychology of this. She was just like, as
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  Speaker 1: long as I... And this works. If you give people
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  Speaker 1: one valid excuse or if you have some kind of
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  Speaker 1: indicator of power on you, people will listen. So, like,
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  Speaker 1: her thing was the city.
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  Speaker 2: She said she came from the city. And she even
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  Speaker 2: made a little badge.
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  Speaker 1: Oh! It's done. It was done. Period. Period. You know,
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  Speaker 1: give her the pills. Give her the pills. Let her
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  Speaker 1: keep those pills, Florida. Free her. I'm going to make
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  Speaker 1: a t-shirt. Free her. And the pills. She better walk
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  Speaker 1: out with jiggling jangling with all of her wares. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: because you know she just got some Advil and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Nobody was giving her anything serious. Next thing we know,
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  Speaker 1: she's going to have a little push card like that.
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  Speaker 1: Let that man come through the neighborhood like, this is
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  Speaker 1: what I got, y'all. You got some restless leg? You
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  Speaker 1: can't take a piss. I got pills for everything. She
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  Speaker 1: got everything. She got it. We might need La Farmacia
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  Speaker 1: in the neighborhood. So I see an entrepreneur. Right. The
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  Speaker 1: way these times are trying. Yeah. I don't even think
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  Speaker 1: they're trying anymore. Like times trying us. I think that's over.
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  Speaker 1: I think we're being done. Yeah, we're done. The times
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  Speaker 1: are doing. We've tried. We've been trieded. Yeah. We've been
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  Speaker 1: done on. They're doing now. They stopped trying and they're
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  Speaker 1: just doing it to us. They're just doing. Yeah. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: my goodness. I like the entrepreneurship here. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: it is illegal to have other people's prescriptions. Yeah. I
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  Speaker 1: don't think you.
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  Speaker 2: Can impersonate a city worker. Probably don't do that.
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  Speaker 1: But if it's not a real position, was she really
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  Speaker 1: impersonating or was she inventing? See? See? Again, I'm on
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  Speaker 1: her side. Yeah. Yeah. I gotta be on her side.
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  Speaker 1: It can't be identity theft if no one owns it.
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  Speaker 1: I've done it before. There was no pill recycler from
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  Speaker 1: the city. From the city. This is not a title.
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  Speaker 1: She didn't steal a job from somebody else. There was
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  Speaker 1: no pill recycler. She created jobs. In a recessive job market.
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  Speaker 1: Give her the keys to the city. Right. I love
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  Speaker 1: this woman. Let's get her an infrastructure. Don't put that
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  Speaker 1: lady in prison. That's what I hate about... the incarceration
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  Speaker 1: system sometimes is we're locking up our greatest talents instead
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  Speaker 1: of giving them the education and the resources to put
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  Speaker 1: their work to good you're putting them in a cage
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  Speaker 1: and then turning them into you know a feral person
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  Speaker 1: who's just like trying to survive which is so fucked
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  Speaker 1: and it's like come on just like Every time I
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  Speaker 1: watch Jail Talk, I get sad seeing so many electrical engineers,
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  Speaker 1: so many scientists. I'm like, what do you mean you
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  Speaker 1: got a flat iron, you cut the cord, split the
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  Speaker 1: wires out of shit and figured out how to put
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  Speaker 1: it into a trash can with water to make it boil? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: There are geniuses in there. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's like that guy who was like the fake dentist
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  Speaker 2: and he like actually did a bunch of people's teeth
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  Speaker 2: for real and it was like Well, at a certain point,
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  Speaker 2: he's doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but teeth is one of those that can't... There's
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  Speaker 1: certain professions you can't do. Like, you can do hair.
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  Speaker 1: If somebody was like, oh, I do hair for a living,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be like, yes, that makes sense. If someone was like,
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  Speaker 1: I do open-heart surgery, I'd be like, what do you
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  Speaker 1: mean you do that? Are you a cardiologist? And he
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  Speaker 1: was like, I do teeth. He had up my Instagram
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  Speaker 1: to book. Yeah, bones... They're bones that connect to nerves
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  Speaker 1: and your brain and your heart.
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  Speaker 2: And I do suppose he messed up a few people,
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  Speaker 2: which is why he got caught.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, which, like, you know, death can come with doing
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  Speaker 1: a bone wrong. Yeah, yeah. Like, no one's dying. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: most people aren't dying from bad hairdos. No, but he
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  Speaker 1: could mess your mouth up. But it's like, just send
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  Speaker 1: him to dental school. Let him live the dream. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: let him go do dentists for real. There was an
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  Speaker 1: autistic black man who was arrested yesterday. I believe in
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  Speaker 1: New York because he loved trains so much. And so
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  Speaker 1: he kept like getting in the train and driving the train.
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  Speaker 1: And he was driving. Had that bitch on schedule. On schedule.
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  Speaker 2: Was stopping at all the stops. Everybody was like, he's
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  Speaker 2: like an amazing worker. And everybody likes that he does
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  Speaker 2: a good job.
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  Speaker 1: Just train him. What do you mean you're putting him
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  Speaker 1: in jail? Give him the job. He needs to be
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  Speaker 1: doing his job. Maybe more of us need to just
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  Speaker 1: start walking into the job that we're supposed to be at.
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  Speaker 1: Just do. Just go do it. They're just doing it.
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  Speaker 1: You just go do it. At this point, education is
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  Speaker 1: so expensive. It feels like try. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It feels like you need to just go do. Just
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  Speaker 2: go do it.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. They let you represent yourself in the court of law.
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  Speaker 1: They do. Why can't you start representing some other people?
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  Speaker 2: I've been watching so many videos of people defending themselves
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  Speaker 2: in court and they're all insane.
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  Speaker 1: And it's my favorite thing in the world to watch.
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  Speaker 1: I bet it is good.
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  Speaker 2: There's just so many YouTube videos and it's people just
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  Speaker 2: trying to argue with these judges. And they're like, see,
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  Speaker 2: so first of all, what you need to understand is
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  Speaker 2: I'm a sovereign person and country outside of the United States.
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  Speaker 1: So you legally cannot even talk to me in this
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  Speaker 1: court of law. And the judge is just like... Contempt.
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  Speaker 1: Put the person in jail right now. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: They're making a lot of sense to me. Who decides
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  Speaker 1: what's sovereign and what's not? People. Why can't I be people? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Why can't my body be its own country? Yeah. Mr. Judge.
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  Speaker 1: I've been talking about this a lot. I'm just like,
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  Speaker 1: how much time has to pass for me to do
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  Speaker 1: the thing that we all just accepted was a thing? Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So why can't I be sovereign? Why can't I just
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  Speaker 1: be a sovereign person? Why can't I reign over something? That.
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  Speaker 2: actually is what this person did they like ran over
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of people at a fair okay i said
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  Speaker 2: rain okay yeah so actually don't you're not sovereign citizens
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  Speaker 2: that we don't support that.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't use my dominion to run people over. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I want to run a country. Why would you do that? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So a retraction. He lost the case. He did lose
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  Speaker 1: the court. He's in prison. He should be in somebody's
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: clink just for a little bit. You know, for the vehicular. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: For the vehiculars. For a little bit. That's what was
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  Speaker 1: wrong with him. Okay, well, let's move into our next
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  Speaker 1: segment here. Historic hoodwinks. This is where I will regale
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  Speaker 1: Ashley with a famous con group of criminals we don't
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  Speaker 1: know yet. Maybe we love them. Maybe we hate them.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see all throughout. Okay, so what we're talking about
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  Speaker 1: today is very near and dear to my heart as
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  Speaker 1: someone who is an authoress. If you're not watching, I
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  Speaker 1: just posed next to my book, very strangely, which is
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  Speaker 1: a great advertisement for the book because there's a lot
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  Speaker 1: of strange things going on in there. It's a good book. But,
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  Speaker 1: you know, as an authoress, I've learned a lot about
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  Speaker 1: the book community as of late, as joining it. It's intense.
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  Speaker 1: It's very intense. Oh, yeah. I have a book event
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  Speaker 1: tomorrow and I'm a little scared. It's scary. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I see it mostly on threads. That's where all the
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  Speaker 2: book people went when Twitter ended. And I just see
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  Speaker 2: all the authors over there fighting. It seems there's just
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  Speaker 2: always drama in the book world.
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  Speaker 1: It's a lot. And I love drama from the periphery. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like I'm in the book world enough that
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  Speaker 1: I understand, like, some phrases, some things about publishing, and
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  Speaker 1: some blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not deep enough to where I have, like, beef
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  Speaker 1: yet with somebody. Yeah, yeah. You don't want that. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. I got an event tomorrow. Maybe I create some.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you make some. Because it feels, like, spicy. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, just, like, go post something
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  Speaker 1: about Lindy West or something. Right. Just there you go. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I want people to read me down and, like, use
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  Speaker 1: the word sanguine. Like, let's... Yeah. Yeah, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I mean? And then I would be sanguine in the moment.
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  Speaker 1: And if you know, you know. Now, she reads. That's
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: a real flex. People need to start flexing with their education, okay?
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: Y'all want to flex with cars and shoes and bags? No. Just, like,
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: pull out a real thick-ass book. Yeah, drop some big-ass
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: words on me, okay? Start saying verbose and loquacious instead
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: of they talk too much, you know? Like, give me
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: a little sprinkle to my ear. That's a new scam tactic.
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: I feel like somebody just get real erudite. Just start
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: using all the words on us. Yeah. Yeah. It won't
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: work for me.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: That is how a lot of cults have been starting
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: lately is just someone's like, on YouTube, they use such
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: big words and sound so smart. I had to just
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: listen to everything they said.
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: It's also like a cadence, like an intellectual cadence. Everything
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: that I'm saying right now must be true.
• 15:32
  Speaker 2: And I sound like I did my research. So you
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: trust this.
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: Because look at how I'm cutting off every word at
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: the end. Because I really mean it. It's so perfunctory. Yeah.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: So when I tell you that giving me $ 500 a
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: month is how you reach enlightenment, I know what I'm
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And you're not going to see that enlightenment until
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: the payment has transferred. Yes. Yes. That is important to know.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: Once you see accepted, then you can accept the light
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: into your life. You see how it works? Oh, yes. Yes.
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: So we're going to be talking about book talk today,
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: which I do love book talk. I was like, it
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: was some girls dancing in front of my books. If
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: y'all would like to dance in front of my books again,
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: I would very much appreciate it. Okay. Get you a
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: little scam song. Twerk with the book. Help a black lady. Okay.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, so I love book talk because it really
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: gave us a little bit of a resurgence in reading
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: as well. It got the kids reading. Yes. And a
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: lot of the older kind of book snobs, you know,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the OG like New York Times. They look down. They
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: look down on it. Colleen Hoover. He did Rivalry. Yeah.
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: Kids are reading. So they're reading. They're reading. Right.
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: That's one less brain in front of an AI video
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: of fruit.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: That's a book. That's one less brain, yeah, right, on
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Fortnite wearing black people's skin and talking to pedos pretending
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: to be 12. Yeah. Ain't no pedos in the book.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: In the book. They ain't got no discord in the
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: book where you can talk to the other pedos who
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: like the book. No strangers popping up in the book. Yeah.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: Just let the kids read the books. Yes. The books
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: are safe. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great way to put it.
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: So we're talking about a book talk influencer, Celestial Meg.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: So funny. Ashley does not have these cue cards. She
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: does not know what's coming up, and she's already talked
• 17:07
  Speaker 1: about charging $ 500 for you to reach enlightenment, which sounds
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: like something Celestial Meg might do. Celestial Meg, yes. We're
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: looking at her profile right now. On threads. So Celestial
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: Meg has got the little star emojis because that's letting
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you know she's stellar. She's stellar. She's very whimsical. Book
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: lover with a book emoji. Bringer of whimsy with a
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: mushroom emoji. I wonder if that means she does shrooms.
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: That's what I write that as. Yeah, we're getting Celestial
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: and a mushroom emoji. And you're going to bring the
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: shrooms to the party. Yes. I kind of fuck with
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Celestial Meg. Yeah. She's bringing a vibe. That's how we're
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: getting celestial. She likes romance, so she definitely doesn't see
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: them college hoovers. Oh, yeah. Fantasy, dark, whatever. I think
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: that purple heart probably means something. It probably does. It's
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: some community of some preference or something. Yeah, it's probably like, yeah,
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: some preference. Like, I like yaoi or whatever. Like a
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: little pineapple or something. She's like, yeah. Yeah. A little woo-woo. Yeah.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: And then, I don't know what the frog is, but
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: she says, coming soon. And then more stars and then
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: a rose emoji. I don't know what she got. She
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: got a link tree, though, so she got something coming up.
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: Celestial Meg got something for you live. Okay. Can't have
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: one link there. Got to have a link tree. She
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: need a tree. Yeah, she got to tell you stuff.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: She got to sell you stuff. So, you know, Celestial
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: Meg promised book lovers. So this is Celestial Meg. And
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: so far, I'm on her side. She looks like a vibe.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: She's got all the stuff in here. I'm interested. I'd follow. Yeah,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: because the bio is, I want to know what's going on. Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So maybe other people do as well, because Celestial Meg
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: promised book lovers a luxury reading retreat with all-inclusive food, relaxation, crafts,
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and a weekend with fellow book lovers. But what happened
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: was Fyre Fest for books. For books.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: Oof.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Which arguably, more flammable. So we're going to get into
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: the bookish community here. First of all, very funny to
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: me to point out that on one hand, we're talking
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: about the bookish community, right? So we see on one
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: hand there's people who are clearly at some kind of
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: like book fair pop-up or like maybe this is like
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: a pop-up used book or mobile library.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what you'd expect to see at a book fair
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: amongst book press.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I love that Scholastic's for adults. I would definitely go to,
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: because now we, I think if you didn't have money
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: as a kid when Scholastic's came to your school and
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: you had to sit in the class and do worksheets
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: and stuff, I hope that you're really like into book
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: talk and that you're going to this book fair. Get
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: your book fair back. Get all the books. Get all
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: those books. cause now hopefully you got book money yeah
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: If you don't own them, just take a book. Steal
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: for your inner child. Steal some books.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, now they got free libraries everywhere. That's true.
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: We're trying to force books into people's hands. We really are.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Go to the free library. Bring a book back, though.
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: But I love the juxtaposition here of these hipsters perusing
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: these books. And then for some reason, on the other side,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: we have the world's biggest book club, and it looks
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: like a concert. And here are Black people dancing about books,
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: which I love us. Sponsored by TikTok. Sponsored by TikTok. Um,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I see, these are all giving like elder millennial. Yeah. Yeah.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I'm getting elder millennial. I'm not getting book. No, I
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: don't see a book. Not seeing a book. I feel
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: like maybe if they had danced with the books, twerked
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: on the books a little bit, read wild dancing. Yeah.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: Maybe like a costume reference to a book. Yeah. Anything really. Honestly, though, millennials,
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: y'all get out there and dance. We've never had peace.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: They say book event? Okay, we'll be there. We'll be
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: there to dance. And they are basically in semi-office wear.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Right. Like, where are we going after this? This is
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: three different events. Truly. Like, Silver Pants just left Renaissance. Yeah.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: And then it feels like the one with the braids...
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: He might have a wedding later, but he definitely had
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: to stop by the office first. I was thinking he
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: has a wedding later, but he's working at it. He's
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: working the wedding.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, he bartending the wedding later? Yeah, he's bartending the
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: wedding later.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. That's what I'm getting from him. And
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: then these gas station sunglasses ball head. He feels like
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: he's supposed to be like a Ron Isley like opener. Yeah.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Like for a reunion tour for like Earth, Wind and Fire. Yeah.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: Like he's opening in Vegas. Yeah. But book? No. And
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: then we got crop top white lady leather jeans. I mean.
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: She's giving me like one of them churches that's like
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: a mega church, but it's like for young white people.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Like a Hillsong. Yeah. Yeah. She goes to Hillsong and
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: she sits one row behind Kourtney Kardashian. Yeah. Or she's
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: like number one in her SoulCycle class. I could see
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: that too. Yeah. She sits in the front and gets
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: lots of praise. She takes it really seriously. Yes, absolutely.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: We'll leave the rest of you alone. Scams! So a
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: bit about the bookish community. This scandal popped off mostly
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: on threads, not TikTok, but BookTok goes beyond any single
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: social media to include anywhere people review, recommend, and discuss
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: their favorite books. That sounds harmless, but the book people
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: can get wild on there, as Ashley has said. So mean.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: BookTok skews heavily towards YA, which is young adult, if
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: you're not bookish. YA fantasy, romance, and romantasy, which is
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: a combination of the two, romance and fantasy, which would
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: be like a twilight. Yes, yeah. And we have a
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: lot to get through here, but I do need to
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: hop on one last soapbox. fucking Twilight. That book is weird, okay?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Edward Cullen is a pedophile. This motherfucker hundreds of years
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: old and just because he had a sparkly teenage boy body,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to think he not creepy? Why are you
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: hanging out at a high school? Why are you chilling
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: at a high school? He was alive for a thousand
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: years ago. You know the best group of people to
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: hang out with? High school kids. High school kids. You
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: could have been in some underground grunge scene. There's plenty
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: of people who are only up at night. Go relive
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: your college years. Yeah, the kids actually need to go
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: to bed so they can get up for the high school.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: But you want to go hang out at the high school.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: And it feels all pedophile-coded because then they would be like, oh, yeah,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: we like it here in Seattle because it's rainy, there's
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: lots of shadows. Little kid, do you want to come
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: out with me at night because that's the only time
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I can really hang? And then also, on top of that,
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: if we get caught or if it gets a little
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: too warm, my whole family has to relocate cities. Yeah.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: We have to move states. We have to move states.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: If we get caught at the high school. Where there's
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: a different database. If we get caught at the high school. Yeah. What?
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Edward Cullen, what are you doing? What are you doing?
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Get canceled. Jacob, the imprinting on the baby. That was
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: so weird. Like, that lady needs help. Yeah. And she
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: really had us convinced all that shit wasn't fucking weird. Yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Weird as hell. And it was like all to get
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: people to convert to Mormonism or something. Yeah. What was
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: her name? Stephanie or something? Yeah, Stephanie Myers. Yeah. It
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: was all like a ploy, which I'm like, you're not
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: really making it sound that good. Yeah. I don't want
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: to do this. Nothing sounds enjoyable here. But also, like,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: it's funny that she wrote it as a woman because
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: the whole concept of Edward Cullen feels like a man's idea. Yes. Like,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: what if I could be old as fuck in my head,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: but hot enough to attract... Teenagers. Yeah. If I'm not
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: rich enough to attract the teenagers, I can be a hot,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: sparkly vampire who lures them into the woods at night.
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Into the woods. Which is like, go make some money,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Edward Cullen. You're an adult. You should know everything if
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: you've been on the earth this long. For this long.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: Why you got roommates if you've been on the earth
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: this long, Edward? Go make some money. Yeah. Go invest
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: some dollars. You too broke. Yeah. Yeah. What are we doing?
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: You're right. That's priority number one. You way too broke. Like,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: what do you mean? Okay, you can fly. Get a car, bitch.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: Get a car. I'm trying to go to a steakhouse. Yeah. Like,
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: the fuck? Drive me. Yeah. They got some blood. Get
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: it rare. You can suck on that. Like, what are
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: we doing? Anyways, I just had to get that off
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: my chest because it was upsetting me. It's legit. Okay.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: And this is why I wanted you on for this episode,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: because so many things that I haven't even covered yet,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: you've already mentioned, Ashley. So the bookish community has a
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: huge cultural influence at this point. Sarah J. Moss's A
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Court of Thorns and Roses, Colleen Hoover's It Ends With Us,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and Rachel Reed's Heated Rivalry, like you mentioned, all got
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: a big boost from BookTok. Yeah. Which obviously worked out
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: very well from them. Two of those are movies. Yeah. Yeah.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I think they're turning some other book by the woman
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: who did Gita Rivalry into a showdown. Rachel Reads? Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Ooh.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Please let it be WNBA. Ooh. I mean, but that's
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: not that spicy because we know they over there fight. Yeah.
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: And that's what kind of makes it. That's why I
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: love it. Because sports was also drama. Yeah. Some of
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: them date around different teams. Yeah. Off campus was good. Oh, yeah. Oh,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: my goodness. Love it over there. So reading retreats are
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: common in the online book community. Reading is a solitary activity,
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: and the people who like this kind of niche, you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: like the kind of yearny or romance-y books, you know,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: they might be pretty far from you physically. So it
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: makes sense to do some organizing and try to make
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: friends in real life. Yeah. I love that they're touching grass. Yeah.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I love that they're making this IRL. Like, they're not
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: just going to be book nerds hiding in their rooms.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: They're like, no, we're going to read, be public about it.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: We're going to make it look cool.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you. They can all look at each other reading
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: and be proud. We're doing it. I was just doing
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: this in Starbucks alone for so long.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: And it's like, yes, do that. Maybe other people will
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: see and be like, reading, that's how you make friends.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Right. The beach. Yes. And also, I feel like I
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: really would like bookish people for the most part. Yeah.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: There's always somebody in a niche or a hobby that
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: takes it way too far. There's a group of, there's
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: always a French.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Always that group, but like. I, you know, I've been
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: in a book club or two.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I enjoy that. You know, we all have something to
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: talk about. So it's shared experience. Yeah. Now, when they
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: do the book clubs, like what like were these strict ones?
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: Like what kind of rules do they have in the
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: book clubs?
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I've been in one strict one where like at the
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: top of each meeting after the assigned pages, she would
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: hand out like a five question quiz. and like if
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: you show worksheets and straight up if you were like
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: i don't know or like got something wrong she'd be
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: like you didn't do the reading so you can't stay.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: She would kick you out before discussion? She would kick
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: you out. She would straight up be like, so most
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: people would just be like, I didn't read. I'm not
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: even going to go. See, this is why I hate
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: we're underpaying teachers. Because I know whoever that strict lady is,
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: she would be great in the classroom. She'd be so
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: good in the classroom. She'd be a can of border. Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: She's like, you didn't do the assigned reading. There's the door. No,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: put the Chardonnay down. Unhand the fig and cracker. Yeah. Yeah.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: You don't get to hear our thoughts. Yeah. No. No,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: you didn't do the work. No. Try again next week.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm disappointed in you, honestly. Yeah. And then I
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: was in a fun one where we talk about the
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: book for like 10 minutes and everybody would just get drunk. Okay, listen. Balance. Balance.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I love that. Well, so yeah, they're bringing all these
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: people to one place. This is what our celestial Meg
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: is doing. Yeah. But this doesn't mean that you should
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: shell out money for a ticket and fly to a
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: remote location without doing your research, right? Yeah. Because I understand, like,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: being in a book club, and maybe we're not doing
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: as much due diligence on the book clubs that are
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: in our neighborhoods. Yeah. But any book event I'm going
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: to where I got to get in them people's sky
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: at 35,000 feet, yeah, I need to know some things.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: I need to know. I need to read about it.
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: If I'm spending a lot... You need to read about it.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Don't we love reading? Don't we love reading? That's our
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: whole thing. So let me... So read about it. Yeah,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: so read about it. Do research. So... A little bit
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: more about Celestial Meg now. Celestial Meg, according to her,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: is a romance book influencer and content creator. She runs
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: the Celestial Meg Book Bestie blog and social media platforms
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: where she provides book reviews and recommendations for romance subgenres.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have a big following, but she's not a nobody.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: She claimed to read 120 books last year. According to
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: one of her followers, Meg has hosted retreats successfully before.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: One of her followers. Yeah. Was that her sister or something?
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: Was that a relative? Yeah. I would check on that.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: And honestly, her social media not being super huge tracks
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: to me. If she's really reading 120 books, she ain't
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: got time to post that much. She don't have time
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: to post. Yeah.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: How does she have time to even schedule to put
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: these events together? She's reading 120 books. That's a lot
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: of books.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Is she reading them, reading them? Is she skimming them?
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I think she's doing that skimming thing they did. I
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: heard like some of the book talk people, they don't
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: read any of the stuff that's not in quotations. So, like,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: they'll just skip whole paragraphs and just go to the
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: next time next part where someone's speaking damn we really
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: are in a literacy crisis yeah because what do you
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: mean you joined the whole community about reading and then
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: decided to do to cheat on the thing that that
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: is the thing it is.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah there's a lot of weird rules within it like
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: some people won't read a book unless it's in first
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: person because they can't imagine a narrative that's like not
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: within their own head like if they read something that's
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: like Like, oh, I went to the store. They'll be like,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I didn't go to the store. How can you put
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: this in print? I didn't go to the store. You
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: went to the store, bitch! And, like, they're legitimately, like,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: making TikToks. They're like, don't you guys hate these kinds
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: of books?
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: I can't stand this. And it's like... Then don't read
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: that kind of book, you weirdo. Yeah. Also, like, read
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: the book. Just read the books. But you know what?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: They're reading. They're reading. Are they? They're... It's the closest,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: I think, that we come these days. I hate our
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: attention spans now. We used to be able to suffer
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: through the book. Yeah. Yeah, y'all motherfuckers ain't really catching
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: the ride. That's what's wrong with you today, okay? Because
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you get to the end of that book, you be like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: the fuck? Yeah. Why did I just read this? Why
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: did they make me do this? Why is this a classic?
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Who is wasting my time? Yeah. Yeah. Okay, Salinger, get
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: the fuck out of my face.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it sucks, but you did it, and all
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: your classmates did it, and you suffered through it together.
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: And then you also read books that your mama didn't
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: want you to have. Oh, yeah. Like The Coldest Winter Ever,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: which was just like a smut book. Yeah. But I
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: read about Winter Santana. Yeah. I'd be in my room
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: under the covers like, ooh. Oh, this is a little sexy.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: They're saying curses up in here. Okay, like. So, yeah,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: that's kind of weird. So, yeah. So let's get to
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: the promises broken. On her website, which is now gone,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Meg said your $ 900 ticket to the book retreat. $ 900.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: American dollars. It got you a four-day, three-night stay at
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: a luxury cabin in the mountains of the Finger Lakes
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: in New York. That included a hot tub. Ooh. fire
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: pit and a huge comfy couch now is that hot
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: tub per cabin yeah like is that one a hot
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: tub for everybody is in it why why are you
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: highlighting a couch Is there nowhere else to sleep or
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: to be?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Because the couch to me is not very special.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: So that would make me go, wait a second. Is
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: there only a couch? I'm saying that a luxury cabin.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: It has kitchen sink. Comfy couch. Comfy couch. Autumn in. Windows. Ooh,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a treat. Okay. Girl, we even
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: got toilet. Yeah. I'm sorry.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: I'm asking, like, what size beds do these cabins have?
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Because I'm assuming cabins.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: No, no, no. You're asking the wrong question. We got floor. Okay.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: We got roof. Okay. And wall. Ooh. And throw pillow.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Not even real pillow. Throw pillow. And it's singular. Throw pillow.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: Throw pillow. Okay. Don't toss it too hard. We only
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: have one. One. Yeah, the amenities aren't really ameniting to
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: me either. So there would be a professional book slash
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: fantasy photo shoot in the woods. So you're also getting $ 900.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: You're getting hot tub, couch, cabin, four days, three to four, couch, again,
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: fire pit for fireplace. You're also getting professional book slash
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: fantasy photo shoot in woods. In the woods. And the
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: woods are a bonus. Okay. We want woods. Okay. Okay.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: You're also, there also will be book binding workshop led
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: by local author Corwin Michaels, author of The Dream One
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: War Saga. Hmm. A Draymond War Saga. Like Draymond Green. Yeah.
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: Dream on. Dream on. It's spelled like dream on. Yeah.
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: We'll go with Dream on War Saga. Yeah. Bookbinding is
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: where you fasten an ordered stack of paper pages together
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: inside of a protective cover. So on the itinerary, Meg
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: allotted three hours for bookbinding. I don't know how long
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: bookbinding takes. No idea.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: Is three good? This is a thorough book experience. Will
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: they be binded when I'm done? Yeah, they're binding them.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: They're reading them. They're really doing it with books.
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: Honestly, if I was to throw together a scam book festival,
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: these things are pretty enticing to me. I'm a little
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: alarmed by Comfy Couch. But, like, bookbinding. Yeah, bookbinding. They're like,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: we're going to take you from books from start to finish, okay? Like, okay. Yeah,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: we got the Gutenberg press out here. You're going to
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: get your selfies in the woods. And then we're going
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: to make a book. With the Gutenberg press.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the photography, that I'm not so getting, but I'm
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: sure that's like a cosplay type deal that they are
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: probably excited about.
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because apparently the woods matter. So people want the woods.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: So there would also be bookish crafts included, but not
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: limited to, book bedazzling. Okay. But not limited to. It's included.
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: So you might do other stuff with the book. I mean,
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: we're getting farther and farther away from reading.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: We're doing a lot.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Now it's like, well, I don't know that we're using
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: these books for what they're supposed to be for.
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: Right, we're making the books. We're making the books. We're
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: bedazzling books. We have an ink making class where you
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: can learn how to make the ink that you put
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: in print on the book.
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: That you'll put in the book. And we're tie-dyeing books.
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: But girl, when are we sitting to read?
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Is that in the itinerary? Is that what you wanted?
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Well, there will also be meals and snacks
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: that are included in okay plus so you're getting your
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: meals and your snacks included now like plus couch this
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: is all too much for nine hundred dollars yeah i
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: mean honestly at couch.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I was like how much money do we have left yeah.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: So plus a swag bag book club discussion and they
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: won't kick you out for failing the reading test okay
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: you can stay and lots of time to actually read
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: okay Meg promised comfortable accommodations, delectable meals, and creative inspiration. Now,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: as a book Writer and reader, I figure most people
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: who are avid readers aren't also writers, but they can be.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: The circles definitely overlap, but I would imagine people who
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: are going to book Fyre Fest are probably mostly consumers.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: And I guess, I mean, now the big thing is fanfic.
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of them will be like, oh, I
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: write fanfic and like read fantasy books and stuff. So
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: that's like real writing now. Sorry to the fanfic community.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: You are valid and real. AO3 is.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wrote a fanfic about cars. They're all doing
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: it in mine, okay? Yeah. It is all... Tires rotating everywhere.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Oil spilling, shooting out everywhere. They.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: everybody's got like an AO3. Those people got some freaky
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: imaginations over there. It gets deep though in mine, okay? Cars,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: like one person gets road rash. It's a whole thing.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Is this with the characters from Cars? Yeah.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Or is this a separate group? No, it's the characters
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: from Cars.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, it's the characters from Cars. Yeah. Yeah, and they're
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: doing it. That gives me more context. Yeah, because now
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I can see Lightning McQueen and I'm visualizing better. Yeah. Lightning, yeah,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: he does a lot of things fast. He's giving somebody
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: red rash. But yes, so it's catering to all these
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: different people. Screenshots of the retreat website are still visible
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: on thread. So we're going to look at some of these.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: So first thing I'm grabbing off of romance reading retreat
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: is the font to me is giving funeral home. Yeah.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: This is giving website made in the year 2008, 9.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: It just looks very old school.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Looks like a church event. Yes. Yeah, it's giving revival. Yeah, revival. Yeah.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: And also, why so many different fonts? Yeah.
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: We couldn't really make up our minds here. Couldn't make
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: our mind up. We got some Times New Roman in there.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Whatever this free gas.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. This looks very romantic. Yeah. Which makes sense because
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: she's a big romance-y audience. Yeah, it's giving like, this
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: is my final resting place. Yeah. Oh, the lodging. Now look,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: if the lodging photo didn't look good enough for you
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: on its own, we have drawn some little sizzles. Make
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: it sparkle. Yeah. Honestly, picture's not that impressive without the
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: hand-drawn paint.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Seems that's the picture we have.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but this is the reveal, because you can see
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: it right here.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can barely see it here, and then it's like, reveal.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: And already I'm like, uh, this looks like a cabin
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: that could fit four people, five people.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, is this the lodging or your lodging? Like, is
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: this the meeting place? This brings us back to couch. Yeah.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: And how many people have access to comfy couch? Yeah. Yeah.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: It's giving everybody, guys. Because I'm like, well, how many
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: people are you expecting? Because that's tiny. Yeah. Is this
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: a retreat or is this like a, what would you
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: call it if it was smaller? Like a vacation? I
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: think it's just a trip then. Yeah. Is it a
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: retreat or is it a trip? You're just taking a trip. Yeah.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: It might be a trip. Let's see. But they said,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: you know, you're going to get all your food. You're
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: going to get a swag bag. You know we love
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: a swag bag. Just all the shit that you don't need.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: I wonder how they're doing in the recession now that
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: people aren't just buying branded whistles all the time. Probably
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: not great. Yeah, man. Swag bag industry. I wish I
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: had gotten in on big swag. Just putting logos on
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: shit that people never need. Never going to use. Never
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: touch again. Never use. Punishing them with crap that's just
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: literally going to a landfill. But first.
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: Swag bag. Just a wireless charger you use once and
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: then it breaks.
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: And then it breaks. Or it doesn't work with the
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: iPhone anymore because the iPhone always wants to switch its
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: coochie up. Like... Please! God! So... We see that, you know,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: this is a $ 900 ticket. And this $ 900 ticket does
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: not include travel to and from the lodging or a
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: real summer romance. So they can't guarantee you a train
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: or being run on you or ridden on. They're not
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: guaranteeing any of that. Okay. But they just said pull up.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: All right. So the attendees. Meg's website said there were
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: two single rooms and one shared accommodation room, so participation
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: would be very limited. Did you? Three rooms?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: So that's three rooms. So are three people coming? You
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: got three people coming? It's giving trip now.
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: So this is the single room, which I would assume
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: means that if you purchase this room, you will be
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: sleeping in it alone. Sleeping alone in it. That's what
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I would hope. Then we have a shared room, which
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: has the double beds. If you've ever been on a
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: bachelorette party, you quickly start to realize how little rooms
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: big houses have. Yeah.
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: So they'll have the bunk bedroom, you know. Yeah, it's
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: your classic Airbnb setup here.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Yes, clearly. Your cheap, yeah, like Walmart bedding. Yeah. Which, like,
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Walmart can crank out a bed every now and then,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: for sure. I don't mind it. We got a pillow
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: with words on it that we reading already. See? We're
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: already going. Yeah. As soon as you walk into the room, joy. Okay.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: There it is. Yeah. I can't read what the other
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: word is. Cannot. But I think it's joy and something
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: else bookish. But yeah. And we got a picture of
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: the woods here. Yeah. You laying on words. You reading words.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: We love it. If I'm here by myself, I'm enjoying
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: this space. Yeah. So attendees were friends of hers from online.
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: That included one follower whose online handle is smutwhisperer. Hmm. Hmm.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: The following will be Smut Whisperer's account of what happened
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: on the retreat from June 18th to June 20th. So
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: let's see what Smut Whisperer has to say. Scams! Cards! So, Thursday.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: When readers arrived to the cabin Thursday afternoon, Meg, Miss
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Celestial Meg, was not there. Oh. Which I feel as though. Meg. Meg,
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: now you invited me to the woods. I feel like
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: you need to be here. You should be here. When
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: I arrive. When I arrive to the woods. How will
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: I know if it's my couch? Right. How, Meg. Now
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: I'm all up on these people's couch and then next
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: thing I know I'm on a t-shirt. I'm black. I
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: can't be showing up to places in the woods. Just
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: showing up. Yeah. Meg. Meg. You got to be here.
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Make your plan. This is your event. So when readers arrived,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: she's not there. When she did arrive later, she accused
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: the attendees of conspiring against her. So we're starting off. Oh, okay.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: And this is by Smut Whisperer's account. Yes. Which I
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: trust Smut Whisperer. I am trusting Smut Whisperer. I'd be
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: Smutty Milf. Yeah. And very honest name. So this is
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: Smutty Milf right here. Smutty Mouth has green hair. Personally,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I know Smutty Mouth can make like a mean ass
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: like Frappuccino. Frappuccino. Yeah. Woman. Mom. The hair is barista.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: The hair is barista. Books are life. Books are life. Okay. Okay.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: I know a coffee shop hate to see her coming, okay?
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: She gonna be in there all day reading them books. Reading.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Aspiring author. Might even be typing a bit. Oh, she
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: might bring a laptop. Might even have her own little laptop.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Get the tidbit typing. Yeah. You are right about that.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: And I like this a little more than Celestial Meg,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: who was trying to hype us up with the coming soon.
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: yeah no no smut whisper is just like aspiring author
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: i'm not gonna play.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: Games right she's like i'm working on it okay where
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: celestial meg's like i got them shrooms yeah and also
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: and don't worry the book is coming it's coming soon
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: out of my brain to yeah i'm real and then
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: yeah you'll see yeah is there something always coming right
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: don't we always have yeah something coming out you always
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: yeah there's always something coming soon Yes. Meg, I'm with
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: you there. But. Yeah, but this is giving like. Smutty mouth.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: And also not too much smart. Like she does say
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: funny AF. And I kind of believe her. I think she's. Yeah. Yeah.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: She's going to be funny. I like it. Smutty's already
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: writing some stuff. So Smutty, I'm on your side. Yeah.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: So Meg comes and immediately is like, one of you
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: betrayed me and I don't know how we got there. Okay.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: You just got there. Like Jesus in the garden. Okay.
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: We haven't even sat down on couch yet. Oh my goodness.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: What's going on? So there was no food. So one
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: of the girls who had a car went out to
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: get pizza so they could have something to eat. Everyone
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: went to bed unhappy, but they stayed mostly because of
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the bookbinding workshop that was set to happen the next
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: day and feeling bad for the guy who was coming
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: to do that. So, Meg. Ugh. Celestia, Meg, I gotta
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: beef with you here. You took $ 900 from these ladies.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Most of this book shit that you're talking about could
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: easily be whipped up with one quick trip to Michael's. Yeah.
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: With his bitch ass. Yeah. And you could go get
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: some crafts, some glitter, some glue.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: Some bedazzling tools.
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: That, and you have to make sure that the fridge
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: is fully stocked. Clearly, y'all aren't in a place where
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: you can Uber eat something. The girl had to drive
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: down to the local pizza joint. Probably had to dodge
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Jason Voorhees and his fucking, you know, the chainsaw mask
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: of man. She probably would have ran past everybody. Freddy Krueger, like...
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: You know, fighting her way. Bloody Mary. Because y'all are
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: in the woods. Yeah.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: As you highlighted to people, the woods.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So. So that's not even like if people aren't
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: satisfied with the food that they can just like quickly,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: conveniently order something. Oh, don't worry. We'll just go grab something. No.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: You have these people stranded out there. The least you
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: could do was have a fridge fully stocked of like
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: juices and, you know, all the milks and all that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: You definitely need all the coffees. Book people love a
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: coffee with a book. You need it. Like that's their drugs. Yeah.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Coffee book. Yeah. Coffee book. And Meg had nothing. Like,
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: that's why the book be on the coffee table. Like,
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: everybody knows this. And Meg had nothing? Nothing. Like, I'm
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: immediately going to know it's a scam if I'm not fed,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I don't have my little coffee crack. Yeah. When I
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: get this, you're not here. You could have had some
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: Totino's in the freezer and been like, for our next
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: reading challenge, flip this frozen pizza over and see how
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: long it takes to cook it in the oven.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Come on best reader wins i i still want to
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: why did she show up with accusations why did she
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: showing up going.
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: You have betrayed me like what girl it's given that
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: she knows there are problems so she's like look over
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: here yeah or she's like y'all don't have food somebody
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: betrayed me so y'all are already posting about how this
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: sucks right We all love books. It's a murder mystery. Like,
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: she just kills somebody for the plot. Somebody is dead
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: who was supposed to be here. Y'all figure it out.
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Let's focus on this. Stop worrying about eating. Maybe stop
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: telling the internet that I lied to you. Yeah. Telling
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: the internet that I lied to you. Why would you
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: do that? The betrayal. So, on Friday. Okay. So, Thursday
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: they get in. They hungry. Yeah. One person goes and
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: gets a pizza. Meg's talking about a betrayal. Nobody really knows.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: And everyone's just like, okay, this sucks, but... Book binding.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: At least I get to bind a book.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: And you know what? I think this is that a
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: lot of these bookish people probably have already bragged about
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: this retreat. Yeah. Bragged about the cost and definitely bragged
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: about the book binding. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: somebody printed out their manuscript. Yeah, it was ready. They're like,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: this is the book I'm binding. I'm binding my own book. Yes. Yes. Yes.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: I could see that. I would be excited for that.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: I feel like the highlight. So on Friday, Meg went
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: out shopping, in quotes, and returned with two bags of groceries. Now, Meg,
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: you were supposed to shop before they got there. Yeah. Like,
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: it looks very bootleg to come into any event with
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: grocery bags. Yeah. I'm looking at you crazy. Like, you
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: didn't know. You knew we were coming. So why did
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: you wait? I thought you were going to go to
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: a sit-down restaurant and then all of a sudden somebody
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: come in with some bags. Like, we got more plates. Yeah, like, oh,
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: don't worry. We got you. We got you. We're going
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: to cook this up. We just got it from the store. Yeah,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: what do you mean? So you promise delectable treats.
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: You promise a spread and two bags of groceries is
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: not sounding like enough.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also you didn't have to use the word delectable.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: You know this is the reading community. Delectable has more
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: weight to it than like, you could have just said
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: food provided. Food gives no context of whether it's edible, delicious. Delicious,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: if it is more of an appetizer. Delectable at least
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: means a cheese pizza. Like platter with like a honey,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: a real honeycomb on it. I'm getting charcuterie. I'm getting charcuterie.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: That's delectable. Yeah, with real honeycomb, real fig. That's delectable.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: But if you're coming with two bags of groceries, you
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: got to say snacks. Yeah. You can't say that you're
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: providing any sort of real meal. To insult a fire
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: fist injury, in these grocery bags, she has bread. Okay. Meat.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: And peanut butter. And jelly. Meg didn't prepare any of
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: the food. She was still accusing attendees of sabotaging her
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: and mentioning AI a lot. Girl, you're sabotaging yourself, girl.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Who didn't give me delectable treats?
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: Look at you guys bringing these disgusting bread sandwiches in here.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: That's why I brought this bread and these peanut butter
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: and jelly sandwiches. I'm sure they had.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: To be so mad seeing her come in with bread
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: and peanut butter and jelly. You know automatically that is
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: just going to be the cheapest bread the worst sandwich
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: making stuff.
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: And it brings me back to the Fyre Fest sandwich,
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: which was the cheese sandwich with the little lettuce and tomato.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: That was so sad.
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: I bet she got that cheap 99 cent lunch meat
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: and was just like, go crazy.
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: You know it's thick and slimy. Oh, yeah. It's giving lunchables. Yeah.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: That bread that dries like as soon as you open
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: the bag.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, I feel like she got like a bread full
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: of booties. Like if they made like a booty bread
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: combo for cheap, it's just all ends. And she was like,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: it was cheaper that way. It was cheaper that way.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: I got more booty bread that way. It's technically more
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: bread for you. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And delectable is in
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the mouth of the be- Beholder. Eater. Yeah. Yeah. The consumer.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Peanut butter Meg. Okay. She's stripping. But I do like
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: that she's keeping up the sabotage plot and now it's
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: mentioning AI. She's just trying to do inflammatory things so
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: that no one will turn their anger towards her who's
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: the real culprit. Yeah, like, guys, it's AI's fault that
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: we don't have food. He's like, Meg, where's the food?
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: She was like, the data centers. Y'all want me to
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: have delectable food? Oh, I'm sorry. You wanted water here?
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: It's at the data center. You need to talk to
• 50:26
  Speaker 1: Peter Thiel. Yeah. He's why we don't have delectable treats.
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe take down Elon. Ever heard of that? Yeah, but
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: y'all trying to fight me in the woods. Anyway, who's
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: sabotaging me? Why are you all against me? Why are
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: you all against me? So the bookbinding workshop did happen. Oh, okay.
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: It's a little sigh of relief. Although the local author
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: was also creeped out by Meg and later said she
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: spent the workshop time doing a cacao ceremony. Oh. So
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: cacao is an ingredient in chocolate as far as I know.
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: I don't know what a cacao ceremony is, but it
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: creeped out the local author. Yeah. I mean, I only
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: have questions. So what is that, Meg? Let's. We'll start
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: to see if anybody else has done a cacao ceremony.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: But in the meantime, after the bookbinding workshop, Meg went
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: out to get local maple syrup, which she claimed was
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: important for a drink they were going to have. Okay,
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: now it's getting a little... Okay, yeah. It's getting a
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: little Jonestown. Yeah, I don't know that I would feel
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: safe taking this drink. You didn't have any... First of all,
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: you weren't here when we arrived. Yeah. Then you accused
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: us of sabotaging you.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Of sabotaging you for days now. You're accusing us of things.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: And now you want to make us all a special drink?
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Right. There was no food in the house. And then
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: you came back with peanut butter and jelly and blamed AI.
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: And now all of a sudden it's so important that
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: we all drink this thing with a special maple syrup.
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: So our amazing producer Joelle has told us that a
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: cacao ceremony is where white people who want to pretend
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: to be indigenous. Yes, yes. drink a very bitter ingredient
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: in most good dark chocolate, cacao, and they sit around
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: and they pretend that this is a mestizo practice that
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: they know about. It heals them. It heals them in
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: some way. But I guess Meg needed to go get
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: some maple syrup because the cacao was too bitter. The
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: cacao was too much. So at this point, it's 4 p.m.
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: on a Friday and no food has been provided. Again,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: We're in the woods. We're in the woods. So I
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: didn't have coffee this morning. I haven't had breakfast. I'm
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: just bookbinding on an empty stomach. Yeah. I hope you're
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: a voracious reader. Yeah. I hope the appetite that you
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: brought was for knowledge. Was for literature. Because food, we
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: ain't got that. No food. No, no, no, no. All
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: the peanut butter and jelly gone already. Right. Period. They
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: over here licking the jar. Oh, no. So Meg wanted
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: to order DoorDash for dinner.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: That the restaurant they picked didn't deliver to their remote location. Well,
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: we knew that was coming. Yeah, Meg. They ain't sending
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: a little robot out there for y'all, Meg.
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: Have you been here before, Meg? Clearly not.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Maybe she got lost and that's why she was late. Yeah.
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: She really thought she was going to door dash these meals.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: To the woods? To the woods? You hyped the woods. Yeah.
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: Why would you? Okay. So my dad's trying to be like, yeah, no,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: not that oak tree. The next oak tree. The next one.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: You have to go down with it. Yeah, and then
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: turn at that one. You see the squirrel? No, the
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: dead one. The next squirrel. Yeah, we hit a squirrel.
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: You should be able to see that one. Yeah, yeah. Like,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: what are we doing? I'll be a little marker for you. Meg,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: you've let me down. I mean, she says celestial. She
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: did say she was whimsical. Yeah. This is whimsy. This
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: is whimsical planning. Yeah. Yeah. Strangely enough, if I'm planning
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: an event, I become type A. But I am a
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: type B traveler. Oh, yeah. Like, I'm very go with
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: the flow. Yeah.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: Like, I think I would not be mad at Meg
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: until this point. When it's Friday 4 o'clock, this is
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: when I'm starting to get like, okay, girl. Yeah, I
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: was going with you. I was, like, not betraying you.
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: But now I might have to betray you a little bit.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you put the idea in my head. And now
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: betrayal is starting to sound. Now I'm thinking I need
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: to do some sabotage. Yeah, I feel like I do
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: need to betray you. Yeah. Like the spirit of Judas
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: has entered me. Has entered. Yeah. I'm hungry and this
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: is your fault. Yes. And you want to door dash. No,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: they're not door dashing. And we're in the woods, bro. No,
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: we're not door dashing. You planned nothing. Which to me
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: is fascinating too on another level because at least like
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: with certain events, like the real Fyre Fest, like Billy
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: McFarland didn't have to actually face all of the guests
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: of the Fyre Fest. You know, he was on Molly
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: hiding somewhere as everything fell apart. As one should do.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: He went to a different island with his friends. Right,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: he was on a yacht with the rich bottles and
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: shit as he found out.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: That everyone's starving.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they're starving. There's no water. Yeah, it's turned into like...
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: But Meg is in it with the people. Yes, which
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: is why I'm like, why would you face these people
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: and play in their faces like this? Like, it seems
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: like they should betray you. Also, so we've, There's been
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: one night so far. What are the sleeping arrangements with
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: these three beds? We have not addressed this. And I
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: feel like I would have had to figure that out immediately.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Meg wanted the guests to pay for the food. But
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: they refused because they had already paid her $ 900 each.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: So she was like, I'm going to door dash it.
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: They said they can't come out to Wood House number
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: one on Murder Lane, but they said I can come
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: pick it up. Y'all fork over the cash. Give me
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the money. And they were like, no, it's in our
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: all-inclusive $ 900 package. So Meg went out to get the food.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: The guests wanted to leave while she was out picking
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: up the food, right? But they waited because they were
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: very hungry. And because Meg had left her dog at
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: the cabin. Oh. That was a nice white lady tactic. Yeah,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: that's a nice, yeah, she knew what she was doing.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: They're not going to leave Fido there. Yep, she knew.
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: And she was like, y'all can't leave because one, you're hungry.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: You're in the woods. You're in the woods. I'm your
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: only source of resources and you can't leave my dog.
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: And you can't leave my dog. At first I thought
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: they were going to say that she had left her
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: dog on a, I read it fast and the cabin
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: looked like chain. I was like, is the dog keeping
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: them hostage? She had like a Rottweiler tied up in
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: the front. Just tied to the door. Read or die.
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: These are your options. So they stayed because they hungry.
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: And when Meg returned, they announced that they were going
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: to a hotel and would be requesting refunds for the weekend.
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: Refunds have not been processed. And Meg has not apologized. Meg.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: Now I'm trying to figure out how many people. She
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: had six attendees. Six attendees. So six at $ 900, which
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: is what? $ 5, 400? Yeah. Yeah. Which is just not enough
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: money for what she had planned. And the lodging was
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: $ 2, 000 for the Airbnb for the weekend. So Meg took
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: that $ 5, 400 and then she left with $ 3, 400, right? After lodging. Yeah.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: Clearly she has not paid for food. She paid for food.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: maybe she paid the bookbinding author. I think the author
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: was volunteering. Oh, well, Meg. He was local. Yeah. I
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: think he just wanted to meet people. And think about it,
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: six people. How often are you getting the chance to bookbind? Yeah.
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: Which is six strangers who love books.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: Six strangers who, yeah, love books. I bet that was
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: a joy for him.
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And hopefully a joy for them. But yeah,
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: she spent none of this on food, according to Smutmisperer. Now,
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: if you got a $ 3, 400 profit, now we're not including
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: your travel, Meg, but let's say... With food, you got
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: six people to feed for a weekend. You could do
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: that easy. Easy. Okay, if we add in liquor too,
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: let's say 500. She did have that drink. She had
• 57:53
  Speaker 1: to drink. Okay, but that might be the last drink
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: that they ever have. So really, you don't have to
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: plan for that much food. Yeah, Friday night drinks. We
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: don't need it in the afterlife. We don't need it
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: in the celestial kingdom.
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, where Meg has taken us.
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, you could have easily done that. You could
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: have done it up with 500. Yeah. That would have
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: been like name brand liquor, all the reheatable foods, pizzas.
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: These people clearly... Snaggables. I'm not going on a retreat
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: with six strangers. That's not enough people for me to
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: call it a retreat. That's a trip with strangers. Yeah.
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: That's not enough. That's just a trip with strangers. And
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: booking strangers at that... Who are hungry and mad. Yeah.
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: And no shade to the book community. But if I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: ever loved books so much that I was willing to
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: go to the woods with five strangers, I love books
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: too much. Yeah. Everything gets to a point. You got
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: to ask yourself questions. You know, you drink enough water,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: you'll die. And also six people as three beds. So
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: now you're sharing a bed with a stranger. With a stranger.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: You love books that much? You want to share a
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: bed with a stranger? I'm not. I'm not doing that. Yeah,
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: what kind of sexual deviancy do y'all have going on?
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: What happens when the book closes? Okay, yeah. When one
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: chapter ends.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Which one begins? Yeah, they're sharing a twin XL. That
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: was the twin XL.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Like, am I sleeping head to foot? Everybody don't got
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the same hygiene. Are you getting to bed with your
• 59:15
  Speaker 1: outside clothes on? Like, what are we doing? Yeah. Yeah. See,
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: when you love books to this point, we have to
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: kind of call you back in. Yeah. You know, and
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: be like, we got to get you to talk to people.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Let's make it a hobby. Let's just pull back a bit.
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: You know? I think, If I love anything enough to
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: go to the woods for it, it's time for me
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: to think about it. It's too much. It's too much love.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I'm not going to the woods for anything. No, I
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: think I've gone too far. Yeah. And I mean, and
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: shout out to y'all people out there. Have y'all been
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: hearing about these Alpine divorces? Don't go to the woods
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: with no man. Don't go to the woods with no man.
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: They'll leave you right there. They'll leave you right there.
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: Right there. Where you stand. Yep, just to die. They
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: be like, a bird. Look. And they just like, I
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: gotta go. I'm down. Just fucking chopping it. Leaving your ass. No, no, no, no.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: Anything but break up or have a direct conversation. Like,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: I really need out of this relationship. Leave her in
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: the woods? Yeah, why don't you go look at the summit?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: Take a picture. And then I just will run. Babe,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: let's go diving. You know, it's gotten to the point where, like,
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: a lot of, like, vacation spots, like, where people do
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: the scuba diving and stuff, they don't let partners dive
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: together as partners. Wow. Yeah, like, some boats have a
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: policy where they're like, you have to go out with, like,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: this other diver or whatever. You can't go out with
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: your wife because people's out there kind of loose. Dang. Like,
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: it's so sad how many guardrails we have to have
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: for men. We can't make them stop doing the thing.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: We just have to be like, yeah. Just separate them.
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: They're just doing too many murders. Yeah, this is the
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: part of the hiking trail where it's split by gender. Yeah,
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: they don't let the men go up to the peak
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: no more. So too many people started falling off by accident.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Falling off, so we had to change it up.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Which, it is, I've honestly watched like four documentaries I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: feel like in the last like about husbands who push
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: their wives off a mountain.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And try to be like, she slipped. It's becoming
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: a real trend. And we don't need that as a trend.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: So again, don't go to the woods. Yeah, don't go
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: to the woods. Nothing is, you don't need to be
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: passionate enough about, and that's how we should know because like,
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: big tech, one of their favorite things to do is
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: take people to the woods. To the woods. Yeah. That's
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: how we should have known. That's how we should have known.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you wear a turtleneck all the time. Why
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: are we in the woods? What's up with that? To
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: talk about integration. Yeah. ChatGPT did that. They took a
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: bunch of influencers to the woods. Yeah, to the woods.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: Why'd you take him to the woods? And these influencers
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: didn't even get paid for that shit. They got like
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: a free hotel and like food and maybe some swag. Yeah,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: some swag stuff. For them to come out there and
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: sell their souls in the woods.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: And probably like a free lifetime subscription to ChatGPT Plus
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: Right. They probably didn't get that. They probably gave them tokens.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: They're trying to get everybody hooked.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: And then once you can't not use it anymore because
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: life didn't function before it. Yeah. They can't think anymore. Right.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: And I think that people are treating AI like it
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: would be like the telephone, like the cell phone. Like,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: I absolutely understand that we probably none of us would
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: ever want to go back to landlines because reaching people
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: is definitely a lot easier with a cell phone. I
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: don't feel that way about AI. No. They always brought
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: me nothing that I was like, oh, this is necessary.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: Couldn't live without it.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: I can continue to do all of my jobs, my
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: functions as I did before 2022.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Look at this picture of me as an old
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: timey sheriff. Goodness. Here I am photoshopped in a photo
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: with Beyonce. I have eight toes on my ear. Like,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: what are we doing? I could photoshop badly before. I
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: can do that for people. You don't need to use ChatGPT.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: And also, there's a lot of artistic integrity in Photoshopping badly. Yeah.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: You know? I want to be able to tell it's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: Photoshopped sometimes. It's Photoshopped.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 2: I like seeing, like, that person really put an effort
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 2: to make it look like Justin Bieber is their boyfriend.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: And I like that. That's art. And that's, yeah, that's
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: all I need. I don't need these scenarios and, you know, the...
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: fake make this person naked oh my god oh no
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: this shit under the ground please all of it that
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: should be a meg that's where we agree we hate
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: ai too and you know what we do think there's
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: someone that's trying to sabotage you and that person is
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 1: meg is.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: Meg slash your leg it's way around because it's you.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: It's you look in a mirror babe there is someone
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: trying to sabotage you yeah you gotta yourself.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah take a look at the woman in the mirror
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: you gotta change your.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Ways girl it's It's time. It's time. No message could
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: have been any clearer, okay? When you had six angry
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: people in front of you begging for food. Yeah, you
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: got to make a change right now. So, refunds have
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: not been processed, though. Megan giving them coins. And we
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: know she at least walked with, like, probably, I would
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: say $ 3, 000 in profit. Yeah, probably $ 3, 000. Like, $ 400 in incidentals, maybe.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: She did get them some bread. For the sandwiches.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, PB & J, cheat meats.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: So here's Meg's response to Smut Whisperer. Yes, what does
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Meg have to say? So after the scam weekend, Meg
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: blamed her mental health disorders, including bipolar disorder, for what happened.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: She said Western medicine doesn't work for her and that
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: she uses plants instead. Like the cacao. Like the cacao.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: I see. But then shouldn't she have been very centered? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I love that. Continue. No, I was going to ask
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: questions here, too. One thing that's very frustrating to me
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: about people who rail against Western medicine, some of it
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: I do think like we are overprescribing. There are some
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: like Eastern medicines that I use that work very well.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: And I would argue better than like an anxiety pill
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Like I do like cupping and
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: I like acupuncture and things like that. However, like if
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: I was like diagnosed with a serious disease, I'm not
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: going to be like, yeah, put the cups on me. No,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: I'm probably going to be like, yeah, we can get
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: an MRI machine. We can do some medicines. Some medicines
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: we can do. And people were always like, I do
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: my own research. I'm like, where are you doing this research?
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: Because they have institutions with like laboratories. That's their whole job. Researchers.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: That's all they're doing. Who got a job in Research Inc. And,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: you know, that's their job. Yeah. But you're getting on
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: the internet and you're just like eating what's in your backyard. Science. Yeah. Science.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: And yeah. Nothing annoys me more. And I always say,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, look, if you don't believe in science, then
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: never call an ambulance. Right. Because what can what can
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: what can a hospital do that you can't go home?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: Stay home. Yeah. Don't go to the doctor. We don't
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: vaccinate our kids, but we do get Botox and Juvederm. Yeah.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: Where did things come from? Oh, they all it's always that. Oh,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: my gosh. Always that. Or, like, you're in the ambulance.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 1: I know you're not, like, 12 cc's of what? Let
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 1: me see. See that. I want to do my research first.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: Let me taste a little bit of it before you
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: put the IV bag up. Like, what are you going
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: to do? Like, so just believe in science. Just believe
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: in science.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: But, I mean, apparently her cacao moment did not help
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: settle her through this weekend.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: It didn't. Also, where the hell was she getting this
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: maple syrup if it wasn't going to be from the store? Yeah.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Because she said the only time that we have her
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: coming out was, like, she went to the grocery store.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: And she also went to get this maple syrup. Well,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: the food that she was trying to make people pay for.
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know what she was doing. Anyway, so her response,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: you know, she says she uses Western medicine. She's bipolar,
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: but she don't really fuck with that. So she has
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: some sea moss or some roots or something. Yeah. I
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: could actually see this in a certain state of mania,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: maybe planning this retreat. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe she booked the Airbnb.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: But planning a retreat, promoting it, creating a website. You
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: weren't in media that whole time.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so many steps to continue promoting it.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: And I feel like we can't blame everything on mental health.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, two things can be true, though. You can
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: be mentally ill and also a shit person. You know,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: bad things happen to bad people. Yes. All the time.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: so we don't have to give them sympathy because a
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: bad thing happened to them no so Meg I'm sorry
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: like yeah Meg yeah I'm like I just we're not
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: gonna let you include the bipolar community on this because
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of bipolar people who are having
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 1: wonderful lives you know and definitely aren't robbing people blind
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: or trapping them in the woods with no food and
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: they're making plans and following through yeah and if they
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: say there's food there's food there's food yeah so I
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: think I think Meg this is something else Yeah, you
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: tried it. I mean, to put it in perspective, I
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: think when people try to use their mental health to excuse, like,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: very planned out, thoughtful, bad behavior like this, it's like
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: if somebody stopped me and was like, Liz, you did
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: this book, Firefest, and I'd be like, I got a
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: restless leg. I didn't do none of this. None of it, yeah.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: My shaky leg, you see it? Yeah. That's why I
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: robbed y'all. That's why. Come on. It wasn't my fault. Like, yeah. Like,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: what are you saying? Like, no.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: If it had been like, oh, she planned this. She
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: clearly put in all the work. And then that weekend, like,
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: she just wasn't there mentally to, like, make it happen.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: But there was food. There was evidence that, like, she
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: had enough beds for everybody. Then I'd be like, okay.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: But girl, this sounds like you just wanted to steal
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: $ 3, 000 and get away with it. And it sounds like
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: you were fully prepared to steal the money from the
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: moment that you walked in late to the event. That's
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: why she started that betrayal shit. Betrayal shit. I don't
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: even know if you actually are, if you actually have bipolar.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: Because it feels like maybe you're giving us a Tyler
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: Perry version of what you think people who have bipolar
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: would act like. Would act like and do. Because you
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: immediately walked into the function and was like, what are
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: you will betray me? Betray me tonight. Like, you were
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: setting up your alibi. I kind of.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: Feel like she's like, actually, you guys showing up to
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: the thing that I did not really plan is betraying me.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: You all were supposed to cancel. Like, that's, I think,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: what she was hoping for. Maybe that's why she was late.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: She was like, what? People came? Like, y'all took me seriously? Oh,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: my gosh.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: I didn't think y'all would actually show up.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: Wow. Okay.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: I'll go get some BB & J. We're the book community.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: You didn't want to stay home and read your book
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: at home? This is really on you guys. Yeah, because
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: you want to be amongst people? That's crazy. That's crazy.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So, she also repeatedly explained that someone
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: has been pretending to be her dream man using AI,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: and that's why she did this. Okay, walk with me. Swerve. Okay. Okay.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: Meg's being catfished? Okay. We got to get Neve on
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: the case? She did bring up AI a lot. So
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: maybe she just wasn't connecting the dots for people. She
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: was like, what have you betrayed me? And maybe she's
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: thinking the catfish, was this her Neve setup? Yeah. And
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: she was trying to get the catfish. She was like,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: it's one of these six people. One of these six
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: people is my AI dream man, and I'm going to
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: figure it out this weekend. Oh. So this was actually
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: a punishment. Agenda. Yeah.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: That, I would have more support for her if that
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: was the truth.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: I do, too. Honestly, if that was her plan, okay.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: Now I'm like, Meg, write the book. I want to
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: read it. Honestly, I've got to, yeah. Like, this was
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: your plan to trap your AI boyfriend? Someone. Lure the
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: six bookish people you're closest to to a cabin in
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah. Starve them. Starve them.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Until one of them admits to being your AI boyfriend. Yes,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: and limit the beds. That way some people are going
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: to have to get in the same bed.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Same bed. Who's getting in the bed with me? AI boyfriend.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: AI boyfriend. Me.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: And then message your AI boyfriend and if somebody's phone
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: goes off.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, be like, we're playing a game. Everybody put your
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: phone on a ringer. Yeah. Okay, Meg. But this is
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: another reason why she did this, which you understand. So....
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not really understanding why a fake AI
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: boyfriend would make you throw a book retreat, but.
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: You haven't used AI enough.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's on me. That is on me, not getting.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: Because once you use it enough, this makes sense. This
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: makes sense.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Like, she probably asked Chad to... Should I do a
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: book retreat? Would my AI boyfriend think that's so cool?
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: That sounds like a great thing to do, Meg Celestial.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: That's not just a great idea. It's a wonderful idea. M-dash. M-dash. Yeah. Well,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: nobody else is on her side either. They're not believing,
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: you know, the mental health or the quest to find
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: the fake AI boyfriend through book retreat entrapment. Not working
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: for people. But Meg does have a November retreat that's
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: already sold out. No. Mm-hmm. No. And... So the first
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: week of November in Salem, Massachusetts is already sold out.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: And this is Melanie R. Molinar who says, In Salem,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: the week after Halloween, it already sounds like a disaster.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: Her advertisement for this says they will be staying somewhere
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: drivable distance from Salem. I'm really curious where she's planning.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: Salem isn't a working class part of Massachusetts. Most of
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: the fun stuff to do is Halloween based, which won't
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: be there for... I'm reading this person, so there's a
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: grammar thing here, but they won't be there for is
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: what they're saying. And then the part pertaining to the
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: Salem witch trials will take place on an afternoon, not days. Oh, yeah.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: So Meg clearly has never been to Salem, but is
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: trying to do Book Spooky. Yes. Spooky book. And her
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: timing's already off. A week after Halloween. Girlie. Halloween's still
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: in the air in Salem, though. Sure, sure. Because it's
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: witchy there. Yeah, it's witchy. So they have lingering pre-Thanksgiving
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: cauldron energy. Yeah, sure. I'll let that pass. Yeah. Clearly
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: it was booked up for Halloween. She couldn't get that Airbnb.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 1: She couldn't get it to happen then. And so we'll
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: give it to her. And I think she wanted Salem proper,
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: but then it was too expensive. So now she's like drivable. Drivable. Technically,
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: I can drive from California to Florida. Is that drive-able?
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can be in Massachusetts and be two and
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: a half hours from Salem.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: So that's drivable, but... I would like some details, Meg.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: And I would imagine in the book community, words would
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: hold even more heft. Yeah. Because words mean things.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Diction is important.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: So drivable is carrying way too much water here. It's
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: too heavy.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: And yeah, Salem is a very boring place.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Hocus Pocus really oversold it to us.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: It really did. And if you really watch Hocus Pocus
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: as a millennial and you look at the vibes, it
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: was only really one party for adults cracking that whole time. Yeah,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: the whole time. And everybody was there. Yeah. Yeah. And otherwise,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: it's not that great. Otherwise, they were just on the
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: street in the woods. Honestly, really nothing that spooky about
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: a cemetery because everybody there is dead. Probably one of
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: the safest places to be at. And the Salem Witch
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: Trial Museum, yeah, that is an afternoon. Yeah, it's an afternoon.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: It's so quick. Like, did she think they was going
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: to have the galleys out really trying witches? We're going
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: to do this this week?
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: No, we're not having a trial, man.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: She think they swept the crystal shops and rounded the
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: benches up and was like, yeah.
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: It's straight up, I'd say, two hours.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You walk through, this was them. Of history. Yeah.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: They made a book. Maybe this is where Bette Midler
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: had ice cream one time. Yeah. Shooting Hocus Pocus. Hocus Pocus. Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: That's pretty much the whole thing. Yeah. Are they bookbinding?
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: Not here. She probably can't afford that. But she said,
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: I'm giving you drivable this time. We're getting drivable. And
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: I'm giving you post-spooky. We will definitely see people taking
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: down decorations. Okay. We're going to.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: Get that post-spooky Salem feel.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: Spend an afternoon at a museum. That's when the witchery
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: is at its highest. It's reached a fever pitch.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: It's after Halloween. That's when the real witches are like,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: the fake witches are on.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Now we get real with it. It's a
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: performative holiday for fake witches on Halloween. And Meg saw that.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Meg saw that. She saw that. She's a visionary. OK,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: so final thoughts on this episode. We do see here
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: that in November, this retreat, you know, this post-Hollywood boogie woogie,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: it is sold out. And how do you feel about
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: it being sold out? Why is it sold out? Why
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: is it sold out, BookTok? Why are you trusting Meg
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: with this? I think at this point you want to.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I don't like to victim blame, but you
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: want to get scammed. I think you're going for the story.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: It's like Caroline Calloway, that other New York author scammer.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: You know we know about her. She's still running scams.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: People still buy tickets to her events. Because she has
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest scripts. And honestly, if I was
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: a blonde, thin white woman, I would do the exact
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: same thing.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Like, why waste it? Why waste it? If people are
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: just going to believe me anyway, I don't give a fuck.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: But the scam of her thing, which is why she
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: won't end up in jail, just kind of like Sean
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: King's thing, where it's like, Oh, I told you I
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: was providing a good and a service and you gave
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: me money and then you wanted the good and the service? Oh, no,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: I'm just a girl. Yeah. I'm just a girl. Why
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: did you think that wouldn't overwhelm me all the orders? Oh,
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: my God. My titties didn't think of a product. You
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: wanted a product?
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: You thought I was going to write the book. I
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: said I was going to write and sell you.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: Oh. That's on you a bit. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: said things. And you gave me money. But, like, anybody
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: can say anything for money.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: And I just, I don't think Meg is going to
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: learn from this. Now the second one is sold out.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: She's already, and I mean, she's scamming people, six people
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: at a time.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah. You know, honestly, pretty good grip. It's a good grip.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: If she keeps it at $ 900, she walks away with $ 2, 000,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: she's at least paying rent per retreat. Yeah, retreat. And
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: she only has to get six suckers on the hook.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: Six suckers.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: And I'm sure she can do that with book talk, honestly.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: Fuck Six Sigma. We got six suckers. That's all we need.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: The six sucker, like, y'all, don't. Why do you need
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: to go read the books in Salem with Meg? Like, what?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man. This also kind of feels very
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: cool if I was, like, a book elitist to be like,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: I go on these woodland retreats. Oh, yeah. A book retreat.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: It's just five of the most bookish people, you know,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: and me. We just read in the woods. I learned
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: how to bind books. Yeah. Yeah, at this point, I
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: really don't even need the bookstore. I just make them myself,
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: and it's wonderful. Yeah. I have one of those cages
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: like Joe from You. Keeps all my books fresh. It's
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: nice and fresh. Yeah, and only books, never people. I'm hostaging.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: Just me, just the books. Okay, if y'all go on this, honestly,
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: I would go for the plot a little bit. I would.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: I actually am curious now. I'm like, does she have
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: another website? What weird, strange cabin are they going to
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: have to share beds in now?
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to share a bed. I need
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: my own private room in the cabin, please. But I
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: do want to be there. And I want to start
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 1: rumors of sabotage.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: Is she going to have food this time? She's definitely
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: going to come in with the sabotage feeling energy. I
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: think now she's like, they're watching me.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 1: That's how you set people up to know that there's
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: about to be some tomfoolery. You got to act just
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: as crazy as possible in the beginning. Don't slow roll it. Yeah, no.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: Come in crazy. Expectations can only go down from there. Exactly.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: So by the time you're coming in with PB & J,
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: people are like.
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a step up. At least she got food.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: We're hungry, so we'll wait and watch her dog. She
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 1: locked Lisa in a broom closet this morning, so at
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: least she's feeding us now. This is better. No, you know,
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: she's done with her cacao ceremonies. Right. Still, okay. What
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: if I did a writer's retreat, but I treated it
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: like misery? Like, I was the misery lady, and I just, like,
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: locked all these writers. I was like, you're going to
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: be so inspired to write. You're going to finish that feature.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: You're going to finish your novel and everything, because I'm
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: going to be, like, locking you in a room. Locking
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: you in a room. Like, maybe breaking your leg.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: Tying you to a bed. And if you don't hit
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: your page numbers, yeah, I'm breaking your ankles. like i'm
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: so sorry.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's motivational i could come up with some words
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: that would work yeah yeah i feel i mean i
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: don't feel bad for anyone involved here.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: No i like yeah even the people who gave their
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: 900 like even at certain points they're like we just
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: decided to stay like it's like you could have gone
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: you could have been like bust i'm gonna go to
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: a hotel They stayed for the story at a certain point.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah. And honestly, if you're looking to
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: be more social or you're super bookish, what's better than
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: a book story that also is entertaining?
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: Tell that at dinner parties. Tell that when you meet people.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: And I bet those six people, they're best friends now.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: I bet they're so close.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: Trauma bonded for sure.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: Yes, for life.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: They all hate that woman together. So, you know, you
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: lost $ 900, but you made some new friends. You did.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: And you know, one thing is safe to say, I
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: think black people were marked safe from this event. Yeah.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: I was not worried for our people with this one. Yeah,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: as soon as they said $ 900. Actually, $ 900 is not
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: going to take us out because we stimulate the economy,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: especially black women. True, true. We'll go on a trip. Yeah.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: And we'll go on a solo trip. Yeah.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: We'll do a writer's retreat.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: Woods. Woods.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: And then you're hyping a photography in the session wood
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 2: fantasy thing.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Photography in woods. With fantasies. Yeah. Because already I'm like.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: With white people having fantasies in woods and I'm there
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: and I'm black in the woods with the white people
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: with the fantasies in the woods. You're not going to
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: know how to light my skin. Yeah. I was more
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: so thinking something far more sinister. Let's go with lighting.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: They're not going to have the proper lighting. Yeah, you're right.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Let's go with lighting. Let's go with lighting. Yes, that's
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: exactly what I would be worried about. Yeah. Yeah, but
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: all in all, I don't think anybody truly got hurt here. Again,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: I don't like interpersonal scamming, scam corporations, scam faceless entities
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: that are robbing us blind every single day. I will
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: support you. Not smutty moms.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Smutty Whispers. Smut Whisperer.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Smut Whisperer, yes. Don't scam her. Don't scam Smutgasm. She's
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: an aspiring writer. Yes. And she's funny. Yes. Go scam
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: Audible or Amazon or something. My macchiato ain't tasting the
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: same since you scammed her. No, no. Don't do that
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: to my queen. To my girl. To my them, my
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: non-binary icon. Who gave us all of the tea. Who
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: told us what was up. Exactly. Gave us all the
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: tea in an orderly fashion. Yeah. Found out how much
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: they are being because then they did the math before
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: we did. I still don't understand how no one is
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: like how they are. There's just not threads complaining about
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: the sleeping situation. Like, I don't know how that's not
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: an entire. It was not mentioned. Now for six people,
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: if we have three rooms and there's two beds. And
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: a couch. Yeah. So two of the rooms sleep two each.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: So that's four. And then there's one in each room.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: That's five. And we have a couch. So technically everybody
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: could sleep in their own space. Oh, I thought there
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: was just the two twin beds. I think that was
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: in one room. But there was three bedrooms total. So
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: there were two bedrooms with two twin beds. And then
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: one bedroom with one bed. And I'm sure Meg got
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: that one. Let's be real. Right. Meg got that room.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: If she was really scamming, she would have upcharged for
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: that room and took the couch. Exactly. But hey. Oh,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: now she's going to do that this November. This November
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: she's going to be like, I just sleep in my car.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: She puts everyone in the cabin. She keeps sleeping in
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: her car. She just comes in.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: She brought my shampoo. She just drops some bread off
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: and leaves.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: Meg, I think you have a solid hustle going here.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: Just tricking five people. Sounds like nothing too nefarious would work.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know how your cacao ceremony was creepy, but
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: I could imagine maybe if people are bookbinding and he's
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: teaching like a craft and a skill, and he's like,
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: everyone lay the book facing this way. And on the
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: right side, we're going to put the paste or whatever.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: And then she's just in the corner like, Najira Mumba.
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: That is how I'm kind of envisioning it. It's like
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: in the background right behind him.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: There's also not Mestiza.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like she's just like, I don't know, being covered
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: in chocolate or something by strangers.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm picturing. And they're all just like, girl,
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: what are you doing? Like she's drinking it, but like
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: letting it spill down the sides of her mouth. I
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: think that's definitely part of it. They're over here like
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: making books. She's just like the nectar. The nectar. Yeah,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: you're right. Yeah. It could get creepy very easily. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, well,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: you know what, Celestial Meg, you stay in the clouds.
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: And I love that she never apologized, never addressed it,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: just mental illness.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: I have an AI boyfriend. Come join me this November.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: But don't betray me. Don't betray her. Do not betray
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: Celestial Meg. Okay. All right. Well, that brings us to
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: the end of a fantastic episode, Ashley. We always like
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: to ask you, where would you like to be found?
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: People can see you perform, your socials, everything.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you can follow me at TheAshleyRay everywhere.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Very entertaining.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: If you're in L.A., you can come to my live
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: show every Sunday at Cheetah House Comedy in Silver Lake.
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 2: And yeah, just follow me. I'm always posting stuff.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: I love it. You can follow me at D-I-V-A-L-A-C-I-D, Valacia
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: on all platforms. If you want, for now, I do
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: talk to people on threads. Like, Threads is the only
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: app where, like, I'll talk back and forth on Instagram. So,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: scam guys, plot on Instagram if you want to see
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: the photos and everything like that. But on Threads, I
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: might have a little convo with you. Threads is actually
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: kind of popping a little bit. Right now, it's been
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: sequestered enough to where it feels like I'm in the
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: same reading group. Yeah. You know what I mean?
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: Like once you find like your kind of themes and
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: you're like, okay, these are the cool people to talk
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 2: to about Love Island. Like, okay, I got my situation
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: on there now.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: The whole purpose of the conversation is not to be
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: right or wrong. We may just be sharing observations or
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: opinions or I might have my mind changed by someone
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: or learn a new fact. It's been great for my ADHD.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: ADHD hack out there for y'all that I've been doing.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 1: There's so many. There's so much of that on threads.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: Household tasks. I wear house shoes in my house while
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: I'm doing household tasks and it makes me get more
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: done because like having a shoe on my foot makes
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: me feel like I need to be doing stuff. I saw. Yeah.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Even if it's stuff for me, even if it's like laundry.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: But now this is my job. I'm a little laundry
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: lady at my laundry job. I got shoes on. Yeah.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: I got shoes on. I kind of like that. I
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: don't know. It works for me.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of tips like that on threads that
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: are like pretty legit. And then you open Twitter and
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 2: it's like, oh, right, this wants to destroy me.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: And I literally don't talk to people about threads because
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: I want to gatekeep it. But I feel like if
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: you listen to this podcast, and I've met a lot
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: of you in purpose, then you're cool enough to go
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: to threads. You read enough. You can come. You're not
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: on the other half of the country reading below a
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: sixth grade level, which is half of our country. That's
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: 150 million people. We should be scared. We should be scared.
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: They let them drive a boat. Yep. Yeah. And they
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: can't read good. They can't. They can't even type. Yeah.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: But you know what? The illiterate are much safer from
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: this scam, baby. Yes. You are not losing 900 bucks. No.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: Not this way. You're probably giving it to that orange man,
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: but you're not losing it for books. You're not for books.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: Not this time. Sometimes we do get saved. Well, yes.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: You can follow us on all those platforms. Get Scam
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: Goddess wherever you get your books. Audiobooks. I'm not a snob.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of readers say audiobooking is not reading.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: You tell people you read my book if you heard
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: it through your ear hole. Yeah. Yeah, and it's me.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: That counts. Yeah, it counts. I'll say you read it.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: I've written some audiobooks. So. Right. But it's like, it's
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: not even a book. I wrote an audio narrative. So
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: it's like, this is just a radio play. I wrote
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: an audio. An audio. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It's just
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: a radio play. Have we reverted back to when people
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: used to sit in front of the radio and listen
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: to stories? I hope so. Is that what this podcast is? Basically.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: That's what I was. Yeah. Story radio. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: That's basically what audio narratives are. Audible is trying to
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: make them happen.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: You can listen. I feel so like Gen Z, Gen
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: Alpha right now. You know where they rediscover stuff that
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: was like a thing. Oh my God. This is awesome.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: I thought we were doing podcasting. So different. No, this
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: is talking radio. It's just talking radio. Yeah. Okay, I
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: could have survived the olden times. Yes. See?
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you wouldn't be on the Sunset Strip like that
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 2: lady who couldn't make it in talkies.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Right. No. No. Yeah. In the pictures. In the pictures. Oh,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: I love that. Wow. Ashley, what a way to end
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: this episode. Yeah.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: And I will just drop, if you like audio narratives,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: mine with Kiki Palmer drops on Audible August 23rd. It's
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: called Bereavement Committee. Bereavement Committee with Kiki Palmer.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: You already know that's going to be lit. It's very funny. Yes. Oh,
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the names of anyone right now, but
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: so many famous people, you love her in it. Yes.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: And bereavement sounds like it's about to be.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Bereavement Committee, it is an anti-AI story that Amazon let
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: us tell.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: That Amazon let you tell. No. It's, you know. Oh,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: Jeff is so funny. Q-Ball, he is. Love him. He's
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: so funny. Okay? He evil, but he funny. But yeah,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: give us more seasons. Yes, give us all the seasons.
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: We love Q-Ball. We love you. Love that guy. Love him. Oh, well, congregation,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: I want y'all to get out there. Stay bookish. Yeah.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: If you're not bookish, get bookish. Get bookish. You don't
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: have to start with war and peace. No. You know?
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 1: You start easy. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: Captain Underpants.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: Captain Underpants. Clifford, the red dog. Yeah. He was the blood.
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: Learn about his gang activity, okay? Okay, Clifford. Clifford. Yeah, okay,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: we're going to leave you with that. Yeah, I think
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: that's a good place to end it, right there. Yeah!