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Ep. 739: Sunday Hunting and Sage Grouse | MeatEater Radio Live! · The MeatEater Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Smell us now, lady, Welcome to Meet Eater Trivia podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Meet Eater Radio Live. I'm your host, Brody Henderson,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm joined today by Cringe Schneider and Seth Morris.
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  Speaker 2: It's eleven o'clock here in Bozeman, uh, and it's nine
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  Speaker 2: am out on Prince of Wales Island. We were just
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  Speaker 2: talking about going out to the fish shack, so that's
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  Speaker 2: what time it is out there. That's that we're headed
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  Speaker 2: out there soon. Today we're gonna be talking with Adam
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  Speaker 2: Eckley from Pennsylvania Backcountry Hunters and Anglers about Sunday hunting
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  Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania. We're gonna talk with Ted Cook from the
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  Speaker 2: North American Grouse Partnership about sage grouse and some other
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  Speaker 2: small other stuff. And we'll also be sharing a hot
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  Speaker 2: tip off and we're gonna do a Crue Top three segment.
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  Speaker 2: Before we get to all that stuff, I gotta let
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  Speaker 2: you know that it's time for round two of our
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  Speaker 2: Moulti trail Cam photo contest.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, This one is a little different than the last one,
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  Speaker 2: which is like weird funny photos. This time we want
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  Speaker 2: your best velvet buck trail cam photos. I've been driving
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  Speaker 2: to work lately, and I drive through a couple miles
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  Speaker 2: of farm country. You know, there's this one alfalfa field
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  Speaker 2: where there's three like really nice velvet white tail bucks
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  Speaker 2: right now, and I like a surprised, like how far
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  Speaker 2: along they were in like antler development, Three big ones man,
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  Speaker 2: and they'll never get shot. They're living where they won't
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  Speaker 2: get hunted. But anyway, send us your velvet buck trail
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  Speaker 2: cam photos. This time we're doing it different. You need
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  Speaker 2: to go to the mediater dot com website and look
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  Speaker 2: for trailcam photo contests. We'll have an article up there
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  Speaker 2: and you submit through that. And this is all for
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  Speaker 2: next week show July thirty first next I'm not even
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  Speaker 2: sure I think we got like some some Southerners in
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  Speaker 2: here for that show. We feel we did.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we got, we got Clay and Tony is it?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, we just got I was gonna say, if you
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  Speaker 3: got all sellers, you need like a translator in here.
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  Speaker 2: Some big white tail guys, let's call it. Let's say
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  Speaker 2: that big whitetail guys in here next week.
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  Speaker 3: So we'll we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: What we get, what comes in for those photos, and
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  Speaker 2: we'll select a few of them, and those guys are
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  Speaker 2: going to pick a winner and you'll get an awesome
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  Speaker 2: package from Moultrie and some of our other partners.
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  Speaker 5: That sounds like a really nice winning.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I've never owned a trail cam.
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  Speaker 5: Really no, well, I'm with you there too, So my wife.
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  Speaker 2: Wants my wife wants me to get one. Just put
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  Speaker 2: next to the bird feeder.
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  Speaker 3: That'd be fun to watch.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Anyway, you guys are back back from Safari and Tanzania.
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  Speaker 3: Feels like we've been we were gone forever.
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  Speaker 5: For a lifetime. Back and bitten. How are your a
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  Speaker 5: Tetsi fly bites healing up?
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  Speaker 3: Seth Oh, I'm all good on the tests fly.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I got to and that you mentioned those things.
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  Speaker 2: When I was a kid, there's this thing that like
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  Speaker 2: if you got bit by a Tezzi fly, you were
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  Speaker 2: just gonna fall over and just be dead. Really, it
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  Speaker 2: was like this weird thing like surrounding Tezsi flies. How
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  Speaker 2: do you do you say Tetsi or what I've heard?
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  Speaker 3: I heard both yeah and you both. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just remember it like, oh my god, you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: die if you go there and get bit by a fly.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we would be most certainly dead. If that was
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  Speaker 3: the case, we got bit by one hundred.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Is it like a painful bite? Yeah, some of them
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  Speaker 2: hurts when they get your hurts like afterwards.
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  Speaker 3: It depends what some of them when they bite you,
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  Speaker 3: it's like getting electrocuted for some reason. They make.
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  Speaker 5: Bigger yeah. Yeah, and they're hard to kill, like they
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  Speaker 5: have pretty tough exoskeletons. So we were told to slap
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  Speaker 5: and smear, and that's how you kill them against a surface.
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  Speaker 2: Are they slow enough you can get them?
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  Speaker 3: No? Apparently this is what Rick Smith was telling me.
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  Speaker 3: Apparently when you go to slap them, they can feel
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  Speaker 3: the pressure change and they fly. So it was kind
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  Speaker 3: of hard to just like smack them.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have to wait for them to like I found.
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  Speaker 3: Coming in from the side and like almost grabbing them
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  Speaker 3: out of the air when they go to take off.
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  Speaker 3: That was like the best way to get them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you survived.
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  Speaker 3: Anti oh Elephant ship burning old Elephant ship.
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  Speaker 2: In like like insect repellent.
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  Speaker 3: It was like the best repellent that week.
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  Speaker 5: The hot tip from.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah set before you left, Man, you were not too
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  Speaker 2: excited to be going on it. You were bombed missing
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  Speaker 2: WALLLEYE season all that, But so I got to ask you, like,
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  Speaker 2: after spending more than two weeks there, like, what's your
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  Speaker 2: opinion now?
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, overall it was a cool trip. The coolest
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  Speaker 3: part was just seeing the culture and and like hanging
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  Speaker 3: out with the people there, the trackers and stuff. The
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  Speaker 3: whole safari hunting thing is still it's not my cup
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  Speaker 3: of tea. Our experience, I will say, was probably different
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  Speaker 3: than most people's experience because we so how the safari
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  Speaker 3: went there was there's two vehicles. Front one had Steve
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  Speaker 3: and the camera dudes and trackers, and then the back vehicle,
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  Speaker 3: which Karina and I spent all of our time in,
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  Speaker 3: was like the overflow vehicle and around for eleven hours
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  Speaker 3: a day just eating dust like.
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  Speaker 2: You Oh yeah, you guys are in the We didn't.
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  Speaker 3: See ship because like the front vehicle spooks all the
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  Speaker 3: animals before you get there.
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  Speaker 5: It's just it was so they had a different, different
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  Speaker 5: experience what we experienced. So it was you know, anyone,
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  Speaker 5: I think probably going on safari at various various countries
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  Speaker 5: in Africa would probably have more of a first vehicle
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  Speaker 5: experience than our second vehicle experience. But yeah, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: at the we were we were in an area the
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  Speaker 5: size of Yellowstone National Park, right, and you can't you
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  Speaker 5: can't exactly just set off from camp and imagine to
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  Speaker 5: get very far and like do spot in stock So
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  Speaker 5: it's you know, you close the distance between you and
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  Speaker 5: game yep, and looking for tracks and then following tracks.
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  Speaker 5: So the methods of different.
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  Speaker 3: So there was days where like you know, the the
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  Speaker 3: front vehicle would be like, oh, we saw this, this, this, this,
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  Speaker 3: and this, and we were like, yeah, we saw like
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  Speaker 3: some grasshoppers and ye, a couple birds.
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  Speaker 5: We focused on a praying mantis. We had a lot
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  Speaker 5: of fun watching.
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  Speaker 3: Really.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well do you have any like set Did you
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  Speaker 2: have any like like the coolest or most surprising moment
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  Speaker 2: or experience, Like would you say it was the culture?
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  Speaker 2: Was there something that stuck out for you?
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  Speaker 3: It was totally the culture. Yeah. We went to a
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  Speaker 3: village the one day and gave some meat to a
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  Speaker 3: family that one of the guys who worked for Robert
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  Speaker 3: Robert Hurd Savaris, he had what sixteen kids.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, fourteen or sixteen up there all this thing, and so.
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  Speaker 3: We went to the local village where they lived and
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  Speaker 3: dropped meat off to that family the one day and
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  Speaker 3: I was cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Karin, I heard there. Or if maybe you guys
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  Speaker 2: weren't present when this happened, what I gotta bring it
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  Speaker 2: up just because who was involved. There were some run
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  Speaker 2: ins with some potentially deadly creatures. H Dirt Myth, who
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  Speaker 2: famously like rowed on top of the back of a
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  Speaker 2: charging brown bear for a short period of time, also
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  Speaker 2: got charged by black Mamba on this trip.
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  Speaker 5: They they come for him, so we weren't. The one
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  Speaker 5: of the deadly snakes that we did see was a
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  Speaker 5: puff adder. It's a very slow moving, large fat bush.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: No, it was kind of you know, going across the
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  Speaker 5: road and going back into into cover, and we we
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  Speaker 5: kept our distance. But that apparently if you do get bitten,
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  Speaker 5: like you're you're done. And the black Mamba incident we
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  Speaker 5: were not present for.
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  Speaker 2: We were vehicle, yeah, which is okay, but dirt because
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  Speaker 2: those things are like sue aggressive, like they'll chase you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Just just hearing, just hearing people describe what the
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  Speaker 5: behavior tendencies of this snake are. It's terrifying because you
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  Speaker 5: don't really think of a snake as being like an
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  Speaker 5: attack predator, you know, and so this snake kind of
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  Speaker 5: got like it. I guess it was there. They're territorial
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  Speaker 5: around their area, so I guess the first truck. You know,
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  Speaker 5: it felt threatened by the first truck as it was
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  Speaker 5: like crossing the road. And then it apparently turned around
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  Speaker 5: and and and stood up and almost got on like
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  Speaker 5: the front hood of of the truck, and dirt was
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  Speaker 5: I guess sitting on the roof rack and and filming,
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  Speaker 5: so that that was the scare there and and then uh,
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  Speaker 5: and then the snake turned around apparently and like one
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  Speaker 5: of the trackers ran after it. That's that's what you saw,
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  Speaker 5: like SELMANI with a with a stick and a machete
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  Speaker 5: or was it just the stick? Yeah, he was, he
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  Speaker 5: was looking for it.
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  Speaker 2: No thanks man crazy. Well, I'm sure we'll be getting
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  Speaker 2: a lot of good footage from all that stuff at
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  Speaker 2: some point.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that will those episodes will probably drop what this winter.
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  Speaker 3: Right for something? Drop? Yes, two or three episodes.
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  Speaker 2: S day tuned guys, Well cool, we should probably move
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  Speaker 2: on to other stuff. Phil, do we got Adam on
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  Speaker 2: the line yet.
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  Speaker 4: Adam's on the line. Sorry, I thought you're going to
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  Speaker 4: queu him up first.
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  Speaker 2: There he is, I'll quum up. Now we've got Adam Eckley,
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  Speaker 2: who is the Pennsylvania b h A chapter chair here
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  Speaker 2: with us today, and Adam, man, let's get straight to
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  Speaker 2: the big news out of Pennsylvania for for all the
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  Speaker 2: people out there who like aren't aware going back many decades.
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  Speaker 2: Adam made know the exact time period, but I think
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  Speaker 2: it's maybe one hundred years back. Sunday hunting was illegal
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  Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania under what's called a blue law, which is
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  Speaker 2: like these these laws that were originally implemented to ban
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  Speaker 2: certain activities on Sundays to encourage church attendance. There's some
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  Speaker 2: other details surrounding blue laws of it. That's like the
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  Speaker 2: basic gist of it. And in recent years there's been
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  Speaker 2: a big push to legalize Sunday hunting in Pennsylvania. And
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  Speaker 2: I think a few years ago they finally got like
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  Speaker 2: through state legislators finally approved Sunday hunting for three Sundays
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  Speaker 2: each fall. Adam, is that correct?
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  Speaker 6: That's correct?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, And now.
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  Speaker 2: Finally just a couple of weeks ago, Pennsylvania's governor signed
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  Speaker 2: a bill into a lot that allows hunting on all Sundays.
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  Speaker 2: And it's a really big win for hunters, especially like
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  Speaker 2: working stiffs and school age kids who can only hunt
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  Speaker 2: on weekends. So Adam tell us about like the role
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  Speaker 2: that BHA played and getting this legislation passed.
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  Speaker 6: Sure thing, Thanks Brody.
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  Speaker 7: So the BHA Pennsylvania Chapter we were really the first
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  Speaker 7: national level organization to put out a statement on this
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  Speaker 7: subject in Pennsylvania.
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  Speaker 8: So a little history and a little bit of how.
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  Speaker 6: We kind of we got to where we are.
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  Speaker 7: Twenty seventeen, the newly formed BJA Pennsylvania Chapter identifies Sunday
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  Speaker 7: hunting as our top legislative priority. Twenty eighteen, the chapter
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  Speaker 7: releases a statement on Sunday hunting. We had Chapter leaders
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  Speaker 7: speak out at a Sunday hunting meeting at the Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 7: Game Commission headquarters twenty eighteen. Twenty nineteen, at the Great
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  Speaker 7: American Outdoors Show, we have multiple parents of young kids
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  Speaker 7: stopped by our booth specifically because of our stance on
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  Speaker 7: Sunday hunting. So we realize that this time this is
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  Speaker 7: something that's really really important to our members and it's
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  Speaker 7: really important to Pennsylvania hunters. My predecessor of State Chair,
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  Speaker 7: Don Rank, who now serves on the BHA National Board,
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  Speaker 7: personally promised a ten year old kid that we were
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  Speaker 7: going to get this done and that kid is probably
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  Speaker 7: now eligible for ourn adult license. But here's where we
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  Speaker 7: are in it. So twenty nineteen Senate Bill one seven,
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  Speaker 7: that was Senator Dan Laughlin's bill passes, which allows three
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  Speaker 7: Sundays open to Sunday hunting starting in the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 7: and twenty twenty one seasons. So we got a Sunday
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  Speaker 7: in archery season at Falls in November, which sort of
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  Speaker 7: coincides with the peak of the rut, which is awesome.
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  Speaker 7: We got the first Sunday at bear season, which is
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  Speaker 7: the second day of the season, so we have a
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  Speaker 7: full opening weekend for bear hunting, and also the first
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  Speaker 7: Sunday of our regular rifle deer season, so we get
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  Speaker 7: our first full weekend of deer hunting in Pennsylvania with
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  Speaker 7: a rifle. So I think that that was really the
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  Speaker 7: catalyst that kind of got the ball rolling. Then in
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  Speaker 7: twenty twenty one, our chapter received the donation which helped
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  Speaker 7: pay for a full time lobbyist. My good friend and mentor,
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  Speaker 7: John Kline, which are Pennsylvania Chapter now primarily funds on
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  Speaker 7: our own, so our chapter leaders really ramp up visits
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  Speaker 7: the capital to Garner's support for a lot of different things,
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  Speaker 7: but primarily with the goal of pushing Sunday hunting across
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  Speaker 7: the goal line. Over this time, our membership responds to
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  Speaker 7: numerous calls to action. Legislators received thousands of letters, emails,
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  Speaker 7: phone calls, and I think one of the main keys
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  Speaker 7: to success here and getting our legislators to understand how
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  Speaker 7: important this issue is to hunters was through that correspondence.
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  Speaker 6: Twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 7: We have Representative Mandy Steele out of Alleghany County who
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  Speaker 7: arrives in the House.
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  Speaker 6: And this is where it really gets interesting.
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  Speaker 7: So Senator Laughlin, he's a lifelong hunter from Northwestern We
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  Speaker 7: have Representatives Steel out of Alleghany County, which is for
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  Speaker 7: all intents and purposes, Pittsburgh, and she's not even a hunter.
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  Speaker 7: At this point, we've got bills coming from from both chambers.
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  Speaker 7: We have from the House and from the Senate at
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  Speaker 7: this point, and BHA really jumped on board and support
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  Speaker 7: a Sunday hunting. Now this is in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 7: We did have some reservations with some of the language.
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  Speaker 7: I personally testified for the House Game and Fisheries Committee
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  Speaker 7: last year and expressed both our support.
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  Speaker 8: But also some of our.
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  Speaker 6: Concerns in the spring.
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  Speaker 2: What like what concerns, What was in there that that
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  Speaker 2: you were worried about a little bit?
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  Speaker 7: There was there were some things that were related to
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  Speaker 7: some of the things that and I you know, we
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  Speaker 7: can get into this as far as the role that
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  Speaker 7: farmers and agriculture kind of played in this, But there
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  Speaker 7: were some things that from that side of the table
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  Speaker 7: that they were looking for, some things some representation on
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  Speaker 7: the Game Commission board and things like that that we
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  Speaker 7: weren't necessarily really in favor of. And we we we
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  Speaker 7: pushed back pretty strong a.
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  Speaker 2: Build that yep.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, So we were.
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  Speaker 7: Able to, you know, certainly have lots of conversations with
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  Speaker 7: all the different stakeholder groups and we were really arrived
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  Speaker 7: at a place where I think everybody could kind of
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  Speaker 7: come to the table and agree. So but twenty twenty four,
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  Speaker 7: there was a lot of amendments that came into the end.
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  Speaker 7: In at the end a lot of those there was
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  Speaker 7: just just we weren't quite there yet. So it did
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  Speaker 7: fail to pass for both chambers in the last session.
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  Speaker 2: So before you move on, I'm gonna jump ahead a
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  Speaker 2: little bit and then we'll go back just so people
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  Speaker 2: are aware, because it's just like so foreign to people
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  Speaker 2: like here in Montana or any other state where Sunday
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  Speaker 2: hunting's like always been legal. Like, what are some of
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  Speaker 2: the things that the opposition is saying, like this is
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  Speaker 2: why we shouldn't have Sunday hunting, Because I've heard some
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  Speaker 2: of the arguments in the past, and they're like some
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  Speaker 2: of them are really like ludicrous. But like, what where
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  Speaker 2: are they coming to, these legislators saying this is why
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  Speaker 2: we shouldn't have Sunday hunting.
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  Speaker 6: I've heard all kinds of things.
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  Speaker 7: I've heard stories of how bad trust passing is going
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  Speaker 7: to become by adding one more day to hunt.
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  Speaker 6: I've heard hunting accidents.
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  Speaker 7: I've heard that there'll be no white tails left in
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  Speaker 7: Pennsylvania if we allow folks to hunt on Sundays.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they can't even sell all the leftover do tags
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  Speaker 2: that they have now absolutely.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, and all of those things have proved
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  Speaker 7: to be false. You know, we saw, you know, really
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  Speaker 7: no increase in hunting related shooting incidents, you know, with
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  Speaker 7: harvest rates were pretty much you know, on on parallel
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  Speaker 7: with what neighboring other neighboring states have had. I know,
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  Speaker 7: I know some of the things I've seen was like Ohio,
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  Speaker 7: Delaware when they introduced Sunday hunting, they saw you know,
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  Speaker 7: three or five percent maybe in that first year or two,
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  Speaker 7: and then everything kind of stabilized after that.
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  Speaker 6: They've got plenty of deer.
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  Speaker 7: I can personally attest to that, at least in Delaware,
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  Speaker 7: which I'm hunting extensively. You know, plenty of deer in
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  Speaker 7: those states. Certainly when we added those three Sunday in Pennsylvania,
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  Speaker 7: lots and lots of white tails left in the woods.
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  Speaker 7: So you know, all the all those kind of things
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  Speaker 7: that we had heard, really all of those proved to
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  Speaker 7: be false.
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  Speaker 2: Great, So moving on to twenty twenty five, like tell
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  Speaker 2: us about this year, Yeah.
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  Speaker 8: So twenty twenty five was a little bit different.
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  Speaker 7: So we've got a lot of learnings both, you know,
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  Speaker 7: hunting conservation groups, certainly us at BHA. We really understand
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  Speaker 7: kind of at this point how this pathway has taken us,
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  Speaker 7: and we know what it's going to take to be
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  Speaker 7: able to get this thing through the legislature and onto
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  Speaker 7: the governor's desk. Representative Steel and Senator Laughlin introduce almost
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  Speaker 7: identical bills. I think we all knew, as I said,
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  Speaker 7: we all knew what it was going to take to
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  Speaker 7: get to this, to this to the Governor's desk, so
• 18:46
  Speaker 7: that language was was already incorporated right out of the gate.
• 18:50
  Speaker 7: We had strong support from BHA, from other hunting conservation
• 18:54
  Speaker 7: groups we had at this point, we had the support
• 18:56
  Speaker 7: of the agricultural community, specifically at the Pennsylvania Farm Z,
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: and we had strong support from the Pennsylvania Game Commission.
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: So Representative Steele's Houspital fourteen thirty one becomes the official
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: vessel for Sunday hunting. It flies through both chambers July ninth,
• 19:15
  Speaker 7: the Governor signs it into the law, which is for me,
• 19:19
  Speaker 7: one of my most honorable moments in my entire hunting career.
• 19:23
  Speaker 7: It's I mean, I can't express the gratitude I have
• 19:26
  Speaker 7: for everybody who worked on this bill and how much
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: this is going to change. I would argue this might
• 19:30
  Speaker 7: be the most significant change to hunting in Pennsylvania in
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: my lifetime and in maybe many lifetimes, oh for sure.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Like for people that can't wrap their head around it,
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Like when I was both seth and I grew up
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: hunting in Pennsylvania, and like as a kid, like with
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: school and sports, like hunting time is just like extremely limited.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it had to be the same way for you.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: Like in the fall, I was going to practice after school,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: like maybe I'd get home in time to hunt for
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: an hour before it got dark. You know, if you're
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: if you're in sports and you're doing something on Sunday,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: or maybe you've got a job or whatever, like not
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: having Sundays. So just like brutal as a kid for me,
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it had to be the same.
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if you were well, if you were back
• 20:21
  Speaker 3: in those days, right, the right, if you're just a
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: rifle hunter, Yeah, the rifle season started on a Monday, yep.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: And then which most most got that in Pennsylvania you
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: get that day off for the first two days off,
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: so you got to hunt that and then after that
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: you have two you had two more weekends yep. So
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: basically if you were just a weekend warrior, you had
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: two other days to hunt.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, yeah, it's like for ple like people out
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: here in Montana, five weeks of rifle season, you know,
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: it's crazy.
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's a huge win.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Man, What like what is the uh, Like, what's the
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: vibe from the hunting community? Is it, like I assume
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: everyone's like this pumping and high five in out there?
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: Oh for sure.
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: For sure.
• 21:10
  Speaker 7: I mean I'm sure that there's you know, there might
• 21:12
  Speaker 7: be other opinions out there, but everything that I've seen,
• 21:14
  Speaker 7: everything I've heard is one hundred percent positive. I don't
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: think I'd talked to anyone who isn't completely stoked as
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: soon as this, As soon as it's passing, I'm signed
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: in the law, My phone, my email lit up, my
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: social media, everybody stoked. Pennsylvania hunter has been calling for
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: this change for a long time, and one of the
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: really cool things is to see everybody so engaged. It's
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: awesome to see hunters getting together and agreeing that this
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: is something that we need to affect, this change, and
• 21:45
  Speaker 7: jumping on board and signing those those letters and making
• 21:47
  Speaker 7: those phone calls and just getting engaged and just in
• 21:49
  Speaker 7: conversation about how important this really is for all of us,
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: for opportunity. It's just it's everything has been positive from
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: everyone I've talked to and to actually, I guess to
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: add to that positivity, our game commissioners meet on July
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: twenty eighth. One of the top agenda items there, maybe
• 22:09
  Speaker 7: the top agenda item is to add I think it's
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: total ten more sundays onto the calendar for the twenty
• 22:15
  Speaker 7: twenty five seasons. So if this goes through, which certainly
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: we hope it's going to, from September through December, we're
• 22:24
  Speaker 7: going to have a lot more Sundays to hunt.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: So explain that, because like a lot of people probably
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: saw the headline that the governor signs this into law,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: but it's like not been implemented yet, right, So it's
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: still like the regulations still have to change, the season
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: dates have to be adjusted, things like that, So like
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: it's not like the board has to decide how this
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: legalizing Sunday hunting is actually implemented.
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, so the law repeals the ban on
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: Sunday hunting, but it's of course left to our game
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: in commissioners commissioners to make the decisions and to set
• 23:03
  Speaker 7: our seasons in bag limits. So yeah, so they they
• 23:08
  Speaker 7: have to actually approve the changes on what Sundays were
• 23:10
  Speaker 7: going to hunt. So that's that's really what their objective
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: is there. And it also takes sixty days for the
• 23:16
  Speaker 7: law to take effect. So once that sixty days is up,
• 23:19
  Speaker 7: then they can actually put those sundays into place once
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: once it officially becomes law.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: In if that Board of Commissioners were to be like,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: you know, it's legal now, but we're only going to
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: give you three more, like they're gonna be like there's
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: going to be like a revolt in Pennsylvania.
• 23:36
  Speaker 8: Maybe maybe, Yeah, Hunters, hunters want.
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: To hunt, right, yeah, yeah, So hopefully they do the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: right thing and just give you all ten of those sundays,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: which is which is basically mean you know, all fall,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: you can go hunt whenever you want.
• 23:51
  Speaker 7: Yeah, which would that? That would be awesome. I mean
• 23:53
  Speaker 7: it really means a lot to me personally. Of course,
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: of course I want to be in the woods as
• 23:57
  Speaker 7: much as possible. I have two student athletes at home,
• 24:01
  Speaker 7: so you know, my my weekends are pretty well taken up.
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: You know, fall baseball, we've got soccer, all those kind
• 24:06
  Speaker 7: of things. So yeah, I want to be able to
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: spend as much time in the woods as I can
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: for sure.
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: Adam, Before we go, I want to give you a
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: little time to plug BHA's muster in the mountains event
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: that's coming up soon. You want to tell us about that.
• 24:22
  Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely so uh muster in the mountains. This is
• 24:26
  Speaker 7: kind of our you know, kind of East Coast.
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: Rendezvous, if you will.
• 24:31
  Speaker 7: We have this August first to third this year. It's
• 24:34
  Speaker 7: at west Kill Brewing in west Kill, New York. It's
• 24:37
  Speaker 7: up in the Catskills. It's a beautiful area. You come out,
• 24:41
  Speaker 7: meet BHA Vice President of Operations, Frankie mcburniey Olsen. We've
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: got some great events planned. We've got a three D
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: archery shoot. The New York chapter is representing with some
• 24:51
  Speaker 7: interesting demonstrations. They've got one on saddle hunting. I think
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: they have one that I think is really cool on
• 24:56
  Speaker 7: DIY taxidermy. And the PHA chapter is going to be
• 25:00
  Speaker 7: represented by my good friend Ethan Brininger, who's going to
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: do a flint lock flintlock muzzleloader introduction. I personally hunted
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: flintlocks with Ethan. He's a guy who really knows his stuff.
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: He's a great instructor. I'm sure that that's going to
• 25:15
  Speaker 7: be a fantastic event and you can find details for
• 25:18
  Speaker 7: that at Backcountry hunters dot org. Go to our events page.
• 25:22
  Speaker 7: We have a direct link there for it.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Great sounds fun, have so you're not able to make
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: it to that one.
• 25:29
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure if I'm going to be there. I
• 25:30
  Speaker 6: might be there for part of it. I have planned
• 25:32
  Speaker 6: on Sunday, so we'll see.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I'm sure there'll be a little partying at night too,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: So I would say so if you're in that part
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: of the country, go check it out. Thanks a lot, Adam.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: We may check back with you in a couple of
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: months to see how this Sunday hunting thing is actually implemented.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, I would.
• 25:51
  Speaker 7: I'd absolutely love the opportunity. I really appreciate you guys
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: having me on.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: All right, thanks a lot. Man, See, thanks, thanks good news,
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: But hopefully it's great news here in a couple of
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: commissioners don't implement that. You remember Joel, my buddy. Oh yeah,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: he's like those guys. I don't trust him. Like we're
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: just like with some game commission boards or like wildlife boards.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Like it's like it's tough with those people these days, man.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: But hopefully it just ends up being more good news.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: All right, guys. Uh, next up, we got our we
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: got a top three segment. We do these now and
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: then where we share various top three lists things like
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: favorite game meets favorite whatever, favorite places to fish things
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: Good. I'm not letting you get away with it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: Field.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: There's no pause in there for sounds.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: I didn't see it. I get the light effect in
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: the room.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's incredibly complex. This gets me fired up. My
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: finger on a slider back.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Thanks Phil, Thanks for sliding that in there.
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: It was really important. Everybody loved it, and it wasn't
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: a waste of time at all.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I forget how we do these? Do we have one person?
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Do all three?
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: Phil?
• 27:24
  Speaker 4: Or do we go like you like number three, number three,
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: number three, number two, number two?
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: Okay, okay, gotcha, Okay, all right, Krin, We're going like
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: from number three to your favorite Okay, yeah.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So I'm gonna I'm gonna switch this up. My
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: number three is going to be Brody. Was giving me,
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: you know, crap for this earlier because I think my
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: my my scenario here misunderstands maybe what they taste like.
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: But I had put a black tailed jack rabbit in Arizona.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I was more making fun of you because we
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: got plenty of jack rabbits.
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: It's like right here.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: But either way, it's like, you know, it's your choice.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I just the the Sonoran desert atmosphere is like
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: an era. I've only been two once, but really really
• 28:17
  Speaker 5: loved it. They look just fun to get after.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: When you watch one of those things covering ground, it's
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: pretty impressive.
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I've been hunting deer in eastern Montana and
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: I would glass up jack rabbit and I watch him
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: just run in a straight line for miles. Oh yeah, Like,
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: what are you doing?
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: Like it looks like like the perfect thing if you
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: have I don't know, a d like you're just you know,
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: it's just like a different kind of focus would be required.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: And also, I I guess I'm mistaken that they probably
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: don't taste like cottontail bunnies.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: Definitely not like a stronger flavor, darker meat, which you
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: know I've eaten them. Not my favorite, not when I
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: got deer elk in the freezer. But sure, I'm sure
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: I'll catch some some hell for saying that. But yeah,
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: but look, man, it doesn't doesn't have to be about me.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: It's your bucket list, right, seth. What's your what's your
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: number three?
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: My number three is? Uh, hunting rios in Oklahoma?
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: Why Oklahoma?
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: Uh, it's a state I've never been to and I
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: want to get a rio to complete my slam.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: So the nice thing about those rios because I used
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: to hunt them in uh, like southwestern Nebraska. They've got
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: him in Colorado, Toude, but I didn't hunt them much
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: out there. But the cool thing about those rio it's
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: almost bad for those turkeys, right because they lit. It's
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: like open country wide open and then uh like Cottonwood
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Creek and river Bottom, so like you where the at
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: you know where they're at? Yeah, yeah, and it that
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: was that when I used to hunt him in that
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: kind of country in Nebraska, it was super super fun.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: I was tourn between Oklahoma and and I really want
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: to hunt turkeys in Mississippi one of these days.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: You want to get you want to go on a
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: super hard turkey.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but I've killed the Easterns before, so I really
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: want to get that reo.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: What about you, Brody.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Let's see what? Oh this is? Number three was a
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: tough one for me because I wanted to make it
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: a fishing trip and I really want to go like
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: north of the Arctic Circle in Alaska and fish those
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: she fish. Oh yeah, but if I advise like had
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to had to choose, it would be to go down
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: to Panama to fish for those giant Kuberra snapper. Like God,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: this like I'm just like fascinating, And you catch other
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: cool stuff down there, like rooster fish and it's not
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: like blue water offshore fishing, like fishing close to shore
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: and these big rock piles coming out of the ocean
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: and there's jungle and like it's it just seems super
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: cool like that that's like fish and wise, I would
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: probably choose that over sheet fish in Alaska.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: Nice for sure. Yeah, that sounds wicked fun.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Back to Krin's crazy stuff.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: I love how your your your your guys' bucket list
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: is like kind of grand and you know.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: Oh those Kubert snapper get huge.
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: But anyway back to Crine.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: Now my bee ish iguana in Florida.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Nice, I can expect nothing less.
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Like you know, I just I think more of
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: it is about tasting different game species that I haven't
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: tasted before. And then you know that that leads the
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: kind of difference.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: You'd be doing some good work taking those invasive green.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: Warns, right, I mean I've also heard that they're very
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: very tasty. Yeah, probably not a super hard hunt.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: No, but that's what or I've seen on Instagram a
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: couple of times. I don't know if this dude has
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: like a like an actual guide service for shooting iguanas,
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: but he has a bird dog, like a wire hair
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: pointer or something, some some bird dog, and that bird
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: dog goes around in the boat with him and they'll
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: crack and iguana on the bank. That dog rockets out
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: of the boat and grabs brings them back.
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: Now that seems more fun that Okay, I've just evolved.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: My I'm a little torn on the iguana thing because
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: when I was in college, I had a ped iguana.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: What was his name or her name, God.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: I can't even remember now, Chuck, that's a great name
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: for her. And he had that iguana had like I
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: had this big chunk of drift I just let him
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: run around in my apartment. But he would always I
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: had this chunk of long drift wood in the corner
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: he'd climb up on and it was right above one
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: of those old radiators, know they like, and that thing
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: would like launch onto that radiator and a couple of
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: times he'd like break an arm or a leg or something,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: and he'd always heal up eventually, But eventually I had
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: to leave and I could take him with with me.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this, anyway. I
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: gave him to my buddy to care after this thing,
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: and he just got to the point where he had
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: busted so many legs he couldn't get around anymore. And
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: so my buddy put him in a pete in the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: middle of winter, put him in a pizza box and
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: threw him in the dumpster, which for where for a
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: reptile isn't a bad way to go. They just get
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: cold and go to sleep.
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna say so much hell, but he said, like,
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: you know, he just released into the wild, and I
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: was gonna say.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: He had a good one. I should have eaten him.
• 33:53
  Speaker 3: I guess.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: No waste seth.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: Might be is fishing in Norway. Yeah, it's kind of
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: like the well, the the ocean. Fishing there from what
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: I gather, is kind of like fishing southeast Alaska. But
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: everything just seems so much bigger.
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and those field words are that that's cool looking country.
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: Oh it looks awesome. Yeah, there's just a big fishing
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: community there. And then interior stuff there's like those Xander
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: and those big ass perch yep. Yeah, it just looks
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: like a fishing paradise over there.
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the people in Norway are like the happiest
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: people in the world.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it'd be a cool trip.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: Where are we at?
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: My second, yeah, your second?
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: My second would be.
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: Big horn sheep right here in Montana. It's definitely like,
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: definitely a species of big game that I get to
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: see a lot, never get to hunt. I mean, it's
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: just like a lot of people will have big horn
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: on their list, right, so you know, hopefully someday it'll happen.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Who knows if it will. I'm gonna keep trying. But
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: like that's that's kind of like the glam species that
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: interests me the most, like once in a like because
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: you know, I got a moose last year, but like
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: big horn cheap are even harder to get tags for.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: Then what's the percentage now?
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: Zero?
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: Zero?
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, it depends where you're at, but it's like point nothing, yeah,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: to like one percent. Maybe it's like a high draws hunt.
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and here Montana they're cutting tags.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there's problems with them. I mean, there's problems
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: with pneumonia everywhere, but I'm still applying in Colorado, but
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I got higher hopes for Montana.
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: Okay, We're gonna keep our fingers crossed for you Brody someday.
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. I almost I almost like caved and was like, oh,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I'm just gonna put my points towards a big horn
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: you tag. But then I had enough points where I'm like,
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: that's just sick.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah you know what, as we'll keep going.
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, all right, moving on and number one of
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Karin's crazy bucket list.
• 36:10
  Speaker 5: Okay, so for really really going like dream experience, I
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: would love to be on a commercial boat in Japan
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: just seeing what what the fishermen there do to get blue.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about those ones where they just drop
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: it in, flip them over their back drop it in.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Have you seen those?
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: No?
• 36:30
  Speaker 5: I have, just like the biggest I just want to
• 36:33
  Speaker 5: see like big ass fish because tasty fish. Maybe I'm not.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Sure that the Japanese are the ones doing all the
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: commercial fishing for blue fins. I think they're coming from
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: they get shipped like like here there's blue Fest Coast
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: West Andies okay, and I know like there are other places,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: but I don't know, Like maybe I'm wrong, but I
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: think like a lot of the blue fin that ends
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: up in pan is coming. Like they overnight this ship,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: they flash freeze them, send them a sushi markets and
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: then some there's this big bidding process.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, right, so those are not coming out of the
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: Pacific waters right there.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Well, then maybe maybe someone.
• 37:17
  Speaker 5: If I'm mistaken there. That's why I had a real
• 37:19
  Speaker 5: number one, My real number one cucumbers and Alasta.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: I want to be at the shack and just watch
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: her in wandering around filling up a wheelbarrow.
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: A that'll be me. I'll put on like an eight
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: millimeter suit and just spend the entire afternoon like diving
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: in shallow water.
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: I don't even need to dive for them. You will, yeah,
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: you will foul hook them when you're Yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: And there's places where at low tide you can just
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: go pick them up.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: That'll be me. I'll focus on nothing else but wheelbarrows
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: full of sea cucumbers.
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: And you can be the like cleaning specialists. That's how
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: you break into the fish cleaning table, Like you have
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: to graduate to it, and you start by cleaning sea keys.
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: I'll have fun doing that all.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Day after that first wheelbarrow that you clean. I am.
• 38:19
  Speaker 5: Then I'll start, I'll start the I'll start. The other
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: method of taking care of those is just air drying them,
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: you know, like they like you know, Asian Asian market
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: like dried glass, you know, dried.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: And then do they just rehydrate them and eat.
• 38:35
  Speaker 5: Them exactly, and they'll eat the whole the whole thing,
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: you know, the slimy warp bit and all. It's unlikely. Yeah, yeah,
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: they it's not. You're actually just not cleaning them. You're
• 38:45
  Speaker 5: you're you're purging them of you know, the mucky stuff
• 38:49
  Speaker 5: that's inside.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: There's a thing that things do if they sit in
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: the bottom of your boat long enough, they basically turn
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: inside out. It is the grossest thing. Interesting. Yeah, yeah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: but they are, man, they're good.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Bride strips are good for sure. Well that's interesting, Krinn.
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: All the stuff.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 5: I love how my bucket lists are like probably easily
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: accomplished things. Yes, then all go.
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: You can fly in to catch a can and walk
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: right from the airport right down to the water's edge
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: and get yourself some qu com.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Yep, SE's interested in something a little bigger than a
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: c cucumber for his number on.
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: My Number one's moose interior Alaska. You know that rich
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: hunt that that we've all done is awesome, love it.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: But I want to go further north north slope, north
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: of the Arctic tittle, yep, just check out most The
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: biggest reason just because I want to go up there
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: and see that country. I also want to get a moose.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: No that that Ridge top hunt is fun. The place
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: where currently where Steve's currently locked in is like there's
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: not like there's like one spot right yeah, and that
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: stuff like you're sitting there. Once that stuff up on
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: the north slopes more open, classible, hikeable, all that stuff.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: So I could see that being a super fun hunt.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Someday I'll go back and do a float hunt for them.
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be fun too. I've done the float stuff,
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: which is awesome because you're just looking at a new
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: country every day.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I just I guess more so, I just
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: want to be on that north slope for sure. Country definitely.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Number one is could take place same place as your
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: moose hunt. I want to take my boys to do
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: a caribou hunt, not necessarily because it's like this super
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: challenging hunt, like you're probably gonna get one, right, But
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: to be able to watch that migration is like, it's
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: it's one of the coolest things, like just for days,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: just thousands of caribou rolling by. And granted you got
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: to hit it right to experience that, but it's like
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: the most impressive thing I've ever seen in nature, like
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: by far, just like waves of those things going by
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: day after day. And I don't necessarily care about getting
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: one myself, but yeah, I'd love to take my boys
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: in up for a fly in until Yeah awesome, Yeah,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: all right, Phil, let's see what the chat say about cucumbers.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: Nothing about cucumbers. Get your comments, and well, Krin's here.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: But Nathan asks Seth and Krink was what was the
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: best thing you guys ate in Africa?
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: And what was the weirdest? Allright, God, it's so weird.
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: Africa has everything. We ate in Africa was just like
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: the best come one thing that stuck out in my mind,
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: it which surprised me was the war hog.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Tasty.
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: It's just I don't know what it was. It wasn't fatty,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: it was just it was it was very similar to
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: just eating like pork tenderloin without the fat, but just
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: like the sauce they made with that meal, and it
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: was just the whole thing was just phenomenal.
• 42:28
  Speaker 5: It was very clean tasting meat. You know, she's like
• 42:31
  Speaker 5: a delicious you know.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, something something I heard Steve mentioned in passing the
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: other day. I wasn't involved really in the conversation, but
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: he said, like everything is cooked well done, like they
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: don't do like medium rare there, which was surprised.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: Well, they did. The chefs there did do like the
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: backstraps and stuff.
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: Oh they did.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they did it like medium rare.
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: But there's a lot of meat that would just yeah, yeah,
• 43:03
  Speaker 5: that's that's I guess the way that folks over there
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: used to eating meat. You know, some of it's like
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: charred on the outside. It's all well done, and that
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: they don't really like meat prepared the way a lot
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: of us.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of the meat that we ate
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: is not how they yeah, right prepared.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: It wasn't exactly, Yeah, it was more you know, maybe
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: how they thought we would like it, slightly Western Eastern,
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: you know, preparations.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: So if you could like have an elk in the
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: freezer or some of that stuff.
• 43:36
  Speaker 5: Oh, Seth, what about the rowan anal species. Steve shot
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: this beautiful old bowl, and I think that might have
• 43:46
  Speaker 5: been the oldest of all the four that he harvests.
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: I think they said, what like like at least ten
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: eleven or twelve years old maybe, And I thought that
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: that was the most tender meat. It was sweet, I
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: mean at five times better than elk, like than the
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: best elk of it.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: You know, like a phenomenal tasting antelope here. You know,
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: like it's just most of it's just all tender and
• 44:12
  Speaker 3: taste good. That's like how everything is there.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: That's that's super cool. Yeah yeah, And you know it's
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: great that you guys got to like eat a bunch
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: of stuff.
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, that's one. I mean, it's cool that
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: you could share that meat with all the villages and
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: the people there. But it's like it may be nice
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: just to bring all that stuff.
• 44:32
  Speaker 5: Yeah, selfishly, to be like spreading you know, Kate buffalo oxtail,
• 44:40
  Speaker 5: Kate buffalo tail stew or.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we have buffalo oxtail soup. The one night
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: that was good too, all.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: Kinds of like fat and like, yeah, stuff, who's next?
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: Phil?
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: This question seems silly to me, but I could just
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: be very ignorant. Maybe it's a question about humidity. But
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: since you and seth hunting a lot in the East
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: and the west, Zach asks, should a Western game hunter
• 45:04
  Speaker 4: store hunting clothes similar to Midwestern or Eastern deer hunters
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: as far as scent control is concerned.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: Man, I don't worry about that stuff.
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: I store my hunt clothes in a musty basement.
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely think, like if you're talking spot and
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: stock rifle hunting, there's no reason in the West, there's
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: no reason to be paranoid about, like storing your clothes
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: with a pine bough outside or something like that.
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't do the whole sunk control
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: thing much cool.
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: Braiden commented that he hit a deer with this truck
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: at the same time we went live today, so.
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: Edible. I don't know, Braiden.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: If you're still watching, go ahead and follow up, but
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: you're probably dealing with something else right now.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: If I don't, I don't know if there are a
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: lot of moose.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: Hunters in this room right now. But Vermont Millennial Homesteaders says,
• 46:00
  Speaker 4: my wife and I both drew a coveted moose tag
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: here in Vermont. I defined my permit to hunt with
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: her as a sub permittee. Any tips on moose hunting
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: with a cow only tag.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what kind of country they're in,
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: like if you can glass them, I don't know. If
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: it's the hunts during the rut, I would what I
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: would do is like right now is the time to
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: be out looking for those things, Like I don't know
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: anything about that area and hunting moose in Vermont, so
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: I would be doing a lot of scouting.
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I know. Some dudes if hunted in
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: Maine and it was kind of like a lot of covering. Yeah,
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: it's probably super company, like covering a lot of roads,
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: like in timber looking for timber cuts.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, go find them, Luke says Seth.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: Let's get an update on the Alaska shack. You got
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: it fixed up nicer than the neighbors.
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: Are you getting some use out of it? Oh? Yeah,
• 46:57
  Speaker 3: it's fixed up fairly nice at the moment, at least
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: the outside here. In a couple of weeks, we're putting
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: a roof on the back porch, which will be nice.
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: That'll be real nice, YEA I'll be able to hang
• 47:09
  Speaker 3: some wet stuff out there.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Man, all the UK trade. Seth, You're you're like the
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: high roller in the coke. Now he got a new boat,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: got a fixed up making Steve look.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: Bad at I'm just trying to make the neighbors jealous.
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: Let's do one more and then we can hit some more.
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: At the end of the show, here Joe says, what's
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Phil's favorite game He's tried so far?
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: This is such a.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: Boring answer, but I have I've got to try a
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: decent amounts. I've worked here like I've had Gator, if
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: had Mountain Lion, all all kinds of stuff. But when
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: when Michael Hunter from Toronto whatever, what's his restaurant's name again,
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: he came in here to shoot some stuff with us,
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: and Brody brought in some elk steak he had and
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: Michael just like with his hands tied behind his back
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: and blindfolded. He like he not literally, but he could
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: have done it in his sleep. He pulled out some
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: single burner induction burner and made the most credible steak
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: I've ever had with like this huckleberry.
• 48:02
  Speaker 3: Sauce on top.
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: I just remember belted in my mouth and I could
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: not believe it, and he just acted like it's just
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: what he does well for a living, which is literally.
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: What it was true.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: But partial credit there, Phil.
• 48:15
  Speaker 3: It was a great taste in Elk Brody.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: Yeah, can I can I make one live correction Jim Hefflefinger.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I knew it was coming from Antelope.
• 48:27
  Speaker 5: Jack rabbit is the one I want, and he said,
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: we can make that happen when the rabbit populations recover,
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: because it's the hemorrhagic virus that knocked out the populace.
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I thought he was going to contact and not Black.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: I thought he was going to contact us saying they're
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: the best thing to eat on the planet.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: And I know he eats them, so had Jim's on it. Yeah,
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: thanks for watching, Jim.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Let's move on to our next interview.
• 48:55
  Speaker 3: Let's do it. We got Ted up. Ted's up?
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, next up, we got Ted It's Cook, right, Ted
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: Ted Cook. Ted Cook the executive director of the North
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: American Grouse Partnership. Ted, thanks for joining us today. Before
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: we get started with with the conversation, I want to
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: give the listeners a little background information about why we've
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: got you on the show today. We've been seeing this
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: is like not news, Like we've been seeing declines in
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: sage grouse populations for years and we've talked about it here,
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: you know, we did Immediate or television show that talked
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: a lot about it there. And there's this like iconic
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: species of sage rush prairie like across their range in
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: the Western United States, and they've been struggling, which like
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: maybe it would come as a surprise as like some
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: bird hunters and in places like Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, where
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: you can still go out and hunt them, some people
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: might be surprise that they're like not doing well in places.
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: But with all that said, like about a week ago,
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: some news came out that the sage grouse were officially
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: declared extinct in the state of North Dakota, and it's
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: just really you know, news like that is obviously a
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: huge bummer, but it's also part of this bigger picture
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: concerning what's going on with sage grouse in the last
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: however many years. So ted just to like clarify your
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: bona fides, besides being the executive director of the North
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: American Grouse Partnership, why don't you first like tell us
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: about your experience working within endangered species and then we'll
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: kind of get into to what's going on with sage
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: grouse all over the place.
• 50:54
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so thanks for having me on. Before I became
• 51:00
  Speaker 9: the executive director of the North American Grouse Partnership, I
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: worked for thirty years as an endangered species biologist for
• 51:06
  Speaker 9: the US soshom MODELISS Service, including five years working on
• 51:11
  Speaker 9: sage grouse conservations, specifically back on the early twenty teams
• 51:15
  Speaker 9: when we were evaluating whether orless sage grouse under the
• 51:18
  Speaker 9: Endangered Species Act. And so from there I went on
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: actually and ended my career in Albuquerque, New Mexico, where
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: I worked a lot on lester prairie chickens. And I
• 51:27
  Speaker 9: retired and the board of the Grouse Partnership asked if
• 51:30
  Speaker 9: I wanted to apply to be executive director, and I
• 51:32
  Speaker 9: thought no, And here I am.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: Here you are talking to it's hard to quit.
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: It's hard to quit.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you, So you can correct me if
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: I'm wrong here. But like what happened in North Dakota
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: and with other sage grouse populations that are struggling, like
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: the Gunnison sage grouse in Colorado, that's largely related issues
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: surrounding loss of sagebrush prairie to prairie habitats.
• 52:01
  Speaker 9: Is that correct, exactly right?
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: Yep?
• 52:04
  Speaker 9: Say it gets called the scientificitary sage step step is
• 52:07
  Speaker 9: ste ppe step means grass lands, so stage step sage
• 52:11
  Speaker 9: grass land loss of habitat. In fact, brody grasslands including
• 52:15
  Speaker 9: stagebrush step grasslands are the most threatened ecosystem on the
• 52:19
  Speaker 9: continent and in the world.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: Yep, yep.
• 52:22
  Speaker 9: And so this inexorable decline and loss of prairie grouse species,
• 52:27
  Speaker 9: including stage grouse in North Dakota, it's just a part
• 52:30
  Speaker 9: of a much larger long term trend that the North
• 52:34
  Speaker 9: American Grouse Partnership is committed to trying to stop and reverse.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Can you give folks a sense of like how like
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: how common and how widely distributed sage grouse were at
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: one time compared to where they're at now.
• 52:54
  Speaker 9: Sure, Yeah, sage grouse used to well, sage grouse or
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: sage brush obligates, so they have to have sage brush
• 53:00
  Speaker 9: to survive. And pretty much anywhere there were where there
• 53:02
  Speaker 9: was enough sage brush, you'd have sage grouse. And that
• 53:06
  Speaker 9: was across I think at least thirteen Western states historically,
• 53:10
  Speaker 9: but now the range has been reduced by roughly fifty percent,
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: and the population of sage grouse has been reduced by
• 53:19
  Speaker 9: almost three quarters.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: Like, what's the best estimate, Like at a high point,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: how many do you? Like?
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: What's it?
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: I know you can't pinpoint it, but how many millions
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: of them were there?
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 53:32
  Speaker 9: I don't know, and I know some folks have speculated that.
• 53:36
  Speaker 9: It's really hard to say, Yeah, many millions, Yeah, several million,
• 53:43
  Speaker 9: and now we're down to just a few hundred thousand, gotcha.
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: Can you explain were kind of hinted at this earlier,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: but you can explain why, Like it's not just that
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: sage grouse are on the decline, Like their decline also
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: as implications for other species that use the same habitat
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: as sagegress like pronghorn and mule deer and songs and
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: all other like all hosts of species. So can you
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: kind of touch on that a little bit more?
• 54:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, we all of us hunters know that
• 54:18
  Speaker 9: mule deer have been in decline for a long long time,
• 54:21
  Speaker 9: and there's no accident that they've been in decline along
• 54:25
  Speaker 9: with our grastling habitats. And in some places game managers
• 54:28
  Speaker 9: are getting particularly concerned about the continued loss of mule
• 54:34
  Speaker 9: deer pronghorn. You know, I mean what I like to
• 54:37
  Speaker 9: challenge US hunters to think about is, well, maybe you
• 54:39
  Speaker 9: don't hunt prairie gross very much, but you love mule deer,
• 54:42
  Speaker 9: you love pronghorn. How far away are we from a
• 54:46
  Speaker 9: scientist finding a local population of pronghorns, say, and part
• 54:50
  Speaker 9: of the Southwestern Great Plains, and we end up listing
• 54:53
  Speaker 9: that under the Endeiner Species Act. Keeping in mind, pronghorn
• 54:56
  Speaker 9: are already listed in Arizona and I think maybe even
• 54:59
  Speaker 9: California under the Injured Species Act. So this is not
• 55:01
  Speaker 9: far fetch. All of these other species. Then you've got
• 55:04
  Speaker 9: casts and sparrow and babba links and monarch butterflies and
• 55:08
  Speaker 9: regal fritillary butterflies. Stuff one from me to say, but
• 55:12
  Speaker 9: all of these grassland independent species are declining along with
• 55:16
  Speaker 9: prairie grouse. Now, prairie grouse are a great umbrella species
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  Speaker 9: because they require such there are landscape scale species that
• 55:22
  Speaker 9: require such large patches of intact grasslands. And so we're
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  Speaker 9: hopeful in the Grouse partnership that if we can conserve
• 55:28
  Speaker 9: prairie grouse populations that we can help conserve mule deer
• 55:32
  Speaker 9: and prong horn and everything else.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the chips will just fall into place. So, like,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: what are your main goals? Like, what are you guys
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: doing to help sage grouse and those those prairie habitats.
• 55:45
  Speaker 9: Yeah, so actually two slightly different prongs there, because one
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: of the I guess, well differences I want how much
• 55:53
  Speaker 9: of a benefit it is with sage rouse is that
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: there's a fair amount of public land that provides good
• 55:58
  Speaker 9: sage grouse habitats.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, luckily it didn't all get sold off.
• 56:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah, exactly exactly, thanks to a good, good lot of
• 56:07
  Speaker 9: good work by hunters and anglers and others. But even there,
• 56:11
  Speaker 9: even though we have you know, say, you know, eighty
• 56:13
  Speaker 9: percent of the of a patch of habitat is public land,
• 56:16
  Speaker 9: some of the most important habitat, the lower elevation stream bottoms,
• 56:20
  Speaker 9: the deeper soils, the wet meadows are still privately.
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: Owned, very common out here in the west.
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  Speaker 9: Exactly right, and so, but but really with sage rouse,
• 56:30
  Speaker 9: the biggest drive here's a sad fact. Of the whatever
• 56:35
  Speaker 9: fifty forty million acres we have left of sage rouse habitat,
• 56:38
  Speaker 9: we're losing sage brush habitat at the rate of one
• 56:42
  Speaker 9: point three million acres per year.
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: And what's happened in there like building houses, like what
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: just like residential, commercial, all kinds of different development.
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: Well, yes, all of that is happening. But in a word,
• 56:56
  Speaker 9: it's cheek grass.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, cheat grass.
• 57:01
  Speaker 9: Now, keep in mind a lot of your listeners may
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  Speaker 9: know the name Aldo Leopold in a book that he
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  Speaker 9: wrote published in nineteen forty nine called a Sand County Almanac.
• 57:11
  Speaker 9: In that book, Aldo Leopold has a chapter called cheat
• 57:14
  Speaker 9: takes Over where he foresees what is happening to sagebrush
• 57:18
  Speaker 9: ecosystems today. That's how visionary this guy was.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: For people who don't know what we're talking about, explain
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: what cheat grass is and what it's and what it's doing.
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 57:30
  Speaker 9: So cheat grass is an invasive annual grass from Asia
• 57:35
  Speaker 9: that was accidentally imported here to North America, and it's
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: taking over in areas like the western like the Great
• 57:43
  Speaker 9: Base in the western half of the range of sage grouse,
• 57:46
  Speaker 9: and even is becoming more of an issue into wyoming
• 57:49
  Speaker 9: in some of the eastern parts of the range. And
• 57:51
  Speaker 9: so cheat grass is fire loving. It's designed to burn
• 57:54
  Speaker 9: frequently sagebrush is not okay, and so the driver for
• 57:59
  Speaker 9: the one point through three million acres of loss I've
• 58:01
  Speaker 9: habit had a year. A lot of people will say
• 58:04
  Speaker 9: it's fire and invasives because they see the fire and
• 58:08
  Speaker 9: they say, well, that's the cause, and it's caused by
• 58:10
  Speaker 9: this invasive species. We hit the North American Gross Partnership.
• 58:13
  Speaker 9: We disagree. It is not fire and invasives. It's invasives
• 58:18
  Speaker 9: and fire, gotcha. And what I mean by that is
• 58:22
  Speaker 9: fire has been a part of stage brosh ecosystems for millennia.
• 58:25
  Speaker 9: The difference is cheak grass. The reason why cheek grass
• 58:28
  Speaker 9: exists is chronic overgrazing. What all the Leopolds said, I'm sorry,
• 58:31
  Speaker 9: chronic soil disturbance. What all the Leopold said is it's overgrazing,
• 58:36
  Speaker 9: which is true back in the days, you know, in
• 58:37
  Speaker 9: the nineteen forties. Remember the Tailored Grazing Act was passed
• 58:41
  Speaker 9: to try to get hold of massive overgrazing on public
• 58:43
  Speaker 9: lands way back when, and that's still a legacy today.
• 58:46
  Speaker 9: But there's other disturbances like atv use and other things.
• 58:49
  Speaker 9: So it's the cheek grass driven by fire and all
• 58:53
  Speaker 9: of these other things that's causing that one point three
• 58:55
  Speaker 9: but the bulk of the one point three million acres
• 58:57
  Speaker 9: per year of stage grouse habitat gotcha.
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Wow, And so that that's your main focus, like like
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: like what what is what does that like mean?
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Though?
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: For like is is there like how do.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: You get rid of it?
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: And can you get rid of it?
• 59:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah? No, you can't. You know, you drive I eighty
• 59:18
  Speaker 9: through central Nevada, that's always going to well, as far
• 59:21
  Speaker 9: as I'm alive, Yeah, you guys do, it's probably always
• 59:24
  Speaker 9: going to look like it does that. You know, these
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: golden stands of grass that look pretty to the untrained eye,
• 59:29
  Speaker 9: but it's all cheap grass. And but at higher elevations,
• 59:32
  Speaker 9: other native grasses and plants can win out. But here's
• 59:35
  Speaker 9: the good news. Most of stage most of grasslands not
• 59:39
  Speaker 9: just for sage gross but greater prairie chickens, less prairie
• 59:41
  Speaker 9: chickens sharp tails are managed as range lands, both public
• 59:45
  Speaker 9: and private land and ranchers don't want cheat grass either,
• 59:49
  Speaker 9: and so with the Grouse Partnership's goal is to empower
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: ranchers to recognize the opera they opportunity they have to
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: avoid chronic soil disturbance through overgrazing, which is less of
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 9: an issue now, but sites specifically on a lower elevation
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 9: south facing slope could still be an issue. And so
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 9: our goal is to work with the people that manage
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 9: the lands and even own the lands, the ranchers, to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 9: empower them to make sure that they're avoiding chronic soil
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 9: disturbance in the form of overgrazing, and then other things
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 9: atv use. You know, one of the things, one of
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 9: the vectors that's sea grass is County road crews blade
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 9: the side of a gravel road every spring, take up
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 9: the native plants what comes in behind it cheat grass.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 9: They do it in the name of fire breaks along
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 9: the roads, but then end up providing perfect habitat for
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 9: cheek grass, the most fire loving of all species, to
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 9: grow in alongside the road. So there's a lot of
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 9: opportunities to do better.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Great, Well, we're gon before. There's not just sage grouse
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: out there, and you guys assume we'rek with other grouse species.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: So I want to ask you if there's any major
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: conservation issues surrounding other species of grouse, you know, like
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: we've got five species of grouse here in Montana that
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: hunters can go after, and we had a boom year
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: for sharp tails last year. You know, our dusky and
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: rough grouse seem to be doing well, but like back east,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: in states like Pennsylvania, rough grouse are really struggling. The
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: flip side of that is, I just heard, I think yesterday,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: that Wisconsin is opening up a hunting season for sharptail
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: grouse after a long period of them being off limits
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: to hunters. You got anything for us about other grouse species?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and so you've just you got it right, Brody.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 9: You know, rough grouse back east not doing well because
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 9: of reforestation of lambs that used to be either open
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 9: meadow or for rough grouse. What they like is the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 9: edge habitant between the meadow and the timber. A lot
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 9: of people value trees more than grass, and they that
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 9: anybody trying to cut a tree as a bad person,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 9: and so rough growse are in trouble because of that
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: social phenomenon, which is interesting back east, but out west,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 9: you know, here's the same thing here where I live
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 9: here in Idaho. You know, we got great rough grouse
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 9: habitat and they're doing pretty well. And then for sharpies
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 9: in Wisconsin, what great news. You know, they feel like
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 9: they've been doing enough habitat work to rebuild populations enough
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 9: to offer a few special tags on the sharpiees and
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 9: that's good, good for them.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well great, great having you on. What can
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: people do to help you guys out before you go?
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 9: So, you know, sage grouse this news in North Dakota.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 9: I'll tell you interesting story. I was talking to Jesse
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 9: kolar As, the biologist for North to Go to Game
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 9: and Fish about this. He said, Ted, you know, the
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 9: sage grouse blinking out in North Dakota, sadly is something
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 9: that we've seen coming for some time, right, he said,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 9: But what really scares him is that thirty to fifty
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 9: years from now, sharp tail grouse in North Dakota might
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 9: be in the same boat.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: For the same reason. I'm assuming, Yes.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 9: Habitat that's right. Grasslands are the most threatened ecosystem on
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 9: the continent and then the world. But it's such a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 9: slow burn. It's like boiling the frog, right, I've heard
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 9: that saying where you throw a frog into hot water
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 9: jumps out. You're throwing a cold water turn around the heat.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 9: It'll die, it won't jump out. So it's like we're
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 9: in this hot water and it slowly gets hotter every
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 9: year and we're just not waking up to it. So
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 9: what the Grouse Partnership really is focused on right now
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 9: is trying to save lesser prairie chickens, which were recently
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 9: listed under the Endangered Species Act. Keep in mind that
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 9: as recently as eleven years ago you could hunt for
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 9: lesser prairie chickens and today they're listed under the Endangered
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 9: Species Act. And what we've done is we've reached out
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 9: to the best landowner, rancher, conservationist heroes we could find
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 9: in Kansas, Oklahoma, Texas, New Mexico, Colorado, and we've joined
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 9: forces with them to pay them fair market value for
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 9: the ecosystem services they have to provide on their healthy
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 9: range lands. Services like clean air and water, healthy soil, oils, vegetation, wildlife, habitat,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 9: carbon storage. They don't get paid for it. They don't
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 9: get they get cost share programs, but it doesn't it
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 9: costs them money out of their pocket to save an
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 9: endangered species. That's not right. If Americans want to save
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 9: in dangered species, they should pay for it. And that's
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 9: what we're trying to do. Eighty four percent of remaining
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 9: grasslands are privately owned, most of those are range lands.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 9: Ranching pays less than any other form of land use.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 9: It's no wonder why grasslands are the most threatened ecosystem.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 9: Renewable energy, energy transmission, oil and gas, farming, feed loss,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 9: even woodland habitats and leasing for hunting can pay more
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 9: than ranching. And that's why grasslands are the most threatened
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 9: ecosystem on the continent and in the world. We want
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 9: to pay these landowners who want to save lesser prairie
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 9: chickens and other prairie grass species what it actually costs
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 9: to keep grasslands in grass well.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Great, thanks, thanks for all the good good work you're doing,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: and keep up the good work and maybe we'll check
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: back with you in a few months and see how
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: things are going well.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 9: Thank you for having me and for asking great questions.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 9: Glad to be here.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: Thanks again. Thanks Jed.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, that one is kind of some sad news there,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: but you know, you got to pay attention to what's
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: going on. We're gonna lighting things up with a fan
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: tip off and it says to pause for sound here, Phil.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 10: That's salty, Ya, that's salty.
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  Speaker 3: I trimmed that one down and made it shorter because
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 3: even I was like, this is this is too much.
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  Speaker 2: I love not my favorite one of your one of
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: your your song intros, philm.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: I know we have varieties the Spicy Life.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just being honest. That's fine, okay if you're not familiar.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: The Hot Tip Off segment is where two of our
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: listeners go head to head with peating nuggets of hunting
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: and fishing wisdom, and then we decide which one is
• 1:06:04
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• 1:06:09
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• 1:06:13
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• 1:06:16
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• 1:06:19
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• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: some what you feel useful tip that has like something
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: to do with hunting fish in the outdoors, gear whatever,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: We'll look at anything, as long as it kind of
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: falls under our umbrella and put the subject line hot
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: tip off in there, and and it'll eventually get to
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: where we can take a look at it and you
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: might make it on the show.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: Oh and when really, I don't see it in the
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: script here Brody, but you the live chat will be
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: deciding the winner of this.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: Oh we're not to see you guys or not.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: We're a way in though, Yeah yeah, yeah, Korean Seth
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 4: and Brody will weigh in. Maybe that will sway your vote,
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  Speaker 4: but I will I will open a pole after the
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: video and you guys are going to choose the winner of.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 3: The high I like to influence the voters.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah all right, So for today, we're talking fishing with
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: hot tip offs today and we've got David McMurray from
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Kake Kro Hero that says pronounced Krokro, Georgia and Adam
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: Smith he's from somewhere in America, and they've got a
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: couple of hot fishing tips. So roll the tape, fell.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 6: Stephen McCurry, Hey meet either.
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  Speaker 11: This is David McCurry from Caro, Georgia, and my hot
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 11: tip is using a clam knife to scale brim. As
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 11: you know, clam knife is pretty dull, so that when
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 11: you're putting pressure down on these big blue gill to
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 11: remove the scale, getting cut down through the skin of
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 11: the meat, which makes a scaling process pretty difficult after that.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: Also, it has a real stiff blade.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 11: So that when you're pulling against these thick scales on
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 11: a big blue gill, the blade is not flex so
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 11: you are able to pop the scales off relatively easy.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 11: And then the last thing I like about the clam
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 11: knife is this rounded point. Once I remove the scales
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 11: off the main part of the fish's body, I like
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 11: to point my knife down to get along the edges.
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 6: Of the fins.
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  Speaker 2: And he's doing a great child with his clam knife.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 11: As opposed to a regular clean knife. You don't take
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 11: a chance of stabbing the point down into the fish again,
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 11: making it difficult to.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: Clean your hands.
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  Speaker 11: My hot tip using a clam knife to scale a
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 11: big bluegill.
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  Speaker 3: Interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Adam Smith coming out with a fishing
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: tip straight from the lake. I'm out here walking the
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: banks and I'm keeping a few bass, and I've got
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: a great way for harvesting fish while you're walking instead
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: of a changed stringer or a basket where you're having
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: to carry it around, is taking the space in your hands,
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: or you're hanging off of you and your fish are
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: going in and out of the water and getting all
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: beat up.
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  Speaker 3: Go down to the store pick up for real cheap
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 3: a backpack, cooler.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: Pack it with three or four or five pounds of ice,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: and carry your fish around on your back.
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  Speaker 3: It works great. Mm hmm. The fisher right on you.
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  Speaker 1: Your hands are free, fish aren't getting beat up, they're
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: staying cool. If it's hot out, It's a great way
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: to keep fish while you're walking around.
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  Speaker 3: I hope you like the tip. Talk to you later.
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  Speaker 3: There you go. I liked them both.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but as a kid who dragged a lot of
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: fish around on a stringer, they're like dying and getting warm,
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: and you know, they look pretty bad by the time
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: you get them home. Yeah, I like the cooler tip.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: I like the cooler tip too.
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  Speaker 3: You know, one time when I was a kid, I
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 3: caught a bunch of trout one time Pennsylvania, and I
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: didn't have a string or anything, but I had one.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 3: I was like, you know, like the fishing vest in Pennsylvania.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: It's got the Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I threw the trout back there, got home, pulled
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 3: him out, flayed him up, and then a couple of
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: days later, like I washed it out, thought so at
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 3: least a couple of days later, I'm like, what in
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: the hell is stinking guys looking around and figured out
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: that I had left a trout. Yeah, so the backpack
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: would would have been a pretty pretty close close poll.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 3: Right now, it's neck and next trying to.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 5: The clam knife technique, I.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Kind of figured you'd go. Here's why I think it's
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: it's a it's it's it's a good tip, but it's
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: like it falls second from me. It's because like anglers
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: in Wisconsin ain't buying clam knives to scale stuff, you
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: know what I mean, you know they could, but there's
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: a lot of tools you can use.
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  Speaker 5: The scale right right, Yeah, I mean I think I'm
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 5: looking at the clam knife in the same way I
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 5: might like, uh, the back of a butter knife or
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 5: you know, just like a different just having a different,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 5: more blunter edge, you know, tool to do.
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  Speaker 2: You got enough info yet, philler you need to keep
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: it is neck and neck.
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  Speaker 3: So if you if you are in the chat and
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 3: you have not voted, get in there state right. What
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 3: I like about the clam knife is like I like
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: finding something that's not meant for that thing, using it
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: for that like multip like catfish plyers. Like I think
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 3: that's a crucial tool to have for a lot of
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 3: fishing things like I use those to pull bones out
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: of salmon. I use them for flame. It's just like
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: it's not just made for you.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Might be effecting the outcome here. While Feel is waiting
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  Speaker 2: for people to vote, our are our winner today is
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  Speaker 2: going to receive a Mediator hat, hoodie and T shirt
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  Speaker 2: combo and the T shirt Feel do you got the
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  Speaker 2: graphic ready? The T shirt is our new badass gnome
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  Speaker 2: T shirt. It's almost archery season, so we made a
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  Speaker 2: shirt with anome making a real lifelike three D unicorn
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  Speaker 2: archery target.
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  Speaker 5: Well see like carving it out of a tree stump.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, making his own three D target.
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  Speaker 5: You guys, vote, Come on, folks.
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  Speaker 2: And I think the shirt comes out tomorrow on the website.
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  Speaker 2: Not positive about that, but I think it's tomorrow and
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  Speaker 2: they'll probably sell out pretty fast. So if you want one,
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  Speaker 2: you're gonna want to hop on the website and get
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  Speaker 2: it ordered tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: All right, voting is slowed down and wait, someone has
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  Speaker 4: pulled ahead. Okay, so we gotta go ahead and the
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  Speaker 4: poll and with fifty nine percent of the vote now
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  Speaker 4: the winner is Adam with the backpack.
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  Speaker 2: David, Sorry, man, this is a great hot tip, but
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  Speaker 2: Adam wins here. We don't know where Adam is from,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll have to we'll have to get in touch
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  Speaker 2: with him and contact him about his his.
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  Speaker 4: Uh keeping his fishing spots secret. Yeah, Casey thinks he's
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  Speaker 4: in the witness protection program. I also like that you
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  Speaker 4: could throw some cold beers in that cooler.
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  Speaker 2: Too, totally, man, that's the thing, like keeping that fish
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  Speaker 2: cold and like, because it's just like if you're it's
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  Speaker 2: like for a short bound angler. It's tough out there,
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  Speaker 2: it is. It's not like being a boat where you
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  Speaker 2: just like have room for a big cooler full of ice.
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  Speaker 2: So I think it's a great tip as long as
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  Speaker 2: you're willing to lug the waiter around.
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  Speaker 3: Yep.
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  Speaker 2: So that's uh, that's it for that. We got our winner.
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  Speaker 2: There are we going back to the chat one more time.
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  Speaker 4: Chat's pretty light, so but I'll hit a couple here.
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  Speaker 4: If you've got something stupid, even incredibly shallow, you have
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  Speaker 4: a great chance of being picked.
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  Speaker 2: I guess we're just not that interesting.
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  Speaker 4: Well, honestly, More was getting the most questions and the
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 4: chev people kept asking him about Hungary, what's it like
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: to live there? What kind of stuff is equal that.
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  Speaker 7: Like?
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  Speaker 3: A couple of people.
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  Speaker 4: For our year anniversary, which is coming up in a month,
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  Speaker 4: which is crazy to think about it.
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  Speaker 5: We should ask questions about well.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to have you on the show soon. Andreas
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  Speaker 4: asks Krinn what her favorite Hunt or Hunt adjacent trip
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  Speaker 4: has been since she's worked here thus far.
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  Speaker 5: I think I love the water so much, so I'm
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  Speaker 5: gonna have to give it to the Bahamas trip a
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  Speaker 5: couple of years ago for Kimmy Werner's show We Were
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  Speaker 5: We were there with UH with Cam kirk Connell and
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  Speaker 5: Steve for for her first No No. I think it
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  Speaker 5: was a third episode of her series, and we did
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: a podcast down there too, So it was it was
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  Speaker 5: watching them dive and spear and UH Steve put me
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  Speaker 5: on my first UH fish that I was able to
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  Speaker 5: spear in very shallow water because I had hard time
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  Speaker 5: holding my breath for so long to die. But I
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  Speaker 5: would say that being being in the ocean and watching
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  Speaker 5: those three pros do what they do, that was probably
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  Speaker 5: the most eye opening, exciting, wonderful trip for me. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Cool Nate asks any secret talents from us in the
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  Speaker 4: room that we just don't talk about because we're it's
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: not not a part of the four verticals. Do you
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  Speaker 4: guys have anything that's not hunting related that you that
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  Speaker 4: you pride yourself on?
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  Speaker 2: Is Karin's weird taxidermy?
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  Speaker 3: I think.
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  Speaker 5: I haven't done a thing in a while. I probably
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  Speaker 5: need to go back and you know, make some make
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  Speaker 5: something squirrels.
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  Speaker 2: You got any weird talents that we don't know about?
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  Speaker 3: Not until I can think of off the top of
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  Speaker 3: my head.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 4: That's the thing about working at Meat Eater, Like, aside
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 4: from me, like the people who are part of the crew,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 4: they work here because they're really their their their talent
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: is they put on display here at the company.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean i'd.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 5: Say you guys like are handy as heck. No, I
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 5: mean like with with building, with fixing stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Well, you know, like I fixed stuff thanks to YouTube.
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  Speaker 3: I'm actually getting ready to rebuild my trolling motor, which
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 3: is gonna be a project, a project. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I mean a lot of people don't close the gap
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 5: between like going to YouTube and empowering themselves with the
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 5: skills will like call someone else. But so I'd say
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  Speaker 5: that you guys have that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm real good at grown cucumbers, Phil like really good
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  Speaker 2: at grown cucumbers.
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  Speaker 5: Would say tomatoes too.
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  Speaker 2: I think you're oh, yeah, they're coming than Steve's thought
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 2: about that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, is your garden just kicking butt this year?
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 5: Well? Every year? He like brought in great lettuce the
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 5: other year, and.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it's been it's been a pretty good garden year.
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  Speaker 5: Green thumb, Brody.
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  Speaker 3: Let's see.
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  Speaker 4: There's one about just general Colorado elk archery tips from Andrew.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know where to start.
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  Speaker 3: I know, that's the thing I said. I said, even
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  Speaker 3: if they were shallow, Brody, I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't know where to start.
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  Speaker 3: Walk further than most people.
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  Speaker 4: Networks any getting into berry season? Do you guys forage berries?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? And what's your favorite one? I'll tell you a
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 3: little bit about my berry patch in my backyard this year.
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  Speaker 2: Did you guys transplant wild ones like Steve did, and
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: you just grew from from it?
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  Speaker 3: While they came with the house when we bought the place. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but we've expanded it just by letting them grow. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't know our berry patches maybe what kind
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  Speaker 3: of berries? Raspberries? It's maybe thirty thirty feet long, just
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  Speaker 3: like a row of raspberries, and we got probably close
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  Speaker 3: to six gallons of berries. Off of them this year.
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  Speaker 2: That's nice.
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  Speaker 3: And they're just they just every days. Wow, we pick
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  Speaker 3: them every single day.
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  Speaker 5: How to even keep them in a row? Aren't they
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 5: like the what do you call them? The seven?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? If I just let our yard go for a
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: couple of years, the whole damn thing would be raspberries.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, we just pull them out with the mower
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: For wild berries, we try to get out. It's coming
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  Speaker 2: up on huckleberry season around Tier. That's the main thing
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  Speaker 2: around here for sure. In Colorado, we used to do
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  Speaker 2: service berries, which are okay, but they're very seedy. They
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  Speaker 2: got a lot like a seedy. It's not a pit.
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  Speaker 2: They just have a lot of seeds and they're they're
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: good if you cook them down. And like, there's plenty
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: of service berries around here, but compared to huckleberries, I.
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  Speaker 5: Don't even know what a service berry looks like.
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  Speaker 2: It is bushy thing.
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  Speaker 5: Are the actual berries like yellow?
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  Speaker 2: They look like a blueberry almost?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, okay, we're gonna be hitting some some blueberries here, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: Prince of Wales, Yeah we'll be.
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  Speaker 2: There's probably a lot of bears around because we'll be there.
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  Speaker 3: During Yeah, I'm hoping it's not. It depends. Last year
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  Speaker 3: we were like kind of borderlined late for the berries,
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  Speaker 3: which we might be too late this year. But I
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  Speaker 3: know with those up there, they get pretty wormy they go.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, we pull them and like if you let
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  Speaker 3: them soak for a little bit and some water, the
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 3: worms come out and then you can yeah kind of
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  Speaker 3: you know whatever, throw them in some pancake batter.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Chase says, flip flop flesher, I have a
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  Speaker 4: frozen beaver that I sill need to take care of.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: I've never fleshed one myself. Should I buy a fleshing
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 4: beam or try to build one?
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: If you have, Oh, you can build them pretty easily.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: My my beam is like a chunk of that log
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 3: siding that like only one side of it is actually
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 3: it's like dimensional lover except for one side that's like rounded.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: So we just took that and and kind of you know,
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: tapered the tip down and then mounted it on a stand.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: The stands probably the hardest part. Either gotta know how
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: to weld to build a stand, or there's other options.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: You could you know, mount it to like a big
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: heavy stump or something like that. Do a video tutorial building. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I could do that. Mine's a welded metal stand. I've
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 3: seen them where like guys have mounted them just to like,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: you know, something heavy that's gonna but.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: You need that thing to get it done.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah for the most part. And I've seen
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 3: some guys where they'll just like throw them over their
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 3: knee and like flesh them with a knife. That's just
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: some guys are good at John Hayes the taxi derm
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: as he does stuff like do real quick.
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  Speaker 4: But Master Butcher, says philm my Son got cast as Gaston.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: Any tips to prep for such a character, I'm guessing
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: referring to Gaston from Beauty and the Beast, and I
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: would say the person I would say, just watch a
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: lot of Andrew Tait videos.
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  Speaker 3: Uh no, for the love of God, don't don't do that.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 3: That was a joke.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: I would say, a character like Gaston who thinks he's
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: the hottest ship in the world but is actually not.
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: When you buck on the stage, you want to project
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: you're the hottest in the world, that have have like
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: a secret character trait where he just he's like afraid
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: of something very silly like mice or spiders. And don't
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: tell anyone, but just kind of think about that when
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 4: you're on the stage to kind of and and maybe
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 4: that insecurity pokes through.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 3: That's that's my tip.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: Hot film.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: It's almost like method acting almost.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and then just yeah, pretend to be asked on
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  Speaker 4: for the next three months until you count on stage.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: Is that it for today?
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 3: Let's call it let's call it there.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's a long show.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 3: It's a good one.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: All right, we're almost done. But I got to ask
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: you guys one more favor. Chester's real board out out
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: and with cons and he's got nothing to do, so
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: we need you to send him send in some questions
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: for Chester's Chettiquet series that we do here on the
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: show where he answers various outdoor related ethical conundrums. Do
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: we have Is there a chettiquet email? I should have
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: found this out there?
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 5: There is not the Yeah, they've come in multiple ways,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 5: like sometimes to our regular inbox. But let's have them
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: go to radio radio app radio. We'll do that and
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 5: then just put it chetiquet in the subject line.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: All Right, there you go. That's it for today. Thanks
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: everyone for tuning in, and have a great weekend. We'll
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: see you next week.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: Later folks,