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Ep. 235 ~ How Did They Know??? · The Lone Gunman Podcast : JFK Assassination

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buckled in for another exciting episode. Today we're gonna be talking about a very
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intriguing top position. You know, sometimes you went across things in the course
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of your research to the thinking, you know what, this might be a
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smoking gun, this might be the smoker you know from which five Yeah,
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I'm totally butchering this euphemism, but you get the point where there's smoke,
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there's fire, And I believe that there was some fire on November the twenty
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sec, nineteen sixty three, and I promise we'll get there. Just hanging
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of the issue here today. In the course of investigating Lee Harvey Oswald on
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November the twenty second, nineteen sixty three, we run into several problems with
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the official story, okay, and I believe the Warrant Commission I realized this
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as well. So in March eighth, nineteen sixty four, I got a
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memorandum here from Norman Gredlick, and this is the misters misters all Belan,
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Hwert, Griffin and Stern all Worn Commission Junior Council. There seems to be
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considerable uncertainty as to the precise lead which caused the Dallas police to go to
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Oswald's roomy house at ten twenty six North Beckley. Mists Hubert and Griffin have
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expressed interest because of the possible implication of Missus Roberts. Mister Stern and I
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should be concerned with this. In our investigation into the FBI's prior contact with
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Oswald, we have attempted to discover whether the FBI knew where Oswald was living.
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It is interesting to note that on page one sixty five with the dp
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D Report, Commission number eighty one B, Captain Fritz directed various police officers
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to proceed to the Pain home and to ten twenty six North Beckley at precisely
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the same time two thirty pm. The police report does not indicate how Fritz
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was aware that Oswald was living there. If the police officers had not yet
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reached the Pains by two thirty, then it would appear that the lead to
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ten twenty six North Beckley would have had to come from some other source other
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than Rouse Pain. The first interrogation of Oswald occurred at two twenty pm according
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to Dallas Police Report, page one sixty five, Commission number eighty one B.
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President of this interrogation where FBI agents book out and hosting one possible source
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of Oswald's Beckley streetd Desk address. It could have been the FBI agents.
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Another possible source might have been Missus Roberts, who might have seen Oswald's picture
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on television, but apparently she didn't identify Oswald until after the police reached her
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house, at which time she saw a picture of Oswald on television and identified
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him as oh League. According to a report appearing in Agan Jimberling's Report of
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November thirtieth, mister A. C. Johnson, the owner of ten twenty
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sixth North, Beckley, advised the FBI that he had just seen on television
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a person known to him is oh League, but was identified on television as
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Lee Oswald. Johnson apparently notified the FBI to this effect on November the twenty
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second, but we do not know the time. I would think it extremely
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unlikely that Oswald's picture was on television prior to two thirty. If this is
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so, then the lead which directed the police to the rooming house could not
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have come from Johnson's call. I would like to receive any information any of
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you have concerning this point. All right, So they got a problem,
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okay? At two forty pm, we Potts, bl Sinkle and Lieutenant Cunningham
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or dispatched at ten twenty sixth North Beckley. Potts wrote in his after action
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report that after he finished taking some out for David's Fritz dispatched them to the
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Beckley Street address at two forty and they arrived at Beckley at three pm.
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Detective Sinkle also said in his after action report that they arrived at ten twenty
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six North Beckley at three pm. Now pretty pretty quickly they had established that
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Oswald had been staying or had the address. When he filled out them what
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they call it an application for employment, he put down twenty five fifteen West
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Fistory, Irving, Texas, which is Reef Pain's address. So officers were
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actually dispatched to Irving first, but because of the forty minute wait at the
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Irving address, the police actually arrived at Beckley before the Irving address had even
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been searched. According to UH, they were the finding officers. They did
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not search the room on Beckley until Detective Turner David Johnston, a Deputy DA
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Bill Alexander, arrived with a search warrant at four thirty or five pm.
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So if the police had already been Beckley for thirty minutes before they began to
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search at Irving to find a telephone number that they Crisp Frost, how did
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they know about the Beckley roomy house address? So it gets it we get
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into some very convoluted things here. So what they're referring to there is that
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allegedly there was some things said that after responding to roof painting address and talking
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to Ruth Payne, the detectives were given the number, the phone number where
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they could reach Lee Harvey Oswald. Now they didn't have his address, Bruce
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Payne or Marina, and they said that they quite simply were given this phone
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number and that they criss crossed the phone number, searched it and it came
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up with the address with ten twenty six North Beckley. But if they were
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dispatched to Irving and Beckley at the same time, and officers were at Beckley
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for thirty or forty minutes before officers even got to Irving and talk to them
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and searched and found things, then how in the hell did they originally come
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up with the fact that Lee Harvey Oswald was staying at the ten twenty sixth
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North Beckley address well, according to Early and Roberts, who was the landlady.
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She was first interviewed briefly on November twenty seconds, sometime after two thirty
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three pm, by the responding officers. She stated she was watching TV when
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a man known to her as Oh Lee came into the rooming house, got
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to go from his room and left. He said he was identical to Oswald.
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When she later saw him TV on November twenty second. She gave him
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more detailed statement on November twenty seventh and produced a sheet to paper what she
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says Oswald. Oswald wrote the name oh Lee and she used it to maintain
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a record of rental payments. So Early and Roberts stating that sometime after two
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thirty or three she stated she was watching I mean this is when she stays.
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She was interviewed briefly sorry two thirty or three o'clock m On November the
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twenty ninth, Missus Roberts stated that she had seen a police car number two
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O seven drive slowly passed ten twenty sixth North Beckley while Oswald was in his
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room changing clothes on remember the twenty second It blew it's morn and then proceeded
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towards Zanga's boulevard. So it would appear that somebody in the DPD knew where
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Oswald was staying. You know what I'm saying. Now we have a handwritten
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statement from early Roberts taking on November is twenty second. I'm sorry the fifth
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day, December five, nineteen sixty three, I Earlene Roberts after being duly
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sworn due depose in state. I live at ten twenty six Beckley, Dallas,
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Texas, where I served as a housekeeper for a roomy house owned by
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mister and Missus A. C. Johnson. On Friday, November twenty second,
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nineteen sixty three, it approximately one pm. I was sitting in the
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living room watching TV about the president assassination when a man I knew as oh
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Lee but who has since been identified as Lee Harvey Oswald came into the front
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door and went to his room. Oswald did not have a jacket when he
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came in the house, and I didn't call what type of clothing he was
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wearing. Oswald went to his room and was only there a few minutes before
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coming out. I noticed he had a jacket he was putting on. I
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recalled the jacket was a dark color and it was a tight to the zips
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up the front. He was ripping the pocket or he was zipping in the
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jacket up as he left, all right. First of all, it doesn't
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quite match the light colored gray jacket that was found after the scene the Tippet
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assassin or a Tippet killing. I recalled the jacket was a dark color.
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H Oswald went out the front door. A moment later, I looked out
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the window. I saw the Oswald standing at the curb at the bus stop
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just to the right and on the same side of the street as our home.
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I just glanced out the window that once, so I don't know how
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long Lee Oswald stood at the curb, nor did I see which direction he
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went when he left there about thirty minutes later. Let me let me reiterate
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that about thirty minutes later, and this is after Lee Oswald came in the
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door and left at one oh five. Thirty minutes later, three Dallas policemen
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came to the house looking for Lee Harvey Oswald. We didn't know who Lee
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Harvey Oswald was until some time later his picture was flashed on television. I
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then let the Dallas policeman in the room occupied by Lee Oswald. While the
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Dallas police were searching the room, two FBI agents came in. The police
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and FBI agents took everything in the room that belonged to le Oswald, and
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also took our pillow case and two towels and wash claws. I have made
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this statement consisting of three pages, to Special Agent William Arterer and Arthur Blake
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of the US Secret Service. I have read this statement over and I find
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it to be true to the best of my knowledge. Earling Roberts, all
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right, so people, interesting things there, folks. The official story,
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okay, has nobody searching this rooming house until Detective Turner, Detective Johnson,
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and Deputy da Bill Alexander arrived at a search warrant at four thirty or five
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pm. What Earling Roberts just told you under oath to the best of her
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ability, in her Secret Service statement is that thirty minutes after Lee Oswald walked
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back out that front door, three Dallas police came in. They just talked
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to them, and she let him search the room. And while they were
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searching the room, two FBI agents come in and take everything, take everything
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out of the room, including towels and washcloths and curtains. And this would
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be all before the house of Wald had even been arrested at the Texas Theater.
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Why were right abouts at the same time. I mean, you figure
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half an hour after one o five, one thirty five one, that's when
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Oswald was arrested at the theater. They hadn't even gotten him down to the
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damn station yet. They hadn't interrogated him yet, So how did they know
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I could go to ten twenty six North Beckley. How how could they have
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possibly known why the smoking mirrors if by this time before two o'clock even happens
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before the officers even had gotten to Irving, the DPD and the FBI had
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already been there in search and took everything out of here, and then they
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show up two hours later with the search warrant. Something definitely smells a little
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fishy. And the reason I'm paying a little more credence to this statement from
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Arline Roberts is because it wasn't given to the DPD and it wasn't given to
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the FBI. It was given to the Secret Service, who wrote down exactly
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what she said and didn't change anything. So very interesting stuff. Also,
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it seems very odd to me about this Dallas police car number two h seven
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showing up at the rooming house while Oswald is changing his clothes. It pulls
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up, honks his horn twice. Earling Robert glances out the window, sees
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the number on the cop car. Presumably they see her looking out the window,
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and they leave. So we come back to right before this happened,
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Oswald gets dropped off, at least according to the cab records, somewhere in
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the vicinity of five to seven blocks passed the rooming house, so maybe there
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was a cock car already there when he tried to go there, and he
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told the cab driver, um, actually, just can you drop me off
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my five or seven blocks to keep going. I'll tell you when this is
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good. Right here, this is a work. So he gets out of
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the cab and he starts walking slowly towards the rooming house until he sees cop
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car leave, so then he books the ass. He gets down there,
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he goes into the rooming house. Maybe the cops that went around the block
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looking and came back this time they pull up in front of the rooming house
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while Lee Harvard, unbeknownst to them, Lee Harvey Oswald is in there changing
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clothes. They pull up, hit the horn twice, you know hawk beak
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Arline Roberts peeking out through the curtains with her with her goggles on. Seize
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them, seize the car number. They get spooked and leave, and then
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we have Oswald waiting out front, supposedly near the bus stop on Zayings.
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Interesting stuff. Interesting stuff, to think about for sure. At least it's
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a tip of the hand that we know somebody on the Dallas Police Force knows
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where Oswald lives already by one pm, a half an hour after President Kennedy's
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shot. So now we have one of the first instances of degradation towards Earlene
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Roberts. FBI Rememberandum, Dallas, Texas, March eighteen, nineteen sixty four.
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On March thirteenth, nineteen sixty four, Missus Gladys Johnson of ten twenty
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six North Beckley she is the owner an operator of the roomy house at that
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address. She said she formerly employed Missus Earlene Roberts as a housekeeper at that
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address. He stated, however, that on Saturday night, March the seventh,
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nineteen sixty four, Earline Roberts packed her ship and left unexpectedly. That
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she does not know how her president whereabouts are, but has talked to Earlene
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Roberts's sister, Bertha Cheek, who informed her that Arline left her employment as
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a housekeeper because she was jealous of the attention that Missus Johnson paid to an
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elderly rumor on missing day. That seems like an odd reason to leave and
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from what I understand, um, it was pretty much all males at these
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Rube houses. I mean, maybe there was a woman there named Katiege.
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I don't know. It seems odd to me. That's an odd statement.
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Odd statement. Oddly enough, there as an exhibit of the below that the
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President's Commissioned on the Assassination of President Kennedy sent airmail to Missus Earlene Roberts,
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ten twenty six North Beckley, Dallas, Texas a post mark March twenty seventh,
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nineteen sixty four. Somebody scratched off the address the route don't live here
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and stamped on the envelope is eight O nine slash B moved left for no
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address. Interesting. I got a return to sender by April third. Teams
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on there as well, and on June eleventh, nineteen sixty four, Las
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Johnson, owner of ten twenty six North Beckley and proprietor of the rooming house
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located at that address, advised that Earlene Roberts was formally employed by her as
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a housekeeper at that address and was so employed there. On November the twenty
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first, nineteen three, Missus Johnson related that Earling Roberts is fifty nine years
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old, diabetic, fat, and has a low mentality. Further, she
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stated the only trip she knows Early and Robert ever takes is to her doctor,
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which is also located in Dallas, Texas. Johnson advised she does not
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know where Earling Roberts is pleasantly or presently employed. This with the deposition taken
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by special agents Switzer, like I said on June nine, nineteen sixty four,
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in Dallas, Texas. So now the second degradation of Earling Roberts.
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She's fat, diabetic, and retarded. So I don't know if this is
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all tryumph to discredit what Earling Roberts has said about anything. It just seems
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odd behavior. Year. I'm surprised they didn't try to say that she was
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an alcoholic as well or had severe mental issues, as it is so often
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the case with a lot of these people that they wanted to discredit in the
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eyes of the public. So but I guess fat, OBEs and retarded will
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work as well. So so another way that these officers were possibly at ten
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twenty six North Beckley as really as they were, Um you know, was
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did Oswald tell them and when did he tell them? So? According to
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M. James, hostis hand written and temporaneous note he writes and thank you
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Bart Baradashman dot com. On eleven twenty second, three fifteen pm, Lho
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was interviewed by Fritz bookout and Captain somebody can't read it, h Lho.
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The first thing on here. Lho advised he resided at ten twenty six North
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Beckley under the name oh Lee, and he was employed with Texas School with
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Texas Book Depository. That's the first thing on here. So if this is
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correct, Um three fifteen pm all the firm or told him that he resided
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at ten twenty six North Beckley. Kay supporting to hostis handwritten notes. Now
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we looked over to Captain Will Fritz's handwritten's notes Okay has also start off with
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three fifteen pm dank and goes through didn't own rifle so I wanted the building,
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mister Trulli and two others Um home bus Gange bridges something about Hostie going
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to Russia, admits writing Russian Embassy. Hands to Hostie says lived in Russia
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for three years. Something for worth to Marines says that usual medals claims no
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political beliefs belongs to a fair play for Cuba, says supports Castro claim second
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floor poke when officer came in the first floor, had lunch with Bill Shelley
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in front. Nothing on here, Nothing is on here, writs about living
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at ten twenty six North Beckley. Nothing that's something we learned from hostis actual
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official FBI investigation member random from his interrogation of Oswald, which was done its
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dictated on November twenty third, sixty three. He states this right off the
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bat. Lee Harvey Oswald, ten twenty six North Beckley, Dallas, Texas
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was interviewed by Captain Will Fritz with the Homicide Bureau. Special agents Hosting and
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book Out were present during this interview. When the agents entered the interview room
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at three fifteen, Captain Fritz had been previously interviewing Oswald for an undetermined period
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of time. So apparently, according to them, they got there at three
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fifteen pm and by then Fritz has already been talking to Oswald. Okay,
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so where's this information? Why is all of a sudden Lee Oswald admitting it
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in the presence of Hosting okay out to living at ten twenty sixth North Beckley.
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Is this something he was confronted with by will Fritz and said, Okay,
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well yeah, that's true. Um. So according to A. C.
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Johnson's Lawrence mentioned testimony, he says, well, they just came down
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there and looking for Oswald. Beeling says, oh, what did they say?
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What his full name was? Johnson? Yes, I believe they did,
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Lee Harvey Oswald, mister Johnson, I believe they did. Did they
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say how they happened to come there? Well after he was apprehended out there,
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they searched him and found my address in his pocket, your address of
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ten twenty sixth North Beckley. Johnson says, that's right. So where is
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this scrap of paper with the ten twenty six North Beckley address on it?
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Never seen it in the official stuff with Oswald? I mean, you know
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when you search somebody they say he stayed exactly what you found, um,
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you know, bus transfer, wallet contents, pocket contents. There is no
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scrap of paper in the official records. It's a ten twenty sixth North Beckley.
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So this is what they told Ac Johnson as to how they came upon
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his address. Interesting, So we're talking to detective Bob Carroll who he grabbed
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Oswald pistol including in his belt and then he drove the car they carried Oswald
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back to city Hall, and Beeland says, did he give you his name?
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Carroll says he gave the best I recall. I wasn't able to look
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closely, but the best I recall he gave two names. I think I
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don't recall what the other one was. Did he give two names or did
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someone in the car read that from I d Someone in the car may have
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read it from my ID. I knew two names the best I recall,
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were mentioned, or any address is mentioned? Beryl says, no, that's
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nothing at fall Beeland, did you ever hear anyone say anything about having an
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address on North Beckley or on Beckley? Ryl says, I heard later,
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but I couldn't say it was who said it. When you'd say later,
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you mean later than what Carrol says later that day? Was this after you
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relinquished custody of Oswell? Yes, up to that time. Had you heard
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of it there? Well? I don't recall hearing it prior to the time
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I was in the city hall. Now. According to dus Rose, who
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was one of the first police officers to talk to Oswald when they arrived at
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the station, Ball says, did you ask him what his address was?
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Yes, but from there he wouldn't tell me. He just said, you
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find out Ball. Now, did anybody ever tell you his address was ten
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twenty six North Beckley? Roses later they did? Right then they didn't know.
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Balls says, you didn't know it at that time, Rose, No,
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I did not, now. No. Detective Richard Simms, who also
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sat on in Oswald's first interrogation that allegedly began at two twenty pm as soon
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as he arrived or shortly after arriving at the station, Ball, there was
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one time there that she learned that he had a room at ten twenty six
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norths Beckley. And when did you learn that, Simmons? I don't know
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when that was. Now. That was found out the first day, I
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believe Ball. Can you tell me whether or not you are the one that
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found out he had a room at ten twenty six North Beckley. Simms says,
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no, Sir, I didn't Ball. He didn't tell you that,
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No, sir, I don't believe he did. Now. On that Friday
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afternoon, November twenty second, three Dallas police officers and three Dallas County Sheriff's
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deputies were dispatched to twenty five fifteen West Fifth Street and Irving, Texas.
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Oswald had been arrested about one fifty pm, arrived at City Hall a little
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after two pm, and was taken into Captain Fritz's office at two twenty pm.
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Police officers A. Damn, Check, Rose, and Stove all are
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unanimous in saying that Captain Fritz dispatched him to Irving at two thirty pm.
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They were also unanimous in saying that when they arrived at this address, they
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had to wait for thirty five to forty minutes for the deputy sheriffs who arrived,
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since Irving was outside their jurisdiction. In his after action report filed with
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Chief Curry, Gus Rose wrote that after the deputy showed up, they arrived
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at the front door at three thirty pm. Harry Weatherford, Buddy Walters,
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and J. L. Oxford where the deputies dispatched to Irving. You can
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find their accounts in the supplementary reports they file with Sheryl Decker and Volume nineteen
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of the Warrant Commission Hearingers. Walters, Weatherford, and Decker all said the
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Ruth Payne gave them a telephone number where Oswald to be reached, and that
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they criss crossed that number and came up with the Beckley Street address at two
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forty pm. Hoots, Single and Cunningham were dispatched at ten twenty sixth North
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Beckley. Hotswrote in his after action report that after he finished taking some Affidavid's,
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Fritz dispatched them to the Beckley Street address at two forty pm, and
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they arrived at Beckley a little before three. Detective Sinkole also said in his
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after action report that they arrived at ten twenty six North Beckley a little before
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three pm. Oh so, folks, unless Oswald sang like a canary as
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soon as they had him in the interrogation room, which I doubt. How
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on the hell did Fritz know where about ten twenty six North Beckley? How
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how did he know it wasn't from Oswald because he didn't tell them, Hey,
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it wasn't from Ruth Paine and Marina, because they didn't know it wasn't
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from the Dallas County Sheriffs, who didn't cris Crosses information until after three pm.
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Earling Roberts didn't call Dallas please and say hey, I see this guy's
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picture on TV. He lived here. That didn't happen. So how in
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the hell Fritz know Oswald's rooming house address. They didn't get it from the
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FBI, they didn't know. They didn't get it from the job application,
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from the school book Depository or any of his co workers, because they didn't
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know about it. So how in the hell did Fritz know about this Beckley
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treaty addressed? He didn't get it from Frasier. They didn't find Bull Wesley
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Frasier until almost four o'clock or five o'clock, four or five o'clock that Friday
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afternoon, and by then there was already officers there. How did he know?
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How do he know? Well, thankfully the man himself was actually asked
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us by the Warning Commission. But what did he say? So, for
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instance, talking to Joseph baul and he says, when I started to talk
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to this prisoner, maybe just before I started talking to him, some some
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officer told me outside my office that he had a room on Beckley. I
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don't know who that officer was. I think we can find out. I
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have since I talked to you this morning. I have talked to Luke Tennant
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Baker and he says, I know, maybe who that officer was, but
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we're just not sure yet. Boss says, was there anything said about where
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he lived? Where he lived right at that time? Boss says, yes,
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Fricks, I am sure. I had no way of asking him where
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he lived, but I'm not too sure about that. Just how quick he
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told me, because he corrected me. I thought he lived in Irving,
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and he told me he didn't live in Irving. He lived on Beckley,
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as the officer had told me outside. So this is what he's seen,
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so Oswald was. Interrogation began around two twenty FBI agent Hostie, who may
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have got an Oswald's phone number from Ruth Payne during one of these two visits.
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It allegedly occurred on November first and fifth, and if Cris crossed the
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number earlier, did not arrive at Police Head Corps until three fifteen pm.
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But by then will Fritz already had them. Beckley addressed, find the answer
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to who that officer was, who gave it to Fritz, and you might
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begin to learn who, said Oswald. I agree, I wholeheartedly agree.
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Now Fritz never did supply this mysterious unknown officer who gave him this information shockingly
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enough, um, But It's then started to believe that maybe, just maybe
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somebody on the DPD was an undercover military intelligence officer and was fed this information's
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Wealth Intelligence group. And here is why they think that possibly would be correct.
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Now, Apparently, when the officers first showed up at the rooming house,
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they were asking Early and Roberts about Harvey Lee Oswald. Harvey Lee Oswald,
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not Lee Harvey Oswald. Harvey Lee Oswald. Now, remember when I
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told you that there were three Dallas County and shared He's dispatched to Irving by
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weather Third, Buddy Walters, and Jail Oxford. According to Harry Weatherford's supplementary
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investigation report filed on eleven, twenty three, sixty three, he states,
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I stayed. I stayed with Missus Oswald and Missus Payne while the rest of
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the men searched the house. While standing near the phone bar, I saw
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a black telephone address book which I picked up and thumbed through. Finally O
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for name of Lee Oswald, Texas school Book Depository and the phone number.
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Then another phone number, which I believe was written in pencil. I asked
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what this number was, pointing to the pencil number, and Missus pain and
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said that that is the phone where Lee was living. I gave this number
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to Buddy Walters and pulled him to call the sheriff and advising of our findings
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that this was all fitting in together with the assassination of President Kennedy. Now,
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from Richard Stovall's Warren Commission testimony concerning the list of items taken out of
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twenty five West Fifth Street, I've got listed one blue telephone book, not
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black, And according to Buddy Walter's supplementary investigation report, Missus Payne gave us
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a phone number and stated that was the number of Lee Oswald. However,
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she advised she did not know an address where he was staying at this time.
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I called Decker, advised him with this, and he criss crossed the
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phone number and gave us an address of ten twenty six North Beckley, and
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he advised he would dispatch other officers to cover this address. In his Warrant
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commissioned testimony taken on July twenty third, however, Walters changes the scenario slightly.
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We didn't go to the trouble of looking at any of this stuff much,
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just more or less confiscated it at the time, and we looked at
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it there just like that, and then we took all this stuff and put
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in the car. And then Missus Pain got a phone number from Missus Oswald
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where you could call Lee, Harvey Oswald and oak Cliff and from Decker we
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have a Missus Pin gave Deputy Walters a telephone number where she said that Lee
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Oswald had been staying had However, she stated that she did not know the
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address. Officer Walths then called me by a public service giving me this information.
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Whereupon I had called Alan's Sweat, Chief Criminal Deputy, and Deputy sent
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Lewis to locate the address by criss cross and also verifying the same through the
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telephone company. Mister Sweat reported to me that the phone number was at ten
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twenty six North Beckley. At this time I requested that Johnson, David Johnson,
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Justice of the Peace, to issue a search warrant to that location for
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officers to search as premises information was obtained at this address from the landlady to
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the effect of a man by the name of oh Lee had been living aainst
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this location for a period of two weeks and not one nine weeks. Okay,
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so did Ruth Payne volunteer the number, didn't Harry Weatherford find it.
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Did Ruth Payne get the number from Marina? So there's three different stories here
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from three different people. It's like this makes no sense. Allan Sweat makes
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no mention of this, and his supplementary investigation report filed with Sheriff Decker on
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eleven, twenty three day l Oxford, the other deputy present the supplementary investigation
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report filed with Sheriff Decker, makes no mention of Ruth pain giving the police
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Oswald's phone number either. Also, they say they got the north that they
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got the Beckley Street phone number after the search of the Irving address was underway.
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However, police had been at the Beckley Street address ro over thirty minutes
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by this team like we talked about earlier now with the police, and had
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already been at the Beckley Street address for thirty to forty minutes. So what
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the fuck is going on here now? According to Bruce Payin's testimony, general
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directing your attention to mission Exhibit before or two, which is your address book
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or is there anything on any of the entries which appeared on those pages which
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relate to the Oswaltz, it's a pain. The one on the left is
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the police officer who picked up the address book. Those are his initials and
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dates that he picked it up. It is pain. I don't know who
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picked it up, and I didn't even notice that it was gone. So
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she's saying she didn't give him the address book or the number, which adds
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another layer to the story. So back to will Fritz's testimony before the Warning
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Commission. If some officer told you he thought this man had a room on
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Beckley, yes, sir, all had he been had he been brought into
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the station by that time? Fritz? He it was at the station when
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when we got there, you know, he was Fritz, yes, sir.
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But then I talked to him and I asked him where his room was
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on Beckley. Ball. Then you started to interrogate Oswald, did you,
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yes, sir Ball, and you called him into your room. There was
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a weird thing called the Cozy cose I eight apartments he addressed with the thirty
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six North Beckley, And some might have thought out there that it related to
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Gary Taylor's Warren commissioned testimony that he thought Oswald was living had the Cozy eight
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apartments and old dyslexic Oswald screwed up the one three zero six addressed in the
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thirty six ten um during the two weeks from October nineteenth through November third when
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Oswald went quote missing. So who in the hell knows? Um? But
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if anybody out there has any information on how in the hell the Dallas police
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got this information about Oswald's rooming house before they should have known about it.
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