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Speaker 1: He's the god reform it.
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Speaker 2: Well, good evening and welcome to the Bolt Report. I'm
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Speaker 2: James Macpherson coming up tonight. Why are one hundred thousand
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Speaker 2: failed asylum seekers still in this country? Many of them working?
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Speaker 2: Plus Donald Trump has unleashed at the United Nations during
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Speaker 2: a fiery speech. I'll bring you the best moments with
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Speaker 2: Rowan Dean. That'll be fun. Is Queensland labor leader Stephen
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Speaker 2: Miles our most irresponsible politician. Admittedly it's a crowded field,
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Speaker 2: but I'm shocked at what he posted and then hurriedly
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Speaker 2: deleted from social media. I'll show you that shortly, and
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Speaker 2: I'll be talking to Warren Mundine a little later about
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Speaker 2: the Australian citizenship test. You won't believe the kind of
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Speaker 2: questions they're asking. But first, French President Emanuel Macron found
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Speaker 2: himself in the middle of New York traffic this morning.
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Speaker 2: Why well, because Donald Trump's motorcade shut down half of Manhattan, which,
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Speaker 2: if you think about it, is the only effective traffic
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Speaker 2: control policy in New York has implemented in the past
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Speaker 2: twenty years. But what's the Frenchman to do when he's
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Speaker 2: stuck on the side of the road. Well, Macron reached
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Speaker 2: into his pocket, pulled out his mobile phone and called
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump. You heard me right, He called him, just
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Speaker 2: dialed him up, almost like it was ordering Uber eats.
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Speaker 3: How are you.
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Speaker 4: Guess what I'm a waiting because everything is pulled them
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Speaker 4: for you.
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Speaker 2: Now, mccron was lucky. If that was Melbourne, he'd have
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Speaker 2: had his mobile phone stolen and gang members would have
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Speaker 2: been halfway to Dandenong in his car live streaming the
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Speaker 2: whole thing on TikTok before mccron had even had a
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Speaker 2: chance to bid Trump hello. But the real story wasn't
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Speaker 2: the traffic jam. The real story was that Emmanuel mccron
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Speaker 2: had Donald Trump's phone number, which means Trump has a phone,
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Speaker 2: and more importantly, Trump gives out his number. Although Trump
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Speaker 2: doesn't give out his number to just anyone, he is
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Speaker 2: our prime minister back in April, just.
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Speaker 5: Quickly knew his number.
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Speaker 3: You're texting, I'm not sure that he has a mobile phone,
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Speaker 3: the US President.
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Speaker 2: It wasn't just that Anthony Albanesi didn't have Trump's mobile number.
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Speaker 2: Albanze wasn't even sure that Trump had a mobile at all,
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Speaker 2: because you know, the most powerful man on earth definitely
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Speaker 2: governs through landline, maybe a fax machine, possibly smoke signals.
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Speaker 2: The next day, Anthony Albenzi doubled down, confirming that no,
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Speaker 2: he really didn't have Trump's number. But don't worry. That's
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Speaker 2: not how things work between Australia and the United States anyway.
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Speaker 2: We go through proper channels, very proper, so proper. It
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Speaker 2: takes I don't know, three committees, two memos and a
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Speaker 2: ceremonial kangaroo to set up a phone call or something
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Speaker 2: like that.
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Speaker 5: I'm mister, last.
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Speaker 6: Night you were've off a question upon Donald Trump's mobile phone.
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Speaker 6: With regard to the phone, hasn't it been the case
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Speaker 6: that in recent weeks you haven't been able to get
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Speaker 6: on that phone. Whilst we mightn't expect you to have
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Speaker 6: it on speed dial, isn't your failure to be able
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Speaker 6: to ring up Donald Trump and say wait on a minute,
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Speaker 6: a failure of government.
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Speaker 2: Not at all.
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Speaker 3: And you know I don't have Donald Trump's number. I
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Speaker 3: didn't have Joe Biden's number. It's not the way it
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Speaker 3: works between the Australian Prime Minister and the US president.
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Speaker 2: So today a journalist asked our Prime minister the obvious question,
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Speaker 2: how come the leader of France can pull out his
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Speaker 2: phone and call Trump while standing on a Manhattan sidewalk,
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Speaker 2: but the Prime Minister of Australia can't even work out
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Speaker 2: if Trump has an old Knockia lying around to Anthony Albanezi,
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Speaker 2: bristling like a fifteen year old kid, asked why his
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Speaker 2: girlfriend lives in Canada and no one's ever met her.
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Speaker 7: During the election campaign, he said on the second debate
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Speaker 7: that Donald Trump didn't have a moment.
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Speaker 3: I did not say that. I did not say that.
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Speaker 3: Don't don't verbal. Don't verbal me.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, what what do you think he's said?
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Speaker 3: Well, I didn't say that, But what do you think
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Speaker 3: he's that? I didn't that. I didn't say that. But anyway,
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Speaker 3: keep going.
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Speaker 2: Wow, the reporter clearly hit a saw point. You heard
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Speaker 2: it yourself. Just a moment ago, alban Easy told a
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Speaker 2: National TV audience during the election debate that he didn't
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Speaker 2: know if Trump had a mobile phone. Now, he claims
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Speaker 2: the female journalist is verbaling him, which is rich given
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Speaker 2: alban Easy has been verbaling the Australian people about power
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Speaker 2: bills for the past two years.
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Speaker 3: It will see electricity prices fall from the current level
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Speaker 3: by two hundred and seventy five dollars for households by
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 8: How sure are you that that two hundred and seventy
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Speaker 8: five is robust when you've only got three years written
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Speaker 8: twenty five.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think I know. I know because we
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Speaker 2: have done the modeling.
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Speaker 5: Do you stand by that modeling?
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Speaker 2: It's reputexas modeling.
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Speaker 5: Look, ownership of that modeling.
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Speaker 2: It's reputexas modeling. From that time.
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Speaker 5: You don't support the modeling anymore. This is you walking
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Speaker 5: away from that modeling.
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Speaker 2: It's reput texas modeling.
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Speaker 5: Liberal camera.
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Speaker 2: Elbanezing next claim that, okay, he might have said Trump
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Speaker 2: didn't have a phone, or at least that he didn't
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Speaker 2: know if Trump had a phone, but it was all
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Speaker 2: a big joke, a bit like his power price promise.
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Speaker 3: It's called a joke humor humor delightly. Well, obviously obviously
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Speaker 3: he has a mobile and anyone who actually saw the
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Speaker 3: context would know that.
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Speaker 2: Well, you saw it, did it seem like a joke
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Speaker 2: to you?
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Speaker 5: Just quickly knew his number you're texting.
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure that he has a mobile phone, the
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Speaker 3: US president, you know, as a comedian anthy Elbenezi would
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Speaker 3: make a great prime minister. Then Albinezi explained that his
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Speaker 3: hilarious gag about not knowing whether Trump had a mobile
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Speaker 3: phone was actually all about making this point. The point
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Speaker 3: I was making was between leaders of nations, you organize
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Speaker 3: phone calls, you have note takers, you do it in
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Speaker 3: rooms where mobiles aren't allowed. That's the point. That's the
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Speaker 3: way that you deal between the United States president and
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Speaker 3: the Australian Prime minister.
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Speaker 2: Which begs the original point. How come Emmanuel mccron can
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Speaker 2: just whip out his iPhone, scrolted Donald J. Trump and
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Speaker 2: hit call, not from a special room but from the sidewalk,
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Speaker 2: not on a secure line, but on a mobile, and
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Speaker 2: not with a room full of note takers, but just
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Speaker 2: two blokes talking normally, you know, like they have rapport
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Speaker 2: or god forbid, even a friendship. Speaking of rapport, it
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Speaker 2: was at that point the Prime Minister decided he had
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Speaker 2: about as much rapport with the journalist as he has
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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump.
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Speaker 3: I don't go into any of those details.
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Speaker 2: Translation, No, I don't have Trump's number.
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Speaker 9: Isn't you're going into the same why we had to
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Speaker 9: make so.
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Speaker 3: Much between them?
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Speaker 2: No, it's not so to sum up. Emmanuel mccron is
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Speaker 2: stuck in traffic calls Trump. Antony Albanesi is stuck in
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Speaker 2: an interview and can't call Trump because well he doesn't
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Speaker 2: even have the number and that well that's the real
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Speaker 2: Punchline mobile phone number or not. Antony Albanese finally has
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Speaker 2: a scheduled a meeting with Donald Trump. In fact, he
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Speaker 2: bumped into Trump today and even managed to score a
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Speaker 2: selfie with the US President. The PM posted it on Instagram, because,
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Speaker 2: as we all know, if it's not on Instagram, it
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Speaker 2: never happened. Though just looking at that photo, is Elban
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Speaker 2: Easy at an official US function or is he at
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Speaker 2: Madame Tussad's wax museum. It's hard to tell. Elbin Easy
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Speaker 2: announced that he will return to the United States for
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Speaker 2: a sit down at the Oval Office on October twenty,
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Speaker 2: which naturally begs the question, is the PM worried about
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Speaker 2: how a one on one meeting with Trump will go?
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Speaker 2: What about you, Anthony? I mean, like, you know you
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Speaker 2: are going to win the next election. He might even
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Speaker 2: be Prime Minister, who knows, But like again, like how
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Speaker 2: do you deal with Trump?
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Speaker 3: Like with trepidation? He's scared atad of me?
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Speaker 2: Sorry, that was the old alban Easy here today's new
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Speaker 2: and improved version, who is all about respect, diplomacy and
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Speaker 2: he's not scared even a bit.
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Speaker 3: Will be my seventh visit to the United States as
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Speaker 3: Prime Minister. The United States is an important relationship for US.
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Speaker 2: What I do is have.
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Speaker 3: Discussions with President Trump that diplomatic and where we have
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Speaker 3: discussions with each other. I don't broadcast everything. I broadcast
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Speaker 3: what we agreed to. That's the way I've dealt with
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Speaker 3: President Trump respectfully.
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Speaker 2: Well, joining me now is Michael Costa, forming New South
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Speaker 2: Wales Treasurer and Cameron Milner g XO Strategies Director. Gentlemen,
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Speaker 2: thanks for joining me. I'll get your mobile numbers after
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Speaker 2: the program, but I'll start with you, Michael. It would
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Speaker 2: have been a disaster, would it not, had Anthony Albanezi
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Speaker 2: returned from the US without having locked in that meeting
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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump.
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Speaker 5: That's true, and I'm glad he's got the meeting.
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Speaker 4: I say that we really do need that meeting, you know,
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Speaker 4: the two issues that have critical importance for USA, ucas
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Speaker 4: and of course the tariffs. What I am really also
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Speaker 4: glad about is the meetings in a month's time because
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Speaker 4: after Trump's speech, which I thought was a good speech
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Speaker 4: despite his style. The clear position of Australia is in
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Speaker 4: contradiction with much of what Donald Trump stands for. And
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Speaker 4: I've got to say that the recognition of Palestine, and
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Speaker 4: you know, we were promised that we would get our
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Speaker 4: bus to agree to a whole range of things, including
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Speaker 4: you know, the stopping the pay for sleigh and democratic
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Speaker 4: elections and the re recognition of Israel's right to agris.
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Speaker 4: None of that stuff exists. So given that it's in
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Speaker 4: a month's time, hopefully the environment will be a lot
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Speaker 4: more conducive to getting the things that we need.
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Speaker 5: Out of it.
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Speaker 4: But if I was Olbo, I'd certainly be worried about
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Speaker 4: that meeting because Australia has really left our best ally
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Speaker 4: in the lurch.
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Speaker 2: Michael, you raise a great point after that speech that
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Speaker 2: Trump gave at the United Nations, and I'll talk to
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Speaker 2: Rowan Dean. We're going to go through it together a
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Speaker 2: little later. But could you imagine Anthony Albanezi sitting down
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Speaker 2: with Trump right after he'd come from the UN having
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Speaker 2: given that speech. I'll tell you what, to be a
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Speaker 2: fly on that wall would be pretty amazing. So you're right,
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Speaker 2: a month from now is probably very appropriate and helpful
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Speaker 2: to our Prime Minister Cameron. Let me go to you
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Speaker 2: can Anthony Alberanezi hold his own in the Oval office
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Speaker 2: with Donald Trump. Plenty of others have been made to
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Speaker 2: look pretty silly when dealing with the US President, who
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Speaker 2: does not suffer fools.
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Speaker 5: No, that's right.
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Speaker 10: I mean Trump may well give Albo the fools Lensky,
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Speaker 10: you know, the first treatment, the first time around, to
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Speaker 10: ask him what's his position on Palestine, what's his position
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Speaker 10: on climate? And because Trump put down this position, as
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Speaker 10: you said at the UN, very firmly, and it's completely
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Speaker 10: in contrast to where Albanize is taking Australia and the
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Speaker 10: hard left of the Labor Party. So I think there's
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Speaker 10: a real problem there. And to Michael's point, you're right,
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Speaker 10: I mean unconditional serendered hamas on giving them Palestinian statehood
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Speaker 10: with no conditions is just so typically weak, typically weak
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Speaker 10: from Alboat.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely well, we will look forward to that meeting
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Speaker 2: a month from now, and no matter what happens, it's
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Speaker 2: going to be absolutely riveting viewing. I'm absolutely sure I
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Speaker 2: want to talk to both of you about asylum claims
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Speaker 2: because it's been revealed more than one hundred thousand people
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Speaker 2: whose asylum seeker applications were rejected are still here in
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Speaker 2: the country. Now, that's a record number, and it's grown
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Speaker 2: by fifteen thousand just in the past twelve months. Many
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Speaker 2: of these people who should have been deported are now
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Speaker 2: apparently undocumented workers. Michael, I think this would infuriate most Australians.
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Speaker 2: If your application fails, I think most Australians would think
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Speaker 2: you should be immediately deported. But endless appeals means people
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Speaker 2: get to stay while they're waiting for legal processes to
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Speaker 2: play out. Then officials, I guess lose track of them
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Speaker 2: and we end up where we're at.
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Speaker 5: Well, that's a joke.
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Speaker 4: If officials lose track of them, that's an absolute joke.
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Speaker 4: That's completely unacceptable. Look, there needs to be amendments to
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Speaker 4: the Migration Act and our Immigration Acts because the bottom
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Speaker 4: line here is whilst and I do support asylum seekers
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Speaker 4: coming to Australia, but in an orderly fashion, and an
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Speaker 4: orderly fashion means that you're processed off shore.
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Speaker 5: You just don't arrive and claim you know, asylum.
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Speaker 4: If you do that, there ought to be you know,
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Speaker 4: a situation where you're either deported back to a safe
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Speaker 4: location or alternatively, you're dealt with very quickly and if
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Speaker 4: your asylum claim falls over you you know, maybe given
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Speaker 4: one appeal, but after that you're taken out of the country.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's an unacceptable situation where people are abusing
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Speaker 4: the process and we have no policing of it. The
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Speaker 4: Act needs to be changed.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think you're right to talk about maybe
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Speaker 2: there's one appeal and then that's it. But at the
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Speaker 2: moment it seems like there's just appeal after appeal after appeal.
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Speaker 2: It clogs up the system. As I said, they lose
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Speaker 2: track of people. The whole thing's a joke that The
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Speaker 2: other interesting statistic that came out today was Cameron last
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Speaker 2: financial year, only fourteen percent of people who arrived here
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Speaker 2: and then claimed asylum were found to be legitimate asylum
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Speaker 2: seekers or to flip it, eighty six percent were found
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Speaker 2: their claims were not justified at all, which says to
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Speaker 2: me there's a lot of people gaming the system and
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Speaker 2: playing on our good faith.
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Speaker 10: Well, I don't think they're gaming it. I think they're
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Speaker 10: ruling it, James, they're ruining it. And this is the
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Speaker 10: problem because you know, we look like we're tough on
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Speaker 10: the borders, but in fact not, we're letting people come here,
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Speaker 10: and I agree, Michael, proper asylum seekers through un refugee camps,
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Speaker 10: like we've always got to have open arms for. But
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Speaker 10: there's clearly a whole cohort of people who are gaming
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Speaker 10: Tony Burk's rules, gaming them for their own advantage, and
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Speaker 10: then slipping into the ether in terms of this illegal
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Speaker 10: workforce that's out there taking up rental ropperies, taking up
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Speaker 10: houses as well, no doubt. So this is the problem. No,
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Speaker 10: if you have your visa rejected, you need to be ejected.
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Speaker 10: We need to send them home, Michael.
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Speaker 2: The other thing about this is that, and I'm a
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Speaker 2: big believer in you know, oftentimes we ignore things because
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Speaker 2: we say, wow, it's not big enough to worry about.
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Speaker 2: Then it gets so big you're unable to do anything
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Speaker 2: about it. We've seen in Europe and in the United
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Speaker 2: States when it eventually became such a big problem that
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Speaker 2: really it demands action. In all hell breaks loose because
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Speaker 2: there's no polite or nice way to deal with it. It
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Speaker 2: gets ugly, and that's really the danger for our country.
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Speaker 2: If the government doesn't address this. As I said, it's
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Speaker 2: at record numbers now and growing.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely And again I refer to Trump Trump's speech to
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Speaker 4: the UN. I mean he made it absolutely clear that
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Speaker 4: it's a major problem across Europe, and you know, I
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Speaker 4: thought he's point about diversity of countries and the problems
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Speaker 4: that they're facing with illegal immigration was a good point.
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Speaker 4: I have to say that, thank Evans. In Australia, we've taken,
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Speaker 4: on a bipartisan basis in the past a fairly strong
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Speaker 4: stance on this, and I note that the current labor
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Speaker 4: governments reversing some of its approach with NAARU and other
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Speaker 4: places as offshore processing facilities. But you're absolutely right. You
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Speaker 4: want to have a situation where the public supports proper
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Speaker 4: asylum seeker processes for genuine people and those that are
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Speaker 4: ruding the system, as Cameron says, or are abusing the system,
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Speaker 4: just have to be dealt with very quickly.
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about trouble brewing within the coalition
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Speaker 2: party that's a different kind of asylum at the moment,
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Speaker 2: as the Liberal front bencher Andrew Hasty has taken the
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Speaker 2: social media to call out what he says are nameless
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Speaker 2: cowards and muppets who anonymously criticize him. He's been the
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Speaker 2: topic of scrutiny from fellow MPs who believe his personal
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Speaker 2: campaigns to promote Australian industry not uniting the party and
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Speaker 2: so Hasty has posted images of anonymous party sources criticizing
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Speaker 2: his car industry video and captured the post quote nameless
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Speaker 2: cowards briefing in the paper it was filmed by competent
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Speaker 2: patriotic gen Z staffers, you muppets, referring to the video
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Speaker 2: with the Australian made Ford vehicle that he posted the
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Speaker 2: other day. While all that's going on, Hasty has been
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Speaker 2: rapidly gathering support from other peace who quite like his campaign.
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Speaker 2: So let me go back to you, Michael, just for
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Speaker 2: a moment. This is the last thing Susan Lee needs
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Speaker 2: right now in fighting between supporters of Hasty and those
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Speaker 2: who believe he should just sort of quieten down a
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Speaker 2: little bit.
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Speaker 4: It might be the last thing that Susan Lee wants,
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Speaker 4: but it's the thing that the Liberal Party needs. They
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Speaker 4: need to get this cleansing process over and done within
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Speaker 4: the next two or three years. They're not going to
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Speaker 4: win the next election, but they need to be in
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Speaker 4: a position in the election after where they've got policies
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Speaker 4: and they've got people that are not prepared to go
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Speaker 4: along with a sort of labor light approach and have
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Speaker 4: policy differentiation. I think he's doing the right thing, and
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Speaker 4: anybody criticizing somebody for defending Australian industry has got rocks
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Speaker 4: in their head.
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Speaker 5: They've really lost the plot.
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Speaker 4: The only way you can justify that position is if
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Speaker 4: you're fully on board with the net zero religion, which
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Speaker 4: obviously a large section of the Liberal Party are, and
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Speaker 4: there lies the problem.
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Speaker 2: So Cameron, what do you say to people who argue this, Well, well,
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Speaker 2: if Andrew Hasty sees himself as a future leader, calling
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Speaker 2: colleagues muppets and cowards on social media is not the
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Speaker 2: way to promote his leadership ambitions.
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Speaker 10: No, and he should have done much better when he
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Speaker 10: was in Shadow of Defense. He made Richard Marles look
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Speaker 10: like a good Defense minister. I mean, I mean, I
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Speaker 10: know people like Andrew Hasty. I think he's overrated personally,
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Speaker 10: and I think the video was just a you know,
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Speaker 10: look at me moment again, So not helpful, not helpful
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Speaker 10: to unity, not helpful for whether the Liberal Party is
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Speaker 10: to go, which is to put Albanize under pressure, put
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Speaker 10: the Labor Party under pressure. There's plenty of things for
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Speaker 10: them to work with, but Andrew Hasty is going to
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Speaker 10: be an abstraction if he keeps this going, just like
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Speaker 10: like Senator Price was the week before.
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Speaker 2: Well, I've got to get your reaction to that, Michael,
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Speaker 2: because I figure you do rate Andrew Hasty.
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Speaker 4: Well, now, when I look across that front bench, there's
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Speaker 4: not many there that you could rate, and he's one
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Speaker 4: of them.
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Speaker 5: Of course.
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Speaker 4: Look to me, the issue is not that it's about policy.
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Speaker 4: You know she is going at les to go forward
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Speaker 4: and be a failure. We all know that she can't
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Speaker 4: even get her act together on basic stuff at the moment,
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Speaker 4: and you know she's got a process that's going to
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Speaker 4: go on forever.
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Speaker 5: The Liberal Party needs to get through this cleansing.
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Speaker 4: I don't think unity is going to help them at
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Speaker 4: the moment.
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Speaker 5: They can't win the next election. They need policy clarity.
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Speaker 4: They need to get people in there that know what
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Speaker 4: they stand for, and they need to deal with people
19:22
Speaker 4: that really do think Labor Light is the way forward,
19:25
Speaker 4: because it is not the way forward.
19:26
Speaker 5: So you know, it's.
19:28
Speaker 4: Terrible that they've got to go through disunity, but I
19:30
Speaker 4: think it's the only short term solution to their problems.
19:35
Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned that unity is not going to
19:37
Speaker 2: save them, and I'm always amazed when they call for unity.
19:40
Speaker 2: But you have to unite around something. Unity in and
19:44
Speaker 2: of itself is not something that holds you together. You
19:47
Speaker 2: have to unite around something, and something would be I
19:49
Speaker 2: don't know policy, which they're still trying to work out
19:52
Speaker 2: what their policy is on pretty fundamental issues like energy
19:56
Speaker 2: actually are We've just got a few more moments left, Cameron,
19:59
Speaker 2: not just finish with you. Just how much trouble do
20:02
Speaker 2: you think Susan Lee's leadership is in or are we
20:04
Speaker 2: overstating that she's got time to turn things around?
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Speaker 11: Oh?
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Speaker 10: Look, I think she started terribly. I think that this
20:09
Speaker 10: unity doesn't help. I don't think the consistency of policy
20:13
Speaker 10: helps her, and I don't think she'd be there.
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Speaker 2: At the next election. I think there's a lot of
20:17
Speaker 2: people who feel the same. But we'll see she might
20:20
Speaker 2: be able to turn things around. Who knows. Michael Costa,
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Speaker 2: Camerin Milner, appreciate you coming on the program tonight. Thanks
20:25
Speaker 2: so much. We're going to go to a break, but
20:27
Speaker 2: when we come back, Donald Trump unleashes at the United
20:30
Speaker 2: Nations during a fiery speech. I'm going to go through
20:33
Speaker 2: all of that with Rowan Dean, plus Jimmy Kimmel's groveling apology,
20:37
Speaker 2: but is it enough stick around? Donald Trump might have
20:45
Speaker 2: single handedly saved Western civilization from its current woke self
20:50
Speaker 2: if Western leaders listened to him. At the United Nations today,
20:54
Speaker 2: Donald Trump didn't so much give a speech as drop
20:57
Speaker 2: a series of truth bombs. He told Europeans countries were
21:00
Speaker 2: going to hell because of unchecked immigration. He rebuked nations
21:04
Speaker 2: including Australia for rewarding Hamas with Palestinian statehood. He said
21:09
Speaker 2: Christianity is the most persecuted religion on the planet and
21:12
Speaker 2: needs to be protected, and he mocked the West's determination
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Speaker 2: to ruin their economies with green energy.
21:19
Speaker 11: Europe is in serious trouble. They've been invaded by a
21:22
Speaker 11: force of illegal aliens like nobody's ever seen before.
21:26
Speaker 8: Some of this.
21:27
Speaker 11: Body seek in to unilaterally recognize a Palestinian state. The
21:33
Speaker 11: rewards would be too great for her mass. The wind
21:38
Speaker 11: does in blow. Those big windmills are so pathetic and
21:42
Speaker 11: so bad, so expensive to.
21:44
Speaker 2: Operate basically Donald Trump. Donald Trump stood up at the
21:49
Speaker 2: UN and spent an hour explaining in plain language that
21:52
Speaker 2: the Emperor has no clothes, no PowerPoint required. But it
21:55
Speaker 2: was this moment before the speech even started that had
21:59
Speaker 2: everybody talking. The escalator he was going to ride into
22:03
Speaker 2: the building stopped working the moment he got on it.
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Speaker 4: Hmm.
22:09
Speaker 2: Ahead of the summit, The Times in the UK even
22:12
Speaker 2: suggested the escalator was going to be turned off on purpose.
22:16
Speaker 2: The paper's Washington correspondent wrote, to mark Trump's arrival, UN
22:21
Speaker 2: staff members have joked that they may turn off the
22:23
Speaker 2: escalators and elevators and simply tell him they ran out
22:27
Speaker 2: of money, so he has to walk up the stairs.
22:31
Speaker 2: And then just as he was about to give his speech,
22:34
Speaker 2: the teleprompter stopped working. But Donald Trump, well, he did
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Speaker 2: not miss a beat.
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Speaker 11: All I got from the United Nations was an escalator
22:44
Speaker 11: that on the way up stopped right in the middle.
22:48
Speaker 11: If the first lady was in great shaps, you.
22:50
Speaker 5: Would have fallen.
22:51
Speaker 11: And then a teleprompter that didn't work. These are the
22:56
Speaker 11: two things I got from the United Nations.
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Speaker 5: A bad escalator and a bad teller.
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Speaker 2: And that right there was a perfect metaphor. For the West,
23:05
Speaker 2: all the right machinery, none of it functioning, and the
23:07
Speaker 2: people in charge pretending it's working. Trump got through anyway,
23:12
Speaker 2: unimpressed by protocol, unshaken by broken machines, and just a
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Speaker 2: little amused by a world that insists on treating him
23:18
Speaker 2: like he's the problem. Joining me now, as Sky News
23:21
Speaker 2: host Rowan Deanan, I want to get to Trump's speech
23:25
Speaker 2: in a moment, But first, what did you make of
23:28
Speaker 2: the chaos? The escalator not working, the teleprompter not working,
23:34
Speaker 2: and there were reports that the volume in the chamber
23:37
Speaker 2: was turned right down when Trump was speaking, so it
23:40
Speaker 2: was hard to hear him.
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Speaker 12: Well, James, great to see you. None of that would
23:45
Speaker 12: surprise me if that was deliberate, if that was sabotaged
23:48
Speaker 12: by a disgruntled or left wing United Nations employees. I
23:52
Speaker 12: repeat myself obviously, but you're right, it's a metaphor. It's
23:57
Speaker 12: a metaphor not so much for the West, but it
23:59
Speaker 12: is a metaphor for the United Nations. And it's a
24:02
Speaker 12: metaphor regardless of whether it was accidental or intentional, or
24:06
Speaker 12: a bit of both, which it probably was, in that
24:10
Speaker 12: the United Nations and Donald Trump reiterated this point later on.
24:15
Speaker 12: Although it started off with such great ideas and such
24:18
Speaker 12: great hopes, it's never really functioned the way it was
24:21
Speaker 12: supposed to function. Maybe it did in the early days,
24:23
Speaker 12: but it certainly hasn't functioned at all well for the
24:26
Speaker 12: last few decades. And Trump made the point, which was
24:31
Speaker 12: just great to listen to, how he'd pitched for actually
24:34
Speaker 12: building the original United Nations building for five hundred million,
24:38
Speaker 12: and how much better it would have been if he'd
24:40
Speaker 12: built it, that would have had mahogany and marble, and
24:43
Speaker 12: he went on and on, a classic New York real
24:45
Speaker 12: estate developer. It's still in the blood therefore him and
24:48
Speaker 12: he pointed out how much waste the actual United Nations
24:51
Speaker 12: Building cost and how kind of second rate it was
24:55
Speaker 12: in so many ways. And that is the perfect metaphor
24:59
Speaker 12: for the Nations. If I'd been Anthony Gueterus, who's a
25:03
Speaker 12: ridiculous character. He's the bloke who wades out into the
25:06
Speaker 12: middle on a beach in a perfectly good suit to
25:09
Speaker 12: demonstrate that the ocean's a rising. He's a clown, absolute clown,
25:13
Speaker 12: tells us that we're in the era of global boiling
25:15
Speaker 12: and all this stuff. If I'd been him, I'd have
25:17
Speaker 12: been very, very worried because the United Nations relies entirely
25:23
Speaker 12: on American money. Not entirely, obviously, but largely. And Trump
25:28
Speaker 12: was making the point that he thinks it's long overdue
25:31
Speaker 12: for an overhaul. And in fact, Trump made a couple
25:34
Speaker 12: of references which naturally the idiots all missed, But he
25:37
Speaker 12: made a couple of references to American leadership of the
25:40
Speaker 12: United Nations. And I suspect, you know, this is the
25:44
Speaker 12: classic Trump forty HS moves. He's basically pointing the finger
25:49
Speaker 12: at the United Nations and saying, you start doing it
25:51
Speaker 12: my way or the game's over. That you know, the
25:54
Speaker 12: merry go round can stop. You guys can all go
25:56
Speaker 12: home and do something else. I personally think the United
26:00
Speaker 12: Nations is beyond repair. I suspect Donald Trump does too,
26:06
Speaker 12: bart but you never know. And the Trump playbook we're
26:09
Speaker 12: now seeing, and it's been played out again and again
26:12
Speaker 12: and again again. So many of the idiots in Australia, commentators, journalists, writers,
26:18
Speaker 12: et cetera, et cetera, completely missed the point of Donald Trump.
26:20
Speaker 12: I'm getting quite bored with the low caliber of commentary
26:24
Speaker 12: on Donald Trump in this country, even eight months into
26:27
Speaker 12: his presidency. Trump arrangement syndrome runs through the courses through
26:32
Speaker 12: the veins of virtually every commentator respected or not respected
26:37
Speaker 12: in our media. So I'm sick of that boring.
26:40
Speaker 2: I want to I want to. I want to ask
26:42
Speaker 2: you Rowan about I want to ask you about the
26:44
Speaker 2: reaction to his speech, because it was yesterday we saw
26:47
Speaker 2: the Australian delegation there, including pennywongall clapping with big smiles
26:52
Speaker 2: as Anthony Alberanez He stood at the same podium Trump
26:54
Speaker 2: was at today announcing recognition of Palestine. I suspect there
26:58
Speaker 2: wouldn't have been so many files from pennywom and co.
27:02
Speaker 2: Today is Trump ripped into climate change, open borders, talked
27:06
Speaker 2: about Christianity needs to be protected. It was quite the
27:10
Speaker 2: speech and sets up beautifully that meeting with Anthony Albanezia
27:13
Speaker 2: month from now.
27:15
Speaker 12: Well, Penny Wong and Anthony Albanezia are a joke. They've
27:18
Speaker 12: disgraced Australia, They've embarrassed us on the international stage. Their
27:22
Speaker 12: stupid little recognition thing was as silly as it was futile.
27:26
Speaker 12: Donald Trump laid out issue after issue after issue where
27:30
Speaker 12: America and Australia are now polar opposites. And certainly when
27:36
Speaker 12: we have a prime minister he loves rushing off to
27:39
Speaker 12: China at the drop of a hat, who can't even
27:41
Speaker 12: negotiate treaties with Papua New Guinea and Vanuatu or deals
27:45
Speaker 12: or whatever it was he was trying to do and failed.
27:48
Speaker 12: Australian should start to get really concerned. We rely on America.
27:52
Speaker 12: We're a great friend of America. The Australian people are
27:54
Speaker 12: great friends of the American people. Yet we have this
27:57
Speaker 12: undergraduate socialist government who made full of themselves in the
28:00
Speaker 12: United Nations, and the very very next day, the president
28:04
Speaker 12: of the President of the USA, the leader of the
28:05
Speaker 12: free world, basically went through one after the other. Free speech.
28:10
Speaker 12: You know, what we're doing here on free speech is
28:13
Speaker 12: a disgrace. Immigration, what we're doing here is a disgrace.
28:18
Speaker 12: He mentioned so many areas, but particularly jams, climate, climate change,
28:25
Speaker 12: and the global warming hoax. He labeled the global warming hoax.
28:29
Speaker 12: It is a hoax in my opinion, It's always been
28:32
Speaker 12: a hoax in my opinion. And again, I am bored
28:35
Speaker 12: of commentators who sit there and say, oh, I'm going
28:37
Speaker 12: to talk about next zero. But you know, of course
28:38
Speaker 12: I believe in climate change or whatever rubbish. It's always,
28:41
Speaker 12: in my opinion, was a hoax. Every aspect of it
28:44
Speaker 12: is a hoax, a scam, and it's time that it
28:46
Speaker 12: was called out. And thank goodness that the leader of
28:49
Speaker 12: the free world has prepared to stand up in the
28:51
Speaker 12: face of the world. The grifters who have made so
28:55
Speaker 12: much money and impoverished millions of people, including here in Australia,
29:00
Speaker 12: their disgraceful scan, their disgraceful grift, which is deindustrializing our
29:05
Speaker 12: nations at the very point in history where we need
29:08
Speaker 12: to be reindustrializing them, preparing ourselves for AI and making
29:12
Speaker 12: ourselves strong so that we can live in peace. And
29:16
Speaker 12: the Wong Albanesi Bowen circus that hit New York was
29:20
Speaker 12: a joke and we'll go down in history as an
29:23
Speaker 12: absolute joke. And thank goodness for Donald Trump, and can
29:26
Speaker 12: Australian commentators now please start to get serious about the
29:31
Speaker 12: fact that we have one of the great leaders of
29:33
Speaker 12: the Western world and we are living through this era
29:35
Speaker 12: and we are so privileged and lucky to be doing so.
29:39
Speaker 2: James, absolutely, very quickly before you go, I want to
29:43
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on Queensland labor leader Stephen Miles. He's
29:46
Speaker 2: come under fire for a social media post where he
29:49
Speaker 2: urges young people in Queensland to rise up against the
29:52
Speaker 2: government and their alleged corruption like those in Nepaul and Indonesia.
29:57
Speaker 2: Have a look at this video.
30:04
Speaker 13: The world is at a tipping point. Young people are
30:06
Speaker 13: upset about politicians taking them for granted, using their power
30:09
Speaker 13: for themselves instead of the people, and there's something similar
30:11
Speaker 13: happening here in Queensland. David Chris Furley and the LMP
30:14
Speaker 13: are sacking highly experienced public servants so they can put
30:17
Speaker 13: their mates into highly paid CEO and bord role their
30:21
Speaker 13: former MPs doners and mates of their party, all while
30:24
Speaker 13: they pull a plug on pill testing, rego discounts and
30:27
Speaker 13: wage culture wars that leave Queensland as a stranded. The
30:30
Speaker 13: actions of politicians in Indonesia and Nepal and the Philippine
30:34
Speaker 13: have brought people to the streets. Should Queensland accept the
30:37
Speaker 13: LMP's jobs for mates racket in silence?
30:41
Speaker 2: Those protests in the Paul and the Philippines resulted in
30:45
Speaker 2: people being killed rowan Stephen Mole's team has deleted the video,
30:49
Speaker 2: and so they ought to have. It's disgraceful that he
30:51
Speaker 2: ever posted that.
30:53
Speaker 12: I forget it was it Ray Hadley who used to
30:55
Speaker 12: call this guy Giggles.
30:56
Speaker 5: Was that him or Smiles or something.
30:57
Speaker 12: I'd forgotten all about this character, and I think most
31:01
Speaker 12: Queenslanders have forgotten about him as well. He was the
31:03
Speaker 12: accidental premiere after the other one wandered off, but he
31:07
Speaker 12: was part and parcel of the entire COVID shame. The
31:10
Speaker 12: Queensland went through one of the most disgraceful periods in
31:13
Speaker 12: Australian history. Along there with Dan Andrews and Jacinta Allen,
31:17
Speaker 12: we had Bly and whatever, sorry, Anastagia Paliche and Giggles
31:24
Speaker 12: there putting the worst restrictions. If he wants to talk about,
31:29
Speaker 12: you know, dictatorships or whatever, places like Nepal and the Philippines.
31:33
Speaker 12: Just think back to the Palichet Giggles government, which was
31:37
Speaker 12: one of the most draconian and sick governments this country
31:40
Speaker 12: has ever seen. We wouldn't even let people cross over
31:43
Speaker 12: from New South Wales into a Queensland hospital because our
31:45
Speaker 12: hospitals are for us the most appalling individuals. Seriously, I'm
31:52
Speaker 12: glad he deleted the video. I think he's a fool
31:56
Speaker 12: to begin with, and I think Queensland is a much
32:00
Speaker 12: better place without him having any role in the actual
32:03
Speaker 12: governing of the place.
32:06
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. It all Rowan, I always really
32:09
Speaker 2: enjoy talking to you. Thanks for joining me tonight. I'll
32:11
Speaker 2: see you on your program on Friday night and of
32:13
Speaker 2: course on Outsiders on Sunday Morning. Well coming up, Australian
32:17
Speaker 2: business bosses have delivered a stark warning to the Victorian
32:20
Speaker 2: government about working from home laws. My panel joins me
32:23
Speaker 2: with that and a lot more in just a moment.
32:29
Speaker 2: Well joining me is my panel Gematonnini from gt Communications
32:32
Speaker 2: and Sky News contributor Caroline Derusso. I want to ask
32:36
Speaker 2: you about Jimmy Kimmel. He's made his return to late
32:40
Speaker 2: night TV after being suspended by the ABC, and he
32:44
Speaker 2: gave a tearful apology for comments last week blaming the
32:47
Speaker 2: MAGA movement for weaponizing Charlie Kirk's death.
32:51
Speaker 14: His apology, eric or Kirk forgave the man who shot
32:56
Speaker 14: her husband she forgave him. Dad is in the example
33:00
Speaker 14: we should follow if.
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Speaker 1: You believe in the teachings of Jesus as I do.
33:10
Speaker 1: There it was that's that's it, a selfless act of
33:14
Speaker 1: grace forgiveness from a grieving widow. It touched me deeply,
33:21
Speaker 1: and I hope.
33:22
Speaker 2: It touches money.
33:26
Speaker 1: And if there's anything we should take from this tragedy
33:29
Speaker 1: to carry forward, I hope it can be that.
33:33
Speaker 2: And we also added that he'd reached out to Erica
33:35
Speaker 2: Kirk and that he regretted his comments had been taken
33:38
Speaker 2: the wrong way. Donald Trump wrote on truth Social just
33:42
Speaker 2: before Kimmel went back on air, So that's before that
33:45
Speaker 2: was broadcast, Trump wrote, I can't believe ABC fake news
33:49
Speaker 2: gave Jimmy Kimmel's job back. The White House was told
33:51
Speaker 2: by ABC his show was canceled. Something happened between then
33:55
Speaker 2: and now because his audience has gone and his talent
33:58
Speaker 2: was never there. So that's where it's all fallen. I
34:03
Speaker 2: want to ask you, Jimma, this week has been all
34:06
Speaker 2: about forgiveness. That inspiring message from Erica Kirk at the
34:11
Speaker 2: memorial service. Should Jimmy Kimmel be forgiven?
34:14
Speaker 15: Well, of course he should be forgiven. None of us
34:16
Speaker 15: deserve forgiveness. If we want to get really granular and
34:19
Speaker 15: biblical about it, James, none of us deserves forgiveness. But
34:23
Speaker 15: the narrative around why he was taken off air was false.
34:27
Speaker 9: It was a lie. He wasn't canceled.
34:29
Speaker 15: He wasn't you know, he met the consequences of his actions.
34:33
Speaker 15: His free speech wasn't being stifled. He enjoyed the privilege
34:37
Speaker 15: of free.
34:37
Speaker 9: Speech and then met.
34:38
Speaker 15: The consequences when his comments were incongruent with the views
34:42
Speaker 15: of his employer.
34:44
Speaker 9: That is something that.
34:45
Speaker 15: People all around the world have to consider in their
34:47
Speaker 15: daily lives.
34:48
Speaker 9: He is not excluded from that.
34:50
Speaker 15: So my takeaway from this whole episode is again the
34:55
Speaker 15: double standard I suppose from many on the political left,
34:59
Speaker 15: not all, but many on the political left who are
35:01
Speaker 15: all of a sudden interested in making sure that people
35:04
Speaker 15: aren't censored and silenced and canceled the way that the.
35:10
Speaker 9: Current President of the United States was before he was
35:14
Speaker 9: re elected.
35:14
Speaker 15: If you recall he was dumped off Twitter, you had
35:17
Speaker 15: people in the UK who were de banked. There is
35:20
Speaker 15: a serious disconnect in reality here.
35:23
Speaker 9: So yes, of.
35:24
Speaker 15: Course he should be forgiven. He deserves it just as
35:26
Speaker 15: much as anyone else does. But let's not pretend he's
35:29
Speaker 15: the victim here.
35:32
Speaker 2: What do you think, Carolina, You're glad to see him
35:34
Speaker 2: back on air. I'm fine with it.
35:39
Speaker 7: I'm fine with it, and it won't surprise you that
35:41
Speaker 7: Jem and I would be on pretty much unity ticket there.
35:45
Speaker 9: And I think it is I think it is good.
35:48
Speaker 7: I think it is good for television broadly speaking to
35:51
Speaker 7: have a divergence of youth. What he said was pretty
35:55
Speaker 7: ghost and I think it's a reminder to everyone who
35:58
Speaker 7: likes to play a grade that, you know, a week
36:00
Speaker 7: on the bench will remind you that you're not immortal.
36:03
Speaker 7: So I think it was probably a good bit of
36:05
Speaker 7: thinking time for him, getting to cool his heels and
36:09
Speaker 7: look hopefully going forward he will just you know, take
36:13
Speaker 7: that extra moment to think before he opens his mouth.
36:17
Speaker 7: But James, you and I have been around commentary and
36:19
Speaker 7: politics long enough, and anytime you get an apology out
36:23
Speaker 7: of a lefty it's a good day.
36:27
Speaker 2: Indeed, you're not wrong about that. All right, let's talk
36:30
Speaker 2: about Victoria, where apologies have been due for a long time.
36:34
Speaker 2: I don't know that any will be forthcoming, though from
36:36
Speaker 2: Justinto Allen. Some of Australia's largest corporations have warned Hershey
36:40
Speaker 2: of course is the premiere that her plan to create
36:43
Speaker 2: a right to work from home will drive businesses out
36:47
Speaker 2: of the state. The premier promises to enshrine a right
36:50
Speaker 2: to work from home for two days a week. Jemma,
36:52
Speaker 2: would you be happy to run a business in Victoria
36:54
Speaker 2: with these laws coming into effect?
36:58
Speaker 15: I did have an office in Victoria, very briefly a
37:01
Speaker 15: long time ago, James, but it wasn't really the right fit,
37:03
Speaker 15: so we decided to wrap that up pretty quickly.
37:08
Speaker 9: The short answer is no, for a variety of reasons.
37:10
Speaker 9: But objectively, it.
37:12
Speaker 15: Is not an environment that says to business owners of
37:16
Speaker 15: any size or scale, we see you, we understand you,
37:19
Speaker 15: we want to help you thrive and build into the
37:23
Speaker 15: communities that we have here in Victoria. It is an
37:26
Speaker 15: extraordinary state of affairs when the government is trying to
37:30
Speaker 15: legislate how private enterprise employs its people.
37:34
Speaker 9: And I mean imagine the examples that have already.
37:36
Speaker 15: Been raised by companies such as West Farmers that employ
37:39
Speaker 15: people at Bunnings and things like that.
37:41
Speaker 9: You can't do your job two days a week.
37:43
Speaker 15: From home if you're working on a shop floor, for example,
37:48
Speaker 15: even as a journalist. I mean, I haven't been a
37:49
Speaker 15: working journalist for very long time, let's call it twenty two.
37:53
Speaker 9: Years, but you can't.
37:55
Speaker 15: You can't work in a TV news room and do
37:57
Speaker 15: your job from home two days a week, and I
37:59
Speaker 15: would I would argue that that is not where the
38:01
Speaker 15: best results come.
38:02
Speaker 9: I think this is a terrible decision.
38:03
Speaker 15: It's an ideological decision, and it's not a decision that's
38:06
Speaker 15: in the best interests of all Victorians.
38:10
Speaker 2: Jim Er, I'm trying to do the math. You must
38:12
Speaker 2: have started in journalism as a very small child.
38:14
Speaker 15: I was a James, of course you were, Caroline.
38:21
Speaker 2: Victoria already has the highest rate of unemployment in the
38:23
Speaker 2: nation fifteen of the last seventeen months. This plan is
38:27
Speaker 2: not going to help. And I can't understand why you
38:30
Speaker 2: would take an abnormal period i e. The pandemic and
38:35
Speaker 2: try to normalize what was done then as now a right.
38:42
Speaker 7: Precisely, and this is an example of well, not even
38:45
Speaker 7: competitive federalism, but uncompetitive federalism.
38:48
Speaker 9: And the simple fact.
38:49
Speaker 7: Of the matter is, James, if you can do your
38:51
Speaker 7: job from home, you can do it from outside of Victoria.
38:54
Speaker 7: And that's what particularly those national businesses will do, becauseultimately
39:00
Speaker 7: this is about cost base and if you can do
39:03
Speaker 7: the same job from another state, and frankly, probably for
39:06
Speaker 7: the same pay to the employee. So lowering the costs
39:10
Speaker 7: is not about what you pay your employee, it's about
39:13
Speaker 7: the associated cost with it. Well, then businesses will do it,
39:18
Speaker 7: and we already know that businesses do that. And I
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Speaker 7: remember having a conversation only about twelve months ago with
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Speaker 7: someone who was a national managing partner, and the payroll
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Speaker 7: tax rates in Victoria are the most punitive in the country,
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Speaker 7: so they were already having employing people in other states
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Speaker 7: to cover off on work in Victoria, so they didn't
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Speaker 7: have to hire people in Victoria. So getting back to
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Speaker 7: your original question, no, it is not going to help
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Speaker 7: the unemployment rate.
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Speaker 2: Mate, all right, one more quick question before we go
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Speaker 2: to a break. Are still in Victoria? This just caught
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Speaker 2: my eye. A group of concerned Melbourne dads have launched
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Speaker 2: a series of night patrol of their suburb in an
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Speaker 2: effort to deter criminals. They're calling themselves Dad's Army, and
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Speaker 2: they operate in a quite affluent in a suburb Moulven
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Speaker 2: where residents apparently fakes weekly home invasions. One of the
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Speaker 2: dads told local media, and I'm quoting, we're not trained
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Speaker 2: to do this. We don't really have any specific techniques
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Speaker 2: or tactics. But when we see any suspicious behavior, we
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Speaker 2: either report it or we do something to deter whoever
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Speaker 2: it is to bugger off Jemma, good idea or bad idea.
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Speaker 15: Well, I want to applaud these men for standing up
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Speaker 15: and being men and obviously sitting stepping into a gap
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Speaker 15: that's clearly not there for whatever problems exist in the
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Speaker 15: Victoria police system. But it's obviously fraught with danger because
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Speaker 15: while they're well intended and absolutely admirable, you don't know
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Speaker 15: what you're going to meet, and they're not as you said,
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Speaker 15: they're not trained, they're not prepared. But what a terrible
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Speaker 15: set of circumstances in which they feel that they have
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Speaker 15: to do this to protect them neighborhoods. I've got friends
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Speaker 15: who live around the Maulven area, and I can vouch
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Speaker 15: for the fact that what they're doing is required. One
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Speaker 15: of my friends, we don't even bother reporting home home
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Speaker 15: invasions anymore, or thefts and breaks and enders.
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Speaker 9: They're just so common. Again, what's happening down there?
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Speaker 15: And how come it's been allowed to escalate to this degree?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, I've got to leave it there, But thanks
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Speaker 2: so much to both of you, Jemma and Caroline, appreciate
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Speaker 2: you joining me tonight.
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Speaker 9: Thanks well.
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Speaker 2: Coming up after the break, Warren Mundine joins me to
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Speaker 2: look at the Australian Citizenship Test. You won't believe what
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Speaker 2: questions they're asking new arrivals who want to become Australians.
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Speaker 2: That's up next. There's a lot of talk about social
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Speaker 2: cohesion at the moment, where a nation that's always had
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Speaker 2: a generous immigration program, we've also expected migrants to assimilate
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Speaker 2: into the Australian way of life, or at least we
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Speaker 2: used to. And part of that old fashioned assimilation is
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Speaker 2: the citizenship test. It's designed to make sure people wanting
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Speaker 2: to join our country understand our rights, liberties and laws.
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Speaker 2: Now you'd think this would mean questions about I don't know, democracy, Parliament,
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Speaker 2: and maybe who won the cricket last summer, but you
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Speaker 2: would be wrong. I took a look at the test
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Speaker 2: this week, or more accurately, the practice test, thoughtfully provided
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Speaker 2: online by the Department of Immigration. The first question of
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Speaker 2: sparring citizens get is as you would expect. It's a
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Speaker 2: multiple choice question about anzac day. Fair enough, but I
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Speaker 2: have to say the second question took me a little
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Speaker 2: by surprise. It's a question asking new migrants whether they
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Speaker 2: know the colors of the Aboriginal flag. And if you're wondering,
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Speaker 2: that was the only flag question. I know right nothing
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Speaker 2: about the Torres Strait Islander flag, which reminds me there's
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Speaker 2: another flag new citizens should probably be asking about. But nope,
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Speaker 2: I can't remember what that is. Neither can the Greens
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Speaker 2: or Propelstinian protesters for that matter. But I digress. Continuing
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Speaker 2: through the practice test, there are on the rights of women,
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Speaker 2: when Australia became a federation of states, our capital city voting,
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Speaker 2: and the importance of freedom of speech. And then I
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Speaker 2: came across this gem. Who can deliver a welcome to
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Speaker 2: country now? Unless the Department of Immigration is worried about
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Speaker 2: new arrivals rushing the stage at council meetings to give
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Speaker 2: an unsolicited smoking ceremony, I'm not sure why this is
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Speaker 2: on the test. Most Australians, according to surveys, find Welcome
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Speaker 2: the Country more divisive than unifying, but new citizens are
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Speaker 2: being taught through the Citizenship Test, or at least the
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Speaker 2: exam provided by the Immigration Department that Welcome the Country
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Speaker 2: is one of the great pillars of Australian identity, right
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Speaker 2: up there with free speech and separation of church and state.
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Speaker 2: I actually think it's pretty funny when you think about it.
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Speaker 2: Nothing says to immigrants welcome to your new country like
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Speaker 2: making sure they know they're never allowed to welcome people
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Speaker 2: to their new country. Joining me is Center for Independent
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Speaker 2: Studies Indigenous Forum director Warren Mundine Warren. There are only
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Speaker 2: twenty questions in the test. You surprised at protocols around
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Speaker 2: welcome to country are considered important for new citizens to understand.
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Speaker 8: Just first of all, I'm not I'm not a director
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Speaker 8: at the cet of for Independent Studies, haven't been there
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Speaker 8: for a few months. Anyway, Look, you know, I'm surprised
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Speaker 8: by the questions. You know, this is supposed to be about,
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Speaker 8: you know, let's have going to become a citizen of
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Speaker 8: this country. We should be explaining in the questionnaire that
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Speaker 8: people need to study and get the right answers for
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Speaker 8: about what a great civil, liberal democracy that we are,
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Speaker 8: what our flag stands for and what are the colors
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Speaker 8: of the flag. You know, how do we have our
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Speaker 8: parliamentary system, how do we have rights, liberties and freedoms?
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Speaker 8: And all those type of questions. But then they have
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Speaker 8: you know, I remember when you used to see the
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Speaker 8: old war films, in the black and white war films
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Speaker 8: of America. These to ask the baseball question, well, you know,
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Speaker 8: I don't mind, and then tossing in the cricket question
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Speaker 8: or who won the AFL or the NRL.
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Speaker 5: But it's you know, I just find it strange that,
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Speaker 5: you know.
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Speaker 8: This is one of these watered down, woke type things
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Speaker 8: that you know, we should be, you know, we should
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Speaker 8: be taking the opportunity to really sell the country.
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Speaker 2: Well, I notice you've got the Australian flag behind you.
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Speaker 2: What do you think about the fact the practice test
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Speaker 2: at least asks about the original flag but doesn't mention
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Speaker 2: at all anything about our national flag. I think that's
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Speaker 2: very odd for a citizenship test.
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Speaker 5: I think it's bizarre.
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Speaker 8: Actually, more than I do, I think it's disgraceful, you know,
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Speaker 8: if you're going to come to you know, I don't
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Speaker 8: know about the citizens test in the United States or
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Speaker 8: other countries, but I'm sure there is a question about
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Speaker 8: the flag and what the United States flag stands for,
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Speaker 8: and why they've got stars and ban banners and stuff
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Speaker 8: like that. Look we've got the Federation Star, we've got
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Speaker 8: the Southern criss, and we've got the Union jacket and
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Speaker 8: the colors of red, white and blue. I think people
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Speaker 8: should understand what those colors actually mean. You know, I'll
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Speaker 8: be surprised that a lot of Australians don't even know
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Speaker 8: what they mean, because when I was at school, you know,
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Speaker 8: we used to be taught all that stuff.
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Speaker 5: But I don't think they actually do that anymore.
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Speaker 2: So, Warren, when you've only got twenty questions, and at
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Speaker 2: least two of them, the flag question and the welcome
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Speaker 2: to country question, seem more ideological than essential to national identity.
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Speaker 2: What do you think is going on here? Well? This
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Speaker 2: is or is.
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Speaker 5: No, it's deliberate.
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Speaker 8: It's a deliberate move by these ideological people who don't
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Speaker 8: like Australia. They actually, you don't like our flag, they
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Speaker 8: like our constitution, they don't like our constitutional monarchy. They
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Speaker 8: aren't like the idea of the federation, the states and
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Speaker 8: the territories and the local government that in the election
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Speaker 8: processes and all that.
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Speaker 5: They just don't like the country. That's that's the obvious thing.
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Speaker 8: Because you know, if you do love Australia and you
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Speaker 8: love this place, which it is.
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Speaker 5: It is a fantastic country.
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Speaker 8: It's one of the best countries in the world and
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Speaker 8: was one of the most free and liberty loving countries
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Speaker 8: in the world.
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Speaker 5: You know, you would have those questions in there.
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Speaker 8: What is the flag? What is the colors of the flag?
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Speaker 8: What do those colors mean? What does the Southern Cross
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Speaker 8: and the Federation Star and all that means within within
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Speaker 8: our in our flag and the constitution, you know that.
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Speaker 8: What what are the strong things that about our constitution
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Speaker 8: in regard to liberal democracy and the freedoms and liberty
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Speaker 8: is that we have These things should be straight there.
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Speaker 8: And the civil questions, civic questions should be there. I
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Speaker 8: don't think kids these days learn about civics. That don't
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Speaker 8: learned about what a great country had, and I don't
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Speaker 8: learn about our history and that, you know, So I
47:59
Speaker 8: just I just find it this is just an idology
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Speaker 8: could have driven and it's a disgrace.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon, You're absolutely right, Warren. I appreciate you
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Speaker 2: joining me tonight. It's always great to chat with you.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for your time. Well that's all I've
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Speaker 2: got time for tonight. But I've appreciated your joining me
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Speaker 2: through the week. I'll be back next week, but stick around.
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Speaker 2: Coming up now is Sherry markson good Night