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MINI SCROLL: D'Amelio family scandal, Prickly Pear Coffee vs. influencer + Patagonia vs. Pattie Gonia clarified · Mini Scroll

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  Coming up today on Mini Scroll, the Demilio family drama, the
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  Nashville coffee shop under fire for its drink sizes and
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  Patagonia versus Patagonia clarified.
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  Hi everyone. Welcome to Mini Scroll, the
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  daily Internet culture podcast bringing you the biggest stories
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  from social media, the creator economy and the digital space.
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  Every Monday through Thursday and sometimes Fridays, I'm your
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  host, Lauren Meisner, the founder of the youth digital
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  media brand Centennial World. Welcome back to Mini Scroll,
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  everyone. I can't lie, I am really annoyed
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  going. All right, let's get into the
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  stories for today. So the first story that I have
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  for you guys today, we haven't spoken about the D'amelio family
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  in so long, but they are in the headlines after Dumois posted a
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  blind item about the family feud this weekend.
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  So yesterday Dumois post a blind item that read quote.
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  Sources allege that TikTok and Broadway star Charlie D'amelio
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  discovered millions of dollars had been transferred out of
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  accounts that were established during the years her career was
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  managed by her parents. Insiders claim the transfers
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  allegedly occurred over an extended period and involved
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  funds that were intended for Charlie Savings.
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  According to sources, Charlie became aware of the situation
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  after her parents were allegedly supposed to be removed from
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  certain accounts. The matter is now reportedly in
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  the hands of attorneys. Sources further allege the
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  dispute has caused a major rift within the family, with
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  Charlie's sister Dixie Dimaglio reportedly siding with their
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  parents. OK, so obviously a grain of salt
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  with Dumois as always, but it's not totally shocking to hear
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  something like this about the Demilios, considering it's
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  pretty obvious that there's a major rift or a major fracture
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  in the family, and there has been for over a year.
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  The first signs that Charlie had possibly gone no contact or low
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  contact with her family were last year when she didn't attend
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  Dixie's birthday party. And since then, she's been very
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  publicly distant from her family.
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  She did her Broadway stint, and I don't think they went to any
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  of her shows after October 2024, including her closing night.
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  It's like one of those facts, those, like pop culture Internet
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  facts that are just like, seeped into my brain and they come to
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  the forefront when I have a story like this.
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  I'm like, how do I know that? I don't know, but I do.
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  Oh, and also, she unfollowed her parents on Instagram.
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  So Charlie's father Mark wrote this on the Dumois post.
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  No one called me for an interview.
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  OK, well Dumois does not call for interviews.
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  Mark. No one called me for an
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  interview. This is not true.
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  We love Charlie, but she is being manipulated and I have the
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  receipts. Over the last six years we have
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  remained silent and never addressed gossip, but the time
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  has come to set the record straight.
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  I fear framing this as like receipts, gossip, saying
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  Charlie's being manipulated publicly on this post.
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  Like none of that is good vibes for me.
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  All of that is giving red flags. Your daughter going no contact
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  with you, only speaking to you through lawyers, which he later
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  confirms. Like that's not gossip.
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  That's not something to like bring the receipts over.
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  OK, so then he was asked if he's heard from her in the comments
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  and he said absolutely not. She's always had a team in
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  place, lawyers, business manager, manager, agent.
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  We purposely set it up that way. Not sure if you know anything
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  about her family, but we were doing fine before TikTok.
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  Again, just like a weirdly kind of slimy response.
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  Just because you were doing fine financially before TikTok blew
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  up your entire life doesn't mean that after TikTok blew up your
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  entire life and you moved to LA and your lifestyle inflated by
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  like 100% that you wouldn't have needed more money.
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  And I'm not saying that they took her money.
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  I'm not saying that this blind item is true.
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  Obviously grain of salt like I said, but I don't really think
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  that necessarily proves anything.
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  So he then went on TikTok live and it was very long, but
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  essentially he confirmed that Charlie isn't speaking to her
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  family right now and says he always set out to protect her.
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  And like, the initial example that he gives of this of him
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  protecting Charlie is that he would protect her from like
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  creepy predators and her DMS and emails, which like, I hope so.
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  I hope as her father, you were the 1 monitoring your teenage
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  daughter's accounts when she became the most famous girl on
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  the Internet at 15 years old. Like I hope she did not have
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  just complete unfettered access to her DMS where I am sure there
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  were lots of creepy men in the life.
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  He goes on to say that she's being manipulated by the people
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  around her, implying her business manager, and he alleged
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  that this person views her as a cash cow.
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  All I want to do is I'm going to protect my name and protect when
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  people talk shit about me and it's not happening.
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  So and everybody knows who they are and I and I have, I have the
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  receipt. She, she hasn't reached out to
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  me and sometimes she's mad at me for something.
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  Gave my daughters everything, everything they, they, I thought
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  they wanted and needed. And now you got a bunch of team
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  around around them that think they know what's best for
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  Charlie and I Dude, I have all the receipts.
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  The problem is what am I going to do?
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  What am I going to do? If I, if I, if I sue someone,
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  What's that going to do? Drag my drag my family into a
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  lawsuit? It's emails I sent.
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  I sent one to her business manager.
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  He didn't respond back. Maybe I'll post that one later.
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  We guys should look into everybody associated with
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  Charlie. These dumb fucks don't
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  understand that I can use AI and search 330,000 emails and I have
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  everything. So you want to come after us?
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  What did our business manager, Ron Starr say?
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  Mark, you give yourself too much credit that we took money and
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  put it offshore. I don't even I don't even know
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  how to do that. I don't even know like come on,
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  dude, we got our own money. Going through this process was
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  never about money. It was always just about having
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  this crazy awesome experience with my family.
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  And as far as stealing money, if anything, I'm owed money.
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  I wouldn't put everybody on on on blast, but it's it's just
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  not, it's not accurate. And then he said that he only
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  communicates with Charlie through her lawyer.
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  Quote, we're destroyed, man. We're freaking devastated.
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  We want Charlie back. We love her.
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  OK? Obviously this is like, so sad.
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  I mean, I do believe that Charlie has cut them off for a
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  reason. One of the weirdest things about
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  all of these OG TikTok families like the D'amelios, like Addison
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  Ray's family, is that the parents really wanted to be
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  involved like in their content and in their careers from a fame
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  perspective rather than like a parental or like guardian
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  perspective. Like we saw these parents get so
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  obsessed with being famous themselves.
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  Like they all launched their own accounts, they would do their
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  own paid appearances, all their own sponsorships.
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  They moved their families to LA. Like 6 months into TikTok
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  blowing up. I feel like it was red flag
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  central. These were thirsty parents, and
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  we saw a lot of that on the Demilio show, too.
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  Like Charlie and Dixie were not doing well when we watched them
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  on that show. And there definitely were
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  moments where Heidi and I was going to say Heidi and Spencer,
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  Heidi and Mark were supportive of the girls.
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  But I would say it was still shocking to see how little
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  control they took over those moments to ensure that their
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  daughters felt protected and safe mentally and emotionally.
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  There was definitely an air of like, put your head down and
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  deal with this for the sake of the family brand.
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  But it's clear that Charlie still feels like to an extent, I
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  assume that they didn't show up for her in a way that they
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  should have to protect her mentally, physically,
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  emotionally, while she became literally the most famous person
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  in the world overnight at the age of 15.
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  And I understand that is not normal waters to be navigating.
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  OK. I also understand that Heidi and
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  Mark and like everybody involved, the whole family would
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  have had no idea see how to go about this.
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  It's an incredibly specific situation.
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  But it seems Despite that, she clearly feels like they made a
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  big mistake or some big mistakes and she's having a hard time
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  forgiving them. All right, the next story that I
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  have for you guys today is there is some coffee shop drama with a
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  Nashville coffee shop and an influencer.
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  So a TikTok creator named Katie Wood is going viral after
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  calling out a popular Nashville Cafe Prickly Pear Coffee for
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  essentially ripping off consumers with the size and
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  price of their refresher drinks. So for contact next.
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  Prickly Pear Coffee Co is a Nashville based coffee business
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  founded by Anika Ballas. The company has grown from a
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  mobile coffee cart to multiple locations around Nashville.
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  I think they have 4:00. So Katie made a video a few days
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  ago sharing that their refresher drinks, which have two types of
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  drinks in one split cup. They were selling them for
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  $12.00 and they basically contain as much liquid as a
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  single Starbucks Venti refresher which costs around $6.
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  If you live in Nashville and you know what prickly Pear coffee
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  is, I'm going to do a little experiment real quick just so
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  you can be pissed off with me, OK?
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  They have these thing called split cups, OK?
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  I usually get a refresher from them.
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  It's like, give or take 5 or 6 bucks for a refresher.
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  The split cup is supposed to be two full drinks.
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  She goes to ring it up. It's so you could try two
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  different flavors. She goes to ring it up and it's
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  like $12.00 and some change. And I go, wait, is that for one
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  drink? And she's like, yeah, because
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  it's 2 drinks. I was like, oh, it's 2 full
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  drinks. And she was like, yeah, I was
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  like, OK, I'll try it. It's like I'm making a video.
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  Anyway. I was like, whatever, I'll try
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  it. I was like, I'm going to do
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  something. When I get home after I drink
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  them, I'm going to put it in a Venti Starbucks cup because this
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  is what I usually get, like my refreshers.
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  This cup is $6. If I get a Venti refresher, it's
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  usually about $6 and some odd change, right?
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  This was $12.00. This is not full all the way
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  with water because there's no ice in this.
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  They put ice in it when they give you a refresher.
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  Venti Starbucks cup, $6 and some change when I get a refresher.
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  Look at this, add ice to that. That's just as much as you get a
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  split cup thing for half of the price.
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  I'm never going to prickly pear again.
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  I'm so irritated about it. Katie has over 300,000 followers
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  and this video got over 2.7 million views.
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  So Prickly Pear commented on Katie's video writing.
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  It's $10 because we have to make two separate drinks.
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  If it was 12, you likely added a different milk, extra shot,
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  etcetera. It's also the same amount that
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  you would get in a venti, if not less.
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  So Katie that after her video and after they commented this,
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  the cafe blocked her and then she made this follow up video.
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  I posted my video being like hey this is insane because I'm
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  getting about 16 to 20 ounces of liquid for $12.00 and it has no
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  caffeine in it and you don't have to make it.
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  It's a pre made mixture that they just pour into the cup and
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  add either water or lemonade. And they commented this response
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  and they said it's $10. No, it's not bad.
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  It's not $10. It was 12 plus.
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  If it was 12, you'd like to add a different milk extra shot,
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  etcetera. Hey did you watch the video?
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  Because I ordered every. Pressure.
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  That's not. Coffee I didn't add anything.
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  It's juice. Juice.
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  That is also the same amount you would get in a venti if not less
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  because they would add ice. You also added ice.
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  That's a crazy thing to say. Second of all, there were people
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  that commented and they're like, if you went to Starbucks and you
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  got to Grande's, you would get you, it would be $12.00 too.
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  And I to that, I want to say something so true, Bessie.
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  If I went to Starbucks and I got their Grande, which is 16
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  ounces, I would pay about $12.00 for two of them.
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  Prickly pears drinks are there's they say in their own comments
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  12 ounces. So I'm already getting less
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  liquid and the 216 ounce drinks I would get from Starbucks.
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  They would have caffeine. Then Annika from Prickly Pear
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  made a response video where she went through the itemization of
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  their pricing. Video going around talking about
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  how we. Are scamming.
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  People with the price of our split cups and I wanted to just
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  explain on the back. End about the pricing of these.
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  Cups and also why I responded the way that I did.
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  The first part of this is I I'm not mad.
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  Everyone has the right to their opinion.
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  I there is no hate towards the girl who made this video.
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  I blocked her because honestly my son was with hate comments
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  and it has already been honestly like some of the hardest.
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  Like the last six weeks have just been brutal in business and
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  personal and so I I apologize if that was perceived as rude or
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  immature. It may have.
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  Been all those things. I was not in a place to be able
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  to receive these hate comments and let it roll off my back.
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  She has been unblocked because I am no longer on our TikTok.
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  Someone else has taken that over.
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  Next and the most important part as far as the price breakdown,
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  the split cups are 212 ounce drinks.
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  So I never want to from the classes line to our customers
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  and same area full size drinks. There are two 12 ounce drinks in
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  total. That is 24 ounces of whatever
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  drink you choose. They were designed to be half
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  matcha, half coffee. That's how we post about them,
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  that's how we advertise them. And So what you decide to put on
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  the other side is totally up to you, but the goal and intention
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  is that they would be half much a half coffee.
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  That's what the pricing is based off of.
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  These cups are a dollar and 18 each, including two straws.
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  So this makes it over a dollar more than our large 24 oz ice
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  cups. This did not go over well.
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  Let me read you some of the top comments.
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  So this comment has 47,000 likes and it says by your logic
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  Neapolitan ice cream should be triple the price because it's 3
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  flavors. This comment has 14,000 likes
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  and it says if you're giving people half of 2 drinks, the
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  drinks should be priced as one drink.
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  This comment has 65,000 likes and it says not.
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  It's the attitude you have, not the pricing.
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  And then there's a lot of people in the comments saying that for
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  like split refresher drinks like this, the kind of going price is
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  around $7.00. The main sentiment here is that
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  Prickly Pear should have just doubled down on their pricing.
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  You know, like you're a small business, you're entitled to
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  charge whatever you want and it's up to the consumer if they
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  actually want to pay for that. But a lot of people feel like
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  this would have gone down better for Annika and her brand if she
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  came on TikTok and instead of kind of getting defensive and
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  trying to get you in the weeds of like defending why she
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  charges this and whatever, if she just said, look, we're like
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  a small business, this is what we have to charge and this is
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  our pricing. And just like stand firm on it.
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  I don't know if that would have gone over well, but that is what
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  a lot of the feedback says. Because I understand from her
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  perspective feeling very defensive in the sense that
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  like, she's being accused of like being greedy of ripping
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  people off. Like those are big accusations.
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  I know why she wanted to defend her pricing or give an itemized,
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  I guess, explanation to her pricing.
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  But a lot of people feel like maybe she should have just been
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  like, this is the price and like unapologetic about it.
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  Anyways, because this didn't go over well.
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  Annika made another video in response.
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  We have reached out to Katie and apologized and refunded her
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  drinks and she acknowledged that and and said thank you for that.
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  I did not respond well. I got defensive and I completely
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  own that. I haven't been on the TikTok,
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  but I've been hearing that there are good suggestions as well.
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  And so we've taken those suggestions just as far as
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  advertising goes and writing in the description like, hey, this
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  is priced for coffee and a matcha and our team as people
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  are ordering or. Will probably recommend that.
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  To as well if this is priced for that.
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  It really is just so sad to see people capitalizing on that and
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  capitalizing on hurting a small business on directly coming
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  after me for my mental health. You know, as a woman owned
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  business, I would expect that we would encourage each other.
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  At the end of the day, I hate that the prices have to be what
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  they are as well. I posted a video on this
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  actually recently about how hard it was for me to raise prices,
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  but that we had to if we wanted to keep the doors open.
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  And now the final piece of this, and I do believe it is the final
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  piece, is Katie has made one final video saying she's going
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  to stop talking about this. And she actually kind of like
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  pretends that she's going to address Anika's final video.
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  And then she's like, actually, can you go watch this playlist
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  of mine? So she's trying to drive traffic
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  to her other videos. All right.
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  And the last story that I have for you guys today, I'm going to
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  cover the Patagonia versus Patagonia lawsuit again.
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  So last week I covered it and there is a lot of discourse
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  right now about how this lawsuit is being misrepresented.
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  So I thought it was right to talk about that.
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  I hesitate too. And I really debated if this was
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  the right story to cover because as I mentioned on Thursday, this
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  is a very bad time in history for a giant corporation to be
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  suing a drag queen. Like the LGBTQ communities, the
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  drag community, they are under such attack right now.
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  And I want to protect those communities.
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  Like I don't want anything that I say to be able to be used as
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  like ammo for people to be hateful.
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  Classic. I'm on the last story and
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  Pumpkin starts growling at me because she wants up.
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  If you guys are watching pumpkins on my lap now, I hope
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  you guys can see her behind my laptop.
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  So just know I thought about this a lot, but the reason that
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  I chose to discuss this is because the other side of the
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  lawsuit looks at the protection of creatives and artists and
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  that is also so important in this time.
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  So I feel like I did not give enough information on Thursday
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  when I covered this about the true, I guess, reality behind
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  the lawsuit. You know, I said was trademark
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  infringement. I didn't really explain
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  specifically what they meant by that in the lawsuit.
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  And there's a lot of people online who are saying, you know,
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  like Patagonia, they don't own the name.
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  That's like a region. There's a lot more to this.
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  It's not just a name. There's actually a lot of issues
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  with like the parody logo and things like that.
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  So let's get into it. To catch you up real quick,
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  Patagonia is suing drag queen and climate activist Patagonia
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  for $1.00 for trademark infringement.
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  Patty made a video last week calling on fans to help her get
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  Patagonia to drop the lawsuit and said that Patagonia is
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  trying to permanently take away her name and threaten her with
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  more than $1 million in legal fees.
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  The lawsuit accuses Patty of breaching an agreement they
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  reached in 2022 that, quote, restricted Patty Gonia from
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  selling branded products or using designs that were
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  substantially similar to the company's logo, per NBC.
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  So this agreement happened when Patty was going to collaborate
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  with Hydroflask. So quote in February 2022, when
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  Hydroflask was discussing A collaboration with Patty, Hydro
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  Flask asked Patagonia to ensure the company did not object to
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  the proposed collaboration. The parties met and discussed
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  restrictions around the use of Patagonia to avoid confusion
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  about the source of products or advocacy connected to Patagonia.
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  Patty confirmed an understanding that she must refrain from
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  selling Patagonia branded products or using fonts or
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  designs that copy or are substantially similar to
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  Patagonia's logos, according to the suit.
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  That is from NBC as well. So now there are photos
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  throughout the lawsuit of Patty wearing the copycat logo,
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  including at an award ceremony for Out magazine.
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  So this would be where they were both saying that they've been
• 18:53
  trying to come to some agreement for years.
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  OK, so that was something that Patty said, and that's also
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  something that Patagonia was saying.
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  But this all came to a head when Patty filed A trademark to use
• 19:03
  her name for, quote, apparel, marketing and events.
• 19:06
  Now, Patty claimed that she only trademarked her name to ensure
• 19:09
  she never loses the right to use it as that recently just
• 19:13
  happened to another drag queen. And I forget which drag queen it
• 19:15
  was. And all the articles that I was
• 19:17
  reading about this didn't reference which drag queen it
• 19:19
  was. But Annabelle told me about it
• 19:21
  on Thursday when we were talking about the initial story.
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  So I'm sorry, Annabelle, that is disappointing.
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  I know for you to hear, OK, so I still stand by what I said on
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  Thursday, this is a very bad time in history to be filing
• 19:32
  this lawsuit. But I understand that brands
• 19:35
  also have to protect their trademarks, otherwise they do
• 19:38
  risk losing them. So trademark attorney Josh
• 19:40
  Gerbin told journalist Minnevon Burke of the situation that U.S.
• 19:44
  companies have a, quote, obligation under U.S. law to
• 19:47
  police their trademarks. Quote, if they were just to
• 19:49
  allow Patagonia to use his name in an unfettered way, they would
• 19:52
  actually potentially lose rights around the name.
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  So the next person that came around that wanted to do
• 19:57
  something, they would point to Patagonia and say you're letting
• 20:00
  her sell shirts and you're letting her do all this stuff.
• 20:02
  And the business of trade marking is so important in the
• 20:05
  creative industry. So I understand why there is
• 20:07
  this kind of growing concern online from people talking about
• 20:11
  this lawsuit specifically and saying like 2 truths can exist
• 20:14
  here. This can be a very bad time for
• 20:17
  this lawsuit to be filed against her.
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  And like, we don't want her to lose her organization.
• 20:22
  We want her to be able to continue her advocacy.
• 20:25
  We don't. Want her to have to pay over
• 20:26
  $1,000,000 in legal fees like all of those things can be true
• 20:30
  while also it can be true that it's important to protect the
• 20:34
  arts and to protect creatives and original content in this
• 20:38
  time. And that is some of the context
• 20:40
  that was missing when I reported on this story on Thursday.
• 20:44
  Anyways, guys, that's it for mini school today.
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