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#39 | Eli Molina and Jacob Xain Sanchez · Corpus Christi Originals Podcast

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  SPEAKER_03: What's going on now?
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  SPEAKER_03: Corps Christian Originals Podcast, back at it again, coming live from the uh produce streamlabs studio.
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  SPEAKER_03: Uh joined with me, co-host Jacob Sanchez, and our guest is Eli Molina.
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  SPEAKER_02: What's up?
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  SPEAKER_03: So uh yeah, welcome, welcome, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_03: Thank you guys so much for joining the podcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: Cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: How y'all doing?
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  SPEAKER_01: Pleasure to be here.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, no problem, no problem.
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  SPEAKER_03: We had a we had a the spur of the moment, you guys came on uh out of nowhere, so appreciate you guys coming on.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, I think I'm scaring people away because it's we're in the studio now, but anyway, uh, but yeah, I'm nervous right now, trying not to be.
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  SPEAKER_03: But yeah, so how y'all doing?
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  SPEAKER_03: What's going on?
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  SPEAKER_01: Doing good, man.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad to be here.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I hadn't been here in a while.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was talking to your buddy over here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Last time I was here, uh the studio was on the other side, upstairs, and I guess now they changed it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it's been a minute since I've been here, but uh I'm glad what they're doing here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pretty cool, man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I love what Dusty's doing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_03: So so you work for you work at what do you do for a living?
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  SPEAKER_03: So what do you do for a living?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm a recording engineer.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I work for Freddy Records.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been there uh six years now, going on seven.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um so I that's my day job.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um I still I still play, I still write, uh produce.
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  SPEAKER_01: Pretty much, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Been in the music world pretty much all my life.
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  SPEAKER_01: Alright, I think.
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  SPEAKER_01: So that's what I've been doing now.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Freddy Records, that's uh located on where's that, Staples and uh Saratoga?
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh Staples and umridge.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, nice, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: I remember seeing it open up for the first time, and I remember it was somewhere else.
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  SPEAKER_03: I couldn't remember where it was at, but we were talking about where it was.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, actually they've had a that was before I was there, but they had another location on SPID which was there before this one, and then down Chaparral here, uh down the street actually from here, I think is the original original building.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, nice, nice where I think uh that was probably like I don't know 50 years ago.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_01: Probably, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because they've been around 50 something, 52, 53 years now.
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  SPEAKER_04: Well yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: We're in the 20s.
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  SPEAKER_01: 60 60 years, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so they have a long, long, long tradition.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh it's a very cool place to work at man.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh shout out to the Martinez family.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh it's really a blessing to work there.
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  SPEAKER_03: And uh Yeah, how how do you get how did you get into well I can I seem like you've been doing it for years just on the case?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, dude.
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  SPEAKER_01: I've been doing it pretty much my whole life since since as I mean as long as I can remember.
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  SPEAKER_01: I I did the music thing real early on, uh when I was still in high school.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh then doing the band thing and then I went to college and I studied music and I actually have my bachelor's in music.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I did that for a while and then uh started writing and composing and doing music for film and music for TV and and then now producing, you know, there at Freddy's and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's amazing.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, had a lot of fun.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean it's it's really a great job, and I I can't wait really.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, sometimes I'm I'm itching to get there in the morning, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: I always tell my wife.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love Mondays.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh man, that's so awesome, bro.
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  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: I love Mondays because it's Mondays that get you get to try a new technique or some new thing you've been wanting to you read about or some something you saw on YouTube.
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  SPEAKER_03: I'm jealous, bro.
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  SPEAKER_03: I wish I had a job like that.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, golly, man, that's awesome, dude.
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  SPEAKER_03: So have you ever had like so you've always been in like the music industry?
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  SPEAKER_03: Have you ever had like just a regular job?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, yeah, as a matter of fact, it but it was still music related.
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  SPEAKER_01: Probably where everybody might know me from is uh guitar center.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I was a pro audio guy there for over a decade.
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  SPEAKER_04: I think that's where I met you.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, I met you there.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're in Corpus or South Texas and you had a studio, the odds are I probably sold it to you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most likely.
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  SPEAKER_01: Most likely, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I I did get to see a lot of guys, you know, start up and you know, become people, you know, become actual producers and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: And some other guys that just did it, and yeah, it wasn't for them.
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  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, you know, did you buy did you buy some some kind of all kinds of stuff, dude?
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  SPEAKER_04: I I think like uh my KRKs, my M audio keyboards, there you go, uh interfaces, all kinds of stuff.
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  SPEAKER_04: And I would just walk in and talk to him, and he'd be like, hey, check this out today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean that was a great gig too, dude.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, on and for a while there, I mean, shout out to Guitar Center and all the crew, Guitar Center.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh they were really cool with me because I was like, hey, dude, uh, I'm gonna do this thing at Freddy Records, and they were really oh, that's awesome, you know.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: They were like, Can you still work?
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, it's kind of it's kind of like full time, and they were like, dude, we'll take you anytime you can work.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I was like, maybe Sundays, like after church, I can come.
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  SPEAKER_01: They were like, perfect.
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  SPEAKER_01: So for a while there, I was still doing Freddy Records and Guitar Center, but just on Sunday.
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  SPEAKER_01: So my clients knew Sunday was was the day.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow, and they would all they would all go.
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  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times it wasn't to sell, it was just like a lot of guys wanted to go tell me, hey, watch out.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_01: This is what we did this past week and we played here, da da da da da da.
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  SPEAKER_01: Wow and what what you told me about this work and this other thing, it didn't work.
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  SPEAKER_01: So we would talk shop a lot, and but eventually it got to the point where I just I I just couldn't do it anymore.
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  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, all right, it's it's one or the other.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I went over there and but I I do miss guitar center.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's uh seeing the new gear come in.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's that was the big thing, right?
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  SPEAKER_04: Like we're like, oh, look at this new turntable, look at these new speakers, look at these new interfaces, like, oh man.
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  SPEAKER_01: And getting to try it, you know, as soon as it can, or you know how it is, you know, you see it in a catalog, and you're like, Oh, can't wait till it shows up.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, and then it shows up and you're like, ah, let me set it up.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, bro, let me try this out, and da da da da da.
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_01: And so, yeah, you know, so I did that, and you know, the rest is history, I guess.
• 5:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's nice.
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  SPEAKER_03: So Freddy Records, uh, man, uh it just makes me think about Guitar Center because Jacob, Jacob loves uh equipment.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and and y'all study it more than I do because I just plug and play, and you guys seem like you get like really into like the terminology, or whatever you call it.
• 6:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_04: No, I I love it, man.
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  SPEAKER_04: I've been around it for since I was younger too.
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  SPEAKER_04: So I started way back in the day, but I think the thing that would drive me to guitar center was Eli because the only time I would go was to talk to him.
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  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_04: Any other time I needed anything else, I'm going to Sound Vibes, bro.
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  SPEAKER_04: Like Sound Vibes is my spot.
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  SPEAKER_04: You know, I need a guitar, amp, whatever, uh pedals.
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  SPEAKER_04: I'm going to Sound Vibes.
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  SPEAKER_04: But if I need audio, pro audio, I'm gonna go talk to Eli.
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  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I had a lot of guys.
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  SPEAKER_01: Dude, I had a lot of guys that would just come in just to shoot the shit and just to wow, just to hey, and they would bring me a lot of projects and they would show it to me.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey, what do you think?
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  SPEAKER_01: Da-da-da, and this and that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and then we kind of you know, give each other tips and stuff, but it was a lot of that, really, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was kind of like like helping each other.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, absolutely, okay, all the time, all the time.
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  SPEAKER_01: Or hey, uh sometimes it would be, hey, I lost a bass player, bro.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you know anybody?
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh well, and I'd be like, Well, I heard because you you hear all the gossip there.
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  SPEAKER_01: I heard so-and-so left da-da-da.
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  SPEAKER_01: And and so he might be available, and so give him a call.
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  SPEAKER_03: We got my we got Maya back there agreeing to what we're saying, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: So he knows what's up.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's awesome, man.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so uh, what was your first piece of equipment you've ever bought?
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  SPEAKER_01: Like for um, well, I I guess the first first first thing I ever got was like a piano.
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  SPEAKER_01: My parents bought me a piano.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh I was taking piano lessons.
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  SPEAKER_01: No, like an actual real piano.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, when I was a kid, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: Oh, nice.
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  SPEAKER_01: Because I took piano lessons, so that was my first thing.
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  SPEAKER_01: I would learn piano and stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: But uh my very first, first, first uh, like what I would say, like I my first real thing was I actually got a uh a keyboard that I can sequence on.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: And the first one I I borrowed it.
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  SPEAKER_01: And it was very like I that's what I cut my teeth on, and I figured out how to work it and got it on until eventually I could afford to buy one.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_01: And and uh I went and got one, and man, Yamaha financing screwed me down 37.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know what you're a kid and you know, and you're 18, 19, and you any credit you get, you know.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I I mean the keyboard was like two or three grand, dude.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_01: By the time I was done painting it, I must have paid like 10 grand for that thing.
• 8:21
  SPEAKER_01: I think it took me like 10 years to pay it off.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: As a small car, bro.
• 8:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think it was like I think they need they charge me like the most they could legally charge you with interest.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_04: Whenever they bring up your credit score, they're like, man, he must have bought a car or something for that.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: But that was like my one, and with that, that really got me a lot of work.
• 8:40
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's like it's like if you want to be a welder and you finally got a welding machine, yeah.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: Or if you wanted to, you know, do backhoe work and you finally got a backhoe machine.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was like my first legitimate piece of gear.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_03: So it got you a lot of work um because you played or because the sequence was a bigger one.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_03: Well, everything okay.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_01: Everything.
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  SPEAKER_01: So it was like, hey, I have this idea, but I I I don't have a band and I kind of want to put something together.
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  SPEAKER_01: So on those keyboards, you had everything.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: You had drums, you had basses, you had synths, you so you could you could kind of build it there for them and stuff.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_01: So nope, that was I remember I would work on it, fall asleep, add the keyboard, wake up, keep working, and yeah.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then from there, you know, when the natural progression, then I got recording gear and mics, and you know.
• 9:29
  SPEAKER_03: Was it the so was it Tehana music or what kind of music were you playing?
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: At that point, I was still in college, so I was doing anything.
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  SPEAKER_01: Any kind of music.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, uh a lot of times it was actually college work.
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  SPEAKER_01: It was like a lot of guys that were like, hey, uh, I need to write a fugue for my five dissertation.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_01: For my five or whatever.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I'd be like, well, bring it in, dude.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_01: What do you have so far?
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  SPEAKER_01: And he'd show it to me, and I'd be like, Well, let's stinking it, and we would start sequencing it.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, this part, and you know, we'd try to make corrections and whatever, and and the they'd pass you some bucks, you know.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_01: So whatever, you know, whatever, whatever it took just to, you know, pay the bills and so that's cool.
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  SPEAKER_01: But back then, I mean, this is a long time ago.
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  SPEAKER_01: So when I left high school, believe it or not, uh, I bought a little travel trader, that's what I lived in.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and my where I actually the plot where I lived was eighty-five dollars a month.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_01: Eighty-five dollars a month.
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_01: So all I had to do was make eighty-five dollars.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, that's all I need, bro.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: That's all I need, you know.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of rent.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, dude, I would pick up any gig I could and that's pretty cool.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean did what you had to.
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  SPEAKER_03: So you that you were dead set on doing on doing music and doing that.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_01: That was I mean, don't don't give me don't get me wrong.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_01: It was it wasn't like the best strategy.
• 10:53
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, in hindsight, now when I look back, I mean I was I was kind of pig headed about it.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: I really should have like given myself a break, but I was like, no, if it's not in music, I'm not gonna do it.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: Because you know, this is what I do, and I think I it was a lot of needless suffering.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_04: All right, you know, we'll get you in a second, yeah.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, you know, uh, I I wouldn't advise it for anyone, you know, yeah, to just make it like just trying to do that one thing that you love, you know, that's it was a very hard road.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_04: It was it was I wanted to go into it too.
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_04: Like I was like 18, just graduated high school, and my mom was like, I want to send you to LA to go, you know, do recording professionally.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, man, that's that's too far away from my girlfriend, so I think I'm gonna stay here.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_04: Which uh at the time was my girlfriend, but now she's my wife, and we've been together for like almost 20 years.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_04: So I mean it was kind of right the right choice, but three kids later, too.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_04: Three kids later, right?
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_04: But I do still to this day, I record music, I do all the same stuff, but it I don't think I would have been where I'm at today if I would have left to go do so.
• 12:06
  SPEAKER_04: Like like you wouldn't be where you are if you would have been like, eh, I can't make it, I'm gonna go be a welder.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'm gonna go work at Walmart.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna be a reader, and like a lot of people, like they a lot of people want your spot too, you know what I mean?
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_03: And to be able to have that perspective, like, I'm good where I'm at, you know what I mean?
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_03: It's pretty cool to see that, you know what I mean?
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, uh, so that's awesome, man.
• 12:28
  SPEAKER_01: But it was a hard road.
• 12:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I want to stress that to anyone who's trying to do what what I've done or whatever, or some what some me, my some of my friends have been able to accomplish.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: It it was really hard.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, now if I could do it all over again, I would have I would have tried to not get my dream to fund everything.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: That's just too hard, dude.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's too hard to try to make your dream happen and then get that to fund everything else in your life.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's too hard.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: I would have I would have much rather have gone to like a trade school, go make chingles of money in a year or two, and then you know, build a badass studio than to do it the way I did it.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_01: But I mean, back then in the 90s, who knew 90s, you know, wow, the internet was just barely starting, yeah.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't nothing like it is today.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_04: Back in my day, back in my day, is that no honestly, even like I I feel like I'm not very old, but you know, I'm 35 and I still see the kids now, and I'm like, man, y'all got it so easy compared to what we had.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_04: So you don't even know.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_03: So what so what are some of the things that you see now compared to like what you had to work with as far as oh man, everything I mean the just the being able to work with people from all over the world, send files back and forth, uh the technology now is man, it's so awesome.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: You don't you don't need a badass drummer, you can get superior drummer, easy drummer, you know, throw down ideas really, really quick.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: When back in the day you had to go get a drum kit, yeah, mic it, learn how to mic it, buy the mics, get them board and mix it and all kind of stuff, and and now you can get to the end result so quickly.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like it used to be.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_04: And yeah, within a matter of a couple minutes, a couple minutes of downloads and and and a little YouTube tutorial, you know what I mean?
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_04: You could really do a lot.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_04: Whereas compared to let's say 20, 30 years ago, it would have been a full session with a full band.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's crazy to think about, but yeah, I remember one the very first time I ever got a CD master.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like a CD master, I mean nowadays you pay cents or you don't even use CDs.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: I remember the first blank, the first blank CD I ever bought was fifty dollars.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: For a blank CD?
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: For a blank CD that you could record on, right?
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, 50 bucks.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we used to buy them in towers when the tower was like usually like I think like 30, 40 bucks.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_03: About that same amount?
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_04: For one, it was so and now fractions of a pin.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_04: Nobody uses them anymore.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, nobody thought they're pretty much obsolete, you know.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_04: There's no reason to use it.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: So reasons.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we're just joking about reason from Propeller Head.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_01: So do you use reason?
• 15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh oh, absolutely, yeah, yeah.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you pretty much have to stay up on all the programs, you know, if you want to stay in the market working.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, I'm still Pro Tools and Logic and Ableton and Reason.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: So you so you learn them all.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: So you have to really, I mean, if you want to stay, you know, busy, because not every guy has the same platform, and you really shut a lot of doors when you say, No, but I don't work on that program.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like somebody walks in and they're like, You're not using pro tools, and you're gonna be like, I don't know how to use that.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_04: They're gonna look at you like you should.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's the industry standard, you know what I mean?
• 15:56
  SPEAKER_04: But I mean, it's I guess you could turn away work, or people would be unwilling to work with you if you were like, Oh, I don't work on that program.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_03: So it's like a tool belt, like it's a standard tool belt that all the engineers should be.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you you try.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know it's it's it's almost impossible because it it's a little different when you got that guy looking over your shoulder who's paying you a lot of money to do work for him.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: You also can't be like trying to figure it out, especially if you just jumped into a new program.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, you know, because they're not and I I see it from their side too, because you know it's it's money and they you know they save up to this kind of stuff.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes, you know, you do have to rely on your main one, yeah, but you do have to at least know a little bit from these other programs so you can navigate them.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: Or especially when they say, Oh, you know, I did it on this, and just at least no knowledge, okay.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_01: I know how to get into that program, extract the files, yeah, get them all out, and bring them into my system, and now we can keep working.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_01: You know, then instead of saying, Oh man, I don't know, I don't know.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: If you extract them, do you extract them to put it into a different program?
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: Does it always translate easily, or do you have to make some changes?
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: Not necessarily.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you can kind of you have to talk to the guy and be like, hey, do you know do you want me to just bring the raw files over and let me work from there on out, or do you want to keep all the work you've done?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: All the EQing, all the compression, everything that you've done, I can also bring that over, and then we can start from there.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes it'll be like, oh, I'll just take the raw files and I want to hear your sound.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: So you know, bring the raw files over and then we'll start from there.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_01: But sometimes some guys are really good, and I'll tell them, no, dude, what you got there is awesome already.
• 17:34
  SPEAKER_01: Let's start with that and bring it over, and then we'll start from there and start building.
• 17:39
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, that's awesome.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_03: So so you so you mix it or what what what do you call it?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: What do you do?
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: Like engineering.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_03: So engineering, like you put together, like what is it exactly?
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh it's a hodgepodge of everything.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_01: So um some of the bands now that I've had good relationships with over a lot of years, um they do like the pre-production at home already.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_01: So they bring basically an outline or like the rough draft of what the album would be.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: So we start with that.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_01: On some of the other ones, the guys just come up with a concept.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then you have to literally start from scratch of okay, do you have ten songs?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: No, I have five.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_01: All right, or let's start with those, or you know, I tell them what's our end result.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: So once we get that and we get it kind of our ducks in a row, then we start with the first rough draft of the album.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times that first rough draft, nothing stays.
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like when you're building a house, you you make that initial blueprint.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you start laying down your drums and your bass and your guitar and all that kind of stuff, and and that's where you start figuring out you know, hey dude, six-minute song ain't gonna work.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: So let's cut this part out.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Or we're taking too long to get to the hook.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Let's let's move this over here, or have you considered starting with this and da-da-da.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: And you get it, you kind of get a good rough draft of what you want to do.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I even go in there and start time aligning a lot of that stuff, getting it real tight.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: All right, now let's build the album.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_01: Now that we have it down, and then you start recording real drums, the the keepers, the keeper stuff that's gonna make it to the final, final album.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Record all that, and then you jump back in there, and now you start editing it.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, editing it so pitch correction, time alignment, phase alignment, and yeah, keeps going.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, so so it's not just recording the so it's not they come in, they have a song and record the song, okay, record the song.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_03: You're like actually messing with the the song.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, it every project is different.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: For uh some projects, I mean, you're kind of the producer because there's nobody there at the helm.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: So you kind of have to kind of step in because you also don't want to have them spend all that money and just be like, well, you should have known better.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, you can't be like that either.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you can't you have to step in and be like, okay, dude, for what you're trying to do and your budget that's allowed, the best way to get to the end result is if we do this.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: So you gotta have a counseling session with a light of the.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah, dude.
• 20:17
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I mean, yeah.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, I'm sure you I've I've recorded people that were not up to snuff, and I'm like, you know, I think you should practice this before we start recording again, yeah.
• 20:26
  SPEAKER_04: Just so we don't waste both of our times.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_04: Or um, but I have also been on the other end where I get somebody that comes in and they get it like one take, one two takes, and I'm like, wow, that was that was crazy.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, there's a you gotta counsel them through that.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_01: There's a whole lot of counseling.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, okay.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: Whole lot of counseling.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_03: So I was joking, I was joking about that, but you're being broken about it.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, okay.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: For real, dude, for real.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's a and there's some, I mean, I'm not not necessarily fairly records, but other shooters I've worked at or other people that hire me privately than I work on their albums and stuff, some of those it's it's uh it's a hit thing.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes you gotta talk to them, be like, hey dude, what are we trying to do here?
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_01: And some guys don't want hits, they wanna leave some kind of legacy behind.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so those kind of projects you approach different.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you're not now I'm not imposing anything now.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_01: You know, hey, uh if it came out a certain way, and I might be like, hey, dude, it's a little loosey-goosey in these little sections, and they might not see it like that.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're seeing no dude, I was feeling it that way.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: And they're not trying to make the top of the charts.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_01: What they want is a good quality recording that they can show, you know, their family members and that they can, you know, archive.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_03: So are these people like with labels or are they gonna have their own label?
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: No, some of some of the other guys, like uh I I don't want to call them my high end clients or high end clients.
• 21:54
  SPEAKER_01: Some of those guys and a lot some of them honestly are not even musicians.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes uh some of the work I'm brought into has nothing to do with music.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's other stuff that's outside of the world of music.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_01: But what they want is high quality work.
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll go in and but we still follow the same process of you know what what's the end result, you know, what are we trying to do?
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh some of the jazz guys, especially, there's there's some couple great, great, great, great jazz musicians here in town, and they have fabulous setups at their house.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll go and I engineer there, and there's a different kind of recording because you're there to really, in true essence, record.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: You're there to preserve these five minutes that are gonna happen.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and the solo that that trumpet player is gonna play, and the solo that size player is gonna play, and this and that, they're never gonna want to go back and overdub that.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_01: Whatever happens at that moment is what's gonna happen at that moment, and that's what they want.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_01: So but then there's other projects that are not music where they just need for it to sound whatever, so they'll hire me for those.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_01: And those are like more of the kind of strange events, you know.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh sometimes they're political events, or sometimes they're like uh like I recently not recently, maybe about a year or two ago, uh, they changed uh presidents at the university, and they had like a there's like a ceremony that they do, you know?
• 23:29
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like it's like a ceremony, like like this uh I don't know, it's it's weird.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's for me who's musician, you know.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_01: But but they brought me in because they needed for it to sound immaculate, you know.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: So that's not even recording.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: Now I'm there for live.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and I'm there behind the council making sure that everything flows good and stuff like that.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_01: Or I've been to other stuff like dissertations where they're literally recording evidence, and they're like, we're gonna get one shot at this.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: The person's gonna come in and they're gonna they're gonna say what happened, blah blah blah, dah da da.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_01: We need to make sure that it gets recorded at a very pristine level, and you know that and that has nothing to do with music.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they just want high quality, and I'm just what do you think about all these?
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_04: No, that's pretty crazy, like to to from from going from just music to recording to all the way to like you said, dissertations and and legal stuff and political events, um, just going through that whole spectrum of of I guess sound and audio engineering.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, it's not just music to think about it that way.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 24:37
  SPEAKER_01: And you know it's a good check of song when they make you sign the the non-disclosure agreements right when you show up.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_03: Uh well.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: They're like sign this.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, ooh, there's gonna be a good paper.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: Here comes my check.
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_01: Here comes my check.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: Or you know, I've done some stuff, I've done some stuff at the bases, you know, and the bases are like high security and walk in and stuff, and they'll they'll like they'll run the mirrors under your truck and stuff, and I'm like, damn, what's going on?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: Who's coming in?
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_03: So how do you how do you get those gigs?
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_03: Like, do they call your do they call for your record?
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_03: Do they call you?
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, that's that's stuff that they just call me directly.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and they'll tell, hey, we'll we're gonna have blah blah blah, and are you available?
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll be like, yeah, and once I get there, they kind of tell me, you know, what's going on.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, like even some of those are a little strange because I was working with with this one group and they were all pilots.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: They were like literally all pilots.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: And they would be like, they would call, hey, duh, okay, we're gonna have a rehearsal or whatever.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be like, cool, okay, whatever.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh what time?
• 25:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh whatever.
• 25:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, yeah, yeah, I'll be there.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: All right, well, um, I'm gonna borrow a jet, and uh, homeboy's gonna borrow a jet, and the other homeboy's gonna borrow a jet, and uh, we're gonna fly in and we'll meet you there, and then we'll fly back out.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll be like, for real?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and and I'll go with show up in my truck all about accident, and then they sure enough, they'll they'll fly in and they did like a rehearsal and blah blah blah, and then they fly by, and then they'll say stuff like, Yeah, um, we had to burn that gas anyway, because the gas goes bad.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, me and the bass player from that band, we're talking for real, gas goes bad.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: So, what's gas goes bad?
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta burn it up with these jets.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, dude.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, this world of of audio stuff, I mean, it's you get all kinds of craziness.
• 26:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: You know, outside of Freddy Records.
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_03: Outside of Freddy Records, wow.
• 26:45
  SPEAKER_03: Man, so you so you get into so you get into how did you get into Freddy Records?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_01: Do you stay there seven years, right?
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: As a matter of fact, I was at Guitar Center and uh I would the engineers would always come in and you know they would always buy gear from us and stuff, and and every now and then they would be like, Man, I'm getting kind of tired of this.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_01: And and because you know it's a hard job, you know.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: You you work a lot, a lot of hours, and and then another guy would come in, and years would go on, and they would always tell me you should go check it out.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I don't know, maybe.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then one day I was like, okay.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: One guy told me, Hey, you know, uh Joe Ravelis, great keyboard player.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, Hey man, why don't you come on by?
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_01: I went by and I met him, met the staff, and they were like, Hey man, you want him to come on board?
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Yeah, I'd love to.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: And then from day one, it was just like we started working.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, and the the staff there is awesome.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's uh Mariano Herrera, uh Ram Serna, and myself were the three engineers, and we pretty much record everything that goes through there.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, it's awesome.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_01: So it's mostly uh Watejano, like the the main bread and butter of it is is uh Mexican regional.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but we do get a lot of walk-ins, a lot of a lot of guys that like I was joking when I was like, he was like, What did you do today?
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I was like, today it was Italian operas.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Somebody came in and they needed to to which is weird because right before that client, I had another client who also had come in to do some operatic stuff.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't know if maybe there's a contest about to happen or I don't know what.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_01: But uh yeah, and as a matter of fact, this is the third session with this one artist, and I mean that one I'm really I mean, even though I have a background in music, you know, I study music, I have my degree in it.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know Italian, so it's all Italian, so I'm just kind of like uh you able to punch you in where?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_01: What word is that word right?
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even know if you're saying it right or not.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, we do get uh all kinds, and then of course we do get the non-music stuff.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: We we have also been doing podcasts.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: Really?
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: People come in and they want to, you know, just rent out the studio for podcasts.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, that's interesting.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: And we do the same thing, set up mics like this, except we don't do the video stuff, you know, we just do audio.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then turn it in.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: And some of that stuff, um they edit it on themselves, they just really just capture their then like raw audio, yeah.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_04: Like really, yeah.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_01: We had one recently that the guy was like, I thought it was gonna about I thought it was gonna be about kayaks.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_01: Because that's what I understood.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: He was like, Yeah, kayak.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no, that's cool.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_01: Kayaks, it was kayak.com.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh so they were talking about travel, yeah.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, These guys never talked about kayaks.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_01: Now one time, not one time that they mentioned kayaks.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, so man, so recording a opera singer, like the mic had to be far away, like oh dude, we tried all, yeah.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, like I told her, I was like, look, because she showed me some recordings of of what she was kind of going for, and I was like, Well, you know, a lot of that stuff was probably done at a big amphitheater, you know, and we're we just don't have a uh hall with a hundred a hundred seat hall that I can throw them in, and you know, we can capture the ambience.
• 30:03
  SPEAKER_01: So we tried a couple different mic techniques, you know.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_01: We tried one mic here, some distance away, and da da da.
• 30:09
  SPEAKER_01: And kind of worked it out to where she was uh happy with it, and we just kept going from there.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_03: So the singer what y'all had uh she had an accompaniment?
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_03: Was it did you have to be she brought it in?
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay, okay.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she brought it in.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_01: So gave it to me on a thumb drive, popped it in.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, and she sang through, sounded great.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_04: So was it like hers or was it like an arrangement that was already she was?
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: No, it was uh it was uh one was a handle piece.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, okay.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: And um the other one was uh this the other one was uh I can't remember the other composer, but they were both classical composers.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_01: I know some of these words.
• 30:47
  SPEAKER_01: Classical, yeah, definitely.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_01: So it was a lot of fun.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_01: And you learn, I mean, I'm all about learning.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so every day you try to learn something new, and hey, that was something new.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_03: So how so how many hours like do you work?
• 30:59
  SPEAKER_03: Do you work like early in the morning to late at night?
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_03: Or it just depends?
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_01: It depends.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh when we get some bands that come in and like they book the week, then uh I personally try to do like 12 hours.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_01: And I try to do like like 10 to 10 or noon to midnight.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_01: Uh and uh we try to like stay on track, like you know, do so many hours, take a break, do so many hours, take a lunch, do so many hours, take a dinner break, do so many hours, and then we're we're that's 12 hours.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: And after that, I have to tell them, okay, dude, go get rest.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_01: Don't go to the maquinitas, yeah.
• 31:38
  SPEAKER_01: You know, don't go party, don't you know, because tomorrow we're gonna hit it hard.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: And we we we hit it hard, dude.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, poor guys.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, some of those bands, I mean, we we work really hard.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I I can tell they're they're tired, you know, when they leave.
• 31:54
  SPEAKER_03: So were you into that type of music before you you were recording?
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, absolutely, yeah.
• 31:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I'm Mexican, bro.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_03: Be surprised, bro.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_01: Like, no, as a matter of fact, when I first got there, one of the things I wanted to see is because there's a lot of classic albums that came out of there.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_01: So I I was really like asking, okay, uh, this particular album, who did it?
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so and so.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_01: So I literally go with it, hey bro, you really did it album?
• 32:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, that's cool.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I worked on that album, and you know, like there's uh like the old actual cover of the album and stuff.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like you've seen the traditional one, but you never saw like the photos that never got used.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_01: So sometimes you'll see them like thrown around here, like, hey dude, this is the I guess this is the one they didn't use, you know.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, it's cool.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: So there's a lot of legacy there that that that I do enjoy.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's awesome.
• 32:46
  SPEAKER_01: Talking shop to the old guys there, man.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was gonna say, if you've if you're an engineer, do you have to like the music or how it how do you do it if you don't like the music?
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like uh it's rare that that I don't like the music for the most part.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't I don't think I've had a project that I didn't enjoy.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_04: I mean, honestly, I've talked to you about all kinds of music from like Tool to like Dream Theater, and then we go to like Tehano, and then we'll talk about I don't know, Primus.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Primus.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_04: So I I know you're like super eclectic and you like all kinds of music.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we were mad at one of the other guys that had never heard about Primus.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_04: Come on, bro.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I was on Jerry was a race driver.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_01: Let's give pool, you gotta know him at least, you know.
• 33:26
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: So I believe it's bass player.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, my name is Mud.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's how I get introduced.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: My name is Mud.
• 33:32
  SPEAKER_03: And it was like, I think in the 90s it was like a popular song, so that's how I had heard about him.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, now I've been watching the was it bass players are human too, that new Getty Lee show.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: I think it's like on Paramount or something.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: So he has like a different bass player every week, and and week one was Les Claypool, and then I think uh he had uh Trujillo and then some other people on there.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: Who was it?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: Metallica was saying that he was too good to join their band or something or other.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, he was like he was like uh he's a better guitar player than Lost and then uh everybody else in the band.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_03: He's too good he can join the band.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_03: Jacob and I were in a few bands together.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, go ahead.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we're in a few bands together.
• 34:15
  SPEAKER_03: I played bass and guitar, guitar mostly, and drum.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_03: This dude does it all.
• 34:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like uh I I showed him a few chords a while back, and then he just ran with it, like got way better than I did at soloing and stuff like that.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_03: And I look, I'd like to tell people I know more of like the theory aspect of it rather than soloing.
• 34:33
  SPEAKER_03: So I I love music theory, and I can just look at a piece and like oh, I nerd out on it.
• 34:39
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, dude, I totally can't do that, dude.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_04: I'll be like, what chord are you playing right there?
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_04: A minor?
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_04: Got you, bro.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, A C E at the seventh if you want.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_04: I got all those, but try the nine.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_04: Once you try to like tell me how to read it, I'm like, just play it for me, bro.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_04: Let me hear it.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_04: Let me hear what you're playing, and I'll go off of it.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_01: Do you ever have to like read music in those settings or oh yeah, there's there's sometimes, yeah, especially if I do anything like uh, especially like for the universities, like sometimes they'll they'll ask me to record something, they're bringing a certain orchestra or whatever.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_01: But they'll literally they'll give you the score.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, so you put the score on the board and you're like following it, and you're like, okay, a flute solo or something.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you raise it and then you know you're following it.
• 35:23
  SPEAKER_04: Oh wow.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_04: I never really thought about it like that.
• 35:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or like jazz ones, you know, because like they do a lot of big, especially like uh AM Kingzo, they had hired me there probably for over a decade doing all their big jazz shows.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: So what there, dude, I got to see like if you're into jazz, I got to see from and work with like from Doc Severinson to Eric Merenthal, Paquito Rivera, I mean all kinds of you know, and that's awesome because I mean Doc Severinson, I mean, he was a head of the NBC Orchestra for like 30 years.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: So there's there's like nobody you can possibly mention that that guy didn't work with personally, and he would he had so many stories, and it was awesome, really.
• 36:05
  SPEAKER_01: But anyway, they would actually give you the charts.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool, and you have to follow along.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_04: I see sometimes because he we he plays for us sometimes, and I'll I'll be like, Hey, did you learn that little piano piece in the beginning of that song?
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_04: And he's like, Yeah, I got it written out right here, and it's in this little bit.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'll be like, There's no way I'm gonna remember it.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_04: I'm too old, but I'll write it down.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_01: I'll write it down, I'll read it.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_04: And then me, I can't do that.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_04: I gotta like actually remember it because I'll write it down and I'll be like, dang, what was that?
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_04: What's no what note is that right there?
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_04: That's a C sharp?
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_04: No, I'm not gonna go here.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_03: It makes me think of the that guy that had brain surgery and he was playing his sacks or whatever.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_03: If you were getting brain surgery, you wouldn't be playing an instrument, you'd be writing it down.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_04: Right, write it down.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I'll go to the seventh.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude, I love theory.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: Theory is one of my I it's just like the why of music.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, dude.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_01: I love all this stuff.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I took formal analysis and all that in college, and that was crazy breaking down big old classical pieces, and by the time we were done, it looked like hieroglyphs because you had to literally put every single number underneath every single chord and every single transition and cadences and all kinds of stuff.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, theory's awesome.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, definitely.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_01: I I recommend to everybody do out there.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_01: If you really want to get good at this, get into some theory.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, really try to understand.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_04: Any instrument you want to learn, learn theory with it because probably the biggest hindrance for me was theory.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_04: Theory was my roadblock, and until I understood it, I never really got past being able to play like progressively, like just on a whim.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_04: You know, freestyling is way harder when you don't know what you're doing than than if you knew the theory behind it.
• 37:39
  SPEAKER_03: But there are yes, I agree, and there are a lot of good musicians that that don't know theory.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: And what I tell like to tell musicians is like it's just gonna up your game.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you're already good, it's just gonna make you better.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of times you're not really gonna follow the theory because a lot of times you want to learn the theory so that you can break the theory to be cool.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that's that's the whole reason you learn theory, you know.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_04: Jazz is like, what theory?
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_01: Bean uncle seven, be knuckle seven, be knuckle seven, yeah.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: Jazz theory.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_03: Oh man, it it makes me upset because it's not like classical theory at all, it's just totally different, and you gotta learn the different keys.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, man, that's and all I can do is listen to it.
• 38:21
  SPEAKER_03: I could try to play it, but I just can't follow it.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: I can't either.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_04: I'm gonna be like, I'm gonna borrow this chord from the neighbor that was like three houses down, but I'm also gonna add the third from the neighbor that was on the other side, and I'm like, nah, that's not gonna work for me.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: Dude, get get yourself a fake book, like like the old jazz fake books.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_01: And if you want to learn theory, sink your teeth into one of those, and it's gonna have like five, six hundred jazz standards.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, and really, dude, that's the best way to learn theory because you're gonna see so many songs that you already know.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_01: You're gonna know the melodies, you know, you're gonna know all the old classics, you know, of Somewhere Over the Rainbow and All of Me and Autumn Leaves and all that stuff.
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: But once you finally see like the theory behind, you're like, oh and it you always have the same result.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_01: Once you finally learn, you're like, huh?
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_01: So that's what that was.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_03: Got it.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_03: Nice, man.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, Freddie Records.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, that's awesome.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_03: So you plan to be there for longer, or what's yeah.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I always tell my wife, that's my last job.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm gonna stay there.
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean, I like it.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_01: I love it.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it's it's everything that I wanted as far as you know getting up and you enjoy what you're doing, and yeah, that's awesome.
• 39:32
  SPEAKER_01: We love the end result, but the other stuff was always will always continue, like the writing and the composing.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I've done stuff for TV now for over 10 years, and that I'll I'll probably also do for the rest of my life.
• 39:48
  SPEAKER_01: Just keep writing.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's awesome, man.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_03: We're talking about this, it makes me think about the ADAT, whatever it was called.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_03: I remember when we did a recording, like one of my bands a long time ago, we had to get one of those, and it was like what$3,000 or something like that.
• 40:03
  SPEAKER_03: The machines, yeah.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_03: You remember that?
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_03: Uh but so we had to get that.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, what do we gotta get this from?
• 40:08
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we need this to record.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_03: So is it is that amount of like what do you see like there different from having that to what you're using now?
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah, it's real different.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I went through the whole evolution of it.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_01: I I started off with real to real, and then um I tried every hybrid in between, and then eventually I went to ADATs, and I had the black faces, and then I went to the type twos, and then the the D88s, and then eventually I landed on Pro Tools around 99, 2000, and once I landed on Pro Tools, I I stayed there.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but yeah, man, ADATs and all that, that was like the standard.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_01: I remember I got my first A-DAT machine, and then I got my second one.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, ooh, 16 tracks, and then I got my third one, 24 tracks, and then I got my fourth one, and then I was learning like, okay, one's my master, the other one's sync up, but my overdose, I was popping tapes out and putting them in and formatting them and all kinds of stuff.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I mean I paid thousands of dollars for them, but now like you look at them on eBay, they're like 10 bucks.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, you know, with a lot of old technology though, it's not just recording, like anything you bought back in the day that was super expensive.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like, look at computers back in the early late 80s, early 90s, they were super expensive, and now they're like junk.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_04: And it's gonna keep getting keep getting like that, it seems like it.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so it's like uh you're always gonna buy the new thing whether no matter what the cost, and then 10-20 years later it's gonna be worth nothing almost, anyways.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you got like vintage equipment, which like soundboards or or uh what like what else would uh yeah if you have like a real to real mach machine and that's what you're like actually capturing on and you're not doing high-end edits, and you're just like you're just there to archive 30 minutes of time.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, real to real is awesome.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's warm and it's it's just non-forgiving though.
• 42:07
  SPEAKER_03: So real, yeah.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_03: We were talking about that earlier.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, with a grease pen and and having to slice with an actual razor.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, no, you can't mess up there.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: I mean you can, but you get fired.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: You get fired.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, wow.
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_03: Oh mess.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_01: Real to real but yeah, I I wouldn't change it for I mean for the technology now.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's heaven sent.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, for real.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_04: Everything's at your fingertips, right?
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like I was we were talking about earlier.
• 42:33
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, you need a bass player, 299, you get a plug in and play bass for you.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, and just tap it on the keyboard, tap it on the keyboard, or even just with your mouse, you just put the MIDI notes in.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: Then the amount of editing you can do now is unparalleled.
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you can't you couldn't do stuff that you can do now 20 years ago.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: There's no way, yeah.
• 42:54
  SPEAKER_03: So do you do your do the artists at the company do they ever put their stuff on like on their own, like to distro kit or or uh yeah, I mean there's we get all kinds of clients.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: So some people just record there and they put it out on their own, and then there's the ones that are in-house that are are distributed through the record label.
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_03: So like so say I take a I take a song to you, like you you're able to like mix it.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know what that is.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_03: So mix and master, what is it?
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: It depends.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if uh you bring me like the actual session where everything is separated and I have the ability to like raise the drums and lower the drums and stuff, then yeah, then I can mix it.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_01: But if it's like the end product and you bring that to me, there's not really much.
• 43:36
  SPEAKER_01: I can do small enhancements, right?
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_01: But I can't like redo it.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: I can't I can't unbake the cake.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_03: So and so you what you mess with the the hurt, what is it, the hertz or whatever can go only you'll go up to so what I'm thinking of a uh that little like frequencies and stuff?
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_04: It's like a frequency.
• 43:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because I was like, I want to put it on, I want to send it out myself.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_03: But I want to in some places we're saying, well, you gotta have like so much hurts on each on the entire level and then on each track to make sure that it doesn't go past a certain um yeah.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure what it's called.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the there's like a like a standard that you want to meet.
• 44:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um and yeah, there's there's debates on that of of where of where you want to be at because uh now it's it's so different from when you put something on YouTube, when you put something on Spotify, when you put something on Deezer, you put something on all these different distributions.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: So uh because I used to just go all the way to zero.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, yeah, just slam it, you know, just slam it because that's as loud as you can possibly get without distortion.
• 44:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but then certain people or certain uh places don't take it like that.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_04: I think Spotify is one of the big ones that will not take your mask your your submissions if they're too high, if they're too hot.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, they have to come down.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: So there's a so there is a then is that what you do?
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_03: Like it's part of what you do, yeah, yeah.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, at the very end, when you finally finish it and you turn it in, it has to be at a certain level.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_03: No, okay.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it it it changes though, because we have had it where it was like, okay, you know, from now on out we're gonna do it this level.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_01: And it is not a lot, it's just small increments, but we make small adjustments to uh to satisfy pretty much all the palettes as far as the distributions.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_03: No, so yeah, I started getting into that a little bit.
• 45:23
  SPEAKER_03: I was like making beats or whatever, and I was like, man, I I can't, this is weird.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know what I'm doing.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_03: So I'm trying to figure out how to do it and stuff like that.
• 45:30
  SPEAKER_03: So that's interesting how it changes all the time on you.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, even the world of beat making has changed so much, man.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: It used to be where you would somebody would hire you to do the beats and you'd make it for them, and but now you can just make beats and just put them out.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, just put them out.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_04: That's what I do.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_04: I just throw them online and I put and if somebody buys them, somebody buys them.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_04: If they don't, they don't.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_03: You can you can like uh if you if you have content, you can share, you can use it on your content like on Instagram and stuff too, I think.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_03: Or even YouTube, or it's pretty cool.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_04: I've bought in like sample packs, that's funny you say that.
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_04: I've bought in sample packs from somebody before, and it was like it was actually a big name company, and then I I made a beat with it, and my stuff got copyrighted because that sample had actually been used in in somebody else's like thing that had been copyrighted.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_04: And I was like, Well, that's not cool because I paid for the ownership of that.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_04: So I was like, Well, now I would have to go fight it and be like, This is my these are my credentials, this is where I bought it from.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_03: I was thinking that too.
• 46:24
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, Well, then at that case you just have to type out the stuff that's like.
• 46:27
  SPEAKER_04: So you were saying like you can use your own stuff that you make, which mostly is the case, but I have gotten strick striked before because it was like, oh, this is owned by somebody else.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_03: Wow.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_01: So do you put out your own music or um mainly any efforts that I do now uh uh just do the film stuff or uh TV shows?
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: So it it used to be where I would get like assignments, but now it's uh now pretty much anything I I write, they'll just take.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: Which that within its own is its own blessing.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it is.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, that is awesome, man.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_03: So is it like scores, like uh viol, like is it a full orchestra that you write out, or what's it's it's everything.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes they'll they'll say specifically.
• 47:15
  SPEAKER_01: Well, at the beginning they used to say specifically, hey, I need a I need like a bluesy thing, or I need like a hip-hop thing, and and then I there's then I started getting really, really awkward jobs like uh Welsh music, which I was like, I didn't know I didn't know anything about Welsh music, I know anything about Celtic music, I don't think about Russian music.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_01: But they would be like, hey dude, nobody else can do this, can you write it for us?
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I need it in two hours.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_02: Whoa.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd be like, hold on.
• 47:42
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd like to look it up on YouTube and be like, okay, this kind of does this and does that, okay.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_04: And this is where your theory comes in, right?
• 47:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'd be like, okay, let me dish something out real quick and I'll send it to you, then you tell me what you think.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_01: And so I'd work up something and send it to them, and they'd be like, Yeah, I'm gonna send it in, blah blah blah, and then boom, check in the mail.
• 48:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then eventually, now it's gotten to the point to where now I just look at my my BMI stuff and I'm like, hmm, interesting.
• 48:09
  SPEAKER_01: I have BMI stuff, what is that?
• 48:11
  SPEAKER_01: Like, that's my that's the people that collect my money for me from from all the shows and stuff, but they have to tell you like what show is using it.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll get like uh like American Pickers or Say Yes with Address or Hardcore Pond or Bait Car all the who's using it.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, all these different TV shows that are using them, and then I just get the I get them I just get the check.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, nice.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_01: So I don't even honestly I don't even know how they get them.
• 48:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow you know uh recently I got a WWE one, I got a NASCAR one, you know, and then weird Spanish ones like La Voz Kids, yeah, uh some Telemundo stuff.
• 48:54
  SPEAKER_03: So is are your are you your own label or like how how do you how do they pick it up?
• 49:00
  SPEAKER_01: You know, well that was a kind of a long road because I first signed with one music publisher maybe like 20 years ago, uh Prolific Arts out of Denton, Texas.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: And they were like, okay, just send us your catalog.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_01: So I sent in my catalog of all the stuff I had worked on, and they were getting me small little jobs, a job here on HBO, a job on Showtime, or whatever.
• 49:23
  SPEAKER_01: Not really doing much.
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then I after I finished their contract, I went with another one.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_01: I went with Editors Choice Music, signed with them for a while.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: They got me a couple of jobs here and there, but uh after that I signed down with this one company called uh Jingle Punks uh out of Calabasas, and those guys dude boom, they were like dun dun dun dun dun dun dun.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_01: It was like show after show after show after show.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I guess those guys just hustled.
• 49:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I'm assuming now that those same dudes that got my music, I I I just think they were I mean, I don't want to say this in a bad way.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe they were just lazy.
• 50:02
  SPEAKER_01: But whatever new show they went to go work on, I think they just took the catalog with them.
• 50:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm seeing like certain songs that got used over here, all of a sudden got used on this other show.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_01: And the only thing that I can see that's the bridging point is uh the producer must have gone from this show to that show and just took them over there with him and used them, and then you know, I just get my I just get my royalties.
• 50:29
  SPEAKER_01: Come on, guys, we gotta work harder at this.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_03: What's going on?
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_03: We got a lot of musicians out here.
• 50:34
  SPEAKER_01: Hey dude, Corpus is awesome for musicians, man.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot, a lot of guys here that just little diamonds in the rough, dude.
• 50:42
  SPEAKER_01: That I mean Yeah, you know.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_03: So so what do those musicians have to do, like to to I guess to make a living or or well, you know what?
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: Some of them are very comfortable where they're at.
• 50:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I have this talk with them.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: And there's a couple of guys that I'll be like, dude, you deserve an album.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: You too, you I think you should really should have something out there.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_01: They'll be like, nah.
• 51:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm cool with what I'm doing, and they don't they don't really want that.
• 51:10
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they're they're very comfortable with with where they're at and stuff, and I'm like, okay.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: I still enjoy watching them.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: And when I have the time, I'll go out there and I'll see them, and I'll be like, man, you're you got jobs, dude.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, you know, you're really doing something incredible.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: Why don't you uh they don't then I don't push the issue, you know.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_03: Another counseling session.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sometimes you know you want to tell them and they're like, for what?
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: For what?
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I have to take days off work to go do I'm like I get it, dude.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: I get it.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_03: You know, it's it's it's it's not an easy road.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_03: Sometimes you want it for them, but they don't want it for themselves.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you just have to come come to service with it.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sometimes you just you know, you make your peace with it and you just yeah, yeah.
• 51:52
  SPEAKER_03: Well, it's awesome.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: Move on to the next project.
• 51:54
  SPEAKER_03: So, so uh do you have any kids or are they doing what you're doing?
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: No, just me, my wife, and my little Cheweenie.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_03: All right, all right.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, oh Chewini, is it the same type of dog?
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, okay.
• 52:04
  SPEAKER_04: My wife used to have a Cheweenie back in the day.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_04: Uh he passed away.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_04: He passed away.
• 52:08
  SPEAKER_04: But my wife's always been like, I want a new Cheweenie, I want a new Cheweenie.
• 52:11
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, Man, I don't want to put up with another dog right now.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: Man, what you call my name Walter, we call him Walterer.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_04: Man, he's a little terror dude.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this dude's got chickens at his house.
• 52:22
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I got chickens.
• 52:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I eat fresh, uh, fresh eggs every day.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_03: They're doing it over there, bro.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_03: For real.
• 52:28
  SPEAKER_03: He makes me want to get my own chickens, get my own farm over there at my house.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, we start, we're gonna uh this well, when spring hits, we're gonna start probably planting the like tomatoes and jalapenos.
• 52:38
  SPEAKER_04: That's awesome.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_04: So we'll have our own like fresh vegetable garden.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_01: My dad had a lot of chickens, and he would always complain.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_04: He was like, Every day I gotta give a dozen or two away.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_04: If you got more than like, I would say like five to ten chickens, you're probably gonna be giving a lot of that stuff away.
• 52:54
  unknown: Yeah, yeah.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_03: You you put that what did you put that post like you see, everything has everything has soybean in it?
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, no, yeah.
• 53:01
  SPEAKER_04: Everything has uh sunflower oil in it, you know what I mean?
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_04: And that's like conspiracy stuff.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_04: But I just try to s I just try to stay away from certain foods.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_04: Like right now, I'm all carnivore, so I only eat nothing but meat, eggs, and cheese.
• 53:12
  SPEAKER_04: Seriously and water.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, I've already uh I was 315 at my biggest, and I'm already down to um like 260.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_04: Ah, congrats.
• 53:21
  SPEAKER_04: So, and that's just staying on carnivore, not eating processed foods.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_04: Um but the biggest thing is you know, everything high fructose corn syrup, sunflower oil, and sugar are like in everything.
• 53:33
  SPEAKER_04: So you say it's a conspiracy?
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_04: It's people can like people be like, Oh, you're you're not supposed to eat fat, it's bad for you.
• 53:39
  SPEAKER_04: Whereas some people, some doctors even will say, Well, fat's actually really good for you.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_04: So it's people are like, Oh, don't follow them, be a vegan, be this, be that, be whatever like works for you, man.
• 53:49
  SPEAKER_04: But for me personally, carnivore has worked for me the best.
• 53:52
  SPEAKER_04: So and you like steaks?
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_04: Do you you like steaks too, right?
• 53:55
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, I eat like like four steaks a week.
• 53:58
  SPEAKER_04: Uh you love that diet, bro.
• 54:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, no, it's good.
• 54:02
  SPEAKER_03: So that's cool, man.
• 54:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't even think I'm in any kind of diet, really.
• 54:06
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm a truck driver.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_03: A lot of the food I eat is at truck stops, which is so I try to work out at least once a week, maybe twice a week if I can, or just to get some kind of exercise.
• 54:17
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, subway is like the probably the best I can get out there.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, sometimes it's like the store salad or whatever.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, you eat what you can, man, when you're on the road.
• 54:26
  SPEAKER_03: So yeah, and I guess the the the traditional way should be better where you make your own stuff and pack it and take it and stuff like that.
• 54:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's what I do, dude.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: When we do shows, I always take my own.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_04: He's always eating something too.
• 54:39
  SPEAKER_04: He's like, hey, I got a I got a lemon or I got I'm always like, bro, you're always eating something.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_04: I'm always eating.
• 54:46
  SPEAKER_03: It's just like at the guitar center.
• 54:47
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, check out this new product I got.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_03: Check out something.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: For real.
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_03: So you're not going back to guitar center?
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_01: Nah, I mean I miss it.
• 54:56
  SPEAKER_01: It's it I miss the like the customers a lot, you know, because I made really good friends with a lot of people there.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I I got to see them from you know, when they were still in high school, yeah.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and I said, hey dude, don't skip school to come here, bro.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: You know, they didn't have nowhere to hang out, yeah.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like stay in school, bro.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're always gonna be here, you know.
• 55:15
  SPEAKER_01: Just and then seeing those guys, you know, kind of get into music, and some of them pursued it and some of them didn't.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_03: Did some of the guys like in the drum department or guitar department ever be like, Yeah, I want to go over there because it's a lot quieter over there?
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_03: Or how would it be?
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you know, it it changed over the years.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: So uh a lot of times we didn't have like a drum guy, so you have to be covering different departments and stuff.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: So you had to know a little bit of this and a little bit of that.
• 55:41
  SPEAKER_01: But I did get to, I mean, everyone in a lot of times, if any famous band came into town, a lot of times they would go there.
• 55:49
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, you come back from lunch, you'd be like, That's that's secure from mana.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: What is he what is he doing there?
• 55:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's like, Yeah, he's trying a guitar.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: So you go there, you'd be like, What are you doing here?
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: He'd be like, Oh yeah, we're playing.
• 56:07
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, I know, but like what are you doing?
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_01: Our guitar said, or like you'd think that they would send like a tech or something, really, right?
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_01: But they're not, you know, there's like the actual guys there, yeah.
• 56:18
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like, he was like, he was like on every single amp and trying everything, and I was like, dude, we've heard that song, bro.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: No steroid, and then he actually had brought in like a couple of vintage guitars that he wanted to sell, and like we're already getting close to clothes.
• 56:36
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, hey dude, I know you're like super famous and stuff, but like we're gonna go home.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: We want to go home already.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: So we did get to see a lot of famous people that would come by here and you know, get just ask them questions about their gear and yeah, their setup, and what are you using?
• 56:55
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes, you know, they're really cool when you could talk to them.
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: What did you use on this album?
• 56:58
  SPEAKER_01: And they will tell you, yeah, I use this pedal into this, and blah blah blah.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_03: So so in your in your like uh experience in getting different jobs and stuff, did you know people to get get that stuff, or did you like work your way into it?
• 57:11
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, all of them were kind of flukes.
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like literally, I went to guitar center one time, and um, I I remember it was like one pro audio guy, and um the manager was looking for somebody, and he was having trouble with his uh recording setup.
• 57:28
  SPEAKER_01: So we were just talking shop, and he was like, I'm having this issue and this and that.
• 57:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Oh yeah, I was like, I ran into that problem.
• 57:34
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, try this and this and this, and and he was like, Okay.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: Next time I saw him, he was like, Hey dude, you need to work here.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Okay, yeah, and he was like, Can you come in next Saturday?
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, I can't.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: I got a session, and he was like, Well, can you come in this?
• 57:51
  SPEAKER_01: And he was like really like pushing, and I was like, literally, like for three or four Saturdays in a row, he would call me.
• 57:57
  SPEAKER_01: And so finally I was like, Okay, I have a this Saturday off, I'll go in.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_01: And I went in and we kicked we hung out and I liked it, and boom, I stayed there and bought a lot of my gear there.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_03: Well, so so you just kind of just happened to know so that that I'm trying to figure out because you're trying like you were you were in that spot, that position, and like I that guy just came along.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_03: You didn't even know him, you just started talking to him.
• 58:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, actually, a lot of a lot of stuff like that.
• 58:25
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of I met a lot of reps.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, the JBL rep would come in, the sure rep would come in, the Kai rep would come in, or whatever.
• 58:35
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes there were guys just like me and you, and they would always have technical issues.
• 58:40
  SPEAKER_01: And because I was in the pro audio department, they would always go back there and be like, hey dude, uh, yeah, uh, have you run into this issue?
• 58:46
  SPEAKER_01: And I'd be like, Well, what's going on?
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: They'd be like, Whoa, uh, this driver's failing on me, or this is this is not working, and and then I'd help them up, fix it and get it working, and then the next time around, they'd be like, Hey bro, check out what I brought you.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'd be like, What'd you bring me, dude?
• 59:04
  SPEAKER_01: And they would they always they would always bring me something, you know.
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_01: They were always really, really cool with us.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_01: And so a lot of the gear I got was from reps, they would always take care of me.
• 59:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and of course, every every rep was like, hey bro, if you're gonna sell the mic, make sure you sell our brand.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then the next guy would come in and be like, hey bro, if you're gonna sell the mic, make sure you sell our brand.
• 59:23
  SPEAKER_04: You'd be like, I'm gonna sell them a sure 57, bro.
• 59:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's all they're getting.
• 59:29
  SPEAKER_01: That's all they're getting, right?
• 59:30
  SPEAKER_01: But the other guys were smart, they'd be like, you know, if you sell that one, you'll make$10 commission.
• 59:35
  SPEAKER_01: But if you sell ours, you'll make eight commission.
• 59:39
  SPEAKER_04: Like, have you heard about road mics?
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_03: So did you get a lot of bag of tacos they would bring in a oh yeah, they get all kinds of stuff.
• 59:46
  SPEAKER_01: And it was different, like back in the 90s and stuff.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, sorry, not the 90s, the 2000s when I was there first.
• 59:52
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, because like you would have to build displays which I didn't know anything about.
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: But they'd be like, Yo, you get all these new products, and you can you set up whatever.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_01: So you would set up like you know, stuff you would like.
• 1:00:04
  SPEAKER_01: You set up your speaker and the setup and da da da.
• 1:00:06
  SPEAKER_01: And then the rep would come in and say, Wow, man, that looks pretty good.
• 1:00:09
  SPEAKER_01: And then boom, Visa gift card, American Express, and they would be like, Good, dude, 200 bucks, 250.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_03: You'd be like, really care about their product, yeah.
• 1:00:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they and you you establish that great relationship with those guys, and and they would always and then they would help you out later on when you had like some order and be like, hey dude, I can't get this one particular piece.
• 1:00:30
  SPEAKER_01: I got this one customer that really needs it.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes they would even pull from their personal stash.
• 1:00:35
  SPEAKER_01: Even like the Bose rep was like awesome.
• 1:00:38
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Mark Shapiro, shout out to Mark Shapiro.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if he's still out there, but he would do uh Bose, and I remember I always have some issues with certain Bose products, and he would be like, you know what, dude?
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_01: I have some at home.
• 1:00:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna send it to you from no charge so that I could give it to the customer.
• 1:00:54
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:00:55
  SPEAKER_01: So that the customer would stay with their product.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_03: Wow, that's so awesome, man.
• 1:01:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, some of those guys really went out of the way.
• 1:01:03
  SPEAKER_01: But unfortunately, as some of these brands got bought out by other brands, you know, it it became less and less and less.
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_01: So, like one rep would be now I do this brand, this brand, this brand, this brand, this brand.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_04: You know, wow, so no more competition because it's the same rep selling everything.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it and then it became like uh JBL doesn't make JBL anymore.
• 1:01:24
  SPEAKER_01: JBL is now made by this other company.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh wow, and this other company didn't make this anymore, and then some were even broken up even weirder, where the company was the parts were made by this other company, but it was manufactured by this other one.
• 1:01:38
  SPEAKER_01: So it'd be like, okay, I need the part that broke, but you you you wouldn't order it from that company, it would be like the other third company that made the part for the second company that sent it to the third company that built it.
• 1:01:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so you got kind of involved.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_04: It's not just pro audio that does that, by the way.
• 1:01:57
  SPEAKER_04: It's every industry.
• 1:01:58
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_03: So that's what you like, that's what we labeled as pro audio?
• 1:02:01
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, uh the professional audio.
• 1:02:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it would be like the recording and sound and lights and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 1:02:09
  SPEAKER_03: Like, okay.
• 1:02:10
  SPEAKER_03: I want to say production.
• 1:02:11
  SPEAKER_03: Is it production?
• 1:02:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, pretty much.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, yeah.
• 1:02:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's nice, man.
• 1:02:15
  SPEAKER_03: So did you you had to sell lights too?
• 1:02:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but lights was never my thing.
• 1:02:18
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:02:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I used to just turn all the lights around the fog machine and be like, what do you think, bro?
• 1:02:24
  SPEAKER_01: What you do like that one?
• 1:02:25
  SPEAKER_01: They they light up.
• 1:02:27
  SPEAKER_01: But like addressing them, because you could like you know, control that one and that one and that one and that one.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man, all that was really.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, now it's easy with computers, but back then when it was those old lighting boards, oh man, it was a night.
• 1:02:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, or and one bad cable would throw off the whole chain.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I mean it was cool, but I never really got into lighting.
• 1:02:47
  SPEAKER_01: It was not my it was not my thing.
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and shout out to SoundVibes.
• 1:02:51
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want y'all to think we're just biased uh guitars and the sound vibes is out here too.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_03: And anybody Los Music, you remember Los Music?
• 1:02:58
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, so I got my first guitar over there.
• 1:03:00
  SPEAKER_03: You remember that one, bro?
• 1:03:01
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, Los Music.
• 1:03:02
  SPEAKER_01: One of my buddies got his Pachucci there, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 1:03:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he got a John Picchucci there.
• 1:03:07
  SPEAKER_01: I remember we went with the faces, yeah.
• 1:03:09
  SPEAKER_01: With the faces, yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:03:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he got it there.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_01: I think now it's uh Rich's, right?
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_03: Uh yeah, something like that.
• 1:03:16
  SPEAKER_03: No, Rich's is a little bit more down.
• 1:03:18
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, but that one little shot that I think it's changed.
• 1:03:21
  SPEAKER_03: Is it Rich's?
• 1:03:22
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think so.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_04: I don't know if it's the same building, but it's in the same area.
• 1:03:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was in the same area.
• 1:03:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, but no, yeah, sound vibes for me, like I said, that's where I go.
• 1:03:30
  SPEAKER_04: Like, yeah, anytime I bought something, it was always from Sound Vibes, unless specifically it was like pro audio stuff, I would always go to this guy.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, rest of peace to the owner, right?
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_01: He passed away just recently.
• 1:03:39
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I would always buy from Sound Vibes until I started working at Guitar Center.
• 1:03:44
  SPEAKER_04: Right, yeah, no one really, really good.
• 1:03:46
  SPEAKER_01: I got stuff at cost, you know.
• 1:03:48
  SPEAKER_01: But uh I would always go there because obviously Papo was there, which is another good friend of mine.
• 1:03:53
  SPEAKER_01: So I would always go pick his brain about gear and stuff.
• 1:03:56
  SPEAKER_01: And before I ever started working, I would buy my stuff there.
• 1:04:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I mean, really, Guitar Center didn't even exist back then.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was it was them, there was Clausens, and that was about the one on uh Brownley, yeah.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_04: Galvan.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Galvan's is true.
• 1:04:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's still there, but I don't I don't think any heart anybody hardly goes in there.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_01: Man, that that ballroom there has a lot of legacy though.
• 1:04:20
  SPEAKER_03: They're still using it today, they're using it today, like a lot of the younger bands.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I remember I used to get calls and they'd be like, hey, we need a sound guy for whatever, and I'd be like, Where's it at?
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_01: Galvan's hell no.
• 1:04:32
  SPEAKER_01: Only because there's no like elevator, so everything's up those steps.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, carrying up steps.
• 1:04:38
  SPEAKER_01: And everything up those steps, I'd be like, nah, I don't care how much you pay me.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not doing that gig, no.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_04: Hire me a mover.
• 1:04:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no way, no way.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: That was one of those venues where I just never wanted to work.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: That and kind of like American Bank, American Bank 2 is even though they have like an awesome loading area, like from the loading area, dude, to like when you actually get to the exhibition halls, it's like a mile, dude.
• 1:05:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, going through all those tunnels and up and down and left and right, and all but and you're in the air condition.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're in the time.
• 1:05:10
  SPEAKER_01: Just to walk alone, just to walk alone.
• 1:05:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_03: So you played pretty much every venue, like which which one is like which which venues do you like the most in, I guess, in this in the here around Corpus?
• 1:05:23
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I like American Bank a lot.
• 1:05:25
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, even though I complain about, you know, like the distance, only because it's so big.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: But um, I've always liked that place.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_01: As a matter of fact, funny story.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh when me and my wife got married, uh I had a rave that night.
• 1:05:41
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:05:42
  SPEAKER_01: Shout out to Skip, Skip Entertainment.
• 1:05:45
  SPEAKER_01: Skip had hired me, and they were doing like Realms Com or Comic Con or And they had a rave that night, and we had our waiting in the morning.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I told my wife, hey, uh, I got this thing tonight, it's it's it's a good pay.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm gonna do it.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then after that, we'll take off to our honeymoon.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: But we'll we'll leave with a lot of extra cash to go spend.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:06:07
  SPEAKER_01: So later we got married.
• 1:06:09
  SPEAKER_01: We had our reception.
• 1:06:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, and the dinner and everything.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: And we went home and we chilled like from I don't know, maybe seven to like ten.
• 1:06:19
  SPEAKER_01: And then we literally went, we drove underneath the Merrick Bank, went up the elevator straight up to the rave.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: And we were there like from midnight to four in the morning doing the rave together.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_01: I even told my wife, you ain't gotta take off your wedding dress.
• 1:06:32
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody's gonna even gonna know.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because everybody was dressed all crazy there.
• 1:06:37
  SPEAKER_03: A rave, bro.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_01: We did a rave there till four in the morning, and it was all out and loaded out and packed it all up.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_01: They had a rave at the American Bank Center?
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, dude.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_04: When like Comic-Con and stuff like that happens there, they do that like every year.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_04: Like the hot yeah.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they switched venues.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what they're doing it now, but back then they used to do it, and they were literally do like all the exhibition halls and all the rooms, so they would have like different speakers talking about different anime shows or whatever.
• 1:07:07
  SPEAKER_03: It was so it was part of the it was part of the what is it?
• 1:07:10
  SPEAKER_01: What'd you say at the I think it's called Realms Comic Con.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_04: Realms Con, yeah, that's what it was.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_04: It's like a it's a it's like a Comic Con or an anime con.
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_01: But um So you see chingos with Dragon Ball Z guys One Piece, yeah, and all kinds of people and what is that?
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_04: Like the That's a TV show.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_04: Ah, okay.
• 1:07:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's the it's the goat right here.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_04: This is this is the show.
• 1:07:30
  SPEAKER_04: If you want to watch anime, this is the show.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_04: One Piece?
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_04: One piece.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, okay.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_03: So how do we how do you watch anime?
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_03: Like, is it on uh there's uh is it there's websites that you can go to that are not very friendly.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_04: Okay, okay, I gotcha.
• 1:07:44
  SPEAKER_03: Alright, alright.
• 1:07:45
  SPEAKER_03: No problem.
• 1:07:46
  SPEAKER_03: That's cool, man.
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_03: I always see you wearing like shirts like that.
• 1:07:50
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, what is that, bro?
• 1:07:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, dude.
• 1:07:52
  SPEAKER_04: I'm I'm I I never got into anime until I got uh until I got married.
• 1:07:56
  SPEAKER_04: My wife was into it, and so I started watching it like Dragon Ball.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_04: I started with like Dragon Ball and stuff, and um I never thought I was gonna like it.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, I don't want stupid cartoons, I'm a man.
• 1:08:07
  SPEAKER_04: But then uh I just started watching it and I fell in love with like a couple animes, and then finally I just got into One Piece, and One Piece has like 1100 episodes, and I'm not even I'm only on like 950 something.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_04: Like I'm not even completely clear.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_03: So that is is that the norm for like those type of shows?
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_03: Like to have a lot of people.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_04: No, not usually.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_04: One Piece is probably one of the longest running ones next to like Dragon Ball, uh Naruto and Bleach, which are like are the originals, like those were the ones that came to the to the United States, and they still they're still kind of running today.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_04: Everyone has like a couple seasons here and there, then they kind of fall off, or they they just end the show.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_03: And is it like uh I I want to associate it with like Chinese, Chinese subscriptions.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, Japanese, uh Korean, Chinese, like it's mostly Japanese, like a lot of it's like Japanese, um it and then there's the whole like sub versus dub argument.
• 1:08:55
  SPEAKER_04: What the heck?
• 1:08:56
  SPEAKER_04: Like, would you rather watch it in sub or would you rather watch it in dub?
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_04: I will say that it's some animes I like in dub, some animes I like in sub.
• 1:09:03
  SPEAKER_04: Some animes I even watch in Spanish.
• 1:09:05
  SPEAKER_04: If you ever watch Demon Slayer in Spanish, that is legit.
• 1:09:08
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, for real.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_04: Um, so I don't know.
• 1:09:11
  SPEAKER_04: But sub or dub?
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_04: What is that?
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_04: Like the sound quality or yeah, no, no, no, sub, so like uh subtit are you gonna watch it with subtitles speaking in Japanese, or you're gonna watch it dubbed in English?
• 1:09:21
  SPEAKER_03: Uh okay, okay.
• 1:09:22
  SPEAKER_03: So so it's either or you're so you're there's only like one of two camps.
• 1:09:25
  SPEAKER_04: You're like, I'm either sub or I'm either dubbed.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_04: That's funny, bro.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_04: Wow.
• 1:09:30
  SPEAKER_04: One piece, one piece.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_04: So and your kids like it too?
• 1:09:32
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, dude.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_04: My son's caught up with me.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:34
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so I mean, my son's only uh 10 years old, and he's watched basically the entirety of One Piece now.
• 1:09:40
  SPEAKER_04: That dude's awesome.
• 1:09:42
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, so and my daughters they they didn't really get into One Piece too much, but they've seen a bunch of animes too, so yeah, that's cool.
• 1:09:49
  SPEAKER_03: And you and your and Sophia likes uh Deftones.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, dude.
• 1:09:52
  SPEAKER_04: My daughter's like a total new metalhead.
• 1:09:54
  SPEAKER_04: Like we listen to all kinds of stuff.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:09:57
  SPEAKER_03: Hey, dude, I want to ask you, so how how do you feel about uh Pantera doing a reunion without the the brothers?
• 1:10:05
  SPEAKER_04: Uh I feel like if you want to see Pantera, you should go, you can go see it, but me personally, I'm not gonna go see it.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Pantera's probably like one of my favorite bands of all time, but without Diamond Vinny there, I don't want to go.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_04: It's not Pantera, bro, right?
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_03: I I feel the same way too.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_03: Do you like Pantera?
• 1:10:19
  SPEAKER_04: Even though I like Zach Wilde, and I you know it's I'm just it's me personally, I just I I don't want to pay money to go see that.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's not dime, like it's not Diamond Vinny.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_03: They're not there.
• 1:10:28
  SPEAKER_03: How is it Pantera?
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: Fun fact I saw Zack Wilde here in Corpus.
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah?
• 1:10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_01: At the concrete.
• 1:10:34
  SPEAKER_04: At the concrete.
• 1:10:36
  SPEAKER_04: The concrete.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_04: That was almost as bad as Re the Reasons.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_04: The Reasons.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_04: The Reasons.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_03: Nice man.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_01: What was it?
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_01: Back Label Society.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_01: One of the loudest bands, dude, I saw here in Corpus.
• 1:10:50
  SPEAKER_03: Oh wow.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_01: So loud I literally got up and went to the back.
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_03: Did you work?
• 1:10:54
  SPEAKER_03: Do you remember Johnny Land or Texas Sky, right?
• 1:10:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I actually played.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_01: We did one show there.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: Many, many, many years ago.
• 1:11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was a it was a good venue.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know what happened to it or or what happened.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_01: Do you remember that one?
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_03: Nah, not that one.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_03: I saw Pantera there.
• 1:11:10
  SPEAKER_03: They they actually played there.
• 1:11:12
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know if it was Johnny Land or Texas Sky.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_03: It was one of those.
• 1:11:14
  SPEAKER_03: Huh.
• 1:11:15
  SPEAKER_03: No, that was before my time.
• 1:11:16
  SPEAKER_03: Lollapalooza actually uh came.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_03: I think it was Lollapalooza, yeah.
• 1:11:20
  SPEAKER_03: Didn't they do Ozfest or one of those or I think something like that, yeah.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, like 2000, because that was like one of my first concerts was Ozfest 2003, I think.
• 1:11:29
  SPEAKER_03: The San Antonio one we went to?
• 1:11:30
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, it was in Salem or Selma, Selma.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_04: Selma.
• 1:11:34
  SPEAKER_04: Uh and uh that was like my first concert, and then I remember everybody was telling me like the year before or two years before they were like Pantera was actually there.
• 1:11:41
  SPEAKER_04: Because I never actually got to see Pantera.
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_04: You didn't?
• 1:11:43
  SPEAKER_04: No, I never I never went.
• 1:11:44
  SPEAKER_04: Oh the funny story, we he went with my cousins to go see Pantera, and to this day I'll not let my mom live this down.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_04: Oh man.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_04: They all went.
• 1:11:54
  SPEAKER_04: My entire family went.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_04: No way, bro.
• 1:11:57
  SPEAKER_04: And I didn't get to go because I was only 11.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_04: I'm sorry, man.
• 1:12:00
  SPEAKER_04: And so I was like, well, whatever, I'll see him like in a couple years, right?
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_04: Whatever.
• 1:12:04
  SPEAKER_04: And you know, when I was like 16, he died, and I was like, this is this is some I'm sorry, man.
• 1:12:11
  SPEAKER_04: So, but hey, man, I mean, honestly, like I've seen enough videos, and uh one of my good friends was actually friends with Dime in Dallas.
• 1:12:19
  SPEAKER_04: He said he used to go to like their bar all the time, and he's Dime was like the most humble person you could ever meet.
• 1:12:25
  SPEAKER_04: He was like, he was like, Oh, how you feeling today?
• 1:12:27
  SPEAKER_04: You're not feeling here's a shot, take a shot.
• 1:12:29
  SPEAKER_04: That'll make you feel way better.
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 1:12:32
  SPEAKER_04: So, I mean, I've I've heard stories, so I mean it's cool that I haven't seen him, but uh that would have been one of the one bands that I did want to see before.
• 1:12:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and you had him as the uh your number one on your top ten uh TikToks.
• 1:12:45
  SPEAKER_04: Oh yeah, dude.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_04: Dime Dime for me is the number one guitarist that I'll always follow.
• 1:12:49
  SPEAKER_04: Like to this day, like I'm still trying to learn solos and be like, man, what did he do here and where did it come from?
• 1:12:56
  SPEAKER_04: You know what I mean?
• 1:12:57
  SPEAKER_04: Like, how did he come up with this combination?
• 1:12:59
  SPEAKER_04: Because some of the artists that I listen to, it's like it's very um mechanical.
• 1:13:03
  SPEAKER_04: Like there's there's the theory behind it is very like we're gonna stay here, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_04: And for some reason with with Dime, it's like he's got these bends that come out of nowhere, and I'm like, man, I would have never thought to bend it there, like I would have just hit the note straight.
• 1:13:17
  SPEAKER_04: So for me, Dime is just always gonna be like top tier.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 1:13:20
  SPEAKER_03: And and most of your top most of your top ten are like metal like metal, like uh yeah, like metal, right?
• 1:13:27
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_04: And most of it's like prog metal or gent, um, just because that's the style of music I listen to the most.
• 1:13:34
  SPEAKER_04: But um, there are phenomenal guitarists out there that are not in those genres that um a lot of people were actually mad at me that I didn't really I didn't put on my TikTok.
• 1:13:42
  SPEAKER_04: They were like, why didn't you put Sinister Gates on here?
• 1:13:44
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, dude, I've Avenged Sevenfold is good, I just don't like Avenged Sevenfold.
• 1:13:48
  unknown: I'm sorry.
• 1:13:49
  SPEAKER_03: So so you gotta like the band in order to like the not necessarily.
• 1:13:53
  SPEAKER_04: There's um I would say there's a few guitarists that I follow specifically, um, and I'm not really a big fan of their band.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_04: Uh Rabia Massad is one, and he's he's he's a YouTuber, but he also has a band.
• 1:14:04
  SPEAKER_04: I'm not really too into his band, but his solo stuff, his solo stuff is really good, so I follow him more as a guitarist than the band.
• 1:14:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, and then you had to uh Tobai, what's it what's his name?
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_03: Tosanobassi?
• 1:14:15
  SPEAKER_04: Tosinobasi.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that dude's insane.
• 1:14:18
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah, and Ethereum is crazy, dude.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_03: Like he uses a lot of like uh augmented uh sounds and it really doesn't stick to a certain tonality tonality.
• 1:14:28
  SPEAKER_03: He moves he does a lot of augmented stuff, and it's like, oh that's yeah, his band is it's literally just two two H-string guitar players and a drummer.
• 1:14:35
  SPEAKER_04: That's it.
• 1:14:37
  SPEAKER_04: Two H strings, yeah, and and so whenever I listen to them, I'm like, man, everything sounds so good.
• 1:14:41
  SPEAKER_04: But though the it's not just metal for them, it's like they'll go into like jazzy stuff, they'll go into like other stuff.
• 1:14:46
  SPEAKER_04: So it's it's really prog.
• 1:14:48
  SPEAKER_04: But um for for when I think of like guitarists that I like, Tosin, even even his other guitar player who I can't think of his name off the top of my head, uh Rivetta, I think his name.
• 1:14:58
  SPEAKER_04: Um, but man, he's super good too.
• 1:15:00
  SPEAKER_04: He's like just as good as Tosin, if not, you know, right there with him.
• 1:15:04
  SPEAKER_03: And they use their they use their fingers mostly, they don't even know.
• 1:15:07
  SPEAKER_04: No, no, a lot of their stuff is is picked, but they do have some like uh thumping style stuff, or they'll do some crazy stuff with like non-pick or just fingers.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_04: You want to talk about guitar players that don't use picks, I uh or that you do a lot of hybrid picking.
• 1:15:21
  SPEAKER_04: I think of um Tim Henson.
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_04: He's like the polyphia guy that everybody's talking about now.
• 1:15:27
  SPEAKER_04: Um he's probably the one that's like out there that everybody knows.
• 1:15:31
  SPEAKER_04: Um that that video actually got the most views and the most comments on my on my channel.
• 1:15:36
  SPEAKER_04: I saw that.
• 1:15:37
  SPEAKER_04: And it's just because everybody was arguing that's not metal, that's not rock, that's whatever, bro.
• 1:15:42
  SPEAKER_04: Just he's a great guitarist, what does it matter?
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_04: So and then it was my list, it was my personal list.
• 1:15:48
  SPEAKER_04: Like, so what do you care?
• 1:15:49
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:15:51
  SPEAKER_01: It seems like those eight-string guitar players are getting rid of bass players now.
• 1:15:55
  SPEAKER_03: Well, Mashuga still has a bass player, so bad.
• 1:16:00
  SPEAKER_03: Mashuga's awesome.
• 1:16:01
  SPEAKER_03: I like those guys, yeah.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_03: So and I've been listening to like Spotify, and like I'll do similar songs.
• 1:16:08
  SPEAKER_03: I I like Spotify a lot, and I try to I like to find new stuff, and man, it's it's pretty cool.
• 1:16:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and a lot of these uh bands are from like overseas, you know what I mean, and they have stuff that's not it's different from the stuff we hear here.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_03: That's why I like it a lot.
• 1:16:23
  SPEAKER_03: Because I like stuff that's like it'll change and like it won't go back, almost like a Baroque type style and not classical, you know, classical reoccurs or whatever.
• 1:16:32
  SPEAKER_03: It's almost just and then it ends.
• 1:16:34
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's main of the reason why I like it, because that's how my brain is.
• 1:16:38
  SPEAKER_04: Like, it's not always you remember uh growing up on the LD50 album, like how a lot of it was like that.
• 1:16:44
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, do you remember that?
• 1:16:45
  SPEAKER_04: Like, because a lot of it there was really like I mean some of it had verse chorus, verse chorus, right?
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_04: But a lot of it was like we're gonna go into this and then this, and then we're gonna go this and then this, and we're never gonna go back to the original.
• 1:16:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's just gonna keep progressing, and then that August August Burns Red.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, a lot of their stuff too, and they're heavier than the I think they're way heavier than the LD50, which LD50 is has its due.
• 1:17:05
  SPEAKER_03: But but uh yeah, August Burns Red is like that.
• 1:17:07
  SPEAKER_03: And I love I love that how it just goes and then it doesn't come back.
• 1:17:09
  SPEAKER_03: And what woggles me is like how do they remember all that stuff?
• 1:17:12
  SPEAKER_04: Well, yeah, the band that I think that for is between the buried and me.
• 1:17:16
  SPEAKER_04: Like when I think of a band that like I don't know how they remember their entire set because you want to talk about a band that doesn't really repeat very often, especially well in the earlier stuff they didn't really repeat very often.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_04: It's just sections on sections, 10 minute, 12-minute songs of just like we're going to the next thing, we're going to the next thing, we're going and the drummer's going crazy, the guitarist is going crazy, there's a piano, there's a guitarist, and the bass player, everybody's doing something different.
• 1:17:39
  SPEAKER_04: And I'm like, dude, how y'all remember all this stuff?
• 1:17:42
  SPEAKER_03: Seriously.
• 1:17:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's all man, it's awesome.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_03: I think we're coming up in an hour 15.
• 1:17:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, cool.
• 1:17:48
  SPEAKER_03: I usually do like an hour or so.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you guys for coming out.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_03: Y'all had y'all have anything else you want to share?
• 1:17:53
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, man.
• 1:17:54
  SPEAKER_03: I appreciate uh appreciate the time.
• 1:17:57
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, yeah, man.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_04: Thanks for coming out.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_01: Getting hungry.
• 1:17:59
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, getting hungry.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_04: Yeah, all right, all right, all right.
• 1:18:01
  SPEAKER_04: There's a water burger down the show.
• 1:18:04
  SPEAKER_01: No, as a matter of fact, I stopped by the house to walk my dog real quick before I came over here.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, okay.
• 1:18:08
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh man, it smells good.
• 1:18:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I was already cooking.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_01: She's cooking.
• 1:18:12
  SPEAKER_01: Ah, you can get a home cooked meal.
• 1:18:14
  SPEAKER_04: I was like, babe, I have to go do this thing.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_04: I'll be right back.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_04: Well, I do I do got some pork chops waiting for me.
• 1:18:18
  SPEAKER_04: Oh, you got one too?
• 1:18:19
  SPEAKER_04: Nah, bro.
• 1:18:20
  SPEAKER_04: That's awesome.
• 1:18:21
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but thanks.
• 1:18:22
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you guys for coming on, for coming on the show, talking about what y'all talking about.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_04: Absolutely, man.
• 1:18:25
  SPEAKER_04: Dude, I could talk about music all day.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, dude.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, for real.
• 1:18:28
  SPEAKER_04: That's awesome.
• 1:18:29
  SPEAKER_01: Well, man, best of luck with your endeavors, and I hope everything goes awesome.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_03: Likewise.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_03: Likewise.
• 1:18:34
  SPEAKER_04: Appreciate it.
• 1:18:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I know any interesting people that I can send this way.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'll try my hardest to convince them.
• 1:18:41
  SPEAKER_04: I need you to go out there.
• 1:18:43
  SPEAKER_03: All right, y'all.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_03: Nothing else.
• 1:18:45
  SPEAKER_03: Thank you guys for joining.
• 1:18:46
  SPEAKER_03: This is uh Corpus Christi Originals Podcast.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_03: Uh have a good one.