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11-3 H4: Rick Neuheisel Joins, Hey Chuck & One Last Thing · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Chuck in the Morning Sports Radio 93.3
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Speaker 1: KJR FM. Just to repeat the news that just happened
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Speaker 1: in the last 15 minutes or so, the Seattle Mariners
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Speaker 1: have hired a new manager. Jason Kanzler, the 36-year-old, would
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Speaker 1: be the third manager that Jerry DiPoto has hired during
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Speaker 1: his tenure.
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Speaker 2: All three, I should say.
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Speaker 1: Of the managers have had no managerial experience before being
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Speaker 1: hired by the Mariners. We'll have Chuck Powell join us
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Speaker 1: from his vacation a little bit later on in the
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Speaker 1: hour at 9.30. But first, let's discuss a little bit
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Speaker 1: of college football with Rick Neuheisel.
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Speaker 3: As part of our continuing in-depth college football coverage, it's
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Speaker 3: time for our weekly visit with college football analyst and
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Speaker 3: former head coach Rick Neuheisel. Brought to you by Taco
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Speaker 1: Lots of going on this morning. It's the day after
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Speaker 1: a Seahawks game. Mariners just hired their new manager, but
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Speaker 1: we got to squeeze in some college football and what
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Speaker 1: better person to do it with Then the coach himself,
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Speaker 1: Rick Neuheisel, joins us here on a Tuesday morning at
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Speaker 1: 9 o'clock.
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Speaker 2: Rick, thank you so much for joining us. How are you?
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Speaker 4: I am well. How are you boys doing today?
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Speaker 1: Doing great. Doing great. I got Hugh Millen with me today.
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Speaker 1: He's helping me fill the gaps until Chuck is back
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Speaker 1: from vacation. And, you know, there's just so much going
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Speaker 1: on in college football. I just there's I don't know
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Speaker 1: where to start. So let's just start with a couple
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Speaker 1: of newsworthy situations here. And then I'll let you and
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Speaker 1: Hugh kind of talk shop here. Florida State firing Mike Norvell.
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Speaker 1: Was this a long time coming?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, it just became untenable to hold the rope any longer,
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Speaker 4: even though the buyout is going to be sizable, $ 50
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Speaker 4: million they're going to owe Coach Norvell. But it just
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Speaker 4: wasn't getting better, and you just couldn't continue down that path.
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Speaker 4: What's interesting is who's going to be on the list
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Speaker 4: to want that job because you can't take that job
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Speaker 4: and leave what you have as a good job, assuming
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Speaker 4: that you've got a head coaching job, which normally is,
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Speaker 4: the list of candidates for a blue blood place like that.
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Speaker 4: You can't go there without knowledge of what the future
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Speaker 4: looks like. Florida State has long been wanting out of
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Speaker 4: the ACC. They've been challenging the league in court for
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Speaker 4: the television rights that are owned by ESPN through 2036.
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Speaker 4: And if you're making $ 40 million as a school in
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Speaker 4: that deal and you're trying to recruit against The SEC
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Speaker 4: and the Big Ten, who are making 80 twice that,
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Speaker 4: it's a very difficult situation. So the new guy who's
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Speaker 4: going to take this job has got to know a
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Speaker 4: lot that right now seems to be unknown.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then one more news piece came out that
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma has fired Ben Arbuckle, of course, the former Washington
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Speaker 1: State Cougars offensive coordinator. What's been going on in that
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Speaker 1: situation down there?
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Speaker 4: Well, they've just been struggling offensively, both the offense in
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Speaker 4: general and John Mateer, the quarterback that he took with him.
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Speaker 4: Mateer was terrific playing against the competition that he was
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Speaker 4: playing against at Washington State. The step up at the SEC,
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Speaker 4: he just didn't have all the throws. Kind of a
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Speaker 4: flatline fastball pitcher. Couldn't get the ball kind of to
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Speaker 4: drop into spots. And without that consistency, the offense has struggled.
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Speaker 4: Brent Venables, this is the second time that he'll have
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Speaker 4: fired an offensive coordinator during a season. He did that
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Speaker 4: to Seth Luttrell, his first offensive coordinator. Sometimes defensive coordinators
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Speaker 4: are the hardest to please when they become head coaches.
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Speaker 4: Kyle Whittingham fired a bunch of offensive coordinators while he
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Speaker 4: was at Utah as well. So that just comes with
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Speaker 4: the territory. We'll see how Jason Witten does, the new
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Speaker 4: play caller, formerly the tight end of the Cowboys.
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Speaker 5: I wasn't aware of that. That's going to be good action.
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Speaker 5: Rick Neuhausen with us. Rick, let's go back to Saturday
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Speaker 5: night in Lincoln. Huskies get certainly in many ways a
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Speaker 5: dramatic win. Coming out of there, what were your thoughts
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Speaker 5: about what you saw in that game?
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Speaker 4: You know what's amazing is I turned the channel to
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Speaker 4: that game as the last game to watch, and there
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Speaker 4: literally were two minutes left, and I saw Chris Lawson's
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Speaker 4: catch on the sideline, 4th and 18th. That was the
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Speaker 4: first play I saw of the entire game, and obviously
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Speaker 4: I was entertained with how it all wound up. What
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Speaker 4: a turn of events. When you look at the numbers,
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Speaker 4: Elijah Brown, 19 for 30, 136 yards. It looks as
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Speaker 4: if the Nebraska defense, like they have for much of
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Speaker 4: the year, kind of just kept everything in front of them.
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Speaker 4: And while the numbers are okay, they just didn't make
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Speaker 4: any plays. Seven to three at the time when I
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Speaker 4: tuned in, and all of a sudden Lawson makes this
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Speaker 4: heroic play. Then he catches one after a corner fire.
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Speaker 4: And DeMond sees the fire, replaces it with a throw
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Speaker 4: that gives Lawson a chance to make a move on
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Speaker 4: the safety who comes downhill. And it's just a beautiful
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Speaker 4: way to finish a game. And it has everybody believing
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Speaker 4: that DeMond Williams is back. And hopefully he is. But
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Speaker 4: he's going to have to learn from what he saw
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Speaker 4: when Elijah Brown was in the game and how the
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Speaker 4: ball gets out of the hand and how the West
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Speaker 4: Coast offense is as much about, which a lot of
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Speaker 4: these NFL principles come from, is as much about ball
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Speaker 4: placement and the ability to make plays after you catch
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Speaker 4: it as it is about just completing a pass.
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Speaker 6: No doubt.
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Speaker 5: And so, Rick, if you were the coach of Washington
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Speaker 5: faced with the decision, you're playing Penn State at home.
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Speaker 5: Who do you start at quarterback? What's your plan? Do
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Speaker 5: you have any plan to use them both or or
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Speaker 5: you just ride one? And then that's your thoughts. If
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Speaker 5: you're the coach and then what do you think Jed does?
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Speaker 4: Well, let's start with what Jed does because what I
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Speaker 4: think doesn't matter. I think Jed's going to start DeMond.
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Speaker 2: Not true, Coach Neuheisel, but go ahead.
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Speaker 4: I think Jed's going to start DeMond. I think he's
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Speaker 4: already said that as long as he came out of
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Speaker 4: the game physically fit, that that's going to be where
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Speaker 4: he's going. Look, he's put a lot of resources in
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Speaker 4: DeMond Williams. He's put his own reputation out there to
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Speaker 4: bring DeMond Williams back after he had to look like
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Speaker 4: he was bolting. There is no question that he wants
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Speaker 4: DeMond Williams to be a hero here. And the fact
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Speaker 4: that he had that kind of finish in Lincoln, he
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Speaker 4: thinks is going to be a catalyst to this. And
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Speaker 4: so DeMond's going to get the start. Elijah Brown will
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Speaker 4: be ready. And I don't think Jed will wait as
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Speaker 4: long as maybe he did in the past if it's
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Speaker 4: a struggle buzz for DeMond against the Nittany Lions. But
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Speaker 4: DeMond's going to get the start. And for Husky fans,
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Speaker 4: I hope he's learned while watching. And that's what, if
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Speaker 4: you're going to get your feelings hurt when you get benched,
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Speaker 4: there's no question about it. But if you're mature, you
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Speaker 4: realize this isn't helping me. I got to study. I
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Speaker 4: got to see what Elijah's doing that I can do
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Speaker 4: when I get back in there. And if he does,
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Speaker 4: then you're going to have the best of both worlds.
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Speaker 5: Rick Neuheisel with us. And so I know you're going
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Speaker 5: to say the sensible response is let's just wait until
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Speaker 5: the rest of the season. But if we had to
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Speaker 5: kind of try and forecast how this is going to
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Speaker 5: play out, what's going to be the demand for DeMond
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Speaker 5: from the Washington perspective from Jed? I mean, if you
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Speaker 5: had to look into your crystal ball, forecast how things
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Speaker 5: look for DeMond in the quarterback position for the Huskies
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Speaker 5: next year.
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Speaker 4: Well, I think that Jed's being glass half full right now,
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Speaker 4: that this was a great kickstart to DeMond getting going again.
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Speaker 4: The schedule the next two weeks is manageable. The Penn
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Speaker 4: State game is a winnable game. The Nittany Lions are vulnerable.
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Speaker 4: Rocco Beck's a good player, and they're coming off a win.
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Speaker 4: But in front of a Husky crowd, this is a
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Speaker 4: winnable game. And then Michigan State's struggling this year, not
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Speaker 4: much in the way of offense. If you can get
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Speaker 4: a couple of wins and then Indiana come to town,
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Speaker 4: that is the perfect scenario for the Husky crowd to
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Speaker 4: impact a game. That is the one where the Huskies...
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Speaker 4: are going to remind everybody, when you come to Husky Stadium,
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Speaker 4: you better buckle your chin strap a notch tighter. You better.
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Speaker 4: That will be one of those fun games. And then Oregon,
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Speaker 4: you know, they had a nice win against Northwestern last week,
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Speaker 4: but they only ran for 104 yards. I think what
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Speaker 4: is going on with Ryan Walters and that defense... Look
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Speaker 4: what they did to Nebraska. I think they can beat
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Speaker 4: Oregon in Autzen, especially if DeMond or whoever's playing quarterback
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Speaker 4: is hot. And I think DeMond will want to come back.
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Speaker 4: I think Jed will have won the crowd, and it'll
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Speaker 4: be crowd-pleasing with that kind of finish. If anything else
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Speaker 4: happens and it looks as if it's DeMond's fault, then
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Speaker 4: I think DeMond will be looking for another place to
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Speaker 4: play next year.
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Speaker 5: Well, the way you project that possible upset against Indiana
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Speaker 5: and the way the crowd aided the efforts reminds me
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Speaker 5: of a certain Miami Hurricane team that walked through the
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Speaker 5: Husky Stadium title with 17 future first-round draft picks against our–
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Speaker 5: the Huskies had one, Jeremy Stevens, and somehow– you were
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Speaker 5: able to manufacture one of the great wins in Husky history.
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Speaker 2: And I'm sure you're going to tell us that the
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Speaker 2: crowd played a huge part in that.
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Speaker 4: The crowd made about 15 tackles that day.
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Speaker 2: I guarantee it.
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Speaker 4: We got the 12s, we got the 15s, Rick. I
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Speaker 4: am telling you that was a monster. And Hugh, you
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Speaker 4: remember during your glory days that how many times that
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Speaker 4: Husky crowd changed the face of the game and the
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Speaker 4: complexion of a game. It's just, it's one of the
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Speaker 4: great home field advantages out there. I know there's been
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Speaker 4: some disappointment when, you know, games against Iowa and Minnesota,
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Speaker 4: but I think this thing can turn. The defense is
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Speaker 4: playing terrific. I like the Huskies' chances, and that will
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Speaker 4: be absolutely my upset pick that weekend if it goes
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Speaker 4: like I think it will the next couple of weeks.
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Speaker 5: We'll hold you to it. So, Rick, the first playoff
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Speaker 5: rankings come out tonight. What are you expecting? Do you
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Speaker 5: have any predictions for some surprises? What's your thoughts about it?
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Speaker 5: Is it too early for that? What are we looking
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Speaker 5: for tonight?
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Speaker 4: Well, you know, It's going to be pretty, you know, mundane.
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Speaker 4: I think, you know, the usual suspects will be there.
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Speaker 4: We've all seen these rankings out there. I think Ohio
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Speaker 4: State's going to be ranked a little bit higher than
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Speaker 4: where they are in the AP poll right now. The
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Speaker 4: Buckeyes are sitting there at 11. I think they're going
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Speaker 4: to be somewhere between 7 and 10. The thought that
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Speaker 4: Luke Fahey, their quarterback, will– you know, blossom, there was
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Speaker 4: enough to watch there that, uh, we'll keep them in
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Speaker 4: the hunt. I actually think they're going to be ahead
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Speaker 4: of USC, which is kind of blasphemous given that the
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Speaker 4: Trojan just beat them. But I, I think that they're
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Speaker 4: going to be ahead of them. Uh, and I, and
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Speaker 4: I think that, uh, You know, the rest of it's
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Speaker 4: going to be pretty– what's going to be interesting is
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Speaker 4: where Utah and BYU are given that they're Big 12 teams.
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Speaker 4: Is there any bias shown to the SEC Big 10
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Speaker 4: as opposed to Big 12 and what they've faced in
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Speaker 4: terms of their schedules? That will be interesting. The other
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Speaker 4: thing is where do they have Wake Forest? Because Wake Forest,
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Speaker 4: to me, is having a monster year. Everybody remembers Jake
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Speaker 4: Dickert there in the state of Washington. He is the
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Speaker 4: hottest coach out there. And if Florida State could ink him,
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Speaker 4: they would ink him tomorrow.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy to his assent, right? Rick Neuheisel with us. Hey,
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Speaker 5: just a programming note. The Mariners have hired Jason Kanzler,
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Speaker 5: Chicago Cubs Director of Player Development.
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Speaker 2: We're aware of that.
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Speaker 5: We're going to talk to Chuck Powell at the bottom
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Speaker 5: of the hour and talk baseball for the rest of
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Speaker 5: the hour. But we got a few more minutes with
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Speaker 5: Rick Neuheisel here. And Rick, what about your Bruins? I
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Speaker 5: think it's a wonderful story with Bob Chesney and what
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Speaker 5: have you. So I kind of find myself being a
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Speaker 5: fan of sorts. in that regard, but do you think
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Speaker 5: the committee buys them? Do you think they're going to
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Speaker 5: play for the Big Ten championship? What do you think
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Speaker 5: holds for the Bruins over the next few weeks?
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Speaker 4: I think the Bruins are somewhere 6-7 tonight. Listen, you
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Speaker 4: can't be better than undefeated, but their schedule has been
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Speaker 4: incredibly beneficial. That doesn't mean that they're not worthy. And
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Speaker 4: they're going to get opportunities down the stretch to get
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Speaker 4: this thing absolutely into the clubhouse. They've got Minnesota this week.
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Speaker 4: That'll be a tough game. It'll be probably a 14-10
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Speaker 4: type of game. Very low scoring. Minnesota at home is
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Speaker 4: very tough. They've beaten Iowa there. They beat Michigan there.
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Speaker 4: They will give UCLA fifth. But UCLA's defense and run
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Speaker 4: game travels. And I think they'll be right there. 14-10
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Speaker 4: type of game. You pick who wins. Uh, then they've got, uh,
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Speaker 4: Illinois back at home. I think they win that one.
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Speaker 4: Then they finished with Michigan on the road and USC.
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Speaker 4: They'll be able to, if they can win one of
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Speaker 4: those two, they're in the college football playoff and, uh,
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Speaker 4: Bob Chesney will be coach of the year.
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Speaker 2: Oh, he sure will.
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Speaker 5: And he'll deserve it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Talk about any three loss teams. And of course, uh,
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Speaker 5: there are a little bit, some of us are sitting
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Speaker 5: there saying, well, the Huskies have three losses. Um, Alabama
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Speaker 5: made it with three losses. Until we go to 24,
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Speaker 5: we're still at 12 here. Do you forecast from the
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Speaker 5: Big Ten or the SEC one or more three-loss teams?
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Speaker 5: And I guess a tenet to that question, Rick, is
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Speaker 5: there some Hail Mary? We can thread all the needle
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Speaker 5: and the planets align and the Huskies have any chance,
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Speaker 5: or is that just silly talk?
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Speaker 4: If the Huskies win out and win out impressively, they'll
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Speaker 4: be in the conversation because they've been absent the rankings
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Speaker 4: for much of the year. But the committee will respond
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Speaker 4: to a team that's getting much better, especially if it's
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Speaker 4: DeMond that comes back in and all of a sudden
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Speaker 4: has this revelation and realizes how Jed wants the offense run.
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Speaker 4: The ball comes out of his hand and it's accurate
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Speaker 4: and all the things that we wish for him. they'll,
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Speaker 4: they'll be considered. I think Michigan, even with their three
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Speaker 4: losses and the one crazy win at the start of
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Speaker 4: the season, I think Michigan, if they went out because
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Speaker 4: of the prowess of their defense and this revelation of
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Speaker 4: a new quarterback in Tommy Carr, I think all of
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Speaker 4: a sudden they could get back in because they have
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Speaker 4: UCLA and Ohio state to finish the season. Those two
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Speaker 4: games with victories could be absolutely huge. So Michigan, And
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Speaker 4: in the SEC, the loser of the LSU-Alabama game, I think,
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Speaker 4: is still alive. They play this week. The loser will
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Speaker 4: have three losses. But if they win out after that,
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Speaker 4: I think because of their brand recognition, they'll make the CFP.
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Speaker 5: How about Oregon State? at Ohio State, I guess there's
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Speaker 5: a scenario where the Ducks could steal if they win out.
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Speaker 4: The Ducks are right there with Washington. Imagine the Oregon
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Speaker 4: and Washington winning all the way until that game in Eugene.
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Speaker 4: That would be a de facto playoff game. That would
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Speaker 4: be a de facto playoff game. The Ducks found a
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Speaker 4: way to simplify their offense last week. They changed coordinators.
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Speaker 4: and basically let Dylan Rayola, because Northwestern played a bunch
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Speaker 4: of man, let Dylan Rayola play one-on-one. It's like period
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Speaker 4: five in practice, right? And all of a sudden, he
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Speaker 4: started growing fades, and he started throwing deep balls, and
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Speaker 4: all of a sudden, he was a new guy. When
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Speaker 4: you make it complicated for Rayola, he ends up playing underneath.
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Speaker 4: I thought Northwestern should have been in a lot of
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Speaker 4: more three-man rush, eight-man drop, make him hold the ball
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Speaker 4: a little while, make him uncomfortable. But they came after him,
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Speaker 4: but they never got there, and Rayola picked them apart.
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Speaker 4: So it'll be interesting to see how Ohio State plays.
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Speaker 4: By the way, did you hear Urban Meyer just go
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Speaker 4: off on Ohio State He's saying, if I were their
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Speaker 4: head coach or if I were their assistant coach, I
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Speaker 4: would be so mad at this team because you're playing
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Speaker 4: with a backup quarterback and Luke Fahey and everybody else
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Speaker 4: went in there and act like their normal effort could
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Speaker 4: get it done. You have to elevate when you're playing
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Speaker 4: with somebody who's brand new at that position, and that
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Speaker 4: wasn't what happened. They had 15 penalties. They let an
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Speaker 4: easy house call on the second play of the game
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Speaker 4: on a tunnel screen that went the distance. There just
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Speaker 4: wasn't enough urgency. So it'll be interesting to see what
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Speaker 4: kind of effort we get out of the Buckeyes this weekend.
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Speaker 5: Well stated. Now, Rick, we got under a minute here.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to put your law school smarts to work here.
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Speaker 5: I'm going to, I'm going to, uh, a thought experiment
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Speaker 5: here that you'll be able to grasp this. I had
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Speaker 5: a buddy who was on the Washington tennis team when, when, uh,
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Speaker 5: they had a match, let's say against UCLA, one played one,
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Speaker 5: two played two, three play down to six. And then
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Speaker 5: the doubles one versus double, you know, doubles two, et cetera.
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Speaker 5: And then they tallied it all up and that's who
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Speaker 5: won the tennis match. Got me in that scenario.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: SEC versus Big Ten. Now there's 18 in the Big Ten,
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Speaker 5: so we're going to take the middle two out of
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Speaker 5: the Big Ten.
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Speaker 2: So now we're down to 16.
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Speaker 5: In the Big Ten. Top eight, play the top eight,
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Speaker 5: bottom eight, and we match them by seeding. Who is
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Speaker 5: a better conference, SEC or the Big Ten, by that format?
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Speaker 4: This year, I'm going to lean towards the SEC.
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Speaker 7: Okay.
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Speaker 4: I think that they have more explosiveness on offense. For
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Speaker 4: whatever reason, we're lacking that in the Big Ten right now.
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Speaker 4: It may just be the reaction of defenses to the RPO.
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Speaker 4: We're getting smaller at safety. We're getting smaller at linebackers
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Speaker 4: so we can cover. And I think you're seeing a
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Speaker 4: return to bludgeon ball, which is, you know, two backs,
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Speaker 4: whether it's an actual fullback or an H-back that's moving
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Speaker 4: into the ranks. And we're trying to run the ball.
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Speaker 4: And running the ball is a very difficult thing, as
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Speaker 4: we're seeing over and over. But I think there's probably
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Speaker 4: a little bit more explosive talent in the SEC right now.
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Speaker 7: Wow.
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Speaker 1: I just love sitting back, listening to a conversation between
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Speaker 1: Rick Neuheisel and Hugh Millen here on Chuck in the
19:33
Speaker 1: Morning Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM. I can't let you go, Rick,
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Speaker 1: without a weekly tradition here. What's your taco time pick
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Speaker 1: of the week this week?
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Speaker 4: The taco time pick of the week. uh we are
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Speaker 4: going to take utah over byu in the holy war
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Speaker 4: oh yeah uh number three versus number seven they have
19:54
Speaker 4: a student section there called the mighty utah student section
19:58
Speaker 4: the muss and the muss will create a fuss I
20:03
Speaker 4: promise you it will be wild at Rice Eccles. It's
20:06
Speaker 4: at 10 a.m. in the morning in Utah, but the
20:08
Speaker 4: Mormons don't drink anyway. They'll be ready. It'll be, it'll
20:12
Speaker 4: be jumping.
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Speaker 2: I love that. Oh my God. That, that will be
20:16
Speaker 2: in that plane.
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Speaker 7: That's the way to do it.
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Speaker 1: That will be one of the best Holy Wars, at
20:22
Speaker 1: the very least in my lifetime, considering where those two
20:25
Speaker 1: schools are at right now. But Rick Neuheisel, appreciate you
20:29
Speaker 1: joining the show today. Don't worry, you'll get Chuck Powell
20:31
Speaker 1: with you again next week. So we'll talk to you soon, okay?
20:34
Speaker 4: You tell Chuck the next time he takes a vacation
20:37
Speaker 4: during college football season, it's over for him. That can't happen.
20:42
Speaker 1: I will definitely, I'll relay that message to him for sure.
20:46
Speaker 1: Cause we are talking to him next segment, actually. So
20:49
Speaker 1: thanks so much, Rick. We'll talk again soon.
20:50
Speaker 4: All right. You guys go enjoy that Seattle Mariner deal.
20:54
Speaker 4: Let's get the Mariners back on top.
20:56
Speaker 1: Thank you.
20:56
Speaker 2: Let's do that.
20:57
Speaker 1: And on that note, we will talk to Chuck. We
21:00
Speaker 1: will talk to Chuck Powell coming up next, discussing the
21:03
Speaker 1: hiring of the Mariners manager. It is Jason Kanzler. We'll
21:07
Speaker 1: get Chuck's thoughts next on sports radio, 93.3 KJR FM.
21:15
Speaker 7: Welcome back to Chuck in the Morning.
21:16
Speaker 1: Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM. Anderson Hurst, Christopher Kidd, and Hugh
21:20
Speaker 1: Millen helping fill the gaps until Chuck returns a little
21:23
Speaker 1: bit later this week. But we had to give him
21:25
Speaker 1: a call based off of the recent news that has
21:29
Speaker 1: come out. The Mariners have hired Jason Kanzler as their
21:32
Speaker 1: new manager. Happened about 45 minutes ago. And we got
21:36
Speaker 1: to get the Chuckster's opinion on where the manager, where the,
21:40
Speaker 1: mariners are headed with their new managerial hire so we
21:43
Speaker 1: bring him on the show on his vacation chuck how's
21:46
Speaker 1: everything going and uh you know what's your initial reaction
21:49
Speaker 1: to the mariners hiring jason kanzler as their next manager.
21:53
Speaker 7: Well uh all is good good to hear hear your
21:56
Speaker 7: voice uh anders hi hugh um yeah uh just came
22:00
Speaker 7: home to vacation and We're celebrating all the holidays this week,
22:04
Speaker 7: so I've already had three different feasts. I've gained 38
22:07
Speaker 7: pounds in three days. And so I will come back
22:10
Speaker 7: fat-faced and rotund. So it'll be wonderful to see you.
22:14
Speaker 7: Please don't laugh at me.
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Speaker 5: I wouldn't expect anything different.
22:18
Speaker 7: As far as the manager goes, I mean, you and I, Anders,
22:22
Speaker 7: have had this conversation a lot. I really don't think
22:26
Speaker 7: there was going to be a managerial hire that was
22:30
Speaker 7: going to win over the fan base. Um, I thought
22:33
Speaker 7: they should go experience, but once you started to get
22:37
Speaker 7: a look at the list of experienced managers that were available,
22:41
Speaker 7: there wasn't anything all that impressive to me. Um, and,
22:45
Speaker 7: and then of course, everybody thought or thinks, I think
22:50
Speaker 7: as fans, we'll just go get that guy. He's really
22:53
Speaker 7: good as a manager, but we don't know if Kevin cash,
22:56
Speaker 7: Steven vote, any of the managers who already have jobs
23:00
Speaker 7: with multiple years left on the deal. are available, number one,
23:04
Speaker 7: or two, if that's something that Jerry and Justin are
23:08
Speaker 7: even interested in, which is trading players for managers. So
23:11
Speaker 7: once it got to the point where the list of candidates,
23:17
Speaker 7: nobody really jumped off the page as somebody that this
23:21
Speaker 7: is the guy that is going to make everybody happy.
23:25
Speaker 7: Once you're to the point where you have a list
23:28
Speaker 7: of finalists and you know that the fan base isn't
23:30
Speaker 7: going to like any of them, then I guess if
23:33
Speaker 7: your job's on the line, if Jerry and Justin really
23:37
Speaker 7: do have to nail this, then you better go with
23:40
Speaker 7: your gut. I mean, if your job's on the line,
23:42
Speaker 7: your reputation's on the line, then you might as well
23:46
Speaker 7: go with the guy that you feel, um, just in
23:49
Speaker 7: your gut has the right ingredients to do it. Because
23:52
Speaker 7: once upon a time, they felt that about Steven vote
23:55
Speaker 7: and they were right. He just got hired earlier as
23:58
Speaker 7: a manager than they were intending. Um, Kevin Cash, somebody
24:02
Speaker 7: had to say, that guy's got managerial chops. I mean, yeah,
24:06
Speaker 7: he was a major league player, but not exactly a
24:10
Speaker 7: good one. And so somebody had to recognize in him
24:16
Speaker 7: attributes that he was going to be a great manager.
24:19
Speaker 7: So I don't really know anything about this Jason Kanzler.
24:23
Speaker 7: I've heard he's a great communicator. I've heard he's held
24:26
Speaker 7: various positions within various organizations and has impressed people along
24:31
Speaker 7: the way. And I've also heard that he is a
24:35
Speaker 7: organizational philosophy type guy. There was a criticism a year
24:39
Speaker 7: ago that minor league players were getting to the majors
24:44
Speaker 7: and were working on their craft in one way, and
24:48
Speaker 7: then they got to the majors and were taught something
24:50
Speaker 7: completely different. And it threw a lot of them off.
24:54
Speaker 7: From what I understand, Tanzler is one of those types
24:57
Speaker 7: that wherever he's been, he has preached organizational consistency. And
25:02
Speaker 7: that alone might be a marked improvement for the Mariners
25:06
Speaker 7: going forward. But I can't tell you if he's going
25:09
Speaker 7: to be a good manager. I can't stand and applaud.
25:13
Speaker 7: But I do kind of see how they arrived at
25:15
Speaker 7: this conclusion.
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Speaker 5: Chuck is with us from his home in Illinois, but
25:21
Speaker 5: with the managerial hire. We had to get his thoughts. Now, Chuck,
25:25
Speaker 5: I'm going to challenge you here, and I know that
25:29
Speaker 5: you are good for the task. So you're going to
25:32
Speaker 5: be a barrister in a courtroom, and you've got an
25:34
Speaker 5: impartial jury. And you're going to start with an argument.
25:42
Speaker 5: You can choose for or against, but you're going to
25:45
Speaker 5: make two arguments. impassioned arguments. Keep it at about 90
25:49
Speaker 5: seconds each, but you can go over or under.
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Speaker 2: I want you.
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Speaker 5: To make an impassioned, convincing argument why this is a
26:00
Speaker 5: good hire and And then I want you to make
26:03
Speaker 5: an impassioned, convincing argument that this is a poor hire.
26:09
Speaker 5: It's all for the sake, and you're not disclosing how
26:12
Speaker 5: you feel, but just you bring up the evidence, you
26:15
Speaker 5: craft the argument, and go ahead and convince us. So
26:20
Speaker 5: take your pick on which one, but let's hear you
26:23
Speaker 5: hear both sides of it in the most convincing way
26:26
Speaker 5: you can.
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Speaker 7: Well, I would say four that... I think that maybe
26:33
Speaker 7: what we know about Jason Kanzler is he is a
26:35
Speaker 7: great communicator. I don't think you can be a great communicator.
26:39
Speaker 7: If you are just trying to appease those that you
26:42
Speaker 7: are coaching, managing, trying to get to perform excellently, which
26:47
Speaker 7: I think was one of Dan Wilson's problems, um, that
26:50
Speaker 7: he didn't, he, he, you know, he was a nice guy.
26:54
Speaker 7: He was a liked guy, but I don't know if
26:56
Speaker 7: he was a leader from what I've heard about Jason Kanzler, uh,
26:59
Speaker 7: that he has a wonderful way with the players, but
27:02
Speaker 7: he is not soft. That, I think, was required for
27:05
Speaker 7: this team. I think, as I mentioned before, from an
27:08
Speaker 7: organizational philosophy standpoint, if he is, in fact, a beater
27:12
Speaker 7: of the drum, that you need to have consistency through
27:16
Speaker 7: your entire organization. I would agree with that wholeheartedly, and
27:20
Speaker 7: I would wonder, why on earth did this organization ever
27:25
Speaker 7: lose that? I would think every organization... would have organizational
27:29
Speaker 7: philosophy from top to bottom. And I would say that
27:34
Speaker 7: many great managers have been chosen on gut instincts. At
27:39
Speaker 7: some point, everyone who's ever been great at managing a
27:43
Speaker 7: baseball team, someone had to take a chance on them
27:46
Speaker 7: the first time. So if I'm Jerry and Justin, and
27:50
Speaker 7: I don't think that there's a choice I can make
27:53
Speaker 7: that's going to, from a PR standpoint, please everyone, then
27:57
Speaker 7: I'm going to go ahead and go with my gut,
27:58
Speaker 7: and maybe Jason Kanzler is that Stephen Vogt that they
28:02
Speaker 7: identified a couple of years ago. So that's my for.
28:05
Speaker 4: Against?
28:06
Speaker 7: Well done. I would say no managerial experience. And for
28:12
Speaker 7: an organization that is now, or a front office that
28:15
Speaker 7: has now hired its third different manager and still has
28:18
Speaker 7: not hired anyone with managerial experience, it is really hard
28:23
Speaker 7: to tell whether or not what this guy has or
28:27
Speaker 7: what he brings to the table. There is just zero information,
28:33
Speaker 7: no experience whatsoever, manager at any level. And so he
28:38
Speaker 7: better have some great instincts. He better have a great
28:40
Speaker 7: feel for the game because there's probably going to be
28:43
Speaker 7: a learning curve. And so considering that we were sold
28:47
Speaker 7: at the end of this past year, that the reason
28:50
Speaker 7: that this team didn't achieve was because of culture, coaching,
28:54
Speaker 7: and managing, This guy has to work. Otherwise, the entire
29:00
Speaker 7: operation needs to be turned on its head. So for
29:04
Speaker 7: them to roll the dice on a complete unknown to
29:09
Speaker 7: take what they believe is a World Series caliber roster
29:14
Speaker 7: and take it from, what, 75 wins to the World
29:17
Speaker 7: Series next year? Boy, they better be right with their
29:20
Speaker 7: gut because there's nothing on paper that says, Jason Kanzler
29:25
Speaker 7: was the missing ingredient.
29:27
Speaker 1: Final thing to close us out here, Chuck, before we
29:30
Speaker 1: move on and get you back to your vacation. What
29:33
Speaker 1: do you say to the fans that, as you pointed out,
29:36
Speaker 1: this is now Jerry DiPoto's third hire, and all three
29:39
Speaker 1: of his hires have come with zero managerial experience beforehand.
29:42
Speaker 1: What do you say to the fans that say that
29:45
Speaker 1: he just wanted a puppet for someone to control a
29:47
Speaker 1: little bit more instead of getting someone with a little
29:49
Speaker 1: more backbone and experience that could push.
29:51
Speaker 2: Back on him?
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Speaker 7: Well, the only thing that I would say to that
29:56
Speaker 7: is that I think that was the one thing actually wasn't,
30:02
Speaker 7: was a puppet. I think that was one of the problems.
30:06
Speaker 7: I think that the agreement that they had was that
30:10
Speaker 7: Dan would listen to all of the analytics and all
30:14
Speaker 7: of the nerderama, give him his tips, but then once
30:18
Speaker 7: the game started, I think the arrangement was he makes
30:21
Speaker 7: the lineup and he makes all the in-game decisions based
30:25
Speaker 7: off of the information that he's given, which makes the Mariners...
30:29
Speaker 7: not unlike any other team in major league baseball. So
30:33
Speaker 7: I think maybe Dan Wilson should have been used as
30:37
Speaker 7: a puppet because I really don't think he knew how
30:39
Speaker 7: to make pitching changes. And I don't think he knew
30:42
Speaker 7: how to make, um, pinch hitting decisions either. Uh, so,
30:47
Speaker 7: I mean, I think it was the downfall partly of
30:50
Speaker 7: this past season that coupled with culture. So I don't
30:54
Speaker 7: want to puppet either. Um, I don't know, because I'm
30:58
Speaker 7: not behind the scenes, but the thing is, nobody else
31:01
Speaker 7: knows either just how much Jerry and Justin have controlled
31:06
Speaker 7: past managers. I know for a fact, because it has
31:09
Speaker 7: been reported as fact by the three people that cover
31:13
Speaker 7: this team on a daily basis, Adam Jude, Daniel Kramer,
31:16
Speaker 7: and Ryan Divish, that Dan Wilson was responsible for opening
31:21
Speaker 7: for the lineups and for in-game decisions that he was
31:24
Speaker 7: not micromanaged from that standpoint. So that to me does
31:31
Speaker 7: suggest that there's a problem with the question because I
31:34
Speaker 7: don't think Dan Wilson was used as a puppet by
31:37
Speaker 7: the organization and Jason Kanzler, you know, basically bottom line
31:45
Speaker 7: in today's game, ask Pat Murphy, we need a manager.
31:49
Speaker 7: that takes all the information he can and then uses
31:54
Speaker 7: his gut based off of that information to make the
31:57
Speaker 7: decisions in the moment. And that's how that person will
32:00
Speaker 7: ultimately be judged. So, I mean, I don't know, maybe
32:04
Speaker 7: they wanted a minute, maybe they finally did want to
32:06
Speaker 7: puppet because the guy last guy wasn't, I don't know.
32:09
Speaker 4: Right.
32:10
Speaker 7: Nobody knows. Nobody can see behind, you know, the wizard
32:13
Speaker 7: of Oz's golden curtain here. Right. Right. My only thing
32:17
Speaker 7: to that is I don't feel Dan Wilson ever was
32:20
Speaker 7: a puppet, and I hope that Jason Kanzler's not going
32:24
Speaker 7: to be one now. But we have no idea exactly
32:29
Speaker 7: why or what they saw in him that pushed them
32:32
Speaker 7: over the top and made them decide, this is the
32:35
Speaker 7: guy to fix our culture and our roster. Not our roster, but...
32:42
Speaker 7: the winning ways that this roster can get to as
32:44
Speaker 7: it did the previous year.
32:46
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's well said. And I just want
32:48
Speaker 1: to clarify that I completely agree with you. I don't
32:50
Speaker 1: think from everything that we heard, Dan Wilson was a puppet.
32:53
Speaker 1: But that is obviously the resounding theme here in the
32:56
Speaker 1: responses that we've seen from fans. that trend continues with
33:02
Speaker 1: not hiring anyone with managerial experience. Well, Chuck, appreciate you
33:06
Speaker 1: spending a few minutes with us and getting your reactions.
33:09
Speaker 1: We'll of course talk to you a little bit later
33:11
Speaker 1: on this week where you can break it down in full,
33:13
Speaker 1: but you go and enjoy the rest of your vacation.
33:15
Speaker 2: Okay. All right, man. Rock.
33:18
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Chuck.
33:20
Speaker 6: All right.
33:20
Speaker 1: Thanks so much. We'll come back. We'll close out the
33:22
Speaker 1: show with one last thing next on sports radio, 93.3
33:24
Speaker 1: KJR FM.
33:28
Speaker 4: Thank you.
33:38
Speaker 1: All right, last segment here as we close out the
33:40
Speaker 1: thing with, or close out the show with one last thing,
33:43
Speaker 1: I should say. Chuck in the morning, Sports Radio 93.3
33:46
Speaker 1: KJR FM. Busy, busy show today. Day after a Seahawks
33:50
Speaker 1: loss on Monday Night Football. We talked college football with
33:54
Speaker 1: Rick Neuheisel. And of course, we got the Mariners managerial hire.
33:58
Speaker 1: Let's start with Christopher Kidd. What's your one last thing?
34:01
Speaker 1: One last thing is I know it's early, but I
34:04
Speaker 1: can't wait until Thanksgiving. I know we just jumped into November.
34:07
Speaker 1: You're telling me.
34:08
Speaker 6: We're only three days in, and I'm already talking Thanksgiving,
34:11
Speaker 6: so I am sorry, but I can't wait now.
34:14
Speaker 2: I need it to come as of yesterday. I can't
34:16
Speaker 2: wait to just sit, eat.
34:18
Speaker 6: Watch football, fall asleep, wake up, eat some more, pass out,
34:23
Speaker 6: wake up, have.
34:24
Speaker 2: Some more food, and then who knows after that. But
34:28
Speaker 2: I am... licking my fingers right now.
34:30
Speaker 1: Thinking about all the food i'm gonna get i don't
34:32
Speaker 1: know about you but it's a pet peeve of mine
34:33
Speaker 1: when i hear christmas music before thanksgiving just can't happen
34:36
Speaker 1: uh it's just that's that's the way i roll it's
34:39
Speaker 1: the best holiday don't want to overshadow it from anything
34:41
Speaker 1: else all right huey what do you got for your
34:43
Speaker 1: one last thing.
34:45
Speaker 5: Well uh we did a lot of discussing about um
34:49
Speaker 5: the roster and uh and and who played well and
34:52
Speaker 5: questions about Brian Flory and what have you. But I
34:57
Speaker 5: think it's an interesting study here. Mike McDonald, this is
35:01
Speaker 5: his first real test because 2024, after the Bills game
35:08
Speaker 5: when they got blown out, and then after the Packers
35:12
Speaker 5: game when they lost by 12, those games, you felt
35:16
Speaker 5: like you were on the incline and you're trying to
35:18
Speaker 5: build something. And of course, last year was magical.
35:21
Speaker 7: Right?
35:22
Speaker 5: And you, you, you hadn't, uh, in, in, uh, over, uh,
35:27
Speaker 5: almost two full seasons, hadn't lost a game by more
35:30
Speaker 5: than four points. And so now I think the challenge
35:34
Speaker 5: for Mike McDonnell, we're going to see what kind of
35:36
Speaker 5: head coach he is, uh, to take a four and
35:38
Speaker 5: four team that might be a little bit, uh, satiated
35:43
Speaker 5: by their Superbowl win. How can he push the buttons now? This,
35:48
Speaker 5: this still is, uh, Obviously, everything that they could ever
35:52
Speaker 5: want is still in front of them. The schedule is light.
35:56
Speaker 5: You should win the next couple games, which sets up.
35:59
Speaker 5: You get a bye week in advance of the 49er game.
36:03
Speaker 5: And the 49ers, while you, the Seahawks, have a bye,
36:07
Speaker 5: they play the Minnesota Vikings. So you get a real chance.
36:13
Speaker 5: And then following that, you play three NFC East teams
36:17
Speaker 5: that are all in various ways having a disappointing year.
36:22
Speaker 5: So if Seattle wants to get right, the schedule actually
36:29
Speaker 5: allows them to do that. We're going to see what
36:32
Speaker 5: kind of piss and vinegar the team has, how Mike
36:36
Speaker 5: McDonald can make adjustments. And see where we're at. Four
36:43
Speaker 5: and four feels pretty disappointing right now. But in a month,
36:48
Speaker 5: we could be saying, okay, now we're us. Last night,
36:55
Speaker 5: all the Bears did is hold up a mirror and
36:57
Speaker 5: show you who you are. If you don't like it,
36:59
Speaker 5: change it.
37:00
Speaker 4: Right.
37:00
Speaker 2: I love that.
37:01
Speaker 1: I love that mindset. And I hope I hope they
37:03
Speaker 1: can overcome that. It's just it's so much harder to do.
37:05
Speaker 1: As you mentioned multiple times to do it after you've
37:08
Speaker 1: already won a Super Bowl with the majority of the
37:10
Speaker 1: same roster than before you have.
37:12
Speaker 7: Right.
37:12
Speaker 1: So I hope they can figure it out. That's why
37:14
Speaker 1: it's so hard to go back to back in today's game.
37:16
Speaker 1: I'm going to do my one last thing on the Mariners.
37:19
Speaker 1: I'm just going to read Jerry DePoto and Justin Hollander's
37:21
Speaker 1: statement on hiring Jason Kanzler. This is from Jerry DePoto.
37:25
Speaker 1: Our goal in this process was finding a manager with
37:27
Speaker 1: the ability to challenge all of us to improve. Jason
37:30
Speaker 1: has the mindset, expertise and communication skills and intensity to
37:35
Speaker 1: help create a championship standard here in Seattle. That's from
37:38
Speaker 1: Jerry DiPoto and Justin Hollander. We are excited to welcome
37:41
Speaker 1: Jason and Ashley and their family to the Mariners. Throughout
37:44
Speaker 1: the process, Jason consistently demonstrated elite leadership skills, high end
37:48
Speaker 1: content and ability to connect. and partner with players, staff,
37:52
Speaker 1: and front office. We believe Jason is the right person
37:55
Speaker 1: to lead our organization back to the postseason. And my
37:58
Speaker 1: response to those two quotes is, it better be, as
38:01
Speaker 1: Chuck Powell said in his segment here with us, this
38:03
Speaker 1: is your last chance. You can no longer blame the manager.
38:07
Speaker 1: So they're going with a relatively unknown commodity, not even relatively,
38:11
Speaker 1: completely unknown commodity here. And if you look across Major
38:15
Speaker 1: League Baseball, a lot of the best managers right now
38:18
Speaker 1: were previously right before their current job. No managerial experience.
38:23
Speaker 4: Right.
38:24
Speaker 1: But you still have to get this right. So they
38:26
Speaker 1: go with the gut feel. They don't go with the
38:28
Speaker 1: safe hire. Hopefully it works out. Otherwise, we'll be talking
38:31
Speaker 1: about probably a new front office group at the end
38:33
Speaker 1: of of next season all right huey really appreciate i've
38:37
Speaker 1: had such a good time uh hosting these last two
38:39
Speaker 1: days of shows with you lots of content and likewise
38:42
Speaker 1: thank you appreciate you hopping on and spending some time.
38:44
Speaker 2: With us all right good to be with you yeah
38:46
Speaker 2: yeah all right well
38:46
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon uh greg and travis are
38:50
Speaker 1: coming up next on sports radio 93.3 kjrfm