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#544 Jason Flom with Maggie Freleng on Quincy Cross and Graves County · Wrongful Conviction

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  Speaker 1: Hi.
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  Speaker 2: This is Connor Hall, the producer for Wrongful Conviction, and
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  Speaker 2: we're taking a break from our usual release schedule to
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  Speaker 2: discuss Maggie Feeling's new documentary series called Graves County. It's
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  Speaker 2: out now as season three of Bone Valley. In the
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  Speaker 2: Bone Valley Feed, we'll link it in the episode description.
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  Speaker 2: So we got Jason and Maggie to discuss some of
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  Speaker 2: the things that Maggie discovered over the past few years
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  Speaker 2: while investigating a case that you may have heard about
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  Speaker 2: here a few years ago. This is the murder of
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  Speaker 2: Jessica Current and the wrongful conviction of Quincy Cross, among
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  Speaker 2: several others, and the story takes us to Mayfield, Kentucky
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  Speaker 2: aka Grapes County.
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  Speaker 1: The new season of Bone Valley, which I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 1: say it out loud, is as powerful as the first one.
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  Speaker 1: People said it couldn't be done, but this story is
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  Speaker 1: every bit as crazy, and the podcast itself is I
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  Speaker 1: think as brilliant of a masterpiece of storytelling as the
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  Speaker 1: first one was.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you, Jason.
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  Speaker 4: It was obviously an honor to be on the Bone
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  Speaker 4: Valley Feed with Gilbert, who I admire so much. Bone
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  Speaker 4: Valley one was I remember saying to you. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: or I think I said to Gilbert, you know, I
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  Speaker 4: wish I made that. I was so mad he made it.
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  Speaker 4: I was so jealous he made it. I was like,
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  Speaker 4: that's the best podcast I ever heard. I wish I
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  Speaker 4: made that. So I think I might have made something
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  Speaker 4: equally as good you did.
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  Speaker 1: You did, And somebody was saying to me this morning,
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  Speaker 1: I could just listen to her all day. I mean, you,
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  Speaker 1: your voice is made for this format. And furthermore, you
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  Speaker 1: know the fact that you wrote it and produced it
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  Speaker 1: is you know, kudos to you, and hopefully there's another
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  Speaker 1: Pulitzer coming your way. I'll never forget. I'll never forget
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  Speaker 1: when you called me. By the way, this is off topic,
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  Speaker 1: but for Eovil, Maggie of course knows the story because
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  Speaker 1: she's the one who called me. But we were in
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  Speaker 1: Nashville where Maggie was going to present me with an award.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was the which one was it?
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  Speaker 4: It was it was an impact of it. It was
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  Speaker 4: like it was a music award or something.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So Maggie was kind of fly down and
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  Speaker 1: offered to present me with this award, and the day
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  Speaker 1: of the awards ceremony, which supposed to be that night.
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  Speaker 1: I get a call from Maggie in the afternoon and
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  Speaker 1: she says, I just found out I want to pull Itzir.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, huh, I go how'd you get the news?
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  Speaker 1: She goes, well, I was sitting in the hot top
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  Speaker 1: of my hotel drinking whiskey when I got the call,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, that's perfect, and I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to remember this moment forever. It also was very It
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  Speaker 1: was good because it was just it was just absolutely
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  Speaker 1: appropriately humbling because of the idea that I was going
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  Speaker 1: to go get this cleo. So anyway, it's perfect. And
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  Speaker 1: speaking of awards, there's some breaking news about Keith Lamar,
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  Speaker 1: which is a case that lives rent free in my head,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm sure for anyone who's listened to the Wrongful
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  Speaker 1: Conviction episode on Keith Lamar's case is probably feel the
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  Speaker 1: same way. Keith Lamar is in process of being nominated
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  Speaker 1: for an Alternative Jazz Award for his Spoken Word. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: Keith Lamar's on death row and accomplishing more than almost
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  Speaker 1: anyone I know in the free world with his art,
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  Speaker 1: with his music, with his spirit. Keith, I hope you
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  Speaker 1: get to hear this because we have nothing but love
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  Speaker 1: and respect for you, and we hope to see you
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  Speaker 1: out here sometime soon where you belong. So so, Maggie,
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  Speaker 1: let's talk about Mayfield, Kentucky. You know, you and I
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  Speaker 1: went down there.
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  Speaker 4: Like Cities Sleep two and a half years, like almost
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  Speaker 4: three years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, eyes wide open, and I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: we were ready for what we found.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it reminded me a lot of these small towns.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: I did Murder and Alliance a few years ago in
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  Speaker 4: a small town in Ohio. It was a very similar
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  Speaker 4: small police department, not equipped for a murder in any
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  Speaker 4: sort of way. And in these small towns, like rumors
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  Speaker 4: really become fact. And that was one of the first
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  Speaker 4: things that we really kind of honed in on. We
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  Speaker 4: were like, there's so much gossip, so many things going on,
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  Speaker 4: we don't even know it's real. Right, that was like
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  Speaker 4: our first trip, just trying to gather information, hearing all
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  Speaker 4: of these crazy things about sex trafficking and stuff that
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  Speaker 4: none of that made it into the podcast because we
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  Speaker 4: weren't able to really corroborate some of it, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: we heard so many different things. So from the beginning,
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  Speaker 4: we just had a huge task at our hands of
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  Speaker 4: kind of parsing fact from fiction. And that's what happens
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  Speaker 4: in these small towns. Gossip becomes fact over the years.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, from my perspective, it was such a powerful experience,
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  Speaker 1: and not in the least part because of the fact
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  Speaker 1: that we were with the families of both the person
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  Speaker 1: who was murdered, Jessica Kurrn, who was so viciously brutally
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  Speaker 1: murdered at the young age of eighteen, and the man
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  Speaker 1: who is still in prison after twenty plus years. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just going to say, for having not committed this crime right,
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  Speaker 1: but being charged with it and convicted of it anyway,
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  Speaker 1: And so pretty unusual but not unprecedented to have these
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  Speaker 1: two families united in wanting justice for their kids.
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  Speaker 4: It's so rare that we see the victims family standing
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  Speaker 4: up for the accused. So that just speaks volumes to
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  Speaker 4: the characture of the currents of Jessica's family to be
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  Speaker 4: able to use their own critical thinking skills and see
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  Speaker 4: outside of the prosecution's narrative that something wasn't right.
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  Speaker 1: They're not gullible people, right, And so I think that
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  Speaker 1: consciously or subconsciously, the cops and prosecutors that were involved
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  Speaker 1: in this case expected that this would just go away.
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  Speaker 1: They would make an arrest, the family would be happy,
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  Speaker 1: the headlines would run, everyone would get a pat on
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  Speaker 1: the back, maybe a rais or motion, and everyone would
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  Speaker 1: move on. But they don't understand apparently, who Joe Current
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  Speaker 1: is and what his family is. They're pillars of the community, yes,
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  Speaker 1: and they are extremely devoted parents and they are not
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  Speaker 1: going to be trifled with or pushed aside as the
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  Speaker 1: authorities wanted them to be. They're not docile.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you just hit on something is that Joe
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  Speaker 4: was an important member of this community. He had, you know,
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  Speaker 4: grown up here, he worked at the fire department. You know,
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  Speaker 4: he did everything right. He was the correct kind of
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  Speaker 4: person of color in this segregated town. He grew up
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  Speaker 4: during segregation and was able to overcome a lot of that.
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  Speaker 4: He has a successful business.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 4: You know, those were difficult things at the time. And
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  Speaker 4: you know, when Jessica died, he expected that community that
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  Speaker 4: he gave so much to give back to him and
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  Speaker 4: he didn't get that. And you know, one of the
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  Speaker 4: things we did want to put in and because it
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  Speaker 4: just spoke so much to this community. Was David Cross.
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  Speaker 1: David Cross, of course is Quincy Cross's father.
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  Speaker 4: Both of those dads, they both were pillars in their community.
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  Speaker 4: They both survived segregation. David Cross still has a little
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  Speaker 4: segregated one room schoolhouse in the back of his yard
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  Speaker 4: that he went to school in as a little black boy.
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  Speaker 4: This shack and I said to him, I said, where'd
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  Speaker 4: the white kids go? He said, to the nice school
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  Speaker 4: down the street. So you know, these are men who
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  Speaker 4: have survived and been through so much, and to see
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  Speaker 4: them being a team instead of adversaries, it was so
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  Speaker 4: beautiful and humbling because they fought through the civil rights movement.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, freaking Joe Kern was out there protesting for
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  Speaker 4: civil rights. Like Joe Kern's other son just died. Like
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  Speaker 4: they have been through so much. I don't know how
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  Speaker 4: you get out of bed and keep fighting.
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  Speaker 2: One of the initial suspects in this case was named
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  Speaker 2: Jeremy Adams. He had a child with the victim and
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  Speaker 2: was indicted alongside Carlos or Lolo Saxton, the victim's boyfriend
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  Speaker 2: at the time, but when the case was mishandled, their
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  Speaker 2: indictments were dismissed, at which point a friend of Jeremy's mother,
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  Speaker 2: a woman named Susan Golbreanth, began offering rewards on social media,
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  Speaker 2: which brought her alleged witnesses, and the story that emerged
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  Speaker 2: was a complete break from the narrative of the original indictment.
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  Speaker 2: It involved group sex in which Jessica was allegedly involved
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  Speaker 2: before and after her death. Interestingly, this steered everyone away
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  Speaker 2: from Susan's friend's son Jeremy and eventually grabbed the attention
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  Speaker 2: of a BBC reporter, catapulting Susan's ideas into becoming the
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  Speaker 2: state's narrative.
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  Speaker 4: In this case, the story that is created this crazy
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  Speaker 4: orgy sex, disgusting.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever acroyphilia yes thrown even.
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  Speaker 4: In everywhere, this was not the original story. First of all,
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  Speaker 4: there was no evidence at all, zero that she was
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  Speaker 4: sexually assaulted, so then this story doesn't even come about
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  Speaker 4: until four or five years later when Susan and the
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  Speaker 4: reporter get involved and it's actually the reporter who picks
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  Speaker 4: up on while her underwear wasn't on her, so there
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  Speaker 4: must have been a sexual assault. Q a few years
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  Speaker 4: later to the KBI than and grotesquely asking these women
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  Speaker 4: how much semen quincy cross sprayed all over the room.
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  Speaker 4: There was no semen in the room. Jason, where is
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  Speaker 4: this coming from? That is the most shocking thing to me.
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  Speaker 4: How we got to this insane, disturbing, disgusting story where
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  Speaker 4: you hear KBI officers pressing young women about where semen
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  Speaker 4: was sprayed and there's not an ounce of semen in
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  Speaker 4: this case? How does that happen? So one of the
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  Speaker 4: things we found out when reporting, and it's all public record,
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  Speaker 4: is we had emails between Susan Galbreath, the Citizen investigator
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  Speaker 4: to say it kindly, and a BBC journalist that she
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  Speaker 4: reached out to saying, you know, there's this crazy story
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  Speaker 4: and you should be here reporting this, and we have
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  Speaker 4: their emails that they wrote back and forth.
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  Speaker 3: To each other.
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  Speaker 4: And what we've discovered was that this story that was
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  Speaker 4: put out there by the media, specifically this BBC journalist,
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  Speaker 4: was half truths. We saw in these emails that actually
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  Speaker 4: a lot of the information that was being put out
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  Speaker 4: was actually not true, and the journalist knew beforehand, had
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  Speaker 4: gotten some email saying, look this information of people you
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  Speaker 4: know saying they did this, they've recanted, and instead of
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  Speaker 4: reporting the facts saying, hey, these people said this, but
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  Speaker 4: they have recanted. So it's a little unclear. This story
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  Speaker 4: was driven that these are the people they did this.
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  Speaker 4: They said they did this. There was even a point
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  Speaker 4: where they reported that Quincy Cross was stalking Susan Goalbreath,
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  Speaker 4: only to find out later it was her own husband
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  Speaker 4: stalking her. Yet no correction was ever made.
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  Speaker 1: Right, so this stalker I hadn't even heard about that.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, so Susan was actually going through either a
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  Speaker 4: divorce or had been divorced at the time, and her
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  Speaker 4: husband was like harassing and stalking her, and she was
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  Speaker 4: telling this reporter it was Quincy Cross, so this reporter
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  Speaker 4: was just taking her word for it, and really that's
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  Speaker 4: kind of.
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  Speaker 3: What we found.
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  Speaker 4: There was a lot of taking of Susan's word. And
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  Speaker 4: then her friend who was quote working with her, this
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  Speaker 4: woman named Lacey Gates, was actually then going to the
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  Speaker 4: reporter saying, hey, the thing Susan's telling you don't seem
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  Speaker 4: to actually be accurate and bore out by facts, and
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  Speaker 4: that's when we started realizing there was something more than
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  Speaker 4: just malpractice. There was really an effort to kind of
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  Speaker 4: make Susan look like this, this wonderful helper lady, this
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  Speaker 4: victim of Quincy Cross, and it was a made for
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  Speaker 4: TV story from the beginning. They were hoping for movie
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  Speaker 4: deals with this fantastic story they created. So that's the
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  Speaker 4: kind of trickery that we were dealing with with this
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  Speaker 4: story and this specific journalist and their reporting.
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  Speaker 1: So, Maggie, this is a really full circle kind of
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  Speaker 1: a feeling that I'm having about Bone Valley Graves County
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  Speaker 1: right season three of Bone Valley, because it just occurred
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  Speaker 1: to me that if not for the media attention that
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  Speaker 1: Susan and what became her sort of partner in this
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  Speaker 1: frame job, if not for the fact that they've been
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  Speaker 1: able to get the media on board with the nonsensical
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  Speaker 1: theories that they cooked up for a variety of reasons
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  Speaker 1: and motives, they could have never gotten this conviction in
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  Speaker 1: the first place.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So now, what I'm hoping is that the full circle
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  Speaker 1: of it all is that Graves County Podcast will actually
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  Speaker 1: be like the counterweight right and fix it.
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  Speaker 4: It is really meta to have another journalist come in
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  Speaker 4: and try and fix this and make it right. And
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  Speaker 4: that just speaks so much to the importance of journalism ethics.
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  Speaker 4: When you find out something before you report a piece
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  Speaker 4: that really shatters the entire narrative you're going to report,
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  Speaker 4: you need to say that otherwise it's dishonest.
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  Speaker 3: And that's what we got in this story, Maggie.
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  Speaker 1: This case is unique for a number of reasons. One
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  Speaker 1: is that most wrongful conviction cases involve one person being
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  Speaker 1: wrongfully convicted. This ain't that right. This involves a slew
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  Speaker 1: of wrongfully charged and or convicted people. Can you explain
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  Speaker 1: what I mean by.
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  Speaker 4: That Nine people were charged for one murder and there
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  Speaker 4: were countless stories that these people were charged under. You know,
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  Speaker 4: we go into the podcast how the prosecution story had
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  Speaker 4: to change because the original story that they thought of, well,
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  Speaker 4: Quincy was in jail, so he couldn't have been burning
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  Speaker 4: a body. So then they have to now involve another
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  Speaker 4: person who could have burned and moved this body. So
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  Speaker 4: they find Isaac Benjamin. This kid was charged and convicted
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  Speaker 4: for moving Jessica's body. We don't even freaking know who
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  Speaker 4: this is, how he relates to anybody? We don't mention
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  Speaker 4: him by name in the podcast, But Isaac Benjamin is
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  Speaker 4: another one who was charged and convicted. There were two
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  Speaker 4: other people who were charged. Austin Leach, he was actually
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  Speaker 4: acquitted in this Austin Leach is charged. It's his car,
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  Speaker 4: they're saying did this. He's acquitted. But where is Austin
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  Speaker 4: Leach's car in this trial? Where's Austin Leach's name? Where
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  Speaker 4: aren't we talking about this man that helped move this body? Right?
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  Speaker 4: Why aren't we talking about Isaac Benjamin who allegedly helped
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  Speaker 4: burn and move this body?
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  Speaker 1: You know?
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  Speaker 4: And what happened to Jeremy and Lolo the first two
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  Speaker 4: people who were charged under a completely different story. Like,
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  Speaker 4: I am at a loss for words sometimes when I
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  Speaker 4: think of if anyone and this is probably why Joe
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  Speaker 4: kurran knew something was wrong. How are each of these
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  Speaker 4: people being charged under this one's story when at Quincy's
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  Speaker 4: trial their names don't even come up as accomplices. It
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  Speaker 4: just makes no sense. And the scariest thing to me
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  Speaker 4: is that this prosecutor has been in office since nineteen
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  Speaker 4: eighty two, Jason nineteen eighty two. This woman Barbara mains Wayy.
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  Speaker 4: We have identified at least five people we believe are
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  Speaker 4: wrongfully convicted under Barbara Mainz Whaley.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that five wrongful convictions include the ones from
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  Speaker 1: this case.
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  Speaker 4: That is, the ones from this case. That's the ones
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  Speaker 4: I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know which.
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  Speaker 4: Are there any others? I'm sure there are.
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  Speaker 1: We I mean, these things tend to be in clusters.
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  Speaker 1: We know that, right, because it becomes a pattern. Right
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  Speaker 1: when people do this and they find that it's good
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  Speaker 1: for them in their career or whatever their ambitions are,
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  Speaker 1: they do it again because there don't seem to be
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  Speaker 1: any repercussible There aren't any repercussions for them, right. The
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  Speaker 1: prosecutors have absolute immunity. Police have qualified immunity. And what
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  Speaker 1: that means in practical terms is they basically, what it
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  Speaker 1: means in simplest terms is they never get in trouble
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  Speaker 1: for doing this stuff. Almost never. This one stinks from
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  Speaker 1: the top.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it is. You just said.
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  Speaker 4: It's the top down and these people, these humans are
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  Speaker 4: dealing with this consequence of the corruptibility of power.
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  Speaker 1: You know, the beauty of this podcast. Advocacy is a
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  Speaker 1: term that maybe I coined it, I don't know, but
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to use it. That we do is that
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  Speaker 1: sometimes it actually causes people to straighten up and fly right,
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  Speaker 1: and we're hoping against hope, and it's important. If you've
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  Speaker 1: already listened to Bone Valley Braves County, then you know,
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  Speaker 1: get involved, talk about it, put it on your social media,
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  Speaker 1: send a letter somewhere, send an email.
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  Speaker 4: The governor to Kentucky Governor. I mean, you could send
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  Speaker 4: it to the AG's office, but who knows what that's.
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  Speaker 3: Going to do.
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  Speaker 1: Barbara mains Waley is the Assistant Attorney General and she's
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  Speaker 1: been in that position for decades and decades. I can't
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  Speaker 1: imagine that she's going to go back and reinvestigate her
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  Speaker 1: own case. But the governor, that's probably the way to go.
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  Speaker 1: That's what i'd recommend people right to the governor. We're
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  Speaker 1: going to put a linked in the episode description for
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  Speaker 1: where you can write and be respectful. It doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: sense to curse anybody out or do anything like that.
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  Speaker 1: You may want to time you finished listening to the
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  Speaker 1: sixth episode, but the fact is the best thing to
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  Speaker 1: do is be respectful and just make it known that
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  Speaker 1: you're upset about this. You're outraged. So Maggie, any closing
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  Speaker 1: thoughts before we wrap up this very special, unique episode
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  Speaker 1: of Wrongful Conviction.
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  Speaker 4: I think our listeners will surely understand.
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  Speaker 3: You know that this is not unique.
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  Speaker 4: What happened to Quincy Cross and all the others is
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  Speaker 4: not unique. This happens all the time. But I would
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  Speaker 4: love to say, please share it. I mean, it's a
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  Speaker 4: digestible story. It's an interesting story, it's a mystery. There's
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  Speaker 4: twists and turns.
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  Speaker 3: But the person you.
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