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Legally Brunette Presents: ‘Til Death Do Us Part - Money, Manipulation, & Murder · Legally Brunette

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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Welcome to an episode of Till Death Do
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Speaker 1: Us Part. I'll be your host today, Emily Simpson and
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Speaker 1: Shane all right, we are getting into a case that
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Speaker 1: is it's very interesting to me. It's the Celeste and
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Speaker 1: Stephen Beard case. Have you ever heard about this?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into it.
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Speaker 2: Stephen Beard, Stephen Beard.
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Speaker 1: All right. In the quiet affluence of Austin, Texas, Stephen Beard,
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Speaker 1: a retired television executive of considerable wealth, seemed to have everything.
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Speaker 1: A sprawling lakeside estate, a devoted younger wife named Celeste,
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Speaker 1: a comfortable life for the two of them. But something
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Speaker 1: dark had already taken root beneath the surface. In October
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Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety nine, Stephen was shot at close range
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Speaker 1: while he slept, a wound that, against all odds, he
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Speaker 1: survived for months. He lingered, his body failing, his trust unshaken,
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Speaker 1: and then quietly he was gone. What followed was a
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Speaker 1: long unraveling of seats, money, of a marriage that was
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Speaker 1: never quite what it appeared to be. The closer investigators
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Speaker 1: looked at Celeste, the more the picture of a grieving
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Speaker 1: widow began to crack. All right, so let's talk about
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Speaker 1: Let's go through a little bit of a timeline. So
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Speaker 1: before Celeste, Stephen Beard built a successful career in broadcasting
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Speaker 1: and eventually became a co owner of an Austin area
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Speaker 1: television station. He was a very self made man.
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Speaker 2: Sounds like it.
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Speaker 1: He bought a like a little news station. But I
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Speaker 1: believe he sold it for ten million. I think that's
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Speaker 1: what it was.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so he did well.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Steven had been married to his first wife for
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Speaker 1: more than four decades and then in October of nineteen
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Speaker 1: ninety three, she died. I believe she had cancer. So
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Speaker 1: he had been married to the same woman. He has
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Speaker 1: children with her. She dies of cancer. He has all
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Speaker 1: this money, all.
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Speaker 2: Right, and that's not suspicious. No, there was no suspicion.
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Speaker 2: The death we're talking about.
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Speaker 1: Stephen was approximately sixty nine years old at the time.
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Speaker 1: Is when his wife died.
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Speaker 2: His first wife, his first wife.
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Speaker 1: Right in nineteen ninety three, Stephen meets Celeste. So Stephen
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Speaker 1: has all this money, he's retired, he's hanging out at
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Speaker 1: the country club, and he meets Celeste Johnson while she
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Speaker 1: was working as a waitress at the Austin country club
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Speaker 1: where he was a member. Celeste was approximately thirty years
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Speaker 1: old and had already been married three times before that.
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Speaker 1: So thirty, already married three times. He's seventy, So you're
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Speaker 1: talking about a forty year fall.
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Speaker 2: I can image. I got an image, all right.
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Speaker 1: Celeste also had twin daughters named Jennifer and Christina from
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Speaker 1: an earlier marriage.
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Speaker 2: So is this her This going to be her third
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Speaker 2: marriage or her fourth?
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Speaker 1: The fourth? She had already been married three times before.
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Speaker 2: She's just had bad luck. Yeah, that's one works out,
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Speaker 2: let's continue.
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Speaker 1: Stephen and Celeste began a relationship soon after the death
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Speaker 1: of his wife.
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Speaker 2: All Right, this lady got a job at the country
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Speaker 2: club on purpose.
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Speaker 1: Of course she did. You don't think she was targeting I.
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Speaker 2: Do think so.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't think she was targeting his table.
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Speaker 2: Probably really, she probably looked at the list of members
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Speaker 2: who's single and who's.
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Speaker 1: Worth a lot of money.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Nineteen ninety four is when their relationship becomes serious. So
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Speaker 1: Celeste divorced her third husband, Jimmy Martinez in April of
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four. She and Stephen continued their relationship and
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Speaker 1: eventually began building a life together. Stephen later helped reunite
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Speaker 1: Celeste with both of her daughters, who eventually came and
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Speaker 1: lived with a couple. Okay, this is important. Celeste has
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Speaker 1: two daughters, twin daughters. They were in foster care for
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Speaker 1: most of their life. It wasn't until she married.
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Speaker 2: This was what kept her from being a parent.
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Speaker 1: I think, well, we're going to get into her personality,
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Speaker 1: but I think she's just a horrible, horrible mother and human.
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Speaker 1: And so her daughters had spent most of the majority
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Speaker 1: of their childhood in foster care. It wasn't until she
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Speaker 1: married Stephen. He had a big home.
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Speaker 2: Stability came into play and it probably helped get her
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Speaker 2: children back. Well. Good for him.
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Speaker 1: Oh and he adopted them too. He seems like to
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Speaker 1: me from my takeaway is that this guy was married
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Speaker 1: to his first wife for forty years. She died of cancer.
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Speaker 1: He met Celeste, he married her, He brings her daughters
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Speaker 1: to come and live with them.
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Speaker 2: He's doing the right thing, and then he adopts them.
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Speaker 2: He's been a good fellow.
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Speaker 1: In February of nineteen ninety five, Celeste and Stephen Mary
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Speaker 1: Stephen was seventy at the time, Celeste was thirty two.
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Speaker 1: Stephen and Celeste had signed a marital agreement that limited
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Speaker 1: what Celeste would receive if they divorced. Less than a
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Speaker 1: year into the marriage, Stephen filed for divorce, but he
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Speaker 1: later withdrew the petition and the couple remained together. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So from what my understanding is on what I watched
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Speaker 1: a lot of things on this particular case, I believe
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Speaker 1: he gave her. He gifted her five hundred thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: when they were married. He also gave her an allowance
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Speaker 1: of thirty thousand dollars a month.
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Speaker 2: This was beyond wealthy.
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Speaker 1: No, he was wealthy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, but why would you give money to your
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Speaker 2: spouse as a gift like that and then also monthly?
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Speaker 2: So there must have been some budget that she was on,
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Speaker 2: Like she didn't just they didn't just put all their
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Speaker 2: money together.
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Speaker 1: I don't think she could access maybe all of his money.
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Speaker 1: I think he gave her. The five hundred thousand is
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Speaker 1: like a gift, like here's here's money for you, and
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Speaker 1: then the thirty thousand is what she was supposed to
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Speaker 1: be right.
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Speaker 2: But I mean, like, so that was it. So he
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Speaker 2: controlled the finances, even though it was a lot of money,
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Speaker 2: he controlled it.
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Speaker 1: However, from my understanding. She ran out of that five
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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars within six months.
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Speaker 2: Don't want well, she.
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Speaker 1: Claims, because I saw an interview.
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Speaker 2: I read it.
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Speaker 1: I saw an interview with her, like recently, like a recent,
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Speaker 1: pretty recent interview, because she's in prison still.
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Speaker 2: So it was recent.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was recent. And she claims that she
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Speaker 1: was spending money on the house. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and
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Speaker 1: that's why she was buying art.
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Speaker 2: She had no content up to of money. She didn't
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Speaker 2: know how much it was, and she blew it all.
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Speaker 2: She probably thought it would last forever. She blew it all.
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Speaker 2: It thinks I get thirty thousand a month. He gave
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Speaker 2: her too much money.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. In the late nineteen nineties, Steven adopted Celeste's daughters,
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Speaker 1: so Stephen eventually adopted Jennifer and Christina after their biological
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Speaker 1: father's death. The family lived in an expensive home Stephen
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Speaker 1: had commissioned in west Lake Hills outside of Austin, and
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Speaker 1: Steven's wealth allowed the family a very affluent lifestyle. Testimony
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Speaker 1: later indicates that there was a continuing conflict over celeste spending.
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Speaker 1: By early nineteen ninety nine, Celeste meets Tracy Tarlton, so
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Speaker 1: Celeste entered Saint David's Pavilion, which was a psychiatric hospital
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Speaker 1: while being treated for depression. This was really an expensive
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Speaker 1: psychiatric hospital that she goes to to spend time at.
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Speaker 1: I believe it was like twelve hundred dollars a day
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Speaker 1: or one thousand dollars a day or something like that.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if she was on her allowance.
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Speaker 2: She was almost afforded under allowance.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm sure he footed the bill for it
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Speaker 1: because I think he was trying to do everything possible
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Speaker 1: to like keep the marriage intact. I think she was
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Speaker 1: out partying. She was spending his money. She was drinking
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Speaker 1: and you know, partying with I believe, like her teenage
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Speaker 1: daughters and their friends and stuff. Yeah, there's like testimony
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Speaker 1: that I saw, like in a documentary where like her
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Speaker 1: daughter's friends were testifying that like she was like partying
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Speaker 1: with them and drinking all the time, and she was
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Speaker 1: fun in the life of the party, while Stephen was
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Speaker 1: never invited to any of these parties and he's at
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Speaker 1: home in bed, so all right. While receiving treatment, a
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Speaker 1: Celeste meets Tracy Tarlton, who is another patient who was
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Speaker 1: being treated for bipolar disorder. The women remained close after
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Speaker 1: leaving treatment and spent considerable time together during the summer
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Speaker 1: and fall of nineteen ninety nine. Their relationship becomes a
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Speaker 1: major issue in this case. Tracy later testified that she
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Speaker 1: was in love with Celeste and believed Celeste loved her
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Speaker 1: in return. Even you know, Celeste's daughters testified to the
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Speaker 1: fact that they they they knew their mom was in
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Speaker 1: a lesbian relationship, like it was more than like just
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Speaker 1: a friendship, like they were, you know, lovers after meeting
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Speaker 1: in the psychiatric ward. Celeste defense disputed this characterization.
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Speaker 2: Can tell people where you met and they're such a
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Speaker 2: lovely couple.
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Speaker 1: How did you two meet in a psychiatric hospital?
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Speaker 2: That's right? Is that where you work? Oh? No, we
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Speaker 2: were admitted a yeah, yes.
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Speaker 1: Celeste defense disputed this characterization, portraying Tracy as obsessed with
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Speaker 1: Celeste and arguing that Celeste did not reciprocate her romantic feelings.
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Speaker 1: According to Tracy, Celeste would always complain about Steven, so
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Speaker 1: Tracy later testified that Celeste described her marriage as unhappy
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Speaker 1: and said that she felt trapped. According to Tracy, Celeste
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Speaker 1: portrayed Stephen as emotionally abusive and suggested that she could
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Speaker 1: not just simply leave him. Tracy claimed that the women
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Speaker 1: discussed having a future together, but these claims would eventually
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Speaker 1: become central to prosecutor's argument that Celeste manipulated Tracy into
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Speaker 1: removing Stephen from her life. Celeste denied asking Tracy to
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Speaker 1: harm or to kill Stephen. All right, let's get to
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Speaker 1: the fateful night.
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Speaker 2: Yes, let's do it.
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Speaker 1: This is October two of nineteen ninety nine. This is
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Speaker 1: the night that Stephen Beard is shot. So at approximately
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Speaker 1: three am, Stephen was asleep in his bedroom this is
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Speaker 1: a primary bedroom, and just wanted to note that Celeste
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Speaker 1: was not sleeping in the bedroom with him and when
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Speaker 1: someone entered the home. Someone entered the home and shot
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Speaker 1: him in the abdomen with a shotgun. First of all,
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Speaker 1: I don't know why she shot him in the abdomen,
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Speaker 1: other than maybe she just couldn't see.
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Speaker 2: She did it. He just said, someone broken at home.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was Tracy Tarlton. The friend, yes, okay, a lover, yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: not so less less was actually sleeping with her daughter
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Speaker 1: in another room. The blast woke up Stephen, who was
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Speaker 1: severely injured, but he was conscious. He called nine to
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Speaker 1: one one himself and summoned emergency help. I actually listened
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Speaker 1: to the nine one one call, and the nine one
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Speaker 1: one call is interesting to me because I don't think
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Speaker 1: he knows that he was shot.
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Speaker 2: He just thinks he woke up with some spear.
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Speaker 1: He keeps saying on the nine one one call that
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Speaker 1: his guts are coming out of his stomach, that they
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Speaker 1: like exploded out of his stomach. I don't think he
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Speaker 1: realizes that someone entered the house and shot him. I
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Speaker 1: think he was awakened in severe pain and he sees
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Speaker 1: that like his insides are like kind of coming out
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Speaker 1: of his stomach, and he thinks, like something.
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Speaker 2: So she shot him and then left. Yeah, so she
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Speaker 2: shot you said he didn't why she shot him in
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Speaker 2: the stomach. She probably not much of a killer, Like
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Speaker 2: she didn't use guns as she tried to thought like, oh,
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Speaker 2: I just shoot him in the chest or stomach and
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Speaker 2: then he'll die, when clearly that's not always the case.
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Speaker 2: But does that mean she actually Celeste was a sleep
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Speaker 2: Yeah when she came when Tracy came in.
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Speaker 1: Well, she claims she was asleep. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: she was or not, but she claims she was asleep
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Speaker 1: with her daughter in another bedroom, and that there was
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Speaker 1: and that the walls were sound proof because this is
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Speaker 1: a big, expensive home, and that she claimed that she
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Speaker 1: didn't even hear the shotgun black.
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Speaker 2: I just wonder if not her her version of events,
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Speaker 2: but what actually took place, Like did she really go
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Speaker 2: to sleep and think, okay, tonight's the night and then
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Speaker 2: she went to bed or was she awake or did
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Speaker 2: she help.
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Speaker 1: Or well that's what we're gonna get, Okay. So first
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Speaker 1: responders initially struggled to determine exactly what had caused Stephen's
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Speaker 1: catastrophic abdominal injury. So even when first responders come onto
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Speaker 1: the scene, they can't even tell that he's been shots. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: they don't realize that he's been shot until they find
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Speaker 1: a shotgun casing on the floor on the floor. And
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Speaker 1: actually when first responders arrived, they tried to come into
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Speaker 1: the house and the door is locked, so they actually
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Speaker 1: bust through the window. They can see him inside. I
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Speaker 1: believe there's an entrance in directly into the primary bedroom
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Speaker 1: where he's been shot, and they break the glass and
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Speaker 1: come in, and they can't even tell that he's been
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Speaker 1: shot until they later find a shotgun casing on the ground.
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Speaker 1: Investigators eventually locate evidence of a shotgun blast inside the bedroom,
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Speaker 1: and Steven is rushed to the hospital and he survives.
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Speaker 1: He ends up surviving for like four months after this Wow.
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Speaker 1: After the shooting, questions arise about a possible robbery, so
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Speaker 1: investigators observed indications that portions of the house appeared to
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Speaker 1: have been disturbed. However, valuable items had apparently been left behind.
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Speaker 1: This is the same thing we talked about all the time.
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Speaker 2: You get something while you're at it, get it and leave.
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Speaker 1: This raised doubts that Stephen had simply been the victim
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Speaker 1: of a burglary or robbery. Investigators began speaking with people
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Speaker 1: who knew the Beard family and looking for people who
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Speaker 1: might have had a reason to harm Stephen. On October
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Speaker 1: eighth of nineteen ninety nine, investigators learned that Tracy Tarlton
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Speaker 1: owned a shotgun, and police connected her weapon to the shooting.
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Speaker 2: She dropped, Oh no, she dropped. There was a casing,
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Speaker 2: not a shotgun.
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Speaker 1: A casing, A shotgun casing. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But then investigating, they learned that Tracy owns a shotgun.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I assume, I mean, they didn't go into a
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Speaker 1: lot of detail on what I watched, but I assume
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Speaker 1: when they're questioning people that obviously this relationship between Celeste
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Speaker 1: and Tracy comes up.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and they probably they probably learn it's it's heated.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, great, And I and I believe that that Stephen
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Speaker 1: also was aware of the relationship and was trying to
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Speaker 1: get Tracy out of the picture. And so I'm sure.
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Speaker 2: He's trying to get his wife to leave her lesbian
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Speaker 2: lover to come back to him, right.
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Speaker 1: So Tracy was arrested on October eighth, This is just
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Speaker 1: six days after Steven was shot. Because Stephen remained alive,
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Speaker 1: Tracy was initially charged with injury to an elderly individual
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Speaker 1: rather than murder. I don't know why she was in
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Speaker 1: charged with attempted murder.
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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know the charge of stomach
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Speaker 2: his stomach ar that like.
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Speaker 1: She wasn't trying to kill him, she was just trying to.
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Speaker 2: Just wound him severely with possible death.
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Speaker 1: So we go to October of nineteen ninety nine to
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Speaker 1: January of two thousand. This is when Stephen is recovering.
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Speaker 1: Steven spent weeks and intensive care following the shooting as
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Speaker 1: his condition improved. He was transferred first to a regular
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Speaker 1: hospital room and later to a rehabilitation facility. Celess remained
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Speaker 1: involved in his care. Steven survived for more than three
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Speaker 1: months after being shot.
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Speaker 2: I think the most care she ever gave him, it
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Speaker 2: probably is.
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Speaker 1: It's probably the most attention that she ever paid to him,
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Speaker 1: or the most time she ever spent with him is
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Speaker 1: during was.
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Speaker 2: Waiting to pull the plug or something, and she never
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Speaker 2: left alone enough to do it.
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Speaker 1: On January eighteenth of two thousand, do you know what day?
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Speaker 1: January eighteenth is?
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Speaker 2: No? This day, I try to It's my birthday. Yes,
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Speaker 2: it's your birthday.
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Speaker 1: On January eighteenth of two thousand, Stephen returns home. So
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Speaker 1: Stephen was discharged from rehabilitation and returned home with Celeste.
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Speaker 1: His return home appeared to mark a major step in
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Speaker 1: his recovery. The following day, Celeste contacted Stephen's doctor and
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Speaker 1: requested that he'd be readmitted because of concerns about his condition.
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Speaker 1: Stephen was examined and returned to the hospital. She's probably like,
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Speaker 1: I don't want to take.
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Speaker 2: Care of this guy. This is really impeding my life.
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Speaker 2: It's affecting my relationship with my mistress.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to take care of this man.
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Speaker 2: I only have thirty thousand dollars a month. What do
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Speaker 2: they expect of me?
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Speaker 1: Stephen's health deteriorated rapidly while he was hospitalized, and he
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Speaker 1: developed worsening chest pain, fever, low blood pressure, and signs
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Speaker 1: of a serious infection. Stephen died on January twenty second.
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Speaker 1: The medical examine determined that Stephen suffered pulmonary and bully
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Speaker 1: along with bronchio, pneumonia, and sepsis, and classified his death
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Speaker 1: as a complication of the shotgun wound. You know, as
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Speaker 1: I was talking, as I was thinking about this, that's
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Speaker 1: interesting because he died four months later. So in order
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Speaker 1: for it to be murder year, you would have to
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Speaker 1: prove that his death was a direct consequence of being
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Speaker 1: shot and not some separate illness. I mean, because the
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Speaker 1: man's in the seventies.
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Speaker 2: So which could could happen. I mean he could, But
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Speaker 2: then what if he dies of an infection, then they
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Speaker 2: could tie it and be like, well, infection was the
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Speaker 2: result of the surgery, which result of this, and then
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Speaker 2: and you connect all the dots. But I know, I
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Speaker 2: just remember it has to be within a year or two.
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Speaker 2: So if they die after generally speaking, depends on the jurisdiction.
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Speaker 2: But if they die after a calendar year or.
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Speaker 1: Twelve twelve months, and there has to be a causal connection, yeah, right, correct.
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Speaker 1: After Stephen's death, the case becomes a murder investigation. Because
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Speaker 1: Stephen had died, the criminal case against Tracy became significantly
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Speaker 1: more serious. I mean, I guess it wasn't serious before.
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Speaker 1: You're allowed to sneak into someone's house in the middle
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Speaker 1: of the night and shoot them in the stomach with
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Speaker 1: a shotgun, and that's just injury to an elderly No
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Speaker 1: big deal. We're not going to investigate or really think
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Speaker 1: much about it.
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Speaker 2: Hard times in a relationship, there's trying to pursue a relationship.
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Speaker 1: But now that he's died, now the investigation is going
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Speaker 1: to get serious.
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Speaker 2: Shotgun wing to the abdomen. Tough, you know, walk it off.
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Speaker 1: Her charge was eventually increased to capital murder. For more
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Speaker 1: than a year after her arrest, Tracy did not implicate
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Speaker 1: Celeste in the shooting, all right. Then in two thousand,
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Speaker 1: celest remarries, So now she's on This would be marriage
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Speaker 1: number five at this point.
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Speaker 2: If you're counting, If you're counting and keeping track.
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Speaker 1: This would be her fifth marriage.
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Speaker 2: Also that now that's a red It's a red flag
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Speaker 2: when someone's been married three times. It's a red flag
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Speaker 2: when someone's married four times and their fourth husband was murdered. Yes, yeah,
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Speaker 2: you really want to be fifth times? A charm?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you know, we talk about this all the time.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's the woman from Ohio that's going to
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Speaker 1: marry Chris Watts who murdered his wife and his children.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's a there's a nutter butter out there
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Speaker 1: for everybody. Approximately six months after Steven's death, Celeste married
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Speaker 1: another man and became known as Celeste Beard Johnson. She's
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Speaker 1: her name, well, yeah, that was his name, right, Beard
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Speaker 1: is his name?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she kept her her fourth marriage name.
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Speaker 1: Yeah all right, Well because she probably is hoping that
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Speaker 1: she inherits his estate. She doesn't want anybody to get
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Speaker 1: her mixed up with anyone else, so she's got to
18:35
Speaker 1: keep Beard in there. Tracy later said that she learned
18:39
Speaker 1: of the marriage while she was jailed awaiting trial. Of course,
18:42
Speaker 1: this is when Tracy's gonna start talking, right. She's in
18:44
Speaker 1: jail for shooting Celeste's husband, and Celeste is out there
18:49
Speaker 1: running around and now she just got remarried. Right. According
18:53
Speaker 1: to Tercy, Celestia remarriage made her believe that the future
18:55
Speaker 1: Celeste had supposedly promised her had never been genuine, and
18:59
Speaker 1: Tracy eventually decides to cooperate with prosecutors.
19:02
Speaker 2: Sure.
19:04
Speaker 1: Also in two thousand, Stephen's children, because you know, he
19:08
Speaker 1: had children with his first wife, they take legal actions.
19:12
Speaker 1: Stephen's children pursued civil action concerning his estate and alleged
19:16
Speaker 1: that Celeste was responsible for his death. They sought to
19:19
Speaker 1: prevent her from dissipating assets belonging to his estate. Celeste
19:24
Speaker 1: gave a videotape deposition in the civil preceding in August
19:27
Speaker 1: of two thousand.
19:30
Speaker 2: Good for his kids, though, I mean, yeah, well, let's
19:34
Speaker 2: be honest, even if he died of natural causes, they
19:36
Speaker 2: probably would have challenged it anyway.
19:39
Speaker 1: Well, I would assume that he has something in a
19:41
Speaker 1: will laid out to what she would inherit anyway, because.
19:44
Speaker 2: He stually has an anti murder clause.
19:47
Speaker 1: In March of two thousand and two, Tracy makes a
19:49
Speaker 1: deal with prosecutors, so shortly before Tracy's own trial, she
19:53
Speaker 1: agrees to cooperate with the state Tracy pleads guilty to
19:56
Speaker 1: murder rather than proceeding to trial. In exchange for her
20:00
Speaker 1: cooperation and testimony against Celeste, she received a twenty year
20:05
Speaker 1: prison sentence.
20:07
Speaker 2: So it's funny that they like, if you cooperate, you'll
20:10
Speaker 2: only get twenty years, you know.
20:11
Speaker 1: Because whenever you hear police and you know, whenever they're
20:15
Speaker 1: interviewed and they talk about a case where there's some
20:17
Speaker 1: mastermind behind it, that's who they really want, you know
20:20
Speaker 1: what I mean, they don't want the It's even like
20:24
Speaker 1: a Pamela Smart. Pamela Smart never pulled a trigger, and
20:27
Speaker 1: she's in prison for life, and the kids that actually
20:29
Speaker 1: murdered her husband have all been in the.
20:32
Speaker 2: Least at this point, you're correct. And in this case,
20:34
Speaker 2: it's like, well, we can nab them both, or we
20:37
Speaker 2: can nab neither or just one. So here, let's get
20:40
Speaker 2: them both in jail.
20:41
Speaker 1: Right, So let's give her a plea deal and let
20:43
Speaker 1: her go to prison for twenty years. But let's get
20:48
Speaker 1: the bigger fish, who.
20:49
Speaker 2: Was the free right happily married.
20:54
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know about happily. I mean, this is
20:55
Speaker 1: the fifth one, all right, So let's talk about Tracy's
20:59
Speaker 1: version of what actually happened. So Tracy told prosecutors that
21:03
Speaker 1: Celeste had encouraged her to kill Stephen. She testified that
21:07
Speaker 1: Celeste repeatedly portrayed Stephen as abusive and made Tracy believe
21:11
Speaker 1: that she was trapped in an abusive marriage. According to Tracy,
21:16
Speaker 1: she came to believe that Stephen's death was the only
21:18
Speaker 1: way to protect Celeste and allow the two women to
21:21
Speaker 1: be together. Also, Celeste, I'm sure is I mean, she
21:26
Speaker 1: has to have the wherewithal to realize that she's manipulating
21:29
Speaker 1: someone who has bipolar who was in the psychiatric ward
21:33
Speaker 1: with her at this psychiatric you know hospital.
21:36
Speaker 2: Yeahcause one thing even say, like people recovering addicts shouldn't
21:39
Speaker 2: date recovering addicts, right, what about like if you've been
21:42
Speaker 2: in a psych ward, maybe you shouldn't be dating other
21:44
Speaker 2: people in a psych.
21:45
Speaker 1: Board, right, So Tracy admitted that she personally entered Steven's
21:49
Speaker 1: bedroom and fired the shotgun. Celeste consistently denied soliciting the
21:54
Speaker 1: shooting and argued that Tracy acted entirely on her own.
21:58
Speaker 1: It reminds me of Pamel of smart because all smart
22:00
Speaker 1: man own Yeah. Well, she maintained her in a sense
22:04
Speaker 1: all throughout she said it was just like you know,
22:06
Speaker 1: the billy, the guy that she was like having the
22:08
Speaker 1: affair with the student, that he just acted on his
22:10
Speaker 1: own right, even he just you know, just shot her
22:14
Speaker 1: husband to get the husband out of the way so
22:16
Speaker 1: that he could be with Pamela. So it's the same
22:18
Speaker 1: argument here where Celeste is like, I didn't have anything
22:21
Speaker 1: to do with this. She's in love with me, she
22:23
Speaker 1: wants to be with me, so she acted on her
22:25
Speaker 1: own right. So then on March twenty eighth of two
22:36
Speaker 1: thousand and two, Celeste is arrested after Tracy implicates her
22:40
Speaker 1: authorities arrest Celeste. Prosecutors ultimately accused Celestia being criminally responsible
22:45
Speaker 1: for Stevens murder, even though she had not fired the
22:48
Speaker 1: gun herself. The state relied on the Texas Law of Parties,
22:52
Speaker 1: arguing that Celeste solicited, encouraged, or aided Tracy and committing
22:56
Speaker 1: the killing. The prosecution's theory is that it came to
23:00
Speaker 1: on to money and freedom, like that's the motive, right,
23:03
Speaker 1: That's what they're They're going to argue that Celeste had
23:05
Speaker 1: a financial motive to see Stephen dead. Under Steven's estate plans,
23:10
Speaker 1: Celeste stood to benefit from property and assets worth several
23:13
Speaker 1: million dollars. Prosecutors noted that Celeste had already received and
23:17
Speaker 1: spent the money she would have been entitled to under
23:19
Speaker 1: the couple's marital agreement if they divorced.
23:22
Speaker 2: You know, she she had a good thing going.
23:25
Speaker 1: Yeah, she should have just said she get it.
23:27
Speaker 2: She married him, probably for financial security and all this stuff.
23:30
Speaker 2: She probably wasn't really an maybe they you know whatever,
23:33
Speaker 2: But like he gave her a freaking hefty allowance, gave
23:37
Speaker 2: her a bunch of money up front, he got her kids. Yeah,
23:40
Speaker 2: he's gonna take care of her, yeah, and support her,
23:42
Speaker 2: even let her sleep in a different bedroom, like and
23:45
Speaker 2: date women. Like what else does she want?
23:48
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was thinking the same thing. I
23:50
Speaker 1: was like, why not just be nice to this man?
23:51
Speaker 1: He's in his set.
23:52
Speaker 2: Under these standards, everybody wanted to be killing their spouses, Like,
23:55
Speaker 2: just you.
23:56
Speaker 1: Know, take care of him, be nice to He probably
23:58
Speaker 1: goes about it, oh, I know. The daughters also alleged that,
24:02
Speaker 1: like she was putting sleeping pills in his food every
24:05
Speaker 1: time she fed him so that he would pass out,
24:07
Speaker 1: or I'm putting sleeping pills in his cocktails so that
24:10
Speaker 1: he would you know, pass out early, so she wouldn't
24:11
Speaker 1: have to like sleep with them or you know, spend
24:13
Speaker 1: any time with them. So the guy was getting conked
24:16
Speaker 1: out at like eight pm anyway, So I.
24:19
Speaker 2: Noticed I get tired after you make dinner.
24:20
Speaker 1: Oh you do well. I should have brought that up. Yes,
24:25
Speaker 1: The state argued that Steven's death would secure her access
24:28
Speaker 1: to substantially more of his wealth, and that prosecutor. Prosecutors
24:32
Speaker 1: also presented evidence of Celeste and Tracy's relationship as another
24:36
Speaker 1: possible motive. I don't think to me, her being with
24:39
Speaker 1: Tracy wasn't a motive. I don't think she wanted to
24:41
Speaker 1: like run off into the sunset she I think she
24:46
Speaker 1: was just manipulating her. She said whatever she needed to say.
24:50
Speaker 1: I mean, they probably did have some type of relationship.
24:53
Speaker 1: Maybe she was interested in her at some point, but
24:56
Speaker 1: her real interest was using her to get rid of
24:58
Speaker 1: her husband, or.
25:01
Speaker 2: And their fifth husband, her fourth husband, no fifth, he's
25:04
Speaker 2: her fourth I know, but now she's interested in the
25:06
Speaker 2: fifth husband. Does guy sleep with one eye open?
25:10
Speaker 1: The next guy? I don't know.
25:12
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about him. He's just like lock
25:15
Speaker 2: all the doors lovers out.
25:17
Speaker 1: Now, if he's falling asleep super early at night, he
25:20
Speaker 1: should wonder about what's being in his cocktail or in
25:23
Speaker 1: his dinner. So Jennifer and Christina, who are celeste daughters,
25:27
Speaker 1: turn against her and testify for the prosecution of her
25:30
Speaker 1: mother's trial. They describe Celeste's relationship with Steven as troubled,
25:34
Speaker 1: and testified about statements and behavior they believe showed that
25:38
Speaker 1: their mother had hostility towards him. The daughters had secretly
25:42
Speaker 1: recorded conversations with their mother, and some of the recordings
25:45
Speaker 1: were presented to jurors. Their testimony became some of the
25:49
Speaker 1: most damaging evidence against Celeste.
25:51
Speaker 2: Do we know what those recorded conversations?
25:53
Speaker 1: She calls one of her daughters and she's screaming at her,
25:55
Speaker 1: calling her a lying bitch, calling her all kinds of names,
25:58
Speaker 1: be rating her, and then she talks She's going to
26:00
Speaker 1: hire like a hitman to kill Tracy. I mean, the
26:04
Speaker 1: woman's nuts. Yeah. But then later when I watched, you know,
26:08
Speaker 1: an interview with her later with an investigative journalist, she
26:12
Speaker 1: says that those recordings were doctored, and that's not exactly
26:15
Speaker 1: what she said. I mean, she has an excuse for everything.
26:18
Speaker 1: This woman has an excuse for everything. Celeste's defense argued
26:22
Speaker 1: that the twins had financial reasons to side against their
26:25
Speaker 1: mother and challenge their credibility. I mean, they were in
26:30
Speaker 1: foster care for the majority of their life. The only
26:32
Speaker 1: time the woman wanted to actually raise them is when
26:34
Speaker 1: she marries a wealthy man and they can move into their.
26:37
Speaker 2: It's financial she like, I'll get more money, Like he'll
26:40
Speaker 2: buy things and take care of them, right, the.
26:42
Speaker 1: Money to them and me or whatever. More witnesses testified
26:45
Speaker 1: about tensions within Celeste and Steven's marriage and statements Celeste
26:49
Speaker 1: allegedly made about him. Prosecutors also introduced extensive phone evidence
26:54
Speaker 1: to demonstrate communication among the people involved. Evidence regarding celeste
26:59
Speaker 1: conduct after Stephen's death was also presented, as prosecutors attempted
27:03
Speaker 1: to demonstrate her attitude towards the marriage and established motive.
27:08
Speaker 1: I know, they showed like she was partying all the time,
27:12
Speaker 1: and she was going out and she.
27:13
Speaker 2: Was hanging out with like young good life.
27:17
Speaker 1: She was always partying with her ex husband, like they
27:20
Speaker 1: were always one. I don't know what number he was,
27:24
Speaker 1: but his life it's fifth.
27:25
Speaker 2: You're married to your wife and it's her fifth marriage,
27:27
Speaker 2: and she's like, oh, I remember my third husband used
27:29
Speaker 2: to do that. Oh my second wait no, that was
27:31
Speaker 2: my fourth husband. I came and you imagine like like
27:35
Speaker 2: like that's a lot of layers that this guy has
27:37
Speaker 2: to go through, ye to satisfy her because she has
27:40
Speaker 2: all these grievances of the four prior marriages that she
27:43
Speaker 2: doesn't want in her fifth marriage.
27:45
Speaker 1: The defense argued that much of this evidence was prejudicial
27:48
Speaker 1: and did not prove that Celeste had participated in the shooting.
27:53
Speaker 1: The defense's theory was basically that Tracy acted alone. Celeste's
27:58
Speaker 1: attorney argued that there was no agree between Celeste and
28:01
Speaker 1: Tracy to murder Stephen. The defense emphasized that Tracy's documented
28:06
Speaker 1: mental health history and argued that she had become obsessed
28:10
Speaker 1: with Celeste. Well, you know, I don't dispute that Tracy
28:14
Speaker 1: was probably obsessed with Celeste, but Celeste reciprocated it. There
28:18
Speaker 1: were so many photos and videos that they showed of
28:20
Speaker 1: them together. It's not like Tracy was obsessed with Celeste
28:24
Speaker 1: and she was just like, you know, stalking her and
28:27
Speaker 1: trying to, you know, be a part of her life.
28:30
Speaker 1: Celeste invited her into her home and into her life,
28:33
Speaker 1: and they did things together. They were always together. The daughters,
28:36
Speaker 1: you know, thought the relationship was inappropriate because she was
28:40
Speaker 1: married to Stephen and they felt badly for him.
28:42
Speaker 2: I mean, it was improbably all the way she traded
28:43
Speaker 2: them and.
28:45
Speaker 1: Celeste denied having a sexual relationship with Tracy and denied
28:49
Speaker 1: ever asking her to kill Stephen. Because Stephen survived the
28:54
Speaker 1: shooting for months, the prosecution also had to establish that
28:57
Speaker 1: the gunshot ultimately caused his death. Obviously, we talked about
29:01
Speaker 1: that before.
29:02
Speaker 2: She admit to anything.
29:04
Speaker 1: No, never, She has maintained her innocence from day one.
29:09
Speaker 1: In the recent interview I saw with.
29:11
Speaker 2: Her, she Tracy or anything. Nothing. No.
29:14
Speaker 1: She claims that every witness that testified against her how
29:20
Speaker 1: to beef with her or just didn't like her and lied.
29:22
Speaker 2: And all four prior marriages, it was probably their fault.
29:25
Speaker 1: The official autopsy attributed his death to pulmonary embolism and
29:29
Speaker 1: bronchio pneumonia with sepsis, but as complications of the gunshot wound.
29:35
Speaker 1: So jurors sided with the prosecution on the issue, which
29:38
Speaker 1: means that they decided that his death was a result
29:44
Speaker 1: of the gunshot wound. On March of two thousand and three,
29:49
Speaker 1: So a jury found Celist guilty of capital murder and
29:51
Speaker 1: injury to an elderly individual. Celeste was convicted as a
29:55
Speaker 1: party to Tracy's conduct, and prosecutors did not claim that
29:58
Speaker 1: Celeste was the person who hold the trigger. Jurors concluded
30:02
Speaker 1: that she had participated in Steven's killing and that the
30:04
Speaker 1: murder was committed for remuneration, namely financial benefits connected to
30:09
Speaker 1: Stevens's estate. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty. She
30:14
Speaker 1: received a life imprisonment for capital murder, and she received
30:18
Speaker 1: a life sentence and ten thousand dollars fine for the
30:20
Speaker 1: injury to an elderly person conviction.
30:23
Speaker 2: Well, those fines are such a joke. I know you
30:26
Speaker 2: had what was the other case we were doing where
30:28
Speaker 2: you said there were seventy witnesses, right, yeah, test just
30:31
Speaker 2: for the yeah, just for the prosecution, all that stuff,
30:35
Speaker 2: and it's like, oh, ten thousand dollars should kind of
30:37
Speaker 2: fix it. Yeah, And and he's dead. He gave her
30:41
Speaker 2: thirty a month and she's supposed to give him ten
30:43
Speaker 2: thousand dollars to who.
30:44
Speaker 1: I asked in two thousand and six. So Celest's convictions
30:49
Speaker 1: are upheld because Celeste appealed her convictions, challenging the sufficiency
30:53
Speaker 1: of the evidence and numerous decisions made during her trial.
30:57
Speaker 1: She argued, among other things, that Tracy's testimony had not
31:00
Speaker 1: been adequately corroborated, prosecutors had failed to establish Stephen's cause
31:04
Speaker 1: of death and financial motive, and that receiving two convictions
31:07
Speaker 1: for the same conduct violated double jeopardy protections. In March
31:13
Speaker 1: of two thousand and six, the Texas Third Court of
31:15
Speaker 1: Appeals rejected her claims and affirmed her convictions. Tracy Tarleton
31:23
Speaker 1: was released from prison on parole in twenty eleven after
31:27
Speaker 1: serving roughly half of her twenty years sentence. Her testimony
31:30
Speaker 1: against thee less remains one of the central pieces of
31:33
Speaker 1: evidence in the case against Celeste. This is interesting too,
31:37
Speaker 1: I learned this in a documentary I watched. Stephen Beard's
31:40
Speaker 1: family has forgiven Tracy Tracy. I don't know if she
31:45
Speaker 1: wrote letters or if she approached them in person. The
31:47
Speaker 1: one that pulled the one that pulled the trigger, but
31:50
Speaker 1: I believe that she showed I guess her hindsight's twenty twenty.
31:54
Speaker 1: When you're in prison and you realize that it wasn't
31:56
Speaker 1: you weren't really protecting Celeste that you used to her
32:00
Speaker 1: she was duped and all these things. I guess she
32:02
Speaker 1: had horrible remorse, obviously.
32:05
Speaker 2: I was guessing that the based on what you said,
32:07
Speaker 2: the family probably saw her as she was manipulated. She
32:10
Speaker 2: thought she was doing a good thing by stopping this
32:14
Speaker 2: crazy man from beating her or whatever it was. Whatever
32:18
Speaker 2: the story was, but it's still impressive that they were
32:22
Speaker 2: able to get to that point where they see her remorse.
32:25
Speaker 2: Her remorse is genuine and enough for the wrongdoing, and
32:30
Speaker 2: then they all come together. That's good for Tracy though, Yeah,
32:33
Speaker 2: and the family because then the family knows like there's
32:36
Speaker 2: only one crazy person out for the dad, not just
32:38
Speaker 2: a bunch of people.
32:40
Speaker 1: So present day, Celeste has continued to deny arranging Stevens murder.
32:45
Speaker 1: She argues that Tracy acted alone, and has also accused
32:49
Speaker 1: her daughters of helping create a false case against her.
32:51
Speaker 1: She has no Celeste has no interactions with her daughters. None.
32:57
Speaker 2: Wow, I was surprised.
32:58
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think they want anything to do with her.
33:00
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think so.
33:01
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty six, Celeste again publicly proclaimed her innocence
33:05
Speaker 1: and accused Tracy, her daughters, and authorities of working together.
33:09
Speaker 2: Everyone's against her, the Juriam immercials. Everyone's against her.
33:13
Speaker 1: I saw last night. I watched a recent interview with her.
33:16
Speaker 1: It was an investigative journalist. It's called Interview with a Killer,
33:20
Speaker 1: and he went to where she's incarcerated, which is that
33:24
Speaker 1: she remains incarcerated in the Texas prison system. I'm not
33:28
Speaker 1: sure where, but she's in Texas. And it showed him
33:31
Speaker 1: driving to meet her for an interview, and she comes
33:33
Speaker 1: out and he has all his notes in front of him.
33:36
Speaker 1: Once she reminded me of my mom. I'm just going
33:38
Speaker 1: to put that out there. But it was a complete
33:40
Speaker 1: just like I was. So I had a hard time
33:44
Speaker 1: even watching her. It was such a Oh.
33:45
Speaker 2: I think you said she was canceled or something last
33:48
Speaker 2: minute or walked.
33:48
Speaker 1: No, No, she did. She started out doing the interview,
33:51
Speaker 1: and I would say, I don't think he was aggressive
33:53
Speaker 1: or mean. I would say he was firm. He's an
33:55
Speaker 1: investigative journalist. You know, he followed the case, he has
33:58
Speaker 1: his notes, he knows what he's talking about. But every
34:00
Speaker 1: question he asked her, she was irritated. She was mad,
34:03
Speaker 1: She took no accountability for anything. It was everybody else's fault.
34:06
Speaker 1: Everybody's out to get her. She's the victim. You know,
34:09
Speaker 1: her daughter's plotted against her, all the you know, everyone
34:12
Speaker 1: that testified plotted against her, the police plotted against her,
34:15
Speaker 1: Tracy plotted against her. No responsibility for anything. She actually
34:19
Speaker 1: wrote a book called Celeste, and he read the book
34:22
Speaker 1: and then she got so mad at him for asking
34:24
Speaker 1: questions that she flipped him off and like wheeled away
34:28
Speaker 1: and was like yelling for the guard to come and
34:30
Speaker 1: get her. I think she was in a wheelchair maybe,
34:33
Speaker 1: or maybe she was just in a chair. I couldn't
34:35
Speaker 1: tell because she was seated, but she was so it
34:37
Speaker 1: was a big dramatic like fu and she flipped them off.
34:41
Speaker 1: And I've never seen someone behave like that. And I've
34:43
Speaker 1: seen lots of shows where it's to interview with a killer,
34:45
Speaker 1: like I've seen lots where people come forward.
34:47
Speaker 2: There's some TV shows I could introduce you to, or
34:50
Speaker 2: you'd see people behave like that.
34:51
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I know you're talking about right, right. Yeah,
34:54
Speaker 1: So then she ends up coming back and finishing the episode.
34:59
Speaker 1: But it just it it showed earlier times when she
35:03
Speaker 1: had done interviews and She was always so good at
35:06
Speaker 1: playing the victim. She was always very you know, demrror,
35:12
Speaker 1: and she was very controlled. And it was interesting to
35:16
Speaker 1: see that facade crack because I think she's played that
35:19
Speaker 1: character for so long that she's the victim in all
35:21
Speaker 1: of this and everyone conspired against her, and she did
35:24
Speaker 1: such a good job of every time she was speaking,
35:27
Speaker 1: or she was in public or she was giving interviews,
35:29
Speaker 1: she was very good at being the victim and very
35:33
Speaker 1: soft and very soft spoken. And then you could see
35:36
Speaker 1: that facade crack because he kept he kept saying, he
35:40
Speaker 1: just kept you know, questioning her. Yeah, well that doesn't
35:43
Speaker 1: make sense because at trial.
35:44
Speaker 2: This was said, well, he knew she was guilty, so
35:46
Speaker 2: he's not going to sit there and let her tell
35:48
Speaker 2: her story.
35:49
Speaker 1: I think she was just going to sit down with
35:51
Speaker 1: him and she was going to give this whole narrative
35:53
Speaker 1: about how everyone plotted against her and she had nothings
35:56
Speaker 1: to do, and he wouldn't let her get away with that.
35:58
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, but it trial, they said this,
36:01
Speaker 1: but this was this, and she lost her mind.
36:03
Speaker 2: People like that and you kind of feel bad and
36:05
Speaker 2: you wonder why their marriages didn't work out.
36:07
Speaker 1: Her five marriages didn't work out.
36:09
Speaker 2: Well the field one name work out because she got
36:11
Speaker 2: it sentenced to prison.
36:12
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know what happened with that fifth marriage.
36:14
Speaker 1: I have no information on that. I don't know if
36:16
Speaker 1: it didn't work out because she ended up going to
36:17
Speaker 1: prison or if they got.
36:18
Speaker 2: Divorced, would make it difficulty.
36:21
Speaker 1: All right, So Celestpier Johnson remains incarcerated in the Texas
36:25
Speaker 1: prison system and is serving a life sentence. Her next
36:28
Speaker 1: parole review date is April first of twenty forty two.
36:33
Speaker 1: So good luck to you, Celestpier Johnson. You're going to
36:36
Speaker 1: be in prison for a long time and you don't
36:39
Speaker 1: even have a parole review date until twenty forty two.
36:44
Speaker 1: You know, she wrote two books. One's called Celeste and
36:46
Speaker 1: another one's called like I don't remember, Triangle of Lies
36:49
Speaker 1: or something like that. I just wonder if she was
36:52
Speaker 1: able to financially benefit in any way from those books
36:55
Speaker 1: or if she just wrote them with wanting people to
36:58
Speaker 1: know her story and I say story and quotations her story,
37:03
Speaker 1: her narrative. But I hope she wasn't able to financially
37:07
Speaker 1: benefit in any way from those books that she wrote.
37:10
Speaker 1: But anyway that is the case of Celeste Beard. Thank
37:14
Speaker 1: you so much for listening to Till Death Do Us Part.
37:17
Speaker 1: As always, our PSA for listeners is divorce over death.
37:23
Speaker 2: Please choose divorce, it really choose marriage.
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