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Celebrating 100 Years: Billy Graham’s Lasting Legacy with Anne Graham Lotz & When God’s Truth Moves from Head to Heart with Dr. Michael Vanlaningham · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
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  S2: impossible and live as you never imagined.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S3: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available.
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  S3: And you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S3: that would make it worth it.
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  S4: Our own way never ever works. Because it's apart from
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  S4: the life source, which is God.
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  S5: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S5: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S5: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: You know, you start journaling the goodness of God. And
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  S2: if you sat down with pen and paper and you
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  S2: really began to look at everything in your life that
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  S2: you can point to and say, God is good for that.
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  S2: And I mean, getting down to the point where you
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  S2: look at silverware that you're using to scoop up the
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  S2: eggs in the morning. There's so many little things that
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  S2: we just take for granted that a lot of people
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  S2: around the globe don't have. And I, I, I love
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  S2: the discipline of taking the time to journal and thank
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  S2: God for all the things that we can really give
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  S2: him praise for because he is good. And it's often
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  S2: the little stuff that we overlook or the routine blessings
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  S2: of God that we begin to not see any longer.
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  S2: You know what I mean, guys?
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  S3: And it's I mean, it's often seen by contrast. I mean,
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  S3: anybody who's ever traveled anywhere else in the world where
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  S3: things are more challenging, you usually come back with fresh perspective.
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  S3: That often happens on missions, trips or any place. I mean,
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  S3: we don't often realize how Many good things we have.
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  S3: But here's my question for you, because sometimes that can
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  S3: get a little wonky. You know, people will often say, well,
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  S3: think about, you know, all of the people in the
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  S3: world who don't have food or think about the people
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  S3: who have sometimes the think about people who have it
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  S3: worse off than you, I don't know. To me, it
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  S3: feels a little strange. Do you think that should be
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  S3: the source of our gratitude that there that there's always
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  S3: somebody who has it worse? It's true. But should that
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  S3: be the reason why we're grateful?
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  S2: No, no, but it is certainly a good reminder for sure.
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  S2: The goodness of God, our gratitude. It's kind of like,
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  S2: you know, us being faithful to something. We might say,
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  S2: oh man, we're being faithful to something. Well, if we
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  S2: really understand our theology, God is faithful. He gave us
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  S2: the heart that beats correct any faithfulness that we might display.
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  S2: Even God gets glory for that.
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  S4: Oh yeah. And I think about the situation you're talking
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  S4: about Ali and looking and saying, oh, this person has
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  S4: it worse or they have it way worse over here. Well, eventually,
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  S4: if you follow that logic, you're going to get down
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  S4: the line where someone goes, no one has it worse
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  S4: than me and that person. And I say this with trepidation,
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  S4: with hesitation, because I know I'm not in this situation,
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  S4: but everybody can look and notice the goodness of God
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  S4: because he is good to all. And if they are
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  S4: his child, they experience it even on a more different level.
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  S4: And so, so we can't just look and say, well,
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  S4: the only reason I can say God is good is
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  S4: because someone has it worse than me. Because there's someone
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  S4: out there who has it worse than anybody. But God
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  S4: is good to them still, too.
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  S2: Yeah. I think what we find in Philippians four isn't that, uh,
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  S2: there is there's no evidence that Paul is calling us
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  S2: to compare and contrast. It's just looking at all that
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  S2: we have that is good and excellent and worthy of praise.
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  S2: Anything like that. And give them thanks. And it's a
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  S2: it's a great discipline for sure. There's so many blessings
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  S2: from God. I mean, I, I gotta tell you, I've
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  S2: got a, I've got a card that I just delight in, man.
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  S2: We got this thing. Oh, when did we get it?
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  S2: Probably 2015. And it's, it's a, it's a souped up Toyota.
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  S2: It's a Lexus Rx350 SUV. And so it's a 2013.
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  S2: I ain't getting rid of this car. This thing. All
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  S2: you do is change the oil in this car. Now,
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  S2: I did have to get some brakes and stuff, and
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  S2: I had to get some things redone and some oil
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  S2: pan gaskets replaced and a few little things like that.
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  S2: But my goodness, I every time I get in it now,
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  S2: I love it more now than I did when I
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  S2: got it, because it just keeps on ticking. And I
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  S2: thank God for that. I thank God for a car
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  S2: that doesn't break down every other block, you know what
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  S2: I mean?
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  S5: Sure, every morning, get in the car and go. Thank you, Lord,
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  S5: it turns over. Thank you Lord. Yeah, seriously.
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  S2: He turns over, man. Super nice. She's flexing the fact
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  S2: that she knows the shop talk. It turns over. Yeah,
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  S2: it turns over. Isn't that cool?
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  S5: Here we go.
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  S2: Yeah. I mean, I was watching a really good one
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  S2: of these series flicks from, like, a timeline. 1843 and
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  S2: it's got it's got those older actresses. I don't know
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  S2: their names. Somebody helped me with it. They one of
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  S2: them played in Downton Abbey. She was the grandma. I have.
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  S4: No idea.
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  S2: She passed away. She's super famous in England and stateside here. Anyway,
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  S2: she's like one of these famous actresses. But it was hilarious, man.
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  S2: So they've got this. It looks like a model T,
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  S2: but whatever it is, you got to crank start this sucker. Oh, wow.
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  S2: So these two women are in this car and she's
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  S2: cranking it and she's she looks up at her friend
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  S2: and she goes, do you have the choke out? And
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  S2: she says, I don't know if I have the choke out.
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  S2: So she walks around. Yeah. And so they pull out
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  S2: the choke lever so that you can get fuel into
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  S2: the carburetor or whatever it was back in the day. And,
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  S2: and then she comes back to the front and cranks
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  S2: that sucker again. Now it's all relative because my bride
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  S2: and I looked at each other, we're laughing and we're like,
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  S2: that was that was you were in some good man
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  S2: when you even had a car to crank. Now consider
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  S2: that today if we'd get out and crank a car
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  S2: this morning.
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  S4: That's crazy bro. I remember being inconvenienced by the cars
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  S4: that we had growing up, where you had to crank
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  S4: to roll the window down like, oh, Inconvenient goodness. I mean,
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  S4: I had both. I had one car that had the
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  S4: power windows. I had one car that had the crank windows.
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  S4: And I was like, I prefer the power windows, please.
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  S2: Of course.
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  S4: Yeah.
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  S2: I mean, but we had a Renault and.
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  S4: I've never heard of that before.
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  S2: Yeah. You haven't heard of Renault, huh? European brand. And, uh,
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  S2: the windows in short order didn't crank down. They just
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  S2: stopped working.
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  S4: Oh, no.
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  S2: And my dad said once they go up, leave them because.
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  S4: You don't want to get them stuck down.
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  S2: I mean, super dry. And I at least can relate
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  S2: to this.
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  S3: No, I mean, there's definitely something about having a car
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  S3: that has character. Yes. You know, like every. Yes. I
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  S3: feel like you, at some point in time in your life,
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  S3: you need to own a car that has like a story. Yes. I.E.
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  S3: a series of things that have to be done to
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  S3: get it to start or to keep it going. My
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  S3: dad had this huge beat up red pickup truck and.
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  S6: I love it.
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  S3: You had to do like a series of things to
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  S3: get it going, like pump the brakes six times and like,
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  S3: turn this like it was just, it was like a
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  S3: but it had character. I love cars that have a
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  S3: little bit of character, but I am very grateful now
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  S3: to have a car that's kind of boring. It just
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  S3: starts and it stops, and it doesn't have a series
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  S3: of things that you need to do. Yeah, there's no surprises.
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  S2: Oh my goodness. My favorite little car that I had,
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  S2: I think one of the favorite I had was the
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  S2: little brown turd that Volkswagen.
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  S3: What.
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  S2: I called it, the little brown turd it was, and
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  S2: that we affectionately, everyone in the family said, are we
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  S2: going to take the turd dad? And so it was a.
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  S3: That.
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  S4: It's awesome.
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  S2: It was an awesome.
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  S5: Did it have the little triangle window in the front?
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  S5: The split window in the front seat. Remember the driver
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  S5: passengers used to.
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  S2: This was a Volkswagen Diesel kind of little Ford. It
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  S2: was four doors, but you couldn't sit in the back.
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  S2: I mean, there was no. I mean, unless you prop
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  S2: your feet up on the seat. I mean, you couldn't
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  S2: sit in the back, but I think I bought it.
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  S2: I want to get this right. I think I bought
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  S2: it for 300 bucks in little Rock, and it had
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  S2: a coat hanger to pop the hood, of course. And
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  S2: and then my infamous if you're new listening here, this
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  S2: is new to you. But I had my infamous was
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  S2: a screwdriver and it was a stubby screwdriver. So it
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  S2: didn't have a long one. So it fit in there
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  S2: nicely is what I'm trying to say. So I put
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  S2: the little stubby flathead screwdriver in there and that was
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  S2: my ignition key in the in the coolest. I love
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  S2: telling the story, but we went to I was speaking
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  S2: of family life weekend, remember conference at a really nice
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  S2: hotel in Memphis. And I've got to drive from little
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  S2: Rock to Memphis, and I've taken my son because we
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  S2: got room service. It's all you can eat kind of
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  S2: a thing, you know, that's what the speakers get. So
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  S2: I said, hey, I'm going to bring along my son.
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  S2: And so he must have ordered 42 burgers that weekend
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  S2: and sat there. Who knows what in the world is
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  S2: going on, but he's just chowing down. But on the
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  S2: way there, uh, didn't have good suspension in this rig,
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  S2: so I had to hit a little bit of a pothole.
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  S2: In fact, it didn't even need to be a pothole.
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  S2: Just a seam in the asphalt.
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  S7: Seemed to.
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  S2: Just kick my hubcaps off that I had went, I
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  S2: went and got these hubcaps for like 4 or 5
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  S2: bucks and a used place, and they were really nice.
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  S2: So they made the car look a little bit better.
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  S2: And I lost two hubcaps on the way to Memphis.
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  S3: Oh, no, two hubcaps.
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  S2: So I roll into this really nice hotel valet parking,
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  S2: you know, up in the front, because that's where I
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  S2: was supposed to go. And I was a little bit embarrassed,
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  S2: but also a little bit giddy, thinking, how is this
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  S2: going to go down? This is going to be fun.
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  S2: So I roll up. And so I imagine this little
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  S2: brown turd missing two hubcaps, not looking good. Diesel Volkswagen.
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  S2: It was a Volkswagen rabbit, diesel and I wheel in
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  S2: and the valet says, welcome, sir. And you could tell
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  S2: the valets are smirking, like, wow. And I said, yeah,
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  S2: my name is Karl Clausen. Oh, you're one of the
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  S2: speakers this weekend. I said, yeah, I am, here's here's
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  S2: my key. And I hand him the screwdriver.
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  S5: His expression. I would have liked to have had a camera.
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  S2: Actually, this kid, this kid was really cool. He goes,
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  S2: that's your key.
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  S4: I'm sure he.
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  S2: Said, yeah, try it out, man. He says, I will.
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  S2: I'm gonna drive it around the corner. I said, it works, slick, man.
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  S2: Don't lose it. I said, I'm going to need that
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  S2: thing when I go home.
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  S4: Or go to Ace Hardware. If you do lose it.
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  S2: Oh, but it's just it's just great. Um, I want
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  S2: to focus on the goodness of God, though not in
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  S2: the little stuff, but in the big stuff. In the
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  S2: 31st Psalm, we find this verse, and you can't even
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  S2: get the emphasis of it in the English. But in
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  S2: the Hebrew language, it's over the top. Powerful. Oh, how
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  S2: abundant is your goodness? David says, which you have stored
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  S2: up for those who fear you. Very interesting. Right? So
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  S2: those who fear God, there will be some abundance in
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  S2: God's goodness and work for those who take refuge in you.
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  S2: Isn't it interesting how many times we're called to take
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  S2: refuge in God?
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  S3: I love, I love that. I love that.
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  S2: Why do you love that?
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  S3: I just when I think about God and I, I
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  S3: find myself thinking about running into him, taking refuge in
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  S3: him and that for some reason, that imagery has just
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  S3: captures my heart.
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  S2: Yeah, it's so cool. Then it goes on and work
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  S2: for those who take refuge in you, in the sight
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  S2: of the children of mankind. So here's what he's saying.
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  S2: There's some goodness from God that is a reward for
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  S2: the God fearing and for the refuge taking that is
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  S2: so bodacious. Other people go look at God blessing that guy.
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  S2: And so I want to ask you a question. Boom. Crew,
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  S2: have you seen the goodness of God amaze you? I mean,
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  S2: very evidently that's from God. And it's like, wow, wow.
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  S2: Because David's saying here, oh, how abundant is your goodness?
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  S2: 805 five, 578, 98. Give us a call right now
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  S2: 805 five, five, 78, 98 and think about it, team.
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  S2: We can all point to those things in our life,
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  S2: can't we?
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  S3: Absolutely. Sure. Absolutely.
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  S2: Isn't it wonderful? We'll talk about it coming up here.
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  S2: You've seen God's goodness amaze you. Give us a call
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  S2: 805 557898.
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  S1: You're listening to Curl and Crew on Moody Radio.
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  S2: Sometimes when we see those blessings, the goodness of God
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  S2: that amaze us. And that's what we find here in
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  S2: Psalm 3119. Oh, how abundant is your goodness. And we've
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  S2: all been around people who come up and they share
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  S2: something and they just like, look what God did. Look
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  S2: at what God did. And it's a beautiful thing, number one,
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  S2: that you recognize it. Number two, it's a powerful thing
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  S2: to cheer for it. Because what David goes on to
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  S2: say is the children of God need to see other
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  S2: children of God being blessed by God and talking about it.
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  S2: Isn't this cool?
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  S3: It's very true when people. You can feel the excitement when.
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  S3: Whether you're in a small group or you're in a
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  S3: large church setting or just a group of people, and
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  S3: someone shares something that God has done for them in
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  S3: a way that they've been amazed, you can feel everybody
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  S3: kind of joining in. Everybody's smiling a little bit like
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  S3: because it's exciting. You're going, wow, okay, yeah, tell me more.
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  S2: Yeah. When we were young marrieds, man, we went off
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  S2: to Africa for a year. And when you're young marrieds,
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  S2: I mean, we we were just man caution to the wind.
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  S2: We went down with a little a little sun. And
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  S2: we had a daughter on the way. Didn't know that
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  S2: back in the day. Uh, but we had a daughter
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  S2: on the way. And so my bride, as I look
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  S2: back about that. What a trooper, man she gets. We're
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  S2: going to Africa. And then we have a baby down there.
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  S2: And even getting to the hospital was crazy. But we
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  S2: come back from Africa and we're so broke we can't
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  S2: pay attention. I kid you not, guys, we didn't have
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  S2: a plug nickel and I wanted God was clearly calling
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  S2: us to Denver Seminary in Colorado, and we got nothing.
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  S2: And I'm sitting at my in-laws home and I look
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  S2: at my bride and I said, babe, I want to
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  S2: go do one more season of commercial fishing. I want
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  S2: to get us out of this ditch. She goes, oh, bub,
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  S2: it's so dangerous. I said, just give me one shot.
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  S2: I promise I'll be super safe and give me one shot.
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  S2: We'll we'll we'll see what God does. She goes, okay,
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  S2: but just be safe. And so I flew to Alaska,
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  S2: got on a commercial fishing boat for a couple months.
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  S2: And the first couple of months, guys, Ali, I gotta
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  S2: tell you, it was so discouraging because it was just
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  S2: the fish were not coming in. It wasn't a big year.
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  S2: And I had made a good chunk already because you
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  S2: make you can make some good cheddar. And I had
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  S2: probably made 15 K, but on par that wasn't great.
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  S2: And I didn't have a house. I didn't have anything.
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  S2: In Denver. We had no wheels, we had no wheels,
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  S2: we had no car. We had nothing. I mean nothing.
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  S2: We we were scraping to get diaper dough. I mean,
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  S2: it was rough. So old sea captain of mine was
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  S2: season's winding down. He says, hey, you want to stay
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  S2: around for a couple of weeks, do some scratch fishing?
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  S2: Scratch fishing means there ain't many fish around, but let's
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  S2: just go see what we can find Anyway, I'm like,
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  S2: all right, let me call my wife. Get up on
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  S2: a dock, call her up, bring her up on a landline.
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  S2: Said I'm gonna hang out for a couple more weeks, babe,
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  S2: if that's all right. She said, no, the kids are great.
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  S2: How are you? Great. You know, we couldn't talk very often.
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  S2: I said, I'm going to give it a couple weeks ago.
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  S2: Would you pray that God would bless us? She said,
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  S2: I will, Bob. We leave Naknek, the dock in Naknek.
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  S2: We go past Egegik, go all the way down to
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  S2: the region of Ugashik. These are all native Alaskan names
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  S2: for regions of Bristol Bay, which is part of the
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  S2: Bering Sea. We're doing scratch fishing. It's like 1000 £1,500
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  S2: a day. So that's a few hundred bucks a day.
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  S2: And it's just me and one sea captain. So I'm
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  S2: getting 25% crew share, which is really good, by the way.
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  S2: Really good. So I'm like, and he probably just took
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  S2: pity on me. He knows I got nothing, man. So
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  S2: he's just like, yeah, how about 25%? I'm like, yeah,
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  S2: how about it? Let's go. So we're when they were
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  S2: just the there's no, there are barely a ripple on
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  S2: the water. I mean, it looks like we're on a lake,
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  S2: but we're on the ocean. And on the horizon, I
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  S2: start to see a, a fish jump. And then I
• 17:56
  S2: see more. And then I see more. And now the
• 18:00
  S2: fish are popping, popping, popping. Now, mind you, there is
• 18:03
  S2: not a boat around us in the prime of the season.
• 18:07
  S2: There's boats everywhere. There's no one around us. We got
• 18:12
  S2: 300 yards of gill net out the stern of the boat,
• 18:14
  S2: big boy, 300 yards away. We're perpendicular to the beach.
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  S2: We're probably, oh, I'd say quarter, half a mile off
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  S2: the beach. And we're just sitting there in about 30ft
• 18:26
  S2: of water and I'm yelling, Marvin! I start to yell, Marvin, Marvin,
• 18:30
  S2: he says, I see him. I said, Marvin. He said,
• 18:34
  S2: this is crazy. And guys like a wall. Those salmon,
• 18:39
  S2: late arriving red salmon. Two years in the ocean. And
• 18:43
  S2: they came back late. Now did God bring them back
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  S2: for me? I don't know. All I know is that
• 18:50
  S2: God was good that day. They stormed that net, and
• 18:54
  S2: it was like it was prime time in the middle
• 18:57
  S2: of the hottest season going. I think my cut on
• 19:01
  S2: that one haul was like five grand. $5,000.
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  S5: And back then.
• 19:08
  S2: That was huge back then.
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  S7: Yeah.
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  S2: And we stayed on for a couple more days. And
• 19:13
  S2: and it was a late run of salmon that year.
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  S2: Nobody anticipated it. And you can't know because nobody you
• 19:20
  S2: can't track the fish. You know what I'm saying.
• 19:22
  S7: You don't know when they're going.
• 19:23
  S2: To show up. And we crushed it. And I cried
• 19:30
  S2: in the stern of the boat, I cried, I'm like, God,
• 19:35
  S2: you saw me. A poor kid coming back from the
• 19:38
  S2: mission field. Got a bride at home, and God enabled
• 19:43
  S2: us to that year by an 800 square foot home.
• 19:49
  S2: That to me was a mansion man. It was a mansion.
• 19:55
  S2: And it was such a blessing from God that I'm
• 19:58
  S2: amazed to this day, all these years later. Isn't that cool, guys?
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  S4: It's incredible.
• 20:05
  S2: So I got a question for you. How have you
• 20:07
  S2: seen the goodness of God just flat out amaze you
• 20:10
  S2: where you go? God, you you sent those fish. You
• 20:15
  S2: sent those fish. We were the only net down there.
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  S2: We got them all. You sent him God. It wasn't
• 20:27
  S2: fish for you, but it was something. 805, five, five, 78, 98.
• 20:32
  S2: Give us a call.
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  S1: He's a sports fanatic with a stand for anything you
• 20:36
  S1: can think of. Young Thunder is in the crew. It's
• 20:40
  S1: curl and crew on moody radio.
• 20:44
  S2: Sometimes the goodness of God just blows your mind.
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  S7: Right, guys? Yes.
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  S3: Love it when that happens.
• 20:50
  S2: And it's not all the time.
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  S7: No.
• 20:52
  S2: And usually the mind blowers are the most unexpected ones, right?
• 20:57
  S4: Oh, 100%. But I think we can be our mind
• 21:00
  S4: can be blown with more, you know, over time with him.
• 21:04
  S4: Like for me, this last like in two weeks time,
• 21:08
  S4: my wife and I had three major car issues. We
• 21:11
  S4: had a cracked windshield that needed to be completely replaced.
• 21:14
  S4: We had a tire that blew out on the highway
• 21:17
  S4: and had to be pulled over on the shoulder and
• 21:20
  S4: windshield wiper rubber that literally peeled off in the middle
• 21:23
  S4: of like one of the biggest storms that we've had
• 21:26
  S4: in a while here. All of them happening within like
• 21:28
  S4: a week's time. And God provided in every single one.
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  S4: The last one, the wipers. I was on the phone
• 21:35
  S4: with my seven month pregnant wife when it happened. The
• 21:39
  S4: rubber just peeled off and she like, I can't see anymore.
• 21:42
  S4: I can't see the wipers, not doing anything. And I said, okay,
• 21:45
  S4: just pull over. I'm getting ready, thinking I'm gonna have
• 21:47
  S4: to get in the car and go get her. And
• 21:49
  S4: I said, just pull over, find the next spot. The
• 21:51
  S4: next stop she pulled over was was a car shop
• 21:54
  S4: where she pulled in. They gave her the thing and
• 21:58
  S4: they put it on for her. And she got back
• 21:59
  S4: in the car in like five minutes and was on
• 22:01
  S4: her way. Wow. The goodness of God is evident everywhere.
• 22:04
  S2: Yeah. It's good. All right. We're gonna get some callers
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  S2: in here really quickly. Mike. Uh, Lakeland, Florida. Just got
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  S2: a second here. What? How did God show this amazing
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  S2: goodness to you?
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  S8: Hey. Good morning, it's Mika. Mika. Um, the goodness of
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  S8: the Lord. That's okay. The goodness of the Lord. Um.
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  S8: My mom, we were living in a home and a tree,
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  S8: you know, kind of wrecked the house, and we didn't
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  S8: have anywhere to go. We lived in a hotel for
• 22:30
  S8: a couple of months, but a friend of my mom's
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  S8: got us, you know, into a home that we were renting.
• 22:37
  S8: And the landlord favored my mom, which out of the blue. Right? Yeah,
• 22:41
  S8: he sold us that home for ten bucks.
• 22:45
  S9: Oh. What? Oh, what?
• 22:49
  S8: Homeless and home owners for ten bucks.
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  S9: Oh my goodness.
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  S5: Huh?
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  S9: Oh, Mika.
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  S5: What?
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  S2: See? See, I'm telling you, man.
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  S4: That's God's.
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  S2: Favorite. And you've got it. You gotta shout it when
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  S2: you see it.
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  S9: Yeah.
• 23:03
  S2: And that was God fearing people who found refuge in God.
• 23:07
  S2: And God saw. And he chose to bless at that time. Jeremy, Tampa, Florida.
• 23:12
  S2: Get you in here real quick. What do you say, Jeremy?
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  S10: Hey. Good morning. When I was in college, I was
• 23:17
  S10: diagnosed with testicular cancer. So I had to leave college,
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  S10: come home and do all the treatment in the Tampa
• 23:23
  S10: Bay area. And, um, my parents only had major medical
• 23:27
  S10: insurance for me at the time because I was in college,
• 23:29
  S10: so I couldn't have the regular insurance and I owed
• 23:34
  S10: over $100,000. When I was done with all my treatment,
• 23:37
  S10: and I had it in a box next to my bed.
• 23:40
  S10: And I just kept praying about it, you know? I mean,
• 23:43
  S10: at 23 years old, it felt like a mortgage. And
• 23:45
  S10: I just would look at this box and feel a
• 23:48
  S10: little bit of stress and, you know, angst. And, uh,
• 23:51
  S10: one day I got a letter and it, um, it
• 23:55
  S10: just said, your debt has been forgiven with the Moffitt Center.
• 23:58
  S10: And I owed $0.
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  S2: Jeremy.
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  S10: Phenomenal. Jeremy. Amazing.
• 24:04
  S2: How good is God? How old are you now, bro?
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  S10: I'm 46. I have two beautiful children and a wife.
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  S6: Yeah.
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  S2: You know what, Jeremy? 23 years later, you're still singing
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  S2: the praises of God, bro.
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  S10: Yeah, absolutely.
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  S2: How good is.
• 24:21
  S10: God? Oh, he's so good. He's so good.
• 24:25
  S2: So sweet. Thank you guys. We can't get to everyone today,
• 24:29
  S2: but wow. Stories of God's goodness. Sally.
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  S3: I I'm just blown away. I feel that with each
• 24:35
  S3: of our callers, like you feel like there's a debt
• 24:38
  S3: you can't pay. You feel like there's a house, there's
• 24:41
  S3: no possibility. And then God provides. And when he does
• 24:45
  S3: in these amazing ways, like you said, we don't see
• 24:47
  S3: that every day. But when you do, when you hear
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  S3: about it, you go, man, God, you're good.
• 24:52
  S2: Shout it, man, shout it.
• 24:54
  S1: Wanna hear that again? Just download the Curl and Crew
• 24:57
  S1: podcast wherever you like to stream. What a treat.
• 25:02
  S2: To bring in a man that can go into the
• 25:04
  S2: sticky pages of scripture and find truth there.
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  S3: Ali doctor Michael Van Landingham joining us this morning, retired
• 25:11
  S3: professor of Bible at the Moody Bible Institute. You can
• 25:15
  S3: hear him frequently afternoons with Michael, reading and answering Bible
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  S3: questions on Chris Fabry live and on Open Line on
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  S3: Saturday mornings.
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  S2: Good to have you, doc. Okay. so Jeremiah, what a
• 25:27
  S2: tough gig. He gets called as a young man to
• 25:29
  S2: speak on behalf of God. And then God tells him,
• 25:31
  S2: by the way, nobody's going to listen to you. What
• 25:34
  S2: a crazy thing that is, huh? Michael.
• 25:36
  S11: What a great calling. You know, every once in a
• 25:38
  S11: while I run into people who say, well, I am,
• 25:40
  S11: I'm a prophet, or I intend to be a prophet.
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  S11: And I'm thinking, go read through Jeremiah and let me
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  S11: know if that's something you really want to do.
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  S9: Yeah.
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  S11: Because it's not an easy calling.
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  S2: No it isn't. But here's what's amazing. So, um, Jerusalem
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  S2: gets sacked. 586 BC temple gets burned. I mean, we
• 25:59
  S2: had a little bit of a generation spirit with Josiah,
• 26:02
  S2: but his sons come in and it's a mess. So
• 26:05
  S2: they get hauled off to Babylon. And then we find this.
• 26:09
  S2: And I want your take on this in the middle
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  S2: of all this affliction. And nobody's listening to him. He writes,
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  S2: the steadfast love of the Lord never ceases. His mercies
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  S2: never come to an end. They are new every morning.
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  S2: Great is your faithfulness. Now it goes on to him rehearsing,
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  S2: speaking to his soul and his soul. Meeting with God. Michael,
• 26:34
  S2: there's some meat here, isn't there, my friend?
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  S11: There is. And it's really important to understand that God
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  S11: is good all the time. And even when things are
• 26:43
  S11: difficult for us, it doesn't mean that his good has
• 26:46
  S11: been suspended or anything like that. And in fact, God's
• 26:49
  S11: goodness and his sovereignty. So if God is sovereign, and
• 26:53
  S11: by that I mean that he oversees superintendents, governs everything
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  S11: that happens in the universe, including sin, evil, or suffering.
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  S11: If he doesn't have some sort of sovereignty over that,
• 27:06
  S11: then he's not much of a god, frankly, because there's
• 27:08
  S11: a lot of that in the world. So if he
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  S11: is sovereign that way, and if he is good and loving,
• 27:16
  S11: then everything that happens to us comes through the grid
• 27:20
  S11: of his sovereign love. And so when we have difficulty
• 27:25
  S11: and hardship, as counterintuitive as it seems, that's part of
• 27:29
  S11: God's loving design for our life. That was true in Jeremiah.
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  S11: That's true for us today. And if we don't have
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  S11: God's sovereignty in that connected to his goodness and love,
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  S11: then there's very little hope for us.
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  S3: I think when we think about God's goodness. You know,
• 27:45
  S3: God is good. You said God is good all the time.
• 27:48
  S3: And I'm sure many people wanted to say and all
• 27:50
  S3: the time, God is good, good.
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  S11: Good, right?
• 27:52
  S3: There's a certain extent that every person, whether they believe
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  S3: in God or not, experiences a taste of his goodness
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  S3: because that's who he is. Speak to that a little bit.
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  S11: I mean, it says in Matthew that God causes the
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  S11: rain to fall on the fields, both the righteous and
• 28:10
  S11: the unrighteous. God has caused people who will never come
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  S11: to Christ to be born into families where they're reared,
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  S11: taken care of, taught, fed, clothed, and they get jobs
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  S11: with which they can have the resources to purchase things
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  S11: they need. All of that comes from God. All of
• 28:25
  S11: that is a sign of his goodness. And so, yeah,
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  S11: there's there's a sense in which every single one of
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  S11: us on the planet are recipients of his goodness.
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  S2: Do we associate the goodness of God, Michael, with, um,
• 28:39
  S2: good times. And that's the predominant interpretation of God's goodness
• 28:45
  S2: is the good stuff, the good things, the good people
• 28:48
  S2: around us and the good events of life. Are we
• 28:52
  S2: more inclined to see that because that's our human nature,
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  S2: or that we haven't executed the Bible enough to reveal
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  S2: for people that God is good? I think of Paul.
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  S2: I can do all things through him who strengthens me.
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  S2: But we got to remember it's in the context of
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  S2: whether I have suffering, need, or whether I have much.
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  S2: I can do all things through him. So the giants
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  S2: of the faith understood the goodness of God and good
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  S2: and bad. The rain falls. Sometimes it doesn't. Is that
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  S2: because we struggle with biblical literacy, or is it because
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  S2: it's a nature thing, or is it a little bit
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  S2: of both?
• 29:26
  S11: Before you say it, a little bit of both, I
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  S11: was going to say, yes, it is both. Yeah it is,
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  S11: it is both nature. I mean, not a one of
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  S11: us doesn't want to have an easy life. We don't
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  S11: want to have to suffer or go through hardship. Any
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  S11: of us Christian or non-Christian. But I think also, especially
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  S11: for believers, we don't know the scriptures very well. We
• 29:46
  S11: don't know some good, solid, basic Christian theology, and we
• 29:49
  S11: don't know quite to put God's goodness and love in
• 29:53
  S11: with our suffering. But it's interesting in job. Anybody ever
• 29:57
  S11: heard of job? Did that guy suffer? Yeah, maybe.
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  S2: Yeah.
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  S11: In job chapter 42, verse one and verse one and two,
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  S11: and job answered the Lord and said, I know that
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  S11: you can do all things, and that no purpose of
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  S11: yours can be thwarted, no purpose. And then it says
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  S11: in verse 11 of chapter 42, than all his brothers
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  S11: and all his sisters, and all who had known him
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  S11: before came to him. And they ate bread with him
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  S11: in his house. And they consoled him and comforted him
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  S11: for all the adversities that the Lord had brought on him. Wow. Wow. See,
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  S11: we want to blame. In the first chapter of job,
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  S11: you find Sabaeans and and Chaldeans and a wind from
• 30:44
  S11: heaven and some other things that come and destroy all
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  S11: of job's holdings, all of his family. And Satan is
• 30:51
  S11: involved in that mix as well. But what does job say?
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  S11: End of the chapter. The Lord gives and the Lord
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  S11: takes away. Blessed be the name of the Lord. Even
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  S11: though it was Satan, even though it was the sabaeans,
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  S11: even though it was acts of nature, as we would
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  S11: call them, he ascribes the ultimate providence over all of
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  S11: these things to God, and doesn't sin in the process.
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  S11: That is, it wasn't a mistake for him to say
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  S11: that what he said wasn't a sinful thing. He himself
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  S11: was able to maintain an attitude at that point of
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  S11: reliance and trust in the Lord. And so we have
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  S11: to sort of, I think, shift our thinking, many of
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  S11: us evangelicals, so that we can understand that God is
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  S11: good to us. He's sovereign, even the hard things he superintends. Listen,
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  S11: if he's not sovereign, then how can Romans 828 be true? Yeah,
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  S11: we know that God causes all things to work together
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  S11: for good to those who are called according to his purpose.
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  S11: If he's not sovereign at the front end of our sufferings,
• 31:49
  S11: that is when they begin, then he's not going to
• 31:52
  S11: be sovereign at the end of our sufferings to bring
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  S11: good out of it. If you want to have him
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  S11: be sovereign enough to bring good out of it, then
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  S11: you've got to have him sovereign all the way through it.
• 32:02
  S11: And a lot of times we don't want to actually
• 32:04
  S11: look at God that way, but we must. I think
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  S11: otherwise we don't have much hope, I don't think.
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  S3: Doctor Michael Van Landingham, our guest right now is the
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  S3: co-editor of the Moody Bible commentary. Obviously you have done
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  S3: a lot. You've done a lot of research. You are
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  S3: deep in theology. How do you handle when your own
• 32:22
  S3: life you get hit with something totally unexpected? How do
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  S3: you take all of the truth that you've studied and
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  S3: that you've learned? And practically, how do you sit down
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  S3: with all of that in the midst of pain and grief,
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  S3: and apply it as much as you can bring us
• 32:37
  S3: into your own process? What do you do?
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  S11: I've had a fairly vanilla life. Praise the Lord. I
• 32:43
  S11: have had cancer three times from which I've recovered and
• 32:46
  S11: I'm in remission.
• 32:47
  S2: That's not vanilla.
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  S11: No. I got laid off at Moody Bible Institute, along
• 32:51
  S11: with 33 of my friends on the same day. And
• 32:53
  S11: I loved my job, loved it, loved it, loved it,
• 32:55
  S11: loved it, and I got laid off. Then I got
• 32:58
  S11: laid off at Harvest Bible Chapel as well, and I.
• 33:01
  S11: At that point, I could and I did retire. So
• 33:04
  S11: in all of those circumstances, you know, up here I
• 33:07
  S11: have floating around theology related to things like the sovereignty
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  S11: and the goodness and love of God. I have to
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  S11: be very honest, especially when I got laid off at Moody.
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  S11: It took a while for that to go from here
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  S11: to here. Now I'm pointing at my heart. So I
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  S11: knew that. But it took me several weeks. I would
• 33:29
  S11: have to say probably. I wish it could have been faster,
• 33:31
  S11: but it took me several weeks, probably to get to
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  S11: the point where I just figured out, you know, somehow, God,
• 33:36
  S11: God's in control of this. God's ordained this, and somehow
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  S11: he's going to bring good out of it because he's
• 33:41
  S11: sovereign and he's good, and he promises to do so.
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  S11: And I think he did, you know, in some really
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  S11: remarkable ways, some tangible ways I could put my finger
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  S11: on which we don't need to go into right now.
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  S11: But that's just how God works, you know? And so
• 33:53
  S11: it's not easy. But for me personally, the knowledge of
• 33:58
  S11: God's sovereign governing rule over all the world and his
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  S11: love is an enormous comfort to me. On the times
• 34:06
  S11: that I have struggled that way.
• 34:08
  S2: I so appreciate your vulnerability, Michael. And I want to
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  S2: talk about that gap because it's in that gap that
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  S2: I've both done it correctly and I've done it wrongly,
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  S2: because in that gap can be fodder for gossip. It
• 34:20
  S2: can be fodder for resentment, unforgiveness, it can be fought
• 34:25
  S2: for all these different emotions and actions. It can also
• 34:29
  S2: be a time of waiting. And I don't know that
• 34:31
  S2: anyone gets those perfectly. But how should we navigate that
• 34:36
  S2: gap between that truth moving its way from our head
• 34:39
  S2: to our heart? Because it could be a week or two,
• 34:42
  S2: or a month or more.
• 34:44
  S11: Or a decade.
• 34:45
  S2: Or a decade.
• 34:45
  S11: Or two decades. It could be a long time. But,
• 34:48
  S11: you know, I'll speak for myself, and I think this
• 34:51
  S11: may be helpful for some. I had this stuck in
• 34:55
  S11: my head already. I had the theology there, and when
• 34:58
  S11: I went through the hardship, my immediate thought was actually,
• 35:03
  S11: God's still good. He's sovereign. This is part of his
• 35:06
  S11: loving design for my life. I thought that and I
• 35:08
  S11: knew that, but I have to say, it took a
• 35:11
  S11: while for my emotions to catch up to that. That's
• 35:13
  S11: what I mean. It went from my head to my heart.
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  S2: Sure.
• 35:16
  S11: In the meantime, while I was waiting for my emotions
• 35:19
  S11: to be able to get connected to that theology, you
• 35:22
  S11: just trust God. You just sort of hang on. You
• 35:25
  S11: don't become bitter against him. You decide in advance. I
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  S11: am not going to think ill of God in the
• 35:31
  S11: midst of all of this. Scripture doesn't really point in
• 35:33
  S11: that direction. I should never do that. And so I
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  S11: don't understand what's going on. I know the theology God's
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  S11: sovereign and loving. And right now that doesn't really seem
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  S11: to help very much, quite frankly. But I'm going to
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  S11: hang on and trust him to help me get there.
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  S11: And that's what I did. And I think that's what
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  S11: a lot of folks do.
• 35:51
  S2: This is one of the most important conversations we've ever had.
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  S2: This is one of the most important ever. Ali.
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  S3: I mean, I know, I know what I think, but
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  S3: why do you say that?
• 36:04
  S2: Because we're peeling back a layer of real life that
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  S2: we don't often get down to. We don't have a
• 36:10
  S2: guest that says, let me give you an example of
• 36:12
  S2: how it can get pressure tested. But there's something about
• 36:16
  S2: hearing a man of God. We're sitting here talking behind
• 36:19
  S2: your back while you're sitting here. There's something about hearing
• 36:22
  S2: a man of God talk about that wrestling that makes
• 36:25
  S2: the theology of the goodness of God even through lost tragedy, pain, hardship, whatever.
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  S2: For me, it makes it way more palpable and way
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  S2: more real.
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  S3: Yeah. I think the common struggle, you know, people will
• 36:37
  S3: look at like a moody Bible Institute and the great
• 36:40
  S3: professors we have even a moody radio. Yeah. And can
• 36:43
  S3: almost feel like it's a layer removed from like, somehow
• 36:47
  S3: that the like that there's not real people here who
• 36:51
  S3: both study theology and then go home and get a
• 36:53
  S3: phone call that, you know.
• 36:54
  S6: You're laid off.
• 36:55
  S3: Exactly. Yeah. And so I think kind of I'm with you,
• 36:59
  S3: peeling back the layers a little bit, I think is
• 37:02
  S3: really deeply helpful for people.
• 37:05
  S2: What do you say, Michael, to the person who, because
• 37:09
  S2: we got every kind of person listening. Loss can produce
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  S2: anger and blame and finger pointing in its most base form.
• 37:18
  S2: It can go there with genuinely regenerate people. By the way,
• 37:22
  S2: can act like they've lost their minds for a season.
• 37:25
  S2: And the only reason I know that is I've done that. Thankfully,
• 37:27
  S2: it was more in my youth. But what do you
• 37:31
  S2: say to a person that is just gone through loss
• 37:34
  S2: and they want to get there. They want to. They
• 37:39
  S2: don't want it to be a decade. They want it
• 37:42
  S2: to be a month. How do you sit in that?
• 37:46
  S11: We have to know scripture. We have to believe it.
• 37:49
  S11: If we're struggling, our struggle needs to be a struggle
• 37:52
  S11: that is ultimately leaning toward trust in God, rather than
• 37:58
  S11: leaning away from God in anger and bitterness. Okay, so
• 38:03
  S11: we might go, God, I just don't understand this. And
• 38:05
  S11: so as a result, I'm never going to spend any
• 38:08
  S11: more time with you or go to church ever again.
• 38:09
  S6: Yeah.
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  S11: That's wrong. It's God. I don't understand this. Why did
• 38:14
  S11: my child just die? Why did my husband just die
• 38:17
  S11: in a traffic accident? I don't understand this. I don't
• 38:21
  S11: see how any good could come out of this. Well, Lord,
• 38:24
  S11: I'm going to hang on to you. I'm going to
• 38:26
  S11: have you walk me through this. And I'm going to
• 38:29
  S11: lean on you and your people and prayer and scriptures
• 38:32
  S11: and the church, and I'm going to trust you to
• 38:35
  S11: get me through this. It seems to me that that's
• 38:37
  S11: those are some of the basics of what we need
• 38:39
  S11: to do in order to get through.
• 38:41
  S3: Michael Van Landingham rich conversation. And I know that you're
• 38:45
  S3: going to want to know where you can find more.
• 38:46
  S3: Just text van to 805 557898VAN. Just text van to
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• 38:57
  S1: Walking closer to Jesus every day. You're listening to Carl
• 39:01
  S1: and crew.
• 39:02
  S2: Alli. Can God do a miracle at a Chinese restaurant?
• 39:06
  S5: Yes he can.
• 39:08
  S2: Just making sure. Your thumbs up on that one.
• 39:11
  S3: The answer to can God do a miracle is yes.
• 39:14
  S3: No matter where you are.
• 39:16
  S2: There was a lecture by Doctor Wayne Grudem at Fellowship
• 39:20
  S2: Bible Church in Little Rock, Arkansas. I was on staff
• 39:22
  S2: there with Robert Lewis at the time, and as God
• 39:25
  S2: would have it, we had the privilege, my bride and I,
• 39:27
  S2: to go out to dinner with Doctor Grudem, and we
• 39:31
  S2: took him, the three of us, to cheese Chinese. And boy,
• 39:34
  S2: that was some good eating, let me tell you. Up
• 39:36
  S2: on a hill, and it was some good food. And
• 39:39
  S2: when we were there, Jeanine began to share her story
• 39:43
  S2: a little bit, and a story of incredible grace and
• 39:45
  S2: overcoming some health challenges. She had a real sticking point
• 39:48
  S2: with some autoimmune stuff, and Doctor Wayne Grudem said, well,
• 39:53
  S2: let's just take a moment here right now and I'll
• 39:56
  S2: never forget it. Where exactly we were sitting in that restaurant.
• 39:59
  S2: And what happened next was a prayer of healing for
• 40:02
  S2: Jeanine that resulted in healing for my bride, Janine.
• 40:05
  S9: Oh.
• 40:06
  S2: And she's hearing this right now, and she's probably rocked
• 40:09
  S2: at a core level. And she's hearing me introduce Doctor
• 40:12
  S2: Wayne Grudem. Wayne, I'm so grateful that you're here with
• 40:15
  S2: us today. I remember when I got my two leatherbound
• 40:18
  S2: copies of ESV Study Bible from you. What a great treat.
• 40:22
  S2: You know, you've learned a lot. You've run a lot
• 40:24
  S2: of laps in this race of faith. What what have
• 40:29
  S2: what have you learned most? What's on your heart today?
• 40:31
  S2: I'm going to leave it wide open for you right
• 40:33
  S2: now before we get some specific questions. What's the Spirit
• 40:36
  S2: of God prompting you to say to our listeners across
• 40:38
  S2: North America this morning, Wayne.
• 40:40
  S12: I think I'm in a period of time where the
• 40:43
  S12: Lord wants me to be more aware of his presence
• 40:46
  S12: and to, uh, recognize his presence with me throughout the day,
• 40:51
  S12: to know him and fellowship with him. And that's something
• 40:55
  S12: I think we always can grow in, grow deeper in.
• 40:58
  S3: Doctor Wayne Grudem, our guest right now serves as distinguished
• 41:01
  S3: research professor of theology and biblical Studies emeritus at Phoenix
• 41:05
  S3: Seminary in Arizona. And Carl also mentioned his work with
• 41:09
  S3: the ESV Study Bible, which I. My copy is weighs
• 41:13
  S3: about £50, I feel like. But boy do I love
• 41:17
  S3: and rely on the Word of God. Specifically the ESV
• 41:20
  S3: Study Bible. When we think about the church, both the
• 41:23
  S3: visible and the invisible church, can you make that distinction? How.
• 41:28
  S3: How should we understand the invisible and the visible church?
• 41:31
  S12: Well, you just think of a church building on Sunday
• 41:33
  S12: morning where the people are walking in and coming, sitting
• 41:36
  S12: in the pew. That's the visible church. That's the people
• 41:38
  S12: we see that are attending the church and participating in
• 41:41
  S12: its activities. But we don't see the the spiritual side
• 41:46
  S12: of people. We don't see what's going on in their hearts.
• 41:49
  S12: We don't see what's going on with the Holy Spirit
• 41:51
  S12: working in their lives. And we don't see that some
• 41:54
  S12: of them really haven't come to know God through Jesus Christ.
• 41:58
  S12: And they're maybe just visiting for the first time or
• 42:01
  S12: for the 10th time, curious about what's going on, but
• 42:04
  S12: haven't made a commitment to Christ. Wondering what about? What
• 42:08
  S12: should I do about trusting Christ or not? Well, they
• 42:11
  S12: are not part of the spiritual church, the invisible church.
• 42:16
  S12: The church as God sees it. They're part of the
• 42:18
  S12: visible church, as we, as the church, as we see it.
• 42:21
  S12: And we can see some evidence in people's lives one
• 42:25
  S12: way or another. But we're not sure. But God knows
• 42:28
  S12: who is is. And so there are people in every
• 42:31
  S12: church who, um, who know and love Jesus Christ. And
• 42:35
  S12: then there are others who aren't there yet. And we
• 42:38
  S12: pray for them and hope they come to Christ, but
• 42:40
  S12: they're not in the church as God understands it. Counting
• 42:44
  S12: the people who are born again.
• 42:45
  S2: Yeah. You know, Wayne Grudem, doctor Wayne Grudem is our
• 42:48
  S2: guest right now. Wayne, when we look at Matthew seven.
• 42:51
  S2: It's one of the passages we go to hear often
• 42:53
  S2: because it's our conviction and we've seen it that there are.
• 42:56
  S2: And I agree with Louie Giglio, who said a number
• 42:59
  S2: of years ago at an event in Atlanta that there
• 43:02
  S2: are millions of people that go to. Great Bible preaching
• 43:05
  S2: churches every weekend who have yet to be transformed by
• 43:08
  S2: the power of God. And we find that in Matthew
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  S2: seven many will say to me on that day I.
• 43:13
  S2: The amazing truth of that passage is that they preach
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  S2: in Jesus name, prophesy in his name, cast out demons
• 43:19
  S2: in his name, and do mighty works in his name.
• 43:21
  S2: But they don't know him. What's going on there, Wayne?
• 43:24
  S2: How is it that we in the West have such
• 43:27
  S2: a deception of salvation? And what can we do to
• 43:31
  S2: see this changed? Because it seems to be widespread? Church
• 43:36
  S2: attendance Churchianity, as it's often called, is not the real thing,
• 43:40
  S2: but a living, breathing relationship with God is. What's your
• 43:44
  S2: heart on that matter?
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  S12: Well, I understand it to mean there are times when
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  S12: God answers the prayers of unbelievers, and, uh, they may
• 43:54
  S12: be teaching from the Bible. And the Word of God
• 43:59
  S12: in itself has power to touch people's hearts and change
• 44:03
  S12: people's lives. So it's even possible for someone to be
• 44:06
  S12: bringing others to church and seeing some people say genuinely
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  S12: saved and maybe praying and having some prayers answered, but
• 44:15
  S12: they're not born again because God honors His word and
• 44:19
  S12: and sometimes answers the prayers of unbelievers. And so Jesus
• 44:23
  S12: can still say, that's the end of the passage you
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  S12: mentioned in Matthew seven, I will declare to them, I
• 44:29
  S12: never knew you. Depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.
• 44:33
  S12: I think, Carl, also, there will be some evidence in
• 44:35
  S12: people's lives if they're unbelievers, though, there will be some
• 44:39
  S12: harmful or destructive or unhelpful fruit that will come from
• 44:42
  S12: their activities in their conversations, maybe stirring up strife in
• 44:47
  S12: the church, dissension and division, spirit of criticism, other things
• 44:51
  S12: that don't reflect a life that's transformed by the Spirit
• 44:54
  S12: of God.
• 44:55
  S9: Yeah.
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  S3: Doctor Wayne Grudem, our guest right now. You know, when
• 44:58
  S3: we when we think about the church, the Bible uses
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  S3: metaphors often to help us give a picture of what
• 45:04
  S3: the church is like. Uh, branches on a vine or
• 45:07
  S3: an olive tree. How do we take these metaphors to
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  S3: really deepen our understanding of both the, as we mentioned,
• 45:13
  S3: the visible and the invisible church and how we are
• 45:15
  S3: to function in it.
• 45:18
  S12: Well, those different images or metaphors, uh, have different applications.
• 45:22
  S12: And that one that you just mentioned comes back to
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  S12: the question of daily minute by minute, hour by hour
• 45:28
  S12: fellowship with Jesus in John 15. He says, I am
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  S12: the vine, you are the branches. Whoever abides in me
• 45:35
  S12: and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit.
• 45:37
  S12: For apart from me you can do nothing. Whoever abides
• 45:40
  S12: in me to abide, to rest, just remain in the
• 45:44
  S12: presence of Jesus. If we do that, we bring forth
• 45:47
  S12: much fruit in our lives. And so that metaphor of
• 45:50
  S12: the vine and the branches teaches us not to stray
• 45:53
  S12: away from Jesus, but to remain in his presence, something
• 45:58
  S12: that I'm seeking to learn better every day.
• 46:02
  S2: Seeking to learn better every day. Doctor Wayne Grudem with us.
• 46:05
  S2: If you can hold on my brother for just a minute.
• 46:08
  S2: When we get back, I want us to tackle the
• 46:11
  S2: power of the spirit, because it is the fruit of
• 46:14
  S2: the spirit that we find in Galatians five that we're
• 46:17
  S2: called to produce in our life, not deeds of the flesh.
• 46:21
  S2: How are we filled with the spirit? The spirit was
• 46:25
  S2: my lost God until maybe 1520 years ago. And now
• 46:30
  S2: I understand not only the need to be filled by
• 46:33
  S2: the spirit, but walking in the spirit. What does that
• 46:36
  S2: look like? More with Doctor Wayne Grudem straight ahead.
• 46:40
  S1: Celebrating the unstoppable gospel.
• 46:43
  S4: It's not that I've got to fill in these check boxes,
• 46:45
  S4: so he's okay with me, but it's that I get
• 46:47
  S4: to stand close to him so that I can experience
• 46:50
  S4: the life that he has for me.
• 46:52
  S1: You're listening to Carl and crew. Groove.
• 46:55
  S2: What a treat. Boom crew with us. Doctor Wayne Grudem,
• 46:58
  S2: a terrific man of God, very knowledgeable in the original
• 47:01
  S2: languages and humble, you know, Doctor Grudem the Holy Spirit
• 47:07
  S2: for me, I think if I backtrack through this, I
• 47:11
  S2: went to Multnomah Bible College, great school, and then on
• 47:14
  S2: to Denver Seminary. I wrote doctrinal statements on the power
• 47:18
  S2: of the spirit. But he was my lost God. I
• 47:21
  S2: think there was a reaction, an overreaction to abuses of
• 47:25
  S2: the spirit. And that caused a lot of what kind
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  S2: of directed me. And a lot of the people that
• 47:29
  S2: I was even educated by and those that I hung
• 47:32
  S2: with my peers. But if you go to the scriptures,
• 47:35
  S2: you go to Galatians five, you go to Romans eight,
• 47:38
  S2: and I want to just sit on this one verse
• 47:39
  S2: for a moment here and have you comment on it.
• 47:42
  S2: For if you live according to the flesh, you will die,
• 47:45
  S2: says Paul. But if by the spirit, Holy Spirit, capital S,
• 47:49
  S2: you put to death the deeds of the body, you
• 47:53
  S2: will live. That is quite the promise, wouldn't you say, Wayne?
• 47:59
  S12: I think a lot of it has to do with
• 48:01
  S12: just pausing for a moment and be aware of what's
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  S12: happening in your in your heart, in your soul, in
• 48:09
  S12: the nonphysical part of our existence. Are we sensing the
• 48:14
  S12: presence of the Holy Spirit? Are we resting in his presence?
• 48:17
  S12: Abiding in Christ is another way of speaking of it.
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  S12: In John 15. But Paul says in Romans eight, as
• 48:25
  S12: you say, by the power of the spirit we put
• 48:26
  S12: to death the deeds of the flesh. We all are
• 48:29
  S12: making progress from one stage of growth in the Christian
• 48:34
  S12: life to the next, and it's by the Spirit's power
• 48:37
  S12: that we're able to make progress, not just our own
• 48:41
  S12: willpower or resolve or strength of determination, but resting in
• 48:46
  S12: the presence of the Holy Spirit who guides and leads us.
• 48:50
  S12: And I think if we just take a moment to
• 48:53
  S12: pause and say, now, what's going on in my heart?
• 48:56
  S12: What's going on in my spirit? We can often sense
• 48:58
  S12: the guidance of the Holy Spirit more frequently than we
• 49:01
  S12: generally have a habit of doing. I think we in
• 49:05
  S12: the Western society, tend to focus so much on externals,
• 49:10
  S12: on our actions and the things we can see and
• 49:13
  S12: hear and touch, and we're not as sensitive to the
• 49:17
  S12: invisible leading of the Holy Spirit in our hearts.
• 49:20
  S3: Doctor Wayne Grudem, our guest right now, a final question
• 49:23
  S3: I want you to give a charge to to the church,
• 49:26
  S3: to us as the body of Christ. You've seen a
• 49:29
  S3: lot over the years. You have been so intimately connected
• 49:32
  S3: with the Word of God. How now shall we live?
• 49:35
  S3: What's your charge to the church?
• 49:38
  S12: Be obedient to God's Word. Following after Jesus and doing
• 49:42
  S12: his will, seeking to follow him day by day. Understanding
• 49:46
  S12: that Jesus said in John 155, apart from me you
• 49:50
  S12: can do nothing. You're not going to accomplish any spiritual
• 49:52
  S12: good in this world unless we're following the guidance of
• 49:55
  S12: the Holy Spirit, being obedient to God and His Word, praying,
• 50:00
  S12: living in fellowship with other believers, worshiping, reading His Word,
• 50:04
  S12: just the ordinary disciplines of the Christian life.
• 50:07
  S2: You know, it's really funny, Wayne, because I so appreciate
• 50:10
  S2: you coming on. But at the end of the day,
• 50:12
  S2: you can explore all the scriptures from Genesis to Revelation.
• 50:16
  S2: It comes down to a simple few commitments. That humble
• 50:20
  S2: dependence on God, that awareness of what's going on inside
• 50:23
  S2: our spirit, as you said, and then walking with him.
• 50:26
  S2: Being led by him requires some quietness in the day,
• 50:30
  S2: some quietness in your heart. And I just want to
• 50:34
  S2: tell you, Wayne, how much I appreciate your ministry not
• 50:36
  S2: only to myself, but to many millions of others over
• 50:40
  S2: the years. And it's been rich, my friend, and I
• 50:42
  S2: appreciate you taking the time to come on today. You've
• 50:45
  S2: struggled with some health challenges, but you are soldiering on,
• 50:49
  S2: my friend. And you haven't lost your sense of humor yet,
• 50:51
  S2: have you? You've still got that intact?
• 50:55
  S12: I don't think so.
• 50:57
  S13: I, um.
• 50:58
  S12: I have a sense that you were hoping I could
• 51:01
  S12: impart to you some new spiritual secret that hadn't been
• 51:04
  S12: discovered yet.
• 51:07
  S13: I'm doing a thing.
• 51:09
  S12: I go back to the basics of the Christian life
• 51:12
  S12: Bible reading, prayer, waiting on the Lord, and just not
• 51:16
  S12: reading another verse, not saying another prayer request, but just
• 51:19
  S12: waiting and dwelling in his presence. Yeah, these things are
• 51:23
  S12: basic to the Christian life, and I don't think there's
• 51:25
  S12: any new hidden secret that we discover. We just practice
• 51:29
  S12: those old fashioned disciplines, and God will work in our
• 51:31
  S12: lives as he guides us, as we follow his guidance.
• 51:35
  S2: I love you, brother. Thank you for being with us,
• 51:37
  S2: Doctor Wayne Grudem. And we've got a link because there
• 51:40
  S2: is a ton of content here. You're going to want
• 51:44
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• 51:45
  S3: Our guest doctor Wayne Grudem just text Wayne to 805 557898.
• 51:51
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• 51:56
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• 51:59
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• 52:02
  S2: February 21st, 2018. I got chills right now. Uh. Heaven
• 52:06
  S2: welcomed a giant. The presence of God welcomed a giant
• 52:10
  S2: Billy Graham. What an amazing man of God. And we've
• 52:14
  S2: got his daughter here right now, Ruth and Anne Graham
• 52:18
  S2: Lotz is with us right now. And, oh, we're going
• 52:22
  S2: to tell a story about the impact of your dad's
• 52:25
  S2: passing on Moody Radio on our morning show that I
• 52:28
  S2: think is going to really encourage you, but you got
• 52:31
  S2: to talk about the goodness of God to give you
• 52:33
  S2: a daddy like Billy.
• 52:36
  S14: You know, it's very humbling. And I think it was
• 52:39
  S14: Psalm 16 that says, my lines have fallen pleasant, places low.
• 52:43
  S14: I have a goodly heritage. And you're exactly right. God
• 52:46
  S14: gave me that. It wasn't anything I had anything to
• 52:48
  S14: do with, you know?
• 52:48
  S9: It just he just.
• 52:50
  S14: Placed me in that family. And, and I'm very, very grateful. And,
• 52:53
  S14: and one of the things I'm most grateful for, Carl,
• 52:56
  S14: is my father's faithfulness to the gospel all of his
• 53:00
  S14: life until the day he went home and I. I
• 53:03
  S14: know I've heard my mother and father both just appreciate
• 53:06
  S14: Moody so much for the fact that Moody Bible Institute
• 53:10
  S14: and Moody Radio have been faithful to God's Word over
• 53:13
  S14: the years. You know, sometimes, um, you know, an institution
• 53:16
  S14: tends to sort of drift away and they drift left.
• 53:20
  S14: And moody has stayed true. So I applaud you all
• 53:23
  S14: for 100 years of faithfulness to the Word of God
• 53:26
  S14: and proclaiming it to people all across the world.
• 53:29
  S3: Yeah. It's been it's been an incredible week and was
• 53:32
  S3: celebrating all week long this 100 year anniversary and culminated
• 53:36
  S3: on Tuesday with a big full day birthday celebration. But
• 53:40
  S3: we want to take you back. Carl, I'm going to
• 53:42
  S3: let you, uh, explain that moment of February of what,
• 53:46
  S3: 2018 when there was a real shift? It was a
• 53:49
  S3: defining moment. We call it our defining moment of the
• 53:52
  S3: morning show.
• 53:53
  S2: Yeah. And when we say defining moment, we mean this.
• 53:58
  S2: And your dad's passing charted a course for us that
• 54:02
  S2: has resulted in Jonathan, you want to venture a guess
• 54:05
  S2: how many people have been impacted since that day?
• 54:08
  S4: Uh, it's it's probably close to about 3000 who have made, uh,
• 54:14
  S4: commitments to Jesus Christ either for the very first time
• 54:18
  S4: in their life or recognizing I thought I had a
• 54:20
  S4: relationship with Jesus and I didn't, and I want to now.
• 54:23
  S2: That's been many. So February 1st, I brought in Doctor
• 54:28
  S2: Erwin Lutzer the next day, and he gave the gospel.
• 54:33
  S2: And we decided, no, let's not just give the gospel.
• 54:37
  S2: Let's give an active call to respond. And then we
• 54:40
  S2: are going to start caring for these people who respond
• 54:43
  S2: that day alone, 400 people responded to the gospel and
• 54:48
  S2: it's never stopped. We've seen thousands of souls saved here.
• 54:52
  S2: And one of the things we're committed to and is
• 54:55
  S2: being clear with the gospel. One thing I love about
• 54:58
  S2: your dad's ministry, not only was he clear about the
• 55:01
  S2: nature of man that were sinners, that were born with
• 55:04
  S2: our backs to God, but the call to repentance, and
• 55:08
  S2: then his commitment to clarity. Because every one of those
• 55:12
  S2: who came forward at a Billy Graham crusade was followed
• 55:16
  S2: up with, this wasn't just walk an aisle and then
• 55:19
  S2: see you later, boy. He was committed to really making disciples,
• 55:23
  S2: wasn't he?
• 55:23
  S14: And he was. And they had a plan in place.
• 55:27
  S14: They put people in churches and had Bible studies that
• 55:30
  S14: they would plunge them into their little following Christ. A
• 55:33
  S14: little packet that they gave them when they came down
• 55:36
  S14: just helped them get into God's Word that they would
• 55:38
  S14: understand the commitment they made. Because like you said, it's
• 55:41
  S14: not just a one off, you know, you don't just
• 55:44
  S14: sign a card, you just don't walk forward and think,
• 55:46
  S14: that's it. That's the first step. And then you have
• 55:48
  S14: to grow in your relationship with God. And he did that.
• 55:51
  S14: It was the head of the navigators that helped him
• 55:53
  S14: design that course. And, and, and it was very effective,
• 55:57
  S14: I think. I've traveled all over the world, and I
• 55:59
  S14: meet so many people who've put their faith in Jesus
• 56:03
  S14: and who've, you know, just not only put their faith
• 56:05
  S14: in Jesus, but then grown in their faith to the
• 56:08
  S14: point that then they're, they're sharing their faith with others.
• 56:10
  S2: Yeah. It's amazing. What do you believe is the unseen
• 56:15
  S2: part of your daddy's legacy?
• 56:17
  S14: He's been examined so closely, I'm not sure there is
• 56:20
  S14: an unseen part of my father's legacy, unless it's just
• 56:23
  S14: the Holy Spirit himself. You know, it's the Holy Spirit
• 56:26
  S14: that moves in people's hearts. Just when you say there
• 56:29
  S14: are 3000 people who've responded, that's evidence of the Holy
• 56:32
  S14: Spirit moving. And I do believe, Carl, that we're in
• 56:35
  S14: a harvest time right now. You know, it's amazing that
• 56:39
  S14: you see that on college campuses. You see it across
• 56:42
  S14: the globe. People are responding to the gospel. And I
• 56:45
  S14: think as the world situation melts down and we're in
• 56:48
  S14: such a very critically strategic, dangerous time in the world,
• 56:54
  S14: people get concerned, they get afraid, and they start looking up,
• 56:57
  S14: and God uses that to draw them to himself. And
• 57:01
  S14: it's up to people like you and Allie and myself
• 57:04
  S14: and others to proclaim the gospel clearly. So. So they
• 57:07
  S14: know where to find the answer, where to find peace
• 57:09
  S14: in their hearts and hope for the future.
• 57:11
  S3: You already started to touch on it, but I'm going
• 57:13
  S3: to ask you to go a little further. In light
• 57:15
  S3: of the days that we are living in. We're living
• 57:17
  S3: in a harvest time. A lot of times we talk
• 57:19
  S3: about that people are far more ready to hear sometimes
• 57:23
  S3: than we are to share. Prepared to share. How do
• 57:26
  S3: we live in this moment as believers? For every person,
• 57:29
  S3: whether you have a platform or not? How do we
• 57:32
  S3: live faithfully in these times and speak to our listener?
• 57:36
  S14: Well, you know, I think first of all, you need
• 57:37
  S14: to make sure that you're maintaining your personal walk with
• 57:40
  S14: the Lord. So, so this morning, I've already been up early.
• 57:43
  S14: I've had my prayer time and Bible reading, and one
• 57:45
  S14: of the things I asked the Lord was to give
• 57:47
  S14: me opportunities. Today I have a doctor's appointment. I have
• 57:50
  S14: some media things to do and just asking me to
• 57:53
  S14: be aware of the people around me so that he
• 57:56
  S14: would give me those divine appointments. And sometimes it's just
• 57:59
  S14: a nurse in the doctor's office who needs prayer. I
• 58:02
  S14: had a nurse this last time. She was facing a
• 58:05
  S14: cancer diagnosis, and I just put her arms around her
• 58:08
  S14: and prayed for her. Sometimes it's if you go out
• 58:10
  S14: for a meal and when the server comes, you just
• 58:12
  S14: ask how you can pray for them as you. You
• 58:14
  S14: pray your blessing over your meal. Is there something you
• 58:17
  S14: can pray for them? I've had so many servers stay there,
• 58:20
  S14: put their hands out and let me hold their hands
• 58:22
  S14: while I prayed over them before we prayed for the meal.
• 58:25
  S14: So just little things like that, asking God to make
• 58:28
  S14: you aware of the people around you. And then you
• 58:32
  S14: don't have to have a, you know, we don't have
• 58:34
  S14: to be trained or, but just what's in your heart
• 58:36
  S14: should come out in your mouth. You know, if you
• 58:38
  S14: love Jesus, if he's been good to you, if he's
• 58:40
  S14: answered your prayers, then just share with other people what
• 58:43
  S14: he's meant to you.
• 58:44
  S2: Ian Graham Lotz is with us right now, Billy Graham's daughter. And,
• 58:48
  S2: and I, I'm curious about this because I had a
• 58:51
  S2: daddy that was incredibly rich in faith. And one of
• 58:54
  S2: the things that he would constantly do is he'd say, oh, oh, Carl,
• 58:58
  S2: the grace of God is so good. And as a
• 59:01
  S2: matter of fact, I was I was far from God.
• 59:03
  S2: When my dad went to a Billy Graham training session
• 59:06
  S2: in George Beverly Shea was there. And I wasn't walking
• 59:11
  S2: with Jesus young 20s, very reckless, living in Alaska, far
• 59:14
  S2: from God. And I saw tears just streaming down my
• 59:17
  S2: dad's face. There were things about my dad that I
• 59:19
  S2: only saw in private. What was your daddy like when
• 59:22
  S2: he came back from these crusades? What was going on?
• 59:25
  S2: Give us a peek inside the man behind the scenes.
• 59:29
  S14: You know, the man behind the scenes was the same
• 59:31
  S14: as the man in public. Actually, Carl, you know, there
• 59:34
  S14: weren't two of them. And, um. But he loved to relax.
• 59:37
  S14: He loved his comfortable jeans and his old sweaters and
• 59:42
  S14: soft shoes. He loved to walk up on the mountain.
• 59:45
  S14: He was very faithful, even as long as he could
• 59:48
  S14: be upright. You know, he walked on the mountain and
• 59:51
  S14: just exercised himself. He loved to sit in the chair
• 59:54
  S14: in the kitchen and talk to the people who would
• 59:56
  S14: come in to help with, whether it was with the
• 59:58
  S14: yard or with mother in the house or, you know,
• 1:00:00
  S14: he spent time on the phone and and he spent
• 1:00:03
  S14: time in his study, you know, preparing his messages. And
• 1:00:06
  S14: he was just he was at ease. He wasn't uptight.
• 1:00:09
  S14: I don't remember him coming home frustrated or uptight or
• 1:00:12
  S14: snapping at anybody or never. When he came, he was
• 1:00:17
  S14: he was thrilled to see my mother. It was really
• 1:00:18
  S14: sweet when when he walked into the room, she lit
• 1:00:20
  S14: up and he lit up. And, you know, they had
• 1:00:23
  S14: a really, uh, precious love relationship. And he was good
• 1:00:27
  S14: with us. And so he loved his dogs. He always
• 1:00:30
  S14: had a dog that he had either. As he got older,
• 1:00:33
  S14: the dog stayed in the room with him when he
• 1:00:35
  S14: was a younger mother wouldn't allow that. You know, she
• 1:00:37
  S14: made the dog stay outside. But he loved hiking the
• 1:00:40
  S14: mountain with the dogs, and he loved to feed them,
• 1:00:42
  S14: so he would take something from his plate. Goodness. I
• 1:00:45
  S14: remember when he had ribs and he would hand a
• 1:00:47
  S14: rib to one of the dogs, and or if he
• 1:00:49
  S14: had bacon in the morning, he would have people fix
• 1:00:51
  S14: extra bacon so he could feed the.
• 1:00:53
  S9: Dog, get some extra bacon.
• 1:00:55
  S14: Yeah. So, so he was, he was an animal person. He,
• 1:00:58
  S14: you know, and he just, he just relaxed. So I
• 1:01:01
  S14: had to have been a gift that God gave him,
• 1:01:03
  S14: that he could do the things he did and then
• 1:01:05
  S14: immediately come back and relax and, uh, shift gears.
• 1:01:09
  S3: And Graham Lotz, such a privilege to have you on.
• 1:01:12
  S3: It's been an incredible week. And because of the defining
• 1:01:16
  S3: moment of our morning show and how it evolved when your,
• 1:01:19
  S3: your dad's homegoing, and we appreciate you being on, on
• 1:01:21
  S3: this special week for Moody Radio and Graham Lotz. Just
• 1:01:24
  S3: text Graham if you want more on our website, free resources, devotionals, messages, study, prayer.
• 1:01:30
  S3: She's written extensively. Text Graham to 805 5557898 will get
• 1:01:36
  S3: you connected, just text Graham 805 557898.
• 1:01:42
  S1: This is Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
• 1:01:45
  S2: Okay, it's that time of day. Here it is. That
• 1:01:48
  S2: time of day. Take it away, Ali.
• 1:01:50
  S3: Well, we have someone on our team. A k a
• 1:01:53
  S3: young thunder Jonathan Reinke, who has a knack for finding
• 1:01:57
  S3: the spiritual lesson in just about anything you can think of.
• 1:02:02
  S2: Oh, those are high stakes you're putting there.
• 1:02:04
  S3: That's what he does. It's called make it a metaphor.
• 1:02:08
  S1: Finding nuggets of truth in everyday life.
• 1:02:11
  S15: It's a metaphor. It's just a metaphor, dude. That's a metaphor.
• 1:02:14
  S15: It's a metaphor.
• 1:02:15
  S16: I know it's a metaphor.
• 1:02:16
  S1: It's time for making a metaphor with young thunder.
• 1:02:21
  S2: And our storyteller today is none other than super dime.
• 1:02:29
  S5: Well. Thank you. Well, this past Monday in the Chicagoland area,
• 1:02:32
  S5: we had some very severe storms come through. It's 2:00
• 1:02:35
  S5: in the afternoon. I'm driving home and it might as
• 1:02:37
  S5: well have been midnight. I mean, and debris is everywhere.
• 1:02:39
  S5: So I'm driving home, hands on the wheel. It's dark.
• 1:02:42
  S5: It's just so bad. And I have never had my
• 1:02:45
  S5: phone go off this many times before. I'm thinking, what
• 1:02:49
  S5: on earth? Scam scam scam keeps popping up. Unknown. I
• 1:02:52
  S5: know there had to be eight calls. Eight calls. And
• 1:02:54
  S5: I'm like. And normally there's on your screen, you can
• 1:02:57
  S5: hit this button. It says delete, get it out of there,
• 1:02:59
  S5: you know, kind of thing, but I couldn't. So everything
• 1:03:01
  S5: kept scrolling messages and I'm just because, you know, my
• 1:03:03
  S5: hands are in the wheel. So just with everything, it's
• 1:03:05
  S5: just aggravating. I finally get home. I pull, you know,
• 1:03:08
  S5: pull in, I take a breath, take a prayer. I'm like, okay.
• 1:03:11
  S5: And then I like, I think on my phone and
• 1:03:12
  S5: I grab it. I'm like, delete, delete, delete. I'm just
• 1:03:14
  S5: racing through all these like calls I came through just
• 1:03:17
  S5: aggravating me on the way home with this lovely commute.
• 1:03:20
  S5: And I go to press a button and just in
• 1:03:23
  S5: an instant I catch two words pet link. Now let
• 1:03:27
  S5: me back up a little bit. Super Bowl Sunday we
• 1:03:31
  S5: lost our long time pet. It got out. Our cat,
• 1:03:34
  S5: Percy accidentally got out of the door. They found Percy.
• 1:03:38
  S9: Oh. Super dog.
• 1:03:40
  S5: I bought the stress of the drive. The stress of everything.
• 1:03:44
  S5: I start bawling, I'm calling Pet Link. I got the
• 1:03:46
  S5: lady crying because she's. You know, she has to confirm
• 1:03:49
  S5: it to me. Whatever. Whatever. A three way call. We
• 1:03:51
  S5: get in touch. Even in the storm that night, I
• 1:03:53
  S5: pick up my son from work because this was his baby.
• 1:03:56
  S5: We got this cat during Covid. It was his baby.
• 1:03:58
  S5: We go to pick it up. Long story short, Percy
• 1:04:01
  S5: is home.
• 1:04:02
  S3: After how long?
• 1:04:03
  S5: Five and a half. It'll be. It'll be. It would've
• 1:04:05
  S5: been six months next week.
• 1:04:07
  S9: What?
• 1:04:07
  S4: That's incredible.
• 1:04:08
  S9: Percy.
• 1:04:08
  S2: Percy was.
• 1:04:09
  S3: Percy is home.
• 1:04:11
  S5: I took him to the vet, and he is in surprisingly,
• 1:04:13
  S5: you know, lost some weight, but in good shape. He
• 1:04:15
  S5: had a couple cuts, but nothing. He is.
• 1:04:17
  S9: In.
• 1:04:18
  S5: Even the vet was surprised how good of shape he
• 1:04:21
  S5: was in.
• 1:04:22
  S4: Man that's incredible.
• 1:04:24
  S5: We got Percy home.
• 1:04:26
  S9: Oh.
• 1:04:27
  S5: I almost deleted that message. And my friend's like, well,
• 1:04:29
  S5: they would have called you back. I said, but you
• 1:04:31
  S5: don't understand. That was the first message. That was the.
• 1:04:33
  S5: I almost deleted that first message of Percy coming back home.
• 1:04:37
  S2: Well, I'm so in awe over this story. I almost
• 1:04:38
  S2: forgot what we're doing here.
• 1:04:39
  S9: It's called.
• 1:04:40
  S2: A.
• 1:04:40
  S9: Metaphor.
• 1:04:41
  S2: With Jonathan. Jonathan, make it a metaphor, man.
• 1:04:44
  S4: Yeah. You know, I, I can't help but to think
• 1:04:46
  S4: of anything else other than Luke 15 verse. Starting in
• 1:04:49
  S4: verse four, Jesus says, suppose one of you has a
• 1:04:52
  S4: hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn't he leave
• 1:04:54
  S4: the 99 in the open country and go after the
• 1:04:56
  S4: lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it,
• 1:04:59
  S4: he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes goes home.
• 1:05:02
  S4: He calls his friends and neighbors together and says, rejoice
• 1:05:05
  S4: with me. I have found my lost sheep. I tell
• 1:05:07
  S4: you that in the same way there will be more
• 1:05:09
  S4: rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over
• 1:05:12
  S4: 99 righteous persons who do not need to repent. I
• 1:05:17
  S4: think that Jesus did the make it a metaphor today
• 1:05:20
  S4: because there is a joy in the lost being found.
• 1:05:26
  S9: Amen.
• 1:05:27
  S4: And God knows that, and he rejoices over us in
• 1:05:31
  S4: the same way. And as we're talking about the goodness
• 1:05:33
  S4: of God today, let's remember the days in which we
• 1:05:38
  S4: were lost, the days in which we were lost and
• 1:05:41
  S4: like super die. Jesus never stopped putting out the, the,
• 1:05:45
  S4: the EPA for us, the, the looking for us that
• 1:05:47
  S4: he's out on the move searching. And let's remember the
• 1:05:51
  S4: day he finally found us and the rejoicing that came
• 1:05:54
  S4: from that.
• 1:05:55
  S2: Percy and the sheep.
• 1:05:56
  S9: Wow, wow.
• 1:05:59
  S3: What a great story. What a great metaphor.
• 1:06:02
  S4: The parable of the lost Percy.
• 1:06:04
  S3: Leaves home unbelievable.
• 1:06:06
  S5: And he's very happy. He's very happy.
• 1:06:08
  S9: Sure he is. Sure. He's been out fighting.
• 1:06:11
  S2: For.
• 1:06:11
  S9: Food.
• 1:06:11
  S5: Well, they warned me that, you know, their personality. They
• 1:06:14
  S5: can change sometimes after that long, almost six months. They
• 1:06:16
  S5: don't know. But no, he acclimated instantly.
• 1:06:19
  S9: That's awesome.
• 1:06:20
  S4: He said.
• 1:06:20
  S9: I'm back. I'm.
• 1:06:21
  S5: I'm back.
• 1:06:22
  S2: I ain't going on no more runners.
• 1:06:23
  S9: No.
• 1:06:24
  S2: Next open door. I'm gonna.
• 1:06:26
  S9: Let.
• 1:06:26
  S4: That.
• 1:06:26
  S9: Thing.
• 1:06:26
  S2: Shut.