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Ep. 3785 The HIDDEN TRUTH About TRUMP'S Leadership Strategy REVEALED!!! · Turley Talks

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[SPEAKER_01]: The liberal globalist order is on its brink and awakening a new conservative age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dr. Steve Turley joined me every day as we discover answers to today's toughest challenges and explore the re-bondalization of conservative civilization.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is Turley Talks.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey gang, it's me, Dr. Steve, and I want to do a little something different today.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't think I've ever actually done this before in the channel, and this is really interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: As you know, we spend a lot of time analyzing politics and culture, reacting to headlines breaking down decisions, exposing contradictions, but have you ever stopped and wondered why so many political leaders seem to act so irrationally and so inconsistently?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Think about it, whether it's Trump derangedments syndrome or just the way certain politicians react automatically to anything Trump does or even, you know, how figures on the right suddenly turn on one another.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You look at it and you think, what the heck's going on here?
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[SPEAKER_01]: These aren't stupid people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're smart.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're powerful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're highly educated.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So why do they say things so often that make so little sense?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why do they contradict themselves?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Why do they sell sabotage?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Usually I'm reacting to events, but today I wanted to dig a little deeper beneath ideology, beneath party politics and ask a more fundamental question.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's actually driving these leaders from the inside?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's why I'm so excited about today's conversation going by Dave Weedes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's a counselor who works closely with leaders and he's the author of the book The Spiritually Healthy Leader.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Dave helps leaders understand what he calls their ruling passions, the deeper motivations that govern how people think decide and act often without them even realisings can be absolutely fascinating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So Dave, welcome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Great to have you here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thank you Steve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's great to be with you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's an honor to have you.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So you work with leaders behind the scenes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When we see leaders making decisions that at least for us seem irrational or inconsistent, what's usually going on beneath the surface?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think you have to look at what does the leader say his values are and what are the real values?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are the motivations of the heart?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we often talk about the values that we have, but there's often a great disparity between what we say and then what in fact is happening, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are the real values that are the drivers?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's really revealed more by what we do than what we say.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So all of us, including our political leaders, make decisions based on motives of the heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when you see the decisions that contradict the values, that clues you into what the true value is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So just in politics, many leaders, as well as media, I was thinking about this media, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're driven by a result oriented narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: not by the truth.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's the narrative that controls and what's controlling the narrative, it's the mode of the heart, what's really going on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, you mentioned, so talk about the issue, the heart, you talk about to the uses term ruling passion, which I love, but what does that mean in plain language here?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I define a ruling passion as that, which we most passionately pursue above all other things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Another way to say it is what are our ultimate commitments in our heart and in our life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the answer to that question really reveals the idols of our heart and it can say that
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if you ask, for example, believers, you say, what are you most passionate about?
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to say something like the Bible or Jesus or God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If you ask politicians, what are you most passionate about?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most politicians are going to say, well, I got into this to help people or to make life better, to make our country better, to make the community better.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But,
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you peel back the layers of our hearts and ask and find out what are you really most passionate about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's to often things like this being successful, getting love, being affirmed, getting being in control.
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[SPEAKER_00]: be getting respect, adventure, avoiding rejection, things like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those those desires are not inherently wrong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And in fact, they can be God-given, but when they become primary motors of the heart and ultimate commitments, they function as idols and can rule us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Is that why so we see so often leaders contradict their stated values, particularly on the campaign trail once they get into power?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the reasons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Or there's a narrative that's driving them and don't bother me with the facts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to stick to the narrative.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We see that every single day in the news, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And see people doing that all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, what are some of the, what kinds of ruling passions tend to show up most often in particularly political leadership?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I wouldn't think in political leadership would be things like this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want, I want to be admired.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to have impact.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be in control.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be powerful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'll be respected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are kind of subtle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe not so subtle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ruling passions that
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that would be the primary motivation and what you would see would be people who would say, hey, I'm just here to serve the people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just here to help.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But the ruling passion is really driving them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny when you're the way you're talking, it that would mean that we're in effect dealing with the same show we say passion pattern across both the left and the right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just manifesting itself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those passions, if I'm tracking with you correctly, those passions are simply manifesting themselves differently.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the passions themselves,
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[SPEAKER_01]: are the same, whether it's the political left or political right, am I tracking with you correctly?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you're tracking with me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Everyone, whether you're on the left or right or wherever you are, we have longings, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have, we have God-given longings like affirmation for example.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you think about a kid who's a daddy, watch me, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He belongs to affirmation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a good thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The trouble is when they become ultimate commitments in our life or really passions, they can become distorted, disordered, and they end up driving us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And here's the danger.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We can manipulate others or try to manipulate the truth in order to get our ruling passion met.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So if I am most concerned with getting affirmation from you, how am I going to behave toward you or getting you to respect me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So then it become, I can become manipulative and not even know it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever, I'll throw you a little curveball here.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Have you ever done a study on, or reflected on the passions in, say, J.R.R.
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[SPEAKER_01]: tokens, the load of the rings, just with the desire of power and the ring, and the way it literally destroyed Gollum at the end.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then, you know, in some kind of mysterious force,
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[SPEAKER_01]: that force God, what have you just used that uncontrollable passion to actually destroy the ring interestingly enough, because he could throw it, I couldn't give it up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Has the great observation, and I haven't really thought that through, but that it's great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But you know, think about this, like I work a lot with pastors.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have an organization called Serving Leaders Ministries.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we have pastors, ministry leaders who would say, hey, I want to be faithful to my wife.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to be faithful to God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's always in the news that we hear somebody's falling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the question becomes, why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, that's the question I'm always dealing with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why am I doing that, which is antithetical to what I believe, to my heart, to God, I self-sabotage?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the answer to often is, because we don't know what's really driving us, we don't know what our ruling passion is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm willing to do anything to get that ruling passion satisfied, even go outside of the values that I have or what scripture would say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and that's the subtitle of your your book, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: This the idea of self sabotage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's what it is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I find so fascinating because again, it it seems
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm listening to this, and I've just got all these token images of my head.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The idea of how do you turn the passions from enslavement to freedom?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It seems to you, that's like the undercurrent drama that you're uncovering.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There's a passion that leads to freedom, but there are passions, of course, that ironically enslave us.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When you take a good thing and make it an ultimate thing, that's when it becomes problematic, that's when it becomes trouble, and it becomes idle in our heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so, you know, when I say, hey, listen, I just wanna help people, that sounds really good and that is a good thing, but when that becomes ultimate in my life, what will I do in order to fulfill that?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will I lie?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will I cheat?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Will I steal?
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[SPEAKER_00]: In order to quote, help people?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In a sense, we kind of just politically we saw that with USAID when it was uncovered that it was just, you know, human compassion and and for for the suffering of others that legit like international suffering of others was used as a venerna cover for you know self profit and that's yeah, that's pretty.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't, I don't taxpayer expense, too, to make it even worse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so the danger is not knowing what your passions are, what your ruling passion is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I can say all day long, look, my passion is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I love God.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I want to serve him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But if, if I don't know that my ruling passion really is something else, right, then that's where we get into self sabotage or sabotaging our relationships.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, our jobs are ministries and look, the newspapers are filled with people who are falling in close.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So sad.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Veronica nature of the passions in that sense.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How does a person's worldview shape, which passions end up ruling them?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, as a Christian, I want my worldview, my view of God, my view of purpose, my view of meaning, the gospel, to be informed by the truth as defined by what God's word says about things, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: So I personally want the Lordship of Christ in my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: If my worldview is informed by secular values, then my passions are going to be shaped by those exact values of success, of power, admiration, greed, whatever it is,
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[SPEAKER_00]: and they'll be antithetical to really what's in best interest of yourself and and God is in self actually.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the human flourishing, yeah, they become very, they stifle that kind of human flourishing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I came that you might be free, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And free indeed, you know, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: So obviously, this is, and this is what I find so interesting here, IQ, intelligence, right, professional status and so forth, these, these don't protect leaders from self-savita.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If anything, I take it, it can contribute to the bondages it were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so because you can be blinded by your own intelligence or your perceived good intentions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most of us are walking around, even the people who we would say are on the political side that we're not on, right, not where the left, nobody is walking around.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Most of the time saying, I'm going to do evil, it's more like, oh, I have the best intentions in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But to protect ourselves from self-sabotized, we need to understand what our ruling passions are.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What drives me?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What informs me, what is the motivation of my heart and to understand that I can actually be motivated by a stronger desire to be admired, to be in control or to be respected.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so intelligence or experience does not exempt us from those things.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have to cultivate awareness and honesty and be in love with the truth, really.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I read a, wasn't a study so much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was a summary of a study that found that,
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[SPEAKER_01]: actually people with higher IQs, higher intelligence are harder to deal with in this area because because they can employ that IQ in that, not acumen to defend themselves and get around your arguments and all that kind of stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they're actually harder to do it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Steve, we have a capacity for self-deception.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can lie to myself about myself and my motives and not even see it so we can be blinded.
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[SPEAKER_02]: right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you know, one balance, I mean, I get this all the time from our viewers, you know, who it's just so easy to become cynical, towards all these, you know, so cold leaders, you know, that kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And we're talking, you know, we do, we are going through
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[SPEAKER_01]: as you know, a real populist revolt, it's going on all over the world.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's not just here where we, where populations have increasingly lost confidence and trust in their leadership, politics is just one area.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The, the, the pulpit versus the pew, they're experiencing that right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So, you know, how can people avoid becoming cynical?
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[SPEAKER_01]: While still being clear-eyed about leadership failures.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's having a realistic view of one's own heart and the mankind, for example.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We need to understand that every one of us is a sinner and has capacity not only to do great evil but to deceive ourselves about our own inclinations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I think it's so as Nishin who said something like the line between good and evil, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't run through the...
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[SPEAKER_00]: other politicians it runs through my heart right heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's no leader who's not subject to temptation to have a ruling passion that is antithetical to truth or antithetical to God's calling or to walk in accordance with God and his will.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For me personally you know I founded serving leader ministries almost 20 years ago.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and I've worked with ministry leaders all over the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I've seen some of the most horrendous kinds of abuse and behavior and evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet I'm not cynical because I understand what sin is and that I understand how twisted we can be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I'm not saying, everybody there, I know how twisted I can be, but I also don't understand the gospel and the power of God to change our lives.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that gives me hope, but I'm never surprised.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I've heard the most,
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[SPEAKER_00]: weirdest horrible things in my office.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And yet I just, okay, that's exactly what God said about our hearts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there is a redemptive aspect here that keeps me from being cynical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, I love that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: A redemptive aspect that keeps you from being cynical.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It would be like, I've heard people say, I've given up on the church or that was something like that because of the very real hypocrisy that we all have.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, sure.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But they also tend to be conservative.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I'll be like, it sounds to me like you're arguing like a leftist.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You're blaming racism on a race.
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[SPEAKER_01]: right right you're you're you're trying to concentrate sin as it were in a particular place when in point of fact that place is under the dominion of sin and you're missing that it's a respecter of none as it were and I guess but it is you know this is but I mean we saw it and obviously in
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[SPEAKER_01]: Corinthians, you know, it's just from the very beginning we've always found that stumbling to the kingdom is the ultimate kingdom is is the way forward.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We don't we don't strut.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's not a cliche to say that the church is a hospital for sinners.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, we use the word sin and that we don't really understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, but what that means when people hurt me, that when people do bad things, that's what we're talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like the reality of that is important to understand.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what keeps me from saying, oh, I'm leaving the church, you know, I'm giving up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because you will, you are going to meet some pretty corrupt doctors over the years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hopefully you won't give up on hospitals.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I did a video today on, I don't know if you saw Dave, what, there was two nurses.
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[SPEAKER_01]: that we're wishing very much ill, one on Caroline Levitt, and the other one was advocating actually poisoning ice agents.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They were putting up TikTok videos.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've been reprimand, obviously, relieved duties as it were.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They've both been fired.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But again, I haven't seen anyone come out and say, well, I'm not going to a hospital anymore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, it's more, it's more a melody of the heart, not the institution, per se.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's think more positively.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What does it look like when a leader's motivations are properly ordered?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's, I was really impressed with J.D.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Vance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: When he was talking about ordered loves, I'm not to be a jerk, but you know, given the last vice president we had, I was like, wow, you know, he starts mentioning Aquinas and all that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, but you know, that I was really excited to see that I was also surprised at how many, you know, so called Christian leaders, they obviously attend to be on the lap.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't even seem to be familiar with the concept, but I mean it's see this is something that the church is reflected on for centuries.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so from your vantage point, what does it look like when a leader's motivations, their loves are properly ordered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it looks like I think in a very practical level, recognizing the capacity that I have for evil for sin and also being aware of the motivations of my own heart and then reordering the desires of my heart to love God and obey God and his calling on my life.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I can see through a biblical world view.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what am I called to do?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm called to walk in truth and love people.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Love people, what does that look like?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have any capacity to do it on my own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Matter of fact, my tendency is towards sin.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is toward rebellion.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And therefore, to be able to come before God and say, God, will you change my heart?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And would you let me love what you love?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let me pursue truth, regardless of where the truth takes me, because I want to be a lover of truth, a lover of God, and be able to have an open heart to God to say, transform me first and foremost.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, you know, again, I'm also thinking of just when I get asked questions about, you know, how do I?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've been asked a lot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do I not hate a lot of these political opponents?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know, you're drawing what you're drawing out it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I wish I could articulate it the way you did.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I basically said, look, I think it's okay to hate what they do, but you can't hate the person, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But the moment you do that, then all of a sudden,
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[SPEAKER_01]: I've heard it put it best, forgiveness is for the forgiveness, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You start eating yourself alive when you start hating.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so it's self sabotage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Literally.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If there are one takeaway, you want people to have when they watch political leaders like that, what would it be?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think two things, one thing that we did, just some of you responded when you said, I think when we see people,
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[SPEAKER_00]: that we quote hate or, you know, on the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think what happens if you can develop compassion and always ask the question, what is happening?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why is this person engaging in this behavior?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like what happened in their life to make this important?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because I like to say, all behavior makes sense when you understand context.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the context may be misperseived, it may be off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But there's a reason why people do what they do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then I see myself, look, I got my own faults.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see somebody do some stupid.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I can give you five more times stupid than my own heart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So the one takeaway I would say is, it would be that there's redemption, and there's transformation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And when we go to God and say God, I can't do it, but you can.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we give an information to change our hearts and transform our hearts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's real, and that's lasting, and it can happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, that's awesome.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What a ministry you have, Dave Jay, incredible.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Gang, make sure to click on the link below, get Dave's wonderful book, the Spiritual Healthy Leader, it'd be a great gift for yourself, pastor, or leader in your life.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Boy, I could take the talk to you for hours.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is awesome stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thanks for being with us and God's richest blessings on your ministry.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dave, thank you so much and his richest blessings I knew as well.
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