Latest / The M&M Experience / M&M Extra MAY 11, 2026: Voting Rights and Redistricting
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- 0:01Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
- 0:05Speaker 1: of talk show experience, an extension of the magic they've
- 0:09Speaker 1: created together on radio in the phenomenon called M and
- 0:13Speaker 1: M Hot Topics in the News and Wisdom from Light.
- 0:16Speaker 1: It's Mark Davis and Mike Gallagher. This is eminem Extra.
- 0:23Speaker 2: So let's do the old proverbial pulling back the curtain
- 0:25Speaker 2: here for a Monday because I have to ask a
- 0:29Speaker 2: real world question in real time, because we're learning this,
- 0:32Speaker 2: mister Davis together. This is an adventure that we're all
- 0:36Speaker 2: we're embarking on this podcast and we're live on YouTube.
- 0:39Speaker 2: Can I share with you what makes me nervous?
- 0:42Speaker 3: Sure?
- 0:43Speaker 2: Waiting six minutes after our scheduled airtime that was largely
- 0:48Speaker 2: on me. Here's the turnaround. I get done at eleven
- 0:52Speaker 2: fifty eight Eastern, and then we're supposed to start at noon.
- 0:56Speaker 2: I wonder if we're I wonder if this is an
- 0:58Speaker 2: exercise in futility.
- 1:00Speaker 3: I don't think so. One of the first things people
- 1:01Speaker 3: need to understand is when we talk about the charm
- 1:03Speaker 3: of eminem Extra being untethered to the clock, not only
- 1:07Speaker 3: does that mean that there's no firm time when we stop.
- 1:10Speaker 3: There's also apparently no firm time when we begin. So
- 1:12Speaker 3: here's the thing. When when everybody glombs in at noon,
- 1:16Speaker 3: what do people see a few moments ago on YouTube
- 1:19Speaker 3: just our head.
- 1:19Speaker 2: They see the slot, Yeah, the the graphic that good
- 1:23Speaker 2: eminem extract wife, which.
- 1:25Speaker 3: Is called my Wonderful Wife Lisa plus some AI. So
- 1:28Speaker 3: but then I had to reboot the camera in here
- 1:31Speaker 3: and which apparently I might need to do again. I
- 1:33Speaker 3: have no idea about. Let's let us let us press
- 1:36Speaker 3: forward all as well. It is a boy boy. Is
- 1:39Speaker 3: it a monday or is it not?
- 1:40Speaker 2: It is a monday. Let me let me tell you
- 1:42Speaker 2: my day? Can I tell you my day? Please please?
- 1:46Speaker 2: I'm sitting here in front of a microphone. I'm in
- 1:48Speaker 2: South Carolina, zooming along, just doing redistricting stuff, which is important,
- 1:54Speaker 2: talking about the new trend according to the Washington Post,
- 1:57Speaker 2: somebody needs to do it, meaning killing Donald Trump. So
- 2:01Speaker 2: just this weighty stuff, important stuff, real and not a
- 2:06Speaker 2: single phone call. Now I'm looking up at the screen. Look,
- 2:09Speaker 2: I don't know how what you use as your barometers
- 2:12Speaker 2: or your parameters, but do you do you react to
- 2:15Speaker 2: the way the show is The talk show is unfolding
- 2:18Speaker 2: based on your phone volume.
- 2:21Speaker 3: I have at times. Here's here's what I've I've learned.
- 2:28Speaker 3: If you say something and the phones light up, then
- 2:32Speaker 3: clearly it has resonated. If you say something and they don't,
- 2:37Speaker 3: it does. The converse is not always true. It is
- 2:41Speaker 3: not always the case that you have something that has
- 2:44Speaker 3: that is a dud or that has not resonated. Sometimes
- 2:47Speaker 3: there's something that people leap to and feel like they
- 2:50Speaker 3: need to address in detail. Other times they have absorbed it.
- 2:54Speaker 3: They're driving around, they're listening to it. They have reacted,
- 2:58Speaker 3: just not in a way that necessarily involves having to
- 3:01Speaker 3: talk to you about it. If that's interesting.
- 3:03Speaker 4: So my.
- 3:05Speaker 2: Career is all And I think sometimes I get too
- 3:08Speaker 2: fixated on phone volume because I watch the phone lines
- 3:12Speaker 2: like a hawk. And if I throw something out and
- 3:15Speaker 2: I don't feel like it's getting good phone response, I
- 3:19Speaker 2: think audience probably isn't isn't into it the way I
- 3:22Speaker 2: think they are. So today hours go by without a call. Now,
- 3:27Speaker 2: according to Talker's magazine, I have between seven and eight
- 3:30Speaker 2: and a half million weekly listeners.
- 3:32Speaker 3: It is to be a stunning level of disinterest.
- 3:36Speaker 2: Like like like I'm done, Like I need a career change,
- 3:40Speaker 2: like I need to turn around and think about my
- 3:42Speaker 2: career life, my career options. And Eric, finally, frantically, at
- 3:46Speaker 2: about with about fifteen minutes left to go in the show,
- 3:50Speaker 2: Eric says, oh my gosh, the phones don't work. I
- 3:53Speaker 2: just tested it, and you're getting there's a rapid busy
- 3:56Speaker 2: nobody can call. First of all, I wanted to give
- 3:59Speaker 2: them a hug because I've oh, well, good, maybe I'm
- 4:01Speaker 2: not all washed up as a talk show hosts. Yeah.
- 4:04Speaker 2: So that was that was my That was my day.
- 4:07Speaker 2: And then of course the the all the horror stories
- 4:10Speaker 2: of the chemotherapy cream that doctor Demento, my my new dermatologist,
- 4:16Speaker 2: wants me to smear on my forehead that turn me
- 4:18Speaker 2: into Count Dracula on a bend, on a bender. I mean,
- 4:22Speaker 2: this is a so don't do medical advice on X
- 4:24Speaker 2: you and I talked about it this morning on your show.
- 4:26Speaker 2: Don't ask for social media medical advice you will get.
- 4:29Speaker 3: You will get a pictures. You know, it's kind of funny.
- 4:31Speaker 3: You will get pictures, which does lead me to an
- 4:34Speaker 3: interesting thing that people have in the world of social media.
- 4:37Speaker 3: Just in perusing Facebook among friends of mine, acquaintances of
- 4:41Speaker 3: mine and I do zero political on Facebook. I mean
- 4:44Speaker 3: personal Facebook. I mean the show, of course, show has
- 4:47Speaker 3: a side blah blah blah. But as far as person that,
- 4:50Speaker 3: I got a talk show, I got Twitter for political things.
- 4:52Speaker 3: As far as me my personal life on Facebook, nothing
- 4:55Speaker 3: just people, I know, friends, pet pictures, you know, how's
- 4:58Speaker 3: your cousin, et cetera. I will notice that among the
- 5:02Speaker 3: the hundreds or so people who I've chosen to interact
- 5:05Speaker 3: with at that level, there is a a. I don't
- 5:08Speaker 3: think it's anything I would necessarily have. Tell me if
- 5:10Speaker 3: you would have you ever gotten some procedure or something,
- 5:14Speaker 3: had something happen to you in terms of some injury,
- 5:17Speaker 3: and chosen to take a picture of it and post
- 5:19Speaker 3: it like, hey broke my foot, Hey uh just got
- 5:23Speaker 3: my head open up for some procedure. And then I
- 5:27Speaker 3: mean people do this routinely. There is this oversharing. Is
- 5:32Speaker 3: this TM man, But.
- 5:34Speaker 2: It's I don't know, I don't know if it's TMI
- 5:37Speaker 2: too much over sharing. Look, that's the phenomenon. We're in. Oh,
- 5:40Speaker 2: look as my here's my breakfast, Look at my omelet?
- 5:43Speaker 3: Oh just in a sandwich?
- 5:45Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, here's my sam sandwich. Did I put enough
- 5:47Speaker 2: mayonnaise on it. So I stupidly say, my dermatologist wants
- 5:51Speaker 2: me to smear this cream on my fore on my
- 5:54Speaker 2: temple where I have some some sun damaged spots, and
- 5:57Speaker 2: then he sends me the tube and it comes with
- 6:00Speaker 2: an instruction manual that sounds like something right out of
- 6:03Speaker 2: the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. It says that my skin is
- 6:07Speaker 2: going to start boiling and bubbling and sizzling.
- 6:10Speaker 3: Or is it just the disclaimers, because we've all seen
- 6:13Speaker 3: the ad a thirty second AD where half of the
- 6:16Speaker 3: ad is the great things that'll do for you, and
- 6:18Speaker 3: the other half is may cause death, urge to gamble
- 6:21Speaker 3: or restless leg syndroma, And it's like, but they just
- 6:23Speaker 3: kind of have to do that to avoid getting sued.
- 6:25Speaker 2: As best I can tell you, absolutely will have a
- 6:29Speaker 2: severe skin reaction, which means that it's healing. In other words,
- 6:33Speaker 2: the sun spots which you don't want to turn into
- 6:36Speaker 2: skin cancer down the road, are getting obliterated by this treatment.
- 6:41Speaker 2: I mean, it's a chemotherapy drug. It's literally and now
- 6:44Speaker 2: now again, doctor Demento didn't tell me anything about this.
- 6:47Speaker 2: He didn't tell me it was a chemotherapy cream. He
- 6:50Speaker 2: didn't tell me my skin is going to erupt as
- 6:52Speaker 2: it gets healing and all that, and it's weeks long.
- 6:55Speaker 2: It is a weeks long process. This is in a
- 6:57Speaker 2: couple of days.
- 6:58Speaker 3: And what is it again? It has a name like
- 7:00Speaker 3: a Star Trek characters to lock Tolock wasn't to look
- 7:04Speaker 3: in season one on the on the Planet with a
- 7:06Speaker 3: piece on the five.
- 7:07Speaker 2: Her name is Jessica, I think over on the five
- 7:09Speaker 2: on Fox. Oh no, that's Tarlov. To look t O
- 7:12Speaker 2: L A K. You want to look it up, and
- 7:14Speaker 2: then you have to see the pictures of people trying
- 7:17Speaker 2: to encourage me saying, look, Mike, this one so bad
- 7:19Speaker 2: guy looks like like like a character in a in
- 7:22Speaker 2: a horror movie and it's like got everything but oozing
- 7:26Speaker 2: postules and I don't want that. No, no, I'm not
- 7:30Speaker 2: doing it.
- 7:31Speaker 3: Finally, I mean when we spoke earlier, earlier, you were
- 7:34Speaker 3: going to roll the dice on something pre cancerous rather
- 7:39Speaker 3: than endure the slings and arrows of of Tarlo.
- 7:44Speaker 2: Yeah, but you said this to me this morning and
- 7:47Speaker 2: it stuck with me. You said everything is pre cancerous. Everything,
- 7:51Speaker 2: diet coke, you know, a big mac, everything you eat
- 7:55Speaker 2: everything you drink. The sun is dangerous, the wind is dangerous,
- 7:59Speaker 2: the air is day dangerous. Everything's dangerous for us. You know,
- 8:02Speaker 2: you gotta look, I've lived my life. I've had a
- 8:05Speaker 2: good run. I mean, somebody literally texted Mike, you're definitely dying.
- 8:14Speaker 2: The eminem extra was a short lived experience. Thank you,
- 8:19Speaker 2: Thank you for encouraging me. All right, can we start?
- 8:23Speaker 2: And the thing I wanted to find out from the
- 8:25Speaker 2: audience today, and the reason that the phones mattered to me,
- 8:28Speaker 2: is because I don't know how invested our audiences are
- 8:32Speaker 2: in the redistricting war. Do you think they're into this
- 8:36Speaker 2: or is that more of an in the Weeds talk
- 8:38Speaker 2: show host obsessed topic.
- 8:40Speaker 3: It is that the the ven diagram is there's us
- 8:44Speaker 3: and we're plugged in deep at the other end of
- 8:47Speaker 3: the spectrum, where people who are just trying to get
- 8:49Speaker 3: to work and don't care that much about redistricting. But
- 8:51Speaker 3: in the middle are the politically astute, sort of the
- 8:55Speaker 3: political junkie end of the listening audience who are very
- 8:59Speaker 3: interested in this because they know, because we've told them
- 9:02Speaker 3: ten thousand times, that the mid terms mean everything. So
- 9:05Speaker 3: every little development that might advantage us or disadvantage us
- 9:09Speaker 3: is indeed a big deal.
- 9:10Speaker 2: Have you interviewed Hans von Spakowsky.
- 9:13Speaker 3: I have, And I'll tell you who does apparently weekly
- 9:16Speaker 3: is our Salem buddy Larry O'Connor, who does the early
- 9:19Speaker 3: early early morning show before yours on the Salem Radio Network.
- 9:22Speaker 3: He has them on every Monday or something. He's written
- 9:25Speaker 3: a couple of really good books about election integrity, how
- 9:28Speaker 3: voting works or doesn't or should and so he's awesome.
- 9:32Speaker 3: I love him.
- 9:32Speaker 2: I got to share with you what he said to
- 9:34Speaker 2: Robert Costa yesterday on CBS Sunday Morning. Now, CBS Sunday
- 9:38Speaker 2: Morning for me is appointment viewing. I love that show.
- 9:41Speaker 2: Jane Pauley is the host. She's carrying on the tradition
- 9:44Speaker 2: that was set by Charles lt. Kerralt and then eventually
- 9:49Speaker 2: Charles osgood And it's a great show. It's just and
- 9:53Speaker 2: they do some great features they did. I told you
- 9:55Speaker 2: about the feature they did on comedian actor Martin Short.
- 10:00Speaker 2: They did a big piece on the demise of CBS
- 10:02Speaker 2: News Radio because of things like this podcast where people
- 10:06Speaker 2: are now subscribing and learn getting information in a variety
- 10:09Speaker 2: of different ways other than just you know, typical radio.
- 10:13Speaker 2: You know, even though people are still consuming radio, the
- 10:16Speaker 2: podcast space and social media and x and Facebook and
- 10:20Speaker 2: Instagram and TikTok and all that has changing the way
- 10:22Speaker 2: people consume news. But they also did a report on redistricting.
- 10:26Speaker 2: Now it was fairly it was a little slanted, but
- 10:29Speaker 2: I got to give Robert Costa credit. He did interview
- 10:32Speaker 2: Hans von Spakowski, and I want to play this exchange
- 10:35Speaker 2: for you. You're going to love this because I described
- 10:37Speaker 2: it to you earlier today. But Robert Costa wanted to know,
- 10:42Speaker 2: if you can't carve up congressional districts based on race,
- 10:47Speaker 2: how will black politicians ever get elected? Check out what
- 10:51Speaker 2: Hans von Spokowsky said to an incredulous Robert Costa. No, no, no,
- 11:01Speaker 2: not that, not that one wrong, wrong clip. That's what
- 11:04Speaker 2: I love about. That's what I love about. Pods look
- 11:07Speaker 2: like seems to look a lot like LBJ. Yes, that
- 11:09Speaker 2: looks like LBJ. This is actually cut number ten. Yes,
- 11:12Speaker 2: let's start Cut ten over again from the very beginning,
- 11:15Speaker 2: because this is such a good exchange. This is Robert
- 11:18Speaker 2: Costa saying, well, wait a minute, if you don't have
- 11:21Speaker 2: any you know, black made up black districts. How will
- 11:25Speaker 2: black politicians get elected? Here's cut number ten from Robert
- 11:29Speaker 2: Costa and CBS Sunday Morning yesterday.
- 11:32Speaker 5: What happens if a consequence of this decision is fewer
- 11:36Speaker 5: black members of Congress.
- 11:38Speaker 6: Well, if they want to get someone elected, it look,
- 11:44Speaker 6: if they affiliate with the Republican Party, black candidates will
- 11:49Speaker 6: get elected. We've seen.
- 11:50Speaker 2: So they have to become a Republican in some of
- 11:52Speaker 2: these red states to have a chance of winning.
- 11:55Speaker 6: The point of our Constitution and the Voting Rights Act
- 11:59Speaker 6: is that everyone is guaranteed an equal opportunity to vote.
- 12:04Speaker 6: They are not guaranteed success.
- 12:08Speaker 2: Like Hans, I love that answer, Go Hans. I mean, hey, yeah,
- 12:13Speaker 2: vote Republican. But see but Mark, to a Lefty, to
- 12:18Speaker 2: a progressive, a black Republican is like a unicorn. They don't.
- 12:23Speaker 2: There's no existence for a black Republican. That's the mindset.
- 12:27Speaker 2: I mean, look at how they completely marginalized Clarence Thomas
- 12:30Speaker 2: on the Supreme Court, and this is what they do
- 12:33Speaker 2: over and over again. So it's clearly about race to them.
- 12:38Speaker 2: Yet it's unconstitutional. Yet it's illegal. That's the problem.
- 12:43Speaker 3: I mean, Pice, thank you. The thing you find is proving, proving,
- 12:52Speaker 3: and this is good news, This really is good news
- 12:54Speaker 3: that race just doesn't matter anymore because black folk generally
- 13:01Speaker 3: love Bill Clinton and have no use for Clarence Thomas,
- 13:05Speaker 3: Alan West, Thomas sole Byron Donalds, et cetera, et cetera.
- 13:09Speaker 3: The pigment and the plumbing don't It don't matter anymore.
- 13:12Speaker 3: Race and sex don't matter anymore. Every time Democrats talk about, hey,
- 13:16Speaker 3: let's elect more women, let's elect more women. Absolutely, Sarah
- 13:20Speaker 3: Huckabee Sanders, Nancy Mays, Sarah Palin, I mean they no,
- 13:25Speaker 3: not women like that. We mean women, they mean liberal women,
- 13:28Speaker 3: they mean liberal black people. Proving that politics are what matter,
- 13:32Speaker 3: race and sex not so much, which is good.
- 13:35Speaker 2: It just fascinates me how they get away with it,
- 13:38Speaker 2: and they've gotten away with it for too long. And
- 13:40Speaker 2: that's the problem. The jig is up now. People are
- 13:44Speaker 2: saying like you said, like you said, and I love
- 13:46Speaker 2: the way you always describe it, the pigment and the plumbing.
- 13:50Speaker 2: It doesn't matter anymore. Get the best person for the job.
- 13:53Speaker 2: But the fact And this is what I keep coming
- 13:55Speaker 2: back to on the issue of redistricting. And I asked
- 13:58Speaker 2: this over and over and over again, of my leftist
- 14:01Speaker 2: audience members, is it legal or illegal to redistrict based
- 14:06Speaker 2: on race? And the answer is very clear. So mark,
- 14:10Speaker 2: play play democrat for a minute. What do they try
- 14:13Speaker 2: to argue? I mean, in fact, before you do that,
- 14:16Speaker 2: let me play. Let's play Corey Booker. This is Corey Booker. Spartacus.
- 14:20Speaker 2: Spartacus is Spartacus, is fired up Spartacus. Yesterday on Meet
- 14:26Speaker 2: the press laid it out this way. This is astounding.
- 14:32Speaker 5: So, first of all, this court is profoundly hypocritical. They
- 14:36Speaker 5: said we can do you can use race in immigration stops.
- 14:40Speaker 5: So this is not about race. This is about stripping
- 14:44Speaker 5: political power from millions of people. And obviously this decision
- 14:49Speaker 5: would result and they knew this. In stripping political power
- 14:52Speaker 5: and representation from African Americans, the Voting Rights Act was
- 14:57Speaker 5: perhaps one of the most important acts in the history
- 15:00Speaker 5: of our country and securing our democratic ideals. All are
- 15:04Speaker 5: created equal, all are imbued with certain unalienable rights. And
- 15:08Speaker 5: what they have done right now is sent us backwards
- 15:11Speaker 5: in time, back to the eighteen seventy, eighteen seventies and
- 15:15Speaker 5: eighties with the South and Southern legislators through terrorism, intimidation,
- 15:20Speaker 5: and worse, we're able to stop African Americans from having
- 15:23Speaker 5: representation in Congress. This is wrong. It's his wrong ast
- 15:27Speaker 5: Plessing versus Ferguson. It's as wrong as Courmatsu And I'm
- 15:31Speaker 5: telling you right now this will go down as history
- 15:33Speaker 5: as one of the most wrongheaded decisions the Supreme Court
- 15:36Speaker 5: has ever made and effectively undercut our democrat mark democracy.
- 15:43Speaker 2: Well, yeah, he was one sentence away from saying Republicans
- 15:46Speaker 2: want to bring slavery back, and you know he was
- 15:49Speaker 2: thinking about it. You know he was thinking about it.
- 15:51Speaker 3: And I guarantee chains back in chains, so you.
- 15:53Speaker 2: Are going to put you all back in change. I mean,
- 15:56Speaker 2: this is the lunus sheet. Now. Of course Christian Welker
- 15:59Speaker 2: did and dare say, well, wait a minute, senator, is
- 16:02Speaker 2: it legal and constitutional to carve up a congressional district
- 16:06Speaker 2: based on race or isn't it? Why won't they answer it?
- 16:09Speaker 5: Now?
- 16:09Speaker 2: Look, nobody wants to deprive black Americans from voting. Of course,
- 16:14Speaker 2: who's saying that? No?
- 16:16Speaker 3: I mean it's the ultimate straw man. The ultimate straw
- 16:18Speaker 3: man to hold a debate against someone who is not
- 16:20Speaker 3: standing there a fictitious straw man. And just listen to
- 16:23Speaker 3: the fascinating word choice. It says, this is designed to
- 16:25Speaker 3: make sure that black people aren't elected, to make sure
- 16:27Speaker 3: that you know, black people don't get there. You can
- 16:30Speaker 3: elect all the Republican black people you want in the
- 16:33Speaker 3: Republican states, and the converse is always going to be
- 16:36Speaker 3: true in your California, you're New England, states, you're Illinois.
- 16:40Speaker 3: It's not going to matter what color those people are either,
- 16:43Speaker 3: because the Liberals are going to win in the liberal states.
- 16:47Speaker 3: The Conservatives are going to win in the conservative states.
- 16:50Speaker 3: And you are I think we mentioned this, but you
- 16:52Speaker 3: are joining us this morning from actual South Carolina. Finish
- 16:56Speaker 3: what you were doing, and then I have a South
- 16:57Speaker 3: Carolina question for you.
- 16:58Speaker 2: If you were not done, well, what I was going
- 17:00Speaker 2: to ask you was give the Democrats point of view
- 17:04Speaker 2: that says, you know that we're going back to Jim Crow.
- 17:08Speaker 2: I mean, what, give me a logical maybe try to
- 17:10Speaker 2: take the emotion out of it, but give me a
- 17:12Speaker 2: liberal argument for this aggressive jerrymanderin the Democrats have perfected
- 17:19Speaker 2: over the years. Look at Illinois, I look at New England,
- 17:22Speaker 2: Look at all these states that have been carved up
- 17:24Speaker 2: to give a disproportionate representation to democrats. But what would
- 17:28Speaker 2: they say in a rational way, not like Spartacus, But
- 17:32Speaker 2: what would a Democrat say to defend jerrymandering?
- 17:36Speaker 3: You keep attaching these these modifiers to it. What would
- 17:40Speaker 3: they say logically? What would they say rationally? There is
- 17:43Speaker 3: no logical rationality attached to it, because what they would
- 17:47Speaker 3: say is we deserve equality of representation, and that representation
- 17:54Speaker 3: is racial as well as political. It is so that
- 17:58Speaker 3: they don't they would far rather have They talk about
- 18:02Speaker 3: wanting black representation, but they'd rather have a white liberal
- 18:05Speaker 3: than a black conservative. So even in their own lexicon,
- 18:08Speaker 3: it has nothing to do with race. They yearn for
- 18:15Speaker 3: when I say yearn for a return to the fifties
- 18:17Speaker 3: and sixties, not literally with colored water fountains and stuff
- 18:20Speaker 3: like that. But they are behaving and fighting as if
- 18:23Speaker 3: it is still the fifties and the sixties, and as
- 18:25Speaker 3: if a Democrat party is still needed to rescue us
- 18:29Speaker 3: from real racial inequality in society, when that battle has
- 18:34Speaker 3: been won for decades. Somebody said this, They said, if
- 18:37Speaker 3: you are fifty, you have your in your lifetime. There's
- 18:43Speaker 3: been virtually no systemic racism, virtually, I mean, what systemic
- 18:49Speaker 3: racism has there been if you were born, and if
- 18:52Speaker 3: you were born in nineteen seventy six, it ain't the sixties,
- 18:56Speaker 3: it ain't the fifties, it ain't the forties. And with
- 18:59Speaker 3: those battles having been largely won, it's like the need
- 19:03Speaker 3: for that kind of racially motivated Democrat party has gone
- 19:07Speaker 3: the way of the dinosaur, and they got to figure
- 19:09Speaker 3: out new material, and good luck with that.
- 19:12Speaker 2: I have a friend who's married to a black person.
- 19:15Speaker 2: It's known this person for many years. A white person
- 19:19Speaker 2: married to a black person, and my white friend and
- 19:25Speaker 2: probably not particularly conservative, but I don't really get into
- 19:28Speaker 2: politics with this person very much. Not a Trump fan,
- 19:33Speaker 2: probably not a conservative. But this person maintains that what
- 19:38Speaker 2: the Supreme Court has just done is going to make
- 19:42Speaker 2: their spouse feel unsafe going into a restaurant to eat dinner,
- 19:48Speaker 2: and said that to me on the phone, said that
- 19:51Speaker 2: the Voting Rights Act allows this person's spouse to be
- 19:56Speaker 2: able to live freely and be able to go into
- 20:00Speaker 2: a restaurant where this person wants to go have a meal,
- 20:04Speaker 2: and that this decision by the Supreme Court set that
- 20:08Speaker 2: effort back one hundred years now, that this person's spouse
- 20:13Speaker 2: is going to be fearful about whether or not they're
- 20:16Speaker 2: going to be able to go to a restaurant to
- 20:17Speaker 2: get a meal. Now, Mark, how do you say to
- 20:21Speaker 2: a friend like that, who I pray isn't watching or
- 20:24Speaker 2: listening right now because I don't want to hurt this
- 20:26Speaker 2: person's feelings. But how do you How can you say,
- 20:29Speaker 2: with love and grace and kindness, you are out of
- 20:35Speaker 2: your mind? How do you do that?
- 20:38Speaker 3: Mark?
- 20:40Speaker 2: You've you've stepped off the curb, your elevator has stopped
- 20:43Speaker 2: going to the top floor.
- 20:44Speaker 3: Just got to lovingly say, look, I know this is
- 20:47Speaker 3: the visceral emotional reaction that you have, but just go
- 20:51Speaker 3: out there and live life. Do you think for a
- 20:53Speaker 3: minute that your bride is no is going to have
- 20:55Speaker 3: to go into the theater by another door, is not
- 20:58Speaker 3: going to be allowed to vote? Is it can't sit
- 21:01Speaker 3: at the lunch counter. We're back in South Carolina again.
- 21:05Speaker 3: It's just it's simply not true all these things. And ultimately,
- 21:09Speaker 3: and you have brought us back to the truth that
- 21:12Speaker 3: these recent court rulings have revealed, and that is that
- 21:14Speaker 3: the very need for the Voting Rights Act has run
- 21:18Speaker 3: its course, just as the very need for affirmative action
- 21:21Speaker 3: has run its course, and since those things you're true,
- 21:24Speaker 3: and we really have found ourselves arriving at doctor King's dream,
- 21:28Speaker 3: which was what do we remember his words, judging people
- 21:31Speaker 3: not by the color of their skin, but by the
- 21:33Speaker 3: content of their character. That since we are arriving there
- 21:37Speaker 3: getting closer to it every day, once again Democrats have
- 21:40Speaker 3: to find new material and get off the race baiting
- 21:44Speaker 3: and see if they have better ideas than we do
- 21:46Speaker 3: on borders, on crime, on gender, on the economy, on
- 21:50Speaker 3: the environment. And since they don't, it's the kind of
- 21:53Speaker 3: thing that makes me kind of feel a little bit
- 21:56Speaker 3: buoyed and a little bit confident about the mid About
- 21:59Speaker 3: the midterm, dare.
- 22:00Speaker 2: I suggest, well, it gives me a glimmer of hope.
- 22:04Speaker 2: Now I just saw some polling that says, now, by
- 22:06Speaker 2: the way, I'm having some fun looking at our YouTube channel, because,
- 22:10Speaker 2: like I said, I got nervous that we were a
- 22:11Speaker 2: little bit late getting started today. So the first couple
- 22:14Speaker 2: of days that we did YouTube live, we had twenty
- 22:17Speaker 2: thirty forty people watching live. Now we've got like one
- 22:21Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen, one hundred and twenty people watching. That
- 22:24Speaker 2: number is going to grow, and their comments did you
- 22:26Speaker 2: know there's a live chat on our YouTube page.
- 22:29Speaker 3: Lord, I know, listen, I'm overloading just looking at the
- 22:33Speaker 3: text line. So is the.
- 22:36Speaker 2: Hey guys watching from Joshua, Texas. Here's Mike's video resolution
- 22:44Speaker 2: is good, Mark is a little pixelated.
- 22:46Speaker 3: So I love that kind of feedback. But then you
- 22:47Speaker 3: have to understand, there's the way you look in real life.
- 22:49Speaker 3: If we're sitting at Starbucks, I look this way.
- 22:51Speaker 2: It's Michael writes, looking good, gentlemen. And then here's a
- 22:56Speaker 2: comment which I think is worth diving into. Heith says, guys,
- 23:00Speaker 2: please talk about the Save Act and its status. And
- 23:03Speaker 2: I like to do a little bit of a Save
- 23:05Speaker 2: Act update because but but because, let me tell you something.
- 23:08Speaker 2: There's a battle between the establishment and the and the
- 23:12Speaker 2: MAGA Republicans there is, and that showdown I think might
- 23:16Speaker 2: be rearing its ugly head here in my beloved South Carolina.
- 23:20Speaker 2: Because you were mentioning you wanted to talk about an
- 23:22Speaker 2: update from South Carolina here, because there's a lot going
- 23:25Speaker 2: on in the Palmetto State, and the narrative is the
- 23:29Speaker 2: establishment folks do not want to advance with the redistricting
- 23:33Speaker 2: in South Carolina. It's going to be expensive. This is
- 23:36Speaker 2: this is the way the narrative goes. It's going to
- 23:38Speaker 2: cost a lot of money. You got to delay primary,
- 23:41Speaker 2: the primary, You've got to do a whole lot of
- 23:44Speaker 2: heavy lifting, and the jews isn't worth the squeeze. Well,
- 23:48Speaker 2: Pamela Evatt, who's the lieutenant governor, and she's right now
- 23:50Speaker 2: leading in the polling to be South Carolina's next governor.
- 23:55Speaker 2: She's in a boisterous, intense campaign with about thirty other
- 23:59Speaker 2: people run for governor, and one of.
- 24:01Speaker 3: Them's Nancy Mace. That's right, because that was my question.
- 24:05Speaker 3: Is and not that a member of Congress is automatically
- 24:08Speaker 3: a five times bigger deal. But she certainly has more
- 24:10Speaker 3: name recognition, I would think, But go ahead, go ahead.
- 24:13Speaker 2: She does. But she's polarizing in a big way here
- 24:15Speaker 2: in South Carolina. I'm not sure that that that the
- 24:19Speaker 2: dog the dogs like the dog food when it comes
- 24:22Speaker 2: to Nancy, I don't mean that like that probably bad analogy,
- 24:25Speaker 2: you know what I mean, dogs terrible, But but she's
- 24:29Speaker 2: either really on or she's kind of off. I mean,
- 24:31Speaker 2: there's something about Nancy Mace's He's a quacula. She's a quirky,
- 24:36Speaker 2: eccentric lady. But nonetheless, Pamela Ever told me that today
- 24:40Speaker 2: on the show, we should be doing everything possible to
- 24:44Speaker 2: advance the redistricting effort here in South Carolina. But you've
- 24:47Speaker 2: got a Senate majority leader named what's his name, Joey.
- 24:52Speaker 2: What's the guy's name, Joey, that's the Senate majority leader
- 24:54Speaker 2: in South Carolina, Shane Massey. And Shane Massey is apparently
- 25:00Speaker 2: going to be the wet blanket on these efforts, saying enough,
- 25:04Speaker 2: it's too much to do, it's going to be too expensive,
- 25:08Speaker 2: and there's a counter narrative it could backfire and net
- 25:12Speaker 2: Democrats two or three additional seats, which Pamela Ever told
- 25:15Speaker 2: me is a distraction that she said, that's a total
- 25:18Speaker 2: bogus narrative. They're just contact Are people scare attactic? Yeah?
- 25:22Speaker 2: So I don't know. I mean, I just I think
- 25:25Speaker 2: every red state that can do it needs to do it.
- 25:28Speaker 3: Why not exactly because again, and as we mentioned earlier
- 25:32Speaker 3: on the radio, he says, well, Texas started this. The
- 25:35Speaker 3: heck we did. Texas was a response to New England
- 25:38Speaker 3: six states with zero Republicans, Illinois fourteen to three, in
- 25:44Speaker 3: California fifty something to another near single digit. So Texas
- 25:49Speaker 3: was an attempt to restore balance. Democrats have been smearing
- 25:54Speaker 3: us in the redistricting battles for years, and this is
- 25:56Speaker 3: an attempt to claw back some of that.
- 25:59Speaker 2: Right. No, now I'm getting obsessed with the live comments
- 26:02Speaker 2: on the YouTube channel.
- 26:04Speaker 5: He go.
- 26:04Speaker 2: So here's Jeffrey Squirrel, a squirrel watching from Greenville, South Carolina.
- 26:09Speaker 2: Please stop bragging on us, Mike, lol. And you know why,
- 26:12Speaker 2: every time I brag on South Carolina, people get mad
- 26:14Speaker 2: because they don't want people moving in here. They don't
- 26:16Speaker 2: want more Yankees clogging the highways. Here's John, thanks for
- 26:19Speaker 2: looking at the live chat, Mike, and here's Dabies more.
- 26:23Speaker 2: I'm listening on the road in DFW. So that's pretty cool.
- 26:26Speaker 3: So that's nice. I like much appreciate it.
- 26:28Speaker 2: I like being overloaded by text messages by King And
- 26:32Speaker 2: look at that. We're up to one hundred and twenty seven.
- 26:34Speaker 2: We're we're we're building, We're building. So anyway, where else
- 26:39Speaker 2: do we go? Here? On a breaking news Monday, have
- 26:42Speaker 2: you followed the story about that the Washington Post covered?
- 26:45Speaker 2: I think I mentioned to you today on eminem Experience.
- 26:48Speaker 2: There's a new trend among young progressive influencers. Somebody has
- 26:53Speaker 2: to do it. Somebody has to kill Trump. They don't
- 26:56Speaker 2: come out and say kill Trump, but they but they,
- 26:58Speaker 2: But it's like a wink in a nudge, you know
- 27:00Speaker 2: what they mean. Somebody's got to do it. Mark, Why
- 27:04Speaker 2: is the why? How have we gotten to a place
- 27:08Speaker 2: now where this kind of of of of political violence,
- 27:13Speaker 2: murdering your political opponent has gone mainstream. It's here, It's real.
- 27:18Speaker 3: It's it's a maturity issue. It's a social media poison issue.
- 27:23Speaker 3: It is a give everybody a soapbox issue. By the way,
- 27:26Speaker 3: giving everybody a soapbox is good, like giving everybody a voice,
- 27:30Speaker 3: giving everybody accessibility in the grand arena of debate is
- 27:36Speaker 3: on its merit and in principle, a lovely thing. But
- 27:39Speaker 3: I think what it has shown us is that there's
- 27:42Speaker 3: a certain percentage of people who are idiots. There's a
- 27:45Speaker 3: certain percentage of people who just don't have the wherewithal
- 27:48Speaker 3: to enter into that kind of arena of public debate
- 27:51Speaker 3: and act right. So we've got a bunch of jackwagons,
- 27:53Speaker 3: a bunch of idiot kids, a bunch of idiot adults,
- 27:57Speaker 3: and with fuses that are short that they don't have
- 28:02Speaker 3: the intellectual heft to get out there and just have
- 28:05Speaker 3: it out in terms of issues and still grant goodwill
- 28:09Speaker 3: and still behave in the way that we like to
- 28:12Speaker 3: think people used to behave. And it's always an occasion
- 28:16Speaker 3: to ask the question that rears its head every time
- 28:18Speaker 3: something like this comes up. Is this worse than fifty
- 28:21Speaker 3: years ago? Or did social media just show us how
- 28:25Speaker 3: bad it's always been?
- 28:26Speaker 2: What do you think? The answer to that is, because
- 28:28Speaker 2: I got to believe it's way worse.
- 28:30Speaker 3: I think it's worse. I think there was more of
- 28:33Speaker 3: it than we used to think. There just wasn't social
- 28:35Speaker 3: media to show everybody where all the lunatics were. But
- 28:39Speaker 3: there is something about the easy availability of a bullhorn
- 28:43Speaker 3: and an online bullhorn that will bring out of people
- 28:48Speaker 3: some of their worst behavior.
- 28:50Speaker 2: Well, and some of that some of these people are,
- 28:52Speaker 2: I think, being held accountable. Yasmen just put up the
- 28:56Speaker 2: b roll of the teacher from Frisco who posted the
- 29:01Speaker 2: meme showing Abraham Lincoln shot in the head and he
- 29:04Speaker 2: was crying out according to the meme, if only I
- 29:07Speaker 2: had a ballroom. Have you heard what happened to that teacher?
- 29:10Speaker 2: Because she was she was identifying I know, what what
- 29:14Speaker 2: did she?
- 29:15Speaker 3: What happened?
- 29:16Speaker 2: Well, this is she posted this meme on her Instagram,
- 29:20Speaker 2: and she was identified, and she was revealed, and there
- 29:23Speaker 2: was a lot of pressure. As the last I saw,
- 29:25Speaker 2: she scrubbed all of her social media and the Frisco
- 29:29Speaker 2: Independent School District actually removed her description from their official
- 29:34Speaker 2: website as if she was either suspended or possibly fired.
- 29:39Speaker 2: I mean, how do you how do you put a
- 29:41Speaker 2: teacher in a classroom? What parent is going to feel
- 29:44Speaker 2: comfortable with a teacher that exercises that kind of lack
- 29:48Speaker 2: of judgment, that kind of unhinged behavior.
- 29:52Speaker 3: Since you can't since you can't let things like that go,
- 29:55Speaker 3: you can't just go eh, you know. And and it's
- 29:58Speaker 3: definitely not First Amendment. It is absolutely not a free
- 30:01Speaker 3: speech issue. You do not have the right to express that.
- 30:05Speaker 3: I mean, freedom of speech means you're not going to
- 30:08Speaker 3: be jailed by the government for doing it right. It
- 30:10Speaker 3: doesn't mean you're going to keep your job. If you
- 30:11Speaker 3: bring enormous negative attention to your school, district, your sports team,
- 30:16Speaker 3: your accounting firm, your construction company publicly, then they can
- 30:20Speaker 3: certainly fire your take action against you. I always want
- 30:24Speaker 3: to show grace up to a point. Is this a
- 30:26Speaker 3: strong letter in the file. Is it a weak suspension?
- 30:29Speaker 3: Is it a reprimand? Or it's weird because in a
- 30:32Speaker 3: way that the cruelty of the of the cartoon is
- 30:36Speaker 3: one thing, but the sheer stupidity necessary to post it
- 30:41Speaker 3: is a far broader thing. To me, here's somebody who's
- 30:44Speaker 3: teaching our children, who has wisdom that is excuse me,
- 30:47Speaker 3: who has judgment that is that bent? That's scary, That's
- 30:51Speaker 3: that's crazy.
- 30:52Speaker 2: Well, let's talk a little bit about grace and how
- 30:55Speaker 2: we either show it or withhold it. I'm having a
- 30:58Speaker 2: hard time showing grace to anybody who's bagging on. Erica Kirk,
- 31:02Speaker 2: the young widow of Charlie Kirk. Did you see that
- 31:04Speaker 2: she was the commencement speaker at Hillsdale College over the weekend?
- 31:08Speaker 3: Sure it did, and she was magnificent.
- 31:10Speaker 2: Well, let's take a listen to a little here's a
- 31:12Speaker 2: little bit of it. And she is now of course
- 31:14Speaker 2: running Turning Point USA after her husband was assassinated. September
- 31:18Speaker 2: the tenth of last year in Utah. Here was young
- 31:21Speaker 2: Erica Kirk at the graduation ceremony. She was the commencement
- 31:27Speaker 2: speaker at Hillsdale's recent commencement ceremony over the weekend.
- 31:31Speaker 4: We have the right to property and the freedom to
- 31:33Speaker 4: speak and serve God, Defend and preserve it for your children,
- 31:39Speaker 4: and pursue learning your whole life. It's important read great books,
- 31:46Speaker 4: challenge yourself, build and maintain deep friendships. The world you
- 31:51Speaker 4: are entering will not always affirm what you know to
- 31:53Speaker 4: be true. In many ways, it will challenge it, it'll
- 31:58Speaker 4: distort it, and at times it will oppose it.
- 32:03Speaker 2: That's good.
- 32:04Speaker 4: Challenge is a good thing.
- 32:06Speaker 2: You know. You talk about carrying on a legacy because
- 32:09Speaker 2: I hear Charlie's voice. I hear Charlie's words in her voice,
- 32:13Speaker 2: and I spend enough time with Charlie, both on and
- 32:15Speaker 2: off stage, to know that those are all things he
- 32:17Speaker 2: believed in to his core.
- 32:20Speaker 3: Do you believe that he? I said, it's not that
- 32:23Speaker 3: it has to be binary one thing or the other.
- 32:25Speaker 3: But when history records as best it can, why he
- 32:29Speaker 3: took a bullet. Some of it's political, to be sure,
- 32:33Speaker 3: But I don't know if a less devout political figure
- 32:40Speaker 3: would have had to have been killed by this sick
- 32:42Speaker 3: movement that came after him. I think that The thing
- 32:45Speaker 3: that drove that shooter was not just fear of Conservatism,
- 32:50Speaker 3: but fear of Jesus. Fear of because going up against Republicans,
- 32:54Speaker 3: going up against conservatives, that's a debate. You know, we
- 32:56Speaker 3: got our ideas, you got yours. When you go up
- 32:59Speaker 3: against God, when you go up against the Bible, you
- 33:01Speaker 3: go up against Jesus. The words that Jesus taught, the word,
- 33:05Speaker 3: the lessons, the truths that God tells about what's expected
- 33:09Speaker 3: of men, what's expected of women, what's expected of all
- 33:12Speaker 3: of us, how many genders there are, how to lead
- 33:15Speaker 3: a righteous life, how to lead a family. When you
- 33:20Speaker 3: go up against that, it has got to be daunting.
- 33:22Speaker 3: And when you have someone who is as forceful a
- 33:25Speaker 3: figure and as forceful of voice as Charlie, I think
- 33:32Speaker 3: he died for his faith as much as for his politics.
- 33:35Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk never appeared anywhere without loudly and boldly proclaiming
- 33:42Speaker 2: his faith. Ye, and he was an Actually I've done
- 33:46Speaker 2: a deep dive on some of his scriptural conversations. This kid,
- 33:51Speaker 2: and I call him a kid because I've got socks
- 33:53Speaker 2: older than Charlie and Erica. And it still shatters me
- 33:57Speaker 2: to think that I can't still kick it over charles assassination.
- 34:01Speaker 2: But he could go in and debate scripture and cite
- 34:05Speaker 2: chapter and verse Old Testament, New Testament. He believed, in fact,
- 34:10Speaker 2: so much in observing the Sabbath that he actually observed
- 34:13Speaker 2: as a Christian. He observed the Sabbath on Saturdays. He
- 34:17Speaker 2: turned everything. I mean, he turned that. And I don't
- 34:20Speaker 2: think that he followed the Orthodox Jewish tradition of turning
- 34:24Speaker 2: off and not using any electric.
- 34:26Speaker 3: Collect can't get on an elevator or stuff like that.
- 34:29Speaker 2: No, but he did turn his phone off. He did
- 34:31Speaker 2: say there was no phone on the Sabbath.
- 34:33Speaker 3: And I loved that thing.
- 34:36Speaker 2: That's a really good thing. And yet I think you're
- 34:39Speaker 2: so right that the closest example I could give to
- 34:42Speaker 2: prove you right is what happened to Mike Lindell, the
- 34:45Speaker 2: founder of my pillow. Mike became public enemy number one.
- 34:50Speaker 2: And he will maintain this. He'll tell you this, not
- 34:52Speaker 2: over his support for President Trump or eventual friendship of Trump,
- 34:57Speaker 2: not a politics, not as even not even his belief
- 34:59Speaker 2: in all election integrity. And Mike got in all kinds
- 35:02Speaker 2: of hot water over you know, debating about you know,
- 35:05Speaker 2: the machines and all that with the election. He said,
- 35:08Speaker 2: where it started to hit me full force is when
- 35:12Speaker 2: I was in the Rose Garden announcing that we were
- 35:15Speaker 2: going to donate a bunch of personal protective equipment to
- 35:18Speaker 2: first responders during COVID, and he said, I decided to
- 35:22Speaker 2: go off script and I had libbed. I felt a
- 35:26Speaker 2: need to say to this audience that was watching me
- 35:29Speaker 2: at the Rose Garden, maybe it's time to crack open
- 35:32Speaker 2: your holy Bible. Maybe it's time to read the Bible,
- 35:36Speaker 2: go back to prayer, go back to faith, go back
- 35:38Speaker 2: to your Bible. And I think we need a spiritual
- 35:42Speaker 2: revival in America. Mark Mike Lindell will swear to you
- 35:48Speaker 2: that was the moment that they turned on him. The
- 35:51Speaker 2: mob came after him for that. It wasn't for anything else,
- 35:56Speaker 2: which proves your point that Charlie Kirk was probably assassinated
- 36:00Speaker 2: and as much for his faith and his Christian beliefs
- 36:03Speaker 2: as anything else he represented.
- 36:05Speaker 3: And that probably shows how vital it is, how dangerous
- 36:09Speaker 3: it is, and I mean that in a good way,
- 36:11Speaker 3: and the message of Christ, the message of the Bible,
- 36:14Speaker 3: it is danger It is dangerous to those who would
- 36:17Speaker 3: try to offer evil as good. It is dangerous to
- 36:20Speaker 3: those who would try to paint wrong as right. It
- 36:23Speaker 3: is dangerous to those who would try to paint things
- 36:27Speaker 3: in all kinds of twisted ways. So that's why we
- 36:30Speaker 3: walk into the fray. That's why we do these things.
- 36:33Speaker 3: That's why there are things worth fighting for, and that's.
- 36:37Speaker 2: Why we do the M and M extra every single day.
- 36:41Speaker 2: I think that's a good, good way to call it
- 36:43Speaker 2: a rap for a Monday.
- 36:44Speaker 3: It's good to me.
- 36:45Speaker 2: I appreciate. We'll see you again tomorrow. Thank you, Mark, love.
- 36:48Speaker 3: You, thank you, everybody. Love you.